Why NC is Strongest Faction in Planetside 2

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[@ZealousVidya]

Subscribe for more! I recorded this over a month ago just after getting COVID so I sound like I'm dying, apologies lul

[@magorostravsky5732]

It sound like you Are recording during night And don't want wake up others (whoever it can be)

[@Flubbred]

As a long time player myself, it's surreal to see how strong the NC are when in the past they were quite weak. But to me it's about how fun a faction is to play and to me it will always be NC.

[@sillybilly121212]

What changed? SAW is same as it ever was.

[@Flubbred]

@@sillybilly121212 I honestly don't know. But NC in the past were barely winning anything. There still were some of the strong weapons for though.

[@nitokagaminen9660]

@@sillybilly121212 most of NC heavy gunner don't use saw because that gun is stupid inaccuracy

[@J-2121]

@@sillybilly121212 the arsenal update buffed quite allot of attachments people use now you get to see a significant recoil decrease if you slap a compensator an a grip to your saw. The result is quite broken

[@sillybilly121212]

@@J-2121 you could always add a compensator and vert grip

[@DemonKnight94]

When it comes to who is the "strongest" faction let me give an example from a different game: In Tekken 7 for example a character named Jin has been seen to be considered top tier on most skilled and pro players tier lists. However in ranked matches Jin has some of the worst winrates amongst the general playerbase. The opposite for the char Gigas who sucks, but has relatively good winrates amongst the general playerbase. So you cannot just look at the best players when deciding what faction is the strongest.

[@Kreasddjb]

Lol dude, thats only true for a hard competetive games, for planetside its how it should be

[@softwarenogood]

I completed agree about not judging what faction is the best based on a few “high skill=high reward” weapons. I play on Nc PS4 and I am probably one of the last PS4 Leaders who can sustain a high performance team. The truth is that there aren’t enough players who like piloting, and even on Outfit Operations our reaver pilots get out skilled. The Potential of the Anti-Infantry Close Range Max can only be achieved if there are 3 or more teammates around it. Most Players don’t use Max and when they do they don’t understand that they can’t run Up on multiple enemies without having multiple teammates by their side. In this video Kami sounds more like a salty solo vet, since real leaders know how to appreciate what is easy and fairly rewarding. With that being said I think Nc is the hardest and most rewarding for high skilled solo players. For the common team players who wants to win without sweating so much I recommend Vs. Tr is in the middle which gives it the most variety under the leader who trains both solo and team players. There is no best faction that applies to everyone.

[@zhd7281]

I think it is more about error tolerance. Most features that NC has emphasis a lot on being tanky, like their MAX shield and vanguard shield so that they are more likely to survive in a fight, and they have a lot of shotguns that does not seriously need to aim for head. All of these make NC equipments relatively easier to wield than the other two factions'. Perhaps for the top players it doesn't make much difference, but in a war where average players becomes the majority, the edge of NC appears.

[@GenericUserName443]

But when talking about larger scale then other factors start to play in, like the TR Prowler being the hands down strongest by far when in greater numbers due to the sheer combined firepower they bring, NC Vanguards does not get that force multiplier with their shields which does pretty much nothing under those circumstances. Vanu Mags got the by far best mobility and can kite and cause havoc from unexpected angels rather easily. All factions have their own niché where they are a bit stronger than the other two, and that is fine.

[@JACKAL98]

Nah vs easiest faction to play, no bullet drop faster handling

[@softwarenogood]

@@JACKAL98true

[@patlecat]

You need more skills to use the NC weapons to your benefit. That's often forgotten.

[@usnluna1395]

NC scattermax can do the damage output. But it's range is so short you pretty much have to face hug any other max to get the kill. But by time you get that close enough you'll already dead. (Can't say anything about the air hammer as I can't fly for Shiz). But the vanguard is only strong in a 1v1 face to face. And I still hardly ever see it survive for long in big group fights even with 3 eng on it while also being repaired by a bus.

[@ilsgrade8357]

NC has by far the best infantry weapon arsenal. I play TR for the style and cool armor but if I had to choose purely between the weapon arsenals, NC wins hands down

[@tylerrichter4066]

It really is the red armor, why I play TR also

[@tylerrichter4066]

And also Torque 9

[@topgunmaster666]

The butcher sure has a lot of ammo but using the weapon is like an AK 47 recoil in csgo. It has one of the hardest recoils to over come and it isn’t comparable to the other weapons.

