Why Love and Deepspace is FAILING

Love and Deepspace is one of the most immersive Otome mobile games but why is this incredibly new and innovative gacha game failing?
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[@user-fv8sl3qp1c]

Just look at the revenue Infold makes every month, I don't think this game is failing...

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Perhaps I should have clarified in my video... It's still doing very well in China but on a global scale the revenue, while it's still massive, has been declining since launch. There seems to be a reason why that is and that's what I wanted to point out in my video. Hopefully with the new patch coming out we'll see another spike in revenue but for some reason player retention on a global scale is dying out.

[@mysterycharm03]

it gets very confusing chapter by chapter

[@sarahpegurie6090]

I don’t think they are falling since they have a monthly income very high ! They created a all bunch of new things and a new character - All I see is people getting more and more excited 🎉

[@Mani-ep1xr]

This backfired so hard lol look at how much it's blowing up now with Sylus coming soon 😭

[@bayleesoto455]

ikr lol sylus caused everyone to re-download and stuff. but I been a loyal player since jan. I love this gameee

[@yany4n]

While this game is so slow paced towards F2Ps it isn't dying at all. It made 27 million in revenue last month. They're introducing a new love interest and will release a new chapter by mid July and hes hot ngl

[@user-kv2mg5qn6p]

But that's in China, globally they don't do so well.

[@keweplz]

Honestly I just like tge general experience of the game, as a f2p player I just watch screen recordings of the 5 star memories thatI want to experience. I enjoy kitty cards, photobooth and honestly the grind is entertaining for me 🤷🏽‍♀️ I can see how these points can be off putting, but I think it just depends on the kind of player you are

[@milmil5350]

Same. I do dailies and experience story. I get awesome cards eventually. I have several of them now and I'm extremely casual. And whatever I don't have, I just watch on youtube. ❤

[@dian277]

i need them to update the main story, i don't care what else they are or are not doing.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

I 100% Agree. We'll know when after the Livestream!

[@azuryz]

This don't aged well lol

[@Vampirella2999]

I totally agree with what you've said. I'm a Dolphin player and have been playing since around global debut, and the way they announce banners compared to Tears of Themis (another otome gacha game I play made by Hoyoverse) is so badly implemented. Their reaction to the Sylus leaks was a bit...overreactive. Instead, if they were smart, they should've used the leaks as a way to advertise the game, saying that it was Sylus who did the leaks (play with your audience, go meta). They also never announce the new banners in the in-game mailbox (unlike Tears of Themis). I mean, PaperGames are no amateur, they develop Mr. Love Queen's Choice right? But, the way they've gone about things is pretty amateur. My main source of info for the game is the L&DS subreddit because their Twitter and Facebook are kind of behind on a lot of things. The Diamond accumulation is severely lacking. The Senior Hunters Contest is not a good way to go about it because, even I as a player since almost Day 1, can't even get all the stars in it because you have to overpower your cards not only in levels but in Protocores. You have N shars, R shards, SR, shards and on top of that 2 Protocores you have to level up. It's so much grinding. And they have never offered the Golden Bottles, not even at Level 9 Heartbreaker. It's ridiculous! And they continue to do sporadic Double Up resource days but rarely do they ever do it. It's like the game is punishing you just because you're enjoying it. Also the Senior Hunter Contest updates only 2 times a month unlike with Tears of Themis in which every week you get like 400 S-Chips for the Trials. Another thing sometimes that you didn't cover is that sometimes they have special codes and it's rarely advertised on their social media sites. More often then not I have to go to the subreddit to even know a special code even exist. I'm a Zayne main player, I only pull and upgrade his cards, but Sylus is looking to be my second main guy. I can't imagine now how I'm going to divide my Diamonds with these two men. And now with that Quadruple banner they announced in August (I think it's called the Silken Ball or whatever). It's going to be excruciatingly tough.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

I love how indepth you were with this comment! I would have LOVED if they played it like Sylus released the leaks. That would have been so good smh. Although I don't believe they really know what they're doing with this game in general. Meaning that they made the game unsure of it's success and now they're pretty overwhelmed by the demanding player base. Especially since we're used to the marketing of other major gacha games. Their whole approach to marketing really needs a revamp tbh. Tho I can see they are trying harder with all the teasers and what not for Sylus. It just depends on whether or not they maintain that streak for the future.

[@sj224]

Omg you're so right! When I was reading the Twitter update about the Sylus leak, I genuinely thought that's what they were going for till I got to the end of it. I feel like the opportunity was right there.

[@Kia_li]

Game feels very grindy with limited energy too little reward and event that provides time limited gatcha currency it's not good for your mental health and is very predatory You should only play this when main story arrives as ftp or low spender like me it's too hard have fun and enjoy the game and they just keep giving event's with little to no garnteed dimonds it lacks endgame It's just p2w game for busy adults for sure.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Which is why its amazing that they announced the Abyssal Chaos! I'm hoping it solves the diamond shortage in the long run. But I go over it some more in my most recent video if you want to check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/foSQoGRmdtVpqNk

[@martianlightsaber]

I suspect the game resources are calibrated to make it a comfortable experience for Aurum pass players, which may not necessarily be a bad business strategy (as one myself I haven’t felt frustrated by the pacing of diamond collection and still get a decent number of 5* despite needing to hit pity every time). At ~US$5/mth, barrier to entry is really low and this is affordable even for students. So to maintain their $30M monthly revenue, they only need 6M active Aurum players at worst, but actually less because there are whales who spend thousands. That’s sort of a trivial player base target to hit in a market like China. The weibo activity talking about the game is also quite healthy. So mostly it just feels like papergames isn’t putting effort into global, which is frustrating as a global player but I don’t think it hurts their bottomline that much.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

I actually agree with you but if the point of creating a branch company like Infold Games was to reach global audience then they should take care of that market. So in terms of that, I think its fair to say that Infold's goal isn't being reached to its fullest extent and they should find ways to fix that.

