Why Modern Cartoons Avoid Morality

[@TheCrowReviewer]

Happy new years, here we are in the future and it's bright! 😆

[@Funtimefice1983]

Nice job

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@Funtimefice1983 Thanks, hope you enjoyed the holidays! 😁🍻

[@Funtimefice1983]

@@TheCrowReviewer i did, i hope you did

[@TheAnxiousOwl]

Not everyone grows up in under a year dude. Sometimes characters have different growth times and spurts. You gotta understand your naivity as a child before assuming it has to be the same for every series...

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@TheAnxiousOwl That's a fair conclusion, everyone's journey on the path to maturity is different but I'm not implying that I want every series to be the exact same. For me I'd just like those series that choose to tackle more serious topics like Amphibia to gradually explain to us the mindsets of their protagonists when they're changing instead of just drastically changing them on command. Anne would've killed Sasha if she wasn't stopped in their duel for example which is insane no matter how you look at it. Again, I know that it doesn't "ruin" shows when they ignore consequences but it does personally bother me. 🫡🥂

[@swolecole8899]

Finn probably didnt fully understand death until he killed fern, sure he knew that killing someone meant they were gone forever, but i doubt he realized how great the pain could be if you lost someone you care for, so now he thinks, "who am i hurting by proxy when i kill this person?" because the act of killing someone finally hurt him, finn realized that it could hurt others even if they werent the ones being killed.

[@chaos4654]

I think it's more so that he killed someone he really did not want to. Someone who was quite literally him until a short while ago.

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@swolecole8899 Wow dude, that's one of the best ways of breaking down Finn's frame of mind during the ordeal that I've seen, excellent work! 😯🥂

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@chaos4654 Lmao, yeah I'm sure the fact that it was literally himself played a part in awakening something deeper inside of him. 🤣👍

[@rickanimationsnewchannel]

erm...add a spoiler alert next time??? im watching adventure time on hulu???!?? jokes aside i could honestly care less about spoilers anymore as i did this to myself a lot but i didnt know fern would die

[@swolecole8899]

@ oh damn, my bad dude :(

[@otarimuradishvili5540]

Ah so someone finally brought up that topic. In their defense, in Adventure Time post apocalyptic land, survival may outweigh morality... we've been there once and are still today at some places on the planet

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@otarimuradishvili5540 Yeah, for sure! All things considered I think Adventure Time did a great job balancing the survival aspect of their universe with complex moral values post Season 8. 😁👍

[@kennethsatria6607]

And theres a lot of monsters and mutants

[@tpfoxCastro]

Also, during the entire video everyone just ignored the concept of "adrenaline" and the fact that contrary to Aang, not everyone has multiple episodes to think about the idea of killing the person that attacks you

[@hrs29]

In some respects that actually makes the subject of morality even more important, since that is a scenario when it is hard to maintain it. On the one hand, survival....On the other, the values you hold dear. If those values are actually important to you, where do you draw the line and say, "No, I would rather die than sacrifice belief"? And if you do choose to sacrifice your morals to survive, how does that impact you. It is very rich story telling opportunities.

[@Angel-Otk]

@@hrs29not hard, almost impossible. If you’ve watched the first 5 seasons of TWD you know people will always pick survival first 90% of the time at least

[@non-existent8837]

I feel like the problem with this argument is that we're judging the characters from the standpoint of Perfect Morals, like Aang. In ATLA, Aangs whole thing was being a pacifist and fully against violence. Finn, Luz, and Anne don't hold themselves to the same standards. Finn wanting to take his Father's life wasn't because he thought Martin was suddenly pure evil, it was because he is human and felt so angry at Martin that he almost killed him, but the episode still goes out of its way to tell us that revenge is not the correct path, with Finn not going through with it. Luz is the same, while she never tries to kill someone, she is never stated to want to hold herself to that high moral standard, even saying that she wished the collector had killed Belos when he had the chance. Along with that, Belos had been given many chances to redeem himself, to the point that only a little earlier in the episode he had rejected the Collector's proposal and continued on his attempted Genocide. Even in the scene where she lets him die instead of saving him, he spends it all trying to manipulate her into joining him in his genocide scheme. I think Anne is a similar story. In fact, of all these characters, Anne seems the most likely to do so, since Amphibia as a whole seems to be a world where death is very normal, which she would've grown accustomed to. In fact, she already had a kill count in season 1, having no problem with causing the explosion that killed the cannibal family. Her nearly killing Sasha was similar to Finn and Martin, she isn't an infallible moral pillar, she was so angry with Sasha that she had gotten physical with the guards earlier, her being blinded by anger to the point of nearly killing Sasha makes sense. And in terms of Andrias, that one was unintentional and done in the heat of Battle, I don't think she can be blamed there. I can definitely see where you're coming from with this, and these cartoons certainly could've done a more visible take on morality, but at the same time I don't think Aang should be used as an example of how every show should do it.

[@Dragon_Aoi]

I completely agree with ur comment. Honestly, I don't think this video really takes into account characters/people reacting differently or just having different morals. Or in the case of Luz and Anne, just reacting very humanly. Like, the characters in The Owl House and Amphibia all feel so human to me. Or interacting/reacting/acting because of their environments and situations shaped them. Which can be seen just in general. But esp. with Anne, Sasha, and Marcy; who all three already had their own baggage before coming to Amphibia, than got trapped in Amphibia, and basically grew up and became better people and/or people they were now happy they were. All 3 of the calamity trio and so many other characters (like the rest of the Hopper family) are so different and/or have so much stuff revealed about them by the end of the series. Besides, the world of Amphibia can very much be a world where death can be everywhere. Like the three main girls get put in prison(s), put in grave situations, etc. constantly. Frogs literally get scooped up by deadly birds and insects and other creatures quite suddenly. It is not the safest world. And this really affects the calamity trio and other characters. A similar thing happens with Finn and other characters in Adventure Time. They are living in a weird, deadly, crazy, magic-filled, post-apocalypse world. And Finn also has to deal with immortals (the Ice King, Marcy, PB are all really old); whose sense of morality is also weird because they are so old/basically immortal. Jake's family did pretty well (all things considered) raising Finn, but at the same time, the Dog family are still living the adventure time world, and can have some unique morality of their own. "I can definitely see where you're coming from with this, and these cartoons certainly could've done a more visible take on morality," I don't really agree, I think for what these series's were going for, what they decided to show and tackle was very good. Not everything has the the tackle the stuff same stuff; the same ways. For this video to say Adventure time took the easy out when it came to morality, or that other series's like Amphibia and The Owl House should have tackled morality like ATLA did I think just misses what these shows were actually going for, how morality and values of people can be different, and how much different environments can shape morals, values, how people act and react. Also literally just forgets these are human (or well, sometimes not actually biologically human, but more human in the sense, that a written to feel real, if that makes sense) characters making human choices, sometimes in very harsh situations. And you know, some of the characters are actual children. "but at the same time I don't think Aang should be used as an example of how every show should do it." I agree. Aang being a pacifist, who was raised in an environment where killing would be really hard for him, doesn't have to be something every other series and character should do. Why would Finn act like Aang would, considering some of the stuff I brought up about him. Same with Anne, considering some of the stuff I brought up about her. Same with Luz (who did actually give Belos a chance. More than Belos deserved, and even then, Belos will still trying to manipulate Luz to commit genocide with him until the very end. I love Aang and ATLA, but these characters and the people in this series don't always have the luxury to not kill foe or not try to kill foe to find an alternative. And even Luz did try with Belos, and they did actually find an alternative with Andrias in Amphibia. Some characters, finding an alternative, which Aang only really was able to do, because he find a God turtle that allowed him to use spirit bending, isn't really all that likely or possible. Like Belos and The Core.). Not everything or everyone needs to be like ATLA or to be like Aang (heck, while I love all 4 series's; The Owl House, Amphibia, ATLA, and Adventure Time, and think all series's are great, all 4 did some stuff better than the other(s). Because they are different shows; which they would be less different if they just decided to be like ATLA and Aang. And also, make less sense too. Because the worlds, world-building, morals, values, and the situations of the characters are different. Honestly, I don't really think this video was all that good personally. I find the arguments made to be pretty heavily flawed, and don't into account well, a lot of things honestly. That me, you, and others go over. Ur comment though, that I am replying to, was very good.

