Why MAKEUP REVOLUTION Has The Worst Reputation | The downfall of makeup revolution

[@rheanathan4189]

I love when Robert politely invites us to look at the screen when something important is happening, you know this man understands the viewers haha

[@natsumihayashi6422]

Yessss! I was thinking the exact same thing!

[@egreg222]

Totally!

[@maloryj7165]

I was absolutely across the room when he asked me to look at my phone lol

[@Erana-Quesada]

Re-watching this vid again because of the content & this beautiful halo eye MU. Well done, Robert! 🏆

[@Maybe.Its_You]

Omg I literally thanked him out loud 😊 9 times out of 10 I’m doin something so that’s such a good idea idk if anyone else does it but he’s the only one I’ve seen it’s such a lil thing that shows he cares/knows his viewers

[@rosedillon6645]

I think dupes fill an important role in the makeup industry, but you can't have your brand be entirely dependent on dupes. Like elf has some famous dupes, but they also have their own hero products.

[@PerrySkyePhoenix]

I love ELF.

[@hollyobaby6949]

Very well said

[@terrilandry1191]

Their pink concealer is the bomb and nobody else makes one that matches my skin tone. I'm of Irish decent, partially, and I am very pale with pink undertones. 400 shades of white girl foundation, and I still have to mix, lol.

[@ally9553]

I think the key is that people would still buy them if they weren’t a dupe. They’re still good in their own way.

[@---xe5et]

Exactly. I also feel like there is a difference between a dupe and what Revolution is doing. A dupe would be something like making a similar shade of gloss, experimenting with new formulas or just using a similar concept or theme. Revolution is like the Shein of the makeup world. Ironically Shein's makeup line (Sheglam) has put more creativity into their products than Revolution has. Revolution just sees a popular item and copies it with cheaper ingredients

[@Kween.Eileen]

I'm honestly all for drugstore brands making affordable dupes of luxury makeup/skincare products. However, it is absolutely unacceptable to steal artistic ideas from smaller/indie brands, or steal packaging that had so much work put into it. It's like making counterfeit art.

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

Revolution only recently got into places like Walmart and grocery stores and they’re some of the most expensive products there 😭

[@saymyname2417]

Stealing is stealing whether from a luxury, drugstore or indie brand. And there is NO excuse for it.

[@erika2m16]

💯

[@Angelaaa1015]

Dupes are a similar color not a full on copy

[@Sunnylyndis]

I love dupes. It does make a better market for those who like an item but can’t afford it. I’ve saved up to buy a really nice brand name product that was out of my price range. But never in a million years would I want a carbon copy knock off. It sucks the soul and creativity out and says “I want money.” A dupe might be inspiration in packaging, color or even consistency but not everything.

[@SoDarnSatisfying]

My heart hurt for the Pink Honey founder as she watched her brainchild and income come under threat after Revolution ripped off her excellent product.

[@LawNerdAmber]

I cried listening to her. The utter devastation and sense of betrayal she clearly felt.

[@ciciad2010]

Yes omg. I watched her when she still had the product in development and was using sample jars & stuff. I felt horrible for her.

[@debrandw246]

I won't use Revolution. I actually like some dupes. If it's something very exspensive. But I will not use Revolution . I felt very bad for that girls small company. Revolution is everywhere. OMG. I had no idea

[@ZijnShayatanica]

I was already iffy about Revolution, but that absolutely killed any lingering interest for me... I recently ran out of my last backup brow gel, so I decided to try the Pink Honey in Cola Cubes, because it feels nice to support a small business. I hope it works out for me! 💕

[@ash3galaxy]

​@@ZijnShayatanicadoes it work good?

[@elisepipia6076]

I DIED at “be a rainbow in someone else’s cloud!” …. “What does that mean? Invade their personal space?!” 😂😂😭😭

[@karolina285]

Rainbow is pretty, colorful, it's something you don't see every day,it makes people smile (usually) when they see one. You could think of people's lives as everyone having their own cloud. It's something like: "she's/he's a ray of sunshine in my life". At least that's how I understand it. (I didn't reach that point in video yet,so I don't know the context.I assume it's some brand's marketing "catchphrase") 😅

[@rosedolch8637]

the sunshine would make more sense to me..

[@Silenceeify]

​@@karolina285Yeah we understand that, it's still cringe

[@jessiejesjessica]

I died at this part too 😂😂😂😂

[@autumnzuniga4725]

It’s even more wild when you realize it’s a quote from Maya Angelous coming from a racist brand!

[@nickyn1083]

I believe there’s a difference between providing an affordable dupe of high end luxury products at drugstore price points and just straight up copying any product that goes viral. It’s literally fast makeup, and Revolution’s business model is no different than SHEIN ripping off small business designs.

[@pixiecreamfull1]

I think the perfect example of a good dupe is the elf putty primer. It’s not trying to be like the tatcha silk canvas primer in terms of packaging but it fills a gap in the market for a more affordable dimethicone-ey balm like primer. Dupes should be made with the intent of creating more inexpensive versions of an existing product without looking like a cheap knock off at the same time

[@StarlaBizarre]

The only primer I use is the putty, I even use it with no makeup on top because it just makes my skin look so amazing! I didn't even know it was supposed to be a dupe

[@LMBillingsley]

I think there is a HUGE difference between selling a shade of lipstick that's a good match for a mac color, in your own brand's look and packaging, for less money, vs copying the product and packaging of a small indie brand to the point that you couldn't tell the difference at a store.