[@Shhutup_ew]

I just feel that it kinda waste when not everyone can get the memories and items devs work so hard on bcs of this and the in app purchases are of quite high amount with no good returns tbh. When devs are doing such a good job, they should make it easier for all of us to achieve and appreciate their work. M i wrong?

[@Shhutup_ew]

One more thing, I don't mind the purchase if it's within budget it Just that return is pretty cheap like only 2 cards and no gems for 110 and so on

[@seraphoftheend5768]

The Aurum Pass and Battle pass are value for money. I just joined 3 months ago and I've collected almost every card of Rafayel (I missed one of his card but that's because I caved and pulled for Zayne). Even some of Xavier's card. And most of my pulls are on hard pity. There's also the $0.49 packs and the 0.99 packs. So I don't feel like it's as expensive as you said.

[@Shhutup_ew]

Here It's 1650 and 520 INR, that's 19.72 $. I don't know why there's this much of a difference 😢 If it was as much as you said then I would have purchased everytime.

[@seraphoftheend5768]

@@Shhutup_ew I think you misunderstood. The 50 cent and 1 dollar are for the cheap limited tickets packs. Not for the Aurum pass and Promise pass. Your country's pricing seems on par with other countries. Aurum pass and Promise pass should costs >$20 together.

[@micropia8070]

tbh i agree but i dont want it to fail

[@katsuki_bestgirl]

I think it’s an amazing game it’s just really hard to be a f2p but I’ll just watch ppls screen recordings of the memories I want to experience online bc let’s be real I don’t give a crap about the battle aspect

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hahahaha that's such a smart thing to do! But I feel like I'm watching someone else's Zayne not "MY" Zayne smh I'm a weirdo hahaha

[@katsuki_bestgirl]

@@Gacha_Goblin i totally get that haha it’s a bit weird since it’s not my name so I still try to get the memories for myself

[@paolabaeza9901]

I totally agree with you. Hopefully they make it easier to get diamonds. I will like to keep playing the game but it is getting to be too much the longer you play. By too much I mean expensive

[@DanhNguyen-fv8nf]

Hello. I am a boy and have a desire to learn about games and players' habits. Your video gave me a glimpse into this otome game genre. Thank you very much.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hey there! No problem at all. But this video doesn't fully portray the pros of the game. If you want you can check out my other videos like kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJypdJaLfqmbpKs where I talk about all the upcoming changes to the game! or kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIjOoH-Yjcinors Things I wish I knew before playing LADS :D

[@sillyhermy]

I play for free since the launch and unlike other games I’m not frustrated at all. I love the combat. It’s so easy to me. You don’t have to be the recommended level to beat the monsters. I don’t get all the cards but that doesn’t bother me because my brain knows how gacha work. I simply save up for what I want and I usually get it because of hard pity. Games like these becomes stressful when you want to collect everything.

[@kendracyphert2949]

1) I think comparing this game to Honki, Genshin or Wuthering (As someone who has played all of these games) is like comparing apples and oranges. I can understand comparing it to Tears of Themis considering both Tears and Love focus mainly on Love interests instead of combat like Genshin or Honkai. 2) Yes leaks are going to happen but the production team needs to be able to trust all of there artists and developers enough that leaks won’t happen. For a leak to occur someone on the team with the knowledge has to be the one to leak it. There aren’t random people hacking there servers and stealing the data (At least not that I know of.) 3) Also the fact that this is still a newer game and they have to figure out how best to do everything with the team they have and the players they have. How long was it before genshin even gave us the pity system? 4) The 10 days and the free cards with the events. Even getting 160 free primos for one pull in genshin is like pulling teeth. And almost every other event in Love gives you around 2 free memories. Even with the newest update with Sylus. I assume they are giving us a free card of his so we can make the choice on if we’d even like to pursue him as a love interest. 5) I think I covered everything I wanted to but lastly. I dislike how there was not a single positive in this video I understand with the title that you are going to focus on the negatives but a game also needs to know what’s it’s doing right as well as wrong to get the best feedback and make the best updates. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk. 🙇🏼‍♀️💋❤️

[@seraphoftheend5768]

