Why Man Utd and Newcastle both need European football

Newcastle United face Manchester United on Wednesday with both clubs competing for a place in Europe next season.
But is the increased strain on squads that comes with qualifying for UEFA’s lesser competitions actually worth it? Or would a season out of Europe allow both sides to regroup and build again?
Ayo is joined by Talk of the Devils Carl Anka and Pod on the Tynne’s George Caulkin to debate and compare the two United teams.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:07 The mood at Newcastle and Man United
00:03:40 Newcastle’s away form
00:07:43 Eddie Howe
00:09:45 Newcastle & Man United comparison
00:14:29 Both teams injuries
00:23:53 Man United v Newcastle
00:28:36 Do Newcastle need European football?
00:35:19 Man United & European football
00:41:40 Bruno Guimarães
00:44:50 Final comments
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[@1sparkyj]

The fact that a Man Utd fan such as Carl can be so likable and charismatic has made me question my whole belief system.

[@kvu8843]

its the biggest fanbase in EPL - statistically gotta be some gems in there 😂😂

[@saltmerchant749]

@@kvu8843 United is a toxic wasteland though, you'd think non-toxic people would struggle to survive.

[@hills863]

Liverpool fan here. I do met some likeable United fans, they're very mature. Even when they banter us, they're still funny and not annoying 😅

[@damienreilly4347]

​@@hills863West Ham United?

[@hills863]

@@damienreilly4347 in this context Man Utd 😅

[@stu8758]

Newcastle arguably got into Europe a season too early with their lack of depth showing this season when injuries struck, that's what they need to prioritise over anything else this summer. Whilst the other is just a dumpster fire, clinging onto the smallest positives they can find

[@mattvarner5825]

They needed a low pressure Europa League campaign to learn how to fight on 2-4 fronts and spread minutes around. Also helps to learn who's got the quality to play in Europe and who your squad players are

[@googahmeier]

@@mattvarner5825 I have no idea how new player signings works, but I really hope they get 8 fresh young prospects rather than 2 big named players with a price tag. Their bench has been ABYSMAL for the majority of this season. Like two 40 year olds, and 3 goalkeepers as subs lol.

[@TyneBridge90]

and we also got the 'group of death' that meant we couldn't use our squad at all and had to pick our strongest 11 for every match...same in the cups to be honest apart from maybe blackburn away which was still a tricky match due to our injuries at the time

[@mattvarner5825]

@@googahmeier that number of young prospects in this market will command fees larger than two or three big signings of senior players. It'll help drive wage costs down but ultimately young talents is what Real Madrid and Arsenal will spend big on over the next few windows. The intensity Newcastle play with suits younger players but you need a blend of youth and experience to achieve anything

[@RobGThai]

We were too early and overshoot too high. I think we would do better with less intensity of Europa League instead. However, it is important for EH and his staff to understand the effect of UCL on our physical limitations. We need to improve how we do things and the young squad for our backup. It’s a miracle how Miley filling so well so early. Great season nonetheless.

[@marshallkutyn3043]

I like Carl but him saying that Man Utd's injury crisis is worse than Newcastle's is just so not true. In recent weeks, sure. But over the course of the season, no chance.

[@mauricekennedy6786]

Facts newcastle have more time Mist than any other club in the league

[@chairsmissing]

Man Utd's injury crisis is so severe, we barely make a starting 25. And it's so disruptive to the point there's no continuity in the style of play. Hence one reason (of the many) why the football is so chaotic.

[@gejskelly]

@@chairsmissing Newcastle had 3 goalkeepers in the matchday squad and the only senior players on the bench were Ritchie and Dummett at one point, we were playing academy kids that are getting released in summer just to avoid playing with 10 men back in November/December.

[@deadtotheworld22]

A really good and interesting discussion - Carl and George are some of the best journalists and writers working for the Athletic and in the football sphere at the moment, and this was a really eloquent, funny and informative discussion both about where the clubs are at the moment and indeed the different stages that they are at. It's a strange situation to be in when despite the fact that Newcastle have just had their Director of Football poached, are out of all competitions and dropped points at the weekend, the mood seems to be a lot more optimistic than at Old Trafford. Personally, I have a sneaking suspicion that Man United will get the win at Old Trafford and will better Newcastle's result on the last day of the season regardless of form, but that's the pessimist in me talking.

[@RichMitch]

Finally some nufc content

[@oitoitoi1]

a bit frustrating how little media coverage they get compared to "bigger" clubs who are below them in the table, same with villa.

