Why Make Slop?

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EJ Fox

EJ Fox

Күн бұрын

In which the author reflects on a conversation he had on Reddit, and encourages automators to set their sights a little higher than "it works".
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EJ Fox is a Hacker, Journalist, & Dataviz Specialist based in New York.
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@swampflux
@swampflux 2 күн бұрын
The first job I got out of college, my boss had me write a python script to automate validation of these online course packages. I did the job, whoopie it worked, and yeah a little bit of disruption to the workplace that had been doing these tasks manually, but ultimately a good thing bc validation was tedious. It solely served making a computer system happy with the files-take human out of that part of the work is actually pretty worthwhile. Later on we were working on a different task that looked tedious and i started writing a script to automate it right away. He stopped me and said “do it manually.” I asked why? He said “you need to do it yourself about 100 times before you understand how to automate something,” and I have stood by that mantra until today.
@rubenschaer960
@rubenschaer960 4 күн бұрын
I wonder, maybe there is an analog to "the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer" with generative AI tools: AI making smart people smarter, and dumb people dumber, i.e. the same tool can be used to learn and expand skills and understanding a person has by engaging with it consciously, or their skills and reasoning capacity can diminish because they are using the AI as a substitute for those things.
@EJFox
@EJFox 3 күн бұрын
Thats a really smart way of putting it, I think.
@PrincessKushana
@PrincessKushana 3 күн бұрын
I work in AI, I make ai things and use it a lot. I've never felt so pushed intellectually, which I am loving. But then hear about kids lacking the writing skill to write an email, just getting chatgpt to do it. I've always liked the Aristotelian virtue 'arete', the virtue of skilled expertise (in anything). being highly skilled has inherit moral value. Making slop is immoral (according to Aristotle). I think this kind of thing will increasingly matter.
@Chex_Mex
@Chex_Mex 3 күн бұрын
​​@@PrincessKushanamorals unfortunately don't have a built in profit incentive, otherwise I'd agree My concern is that what is profitable does not have to align with what is good. And companies go for what's profitable. It's why companies are so often not moral, not virtuous, and not efficient. It's a machine with a singular goal using short term heuristics to get there
@glyph6757
@glyph6757 2 күн бұрын
As AI's get better and better at doing things, there will be less incentive for humans to learn to do them, leading to a de-skilling of humans, to humans who get ever more dependent on machines.
@grygrygrygry5423
@grygrygrygry5423 2 күн бұрын
It's just another way of taking humans their freedom of decision in old days they could look for land they want to survive,farm and live on which led to cities and built then it slowly became about money BC ppl followed it and believed it gives stability and opportunity. As time went by we took their ability to own land then they ability to farm BC it was no longer profitable to do it then we put them in factories to make them earn as money for the things they will buy BC they thought of it as useful, helpful, fun to have or a good show of. When we gave them ability to learn we slowly took it too byq making their parents work overtime and haavong no time to teach their children a valuable lessons in life and control their growth for positive results and healthy thinking so we can teach them through institutions what we want and restraint their freedom of creative thinking by scoring it and not wanting. As the technology evolved we poisoned them with easy dopamine big amount of information they are to lazy or not able to confirm through making their lives more addiction to tools we created and control. Then we slowly started taking their ability to think by creating tools that do it for them making them useless and powerless without them BC they never learned they never thought or were curious enough to advance and evolve a and in that way we convinced them to trust us and give away their control of life for free now we rule them like a cattle and enjoy our boring life of politics and control. That was the story of civilization becoming few elites to one ruler controling all and whether we created a good healthy society or miserable one if for another debate of how to control ppl and give them happiness or endless misery of no option expect following the rules and life paths that were decided for them
@floating-brain
@floating-brain 4 күн бұрын
Automating something bad takes away all the reason a person, a real person, would do something bad: to learn through the process and absorb the experience of trying. Your analogy on being proud of making litter really stuck with me. There are no shortcuts to the human experience!
@peterbstout
@peterbstout 3 күн бұрын
Epic KZbin rec pull. What an incredible, well thought-out, well-spoken video. For not enjoying being on the camera, you're damn good at it. Thanks for sharing man. I also want to look back on my work as a human. It's stupid trippy seeing people wrestle with themes that are discussed in dystopian futuristic media - Stray, Cyberpunk, Blade Runner, iRobot, any media about AI. It's very surreal, the future is now
@EJFox
@EJFox 3 күн бұрын
I really appreciate the kind words! Thank you! 🌞
@tastymuffinmm
@tastymuffinmm Күн бұрын
The fact that this is on my recommended page means we can heal the algorithm.