[@Jan-cg1pq]

Thats true. People like to say that the Saw has a shoulder-breaking recoil but I really don't think its true. We could definitely increase the vertical kick since it's not the default lmg anymore. (Im an NC main)

[@Shimpriv]

Nc is stronger than vanu on paper - better guns, better big rifle, better tank, better max, etc. But on a real server they still have about the same if not a slightly less win rate. As a vanu main I'd love our faction gimmick to be a bit more in line with others - damage for nc, firing rate for tr - as now it often is "give them something weird"

[@user-if4zv5nj5m]

I find nc extremely stupid strategy-wise these days, people usually zerg rush central sectors, trigger double team at the beginning of most evening alerts and "heroically" defendinh for an hour and loosing the alert because of that

[@Shimpriv]

​@@user-if4zv5nj5m There are two things like that i've noticed - either a faction would become so fixated on a central capture point like Ascent that it would loose everything else and that central point as well eventually, or a zerg would push all the way to a warpgate and then scatter all over the continent losing the territory it just conquered. Not something unique to NC as well, Vanu on Cobalt do it all the time.

[@user-if4zv5nj5m]

@@Shimpriv I play on kobalt and in daytime nc is almost always a winner. But fighting in evening is always a pain trying to fight both empires

[@dome9989]

i play all factions on cobalt and i dont play tanks that much at all (like 2k tank kills from approx. 200k kills in total), yet i think magrider is „best“ tank in this game, cause of maneuverability and magburner, its a hell of a sneak tank and can climb almost everything… but thats basically the only thing where VS is superior to the other factions. :)

[@kassaken6521]

@@user-if4zv5nj5m Im on Emerald, and my observation after playing for 5 years is pretty simple. Vanu try hard to win alerts and NC go to the highest population fight, and fight braindead (I also do this cause its more fun). The only time I notice NC winning is after Vanu win alerts back to back and TR and NC push them hard and toss a coin to see who wins, or when TR and Vanu go at it near the end of the alert and we just shove who we hate more from the last continent battle (Ex. If Vanu shoves us to the warp gate, we take offense to that). Speaking of warp gate push, we usually win alerts once we get pushed with less than an hour left. Its almost like we unite under the embarassment of being shoved to the point we seem irrelevant

[@gary0044187]

at top end, NC's always rewarded skill more than any other faction. on the flip side, if you aren't at the top end, NC's always punished more. and since outfit wars is the purview of the sweaty tryhards, it hardly represents regular player experience. there's a reason I use NS guns almost exclusively on NC. gonna keep my opinions about outfit wars bastardizing the game to myself, because I am sure plenty of people have talked about this and enough people disagree with me on this to make my opinion less than useful. scatmax is ok, but only effective to a certain range and outside of that range it's damned useless. it's why for years, I used falcons and now use mattocks. especially after they got rid of our slugs.

[@Jan-cg1pq]

I'm an NC main and I agree! Never understood why people say that Vanu is OP. When playing VS I always felt like they would tendencially get the weaker equivalents to NC infantry weapons. For example the default weapons for LA and Medic...

[@gary0044187]

medic default, NC and TR all the way. those are two of my favorite guns next to the NS11. though I main nc, I still hop on my TR character regularly just to enjoy the cycler though.

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

Been playing VS since launch and it's pretty much felt like playing with one hand tied to your back, VS is the ultimate cannon fodder, that's how we manage to win anything, even worse because a lot of skilled vets gravitated towards TR and NC over the years, we ended up with a bunch of VS lemmings on Miller at least, it's awful to play for the most part which has made me nearly quit on my main char.

[@gary0044187]

@@HansensUniverseT-A if you don't mind trying another server for a while, come to Emerald, you should be able to have a lot of fun. VS here tends to have an excellent mix of players that work together decently.

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

@@gary0044187 I don't play much these days, sort of got tired of the game after 5k hours put into it.

[@Clownkov]

I do like the take on the nuances of 1v1v1 scenarios. Because they will always be unfair one way or another. Whether it is intentional or unintentional double-teaming or the min-max usage of each factions' strenght. Yes, while we want games to be as balanced and as "fair" as possible, PvP will always have some level of competition and most of the players will always strive to *win*. To the point of being unfair (excluding cheating, hacking and glitching in this argument).

[@nicolassohei7018]

On cobalt some signifiant best VS players played for HOT during the OW (a NC outfit), like COOP, XmasterBob ... no surprise by the outcome.

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

The reason that Vanu does well in alerts is because they do not have an MBT, so while TR and NC pull tanks, VS stays infantry and on point. And that's what wins the alerts.