[@AKbaby89]

They suck because of how they just rip off indie brands. I HATE it. I prefer to support indie brands, and it just annoys the hell out of me how they just steal everything. So rude.

[@RobertWelsh]

Absolutely! 🖤

[@FukaiKokoro]

I'd prefer supporting smaller brands when I can unfortunately when you're sensitive or allergic to certain formulas if can be sketchy and scary. And it sucks because you feel stuck with a product you can't use. I've never had a allergy test done and am not sure exactly what in sensitive to and it seems to change. Wish companies would make "gentle" versions of the same thing so everyone can use the product.

[@teufel75]

⁠@@FukaiKokoroAllergy tests typically look at more common allergens, unless you’ve been able to pinpoint specific ingredients and even then it depends on if they can get that specific allergen by itself to test. A good thing to do is keep a journal of things that cause an allergic reaction and compare the ingredient lists to see if you can find a shared ingredient that is specific to those formulas. Even then it is probable with less common allergies that you may never be able to pinpoint your allergens. I have life threatening allergic reactions to allergens that we’ve never been able to identify (called idiopathic allergies) which is common with mast cell disorders (mast cell activation syndrome, mast cell activation disorder, mastocytosis, etc). As far as gentle formulations (I assume you mean hypoallergenic), it’s impossible to produce anything that has zero possibility of causing an allergic reaction in someone. The term hypoallergenic means that they claim to be free of common allergens but even then the term is not regulated so it’s more of a marketing gimmick.

[@FukaiKokoro]

Okay I understand! Thanks for the information! I am sensitive to most plants except poison oak which is bizzare. I don't think I've ever had a reaction to poison oak. I'm also sensitive to latex. Because latex is plant based. The worst reaction I had was from morphe and as I'm aware they don't list ingredients so I've stayed far away from them. It was such a beautiful pallet too. It makes my eyes red and itchy and puffy. And kinda swell up. It sucks having allergies/ sensitivities to things. Definitely makes basic life stuff so hard. @@teufel75

[@nightgoddess9]

@@RobertWelshhave you done videos on smaller indie brands? I don’t know many and I’d like to try some out. Have you tried anything by BeatsByDeb? I adore her and want to support her brand and I know you have the tea on great quality products

[@lauramathews3151]

The worst part is that someone like me who is not a makeup afficionado and just a casual user/ occasional wearer would never know the small brand bc most would find their knockoff first for distribution reasons in retail settings or online bc of advertising dollars in search engines. So the intellectual property owners/ originators have no way to correct the narrative until it's too late...

[@agzilla9005]

As a person who can't afford a $12 box of hair dye, I really appreciate dupes and don't feel bad about luxury brands losing money over them. However, I do feel bad about indie brands losing money to dupes created by larger compied like Revolution.

[@ZomBeeQueeen]

Feel the same way.

[@KristenZianourry2015]

If you are an American have you tried applying for the UHC card? if you are on Medicaid/EBT/SSI you probably qualify and it gives you gap coverage insurance on top of $168 a month for health items or healthy groceries at certain stores or you could pay a phone bill with it. You can also earn rewards every month that could be spent on anything in the store and I think those rewards would help you be able to afford a box of hair dye. So far this year I have gotten $10 in rewards every month for exercising for 10 days and reporting it to the app. And in the beginning of the year there’s a lot more opportunity to earn these rewards that could be spent on most anything at Walmart. This is also not a sponsor but I do like the Flip app because I joined it and got a $35 off coupon making it so I could afford Anastasia Beverly Hills. I got 55 dollars off her make up for 21 with free shipping but they have all sorts of stuff on the app including a hair dye I know my neighbor used her coupon and got a bunch of perfumes for $13. This all coming from someone whos physically disabled & unable to work with only 100-200 a month left after bills. I hope this helps you because these things have helped me be able to afford things I wouldn’t otherwise

[@KristenZianourry2015]

If you are an American have you tried applying for the UHC card? if you are on Medicaid/EBT/SSI you probably qualify and it gives you gap coverage insurance on top of 168 a month for health items or healthy groceries at certain stores or you could pay a phone bill with it. You can also earn rewards every month that could be spent on anything in the store and I think those rewards would help you be able to afford a box of hair dye. So far this year I have gotten 10 in rewards every month for exercising for 10 days and reporting it to the app. And in the beginning of the year there’s a lot more opportunity to earn these rewards that could be spent on most anything at Walmart.

[@KristenZianourry2015]

First part wont post so sorry if this doesnt make sense. This is also not spons but I do like the Flip app because I joined it and got a 35 off making it so I could afford Anastasia Beverly Hills. I got 55 dollars off her make up for 21 with free shipping but they have all sorts of stuff on the app including a hair dye I know my neighbor used her coupon and got a bunch of perfumes for 13. This all coming from someone whos physically disabled & unable to work with only 100-200 a month left after bills. I hope this helps you because these things have helped me be able to afford things I wouldn’t otherwise

[@KristenZianourry2015]

The first part won’t post for some crazy reason but if you look into the UHC card if you are on any sort of benefits in America you probably can get it & they have monthly rewards that have helped me afford things

[@Snowfoxie1]

Oomf. Revolution has long been my problematic fave. I didn’t realize how badly they were ripping small businesses off. Thanks for enlightening me, I’m done with them.