[@tokofukawap4055]

Also aang is literally a deity with infinite wisdom and power.

[@tpfoxCastro]

Also, another thing about Anne is that she is not a viewer like us. Anne didn't know that Sasha was holding back, Anne didn't realise Sasha was just swinging. In her mind she probably thought that Sasha was fighting the same way she was...If she was even thinking anything at all! With andrenaline of battle you never know!

[@estherhazina889]

And also Star from Star vs the forces of evil - she has got morality only about equal rights of mewmans and monsters, but she's also commit genocide of magical creatures!

[@anthonybonetti9979]

Yeah, people seem to forget one of Aangs defining traits. He's a monk. He was raised by monks, and his entire village was monks. So, not wanting to kill and hating killing was literally engraved into who he is at a young age

[@manuelk1853]

It's weird that people complain about the heroes killing the villains, because it's often the case in even children's shows since a long time. And it never questions their morality because they only kill in self-defense or because it's absolutely necessary to save the lives of other people. This doesn't change the fact of them having a "pure heart".

[@dansmith1661]

History always finds a way to punish people who spared the lives of others.

[@gryficowa]

The problem is that this is often not the case... And if you wanted to show it, over time the character would think "Did I have to kill him? Was it the right way?" (I just wish I could see it...)

[@knightsblight]

@manuelk1853 cause your a kid, or we're when you saw it, unless the writer specifically went out of his way more often than not killing wasn't necessary but was cool

[@wakkaseta8351]

It's backwards millenial/Zoomer softness. You can also thank things like Naruto's Talk-no-Jutsu for helping to make this attitude so prevalent.

[@gryficowa]

@@wakkaseta8351 Because maybe this trope is disgusting and harmful? If you assume that death is the only punishment for a villain, you have made a mistake...

[@NepstationYoutubeChannel]

Marceline's dad was pure evil. I can look past the near genocide of the candy kingdom, but stealing Marcelin's fries? That's a line I can't forgive anyone for crossing.

[@ThiagoAlfaro-ns7eh]

Imagine how hard getting fries is on the adventure time world ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@emeraldpichu1]

For Finn killing has always been an outlet for ignoring complex feelings and issues. It was the easy way out from the moment he lost his adopted parents and had to survive alone until Jake left his life of crime and took over raising Finn and adopted the same maladaptive outlook. Bubblegum took full advantage of it and while the complexity of life eventually sanded down his violent tendencies Jake passing put him back to square one and he became a murderous swamp hobo until his death presumably cutting everyone out of his life since he never learned how to live for himself without a destructive coping mechanism

[@oshkeet]

A good example of that is having so much respect for the Enchiridon. Finn obviously has a lot of respect for self-declared heroes and he certainly holds himself to traditional standards for heroes, but classic ones. It's not that he isn't GOOD but its more about following a specific kind of code than thinking about it; you could even say Bubblegum is smart enough to exploit that sometimes, or at least heavily leans on the whole knight/princess thing to her advantage. Meanwhile, especially when he's younger, Finn gets tripped pretty easily at anything he things is morally ambiguous. Compare to Jake (being the 'older' brother) who just kinda powers thru it that kind of thing unless its something really sketchy.

[@emeraldpichu1]

@ it’s sort like Dexter in that sense the code of heroes is a justification for engaging in violence than an actual moral standard Finn holds which is why nuance accountability and ambiguity always made him buckle

[@happyhippoeaters4261]

for Belos, Death was Inevitable, there wasn't another solution, he made sure of that. in order for him to live, he would always be a threat, and Philip was definitely long past his time to pass on, and I think Luz realized that in that moment. that Death scene works because it's the only punishment that actually matters to Belos, as long as he lives, he sees it as a way to rebuild. and it wasn't necessarily Just Luz, I feel the Titan himself was just done with them, and that was the Titans final wish, to see him die, and never return, as the Titan doesn't leave, until Belos is Truly dead.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

You can only give someone so many chances. Some just aren't going to take it and must be dealt with permanently if they persist. I feel sometimes people forget.

[@neonoah3353]

Also, luz didnt really kill belos, she stopped him, then everyone else who belos wanted to kill without any remorse went and stomped him. And tbh, he more than deserved it, he wanted to be a witch hunter, and wanted to kill everyone that wasnt human, even killing those who helped him, the irony being that he ended up becoming something thats not even human anymore, and killed humans just because, including his brother, who he then cloned and killed over, and over, and over, and over, and over... The amount of times he killed his brother is insane.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@@neonoah3353 I don't even care for that show but still I think people tend to overcomplicate or oversimplify moral dilemmas like that.

[@godofthecripples1237]

I wholeheartedly disagree. Death only needs to be treated like an important plot decision if it's a theme of the story. Avatar was all about and learning to be the Avatar without sacrificing his own identity and beliefs; a big part of that was his pacifism and refusal to take a life due to how he was raised. So, the series ends with him embracing that. That's not what Amphibia and The Owl House are about. Death isn't a major theme. So, there's no reason for us to assume the characters should be as impacted by the idea of killing someone as Aang would be. Sometimes people are faced with violent threats and they respond to it with their own violence. Not everyone views this the same way, especially naive kids.

[@tokofukawap4055]

Also belos and the core are genocidal and that's not something that should be redeemed

[@Justletoutascreamandshout]

ye

[@Dreamheart101]

I think Luz's actions make perfect sense. She's one of the most empathetic people ever, always going out of her way to protect her friends. Belos threated her and her friends like no other, and showed no signs of redemption. It's BECAUSE she cares so much she was okay with taking that step.

