Why Man Utd Should use a 4-2-2-2 (Double False 9) System...

[@AtlantisFootball]

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[@blessingbetha9731]

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[@AtlantisFootball]

@@blessingbetha9731 thanks bro

[@nsubugakasozi7101]

The final formation for us should be 3-2-2-3. The problem with our system is simple and other managers like de zerbi, pep and arteta have demoed it...the FBs need to invert. One of mazraoui or dalot needs to move into the midfield BEFORE a risky forward pass is made. Pep called it making the "extra pass back" WHILE the team shape changes...while the FB moves into the midfield...in that time you make safe useless passes back to the keeper and defenders etc. You then go on the attack when the transition is complete. Dalot or mazraoui have to invert into the midfield during the build up. The reason manutd end up in the 3-1-6 formation is because we RUSH to attack and our FBs DON'T invert...instead they are all going very high up to overlap with the wingers. Thats why there is this HUGE gap in the midfield when someone plays a bad pass. This is why our games are like basketball games. Players are either running to attack or running to defend...NO in between. We dont hold posession just to have it...noooo...we are always going forward or back. Even Onana kicks long just based on vibes...and yet he should be looking for triggers Listen, There is NO system that can prevent bad passes permanently..there are very few players in the world who never hit a bad pass..a small countable number...you just have to play a system that prevents BAD passes from becoming GOALS. No midfielder is going to fix that huge GAP in the midfield...ugarte wont...even mainoo got pressed for the last goal. Even prime kante cant cover that huge space...you need the team shape to be CORRECT before you make risky passes. United players need to know which passes to make in which phase of play. The distances between players have to be correct before you begin making risky passes. This small thing is why teams like mancity and arsenal take control of the game...its not that rodri or declan can cover massive spaces...its that stones moves into the midfield to help or zinchenko/timber for arsenal etc. Those players move in the midfield to allow the DISTANCES to be CORRECT BEFORE risky passes are made The biggest problem with ten hag is I feel that he too crammed the system..he knows how the final shape should be BUT not WHY or HOW...so when things fail....HE BLAMES the players...oh look, I dont have lisandro...oh i dont have luke shaw...oh but casemiro is bad, i need de jong...he doesn't teach the players WHY they have to do something in a CERTAIN phase of play. Casemiro can play safe passes...he just hasnt been told WHY. In ten hags mind, the solution is always to just to replace the personel...replace casemiro with amrabat etc. But good managers know and explain to players the WHY. Look at mancity...pep can play 2 Right footed defenders for most of the season...no complaints about angles etc...because he explains the details, so they know which passes are allowed and WHEN.

[@GeraltRivia-z3w]

You're absolutely right and eth doesn't know this basic concept

[@christiankelechi135]

You're making sense until the last part which i'd disagree in some sense. You're not in the locker room to confirm that he can't do these things. Why blame him when professional players are weakminded to do a job or task? Once the players are out, he's not on the pitch. We all know players makes mistakes but common sense should be used to limit those mistakes....

[@Akeem-uk6pl]

@@christiankelechi135 I dont know mate... Making Casemiro a deep lying playmaker is just asking for trouble..

[@DS4Life]

Bro it’s awful it would work once Garnacho and Rashford are firing but rn it’s a burden on are midfield and defense if we ain’t scoring up top

[@AtlantisFootball]

Completely wrong. The issue with United’s current build up is that the midfield and forward line are far too static. The reason Garnacho and Rashford aren’t firing is because ten hag’s system doesn’t open up the right spaces to create these sort of chances

[@nix8260]

@@AtlantisFootball this is exactly correct

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@nix8260 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@ipanropi8423]

garna and rashy is not on fire coz they are instructed to keep the width, which means they often find themselves at near the line. thing is, these two player plus amad is a dangerous player in half space, between wide and center area. we have a good winger but we are not using them properly to their strength by keeping them wide and hoping for them create chances.

