Why Martial Arts Don't Actually Teach You How To Fight

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[@johnreidy2804]

I bounced in a bar and found that my 8 years of wrestling experience was far more helpful than the black belt I achieved in GoJu

[@DenshaOtoko2]

Some TMA do like Kyokushin, Ashihara, Enshin, Sport karate, Taekwondo, Muay Thai, Lethwei, Bokator, Judo, BJJ, Wrestling, MMA, Choy Lay Fut, Sanda, Shuai Jiao, Jeet Kune Do, Boxing, Kickboxing.

[@johnreidy2804]

One point I'd differ with you on. Most fights do end up in some sort of grappling position whether standing or on the ground. And if one person wants the fight on the ground it goes to the ground

[@alexanderkappelhoff2819]

a point about the 'old way' versus the 'new way'. A lot of combat sports are pretty recent, at least the way their competitions are organised. Particulary in boxing and kickboxing, what used to be the 'modern' way includes life debilitating training intensity and a lot of injuries. There is a movement among professional fighters towards lighter, more technical sparring . Traditional martial arts often had or tried to have a place within a certain community. In any community, debilitating your best fighters is not a good thing to do as such debilitated men serve their communities worse than if they hadn't been debilitated. I think the hard sparring we see in combat sports is also related with having a surplus of humans, where the individual has become too small to serve any actual meaningfull purpose in a community. This could also be why traditional martial arts practice fighting as safely as possible in their eras. Of course, modern training gear also opened opportunities to increase training intensity while mitigating the risk. For instance, HEMA probably wouldn't really exist or be as big as it is without modern protective equipment.

[@Rainbow_Oracle]

This is a good obvervation. The places with the most raw talent are those with the most soul crushing poverty. They have an excess of people and their lives aren't valued at all. That's why Muai Thai and Mexican boxing communities produce such good fighters. They have no shot out of poverty if it's not by winning prize money.

[@ArizonaTengu]

These kinds of videos would stop being so popular if martial artists just followed tradition. People either come to your school, you go to their school, and you fight. You’re not a martial artist if you can’t fight. All the fluffy pseudo philosophy means nothing if you can’t do what you’re supposedly trained to do.

[@MaharlikaAWA]

You are not a martial artist is you just beat up jobbers either and look like trash with horrible technique while you do it as well.

[@RicardoMontania]

Imagine if that culture was still alive.

[@allwoundup3574]

none of these martial arts actually work, that's the problem. Karate, TKD, wing chun, they're all bullshit.

[@mordi2537]

Simple. All fighting styles water down eventually. It's hard to attract and keep students when they are going to the Emergency room once a month. Now let's talk about insurance....

[@carsonjamesiv2512]

VERY GOOD ADVICE!😃👍

[@DenshaOtoko2]

Same thing with Kendo, Olympic fencing, Destreza, and Fiore.

[@sac5608]

yeah man my boxing gym was brutal like military training did karate when i was younger got up to 7th stage cant remember what belt it was green? maybe lol but i still couldnt fight for sh. first day in boxing gym humbled me and i fell in love with it did it for 7 years

[@Hinterfrage]

Is it intended that what is shown in the clip looks crappy?

[@PandoraChaser2]

I would tend to agree with your thinking here entirely. Lots of limitations within most styles and good sparring a major weakness, lacking from so many styles standard training, renders them pretty much useless. Everything needs pressure testing properly and at all ranges and floor fighting. A lot of chaff out there to sort the wheat from and absorb as useful.

[@DenshaOtoko2]

Also Yang style Taijiquan and Chen Style Taijiquan and Bajiquan and Mongolian Wrestling.

[@MartialArtsMoves]

*I agree that the Kata is a waste of time.. that's why I stopped going to Shotokan years ago. Kung Fu is good though!*

[@secutor0972]

I will argue that sparing do not teach you fight, because, it teach you hit fast, but not strong. I will argue sports do not teach you fight, it teach you score points=be fast, not strong=finish oponnent. etc. There is something about Chinese martial arts, people from past was not dumb they knew what they are doing, we don`t.