[@Antleredangelbun]

​@@Dreamheart101 Thank you for saying this, because it's exactly the way I view justice.

[@halfshinesketches]

@@Dreamheart101he also technically killed her

[@turtlehermit6047]

When Finn killed fern and came home.. Bmo says I know that face... You just killed someone. Meaning he has felt that way before.

[@pedroff_1]

Or has seen some other person in the same situation. Presumably, Moe

[@zy1058]

They killed people who deserved to die in owl house and amphibia And finn had a character arc it's really that simple

[@Lolo_225]

8:02 Luz spent a majority of the end of the show feeling guilty that she unintentionally helped Belos, she even asked papa titan if killing him would make her as bad as him and he just told her not that’s crazy, that’s why she killed him.

[@ShadowEclipex]

Plus Luz didn't even actually kill Belos.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

@@ShadowEclipexBelos even tries worming his way out of the execution by stating that he and Luz were better than everyone else in the Boiling Isles because they were human. Ironically, when they hardly looked the part. He still trying to manipulate her one last time. Only to be shut down by her family.

[@younggamer7218]

I feel that this comes from the larger culture around media relating to child heroes. It's a pretty simplistic morality where if the villain is evil there is a heavy chance of them dying. Especially to the protagonist who is very much a child hero as brought up in this video. Why is it like this? Too many to count and really bring up here without making this into an essay. But that's just my two cents

[@rainbowdash4898]

Luz didn’t deliver the final blow. Eda Raine and Kind did.

[@echidnanatsuki882]

In a way, she kinda did because she could've saved Belos by simply shielding him with her magic from the Acid Rain but she didn't and just let him burn. Plus, there's a possibility that Luz herself might have been the one who started the rain to begin with.

[@rainbowdash4898]

@ science speaks louder than empty lip service. Besides, the man had over 400 years to change his ways, but he made his choice.

[@goldra8377]

Luz didn't kill him but she didn't have to save a genocidal maniac ​@@echidnanatsuki882

[@WitchDimension]

Fin and Jake were basically knights or mercenaries. they only hunted the people terrorizing people.

[@lightingdragon4143]

I'm so sick of this dumb argument on whether or not heroes/protagonist killing the antagonist/villain is morally right or not or if they even should kill them or not. It depends on the setting, nature of the story, and situation. The superhero genre spent years/decades gaslighting and manipulating people into believing in the no kill rule no matter what the villians does. If Optimus Prime killed Megatron would anyone say that is wrong. If the GI Joes kill Cobra would anyone say that is wrong. If Link killed Ganon would anyone say that is wrong.

[@daniel-w9n9f]

Honestly I think it's kinda funny that when people think of superheroes they think of the no kill rule. The majority of them don't they just prefer to apprehend villains then execute a defeated enemy. Even when you look at the MCU they don't really bother with the morality of killing during fights and more the morality of civilian casualties and governmental control of superheroes

[@lightingdragon4143]

@daniel-w9n9f Yeah, when I said the superhero genre I was mostly talking about DC.

[@audreyharris7643]

@@lightingdragon4143 I mean batman not killing people fits his character but it just doesn't need to be something every superhero has

[@lightingdragon4143]

@@audreyharris7643 Exactly. I'm fine with Batman having a no kill rule but I absolutely hate it when he enforces it onto others.

[@afanwithtoomuchtime4375]

They don't avoid morality at all, they simply do not abide standard comic book morality, they use another model of right and wrong, clearly.

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

That's cus Finn was a kid at the beginning and have the moral values of a 12yo raised by two detective dogs, by the end of the series he's grown a lot since you can see him not wanting to slay Fern or PB to go to war instead finding another solution rather than fighting what he doesn't understand

[@kingdomkeycrafter]

9:08 actually, the writers intended for Aang to kill Fire Lord Ozai, but Nickelodeon did not allow this so they had to make a new ending which is what we got

[@Noctis-lg7xp]

He is alive in the comics though.

[@AllenGray47]

@Noctis-lg7xp and? they're meant to continue the franchise established by the SHOW

[@Noctis-lg7xp]

@@AllenGray47 In these works it always follows an order of what comes first starting from text based materials e.g., light novels to comics to animated series.

[@HardinProuductionsOriginal]

Right? 😂 ​@AllenGray47 what kind of argument was "he's still in the comics" That's a lack of common sense

[@HardinProuductionsOriginal]

​@Noctis-lg7xpanimated series came first you fool

[@Dragon_Aoi]

I have already wrote about some other issues I have this video, but here are some more issues. Andris is not the main and/or final villain for of Amphibia; he is a major villain, yes, but the even bigger villain, that even Andrias is under, is The Core/Darcy. Anne suddenly try to kill Sasha in S2 didn't come out of nowhere, Amphibia is a world where there is death around every corner sometimes. And Anne herself, before the S2 fight with Sasha, has almost died, fight, and even killed before. For God's sake cannibals tried to eat all of them, and Anne put a stop to that, more finally. Anne is not like Aang, and will fight and even kill when needed. All the the calamity girls honestly do. They are written to be flawed human teenagers, who develop to become better people and/or better versions of themselves and actually happy with themselves over the course of the series. They also develop to have a better, more healthy relationship with each other, because the series highly focuses on and highlights that their relationship with each other can be quite toxic, and this is also something they develop for the better. And the also develop themselves which allows for their relationship with each other to get better. Also, by the time of S2 fight with Sasha, Anne has already gone through a lot of stuff in Amphibia, feels angry and betrayed by Sasha (so she is lashing out an emotional human), and even though though Sasha is telling the truth (and I love Sasha, and Anne, and Marcy. And etc.), Anne, from her POV, understandably doesn't believe Sasha. Even though you understand and know Sasha and Grime's POV, and they are actually right in this case; Anne doesn't know their POV (completely) and doesn't know what they know and hasn't seen what they seen. And the two have had already had a pretty huge fight that ended in disaster. They are not yet at the point where they have truly shown just how much better they both are and how much they are grown both them as characters and their relationships. Which fully shows in S3. This fight, was a rocky patch. To say Anne trying to kill Sasha came out of nowhere or doesn't make sense for her character is just a wrong, bad take. As for Luz, as other people have said, Luz did give Belos a chance, and until the very end he was a manipulative monster who was trying to get Luz to commit genocide with him. Luz tried for an alternative, the alternative didn't work; Belos wouldn't stop, so he was killed. At that point, rather Luz tried to reach other to Belos or not, I think it would be fair for Luz to kill the person who had done so much horrible stuff, and was trying to commit genocide. But again, she did actually try, it just didn't work. Also, saying all that, Luz wasn't even the one that did the final blow against Belos in the first place. Some of ur comments make me wonder if u watched any of these series's tbh. Except maybe ATLA and MAYBE Adventure Time (I say maybe Adventure Time, because u kind of just ignore why Finn would actually have mature and develop to understand morality and death more, and actually feel more about it. Because you know, Finn is living in a post-apocalypse world with magic, immortals, a bunch of ways to die, and etc. The way Finn acts and the develops makes perfect sense for his world and character and the other characters). I love ATLA, but comparisons like these are weird and unfair and just wrong (imo) to other series's. Also, most of ur points; if not all ur points about series's mentioned (except like, maybe ATLA) were just wrong (imo) honestly. For reasons I go over here, in reply to other comments, and what some other people have said. And etc. U have the right to ur opinions ofc; I just personally don't really like or agree with this video.