[@tubewatchingfreak]

Nc is only op if you have aim and experience. The lower firerate, high rcoil will punish you harder than your counterparts if you can't hit. But if you can you scale higher than the other factions. Majority of nc playerbase has lower skills compared to the other factions standards. So they can't utilize the high dmg low rpm weopons. Its not just aiming. You need to get in position and have to know when to engage.

[@tubewatchingfreak]

Oh and i forgot framerates. They win battles... Got my new pc but i just accept lower frames for max graphics. 65 Frames on high intensity battles with wqhd is enough. :P Cause iam nc and i have low rpm weapons. :P

[@rylandrc]

It's interesting hearing what matters for faction strength. Also you didn't talk about the NSO faction!

[@NL-Chaos]

What weapon are you using ? It looks very accurate and nice to play with(sorry new to the game but i like playing medic allot)

[@ZealousVidya]

gr 22 is best medic gun for NC

[@markf37talon]

I play Vanu, my K/D is horrible when fighting TR. Also my TR character has the best K/D of all my characters, but I almost never play it. So from my data TR is overpowered.

[@Electr0Doggo]

NC is strongest because of the skilled players. It doesn't matter that the gauss saw has a high recoil, skilled players can make it work and still get headshots. And the skilled outfits is also the contributing factor

[@colbymarley5190]

NC has tryhards because their weapons are unbalanced by having best time to kill and I think their recoil is low compared to the high fire rates of TR weapons. Plus in a huge fight when the fire rate of your guns dips because of your fps, than it's all about damage per bullet which NC wins at every time. Some NC guns should have the rate of fire reduced to account for their high damage like gd7f has a 845 fire rate with 143 damage vs TR lynx at 909 fire rate with 125 damage. The gd7f will win every time.

[@warfinn8816]

Flak archer, heavy armor damaging godsaw, shotgun maxes, most damage mbt that just got a cannon that can 2 shot an mbt lol, also pretty sure the default mustang on the reader does the same amount of damage as a mosquito's rotary.

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

VS on Miller here, playing VS i would say the last year has been freaking horrible, we seem to have lost many skilled players and are now left with fresh lemmings, we win alerts by just shear pop dumping ( cannon fodders) and combat dynamics, we rely on TR and NC fighting each other a lot, one can really see this a lot how VS will go on chasing territory while TR and NC fiddle with each other, that's how we win really, strategically and tactically we're no better than the other, in fact probably worse off as we don't have many organized outfits left, the harsh reality of playing VS these days i guess.

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

@@HansensUniverseT-A Can confirm that VS on Miller is a complete clown show

[@PoulpeViolet]

7:49: OH! You killed me!!! 😉

[@Flagdread]

Rip, get well soon

[@typorad]

Well, air hammer has been nerfed, it can take many shells to kill and if you're lucky you can get 2 kills in one magazine. Max doesn't respawn anymore either so they are not the edge they used to be.

[@savirianwinter1656]

Well, I still played this game. So to me, I never noticed the difference in the power of the factions. I was a newbie when I started playing the NC faction. I have almost all tan weapons in the first two months of playing due to getting better and not the power of the weapons. I mean the NC uses railguns in all their stuff. So it's no surprise that those things can hit really fucking hard.

[@CAfakmykak]

And people still complain about VS being the strongest because of Betelguese. But you need 5800 kills with 5 different weapons to get it. Where other factions have weapons just as good without needing to buy and aurax 5 different guns.

[@bruterasta]

I'm out of PS2 for some time. Can someone enlighten me, why Gauss SAW is so good right now?

[@bigmango202]

The average NC player with guns that do the bodyshot damage of some snipers on a headshot is obviously gonna have an advantage but ultimately individual player skill is what really matters most

[@zakadams762]

You're thumbnails are so good

[@ZealousVidya]

Slowly getting there ^^

[@justyouraveragem4a136]

Oh man, while many NC players are good in my books at least on Connery, on prime hours for the game, oh boy, it’s like trying to hold off the Red Army as Germany when playing as TR or Vanu when it comes to NC over popping everyone, but hey, at least the fights are fun as usual unless you are getting spawn camped

[@bighouse581]

GR22 is meta? I had no idea

[@RzZ0]

100%. Agree. Nc… Best esf nose gun. Best Ai max. Best mbt. Best lmg. Masthead etc…. As vanu main…

[@Shimpriv]

At least TR has best skins, Vanu kinda gets nothing but the spandex memes.