[@ElizabethHoward]

Dupes are always so hard for me. On the one hand, theft is bad. Stealing someone's idea sucks. On the other hand, I also think sometimes high end brands charge INSANE prices for something that doesn't need to cost that much, so it feels very Robin Hood at times.

[@RobertWelsh]

Yesss Robin Hood is a good way to put it!

[@ElizabethHoward]

Oh my god, just got to the Lunar Beauty segment! Dying. Yeah, that isn't a dupe, that's intellectual property theft. Ew.

[@ElizabethHoward]

And, yes, well put on the unspoken rules of duping. The rules in my head are very similar.

[@AndriaBobbles]

Robin Hood is literally the best way to put it... like yes, we all love a dupe cos if we could go & drop close to £100 for a CT highlighter & blush I'm sure we would... but totally ripping off/ straught up copying a brand's innovative product (especially smaller brands) is wrong imo

[@lydia56]

I couldn't love this comment more! The beauty industry actually marginalises people who don't have the cash. Today I was obsessing over the new highlighter by Katie Jane Hughes, £70 for a little pot, I simply cannot afford this product and it brings out this jealousy in me for people who can blow tons of high end make up who truly don't even use it for anything noteworthy. I have MUA friends who do shoots for Vogue who can't even afford these brands yet the brands are dropping every shade of a new foundation to everyone on their PR list! I don't buy revolution because I hate the brand ethos, but if I can get a dupe of Nars orgasm, I'm buying it (thank you Sleek)

[@tiffshorse13]

I love seeing your eyebrow scar and that you don’t fill it in. I have a scar all the way through one brow and I try to hide it, but it never looks good. You’ve made me feel like I should just embrace it…at 54 years old. And wait! You colored the scar! A vibrant color too! ❤

[@paigenelson7351]

Rock the scar! It’s a part of your story

[@Shelby-dg8tt]

To me, I feel like we got carried away with the word "dupe" what Revolution does and what Shein does with clothes and make up are not "dupes" in my opinion. Maybelline has those super stay liquid foundation and if I happen to find one in my shade that acts similarly to like Teint Idol by Lancome, THAT is a dupe. Thats just an example but if you happen to find something from an already existing cheaper range that works just as well, THAT is a dupe. Waiting for collections to launch, or runways shows to happen and then launching the exact same products in the exact packaging that DOESNT wear, look, or feel the same; isn't duping. it's copying and you should be sued.

[@Myeongwol31]

Yasss! Your comment is spot-on!

[@peachesandcream22]

Dupe doesn't always mean cheap. The color and formula should match to the original to be considered as a dupe.

[@forgottengirl3292]

Honey-Brow-gate-drama should not be forgotten. It was the last straw.

[@melissaselenebeauty]

Hey Robert! Love these videos. Dupes are okay, as long as it's not a carbon copy. Also I neeeeed to tell you...I booked my first paying client this morning!! 😊😊 have a lovely day!!

[@Serufi]

Congrats on booking your first paid client!! 🎉

[@RobertWelsh]

AMAZING!!!’

[@musicobsessive123]

congratulations!!! 🎉

[@EGGrun]

Exactly my view of dupes 😊

[@grannym2880]

Congrats. I wish you a long, successful, fun career. 💜

[@LadySorela]

1:01 Depends on the quality. Some dupes just shouldn't exist. However, if the dupe is making the product more accessible and affordable, then they are fine with me!

[@FoxglovedLove]

Anyone else feel personally talked to when Robert invited us to come back to look at the screen?

[@RobertWelsh]

😂😂😂😂 when I say it… I can picture people cleaning, or working or doing their skincare so I am absolutely talking to you personally and asking you to look! 😂

[@BeeCurious007]

Always! I wish he was my friend 💜

[@maryeckel9682]

I must obey immediately

[@zombeatriz]

I honestly really loved and appreciated that he called our attention lmao esp as a multitasker w adhd lol

[@merrivideo]

I love it when he does ❤

[@CarysCreatesThings]

“Be a rainbow in someone else’s cloud.” The audacity of appropriating a Maya Angelou quote to advertise their cheap makeup! Her estate should send them a cease & desist! It shouldn’t surprise me that a company known for copying other brands would use a quote from a civil rights leader to sell eye shadow. What’s next? “I Have a Dream” lip gloss?

[@irelandcook8298]

Dupes are such a fine line: on one hand it can be useful if you're wanting makeup on a budget and a product happens to perform as equal to something more expensive, but on the other you'll hear a product is a carbon copy just at a cheaper price and both look the same. Then you have influencers say something is a dupe but it's really not. Since I don't wear makeup often I usually keep to products that 100% work for me so I normally don't venture into dupe territory

[@RobertWelsh]

Yes absolutely! 🖤

[@FukaiKokoro]

Another way to look at it, one companies formula maybe contain ingredients or a formula that someone could be sensitive to or allergic to while the dupe maybe doesn't. So it can also give people with allergies or sensitivities a chance to use a similar product. Wish companies would make gentle versions of the same product so you could buy the regular one or the gentle one.. it's annoying and frustrating when You feel stuck with a pallet you can't use because it makes your face puzzy, red and itchy and makes your eyes water.