@jmjanzen
@jmjanzen Күн бұрын
The algorithm will never be ours, though. It belongs to an ad company.
@ximono
@ximono Күн бұрын
@@jmjanzen *surveillance company
@vincentschulz9355
@vincentschulz9355 17 сағат бұрын
Yes and no. We can choose what we click on and engage on and ultimately that's the most important input for the algorithm of the big ad company
@ahmadradwan7429
@ahmadradwan7429 3 сағат бұрын
For me, I'm fine with fixing my own personal algorithm. That will place me in a spot where others have fixed their own.
@marcuscoburn1732
@marcuscoburn1732 2 күн бұрын
Not really sure why I clicked on this. You just have such a mellow and welcoming vibe. What a simultaneously low key yet high quality video. Instant sub.
@SmokeandSpirit
@SmokeandSpirit 4 күн бұрын
This is incredibly valid. There are plenty of people using AI to make their quality work better or faster. Though attempting to have an AI, at least currently do the whole thing, is Just that. It's slop. Why do so many do this? I don't understand why they think I should have any of this crap on my YT homepage or I should spend my focus on any of it. I have a finite amount of focus to dedicate in my life. It's too valuable to waste digging through trash.
@flor.7797
@flor.7797 4 күн бұрын
Thats a very nuanced take however it doesn't sound like OP would support this point of view
@EJFox
@EJFox 3 күн бұрын
I agree, and I think there’s a lot of “if it can do X now, imagine what it will be able to do in a year!” and its like, okay show me when you’re done?
@mebW
@mebW 3 сағат бұрын
Well said, I might have to come back to this video every once in a while
@CooperDraws
@CooperDraws 23 сағат бұрын
It's weird how AI made me finally value my drawing. You can just generate 5 pictures, and if you don't like them regenerate. You can get the computer to produce 100 versions. You can then ask it to create 100 versions of 100 versions. You can automate it to do it forever and just walk away from the computer. What's the point? Suddenly, toiling away at my desk for like 8 hours is worth it. A person has to show up and ignore all their self doubt to create something. I like to use AI art as "show and tell" only
@andreassanchez8127
@andreassanchez8127 4 күн бұрын
Man, this was such a sanity check. Thank you!
@claytonhotze3826
@claytonhotze3826 5 күн бұрын
Thank you, I in the last two or three weeks largely knocked out most of my social media accounts. The issue I am running into is not the miss of the dopamine hit of scrolling, but a being a creator (photography, coding, etc) and no longer seemingly having a platform. I think, I need to force myself to start getting in front a camera and finding a new audience and a new platform to focus on what I want while throwing an actual human in front of a camera.
@mazedmarky
@mazedmarky 4 күн бұрын
Howdy, you could get a different 'business' account (or even 2nd work phone) and only use it to post your actual content on social media and otherwise don't use the SM + take a more long-form approach like newsletters and actual webpages for your portfolio and related content. mostly to guide interested audience to what is actually important to you also, fk automated content :D
@memoria111
@memoria111 Күн бұрын
The same technology that is used to keep us addicted, can be used to free us from addiction. I've had success with modification. The computer must be redesigned around the principles of low dopaminergic activities. Stopped using the computer as a tool, but as a space that needs to be maintained through laws of code.
@DandyAnnieTime
@DandyAnnieTime Сағат бұрын
Art, philosophy, and even journaling are astounding ways of understanding ourselves and I argue necessary for building taste. The process of doing the art also engenders a high amount of empathy and appreciation in me. It heightens my experience of life and bringing joys to mundanities like setting up a camera or mixing a piece of music.
@sonophilos
@sonophilos 13 сағат бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to assemble and share these thoughts. I can feel the humanity in this work, and I think it is something you should be proud of.
@GriffinWiebel
@GriffinWiebel 3 күн бұрын
Made for a good toke session. Appreciate the thoughts. I am definitely enamored by the math and computational science behind AI, but we're using it for such trivial bullshit. We could be using that power for assistance in larger fields like medical research, but instead its used to help write a deprecated create-react-app or so your grandma can send you an awful emoji abomination.