[@TheMrDEEDZ33]

I love the NC but idk what sever your playing on mate ever time I get on we lose most of the time

[@baronwhite4631]

The reason people believe Vanu were strong prior to this NC pop boost, has nothing to do with Vanu's items. Has everything to do with Vanu having the better zerg outfit, literally nothing to do with items. As for NC I agree, they have the most well rounded or best items overall. Just having a ton of low lvl people using shotguns lately, with nc having 40% pop is tough to deal with. Esp since I main a knifer stalker with heartstring. So ye dueling all these shotguns with a knife isn't easy heh, I want a knife buff to more utility items & give Infil proper ASP skills as well.

[@johnstevens72]

Best weapons, but we eat glue…so it averages out.

[@Brainmaster6000]

Vs= Spantex Lover, NC = Easy Mode, TR = Hardmode

[@FlankerJackChannel]

NC works best when playing at Platoon level. VS work best playing individual. TR works best playing with one or two others in overpowered vehicles.

[@reveahlem3226]

of course VS are gonna come last when they keep nerfing them and getting the short end of the stick with every update

[@sansgaster4877]

LoL what? Vanu take best tank gun, and best dps am gun

[@reveahlem3226]

@@sansgaster4877 that was after they buffed it, it is good but in a CQC its not reliable

[@lamkwok6573]

Only NC has a real MBT while others are a piece of paper that exploded in a second

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

NC and TR both have strong options, the Maggie we don't talk about...

[@annatropinina2525]

Why, if they are so strong, do they win the least of all prime-time Alerts on all servers?

[@ZealousVidya]

Because NC has lower player skill on average.

[@annatropinina2525]

@@ZealousVidya Do you think that those who go to play for NC are more inferior than those who play for TR or VS? And if there are weaker players, then how can you nerf their weapons if they are lagging behind now?

[@colbymarley5190]

Idk what server you're talking about but on Connery NC usually win alerts, if for some reason they don't it's because the tryhards are to busy farming with their god saws to be watching the map.

[@dreamermagister8561]

Fascinating. I ve had no idea of what you were talking about the entire time. It doesnt help that i did not know any of the weapons except the vanu weapons and that beetlejuice whatever that is, i believe it is a Vane weapon. It just doesnt sound like something u would enjoy. "Beetle"juice

[@RedIce202]

Betelgeuse is a red giant in the constellation Orion. Similarly also the name of the star that Beetlejuice lives in before being summoned in the film "Beetlejuice". However the guns name is a reference to the star not the film hence the spelling.

[@levanibigq3588]

this is real information(arch)

[@cptrofl1343]

Actually Vanu feels the weakest right now, except you can break the skill barrier, especially as Infiltrator. And on Miller NC wins 2/3 of all alerts recently. They require less skill to get into, they have a bigger player base, oftentimes 40% on Miller during prime time. The shotguns are so strong as well as strong vehicle and max equipment. Especially annoying is the A2G farming. Well still gonna stick to Vanu, because it feels so great outplaying / outskilling these Teamkill bots 😂😂😂

[@Shimpriv]

Spandex is one hell of a drug

[@annatropinina2525]

You are writing a lie. NC win alerts two times less than TR, 1.5 times less than Vanu. If you take alerts in prime time (3%-33%-33%), and not when empty continents are painted.

[@BIGmlems]

Ironically the thing that got me into atg for nc was getting ground pounded by mosquitoes so inkearned to fly and aim well enough to airhammer so I could get them back when I could.

[@BIGmlems]

I learned*

[@PerditasAcademy]

Ngl, I Play NC all round. I think NC is strong but it's down to players skill most of the time. Unless it's an unfair ratio fight then it's just whoever got more

[@magorostravsky5732]

I agree NC have one of best weapons in game. But also one of most difficult to use. That is big problem for new players.

[@TuaSid]

still easier than the recoil on rust or even valorant x)

[@kobaltotto3252]

with the arsenal update most nc weapons got super easy to handle, most of them have access to the compensator or the angled grip which benefit nc heavily

[@magorostravsky5732]

And VS Is still going into sink 😁

[@anthonyd5996]

Idk I was a new player (around 200 hours currently) and I found NC weapons super easy to control and aim with, granted I did come from CSGO (started playing before arsenal update). Guns like the Anchor, Reaper, and Gauss saw are basically like laser beams imo. NC is also my highest KD faction with highest hsr too (1.8 KD with 48% hsr on gauss saw and reaper). I currently play VS as I want to try the Betelgeuese, but fighting against NC gets annoying cuz you generally just get stat diffed in most 1v1s. Imo NC is best for new players cuz of the higher damage models on some guns that leave more room for error. But, I'm not that experienced so idk.