[@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533]

I adore your integrity, Robert, and how you’re plugged into the best of the influencer beauty community. So glad you’re sharing Jen’s videos (she also deserves all the success, and she’s done SO much research and work to make it understandable for us all, and I’m so glad you’re referring to her work!)

[@ErisIsAnAbomination]

Revolution is the makeup equivalent of a KZbin content farm, istg. No makeup brand should realistically have THIS MANY sub-brands, especially when they’re all essentially the exact same in terms of quality and branding.

[@Opaleye36]

That is the best description I’ve ever read for Revolution

[@shaunacorrigan9372]

Yes! The 5 Minute Crafts of makeup!😂

[@TheodoreHilgeman]

Bro right??? No one is buying all those products....makes you wonder where it all gets dumped. Probably a land fill.

[@ducky19991]

@@TheodoreHilgemanall brands do that.

[@annaelizabzth]

They’re like SHEIN-level stealing

[@dripdrip08]

The ordinary has showed us ingredient prices are way more affordable than these big brands are advertising them us so it's good that there's healthy competition, because as someone who buys luxury makeup some of these prices really are ridiculous.

[@burdeegirl]

I LOVE The Ordinary! It's the only reason I actually have skincare.

[@magical571]

The ordinary qualifies as pricey were i live. Affordable would be revox, revuele, maybeline, and yes, revolution.

[@hallievanoutryve3109]

Duping big luxury brands is different than taking creative ideas from smaller Indie brands. Thanks for the video!

[@brunette3cookie]

Dupes for high end DISCONTINUED products are 100% needed (RIP my cracked KVD eyeshadow palette). Mac is notorious for discontinuing lipsticks I love, so someone keeping the things I love alive is fine in my book 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@magical571]

Yep. I like them.

[@Denki48]

As someone who up until very recently was living off £500 or less a month, I loved makeup revolution for making affordable dupes so I could still have makeup as my creative outlet. Now that I have an actual income that doesn’t restrict me, I’m planning to move away from it as it’s not what I *need* to buy anymore. (I wonder how my view will change by the end of the video)

[@RobertWelsh]

I think we both have the same view on the situation to be honest I don’t think your view will change! 😝

[@Denki48]

@@RobertWelshmy opinion did change! I learned a lot of stuff I didn’t know before that has lead me to make the decision that I won’t return to their products again. I can’t believe I missed that whole thing with Pink Honey!

[@Danielle-ze9ds]

Your going from 500 a month to something affordable as income, don't rush into more expensive brands. Robert has tons of money. Get your essentials and learn how to manage your money first cause when you go from poverty level to a decent income most people end up just getting by as if still on poverty level because they don't learn money management instead they run to consume.

[@Denki48]

@@Danielle-ze9ds oh, I don’t plan to be diving head first into lush brands. I still have the makeup I have now- it’ll still last me a while. No need to go out and spend all my money needlessly. Also, I appreciate the concern. I have fine money management skills. I was only on £500 a month as I’m an international who was at uni, my immigration visa severely restricted my work.

[@battlecat6766]

I love when companies bring out a cheaper/ more affordable product to rival high end, expensive products but when big companies with huge resources steal small independent creators ideas it’s gross and so unethical

[@Amondra87]

I've always felt there is a difference between a dupe done with some level of integrity and just ripping someone off. Like I personally feel ELF does a good job. The products they dupe have been out for a time before they dupe it, and it's also comparable, so it's a nice alternative. Revolution is such low quality and do it so rapidly that it does feel like they are ripping people off and not just giving people a more affordable option.

[@warrentronica]

Yeah the ELF dupes are not exactly the same. They have a unique feature that makes them not exact copies and that brings something unique. Like the halo glow liquid filter has more coverage than CT

[@lauren8574]

I wish I could sit here and say I’ll never buy a dupe again…but as a skint single mum, I definitely will. The high end brands just charge FAR too much. I’m sorry 😬 PS - Love this look. Your eyeshadow is divine!! 😍

[@magical571]

Yep. This. And were i live nobody carroes elf, at all, and brands don't sell their full range in general, so i can't afford to be picky.

[@yvettebasson1243]

Ooooh this should be good! No issue really with dupes, but there is such a fine line between dupe and flat out copying.

[@RobertWelsh]

Yes absolutely agree’

[@jessicazanoli4187]

I'm so sorry you've been going through this. You and James don't deserve that at all. I'm praying for you, and remember when you feel so over whelmed close your eyes and take a slow deep breathe. Sending love and strength to you.

[@briannasnyder7515]

Love you Robert! I'm a licensed cosmetologist and while this is a tough industry people like you keep me going and I'm able to see the beauty in it!! Thanks for always being honest and putting out quality videos for us ❤️❤️

[@RobertWelsh]

Thank you so so much! 🖤

[@crissy4346]

​@@RobertWelsh​I've always been curious about something. And I understand that UK, and US guidelines may differ, but where is the line between legal, and illegal dupes? I'll use ELF for example. They make pretty accurate dupes of expensive products, but they don't get sued. Is there a way that works?

[@erika2m16]

​@@crissy4346​ The best example I can think of is Elf's 16 HR camo concealer. It has a similar formula to Tarte's Shape Tape, and also has the big applicator. But it's not a total rip off of Tarte's packaging and marketing. And they only dupe products from large brands, they don't steal from indie brands and small businesses

[@Liz0519]

I'm all for dupes but there's a difference between dupes (i.e. Alter Ego) and straight up copying (what Revolution was obviously doing). Also I love that you mentioned Jen Luv - she's the reason I found you in the first place!!