Yeah, she's calculating the amount of stamina it takes to awaken a 5 star without taking into account that events and dailies also provides EXP and ascension materials. I've just leveled up the recent Rafayel Floral Promise card to level 80, though I haven't awaken it yet. I pulled that card less than 2 weeks ago. You definitely don't need 3 months to awaken one 5 star card lol. I started playing since mid April. I already awakened 4 of cards. In 3 more days I will have my 5th awakened 5* card.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hey there! You left some really good points and I appreciate the time you took to type all that out and watch my entire video 😊 The main reason why I compare it to all the other bigger gacha games is because they're already fully fleshed out and still growing. Yes, they have a different concept in their game direction (combat vs. otome based) but I think that outside of battle mechanics, stamina systems and resource grind shouldn't be as grueling as it is in LADS. I took the ideas from Genshin, WW and Honkai because they already know how to, more or less, balance out their leveling system for characters. I'm not suggesting LADS copy it to the T but to derive their own form that's bet suited to their game that won't make their players suffer. I didn't compare it to Themis because... well that game is pretty much nonexistent in relevancy. Would I still play it? Yes of course why not? More pretty anime men to look at lmao And it's garnered it's own cult following. But the fact of the matter is, if it was a hit game then why is the revenue and player base so small? Next question is, as a game developer or business inclined person... should they model their own game to be like a smaller game or the best games in the gacha space? Yes, it's theme is along the lines of LADS but its not even as successful as LADS in its current state. Meaning there's something LADS is doing much much better than Themis already so why compare? If Themis ever did any better and surpassed LADS in revenue and player base then that's when someone should consider looking to that game as a baseline. My thinking is if you want to see a game excel then aim higher than where you're currently at. Besides, I have a feeling LADS was modelled after ToT to some degree anyway. Also you're right, in some cases leaks occur because of their team not respecting confidentiality but because it wasn't explicitly announced that it was due to their own company's lack of integrity in their workers, its also possible that people are data mining or getting their info in other ways. But none of that information was confirmed or denied. We're probably not going to find out how the leaks happened anyway but not using the leaks as a way to market the game instead of hard balling it feels futile. They could have seen it as an opportunity and not as a manhunt. I realize that this is a company that stepped into the gacha space in a bigger way than any of their other games and the attention they got for LADS probably shook them. It's still in their first year and I'm hopeful for them to improve their game. I just think they could do well if they implemented player feedback and do more market & product research for fixes to their current systems. But alas, we shall see if anything improves with the updates in 2.0. As for stating the positives of this game, I would have but the video would have been like 30 - 40 mins long lmao no one would watch that hahaha! It's just going into another video of mine down the road. But thank you again for your feedback. Much like any game developer, I'll become a better youtuber with more feedback from the community. I appreciate your comment a bunch. I just wanted to give some context on my own mindset when making this video. Feel free to comment on any video I have, you're insight is always welcome! oh... and I hope you're enjoying the new 2.0 patch!

[@Gacha_Goblin]

@@seraphoftheend5768 Then you my friend are quite versed in how to allocate your resources. Yes, I calculated what players would need without events since calculating resources from events isn't consistent nor can I predict the future hahaha! But hey... if you know if every event has consistent drops then please do share that info here or on the reddit! I'm sure we'd all love to know more tips to upgrade our memories quicker. Especially since you got your 5* up to level 80 in just two weeks and awakened 4 of your cards!

[@seraphoftheend5768]

@@Gacha_Goblin I'm a small dolphin but even without the Aurum Pass and Promise pass it doesn't take 3 months to upgrade a 5* single card. You can use stamina drinks especially during a double drop event. Redeem the ascension materials crates from every event. An F2P player should be able to fully rank up and awaken a single 5 star card in less than 1 month. Especially during a triple banner or a myth companion banner. I'm not nitpicking on your calculations. I didn't even need to scrutinize the video to see if it's just a purely stamina based calculation. When you said it takes 3 months worth of grinding every day just to gather resources for a single memory, I immediately knew. Because there's no other way it would have taken that long otherwise. Again, it's not the calculations that's the issue. It's the delivery. Some viewers might take your calculations at face value and assume it actually takes that long to level up a 5 star. It's highly misleading. It's also unfair to Papergames. They might be stingy but they're not sadistic.

[@TryingYourrLuck]

what a lovely voice and great INFORMATIVE video. i dont believe the game is dying, especially after Sylus's drop (holy.. who cant blame people for redownloading after seeing him) but i do agree.. the GRIND has fatigued and ive lost SO much interest.. i do my daily logins but.. i stopped doing contests and trials because i can only focus on Rafayel and not the other boys bcuz theyre not my mains. i love this game, i love how much they gift to us when they do but youre on point about how much of a tedious task it is to grind for diamonds and 5 stars.. ive spent my fair share of money on this game too.. sigh. i want to stay hopeful that eventually they will make diamonds a little easier to obtain. or that maybe they will introduce a GOOD login reward system for us loyal everydaygrinder of the game 😂 we can only dream i suppose!

[@Gacha_Goblin]

This was such a LOVELY comment! Thank you, you beautiful human being lmao! But yeahh that's the main point I wanted to present that the grind is too much for so little... BUT HEY! with the Abyssal Chaos coming.... I'm hopingggg It helps with the diamond grind! More of my thoughts on my reaction to the livestream here tho if you wanna check it out~ kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJypdJaLfqmbpKs Thanks again!

[@TryingYourrLuck]

@@Gacha_Goblin beat you to it! i just finished watching that video. i gotta say, youre really good at this for a fresh new channel! ill always keep an eye out for your videos! i love how deep and informative you are! i feel you speak for a lot of us love and deepspace hardcore gamers/lovers. i have so many opinions and never really look at their reddit and its nice to see and hear others point of views, esp when the vids are this pleasing to watch! :D

[@Gacha_Goblin]

@@TryingYourrLuck hahaha! You're really kind. Thank you so much! I created this channel in hopes to gather like minded individuals for this game and many more to come. I plan to cover HRS, WW and ZZZ sometime in the future as well so please stay tuned!

[@fioreolivares1638]

Yeah, I don't even bother spending for the "special" memories with the pity system. Ever since they cheated me on my pity wish one time, I just ignore it. Grinding in the game to get resources for pulls is feeling tedious and not very fun. I'll usually go for the free login cards but that's about it.