[@Dragon_Aoi]

Also, as someone mentioned, what happened to Andrias when Anne and Andrias were fighting happened in the heat of a battle. They are literally in a war. And Anne has shown that she will sometimes do what it takes to survive, or just out of emotion, pettiness, being human, being a child/teen. She will get upset too though, and doesn't always for the kill, but she has been shown to not be super against it either. What happened between Andrias and Anne makes sense for both their characters and the situation they are in.

[@Antleredangelbun]

Holy shazzam I love this comment

[@Dragon_Aoi]

@@Antleredangelbun Ahhh, thank you.

[@audreyharris7643]

W comment

[@alex-el-boludo-10]

Im loving all the essay-worth comments on this video

[@Tomha]

Context is very important. The thing with Anne vs Sasha was that Anne was already betrayed by her best friend and gave them a second chance, only to be betrayed again. And now it's not just 1 person at risk, or even 1 group, but the entire kingdom. Sasha kept betraying her, not knowing the bigger villain around the corner, Anne reasonably thinks Sasha is THE villain and has to be stopped, one way, or another. Betrayal is a very insidious evil because it's not the enemy that betrays you, it's your friends and loved ones. I would say Anne was very justified in going for the kill, Sasha was a backstabber (Haha) and too much is at stake. And with the King giving up, yeah Anne could have gone easy on him, but at this point she's not gonna give him a chance to betray her twice. Characters like Anne and Luz DID try to moral route, but sometimes you can't reason your way out of a conflict. They did try, but it failed, especially with Luz and Belos. He was a fanatical witch hunter that murdered his own family for associating with them. Luz tried to reason with him, despite how constantly he harms her family and nearly kills her. She even wonders if she's any better than Belos cause she was willing to kill him to protect her family like how he was willing to kill EVERYONE to "save humanity." But Titan basically laughed and told her the two are nothing alike and she's crazy to think that. "You assume his goal comes from a genuine place. But that man doesn't care about anything but his need of being the hero of his own delusion."

[@tbhidk1257]

I've got to disagree with a lot of the examples at the beggining like the tree witch tried to reverse vore Jake (wich would prosumably kill him) in order to force Finn to find her a pretty womans hair by any means necesary (prosumably cutting another womans hair, you know... actual assault) and even at the end she said herself that she was going to use the hiar for evil. How exactly can you try to present her as just being a depressed woman. While Marceline obviosly wasn't evil I don't think there was nececarly any implication of her being that and she was literally trying to have Fin and Jakes be homeles with some dumb excuse that she owned everything because she scribed an M some hundreds of years ago. Are you trying to claim that Fin trying to fight her to stand his ground is immoral? Abadeer is the dumbest interpretation because he's more or less satan in adventure time, he claims he is the incarnation of chaotic evil, his goal in the episode is to consume the souls of everyone in Ooo (Idk how to spell the name of the world) and Fin was clearly unable to stop him so I don't think you can say anything about the way he finaly does that. First of all I don't see how it was that brutal and second even if it was that's the only way Fin was able to do it. Lastly I don't think Fin was going to kill Martin he was probably just going to do the arm for an arm thing wich is honestly a fitting punishment, we know Martin is a terible person even though you can't quite call him evil. I'm also confused of the implication that intimidating the undead creature to do the splits is less moral than slaying it. Also him questioning wether they should give ice kings heart back also is because ice king is pretty objectively evil and back then they didn't know his backstory as Scimon. Ovarall I do agree that Fins morality changes but I disagree with the notion in the video that adventure time wasn't exploring morality until the last season.

[@XohjaiSbarkeater]

00:12 fin tried to help the "depressed old women" at first, who actually turned out to be evil. Jake even says it in the clip. 00:20 Marceline stole their home multiple times before they got violent. 00:50 Finn was defending the entities of OOO that were literally having their souls stolen from them. He didn't even kill Hudson Abadeer, that slicing of his "face sacks" was him freeing all the souls consumed iirc. Adventure time is so chock-full of moral lessons, It's not even funny. There's actually a general theme of all life being precious throughout the whole show. Even the ants Hudson Abadeer steps on have souls. In the beginning of the show, there is definitely a lack of care for life on Finns part, but that ultimately plays into his character arc later on in the series. Clickbait/complete lie of a title and ultimately a giant yap.

[@funnysillycat2355]

I agree he just dances around the topic that he brings up and cherry picks/ misrepresents the context in the show. bad essay from this dude

[@fracture6999]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!? Luz didn’t kill Belos. She walked away. Eda, Raine, and King killed him. If anything he killed himself. How would she have saved him

[@fracture6999]

Also calling Fire Lord Ozai far more ruthless than Belos combined with Andreas is utterly insane. Did you watch Owl House??? Yes Fire Lord Ozai was gonna incinerate the earth kingdom. He planned to kill his brother to become firelord and basically did get his wife to kill his father, and emotionally damaged his children and burned one of them…. And Belos has done literally all of this except the father part but arguably WORSE Belos killed his own brother himself with a knife when he fell in love with a witch. Survived for ages taking advantage of people and sabotaging and leading people to their death or leaving people behind as soon as he had what he needed. Then made a continuous amount of clones of his brother and hurting and killing them any time they went against him. Not to mention the thousands of palisman that Belos killed to consume for himself. He scarred Hunter himself and was gonna kill him and possessed him. He was literally planning GENOCIDE of an entire Race! Like are you insane!?!?! We don’t even have it confirmed that Fire Lord Ozai actually killed someone in his life!! Has he most probably even some of his own men probably but he literally pales in comparison to what Belos has done and would do. You’re literally insane for that take. Sorry but my goodness

[@raheemaslam7363]

I pretty sure the boiling rain was implied to be Luz’s doing

[@admiralmonocle3874]

​@@raheemaslam7363 Boiling rain is completely natural to the Boiling Isles tho. So what makes you think that she made it happen?

[@kennethsatria6607]

I mean I kind of probably wouldn't, they made a good effort making him a parasitic bastard

[@Dragon_Aoi]

@@fracture6999 Also, just forgets that the Core/Darcy was also a villain in Amphibia, and was a HUGE threat, to the point where Andrias, while a great (and a sympathetic one) villan and character, was basically working under the Core, and was the lesser evil. Which, Ozai is also not far more ruthless than The Core. The Core has been destroying/sucking the life out of worlds for many years. To the point where the Core is made of many of different people who have died. And Andrias, until he decided finally had enough The Core and his father, had been helping The Core (again, I don't really think he was super happy about it a decent amount of the time. But he did help). Ozai is ruthless and has done terrible stuff, but he is not more ruthless and hasn't done worst stuff than either Belos or The Core.