[@SheilaMarguerite]

I'm glad you're doing them because I'm so confused about their history 🖤🖤🖤

[@RobertWelsh]

I still am 😩😂

[@SheilaMarguerite]

@@RobertWelsh thank God it's not just me 🥲

[@mosaicofmentalhealth]

I love the protective big brother energy you're giving when you talk about what revolution does to Indie brands ❤

[@shantimattie9916]

When they bought BH it broke my heart. Since they did so the melanin-friendly shades I love have faded into TikTok Ameliorated pale shades for girls obsessed with unicorns.

[@neovalkyrie0]

Makeup Revolution is more inclusive than BH ever was. They did a collab with The Plastic Boy and his whole collection was made with melanin-friendly shades. They have a lot of black creators featured on their social media. A lot of their eyeshadow palettes are dark skin friendly. I don’t understand your comment.

[@thxwanderer]

​@neovalkyrie0 I think the op just meant since BH was bought out, their specific melanin friendly shades have been erased. BH was around for such a long time and plenty of people had favorites so even if Revolution has plenty of melanin friendly products, some people have favorites that are now gone. And sadly, Revolution cycles and discontinues so much product that it's sometimes hard to pick a favorite no matter your skin tone bc you blink and the product is gone. 😭

[@Silenceeify]

What's BH?

[@R_S747]

​@@Silenceeifya relatively cheap but still good quality makeup brand that used to do collabs with KZbinrs back in the day like Carlie Bybel (or however you spell it Im not sure)

[@shantimattie9916]

@@neovalkyrie0 I’ve used Revolution as well. When a Brown girl tries their eyeshadows, no matter how intense they are in the pan, on our skin they’re too sheer and very dry. Unless you’re wearing pale pinks, blues, greens, etc. With sparkles. Is that easier to understand?

[@angelwings6186]

I used go believe in dupes and buy them religiously. Then I started creating custom jewelry lol once you've had your idea stolen, that you worked so hard on, it changes your mind about a lot of things.

[@austinromero9185]

Robert I’m a 17 year old student in a beauty academy who has been watching you since 2019. I carry your knowledge with me through every service I give and you have truly changed my life and artistic ability. I could never stop watching you, and sending you love ❤❤❤

[@mariafranchi3751]

🥰💗 I wish you all the best in your journey!

[@icy_bird5540]

8:35 I appreciate that you gave us a chance to come back I’m almost never looking at my screen 😅

[@sannajrgensen7241]

Revolutionen can't see the difference between creating a dupe or a copy. One thing is to create a cheaper version of a product wich gives the same result, but to steal the design and exact colour stories is something else.

[@ritafrancis]

I actually had to pause your video just to comment. Holyyyy BH Cosmetics!?! There’s a name I hadn’t heard in YEARS! They were EVERYTHING in my teens!! Sweet Jesus you just took me down a memory lane 😂😂❤❤ (I am 35 btw, been watching you and ur brother FOR YEARS!!)

[@glitteringmaze]

I think I have exactly one Makeup Revolution product I’ve ever purchased, which is the dupe of the Morphe matte setting spray, and it was not good. I think dupes are perfectly fine and having affordable versions of higher end products is great! Some of them are even better! But there’s a difference between a dupe and a complete copy or rip-off, especially when they harm small businesses.

[@RobertWelsh]

Absolutely!!

[@carolavanmeenen9917]

Totally agree whit you i own a few revolution products. The Shoph pallet, one balm blush (thats a dupe of Jones Road i didnt know). I love the Soph pallet and the balm blush. A few other things that are not dupes. But i wil never buy from them again. And i will do research in brands in the future. Because i dont want to support brands who steal one on one copy's. And were the ceo is an racist. Thank you Robert for pointing things out and jusing your time to do the research. I cant trow my revolution products away because i had to save for a year for the Soph pallet. And can't buy something new. And trowing it away is also waistful. But what i can and will do is think about what i buy in the future from other brands.❤❤

[@mybeautyfilledlife]

You need to do voiceovers for brands, your dramatic reading of the Revolutions ads was one of my favorite things ever 😂❤

[@breecrossroads]

So many thoughts about this video: 1) I think when it comes to dupes, I am in favor of ones like Elf, but there's a lot of nuance and discussion to have around it, like better standing up for Indie Brands when it's happening and holding big companies accountable. 2) Class is in SESSION! Once again, I am SO here for Robert's teaching videos. Robert, your teaching style and manner, like all else you do, is top notch, easy to listen to and follow, and so illuminating. Also class is in session because as always you never stop being classy. 3) Can we talk about the way that eyeliner made your brown eyes just pop? If milk chocolate was a gemstone... damn! Anyways, thank you so much for this video! I love the interactive nature of it and found it a breath of fresh air compared to other videos out there.

[@victoriastargle2929]

I watched Kelly Gooch's video on this and agree with her sentiment that I don't necessarily want dupes in duped packaging. There's no art to finding dupes any more and that kind of sucks

[@Albusolar]

Dupes are okay if the ingredients aren't harmful. Many people can't afford the named brands especially in times like these. They still want the pleasure of taking care of their skin and wearing makeup on a daily basis. Love your videos Robert, much love from Glasgow Scotland. 💙

[@michellemelville8979]

I think you're talking about counterfeit products rather than a dupe. Dupes shouldn't pretend to be the original products. AFAIK dupes don't typically contain dangerous products while counterfeit can.