[@ZakiaSultana-rm1ti]

The video was great. You gave excellent points. I felt the same way with everything you mentioned. :D

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hey thanks! I really do appreciate it!

[@gyl116.]

I Totally agree with you and I really hate the probability of limited memories not a problem to those who can afford to top up just to get it, but for f2p and light spenders it really hurts it took 70 pulls to get one if lucky and sometimes in that pull we can only get not limited 5 star memories. 70 x 150 is so hard to loot. and all you mentioned I really can relate esp when your hard earn diamonds fail to get the limited memories then other limited memories is coming its so frustrating that you exhaust all diamonds and loots resources. your only choice is to top up and if you can't top up. its recommended to quit coz you already miss the strong cards and exhausted your resources 😅

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Yeah it really is frustrating and they're not keeping their players around because of it. Sure they're getting influx of new players and returning players for Sylus but long term, I don't know if they can sustain a growth with how frustrating the game can be on a daily basis. But I'll have to reanalyze with all the changes coming with this new patch on July 15th and make a future and updated video on it.

[@diekid13]

that basically were all my reasons for dropping L&DS(( great video

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Thank you!

[@geekerellauwu]

totally agree with your points - all of them need to be taken into consideration by the dev team if they want this game to have a long lasting enjoyment with its players! also kinda wishing for it on pc but i've finally figured out how to use an emulator w/ controller and it has been a total game changer for combat!

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hahaha! Thank you! I really do want this game to flourish so just starting the ball rolling on getting a community who agrees and wants helpful changes is one of the main reasons why I started my channel. And you're right! This game should be PC compatible as well. I'll have to add that to a future video! Thanks :D

[@Jay_Sunghoon_Jake]

I really don't think its failing....

[@milmil5350]

I'm f2p. 🙋‍♀️ I only do dailies and events. I'm extremely casual. Been playing since launch and I never made it past ch 2. Playing like this has gotten me a nice collection of limited 5 stars (and I was taken to hard pity most of the time). I understand that the number of gems you get looks small and therefore feels like you get nothing. When I first started playing, I got worried about this. 😊 But I stuck with the game since its launch and realized that doing your dailies and participating in events adds up a lot I get a guaranteed limited once every 2 to 3 rotations. So, for example, if the upcoming banners are: Xavier 1st banner, Zayne 2nd banner, Rafayel 3rd banner... If I get taken to full hard pity and failed in pulling Xavier in the 1st banner, I get Rafayel guaranteed in the 3rd banner. I do feel like it'd be nice for the game to be more generous with resources for those who are way more invested in playing the actual game and clearing content than I am (I just do story, events, and dailies, and I've been mostly stalling the story part -- still in ch. 2). But I dunno if the situation is that bad. I know that for obtaining pull currency, it feels bad to not get the cards you want when you want them. But patience and consistency will get you a lot over time. My biggest complaints with the game would be stamina and the inability to skip cutscenes you've already seen when playing the crane game. I have limited time and the crane game cutscenes get in the way when Ive seen it for the 100th time. Other than that, the overalll F2P game experience is really not as bad as it may seem at first. And for limited cards that you miss, that's what youtube is for. 😆👍 The LAD community is very supportive on youtube. They get the cutscenes (in every language) up on youtube very quickly. You will not be able to get every single card. But 1 every 3 banners (as in, you get the 3rd one after skipping 2 (possibly 3, but I' think it's 2)) is pretty good for only committing to dailies and events alone as an F2P. And the dailies are really quick to get through too. I also agree that it sucks that the marketing for Love and Deepspace is in the gutter rn. 😢 The game would be way bigger (especially in global) if they marketed the game more. I also wanna see more LAD CCs and communities. Everyone feels sorta scattered all over the place and I'd like to be hyped and excited for the new content with my fellow LAD sisters from all over the world. We don't really have a solid space or network of CCs the same way that HSR and Wuthering Waves does. And it makes it difficult to create that space when LAD doesn’t market itself enough to garner big attention and keep themselves relevant globally. I do like how they are experimental with their events and are trying new things to figure out what works and what doesn’t. More mini games like what you suggested would also be a really nice addition to the game. Overall, I think your video is great. ❤ 😊 And I'm thankful that you're speaking up about your experience and concerns with the game. We need more of that so the game can continue to improve. It would be nice to have more currency for the banners, but in it's current state, for F2Ps who are pretty lazy like I am, dailies and events will get you a stable pool of limited cards over time. And for everything else, there is youtube. So I hope people don't feel too discouraged to play the game and experience all the fun events, story, features, etc. just because they're afraid of how many limiteds they'll get. Out of the total pool of limited cards that have been released since the game's launch, you will have a good chunk of them as F2P. Just do your dailies and events. And watch the cards you don't get on youtube. Initial perception of the game is important though. And if the currency given really does feel too small (which I agree it does), the devs need to find a way to reassure new players to stick with the game and that it'll be worth it. And for combat, using whatever cards you manage to get will work well enough to get by. You'll be fine. I just really hope they improve the stamina system. That's my biggest gripe with the game. But not big enough to prevent me from enjoying my experience with LAD overall as a casual F2P. 😊❤ *EDIT :* I almost forgot! The roadmaps! Yes, we should be getting a road map of some sort that can generate discussion among the community and give us something to look forward to. Something to strive for and be excited about. LAD devs can't deny that the Sylus leak brought more attention to their game even outside of the fanbase. Whether it's through leaks or road maps, they should pick their poison and find a way to give players the next big thing to look forward to. They need to use these techniques to generate more long-term hype for their games.