[@magorostravsky5732]

@@anthonyd5996 If you can handle them, no doubt

[@sillybilly121212]

This is pretty silly. The SAW is “strong” - ok. But it’s slow. And TTK is HIGHER (takes longer to kill) vs. 143/750 RPM LMGs. So most your commentary is just mathematically inaccurate. The outfit wars came down to strategy and ability to play the map.

[@w0lf305]

The Players are balancing NC Also mentioning that the beatle only has 40 bullets is wrong. I mean if dont know how to use the weapon it sounds like a u problem :)

[@Shatteredstarful]

For every NC player who kills an enemy, five NC players killed other NC

[@aclumpofseaweed1132]

We’re Top tier efficient at team killing

[@Gamercrow]

I agree when you say that overall, NC infantry weapons and A2G nosegun are the strongest among all factions, tho you can't just start by saying that flak Armor can't negate Mustang AH shots, because that's simply not true. All A2G noseguns have aircraft nosegun damage for their projectile, and common explosive damage for their explosion. So yes, flak helps in reducing damage from the airhammer

[@perianudan-claudiu2495]

Isn't flak protecting against the indirect explosive damage ? Which is 100 to 20 damage per shot LE : Ah , the explosive is applied on each pellet , otherwise the calculations on the wiki page would be wrong . Then the explosive is the majority of the damage and flak is still important

[@Gamercrow]

@@perianudan-claudiu2495 yes it does, and this is why Zealous' claim is completely erroneous... Flak won't protect you from direct impact from a pellet, but will reduce explosive damage

[@tylerrichter4066]

Don't ever try the torq 9 with compensator, or you will switch to TR for life, just warning yall

[@tjgob00m]

All these “VS is OP”, “NS is the best.” No one makes this vids of TR. TR for life!

[@SirRivelion]

As someone who plays all 3 (4, if you count NSO) factions, it has been a choice between NC and TR for the strongest and VS as the clear weakest faction. VS used to be OP when Orion was the best LMG (with 0,75 ADS movement, but so did MSW-R and Anchor) and when Scythe was the best fighter. True tryhards would still use Orion over Betelguese even then, since heat is more for solo farming. On the TR vs NC I agree about everything mentioned in the video, except I prefer TR infantry guns just a little bit more. When you need those 10 extra bullets in your mag, you REALLY need them (a lot of NC guns have more "damage per magazine", but they are usually not THE meta weapons - except the Saw). To me it's like this: 1. "do I want to have broken shotgun Maxes, Jackhammer, Airhammer, Masthead and a great selection of viable weapons across the board" in NC 2. "I want Prowlers, Strikers and "no bulshit" dakka guns" in TR 3. VS has a lot of tricks, like aoe from Lashers very weird ammo types, but most of them are fun gimmicks rather than some amazing tactical tool to use "competitively", and a lot of their guns are just... meh. And being "meh" in a game full of amazing guns means you are a bad gun. 4. Honorable mention for NSO "do I hate my life today? If yes then let's play NSO".

[@dome9989]

i play all factions on cobalt… imo all factions are pretty equally balanced, each faction has some op an up stuff but in general i dont see that much of a difference. My K/D and kpm rates on all my accs are pretty equal, still NC a bit better than VS and the worst is my TR acc but all just seperated by small margin. i just think VS has the most unique stuff an fun stuff to use (f.e. heat mechanic is great for some killstreaks), while NC has the most annoying stuff (airhammer, scattermax,…). On cobalt at least it feels like most veterans play VS, still VS got worst tactics imo on cobalt…

[@Shatteredstarful]

TR players rely on the butcher? What? Butcher is like...meme weapon status to most TR.

[@michaelsamuell9377]

Show me your br100 NC toon, then you can express your opinion.

[@dustix1087]

Is it fair to assume that our faction specific ability is not as good as TRs or NCs? Also, just watching you fight, how come you never knife the other person when in close combat?

[@ZealousVidya]

Personally I don't believe in knives ^^

[@dustix1087]

@@ZealousVidya I see, i thought it was directive based or smth

[@helevu9162]

why not just use oshur as a outfit wars map ?

[@lordwhippleton9734]

its not symmetrical. Using the nexus map was far better than a live continent.

[@noobsmaxx9864]

There is no justice in this game

[@michealprovidence6285]

I have to disagree with a few of your points. I mainly play NC, and find that the shotgun max falls short in its very nature. Having no medium to long range answer makes it impossible to mount an offensive. where as the VS and TR maxes are ruffly the equivalent to 2 HA's taped together. HA's being the meta because of their survivability, ammo capacity, down time, and unique heavy weapons designed as a force multiplier-- you can imagine giving twice that firepower and survivability to one player makes TR and VS far more viable and flexible. Never has a VS or TR max ever said, "gosh i wish i was any other class right now." NC max can do one thing GREAT. And that's it.