[@Albusolar]

@@michellemelville8979Point taken. ✨💯

[@lisamarinez580]

Snap snap snap! I so adore you! Agreed on all of these points! WHY do people want to use more produce ie- the reverse nose contouring

[@MoonLightt57]

I feel like the whole brands creating dupes situation would've never been a thing if brands didn't come up with ridiculously high prices products and focused on making good stuff snd keeping the prices reasonable..Thank you Robert for giving in your time into research l! 💖

[@Hil_Billy]

I knew the Deep Dive into Revolution would be good. I laughed more in the first three minutes of this than I have in ages. Informative, entertaining, and honest with your opinions without coming off like some KZbinrs. You always understand the assignment. 🔥🔥🔥

[@sassidee8904]

I love your chuckle! It always makes me smile! You say thank you for joining, but I want to thank you for your videos. Makes my day!

[@RobertWelsh]

Thank you so so much! 🥹🖤🖤🖤

[@Hawaiian6-pack]

The ripping off is disgusting. My heart breaks for the pink honey girl. Is there a link you can share so we can support her? I already buy lunar beauty, but I have never heard of the woman who you featured. I love how you use your platform for such good!!! Love it!! ❤️❤️❤️

[@bellaleu7782]

It’s such a fine line especially when certain brands are logistically or financially unavailable. Butttt, despicable when it’s an indie brand that they’ve put blood, sweat & tears into. L&B from 🇺🇸, Bella

[@Ailhak]

I really appreciated the acknowledgement of people listening, not watching. I was one of those people and I absolutely came back to look at those $3 drugstore tween make up 'Pro' options.

[@KatieKitty2003]

When it comes to dupes, I think having a similar color story is fine, but ripping off packaging and layout and making claims that they perform the same isn't fine. Don't get the business by lying about what you're selling. Update: yep, that went where I thought it was going. There's nothing wrong with being an affordable makeup choice, but don't oversell what you're capable of, and don't rip other creatives and companies off.

[@HB.13]

Hi Robert. Love your videos.. Being a 90's kid, I'm soo mesmerized by that popping Neon in your recent videos😍❤ I just checked, they also did a duped Huda, Kylie, Cerave and a bunch more 🙆‍♀️🤯

[@katehamilton7796]

I became aware of their bullshit after Manny's highlighter debacle. And until recently you were still able to find those Revolution knock-offs here in New Zealand in a major department store. I agree with your final take. When you start out playing with makeup they seem a good option, but with time comes awareness of their hi-jinks at which time I think a know-better, do-better approach is appropriate. I have similar feelings about Jeffree Star and Too Faced.

[@SpliffSplaff]

I love how you're aware that not everyone is watching the screen and therefore tell us when to come back, I mainly use youtube to listen to stuff, so I really appreciate the heads up😂❤

[@kmwsweetnesss]

I clicked on the video before I even read the title cuz that orange liner is everything! I think you adding color to your scar is such a cool idea, you look great!

[@andreahomer9434]

I'm coming to this video late, Robert. Great video - thank you. Personally, I don't like dupes. Firstly, they feel disingenuous to me. They are a cheap version of someone else's brainchild. Secondly, if I buy a cosmetics brand, I want it to have its own identity. I'm a drugstore makeup buyer - always have been. I want Maybelline to look like Maybelline. I want L'Oréal to look like L'Oréal. If they bring out dupes, it would be a turn off for me. I'm really not impressed by the rebranding of Collection and Boots No7, both of whom (to me) are now selling products designed to look like Glossier packaging. Ironic that they did this just as Glossier's reputation and popularity hit the buffers. I'm more than OK for people to see my drugstore makeup bag rather than seeing a makeup bag where I'm 'faking it'. I wouldn't want this to be a criticism of others who buy dupes, though. It's personal choice - whatever makes a person happy is fine by me.

[@erinmaxwell7676]

As far as dupes go, I feel like brands offering a more affordable version of popular expensive products sounds good in theory, but it seems to usually end up looking more like plagiarism...also, offering a similar-looking product with sub-par results (*ahem* revolution) isn't bringing a benefit to anyone but the dupe brand. I'd rather use unique, good-quality drug store products than cheap dupes that won't live up to the expensive versions.

[@Danielle-ze9ds]

That's great for you and you privellage !

[@sarabaghaei5056]

100 percent. There are plenty of good quality affordable brands nowadays. Just because you don't have the money for more expensive brands, (I definitely don't) doesn't make stealing ok. Or contributing to it. Also, stealing from an indie brand is just shitty.

[@saymyname2417]

Plus, there is absolutely no need to buy expensive stuff since there is more than a lot of affordable products around. As if a Pat McGrath makeup was as necessary as food, clothes or having a roof over one's head...