[@nix8260]

@@ipanropi8423 you're very right! I have no idea for the life of me why we play our *inside forwards* like touchline wingers. ETH is making a mistake with that istg!

[@giteausuperstar]

Mason Greenwood would have fit into Utd team perfectly 😢 5 goals in 3 games for Marseilles

[@AlAl-nt3kl]

Yup. So stupid how we dealt with the whole situation. Once he was found innocent by the court, should have just integrated him back into the team. The getafe loan was good to get him back to match sharpness. But should’ve kept him this season.

[@christiankelechi135]

Would you just move on ffs. Players fc supporters follow him to Marseille please

[@andrewvictor5216]

@@christiankelechi135😂

[@sunglee3935]

Why all these crazy things happen at man utd?

[@SebastianGonzalez-we9qy]

I think united should try an 3-4-2-1 formation , you have 3 great CB with the ball and good defending (Licha , De Ligt and Yoro) , the pivot should be fine with mainoo and ugarte , you can play with 2 playmakers like bruno and diallo to help with the creativity in the offense.

[@blessingbetha9731]

Finally someone said it. I prefer the 4-1-2-1-2 though. I’ve been saying this. The 2 strikers can be Garnacho/Rashford and Amad and during attacks they can split. And you can also play Amad in that 10 role

[@michaelstebelski7773]

Atlantis, would you use Hojlund on the right wing also?

[@abasionohezekiah5187]

this is one of the many possibilities of the way we should play or love to play, but the sad reality is that some of the best players lack the basic qualities of modern day model player of that position, and these are the players we heavily depend on. And mind you i am not talking about maguire or lindelof no, i am talking rashford who seems to have lost the basic ability of providing width for the team and solely depends on the overlapping runs of a full back in order to be effective. Mean while players like doku, son, martinelli, diaz, gakpo are all comfortable with receiving the ball in that high and wide position in a possession based team. So if rashford cannot class himself with proper wingers so what is his best position or does he always want the ball played in behind the defense on the counter only??? Bruno is a midfielder and a modern day model midfielder should be very comfortable with at his feet under pressure and should be able to at least manipulate the ball in tight areas to a certain level in order to afford space and movement for his team mates around him. Sadly bruno does not excel in these areas. But rather his strengths are receiving the ball in space and immediately smashing the ball into space for a forward runner. Ball retention and good link up play are required from modern day attacking mids. The problem here is, we depend a lot on players that are not versatile or complete. The modern day player in any position must tick all the boxes in terms of skill sets for a certain position. that is why bruno or rashford may have a brilliant game today and might put up a stinker the following week because they do not posses complete skill sets. But as a coach it is normal to try and play in a certain way in order to get the best out of a certain player while maintaining your style of play, but the task becomes even more difficult when you have about 3-4 players you are trying to protect

[@mumandubula1788]

433 might suit us cause our midfield always gets run through.

[@bodonnell98]

I feel like this system is great in buildup but im unsure if it would work successfully in the final third. It would lead to multiple united players box crashing without any target forward pinning their two centre backs. It seems like its not enough numbers in the box when in possession in the final third imo.

[@AtlantisFootball]

This is a build up strategy tho. When possession is in the build up phase and there is space between the lines and in behind the back line.

[@feranmiquadri6279]

Oh. Exactly my initial thoughts. 😂

[@feranmiquadri6279]

Tbf. We have seen glimpses of this at united. And i think it would work in build up but i dont know about attacking a team in their defensive shape, probably try out a different pattern then though. I also dont know how hojlund would fit into the system.

[@feranmiquadri6279]

But I really like the 4-2-2-2 concept., ever since I watched de zerbi.

[@feranmiquadri6279]

And united don't execute it prolly I think.