[@GodEmperor1981]

I always saw Finn as a representative of the old heroes that did many horrible mistakes and immoral acts like Jason or Beowulf.

[@SSnoIdontWantOne]

Luz didn't kill Belos. She took a Batman approach of "I don't have to kill you but I don't have to save you either" and left him to the train he decided to crash. The rain was already killing him in a wonderful twist of the world itself rejecting him, she doesn't kill him and the boiling isle residents step up and make sure it is in fact his end this time.

[@tpfoxCastro]

About the Anne fight, I think people forget what adrenaline is. Anne is fighting a person that hurt her and is dangerous in her eyes, she is angry, the person she's fighting has two swords, of course she's goinng to go for fatal swings, it's instict. Anne doesn't realise where Sasha is aiming, she probably thought that Sasha was fighting the same way she does, why wouldn't she? Anne fought multiple monsters in the world of Amphibia, it is the same thing as Finn, if all your enemies were monsters what's your reaction when your enemy is more human-like (or just human in Sasha's case). Anne doesn't realise she's going for fatal blows and if she did kill her, she WOULD have felt guilty, I'm 100% sure of that. With Belos, the same thing could be said. This barely-human monster just tried to destroy everything Luz loves and he is already dying to the boiling rain (though it might have been summoned by Luz herself). The only way to stop Belos is to kill him, Luz HAS killed before in the show, she's part titan and the act is justified. This mixed with all fantastical this all is...Yeah, it's very easy to disassociate. And that's what I think it's happening in all three shows. The characters, in the heat of battle, thanks to all of their previous experiences in the world they are, simply disassociate when going for a kill. Everyone, including you, Mr.Crow, is forgetting that these characters are children being put into fantasy scenarios filled with adrenaline. Seeing people judging every move, analysing sword swipes and actions like that are obviously not fully thought off by the characters commiting them is just stupid. I'm a enthusiast of over anylising , but there's a limit, which is thinking much further than the goddamm character you're analysing in the first place! Modern Cartoon's DON'T avoid morality. Adventure Time was used an example when in the video itself it's mentioned that it doesn't avoid morality (plus it's 6 years old). Both TOH and Amphibia explore morality, but of course, you wouldn't know that because from this video it's clear that you haven't actually watched those two, seeing how you called a show that ended more than two and a half years ago "new" and only foccused on the climatic final battle. Also, the avatar comparision is idiotic. It's not that Avatar the show didn't kill the fire lord, Aang didn't. There are multiple characters that would've in his case. Aang doesn't kill, he is a pacificst, it makes sense that he finds another way. He is not in a different, fantastical, new world that feels unreal like Luz and Anne. He never directly killed anyone directly, they did, and after the first kill more become easier. Aang killing the fire lord doesn't make sense for his character, he is very opposed to the idea and he is given a lot of time to think about it. With the other characters, they either are accostumed to the idea and have their actions reenforced (Finn) or they don't have time to think about their actions' full extent (Luz and Anne). If Aang was in TOH he wouldn't have killed Belos, if early Finn was in Avatar he would've killed the fire lord, because it's not that the show is just "better", it's that the characters are different.

[@audreyharris7643]

THANK YOU Though amphibia an toh are more recent shows

[@daniel-w9n9f]

Also the only reason why Aang didn't kill the fire lord was because cartoon network didn't want to show him killing someone so ironically his entire argument hinges on the fact that the show runners were willing to show even for a pacifist like Ang he will still cross that line if there is no other way and the studio shot it down.

[@alex-el-boludo-10]

​@@daniel-w9n9f*Nickelodeon not CN, but damn. I didnt knew that fact-

[@audreyharris7643]

@@daniel-w9n9f very interesting

[@daniel-w9n9f]

@@alex-el-boludo-10 sorry my bad I get them mixed up sometimes

[@longWriter]

Thanks for this thoughtful examination of these cartoons' takes on killing villains and the morality thereof. TBH, it's crossed my mind that, if I were sucked into a fantasy world like this, my first instinct would be to kill whatever villains were causing problems, as there's another layer of morality to letting them live: to let them live is to let them cause more havoc. To kill them is to make sure they're never a threat to yourself or anyone else ever again. Sounds ruthless, I'll admit, but the alternative has its dangers too, both moral and practical: if the villain you spared went on to slaughter a village, would the blood of that village be partly on your hands as well, since you could've prevented it by killing the villain when you had a chance?

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Especially when they refuse to ever be redeemable. How much death there has to be before they ever do? Would it even be worth it? It's something we tend to overthink imo sometimes.

[@kyzit8458]

Thats why they should have a process and be sentenced. One person shouldnt decide about life and death if he doesnt have to.

[@willyvereb]

That's such binary logic. For starters, why you, a random person transported to this other world, have the responsibility to bear the burden of everything. Awfully pretentious of a stance. We aren't gods, we aren't absolutes. We don't decide who has to die. Even if you can argue that your action is morally correct... do you actually have the mindset for it. What will the action bring to your psyche? Finn is actually a great example of that. He used murder to escape complex dilemmas in such situation and by Season 10 he learned his "simple" decision bears a heavy weight. That being said in a war aiming to kill when exchanging blows is not exactly that feel. That being said, teenagers (if that) go through such trauma in these shows which would break many adults. The psychological burden of these decisions and the consequences down the line are hardly considered. At times like this I remember Mob Psycho which dares to ask questions like "Hey, isn't it fucked up to put life and death battle and the safety of his friends on the emancipated shoulders of an awkward teenager?".

[@longWriter]

@@willyvereb Reading your first paragraph, I thought to myself, "I see what you're saying, and it does sound pretentious when you put it that way, but for some reason, these narratives where someone gets yoinked into another world almost _always_ end with them having to save that world from some villain, whether the yoinked individual wants that responsibility or not. Not sure why." ...Then I realized: I am so too sure why: it's because those make the stories interesting!

[@willyvereb]

@@longWriter If saving the world makes your story interesting then you need to work on your character writing, your worldbuilding and so forth. Even if you say this is a story meet for prepubescents the worst thing you can do as a writer is to treat them as stupid.

[@fvvcccc4307]

It has been mentioned many times that Jake has a criminal past. Which explains his actions.

[@EmperorMatticusII]

Vampires, mutants, Necromancers, demons, zombies, talking forest creatures, witches, and just general monsters….Finn had EVERY right to want to slay EVERYTHING he saw.