@briancomforti3890
@briancomforti3890 Күн бұрын
Slop for the slop throne
@MeinCouch123
@MeinCouch123 Күн бұрын
They put out slop because there's a potential for money, that's it. The endless amounts of AI images showing up? The goal is to have you pay for their image generators. The endless amount of AI porn? The goal is to have you pay for commissions / access. The endless amount of KZbin Videos? The goal is to collect ad revenue. If there's a lot of slop it's because there is money to be made. They don't care about what it is they make, it need to be true, good or anything. If it even makes a single cent, they will keep the slop churning. As long as it can be monetized, it doesn't matter. An absolutely soulless kind of person. Advertisers and search companies need to audit their own content and re-evaluate how much ad-rev they're passing out. And lets not even get into how a lot of viewership is just botted.
@alexsheepherd
@alexsheepherd Күн бұрын
Extremely good video man, the part about "AI etiquette" really resonated with me. I recently got a text from a friend admitting that they were using an AI assistant to summarize my messages to them, and to me, that just seems really inconsiderate. It seems that many people have chosen convenience over understanding.
@MeinCouch123
@MeinCouch123 Күн бұрын
that is insane
@DandyAnnieTime
@DandyAnnieTime Сағат бұрын
Perfect morning stretching video. Bless up man, THIS kind of honesty is extremely important to me. Thank you for your thoughts.
@Skeldoor
@Skeldoor 5 сағат бұрын
"proud of making litter" is a great way to put it. I think as the integration of AI and tooling becomes better we'll see a rise in better quality content. Plugins like co-pilot but for more artistic tools are going to be increasingly common and I do hope this enables people to create cooler things easier rather than shitter things faster. This comment has been autogenerated by ChatGPT (that's a joke)
@Teodosin
@Teodosin 3 күн бұрын
Really good vibes man. Thanks for sharing your insights.
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
Thank you! Glad the good vibes made it through lol
@user-rh8fh4et8b
@user-rh8fh4et8b 3 күн бұрын
Well said. Thank you for sharing this.
@ancientburner
@ancientburner 3 күн бұрын
Facts
@deersuspicious
@deersuspicious 3 күн бұрын
I never click on random videos like this but something about it pulled me in.
@bananaear23
@bananaear23 3 күн бұрын
same
@panda-bean
@panda-bean 20 сағат бұрын
I think its good for everyone to learn (or at least know) how easy it is to automate slop. My first thought when I actually looked at 'tiktok AI video automation' was, "Holy fuck that was so easy, and I got stuck watching minecraft/subway surfer stitches this whole time..." Then perhaps we can all move on because slop is boring.
@5DNiq
@5DNiq 4 күн бұрын
Brilliant. Thanks for putting into a video the growing feeling that I have and haven't really expressed very well.
@6IGNITION9
@6IGNITION9 Күн бұрын
Re: type out code line by line I started doing this after an embarrassing incident where I realized I was staring right at a bug without seeing it. My eyes haf just glazed over. Typing out code forces me to "round-trip" it through my brain, i.e. to actually read it properly.
@ZabDeerum
@ZabDeerum Күн бұрын
Thank you for this perspective. Glad you're setting up your camera and talking. Keep up the good work!!
@techtransplant
@techtransplant 19 сағат бұрын
Man, I appreciate this very much. Nice work, sir.
@Karurosagu
@Karurosagu Сағат бұрын
The "what should I build crowd" + Chat GPT = The Slop
@mouseroot8053
@mouseroot8053 2 күн бұрын
This was fire from the heart bro.
@Maplaplaplapla
@Maplaplaplapla 7 сағат бұрын
My workplace has some AI enthusiasts. Some company had offered a sales pitch meeting for AI-powered SEO optimisation websites. I was invited as a "technical" person, but I think I would have more to say on the ethics of pumping out search result clogging garbage, and what that would do to our image. The meeting got cancelled, but I sure hope I make it if it happens.
@camali_ch
@camali_ch 4 күн бұрын
Damn, dude! These were killer words to listen to, and pretty much came right on time for me. I've been going through the rabbit hole of AI and automation lately. As I get closer to the point of releasing my own Slop into the Internet, there's an uneasy feeling. I try to ignore it - putting it under categories such as "Imposter Syndrome" and other labels We The Humans like to impose over our own Humanness, as if there was something inherently wrong with it - but the feeling remains. It goes deeper than that. Your words struck a chord. They compliment my recent realization: that no matter how much or how fast I might want any such end result, what truly matters is for me to fully go through the experience of getting there. As much as I welcome our future Robot Overlords, I agree with you on the importance of questioning the how's and the why's behind us wanting to integrate these technologies into our lives. The one argument against it I would mention is that making Slop is necessary part of the journey. Thanks for sharing!