[@gabriellaonyemeh6358]

good analysis as usual Atlantis , but wouldn't it make sense for these videos to have like a sub-topic like tactics explained, squad building, live reaction, major rant etc, so we as subscribers know the kind of content and videos we are getting, could even be like a recurring thing so we are anticipating a type of content and not just daily uploads, again nice job love how your channel has grown over the years ................... remember back when you did analysis videos for houssem aour to utd 😅

[@gamelova6647]

I strongly believe that Ten Hag should switch to a back 5 formation. Anthony or Dalot would be perfect as a right wingback, while Rashford or Mazaraoui could excel as a left wingback. I suggest a 5-2-3 formation, similar to Bayer Leverkusen's setup.

[@imaikopottuk6722]

What about a low block team

[@MrLePov]

I thought the whole reason we bought Zirkzee was to facilitate Rashford's diagonal runs in behind, but instead Ten Hag still has him hugging the touchline most of the time 😐

[@-_-DatDude]

It's almost like ten Hag is a crap manager that we should have sacked. This will will be a long season. I hope you're ready. 😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@MrLePov]

@@-_-DatDude yeeeahhh I wanted him gone at the end of last season 😕 But I think if he doesn't fix things, then Ruud will be the interim manager by Christmas.

[@AtlantisFootball]

Hopefully if we get a points deduction it’ll be this season. Because it literally won’t matter, we are finishing 7th/8th it’s so obvious

[@anelemjezu6486]

Ten hag is the problem. The premier league is just too big for him.

[@vishnurajan6896]

If bruno play as a false nine we canot get maximum, he need to play as central midfilder role, then he can create more chances.

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@vishnurajan6896 not really, it’s not about the position on the teamsheet it’s about the areas he picks up during certain phases of play

[@winoo3610]

Yes I agree

[@Juicerock12]

Would definitely be an interesting watch but ten hag doesn’t have the balls to ever try something like this

[@88balloonsonthewall70]

Isnt this pretty similar to how United have started this season tho?

[@melchertnowee8443]

Well, you can say his tactics are flawed and that they aren't working and I couldn't disagree with you, but his tactics are still very ballsy. If anything, probably too much so. It's not like he's just parking the bus and playing it safe in any way.

[@Juicerock12]

@@melchertnowee8443 yea you’re right about that he leaves the whole midfield wide open lmao remember when Bournemouth and Brentford had like 30 shots vs United I’m back to back games🤣

[@eesafredericks2122]

@@melchertnowee8443 i think the issue in the last 2 games were less system, and more a combination of things, United fans are fickle as fuck lol

[@melchertnowee8443]

​@@eesafredericks2122 I agree that fans are fickle. It's frustrating to see. It's not all negative either. Sometimes the press looks improved. But there is no consistency and our TH doesn't seem to get our players too play his system faultlessly and our attackers can't seem to find their teammates or the goal even with chances. I see potential, but progress is too little and TH is still ultimately responsible for the results. I think he will be reevaluated end of this year. In the meantime we can only wait and not panic

[@MrRokkit]

*Centre seems a bit congested tho?* 6:04 I mean, even if this opportunity presented itself it's asking a *lot* of your GK. Fail to thread a pass between #7 and #8? *Very dangerous* Lofted pass to a player in the centre of your own half? *Hospital pass*

[@joni.sirvio8867]

Ralf played this and media laughed

[@DigitalJuggernaut]

Bro I love your analysis but Ten Hag is going to use his default 4-2-3-1 formation.

[@AtlantisFootball]

Ten Hag is getting sacked mate. Well if we can afford it

[@DigitalJuggernaut]

@@AtlantisFootball I think you are right. He is too stubborn and tactically inept to survive at United

[@tersooachiatar5499]

But we have only one press resistant player in the midfield which is Mainoo. 1st things first, can our players pass the ball correctly even when they are not under pressure? The answer is no! So how do you expect them to implement something so complex? The coach is not capable of implementing tactics. Something has to significantly change. If we can't pass the ball, there is nothing we can do. It is so frustrating

[@AtlantisFootball]

Yeah they can. We have Ugarte, Mount, Collyer, Martinez, De Ligt, Dalot, Mazraoui. Issue isn’t the players it’s the set up