[@wordswithdragons9599]

Honestly this reminds me a lot of Claudia from The Dragon Prince (another fantasy kids cartoon). Despite the fact that almost every character in that show, protagonist and antagonist, has a body count, Claudia stands out for her deep silliness, love for her family, appreciation of cuteness... and simultaneous willingness to murder basically anyone who gets in her way while insisting that she's still a good/nice person. This is complicated further by the series constantly questioning what makes someone a monster / who and what is okay to kill (and how) and the cycle of violence that can unfold. One of my favourite things in the latest season was that one of the core 'good guy' protags, Rayla, is an untested assassin who found herself unable to kill. While her actions and mercy led to a lot of good, the rest of her fellow assassins perished in the mission, and she's held accountable by their family members while still carrying on themes of rehabilitative > punitive justice. Other characters, like Claudia's brother who defected, are also forced to confront their tendency to split people more cleanly into "this person is evil" (their father) vs "this person is good" (himself) and to learn how to live in the greys / that most actions, like murder, assassination, magically motivated mutilation, etc. are circumstantial rather than inherently moral or not moral.

[@HoplooWare]

Is the first example of this "KILLING *ALWAYS* BAD" video seriously the 'depressed old woman' who was violently attacking Jake in a way comparable to SA so as to extort a 12 year old into stealing women's hair for her?

[@DanDoG]

Adventure time is a digested version of life itself animated in a light hearted way people can grasp. Philosophical, psychedelic show

[@HardinProuductionsOriginal]

Except it isnt immoral to eliminate which that is pure evil. In adventure time there were hundreds of different entities that were. The issue was that Finn was normalized to this and numb, so the whole Fern thing had to make him be more careful about the decision he makes. There are things out there that is truly pure evil and to claim theres no such thing as a "pure evil villain" is Disneyism at its finest. Its stupid and boring

[@burner555]

You realize most Disney villains are pure evil

[@audreyharris7643]

@burner555 a lot of people criticize Disney for not having good villains especially pure evil ones anymore

[@doct1400]

I haven't watched Adventure time but I have seen the other two. Worth noting that Luz couldn't finish the job with Belos and ultimately that probably would have cost her. Aant just had the plot save the crap out of him and even his past selves were like 'That's BS!."

[@franciscohcoronado4947]

I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said in other comments here (better than I could, too). I'll just say that the idea of morality being... flexible is not that uncommon in many animated properties. Characters like Aang and Steven Universe are straight up pacifists and they explicitly state so, but if taking lives really is supposed to be the gauge for a characters morals or purity, let's not forget that Goku (in og dragon ball, at least) was considered to be one of the most pure-hearted characters on Earth despite having a kill count that reached triple digits by the time he was fifteen.

[@annonymousannonymous9586]

Sadly Morality is not all Black & White, it's countless shades of grey.

[@ericm.8110]

Yes and no. Morality is a good thing. I mean, killing someone is wrong. (Unless it is a serious criminal who has been sentenced to death) If we delve into history, then I agree with you. Nobody saw themselves as the bad guy. During the Second World War, the Axis powers didn't see themselves as the bad ones, and I wouldn't describe the Allies as the good ones either. Both sides saw themselves as the good guys, but they both sucked. And you can actually apply that to every single war.

[@TheMythicalS]

Luz did not kill Belos, she just stood silently and watched King, Eda, and Reine kill him

[@failedatmakingasandwich423]

Kipo's ending was also unexpectedly brutal. Leaving the villain locked up with an entity to go insane, and I think they didn’t have any food either. I was like, woah the protags are okay with this?

[@52flyingbicycles]

Both Belos and Ozai were guilty of attempted genocide (on top of many many other crimes) which gets you a death penalty IRL. But qualms against killing were more of an ATLA thing. Plus, technically Luz didn’t finish the job, she let her friends do the final curb stomping. I think Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions put it best on why Aang couldn’t kill Ozai. He wasn’t just the last airbender physically, but the last member of his pacifistic culture. How could he truly rebuild that culture if the first brick was smashing Ozai into a pulp? Moreover, the airbenders weren’t killed because they were too physically weak, they were killed because Sozin was evil. This is emphasized Ozai says “you’re weak, just like the rest of your people. They didn’t deserve to live in this world, in *my* world!” This *after* Aang had the shot. He redirected Ozai’s lightning and had it pointed right at Ozai’s heart. In that moment, Ozai was afraid. But Aang shot it harmlessly into the distance and Ozai smiled. Aang was not physically incapable of killing him, but morally incapable. And Ozai saw that as weakness. Not just in Aang, but in all the airbenders. In defeating Ozai with energybending, which requires spiritual enlightenment rather than raw strength, Aang showed that the airbenders don’t get to survive merely because they are strong enough to kill/seek vengeance against those who would destroy them, but had innate value beyond their capacity for violence.

[@marrav3794]

In defense of TOH, I'd like to point out a few things. Obviously spoilers for its ending. Belos had shown multiple times that redemption was NEVER an option. Any time that he was on screen he was either hurting others or lying to the Isles. He was a sociopath even in his final moments when he tried to lie his way into "forgiveness" without ever acknowledging what he had done. He'd killed his own brother and continuously cloned him, put the Isles into a dictatorship that prioritized weakening their natural powers against him, and cut very specific resources to wild magic like sigils, texts, and palisman wood (this is a tactic used in other historical events like the N*zi regime). He was even prepared to kill Luz multiple times and basically succeed once if not for King's father. I argue that Belos was not just an enemy but a very real person that could, and DOES, exist in reality. I'm not exactly an ATLA fan but I feel that the argument of "Ang should've killed Ozai" was definitely prominent at the time. Besides this fact, Luz herself never killed Belos. The ones that killed him were the ones effected by his tyranny the most- a wild witch, a titan, and a coven head/rebellion leader. As for the "where did this come from" argument- it was teased from the very beginning. The pacing was just rushed due to the behind the scenes work with execs cutting things insanely short. There were multiple times that Luz gave characters chances at redemption and succeeded in taking a more pacifist approach- Collector and Hunter immediately come to mind. However, when a character refuses to accept help- like Kikimora or Odalia- they just aren't helped. Those characters actively choose to be an enemy by snapping all olive branches passed their way. Luz had to come to terms multiple times that not everyone could be redeemed, and in Hunter's case redeemed so easily.

[@jf_kein_k8590]

This videos topic is comparing apples to oranges.

[@HoraKoi]

Fair take, but personally, I end my enemies fully, I gotta make sure they don't come back 😊

[@AliceTheSpider]

I don't think this is avoiding morality at all

[@СтражПеченек]

0:13 SHE'S LITERALLY DOING VORE CONTENT™ WITH HIS OLDER BROTHER WITHOUT HIS CONSENT

[@frasina3401]

🫵🤨

[@aliceberethart]

Showing situations, the result of possible ways to react to those situations, and the outcomes of those reactions- helps with critical thinking and personal growth.