[@violetthamoon]

Hi I want to ask, if we don't get the limited 5s in that wish event then, if the other limited wish event does it carry the guaranteed, get the other limited 5s event since it change? I mean I'm scared bc someone said that the guarantee does not carry for each limited event?

[@blackrose81Gr]

I had 1 and then 2 accounts as a light payer. Then...I stuck and did create a f2p 3rd account. In a few words, I have 5 accounts (OMG!) Now, only the one I do pay for promise-Aurum pass and probably a light pack. The other 4 are f2p. Why so many, I can't get the banners, limited cards, etc. anymore so easily as before. Now I have 1-5 chance to get them. Even if 1 card is there and the second in another account. I do love the game, but I can't pay so much money there every month, cause there is the daily reality life with obligations and kinds of stuff to pay. I feel sometimes that my money that I spend on that game, isn't appreciated. This is why I have 5 accounts.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

SAME! Well I mean I only have 3 accounts but long before I even planned to make a youtube channel, I wanted all the memories so I made another account F2P then another F2P. And my original account so 1 on the Aurum pass & got the promise just for zayne's most recent memory. I mean it seems ridiculous to have multiple accounts but it really does help! BUT the question is why do people have to force themselves to get multiple accounts anywayyyy lack of resources! hahaha Thank you for the comment. It's nice to know people have multiple accounts too.

[@blackrose81Gr]

@@Gacha_Goblin Thank you for the response. Now I don't feel alone, I wish I had only one account because time is never enough but to have the chance to have the cards is the only way. Wish you the best with your KZbin video channel and can't wait for your new videos.

[@Rexxie07]

I've been commenting this issues in the comment section of their posts on X but I see people in general don't see that the game is getting more hard with the lack of diamonds and how the pity system works xd Even with the new update the Dias we get for the new stuff isn't enough for a 10 pull, rn I'm at level 80 and is hard to even get a card to level 80 too TT Hope people gets to realize the issue and the game see how hard is going to get in the future :( Thanks for putting out this video 🙌✨

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Yeah I see people have been complaining about the grind for a while now and it really is time for it to change before the game becomes 1 year old. Thank you for always letting your voice be heard. It's so important if we want to see this game grow

[@Rexxie07]

@@Gacha_Goblin If we keep getting this much of banners and the ways to get dias don't increase I'm afraid we are going to experience something similar to the problem in WHB 😔 Let's hope for the best and keep commenting on the issue 🙌

[@salinachurch9213]

I definitely think the game is failing. It was amazing in the beginning. Everyone was hyped up. Announcements were made. Encentives were expected. We were all so excited to play. We were invested. The game started and we had never seen anything like it. We got to actually interact with the guys. Something different was out there. We fell in love with each one of them. And then the inevitable..... the process of getting the gems. The story ended. Nothing more is sight. We waited. And leveled up. And waited. And leveled up. And surprise no warning......a banner and 2 weeks to fulfill the objectives and very little time to do it. No gems to get the memories we need because surprise the 5 stars only drop at the very end of the 200 wishes. I love this game but I don't think I'll be able to play much longer. Like all games they do not care about people who cannot afford to pay even though we were the ones who beta tested the game. Like all games the people who hold the money are the ones they want. Be warned! You will not get far in this game without throwing down some serious cash. I really hate saying goodbye to this game. It has alot of potential.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Well I'm sorry that you're leaving the game. I really hope that Infold makes the game better over the course of these upcoming months. Maybe then you can join again

[@zorion-leviakant]

I agree with everything. Precisely because of those problems I stopped playing for two months. Now I want to play again, but I'm already feeling frustrated again by the limited f2p options. It's a shame, but I have to play sporadically to avoid getting burned out.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Yeah I get where you're coming from. Being F2P in this game is really hard if you want to level up all your memories and enjoy the stories of all the guys. There aren't enough F2P options to satisfy both the spenders and the nonspenders in this game.

[@Missharuchan]

I have start playing only the last 2 months and I start getting bored 🤣 but the last program makes me excited they are getting better right? 😍 💕

[@Gacha_Goblin]

YES! 100%! I actually just uploaded my reaction to the livestream yesterday! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJypdJaLfqmbpKssi=WfNfNsHVbyaPp0vx

[@chloeg2112]

I agree with you! Most of the stuff you put in the video are stuff I wrote in the survey (I practically wrote essays on that thing-). Especially regarding the marketing aspect I'm a generally busy person so I agree that the resource farming is veryyy grindy. But the way I go abt playing this game is to modify my mindset. Like, if there is a card I like, I will use what I got to pull for it but if I don't get it, I'll just tell myself I can watch it on yt to not get upset. Ik the experience is different from actually getting to play the story yourself but I'm pretty content with knowing what happens so I don't worry much about missing out on cards. Now, you might start to think what's the point of me even playing if I just watch them on yt. I actually also really enjoy the combat in this game. And I also like playing while being underleveled. It just feels very satisfying XD There are lot of strategies you can apply to help you clear a level while being underleveled by 20 levels. And if I can't clear a level, I just take a break and try agin with a new strat if I have time. And if I'm too busy, I just do my dailies which take less than 2 minutes to do. Asides from that, there are a lot of other fun stuff to do that keep me entertained. I find the game enjoyable because of this mindset but I get that there are lots of people who don’t share the same one as me. And as a person who genuinely enjoys this game, I really want it to succeed in the long run. I have seen many people leave the fandom because of the problems you mentioned so I really hope they work on it to keep the game alive. Especially regarding the marketing. It would be so helpful if they announce banners weeks in advance so you'll know whether you want to save or spend. It also helps the company by boosting the hype. If they announce banners in advance, they get hype from the initial release. On top of that, they get additional hype from the actual release of the banner. So it's a win-win situation. Just look at the positive feedback from the early Sulys announcement. The hype has not dued yet and it will only increase once he is actually released. I think I'll be playing this game for a long tine cuz I love seeing the progression of the main story and the MC's relationship with the LIs. I love how it's not purely fan service and that they really put thought into the writing of many cards. I have seen the most romantic stories and interactions in this game which got me blushing and my heart racing! (Especially the 4 star cards, they're underrated) Side note but I kinda hope they give the cards a timeline guide since some cards are connected to each other and show the relationship development of mc (like fragment of time + spring letter and rainbow strokes + before sunrise). I also really enjoy the combat. So i sincerely hope we'll get these improvements in the future!! Also, ty for this video!! I really liked your insights and explanations!! 🫶