@EJFox
@EJFox 3 күн бұрын
Thank you for the kind words, it really motivates me to keep doing stuff like this. Thank you for watching! 🌞
@freddycap2844
@freddycap2844 10 сағат бұрын
Valid take, with valid ideals and morals.
@nathanl2966
@nathanl2966 3 күн бұрын
People make slop because people consume slop. I say this as someone who always takes the slow, painful, manual path.
@grib3718
@grib3718 6 сағат бұрын
I think we are enjoyers of pain and struggle
@PeterNielson
@PeterNielson Сағат бұрын
The sad thing is so many of the people guilty of offsetting everything to AI will likely still argue that their single sentence query is some huge amount of input and is that humanity in the project, either out of laziness or because their past laziness and reliance on tools has left them incredibly and unknowingly resistant to access that more creative part of their brains anymore. So many friends have fallen for the trap and it’s like watching them actively become the Eloi, separating themselves from being able to actually “do” anymore.
@Grapenutgg
@Grapenutgg 3 күн бұрын
There's a lot of things that suck, and this didn't suck, great video dude
@adilmohdstudy
@adilmohdstudy Күн бұрын
I am grateful to my KZbin overlords for recommending me this video. Awesome video, mate.
@sprightly106
@sprightly106 17 сағат бұрын
one man's slop is some SVP's special project to show the C-suite
@TarinsHill
@TarinsHill 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for putting this out. This will stay in my mind for a while, If not forever
@terrific-bears
@terrific-bears Күн бұрын
I have a buddy, who on occasion, uses chatgpt to send texts. I call him out on it every time. I understand his reasonings, but it's deeply....wrong. Its not him talking. Its cheap. I've said friends dont AI friends. Theres no word limit, no need for perfection. Im not his boss or grading his essays. Just talk to me. Be real with me. Im alright with it
@strixytom
@strixytom 2 күн бұрын
The annoying difficult things are social proof. Silicon Valley just doesn't realize it yet.
@3v.nervous
@3v.nervous Күн бұрын
i saw a drone in massachusetts on two 2️⃣ separate occasions 😅 … it looked like it was scanning scanning a really wide area and it looked huge
@mostunicorn
@mostunicorn 2 күн бұрын
In general, it's worth doing something of poor quality just for the sake of fun, challenge or learning. I don't think it's possible to do something good without making a lot of poor quality useless stuff before. In the context of automation, it's probably a creativity thing. It's very hard for technical people to come up with useful stuff if you don't have "a real" problem to solve. The guy just took the first idea that came to mind and he was more focused on the technical challenge itself. "It works" is a pretty good goal for a beginner in any technical field. If he's a pro, then sure, he should aim higher. Unrelated food for thought - why do we feel that technical skills require useful results? If you have an average artist making average paintings/songs/whatever, asking them about the purpose and usefulness of their work might even be taken as an insult. A forest landscape has been done a million times before and it's not really useful. It's just another type of slop, but because it has a "creative" tag attached, we don't question it as much. A guy makes a poor (yet functioning) automation script and gets roasted in the comment section. An artist duct tapes a banana to a wall (useless) and gets 6 million $.
@SoloByteStudio
@SoloByteStudio 3 күн бұрын
That’s really good wisdom, nice vid mate.
@MattJoyce01
@MattJoyce01 13 сағат бұрын
"The first rule of any technology used in a business is that automation applied to an efficient operation will magnify the efficiency. The second is that automation applied to an inefficient operation will magnify the inefficiency." Bill Gates 1996
@MrAusdrifter
@MrAusdrifter 3 күн бұрын
Algo put this in front of me. Nice video, well edited and the words carry impact
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
Thank you (and the algo)!
@TheREAPERBlog
@TheREAPERBlog 2 күн бұрын
not sure what made me click this but I really enjoyed the video.
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
Well if you figure it out tell me so I can do it more! Lol
@ernestopedraza
@ernestopedraza 2 күн бұрын
I mostly agree. A lot AI stuff is pretty much spam. I also think disclosing that your content was AI generated is/should be common etiquette. However, I've seen good AI generated content that gets automatically dismissed and hated on without any consideration for the quality and effort. The same for completely human-made art that it's so good people jump to the conclusion "it must be AI" and end up acting incredibly rude to the artist. Of course you don't need to like it, but I wish people were more nuanced about it. Some people are genuinely curious and creative and are exploring new ways of creating art, they exist, but get shadowed by the thousands of other soulless creators trying to "make it" with as little effort as possible. And that already existed before AI, it's just that now it's easier and cheaper.