[@pensador6953]

0:45 dude, the others were also evil. Bad exemples. the "depressed old woman? Evil witch, apparently magic turns you crazy in Finn's world Marceline, vampire also stolen their house twice, plus thye just met her at the time. and Hunsen Abadeer? Once Finn said he was good, dude hissed at him. seriously you need better exemples or you come off as bad faith.

[@dapper-alcremie460]

Is adventure time really modern though (crazy I’m saying this ngl)

[@copyright-hv6en]

bit of a correction, luz didn't kill belose, she only stopped him and his plan, but also made sure he couldn't leave without facing the consequences of his actions, giving the people who he impacted the most get the finishing kill, the witches and titan, in this case luz never killed anyone, at the same time tho didn't stop others from killing

[@julialugo629]

I need to know where I can find more art of those cute peridot things! 🥺💚

[@Hanmacx]

Nightosphere: lawful evil Lich: chaotic evil

[@EchoTense01]

This is why I genuinely love Adventure Time so much.

[@commenteroftruth9790]

was this video made by an ai? Adventure time tackles morality. It just isnt done in some plain text way. It is also a fictional world where exact logic doesnt apply to existences, and magic and madness are a core aspect of reality itself.

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@commenteroftruth9790 No AI used and literally everything you said is included within the first 4 ½ minutes of this video... 😅🥇

[@SilverScribe85]

I hate the fact society's adopted the "grey version" of morality these days, especially in media. Gone are classic villain motivations like Lex Luthor wanting to kill Superman so HE would be Metropolis' big shot, Joker wanting to kill for the chuckles or Thanos wanting half the universe dead just to please Lady Death. Instead, characters MUST have some form of reason for their actions. Now, I don't mind the idea of moral complexities...but it all depends on the CHARACTER that's being used. A character like Thanos, (who's nickname is the MAD TITAN, BTW) shouldn't be turned into some idiot with a hero complex with a flawed plan for "perfect balance." Kevin the Assistant from Dorkly said so himself that his actions destroyed the main cause of starvation and poor resources on Earth. SUPPLY CHAINS!

[@Emz_yelevele]

Even outright evil character with lack of mortality have reasons, you just listed them. The issue is that media is too scared to portray ANYBODY as NOT sympathetic and that sometimes the characters don't feel mature enough to the public. Thanos' original reason (liters a crush) probably would have gotten reactions like "the writing's so cliché and immature" unless they made him a silly villain. It's hard to make a villain both threatening and with a seemingly silly reasoning. I agree we still need villains that aren't morally grey, but we also should think on why changes are made. If you have idea how Thanos doing it for his crush on Lady Death could be executed to seem mature enough for live-action audiences then I'd be glad to hear it. I myself struggle with imagining it without previous establishment of WHY she's so important to him.. Which probably was never tackled I presume? Didn't read the comics.

[@kennethsatria6607]

Idk man versions of Lex or Thanos who have such massive egos and savior mentality that they wanna force down people's throats are very much evil, its only grey to the uneducated and in their own minds. Or like the people who hail Joker as a tragic relatable hero, when he really ain't outside of certain elseworlds exploring that path specifically with major rewriting and changes.

[@SilverScribe85]

@@Emz_yelevele People might claim that Thanos' crush was "immature" but not if he has the same nihilistic outlook Rick Sanchez does, where he sees life as meaningless and thus must be extinguish. This, in HIS mind would seem like a turn on for Lady Death

[@SilverScribe85]

@@kennethsatria6607 But what about Thanos

[@Emz_yelevele]

@@SilverScribe85 You do realise that many adults that watch these movies won't think this through? Marvel is trying to appeal to adults and parents, and they often tend to not analyse perspectives they don't understand. It's easier to make the villain have a flawed "good" idea rather than hoping the viewers to see this situation as deeper than "purple man has a crush on a girl that doesn't like him".

[@TGWTGCensored]

Okay, I'm confused - I thought the problem with modern cartoons was that they have *too* much morality? What, with Luz preaching the importance of "being yourself" and Molly McGee spreading joy and positivity?

[@SoulHero7]

There's a difference between shoving morality down someone's throat, and not having any morality at all. There's a middle ground where the morals are there in the characters and plot and they respect the audience enough to digest it on their own. We're complaining about that middle ground getting so small that it's almost non-existent.

[@audreyharris7643]

​@@SoulHero7tbh I didn't get that from this video

[@audreyharris7643]

I thought Molly McGee positively was nice

[@Thoralmir]

Luz didn't finish off Belos, Eda and Rain did.

[@Nutshellbound]

Exactly one minute in (and i like to make observations as things go on). Finn is a child. Extremely badass, but still literally a child. Also how would you damage a nonhuman entity with no identifiable organs? By doing as much gross damage as possible, that's how. Now continue... No excuses for Hunson Abadeer. That guy was a prick.

[@TheAnxiousOwl]

it's called character development.

[@danielkim1024]

i guess it make sense, finn back then was all about killing evil, until time change and he learned the way of being a hero in the land of ooo wasnt easy and he found out why billy retired of being a hero

[@shok9396]

I think you really only need to cover the morality of killing in a show if that theme is tied to the plot or characters in some way. With Avatar it made sense to focus on that theme because Aang’s aversion to killing was a pre-established part of his character. The point of that conflict was about how could Aang defeat Ozai, someone who seemly needed to be killed to be stopped, without sacrificing his morals. In a series where that isn’t one of the central themes, it doesn’t need to be focused on.

[@jocap3837]

"I know that look! You just killed someone." -BMO

[@55justin.]

Luz didn't kill belos she just let him die. if anyone killed belos it would be king, rain, and eda

[@ixiahj]

These show remind me of the original Peter Pan. Not the Disney Peter Pan but the original one where Peter is depicted as so innocent that he kills pirates like killing off npcs in a video game or how Mario killed that first Goomba in the first level of Super Mario on the NES.

[@lukemabe9380]

Alright, two minutes in and I'm already lost. Season 1 Finn was peak. You make it sound like killing in defense of yourself or others is wrong. Enjoy this 21st century, western civilization that has afforded you the luxury of never having to kill or have your life be put in danger due to someone unable to be reasoned with.

[@ithoughtso.7016]

These things shouldnt be sugarcoated tbh. To treat death as something bad is to ignore the fact that we're all going to face it. People should be prepared for it, rather than despairing because of it.

[@johnmichaelreyes4577]

I love watching Adventure Time along side Gravity Falls. This shows have serious topics hiding behind a kid show.

[@porkyblack6396]

3:42 he was fully convinced that it was martin he attacked and when he was trying to take his arm he stopped meaning he would have stopped if it was martin or not

[@andrewcollins2060]

The thing about enemies is that leaving one behind you is a bad idea. You can try to make peace all your life but some people just see you and others as something to step on for various reasons mainly ego. People like this almost never learn anything and to solve their social problems they build hierarchies and dictatorial pockets of control throughout societies. In these environments you have to pretend to be everyone's friend while everyone has a knife in the hand hiding behind their back. Everyone is always looking for weaknesses to exploit and form "cliques" to watch each others backs and vouch for characters. Gossip and slander are the tools these people use and the massive amount of gatekeeping and key holders that are employed is enough to sicken you.