[@Onnlen]

I don’t think you knew what was up prior to the update that released. This game has stayed popular. Stayed at the top of the charts. Good job.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

@@Onnlen aww thank you for the support 🥰

[@lavonosa]

Nice Video, Love this game and I have been wanting to make a similar video especially about the resources, Diamonds and Leaks. I doubt they will make these needed changes cause they are making money. 😑 I personally disagree with more mini events, I play 8-10 gacha game and like that LaDs is not to stressful on that aspect. Its one of the reasons am slowly dropping genshin (Main reason is LACK OF QOL especially after Wuwa) If they added more stuff like SU, PF, FH in HSR that permanent and on rotation then it would be nice or if they we as generous as Brown Dust 2. Also Making the free 10 pulls not limited with banners since don't want to build my pity. Lets not forget that Hard pity is 140 pulls and 50/50 DOES NOT CARRY OVER!!! people always forget or confuse this guaranteed doesn't carry over, if you extremely unlucky you can loss on every banner. ( its obviously a 1% or less chance but its not impossible)

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Extremely good points made here. Thank you btw for liking my video :D I agree and I would actually like more permanent rotating end game forms so the addition of the Abyssal Chaos is nice. Though I recommended the mini games just because they've previously done those for the events that it might just be easier for them to implement. But not as a mandatory aspect game to play but on a rotation like mini events. Although that's just my thoughts really hahaha

[@teeyasmith9563]

Omg I pretty much agreed with everything you said in this video. The main reasons the game is failing is definitely due to the horrible grind system for diamonds and the resources. Especially if you aren't a big money spender. And I think for me the worst part about this game is how ridiculously hard the battles get once you reach a certain level, and the limited 5 star events. I stopped doing the deepspace trials completely because it just gets way too hard trying to level up all three boys at once. I've been playing this game since January and none of them are anywhere close to level 70 to 80 yet. The game is starting to become dull and a bit boring to me now, and I find myself slowly losing interest in playing it. Don't even get me started on the 5* star events. My jaw dropped to the floor when I read that the percentage of earning a limited 5* memory is like 1% then gradually increases to 10% the more you keep pulling. That means you basically have to spend money if you really want the memory that badly. It kinda makes it pointless and makes me not want to even try tbh. I love this game so much but boy does it get really tiring and annoying after a while. I don't think the pulling system for the limited 5* memories are fair at all and it sucks that they disappear forever. I really do hope it changes pretty soon. But with that being said, I am kind of excited for Sylus and the new update on july 15th, so hopefully things will get better.💙💙💙💙💙🙏🏽

[@earthmixxing]

pretty much all of this is supposed to change in the update on Monday along with the release of Sylus They're adding Abyssal Chaos as an additional way to grind for diamonds. I think there's also supposed to be a side story in there you can also get diamonds from and they're supposed to be implementing a system for when there are multiple 5* on one banner that lets you select which 5* to increase the pull rate with so hopefully we get the results we are hoping for in the new update As for the leveling issue you're experiencing, if you focus on just one or two guys rather than trying to level all 3 guys at the same time you'll find it a lot easier to get past lvl 70, every time I see a similar comment to this its almost always from people who are trying to level all 3 at once, which makes it far more challenging especially if you are F2P. I too have been playing since release and have almost all of my Rafayel cards at lvl 80 now and have him at affinity lvl 95 because he's my main focus while I have most of Xavier's stuff around lvl 65 as my secondary which I'm planning to change once Sylus comes out. It might also be beneficial to decide who you want you're first main focus to be on as they are going to start main story branches for individual love interests soon

[@teeyasmith9563]

The resources and the stamina you earn in the game are way too low if you didn't buy the small packs they sell in the store. So even if I were to focus on 1 or 2 guys it's still difficult to level them up because the amount of crystals you need to ascend the memories is ridiculous. It takes weeks and sometimes months for me to get these things.