@SuperRedstoneman
@SuperRedstoneman Күн бұрын
There is also the fact that by encouraging people to not learn and to just find the shortest path to completing their slop work, they will never grow, leading to a future shortage of wisdom and expertise. This lie that you can automate complex work leading to humans being worth nothing disgusts me.
@ChaseAHansen
@ChaseAHansen 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing this.
@KingButcher
@KingButcher 11 сағат бұрын
"getting it to do something good is as much work as doing something good yourself" nah, its less work to get to a "good" stage. Thats the main point people use tools (ML is a tool). It's like asking why people use programming languages instead of writing out the assembly by hand, even if compilers generate sometimes worse than what you couldve written with enough effort. The reason programmers use compilers is because the result is "good enough". What's regarded as Slop is just output that enough people dont think is good enough. The situation is that certain people using generative AI (text, audio, img) have a comparatively lower bar for "good enough".
@lesliewubbel9157
@lesliewubbel9157 Күн бұрын
Underrated content! Love it!
@buffgarlichero
@buffgarlichero Күн бұрын
Very good video. A part of me sometimes wants to make such a slop machine, just because I see people making money off it (at least that's what they claim). But it feels wrong. Even though the accelerationist in me would say that mass-producing slop is the best way to force the system to implode. However I think that's overly simplistic, and wouldn't actually work. I like the comparison of AI slop to litter, because it is really digital litter. It's like a bunch of thin plastic wraps thrown around everywhere.
@KevinMakins
@KevinMakins Күн бұрын
Great thoughts in here. Keep going. God bless.
@fowenart
@fowenart Күн бұрын
Thank you for this video
@trsubliminal
@trsubliminal 3 күн бұрын
Well said, and I agree with you 100%. Earned my sub. However: I am someone who works at a high level in a field that is trying to rapidly replace everyone with AI. I can assure you that the powers that be simply don't care. For 5 or so years now I have been one of the only ones asking "why are we letting this through?" and the answer is sadly that corporations would rather ditch employees than produce quality. You can argue that it's a race to the bottom, where automating everything leads to poor quality which leads to less people consuming your product which leads to you having to cut more and more until your company goes belly up, but these corporations are simply banking on the tech getting better. I have watched my company fumble over their forced implementations of automation, but I've also watched it grow startlingly more competent and they would rather deal with the growing pains than pay us what we're worth. Bit of a doomer take, but that's how it's playing out in my industry.
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
Thank you! I agree on a lot of this, but think it will also drive up the value of editing, honesty, and trustworthiness, at least I hope so
@trsubliminal
@trsubliminal Күн бұрын
@@EJFox the hope is that it'll drive more towards independence and our skills will be artisan again like they were in the 60s-90s, yeah
@robiaster
@robiaster 2 күн бұрын
I feel in a way, all AI can do is say something plausible. To be able to find out if something is truly profound, you have to spend time with it. Nobody has time to think about everything and come to all the conclusions. As humans we can spend a lot of time on a specific topic, make sure we deeply understand it, filter out the noise, compress the information to the most relevant parts, and communicate things in a way that allows people to understand it without having to first figure out all of the individual details. Putting something to an AI allows you to scratch that itch and read a conclusion, but you haven't really checked, have you? How can you know if what the AI says is really plausible if there wasn't a trusted component there that has verified that it's sound, or relevant to the impulse that sparked the thought initially. We might start just skimming through what the AI said, turn on our plausibility filter and stop having any regard of whether it even correlates with our own thoughts if we were to critically think about it. How can I trust my words if I haven't verified them? How can I trust other people if they don't care enough about their own ideas to think them through? I value people who spend time on their thoughts, because I value my and other people's time. I watch a lot of stuff, and I'm an expert on a lot of topics I want to share in the future. But I don't feel like there's any value in saying anything that doesn't have specifically more value coming from me. I don't want to be simply a compilation of things I've already read on the internet from somebody else, if I can't provide any additional value to what I'm saying or I'm not furthering my field. In my opinion, there's no value in the saying itself, there's only value in the filtering process. In the vein of - If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
I felt similarly for a long time- but I really do think there is a ton of value even in just pulling from different places- David Shields' books taught me a lot in this regard; he piles on quotes and passages for entire chapters, and the thing he is "saying" through the curation emerges slowly and organically... I would definitely read your compilation of things you've read and find interesting! The filtering is the value!