[@erikamuir5768]

definitely noticed this. i work in a pharmacy in australia that stocks revolution and the constant licensed makeup collections and the entire stand is just dead

[@teresamulhern]

“Be a rainbow in someone else’s cloud- what does that mean? Invade someone’s space?!” This is my new favourite phrase. Also, I understand WHY people like dupes- not everybody has the means to get the original product… but… dupes can be problematic by taking the ideas of others and profiting from them

[@nataliaturner4845]

Speaking of "taking the ideas of others" ... pretty sure they took that quote from Maya Angelo without crediting her 😅 (P.S. also, possibly just a phrase that she popularized, but I have only ever heard her say it 🤷‍♀️ it actually means something like "be the one to brighten up someone else's bad day" :)

[@AndromedaApokalipsy]

20:08 thats it...and people should get this into their heads. Large corporations earning huge amounts of money steal from small creators, often destroying them, destroying all the work and energy they put into their projects and products. Sick.

[@ceresgnosis7145]

I messaged Revolution about a allergic reaction on my eye and they left me on read 😂 Never got back to me .

[@RobertWelsh]

Does not surprise me!!

[@charlottiej]

Loved this video!! Felt like an interactive video when you called us over to the screen! 😂😂 the eyelook is so beautiful too, I have the same colour eyes and never know how to make them pop like people with blue eyes, but that Lisa Eldridge eyeliner looks SO good and makes your eyes pop, I had to buy it. 😍 thanks as always Robert!! ❤

[@aleigha9141]

I like some dupes. It depends on how they’re done. I cannot afford high end all the time, so if the dupe is a good alternative I’m for it. I am not for brands just copying everything other brands do and not coming out with their own unique products. And then sometimes there is just NO duping a high end product. Nothing is as good 😊. Ya just have to save up and get the good stuff lol. Thank you for these reviews! So helpful ❤️

[@RobertWelsh]

Thank you!’ 🖤🖤🖤

[@JorJorBinksss]

Thank you for inviting us to look at the screen 😊

[@lynxelmore5364]

I only use their Sport Fix setting spray because it keeps my face together while I'm sweating on stage profusely. But their eyeshadow pallets are just so terribly formulated, and I'm disppointed I spent money on them. 😔

[@marymccarthy2344]

I love these videos of yours. I don't follow online drama so I'm not aware of any of these things that happen with makeup brands. It's good to know these things before I buy though. Also, your dramatic reading of the I Heart Revolution description was the absolute best!! 🤣🤣

[@maryeckel9682]

"Universally loved by MUAs" Robert's face 😂☠️ Revolution moved into Walgreens, and now the beauty consultants are expected to push it. I feel sorry for them. I did try an eye cream, and it's nasty and keeps separating. Never again.

[@plmwrites]

I have been so behind on makeup news and this video pops up. I am so glad, because the foundation and skin tint was my favorite and I recommended it to a lot of people. Now that I know and it has come time for me to get new products, I will not be getting anything from them!

[@Avovoom]

I'm still sad about Bh cosmetics 😭 their zodiac pallet was the absolute best, but if they re-release it I already know I'm going to hate the quality and formula change

[@sagebeauty]

Agreed

[@kikiking11]

Wow! This one of my FAVORITE videos so far! Thank you Robert! It is so refreshing to have an honest, respectful and professional view about make-up and what I should spend my money on:) 💕

[@musicobsessive123]

love this series from you! would it be too much to wonder if there'll ever be a deep dive on jaclyn hill cosmetics?? those lipsticks were CARTOONISHLY awful i have memories of watching her double down and lie and just being.... kind of amazed at her audacity lmao... i KNOW your take on it would be hilarious

[@RobertWelsh]

I can absolutely do that! 😝 thank you! 🖤

[@musicobsessive123]

​@@RobertWelshthank you so much! the kids these days need to know about rawbeautykristi with her microscope finding hairs in those lipsticks. it truly changed the world of beauty forever

[@theroyalbugness]

@@musicobsessive123I don’t think that video will ever leave my mind. I was such a fan of RBK back then 😅

[@musicobsessive123]

@@theroyalbugness it was a cultural MOMENT !!!

[@Cait491]

Yay! This a product available in South Africa so I'm excited you're doing this one 😁🖤 thank you

[@Milly4772]

I always wondered why revolution wasn't selling well at my store. Thank you for this very informative video

[@marley.hendrix]

You reached 1 Mil subs! Congratulations, you deserved this milestone a long time ago 🎉❤️🎉❤️

[@teelesynclair5902]

That poor girl from Pink Honey, she doesn't deserve that. There's dupes and there's taking the p, they were doing the latter with what they did to her 😢

[@scoutharris8586]

I can't really afford the luxury brand, the most expensive makeup I own is a eyeshadow palette from Nomad Cosmetics and it was $40 and I have a KVD lipstick that was $21. I like it when the dupes aren't exactly the same but they have similar ideas. And having smaller pan sizes is cool because most of us don't need forty nudes

[@eefoof5827]

I just have to say, I LOVE the way you did your makeup on your eyebrow scar in this video. It’s such a cool way to accentuate a really unique and gorgeous feature of your face, I’ll have to try it out on my own face scar!!

[@RachaelTheRed]

Unintentional dupes have never bothered me, like how Wet n' Wild has a highlighter that just happens to be a similar color and finish ro Becca's Champaign Pop. The packaging looks norhing alike and you can tell it was a coincidence. Revolution, on the otherhand has always felt more like direct copies than actual "dupes" which has always rubbed me the wrong way. I have never really purchased from them because I think there are other brands of the drugstore with better products for the same price, but the way they copy small businesses gives me the ick.