[@chendaforest]

If you want to learn street fighting I'd research people like Geoff Thompson or Lee Morrison, ex bouncers with a lot of real world experience with violence. Boxing and Judo are martial arts which actually work, as they haven't being watered down. I agree light sparring is much safer and increasingly used in Boxing training to reduce the CBT risk.

[@steveh6373]

Over the years Judo has been watered down. Example standing arm bars standing chokes, not permitted to grab the legs and not permitted to drop on one or both knees. I'm sure there are other restrictions as well

[@chendaforest]

@@steveh6373 in competition yes there are more restrictions. The focus on standing grappling rather than rolling about on the ground like bjj is much better imo.

[@Rainbow_Oracle]

Boxing is way watered down. The quality of instruction is garbage to nonexistant usually, and there is little sense of method or tradition in most gyms. The only people that get the real boxing instruction are usually actual prize fighters with something to gain and something to lose. Everybody else can figure out the real details of the science by themselves. The only good thing about it, is the hard sparring, which gives you practical life experience where you can learn what your real faults and strengths are, so you can have an idea of what works for you, and what failings you need to improve or at least cover. This is the slowest most bitter way of learning real skills, and most people aren't self aware enough to figure out what it is that they need to do to fix their errors. But it is good for something.

[@chendaforest]

@@Rainbow_Oracle well the training might be but the sport itself still involves full contact fighting, as does judo, albeit under the rules of the sport. Unlike many martial arts which have turned into mostly an art form. Sparring though carries the risk of brain damage.

[@user-hk3cv6lq7z]

BJJ is a combat sport and would you say Freestyle, Folk style, and Greco Roman Wrestling doesn't teach you how to fight? If so just learning any grappling art just as useless as Aikido and Kung Fu?

[@matthewbaumann630]

Karate and other styles have their merits, but most clubs just goof around instead of sparring, conditioning, drilling and bag work. They waste way too much time on forms and doing one step drills that aren't realistic. (Like a lunge punch and a fancy block).

[@mordi2537]

Lunge punch is one that works! Whether in boxing , karate or FMA.

[@matthewbaumann630]

@@mordi2537 Isn't a lunge punch really slow and easy to block though? I never see people using those in real fighting or sport fighting.

[@Don-wl1un]

I trained in a traditional MA were point fighting and kickboxing were part of the training everyday. I at first I thought that piont fighting was worthless. It teaches you to go really fast, to make a decision and follow through. This is shown with expamples like Raymond Daniels and Michael Venom Page and Wonderboy Thompson. I do think Katas are pointless.

[@Rainbow_Oracle]

The kata have great value. The problem is that most people don't know what they are good for, and what they are actually training. Kata at the end of the day are just a sequence of drills. A good drill is goal oriented, looking toward a specific outcome, and taking all the necessary steps to achieve it. A successful drill is action and intention unified. If you just do rote exercise without understanding like some zombie, then you won't get very far. If you don't know the purpose of the drill, then you are missing half the training. You need to understand the point and usage of each drill, take each drill out of the kata, and train them individually till they come out smooth. When you can do all of the drills smoothly without hesitation, then you have basic mastery. The kata is your dictionary, and your measuring stick. Like what they say about acrobats, "every 1 minute of smooth performance is 10 years of hard training". To paraphrase General Qi Ji Guang, "Once soldiers face real combat, they forget 9/10 of what they learn in training. If you could somehow get them to remember 1/2 of the all procedures, they would be unstoppable." The point of kata is to develop muscle memory. The moves should be effortless and come out naturally. If not, when you face real confrontation, you will default to what you have the most years of practice with -- which is uncoordinated sloppy movement -- and you lose all advantage. Knowing what works in an intellectual sense, is necessary, but almost useless by itself. You need to have the movements in your body, to make them reflexive, to have them in your fast reactive brain, and not in your slow computational brain.

[@pascal0868]

By fighter you mean professional, doing it for a living? Or a street fighter for ego or bullying others? Many of us are professionals that can’t afford injuries and especially concussions from so called proper sparring. At same time we like training in something that resembles combative. Self defence skills would be an asset but I get it it will we low percentage outcome.

[@DenshaOtoko2]

That's because they don't spar or compete much or at all.