[@Steve_Minecraft555]

I've seen lots of people on the internet twist the morality of anime, but nobody bats an eye on that for some reason.

[@dragonoverlord2010]

To quote Yoko Taro of Nier fame, "You don't have to be evil to kill someone, you just have to believe you are right".

[@sharkt9877]

5:10 I think that’s why. He was to solve stuff as quick as possible. Finn is pure hearted. Without a push he might’ve never killed anyone

[@anime_world6684]

I have to admit As much as Jake was hilarious for his lack of morality to make life easy. Sometimes it made me mad when it’s not called for. It’s the only problem I have with the Simon petrikov reveal

[@Pinetree-e7h]

I never thought Luz killed Belos, the boiling isle itself and the consequences of his actions did (pissing off the residence of the boiling isle), yes she stood and watch him die but dude got a chance to redeem himself, he still choose not to, i think she was the judgement so to speak, i do like the trio ended him since they all suffered in the long term bcs of him.

[@AugustDX]

In a world where we are just human you have to take good with bad, a life that passes in to death and people who will either love you or not understand you. No mater what age you are or who you want to be choices are what define the person you are; their are no good or bad choices just weather or not you can live with the ones you have made. Make the most of your existence is what adventure time has taught me.

[@blackcatcrew6965]

I think that the common thread being they're all emotional adolescent human characters easily explains this for me, most of them are flawed like that such as with Anne or haven't really matured all that well like with Finn so it just makes sense that killing wouldn't be that hard of a choice

[@LegendaryGamerX-s4s]

I loved watching adventure time during my childhood years. It was an amazing show to watch whenever I got bored. It’s pretty crazy how Finn would just mercilessly kill anyone who was supposedly evil without knowing their true backstories that made them villains in the first place. Also Happy New Year TheCrowReviewer. I hope you had a good Christmas and enjoyed the New Year celebration.

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@LegendaryGamerX-s4s What's up, bro! 2025 is gonna be hype, no worries lots of more Steven Universe content planned. Just felt strongly about this topic and wanted to talk about it! 😁👍

[@LegendaryGamerX-s4s]

No problem. I thought because since you talked about so much Steven Universe content, you needed to talk about something else that was more interesting. Adventure time was a great show with many different characters and stories, along with each episode being better than the last.

[@paxtonjordan8009]

Fantastic video and also love the background music

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@paxtonjordan8009 Thank you so much, I appreciate that! The BGM is all from Danganronpa V3, one of my recent obsessions! 🤩🎧

[@Dragon_Aoi]

Wouldn't really call all that good of a video myself, but I do personally just really disagree with the kind of arguments used in this video. So other people can like the video, even if I don't.

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@Dragon_Aoi That's alright, thanks for watching anyway and if it gives me any points I make all of my videos using my android phone only but in 2025 I suppose that's not as impressive. 😅👍

[@RETR0NIAN]

First time watching you, really good video, but I just didn’t really understand what the little cuts with the odd designed steven universe characters

[@uneditg6848]

for luz, she didnt kill belos. the boiling rain did. and for anne in amphibia, he argubley yk whated himself. anne was going at super speed trying to break his armor, not kill him.

[@sKryly1]

The Owl House was supposed to have at least another season, but they had to wrap it up quickly or leave the story unfinished.

[@spontaneousweirdoo5928]

im sorry but do you people know what kind of world finn lives in?

[@ShadowEclipex]

Luz didn't kill Belos. Eda, Raine and King did.

[@mladen7641]

Your art style is so cool.

[@aurahoneydew9607]

Nah he's in the right its a frieren situation where the only people triggered are people who have been fed too much "modern writing" and "subversion".

[@TheCrowReviewer]

@@aurahoneydew9607 That sounds... I'm from the Caribbean where things are a lot more simple so I promise you that this isn't a political video or a statement on "Modern Hollywood". I'm speaking up for the side of people like myself who find it weird that some of these cartoons don't address such a massive aspect of their stories. 😅👍

[@ryankunst668]

I clicked on this thinking "what old cartoons got into morality?" thinking of cartoons like Loony Tunes and OG Scooby-Doo. Then you brought up ATLA and I was like "Oh I'm just old now." Unrelated, this video made me think of a great quote from Gandalf in The Fellowship of the Ring: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give that to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."

[@denniszaychik8625]

Um, you do know that Aangs morality is one of the weakest aspects of the original avatar the last airbender series writing right? Personally I disagree with the majoritys view on the final fight but they definitely could have added more depth and substance in the seasons regarding Aang and his morals.

[@ArcLite-s1m]

Interesting premise! Wish I could understand a word you're saying!

[@clairemercer3099]

Finn started out as a child being raised by another child Jake. Without proper direction of course Finn being messed up.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

This is a good dilemma to get back to

[@Mayo_Nayoo]

Luz didn't kill Belos....that man killed himself! and the rain and Ragne+Eda+King stomped him out

[@dalu1198]

i get the point of the video but i think it's a bit generic saying "modern cartoons" when Steven Universe who people were desperate asking the show to kill someone because it was always redemption arcs is also a modern cartoon

[@EdgeLie]

Some characters are just more fine with others, it doesn't mean they lack morals or anything some just use it if they deem it necessary, many feel guilt for their first kill, but many don't it's not unnatural(if it was our ancestors would be vegan), although it does feel like a bit too many are just fine with it

[@chronred8190]

not going to lie i tend to be a big fan of the best solution; notthe easiest one, not the most good one, the one that is the best all around the board, even if it is not perfect in any area

[@Mr.Unknown-e5c]

Actually the villain the villain of amphibia is an AI that was created by king Andres assisters and the the AI corrupted his entire family including him.

[@Dragon_Aoi]

Not an AI, The Core was technology, yes, but it was technology that housed all of Amphibians' "greatest minds" (from The Core and/or Andrias' Father POV), and Marcy for awhile (henece Darcy). The Core had existed for a long time. Long before Andrias and long before Andrias' father (who became apart of The Core). It did corrupt Andrias and his family in a sense, but not really in the way u are describing. But yes, u are correct, that main, final villain of Amphibia was The Core.

[@raphaelst-hilaire3669]

ang was a chad he chose the hardest way the mercy one

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Why Modern Cartoons Avoid Morality momentum 100

[@gryficowa]

That's why we should appreciate "Megamind" (The first part...) even more for breaking this trope (Unfortunately... The film was not popular because it was made many years too early)

[@denniszaychik8625]

Shows and story telling dont need to be mature or layered. In fact they never were. Ancient myths and fairytales without censorship after hearing this: "Are we some kind of joke to you?"

[@al3xm3rc3r0]

pft, you know tom and jerry from old era?

[@CornelisquandaleHigglebottom]

I have a feeling that this shall blow up