@spenzakwsx4430
@spenzakwsx4430 2 күн бұрын
i really like the music in the background. what is that?
@kylenelson5552
@kylenelson5552 3 күн бұрын
I'm noticing it makes me lazy in a lot of ways and its been bothering me. I don't feel as sharp. I'm mindful to be patient and kind with people and thats all well and good but my reasoning is getting worse because of using AI at work for simple tasks and something to talk to. Very import, validating thoughts my friend. Thanks for sharing.
@codruterdei
@codruterdei 3 күн бұрын
You spoke my mind right here.
@Purple_Lamb
@Purple_Lamb 5 сағат бұрын
I hope this kind of thoughts will not get used against therapy... cause you are right, but I fear this possibility of regression
@NorroTaku
@NorroTaku 2 күн бұрын
I once sent flowers to my moms birthday I let chat gpt write it Felt bad But she liked it Im bad with writing I didn't do it again But i think she would have appreciated it again
@grygrygrygry5423
@grygrygrygry5423 2 күн бұрын
Nah. the post cards are literally a definition of automation they were made to be mass produced and have universal liking to masses BC it is what you do when you don't know what to say or you don't have time to do it. For me it always feels fake and kinda worthless BC it's the same what everyone else says what's matters is the gift of giving and remembering that person thinkied about you enough to send you one and spent like 1$ + x and like 1h-x of time it's the gesture and thoughtfulness
@dallassegno
@dallassegno 3 күн бұрын
I bought a laser cnc, a really nice one. I thought it would save me time cutting. It does not. You have to tell it what to do which takes exactly the same time! However, not if I'm making slop! Ha ha ha. Same design 1000 times just for a dollar. But I still make mostly unique stuff so I use the tool anyway. When I'm an old man and my hands fail, maybe then I'll need it more. But then I just bought something so I can avoid paying a human. It's all very annoying and I think about it morally all the time.
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
I think just using it with intentionality is enough!
@adcaptandumvulgus4252
@adcaptandumvulgus4252 Күн бұрын
Indolence plus avarice equals slop
@ShadowZero27
@ShadowZero27 Күн бұрын
i make ai automated slop to slow the advancement of the destruction of thought
@realitydesigners
@realitydesigners Күн бұрын
Yup its happening
@TaymarPlays
@TaymarPlays Күн бұрын
You’re a GENUIS
@zchy-jw4ng
@zchy-jw4ng 3 күн бұрын
this is lovely
@DefEye
@DefEye 4 күн бұрын
Bromeo heady thoughts! At first I thought you were just gonna talk about code and programing, not what it is to be human in a techno hell scape thats already here, and the craziest parts yet to come. I don't know code but I know maintaining our humanity is worth while.
@mcstando
@mcstando 2 күн бұрын
modern world is and illusion of ability to make great things without putting an actual effort
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
and yet some people still do make great things!
@mcstando
@mcstando 2 күн бұрын
@@EJFox because they put an effort, prolly
@alexhiatt3374
@alexhiatt3374 Күн бұрын
wait so why are you out in the cold?
@kitastro
@kitastro Күн бұрын
what with the freaky sound in the background
@pcrizz
@pcrizz 12 сағат бұрын
Reddit was and is 95% slop before generative AI.
@rudzon
@rudzon 3 күн бұрын
3:50 nah, if you don't make things that suck, you are not doing anything. So I assume this was his first iteration, which will improve in future or not. But if you go with "why you do something that suck?" you'll get a defensive response in most cases. What you expect them to answer you? most of the "AI" tools sucked for a looong time
@EJFox
@EJFox 3 күн бұрын
This is a really good point - and I am a big fan of learning through failure and iteration. But I think theres a bit of a difference between pride in the learning process and pride in the output- and like I said in the video; your individual taste and discernment and ability to decide what you do and do not attach your name to will be *most of your human autonomy* when the ability to create things is so easy
@rudzon
@rudzon 3 күн бұрын
​@@EJFox I think there a difference in approach to critique. If I get right, you critique not the work itself, but the decision making on sharing the thing. I think you may be fearing that AI will litter everything (which it eventually will) And since AI cannot do it by itself you spot the exact human which is helping it. May that be the case?