[@FREQVENCYDubstep]

Aside from bjj if you get belts to show how advanced you are instead of an actual win/loss record, then you probably won’t be as good as you think in a fight

[@dnice583]

Tell that to the likes of lyoto machida and Wonderboy. They used the principles and training they learned from traditional martial arts and won championships in mma and sport karate. I think that qualifies and pressure testing don't you.

[@FREQVENCYDubstep]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@dnice583of course that qualifies. Hence why I used the word “probably” because most Karate practitioners aren’t fighters and most MMA fighters use boxing and Muay Thai

[@DenshaOtoko2]

Wing Chun and Hung Gar.

[@SuperAchileas]

ALL THIS WAS investigated in Ancient GREECE ,THEY HAd a culture of athletics MMA etc.... from BEFORE 776 BC till 200 AD, SOMETHING,they trained all day, ground wrestling boxing and standing wrestling,and everything goes,

[@thisisdafunk]

The problem is, people are being scammed. The majority of all people that get into Martial Arts are taking, paying money to, and spend time and effort to learn to defend themselves! This should be better regulated! If you want to do Art Dancing then that is fine, but do not pretend that you are teaching people to defend themselves.

[@Rainbow_Oracle]

This is a good point. The teacher is not incentivized to give you good instruction. The longer you train at their gym, the more money they get to make off of you. If they have no other profession, then they are incentivized to string you along as long as possible. Even if they know the best way of defending, it's not in their interest to teach you the most efficient thing. You learn on a hyper efficient training, and you say "gee thanks! this is all I really needed" and then leave, abandoning the teacher and leaving them without an income. Even if they aren't super materialistic, the longer you train, the more specialized skill and knowledge you develop. You demonstrate a higher quality of learning, and develop a more representative picture of the flavor and tradition of a martial art. Which is to say, you can be a better quality student, and not misrepresent your teacher with your own failings. The highest level of martial arts is developing skill and not techniques or cheap tricks. Real skill takes years to polish out the useless reactions in your body and to leave only the useful ones. A true martial artist is an aficionado of the science, wishing to learn this aspect, to become the very best at their craft and pass on this level of skill, which can take a lifetime, if you want to do it properly.

[@Observer-kw7vu]

You know just enough to sound like you might know something ...

[@DenshaOtoko2]

Capoera Angola.

[@A3A3adamsan]

"Martial arts don't teach you how to fight, If you want to learn, how to fight, you have to go to an MMA school..." *facepalm* Do you know, what MMA stands for? That's right: Mixed MARTIAL ARTS...

[@strikingmachine2975]

I think Intent is just as important as Technique. in this video, about Half of what the Instructor is showing, are Techniques that I would also practice. but some of his students seem to be playing around. I would rather play around after I have knocked someone out..

[@nopreguntes]

You are so wrong dude. Martial arts teach you about your body, about your limits and leads you to overcome them. Martial arts tech you a scientific way to use your body to hit, kick, jump, grab, etc, etc, and all is in your benefit, because all of those improvements will be usefull when you get a victim of an aggressor. Martial arts teach you a lot of thing that without them you will be a very more weaker figther, but with attention and hard work you will become a better figther and also a better person that in fact, dont look to figth and dont need it. Im sorry to hear abot you poor experiences, and i do respect your opinion, but do not agree with you,

[@sac5608]

sparing is essential ive been boxing for 7 years and my friend asked me to join a mma gym so i learnt some muay thai and bjj. his friend who does tai quando sparred with me. he was allowed to kick and punch and i just punched. he couldnt land a shot i tagged him constantly he has been doing it for 10 years. after that he stopped doing tai quando and started muay thai he can now get some good attacks on me. muay thai, boxing etc that inplements sparing is way more effective. im not dissing the other martial arts but some are way more effective than others. i did karate for 3 years complete waste of time. boxing teaches you how to control andrenaline tunnel vision most people fight and forget everything when in the situation. hes not wrong hes 100 percent spot on. in my opinion i respect yours but i do not agree at all

[@TC-nh4uh]