[@RichMitch]

@@oitoitoi1 absolutely. Shows the effect American sports culture has had. It's not based on merit, it's based on money

[@oitoitoi1]

@@RichMitch absolutely, the worst thing to happen to European football has been american ownership (just look at man u), and they are the biggest threat going forward too as the promoters of the super league idea and turning football into a closed shop.

[@BigPurp9]

@@oitoitoi1clubs like United get the coverage they get because it gets the most eyeballs. United losing to Palace gets more attention than other clubs winning competitions at the end of the day

[@Sohrab5322]

One of the best podcasts out there. The hosts are really well-spoken and they know what they're talking about, in contrast to some of those clowns we see everyday on TV or youtube.

[@Sohrab5322]

@@theathleticfcpodcastclips For sure I will!

[@davidsimpson5259]

Good listen this gents, and yes the 3-0 win at Old Trafford was a laugh. It was a pleasure sitting next to you and chatting George!

[@jackrandy1338]

One of the best episode of the show.

[@seanjones7434]

One of your best ever pods. The degree of insight from Carl and George is fascinating.

[@matiaslarenas5901]

Best episode yet!!!! Carl was such a joy

[@laluneodyssee4404]

Carl is the best.

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

Never seen Carl Anka in this much pain. His heart is breaking.

[@stephanw3549]

He's such an ETH stooge

[@ossealey8995]

Of COURSE injuries explain our poor away form, we have had major players missing from a squad that is limited by cartel rules.

[@rogercookcouk]

Class pod! #HTL!

[@BadselS]

Santiago Muñoz was Newcastle's best signing, ngl

[@MichaelBurge-pj9kn]

Excellent podcast.

[@geordiedog1749]

This whole prem season has been about inconsistency - for every club. NUFC have the best excuse in that they are a good way ahead of the rest when it comes to days lost to key players through injury. Bearing in mind the majority of the squad, and also most stating players are pre-take over bargain basement buys by le grand Michelle. As for tonight’s match - It’s got draw written all over it so a seven goal thriller it’ll be.

[@Juaninho3]

Finally some content on United

[@geordiedog1749]

Which one?

[@drakegeralds699]

Teams grow as the season goes on. Same as last season when Licha, Case and Eriksen came in and bonded. This season that growth was interrupted by injuries. Case in point, Evans/Casemiro partnership has gotten better over time because of playing together consistently. Imagine where the rock of how we played last season(Licha/Varane/case/Malacia/Shaw) went missing alongside the new signings so in essence the team on the pitch was worse than what we had last season

[@sizwesokopo281]

"Atletico Tyneside", 😂 another Carl gem

[@M4Maroon]

Being negative in such a period is a 100% the reasonable thing to do.

[@M4Maroon]

@@theathleticfcpodcastclips only my boss, girlfriend, 8 months old daughter and for some reason the neighbour can tell me what to do!! But I’ll check the clips 😀

[@jadmantoura4483]

“Man Utd are in complete free fall” So is Old Trafford’s roof

[@Michael-me6qu]

Theatre of streams

[@jackb5640]

Theree having a "bad" season and theres finishing outside of europe (probably), and getting the clubs worst points total in the Premier League era.

[@coreypnorris]

Seems like every other video I watch on this channel, someone is wearing a Mets hat or has one in the background. Are the Mets really popular in the UK?

[@oitoitoi1]

no. no one cares about baseball here at all. nfl gets a bit of interest, nba a little amongst sports nerds, otherwise no one here cares about american sports.

[@crayontom9687]

It’s the sure fire sign that someone has been on holiday to NY. Otherwise nobody cares about baseball

[@ImmuneGEORGE]

Genuinely never heard of Mets

[@coreypnorris]

@@ImmuneGEORGE they're the Everton to Liverpool's Yankees.

[@mauddib1761]

Lots of people wear the Yankees caps but I don't think anybody watches. I've heard of the Mets but only because I listened to a radio show from NY and they used to talk about the Mets a bit. Channel 5 used to show live NFL really late at night and I think occasionally baseball too and I think the BBC might show NFL highlights now but I'm not sure US sports are that popular here. I went to Japan a few years ago and was surprised how into baseball they were. They have these practice pitches with mechanical pitchers in lots of places (I accidentally pressed the wrong setting and the speed nearly took me out so i now appreciate how hard it is to even get near to hitting the ball)

[@rana1561]

How the turns have slightly tabled.