[@ajrockne307]

Love that you let me know when I need to look at my screen ❤️

[@KYAmy-Hick]

When they describe Revolution Pro it’s basically saying “New and Improved” which basically is saying “regular Revolution is old and shitty”. I didn’t mind them ripping off Too Faced Chocolate palettes bc I hate Too Faced😂 Lastly, I’m convinced they have moles inside other companies bc the sheer speed at which they come out with dupes is mind boggling. I guess they have some standards since they didn’t dupe James Charles palette😂(not that I saw anyway) Sorry, I’m salty today😂

[@alisonmercer5946]

😂😂❤

[@karenmichael5483]

This is probably gonna upset some people but it's just my opinion so I'm gonna add it here anyway... When Revolution won't make the effort to copy a James Charles palette, to me it definitely says it isn't worth copying. 😂

[@KYAmy-Hick]

@@karenmichael5483 That was my feeling exactly! 😆

[@claudiahigh135]

Living for highlighting the scar 😍😍I have a brow scar as well and love doing the same thing

[@jesclifford88]

I’m hate to see the honey brows one 😢 her product is such good value as well! I really hope people get behind her brand and purchase some products. Her website is great and varied 😊

[@Friendly-Female]

This is how sad I am 😂 I didn’t know it was dupes. I can’t even afford to look at high end makeup, I only buy revolution when they have their website sales. Stuff from £3. I just found you and love your videos. You’re laid back and funny 😅 the face you made at the beginning was great. some makeup KZbinrs have too high voices or too much energy for my liking 😊❤ omg! Update..I can’t believe they asked for copyright proof because I thought art was automatically copyrighted!? Design is art. Did these brands try to sue?

[@illinoisviolet1532]

I've been waiting ages for someone to call these guys out! Thank you Robert I'm loving this series!💜

[@calculatedspaces]

Dupes. Duplicates. 11:11 Yes, they exist in different ways & category spaces. I think getting the right designers & legal team can be powerful leverage to handle situations like this. I now want to watch some of Manny’s content. I 💗 the video concept of informing the community so we are more aware as we shop and make decisions about products we 💕 to use… and knockoffs that do no favors for our environment. The choice is always on an individual level. ✨ Thank you for sharing these personal perspectives. ✨

[@mktruett]

I love the honesty - so refreshing! Thank you for this series.

[@RobertWelsh]

Thank you I appreciate that!!! 🖤🖤

[@Youtubee-nd4je]

Your content never gets boring! Thank you for all you do.

[@jessieh9127]

I'm okay with dupes. Not everyone can afford higher end makeup and imo those people should be able to get good products that are in their budget as well. Edit: I don't agree on the dupe just straight up copying the packaging/name etc. People should know it's a dupe for the other product

[@jmicha91]

You just reminded me about their concealer I need to buy :p I like to buy dupes sometimes but I rarely want to buy something that is 1:1 dupe to the more expensive ones.

[@kaelynevans1874]

I think dupes are okay when they’re not straight up ripping off other products, especially with indie brands. Like, when Becca was around, I couldn’t really afford their highlighters, but found great dupes with Colourpop, though they’re not the same formula. That being said- there’s something about saving up for a certain product that does feel special cause sometimes dupes aren’t going to be exactly like that product it’s duping. But with that as well, dupes are great when it comes to college students and others who don’t want to pay that much money. Only for colors and such rather than the entire packaging and concept and such.

[@Sallimyra]

You made it to 1M!!! 🎉 🎈🎆 Woot-Woot! So happy for you!😁

[@dinasilva9263]

I appreciate so much your opinions but your sense of humour makes everything even better. Your face in the beginning was priceless. 😂

[@RobertWelsh]

😂😂😂 thank you! I know I can be very dry and sarcastic some people think I’m being an ass hole but I’m only being silly 😝🖤

[@BeeCurious007]

​@@RobertWelshThose people just don't know you! 💜😉💜

[@wendyash6915]

In love with your eyeshadow shades here! I love the grage/taupe look!!!!

[@Arbee1000]

Very informative video. I’ve seen Makeup Revolution at Target but didn’t really know anything about the brand. Personally I think dupes are ok as long as you’re not ripping off the packaging and design. And brands should behave ethically and avoid duping small indie brands. Dupes should be more “inspired” by the expensive versions rather than being a complete knockoff. But I think it’s good to provide an option for people who can’t afford expensive makeup. Makeup prices can be outrageous. Luckily I’m not really into eyeshadow, but I’m always amazed at the prices of palettes. Recently the beauty community was all buying the new $70 Natasha Denona palette. $70 for one eyeshadow palette! Before I discovered beauty KZbin I had no idea makeup cost this much. I thought that only snooty rich ladies at Sacks were spending these amounts on makeup, not your average college student! 😅

[@lynhardman1384]

Thanks for this info! Here in Vancouver Canada Revolution is not that cheap and I have wondered what the quality was like but have always hesitated to purchase any of their products. I can assure you I will not be even looking at it from now on, discussing brand! 😠

[@milanaarsenovic2388]

As a student without a job, I was so excited to be able to use eyeshadows at affordable price. My choice was Makeup Revolution and ngl I was impressed with quality. I stopped purchasing their products when I found about Manny and Pink Honey situation. Now I have a job and I'm so happy that I can afford much higher quality products and let me tell you from this perspective their products are shitty quality and not worth your money. Better save some money and purchase from good brands that don't steal ideas and concepts 💁🏻‍♀️