[@tersooachiatar5499]

@@AtlantisFootball but I saw Dalot, Martinez, Mainoo, Casemiro all loose possession in our half infact they lost the ball in more dangerous areas than the Casemiro ones just that we conceded from those 2 he lost. Watch the game again and see how many turn overs we had, there were more unforced errors than forced errors. The issue of losing possession is very important because you won't concede when you have more of the ball. In that midfield Mainoo is the best press resistant player in the team Collyer too is another. Those combinations you are talking about are impossible for ETH to implement for 2 years we are still practicing how to play out from the back. The Manager for some reason looks like he does not have any plan. Too many wrong things happening at the same time. When Arsenal play you see Odegaard come short to help them play out from the back but our players are instructed to stay so high Bruno is always so high same as our full backs and one mistake just one misplaced pass and we crumble like a pack of cards looking isolated. The manager should be sacked in November if the results stay the same or no pattern of play is established. Aston Villa, Marseille, Bayern Xabi Alonso's team, Spurs and even Chelsea are implementing styles of play after one season with average players but ETH wants 7years? Your analysis is Spot on but ETH might not be able to much.

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@tersooachiatar5499 yep because of the system. We can’t keep blaming players, who do we want to sign, prime Barcelona?

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@tersooachiatar5499 Hurzeler and De Zerbi have and had far worse ball players in the deeper areas of the pitch but a far better at playing out of a press

[@alpha15555]

Who has used jersey fifa before? Is it legit/where do they ship from/ and did you pay customs?

[@destro1989]

Why they defo shouldnt.

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@destro1989 explain

[@lefikapiki8036]

I’m not against this formation however Slot explained how he broke down this system in the second half against Liverpool 🤷🏾‍♂️look at how Liverpool used their wingers in that game

[@feranmiquadri6279]

​@@lefikapiki8036I think the issue was that the fullbacks were starting too high in build up. If they had stayed just a few paces back we probably wouldn't have been as exposed as that. We placed too much burden on the cbs and the lone midfielder at times. My opinion though.

[@feranmiquadri6279]

Also think the two false nines dropping into the midfield pulling the opposition's cbs would have created easier outlets both too them and the two wingers running into the space vacated from the cbs

[@ShahulHaq]

isn't that what United have been trying 🤔

[@oliverkeverenge9819]

Man you should really invest more in a football coaching career. You have an eye for the game. You have great potential.

[@AtlantisFootball]

Thanks bro 🙏🏼 much appreciated. Any other videos you’d like to see

[@dylanlawrenceholland3295]

this hojlund disrespect

[@AtlantisFootball]

Just reality

[@paulbtennisuk-uz7rj]

dont play rashford or onana or casemeiro any system will work

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@paulbtennisuk-uz7rj nope, Onana and Rashford are both good enough under the right manager

[@oliverkeverenge9819]

If United played like this, they would clearly flourish. I don't know how I can get a link to this video to Ten Hag.

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@oliverkeverenge9819 thanks bro 🙏🏼 he wouldn’t watch. He’s won 2 trophies so doesn’t need to change anything

[@lilgrezy69]

Why do you think United haven't been able to make this system work?

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@lilgrezy69 because we haven’t tried it

[@notpaul3173]

@@AtlantisFootball you really dont watch ball bro

[@AtlantisFootball]

@@notpaul3173 I literally watch more than you. But explain when Ten Hag has used this because he literally hasn’t

[@tobejamiu6094]

​@@notpaul3173We use 4-2-4 not 4-2-2-2

[@AtlantisFootball]

We don’t use a single pivot system in midfield

[@GeraltRivia-z3w]

WOW you still talk about rashford. he's not even at a level of shit

[@AtlantisFootball]

Yes. He’s a Man Utd player. Mate you need to grow up. Rashford is a good player. We just have a terrible manager who doesn’t use him properly. De Zerbi makes Rashford better. Don’t blame Rashford, blame ten Hag. Stop pushing “agendas”