[@daniellastuart3145]

All top sides need European football for the money and the kudus but the only 7 places sometimes 8 places, for 9 teams so 2 club every year will be disappointed. It looking like it 2 of West Ham, Man U and Newcastel will miss out this season, next season it be a different two, so on ,so on

[@steveningram3732]

Howay the Lads ⚪️⚫️⚪️

[@MrSushmon]

Is Carl Anka litterally the best podcaster with The Athletic FC?

[@marcusdidius4090]

Dear George, Canny video as always👍 Score prediction: True United 5-0 False United👍✊💪👏🤘😎😊😁 HOWE-AY THE LADS👍💪✊👏🤘😎😊😁 Regards,

[@purehyperbole5727]

The Athletic were scathing of the new owners when they took control. This correspondent said there would be an asterix against everything positive thing Newcastle achieved. Now we have things like this video. Sportwashing in action.

[@firestarter1888]

TLDR: Big Bags

[@deepthrow-jn8ij]

But european fiitball don't need both

[@antd6993]

I have been in St James’s this season 4 times, Aston Villa🎉Chelsea🎉West Ham🎉and Luton😮…..we can’t blame injuries as Villa have been hit hard and look at them…we have been massively inconsistent and left it very late to get some away form and if tomorrow goes pear shaped then I fear for the summer….it is a straight shoot oot between the 2 UTDs😂

[@Ashtonishing1812]

Nah injuries are a big reason. We’re way ahead of Villa in the injury record for the season.

[@tartansinatra]

Did you manage to get tickets thru a membership, or buying from friends, family and that guy down the pub? Interested for next season...

[@antd6993]

@@tartansinatramembership ballot for 3 and have a mate with ST who couldn’t make it🎉

[@Sts_andym]

Carl mentioning he has friends is on my Athletic pod bingo card

[@Wrioncnkiye]

Just admit it: ETH's tactics are terrible this season. No team, not even top teams, would play without a midfield. In the first game of this season against the Wolves, when we were full team, it has already proved that whatever tactics we are planning to use sucks.

[@kvu8843]

McFred midfield would have made a difference 😂

[@Wrioncnkiye]

@@kvu8843 The way we play football this season? Not even having two Kantes would make a difference!

[@Mansukh09]

His tactics didnt work against wolves because he tried to play a possession style of football like Liverpool but using An injured longstaff with a broken ankle just ruined it however his new tactic of isak and Wilson up front in a strike partnership can work

[@Wrioncnkiye]

@@Mansukh09 Oh my word! Did you watch that game? Do you even know what possession football is? 😂

[@Mansukh09]

@@Wrioncnkiye I did and stats back me up Wolves pressed and got back that ball and that caused set pieces which we just couldnt defend

[@dansnowden9147]

George is wrong again. It’s not a success to get Europa conference from this position. It just isn’t. Nor will the players see it as progress going from CL to conference as he suggests. No, to attract and retain the players we need it has to be Europa. Otherwise it’s a failure from this position where it’s in our hands.

[@geordiedog1749]

So the players will be somehow oblivious to the injury situation?

[@JPzizou]

Cfc had the most injuries and no talk 😮 and didnt have a good previous season to build on😢😅🤔

[@mauricekennedy6786]

No they haven it's newcastle bye a mile

[@ImmuneGEORGE]

That is false, Chelsea are 5th for days lost by injury when you look at the data from Sky Sports 5 days ago.

[@j.j.911]

These takes didn’t age particularly well after the result. Manure were clinical albeit poor. We were naive and poor during the important moments (the poor quality shows when it’s needed most). Manure will likely finish above us.

[@edpoole1942]

Is the constant coverage of Newcastle while largely ignoring Champions League qualifying Villa by football sites down to Newcastle having an English manager?

[@ImmuneGEORGE]

I think it's more for the fact there will be more eyes on Newcastle. Clicks lead to revenue

[@edpoole1942]

@@ImmuneGEORGE But why are there more eyes on Newcastle. It's not got a particularly larger supporter base or more successful history.

[@jonprague]

Funny how ppl accept Newcastles injuries without question.

[@mauricekennedy6786]

Because they have had the most in the league

[@Ashtonishing1812]

Well… they happened

[@Michael-me6qu]

Categorically the most man hours lost

[@dhodyelfayet]

This is a clown podcast. Though suffering as a Barcelona fan, I watch this analysis of Man U and ask myself. Are we watching same football? They talk of Rashford begging good. No way, Radhford is been trash all season. Tell me one big game he had this season.

[@bignugget6982]

Newcastle are a disgusting club

[@glynhayes5930]

You really are a massive nugget lol.

[@Michael-me6qu]

Makems will always say that