[@benclark3457]

Outfit wars is a place for outfits to compete in a controlled environment because for some reason they don't do that on live. Live is the game. But players don't do anything on Live except place TOTAL EMPHASIS on farming stats. Its honestly sad. This is the mentality that has ALWAYS prohibited PS2 from making it big and therefore gettign the revenue to the devs they need when they need it. Its gated behind the hardcore communities opinions and actions because that influences the Live meta. Vanu is 'overpowered' first and foremost because of the infantry weapon mechancis taking the least amount of skill once you are adjusted to the games physics which isn't long for anyone that has played an FPS that isn't hitscan 24/7. Vanu is a crutch for ego. After that is NC because they have very nice damage modeles which increase skill exponentially with a nice boost to skill ingame (which is what you are addressing specifically in your video). This is because the burst damage they can deliver with an accidental (or intended...) headshot can swing a fight back into their favor in infantry and the inherent tankyness of the faction lends itself well to covering mistakes that are typically made by newer players. If you can aim with headshots they are the easiest as a result, which is what you are saying, I believe. Fps players who prioritise infantry outnumbered play and do not care for stats or if they are beign farmed temporarily will gravitate towards TR for the most challange and biggest skillgap to fill as doing the same thing without NC/Vanu weapons inherently is the definition of being more skilled. Therefore noone is overpowered, the varios factions just offering varying levels of skillceiling with the deluded as always PS2 playerbase believing that the crutches offered by each faction is 'skill' when it is correlated in a statistical format. Since TR have the most well rounded (read not specialized at anything therefire taking more skill to accomplish in a similar situation to their coutnerpart weapons, for example, GENERALLY SPEAKING) weapons they are the most underutilized and perceived as weak, whereas the only factor to consider is that they have to aim harder, faster, and for longer periods of timing than any other faction. Obviously this is all subjective and it applies to any weapon, thsi is generally speaking. You will be able to convert raw skil into 'statistical skill' better on Vanu and NC but it won't matter if you repeatedly lose to a statistically lower player on TR who consistently beats you for example. This statistical acknowledgement of skill by scrubs is what leads to the overpowered feel of factions as players gravitate towards the crutches that increase statistical skill while lacking the perception or skill themselves to differentiate between what is truely overpowered and what is a skillcrutch within the mechanics of the game.

[@SS-dc5jz]

Simple, NC has one of the most powerful mid to long ranger LMG NC6 as well as the CQC shotgun jackhammer the same time.

[@Hunterbw93]

Just a year ago it was vanu oh how the turns have tabled so quickly

[@see_horse]

... and then they gave us the new tank guns,..... and NC is now just fodder.

[@redchariots5428]

It's funny watching a Vanu montage while saying NC is overpowered, 😆

[@brandonburk5762]

As it should be

[@tranvinhnhat1289]

One of the most arsenal faction. NC got so many diverse tools that TR and VS can’t match. Vanquisher FTW !

[@JlEX42]

NC scatters on max can kill instantly with 5m distance and have long reload and chamber time, that's all. In the game, where you need a big chunky boy with mmo-tank capabilities and possibility to do sustained fire, 2 of 3 faction have it. NC is not in the list. NC max have access only to slow powerful shotguns, useful only in doorways, or nonsensical fast shotguns. Made 7 frags? Congrats! Go being useless for eternity! People calling Scatter-max OP, never played it. GD7-F - very unique weapon, yeah. GAUSS SAW - miss 1 bullet = fast redeploy. You must carry Battlehardened in closerange fights. A lot of NC guns are unforgiving of your mistakes. The only fair comment is about Airhammer. It needs to be affected by Flak-armor. Btw good video. Almost 9 minutes of pure sarcastic humor delivered with serious voice, like it!

[@ragnar40kblackmain]

you are cracked if you think the TR are stronger than VS in ANY regard.

[@calizter5332]

Skill issues, all we know goblins destroy everything at his way. Nothing NEW here.

[@tealthantos1]

I'm a bit meh here, sure guns like the Gauss Saw are powerful, but there is a high level of skill required to use them, with the commonly held belief in the NC that they aren't really good at the lower tiers and very situational, also yes the airhammer is powerful, but then the reaver itself is a flying brick that is next to useless in air to air.