@ajskinner3755
@ajskinner3755 3 күн бұрын
Plot twist this is AI generated
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
Not yet ;)
@TaymarPlays
@TaymarPlays Күн бұрын
Loved this video I do get what u mean
@anguswetty
@anguswetty 2 күн бұрын
3:00 if the thread was titled “I asked ChatGPT what Jung would think about the New Jersey UFOs” would it be less gross to you? I ask this because I send a few of my friends perplexity threads if I’m having trouble articulating something or for verification so they know I’m not talking completely out of my ass. But it’s not as if I’m presenting it as “hey I wrote this article for you in the last 30 seconds” moreso as a thing to help them explore the concept more
@anguswetty
@anguswetty 2 күн бұрын
3:10 oops should have watched the fucking video 😂
@Dauntless1
@Dauntless1 21 сағат бұрын
🍻🍻🍻🍻
@rufi0
@rufi0 4 күн бұрын
based
@hindsightcapital
@hindsightcapital 23 сағат бұрын
U kinda look like Bodhidharma
@xenorzy9331
@xenorzy9331 23 сағат бұрын
cool
@eurybaric
@eurybaric 3 күн бұрын
Man, had my bartender send me his end-of-day report written by chatgpt lol. It was so obvious. And it completely misses the point. Like, ok, I got that people were happy and you sold that many such drink. Facts. But it was so hollow, missing all the cues that let you get HIS perspective, HIS feelings, hopes aspirations, problems, what have you. And I guess he did it cause sure, maybe it was quicker and easier, but also cause he thinks chatgpt writes better than him, more professional (id rther ee rote like dis lmao). What im saying it was not malice, but ignorance, and that get ready for rapid enshittification of social interactions cause everyones gonna be doing it. yet another crap layer.
@EJFox
@EJFox 3 күн бұрын
Yeah I think we are going to need to remind each other we would rather talk to our raw unfiltered friends than a press-release half-assed version
@tuzzogetti
@tuzzogetti 3 күн бұрын
Because the task of writing the report by itself make him doing it with chatGPT. If was something really useful for his job, he will be doing it itself, or its mandatory but useful to you, should be a template where he write everything in the same place everytime he needs to report. Automation tools only automates repetitive taskz
@walubfpv7380
@walubfpv7380 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. Honest and thoughtful.
@EJFox
@EJFox 2 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@InwardRTMP
@InwardRTMP Күн бұрын
Everyone makes slop. 99% of CS students make a calculator app or some shit that is completely useless and redundant slop. The question isn't why make slop, it is why do they think their slop is valuable
@greenthunder7982
@greenthunder7982 12 сағат бұрын
It's not the slop that's valuable but the skills, knowledge and experience they gained from making the slop which they can use to make things that aren't slop.
@InwardRTMP
@InwardRTMP 10 сағат бұрын
@@greenthunder7982 Thats what i was saying. His title is why make slop, but that is just the wrong question because there is a valid reason to make slop - to learn. There is still no valid reason to think the slop is valuable.
@greenthunder7982
@greenthunder7982 2 сағат бұрын
​@ Agreed there is still no valid reason to think the slop itself is valuable.
@eugenech.2450
@eugenech.2450 18 сағат бұрын
Brain chip will teach and automate you to be everything you have to be, as everyone else, to be productive member of distopian future :)
@psaicon0
@psaicon0 3 күн бұрын
The creator economy is screwd... this is just like runescape, why would anyone automate a game? answer: money!
@theking4mayor
@theking4mayor Күн бұрын
Unfortunately, slop makes money. Good content don't
@michaelcbond
@michaelcbond Күн бұрын
Imho came off pretty self-righteous in first 5 min of video. Last minute was a redeeming statement. Scale the passion and love of something to the world. PS having the camera stationed in a set area, is pretty set up, no automation necessary
@StarOnCheek
@StarOnCheek 2 күн бұрын
Automate slop so humans are forced to produce something bettwr
@XavIsOnline
@XavIsOnline 23 сағат бұрын
Nope. It just makes it easier to make an endless waterfall of algorithmically kitbashed garbage, drowning out all human expression forever
@arielulloa4146
@arielulloa4146 Күн бұрын
Let people have their fun with slop, there is nothing you can do to prevent it anyways
@johnsmith-wp5kb
@johnsmith-wp5kb 2 күн бұрын
what an amazing video
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