[@earthmixxing]

@@teeyasmith9563 I do understand the stamina dilemma, I usually take advantage of when they give us those in bulk during events to plan and save and check in about two or three times a day to pick up more before it gets topped off. They also put out new codes for materials every so often on their discord which can help. And idk if you heard yet but there are new redeemable codes for more diamonds and tickets for this upcoming drop, codes expire on the 20th if you haven’t picked them up yet: DEEPSPACE2 for 200 diamonds 200 stamina 20240715 for 10 tickets

[@teeyasmith9563]

@@earthmixxing Yes I have heard about the codes. I watched the livestream and redeemed them a few days ago actually. But thank u anyway :) 💖💖💖

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Thank you so much for your comment. It really highlights the main points I made in my video. I can see where you're coming from and after looking at other advice on other youtuber's accounts when I first started playing, their advice was to level everyone up because of the different stellactrum colors. But the more I played the more I saw that, that process wasn't sustainable at all. Now the majority of players online says to level up only 1 or 2 guys at most but with the addition of Sylus that's just going to be even more challenging. And not only did I already waste materials on all the gents but I have to farm for another one coming soon. It's just a lot to deal with rly. That's why I'm hoping the new additions in the game make it somewhat easier.

[@youlleatamuffinandlikeit4596]

Failing? Bitch where 😂 As a f2p player I don't really care about the money grubbing because they're never getting any from me. I do the dailies, play claw machine and/or kittycards when I feel like it, and upgrade cards when I can. I save my gems and wishes to spend only on what I want and don't cry if I lose the 50/50. There's more to life than gambling on virtual characters. And I don't care that content takes a while to come out because 3D stuff like this takes *way longer* than the fanbase seems to consider. Could the devs stand to maybe be a bit less stingy with the gems? Yes. Is it ruining the game? Hell no.

[@yuuki_rin87]

You have given excellent points about the game where it can be improved I do wish the grinding for level up the cards are much easier like thier other game called Mr Love Queen Choice (MLQC) while we still spend stamina there as well, now as for the pulls trust me deepspace pulls are much better compared to MLQC as that game doesn't have a guaranteed/percise wish five star on event banners be it solo banners or the equivelent triple banners, if you want your LI you will need 144 events items just to redeem for one card in MLQC, thought I do wish deepspace has the 48hours free pulls like they do in MLQC. However to me in my opinion deepspace pulls are much easier tbh and I have enjoy playing both games MLQC and LaDS.

[@yelnnea]

No way the f2p experience is worst than Tears of Themis : (( Makes me so sad. This game has so much potential

[@bunniewood]

Omg obsessed with this game. I’m not Asian so I’m glad this has introduced otome style gatcha games to the west.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

I know I'm so happy too! I've wanted to play other otome games that aren't gacha but localizations for those games are sometimes not even released from japan!

[@gigischuster3078]

It is definitely not failing I don't know where you're getting that idea with however many people are walking away from it who financially cannot afford to keep investing so much money just to move forward their character through so much stuff they're not making it easy for people who are financially burdens and cannot afford to do that so many like myself have to look at KZbin videos to see the stories play out because we just can't afford it. It's unfortunate like majority of the stuff from costumes to whatever you have to pay an arm and a leg for and then everyone can afford that so after certain points it's kind of like is it really worth moving forward and pay money to this game just to get things going and to accomplish stuff no it really isn't for some people well for others who can afford to I say go for it. However the game itself is not failing It's a Wonderful game I love the artwork I love the story plots I think it's going in a great direction and you know they need to get merchandise out for people who want to buy stuff from them instead of letting it see an eBay people creating knockoffs of what we see here in the animated virtual game and if they really want to step it up and bring in more Revenue do that because right now people are tired of waiting for merchandise to come out from the game that's legit and so people are going to eat in eBay to you know getting off of it and that's unfortunate. However as I said it's a wonderful game great music great characters wonderful story lines and everything though for some people we just cannot afford what they want us to spend just to move your character, and having to wait forever just to move it along because you can't afford to pay to move up the story it gets boring after a while because you're not able to move up and you can't afford to financially for the character. And so although there's some wonderful games in the App itself that we can play like kitty card games and some claw machine games and whatnot it's really hard to understand how to do certain things in the game like leveling up and all this other stuff it's like you have to go through everything to figure out what you do and how you do it and you know there's not much for me to learn from which is really difficult so I've had to go to KZbin to learn how to do certain things in the game and it's just gets exhausting for people like myself and then if they spend money to move forward because we don't because we don't want to be stuck waiting and waiting to move forward that's a problem. So although you know it was a great game I started playing it for quite a while it wasn't that I was bored and it wasn't that it was failing I just financially can afford to do what I needed to do to move it forward to make it really worth keep going so I'm sure others can you know so that's when many make myself look up to KZbin to see what the story lines are going to go through and whatnot because we can't afford to do it ourselves so it's great to see that people can and then share it with us so that we get to feel what it's like to be in the game itself playing it with the ability to spend the money even though we can't but it's through a different person showing us these routes and what's going on in the game for us and that these people even though we can't afford to play the game financially to move forward it keeps us interested in the stories in the game itself from the outside looking in so to speak by watching KZbin videos about the different story lines and whatnot

[@rachelgoetz3002]

I agree with a material converter or merger

[@pamanniegraves9522]

this is bullshit.you are so wrong...just dont know how to play.. i play free and i have no problem to play.. its just how you plan your moves.. easy peacy

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hey there! Wrong in what context? Can you please explain? Perhaps you are right!