[@topgunmaster666]

I also don’t like people having a faction identity because then they be like “you play vanu for 1k hours, stay away from tr because you main vanu.” It is so stupid. Also want to note that TR as one of hardest weapon arsenal to overcome for sure because the fire rate increases the recoil which means inaccuracies. NC and VS has more accurate weapons / better damage outputs.

[@JlEX42]

KEKW git gud m8. Recoil stats are balanced due to higher rate of fire. TR has 40-bullet 750/143 carbine, which can land 6-bullet burst in a single dot without any mouse movements..... Oh wait there are TWO OF THEM! Oh, and the Kindred....

[@topgunmaster666]

@@JlEX42 2 weapons out of the whole arsenal for Tr. the weapons are relative to other factions weapons which is mostly uneven, and has nothing about being good. Watch Cami's videos about the LMG and Carbine most of the top weapons are in the vanu and nc (espicially Carbines). fire rates means nothing if accuracy and recoil is a factor. Mosts TR primary engagements is close quarters to most optimal, but vanu can sit so far and snipe you with an infite amount Beteguese total eliminating extra tr amount. And speaking of being good, how does this help planetside 2 get new players if the other weapon are "better"? I can go on a rant about balance and its effects but I am not going to do that.

[@JlEX42]

@@topgunmaster666 Cami has his own opinion, and its not significant for me as other veteran-player's is. He plays with advantages of high-ping on a PVE server. Accuracy and recoil is not a factor for TR weapon, that was my point. Its too accurate for other stats it has. PS2 has problems with balance today, and in general its not about NC or VS weapons being "extra-good". Conception of asymmetrical balance is not in the list either

[@topgunmaster666]

@@JlEX42 I am not saying that all weapons VC and NC are better, and Accuracy and Recoil is a factor. The Directive weapon LMG for TR is one of the hardest weapons to control. I have seen Vanu destroy TR with the LMGs in ranges 25 meters or higher, but TR can destory vanu in ranges 25 Meters or lower. TR can shoot far but it is unaccurate due to fire rate. It doesn't take a wizard to find this out. TR has one of the best Vehicules in the game for sure, and NC has the weakest.

[@JlEX42]

I have a big DOUBT about everything you say

[@lidltraut8258]

Im a TR main because we have nice skins. Thats it.

[@Kameeho]

I am a TR main, and I agree pretty much agree with the entire video. The reason why NC is OP os rather extremely simple and mathematical. A large majority of the fights a player and especially in outfit wars will experience is close range combat. And NC weapons, even in the official game descriptio is the strongest weapons simply because of their short TTK. Another reason that makes NC very strong is they have means to increase the opponents TTK with their shields. This is alpha and omega in every close range fights. So if 70% of the fights are close range. Then onviously NC has 70% of the advantage. I notice as TR usually har a major advantage in long range fights due to higher accuracy and bullet velocity. And VS being a in between thing. They shine in the mid range but has some capable weapons in both long and short range. But not enough to compensate. That being said, their advantages are so extreme that it causes them to win all the time, its just as you said; Organisation and skill factor outweighs any arsenal, regardless of OP or UP.

[@MajinStrach]

For real I choose Vanu solely because they seem like the space outsider freaks who no one likes 😅😅

[@LuciarTRPS2]

Strikers are weak and as you said, deterance only

[@EpicThingLPS]

haters gonna hate, NC still gonna liberate) honestly, factons are pretty balanced and "lots of NC victories" seems just like justification of your own loss.

[@nitokagaminen9660]

a random soldier ask: why there so many NC a legend answer: some of us don't have freedom so we fight for one, because they are valiant freedom fighter just in a video game so we shouldn't judge them overpoping the server

[@sirthomasevangelion1258]

I snipe with my saw 😈

[@Cosmis5]

Wish granted. They were nerfed.

[@weldslikebutterfabrication483]

NC is differently not OP they are many constraints that go with weapons, you have to be up close, which usually is not viably in most cases and have to be aiming already. Just the regular TR weapon is still quite overpowered given a headshot and they can spay out a lot of rounds. and Vanu they can still always drill you from distances Accurate and fast firing.

[@martinp1054]

Strongest faction is and always will be VS.... You just gotta use NS weapons as infantry.... Those are the realy overpowered ones in my opinion

[@JustfullmetalEdge-rs7nl]

Gauss saw is about as good as a t9 carv

[@battleraventhegreat9819]

About NCs weapons being strong is not true back then and is not true after the anniversary update. Matter of fact NC weapons can barely make dents. NC Maxes are nothing but paper getting shredded and killed by less then a half a clip of any Vanu weapon. I know this because I used to play Vanu and my former outfit ripped shreds out of NC. ( You were there when we did it) I know Vanu is OP because we won 32 in a row previous summer ago. We even ripped Pale Tigers group to pieces that cause him to probably run away to Emerald. NC now are nothing but a paper outfit and they are dying because devs are either being misinformed or they just favour Vanu because Wrel plays on Vanu only.