Ya if you’re not actually learning practical techniques that could be used in a real world situation, (God forbid) it’s a waste of time. And the bigger problem I see is people who do some of these stupid styles, really believe they know how to defend themselves. The first street fight I was ever involved in was some douche who did karate and tai Kwon do, was trying to punk me in front of my girl. At that point, all I knew was a basic boxing 1-2 and I knocked him smooth out in 10 seconds with two shots. Then he called the cops and pressed charges but it backfired cause I was 16 and he was in his late 20’s lol

[@cybersork]

I agree with you. So many are totally blind to or just disregard the various dimensions of benefits of martial arts training. Also it is something you can train with different purposes, such as health, well being, body awareness and control or take it more in the fighting/battle direction. Its so weird so many have the mentality that "if you don't train it to become a killing machine, you shouldn't bother doing it at all".

[@guycolvile]

Sorry but this weak attempt at trying to sound Wise is annoying - its just shallow 'content' to make a long youtube video. WHy the focus on fighting? The label 'martial arts' mean, Arts, based around combat. Not combat, made Arty. Geddit? Anything that ends in 'do' means it is something you train, simpl y to get better at it. noit to beat someone who has trained something different, or in situations completely out of context. JuJitsu for example, (japanese ju-jitsu) - IF taught properly, can be use as an Art (training for precsision, perfection, etc) and the technicques can then be used on the street - used Freestyle . In other words, scrapping, punching kicking, biting, elbos etc - and THEN apply knowledg of biomechanics to break someones arm. Many things from Kempo, Daito Ryu, are very effective for bouncers - when they are not in 'training' mode. I mean - What is 'fighting ability ' for? Competition - yeah OK, obviously. Otherwise - Self defense? its not gonna do it. ALL self defense training is to a degree delusional, UNLESS the 'sparring' is done at real, full intention, and the willingness for both sides to actually get hurt a bit. WHich almost none are - the exception being full contact MMA taught (eventually) with NO RULES - i.e. dont die and finish your opponet fast, and specific street fight training which invloves hard training for conditioning and hardening up against pain. So - pls stop proposing that Martial Arts are aimed at learning how to fight. We moved on from that hundreds of years ago. and anyway The best self defence is a weapon. You are complaining about something that doesnt exist. TMA are not useless; they fulfil precisely their role.

[@johannjohann6523]

I agree with the title. But with an exception. Certain Martial Arts CAN teach you how to defend yourself and subdue an enemy. And Wing Chun is one of them. Focusing not on fancy moves and kicks but always keeping your balance, and working to get your opponent off balance and to the ground. And incorporating Chinese wrestling when/if you do go down. Back in the 1970's Bruce Lee with the U.S. Military's special operations teams like the Green Berets and Navy Seals came up with a program to teach them hand to hand combat. To this day, Bruce Lee's techniques and program he developed is still taught to new recruits. But EVERY martial arts can help you become a more healthy, strong, disciplined, focused, and good person in life. Understanding the idea is to fight only as a last resort (because who you are fighting may have a weapon like a firearm and its now game over so learning how and when to fight or to retreat and escape to live another day is paramount in your training) That it is "sticks and stones" that hurt, not words. That it is always best to confront a threat on your terms, not theirs if you don't have to. Martial Arts may not, and I say may not teach you how to fight. But I think they do or can teach you how to live if you pay attention. :) As long as it isn't the Steaven Seagal style of martial arts relying on your stunt double because you're too overweight to do anything other than the "big butt attack" and think moving to Russia to avoid paying your taxes is actually a good idea in life. Because Russia is so awesome and have the best martial arts in the world (or cheapest stunt doubles). lol. :)

[@joechurilla9406]

Bruce Lee and the U.S. military? I think you're confusing The Green Hornet with the Green Berets. Lee never had any role in developing any hand-to-hand training program for the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy or the Little Sisters of the Poor. In the early'70's, he was finishing up his Hollywood TV career and moved to Hong Kong in 1971 to concentrate on movies. He died in 1973. When exactly did he have time to do this?Why is it you're the only person to mention this in the 50 years since he died? He had nothing to do with any country's armed forces. He was an influential guy. I think that he is overly lionized about how good he actually was. But please, stop making things up.