[@xxxibdoughnut]

People are actually missing some main point of the video. Its not about how this video "aged well" after many new players came since Sylus, Its about how many people will eventually drop this game due to its grinding and how money hungry it is.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

@@xxxibdoughnut exactly my point! Couldn't have said it better myself 🙌👏

[@xxxibdoughnut]

@@Gacha_Goblin Im an average spender at games so thats why im a f2p player most of the time except at games where I think I spend hours on then thats where I make some sort of investment (like battlepasses or welkins in genshin in the past) I'm really not new at how the gacha system works and I really have no problem with grinding resources but I'm really having a hard time with LaDS which totally feels impossible to grind without not having to spend money ;;;u;;;;; I'm just a recent player and i've been trying hard racking my brain on how can I catch up with the past memories/banners that I missed + with Misty Invasion coming tomorrow. I'm having this some sort of itch to spend lots of money impulsively 😭 So I'm really thankful that your video suddenly popped up in my recommendations (Must have probably been a sign lol) After you showing those numbers, I think I'll take some time first to think before I invest with LaDS.

[@bluewolf2708]

It's not failing by any means. Are you serious? I play it everyday, and they really do get a lot of my money. The amount of stuff they have released in the few months that it has been released proves you wrong. Where did you even get this idea?

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hi there! What stuff have they released in the past few months? Also how long have you been playing? What's your highest level memory? I'd love to know to gather more information to make an improved deduction.

[@fioreolivares1638]

Because people like me think it sucks to have to spend a lot of money just to get a limited memory. I'll still occasionally play, but I'm not spending money and I only play it once a week just because it feels so tedious to even get anywhere. And it's a rip off like she mentioned where you have to get the two five star memories to get the new limited companion and the chance of getting both those memories is very low. Plus they really should let us get the old memories some other way after the events.

[@Arigs829]

​@@fioreolivares1638 Los eventos se repiten cada año😂😂 limitados

[@msshaunte7]

I’ve just kinda stop playing the game. Basically you’re just wasting money and it’s ridiculous

[@faithcdale]

This game is not failing. Look at the revenue for global with Sylus release.

[@flow8eraleutica]

The game is doing amazing in China when it comes to revenue. I think as you mentioned in the global part of the game. So maybe fix the title so you dont get hate.😅 Anyway. the reason I play its bc of ENG DUB. After they stopped it for their other game MLQC probably bc of revenue. When you an adult I dont want my brain to burden itself trying to translate the JP CN KR dubs into english which is not even my native language. My point is we are reading anyway but understanding what you hear is 300% more immersive. If they stop ENG DUB I will stop playing. Infold/Paper games NEED to promote the game on TV around Europe and America. Thats how you get pll to talk pll will hate on the game and its players 100% but it brings attention. Gaming is not that popular in other parts of the world like it is in Asia when it comes to women. Its just not marketed to us. OTOME is something majority of women dont know but in Asia they know what it is kinda. PROMOTION IS KEY. In China the game is everywhere abroad not really.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Hahaha yes I did mention the global aspect of the game is where my concerns are based for this video. Thank you for noticing! I want the global to do well so that we can continue to enjoy the game and still get rewards you know? That's my main point for this video really

[@quantumgirI]

Marketing is absolutely terrible. Them getting so upset over leaks was hilarious, like duh that's gonna happen. Just work as a company to keep up the hype. A playerbase can get more excited when they see leaks anyways, thus increasing interest in the game. Especially for a game I never even know what's going on in. I love the game and concept (and Xavier lol) but definitely agree there are many things the devs could improve on. The reality is, they probably won't since they are still doing well. But as a player, it's a shame to see where they could improve but not actually witness it.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

I 100% agree. Like I mentioned at the end of my video, I just want to openly discuss this topic on a centralized media platform just to stir the pot a little and have more people voice their opinions so that maybe the devs will notice and make some improvements. I have no delusion that we're going to get EVERY change we want but improvements nonetheless are still valid!

[@quantumgirI]

@@Gacha_Goblin and you are totally okay for having a lens of improvement! it's honestly nice that others can also see the higher potential this game has

[@lavonosa]

Right I love Leaks it kept me in alot of other games I thought I was going to drop. Also helps me manage what to pull for and budget.

[@Gacha_Goblin]

@@lavonosa same here! I feel like it does more good than bad for the community than the devs think it does. Either that or they step up their marketing

[@HorrifyinglyAbsurd]

Looking at global revenues now on global version 5 mill still a lot lmao Obviously people should never compare it to the likes of Hoyoverse game 💀

[@jennygracefully]

I love this game so much! The severe lack of marketing worries me so much. They need to be spend a large sum of the profits to be relevant in the minds of gacha gamers. And I agree, if they’re so upset over leaks, then tease us with drip marketing WEEKS in advance! That will get everyone to start talking about it more and bring new players!

[@Gacha_Goblin]

Comments like you're make me so happy that people resonate with my points and actually bother watching the whole thing hahaha! I really hope they keep up with the way they're doing marketing right now. Its been one thing after another! But time will tell if they can sustain that level of marketing for long term. Fingers Crossed!

[@kittypride7429]

Now I'm a different type of gamer. "Big Spend" doesn't mean much to me but I totally agree with everything in this video. I jumped on L&DS because I'm a huge otome fan! The grind for resources is a bit much (I grinde for Onmyoji & NU:Carnival which feel a bit less painful) and the "gaps" between events could be filled with gem-generated (something) that would keep all players happy. I only know about L&DS marketing because I joined their Discord server...I don't use FB and X (too sketchy and filled with crap now). I wish for this game to truly succeed and be around for another 5-10 years (I really love stalking Zayne) but I hope the developers take some of your suggestions to heart... most won't hurt (and dropping the marketing ball in this digital age is like having Sylus shoot you in the foot) .

[@faithcdale]

This game is not failing. Look at the revenue for global with Sylus release.