[@soulmask2781]

Vanu no bullet drop makes them best at range, exactly like the video demonstrates... just aiming center and your shots hitting like that is not something NC or TR can do as well.

[@gentlerain3245]

Nearly ALL capture points and defense positions are inside a building, a raised platform or some sort of enclosed area. If you are just out in the open for this "range" to get sniped then you are very much asking for it.

[@soulmask2781]

@@gentlerain3245 oh yeah vanu is the worst faction but they win all the time, such fucking flawed logic, if they win all the time theyre the best faction end of debate

[@gentlerain3245]

Winning all the time has nothing to do with what you talked about, their weapons. They win because coordination and having allied outfits of the same faction who WILL respond in Command. Something I see definitely lacking when I play my NC, I see 8sec running and the platoon leader desperately frustrated that VCO, Recursion and NFFN are being total cunts not answering not coordinating attacks, just nothing.@@soulmask2781

[@Hezlock]

In my opinion: before last update it was NC>VS>TR but now it's different VS>NC>TR And it's probably ~accurate, cuz Vanu winning 50% of the alerts atm.

[@makarov718]

vanu generally has a higher skilled playerbase, aswell as a lower skill floor

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

@@makarov718 You're looking at it black and white.

[@montag404]

So are y'all really this stupid? It's satire. He's literally destroying NC the entire time. LMFAO

[@jameshenry9112]

Lol, NC is not the strongest, it's the easiest to play, weapons have higher damage, less recoil and in some cases more ammo per magazine

[@thephonfoundation4920]

I agree with all your points. NC has the best guns with the easiest recoil to control. Very little side to side recoil. It's almost like only having to compensate for vertical recoil which is easy. Pull mouse down/profit. The saw is my favourite gun. I would argue that it is the single best gun in the game. If I shoot a max in the head with the SAW they die real quick. Way faster than any other gun, (except the archer of course). The headshot multiplier on a 200 damage round is insanely high. Also I hate all maxes, but the shotgun max is the worst max to fight. It is an absolute pain to get rid of, if it is playing defensively and door holding with support. If it is out in the open in a field it is pathetic. But who pulls a shotgun max in land battles? I main TR and unfortunately every gun feels almost the same. TR guns aren't bad guns, but the stats are almost identical across the board. There is no flavor. Bland. Boring. I use NS guns more than TR guns. At least the NS guns are different. As for VS... I don't play them.

[@AmbroseBoaBowie]

It’s no question the NC is by far the strongest faction, however the people who PLAY NC, at least via solo, share the combined collective of a baked potato! You all be thankful NCPlayers don’t have more then one synapses firing at one time! Or else the game would be unplayable for TR VS

[@addmen96]

NC is OP, everyone knew that for years. What will devs do in upcoming patch? Buff them even further!

[@pinaerpowac4130]

NC attracts skilled players. If you last long enough to learn to manage recoil and aim you will chew up your foes.

[@RaptorJesus.]

VS main: "a lot of the stuff i say probably will surprise you" VS main: "NC is the strongest TR comes in second" how f%%king surprising.

[@TurtleFootMining]

I’m purple and I can confirm blue always wins. You can tell there all on discord and purple just runs around like true NPCs 😅😅😅

[@bogey_dope_ae]

Yet i played 20 hr and never seen NC won in any alert.

[@0sba]

1: "Copium"? 8 out of 10 first place finalists were NC, 2 TR. 5 out of 5 gold medals went to NC. If you include the top four participants, there were 3 Vanu outfits, 4 tr outfits and 13(!) NC outfits. Saying it was "copium" when vanu outfits complained that they lost because they played against NC outfits is simply wrong. They lost because the battlefield they played on favors close range (as always, capturepoints are mostly closerange on the map, and tanking battles happened in narrow corridors mostly as well where F to win was ridiculously op). If you have equal outfits, and there is a five percent advantage in overal equipment strength, the team with stronger equipment will win out with 60% of their troops still alive (Lanchester's Law). This is knowledge that comes from real warfare, which applies to RTS games too(where I learned about it) which usually doesn't matter much for FPS games, but for Planetside it matters a ton. This fully explains the landslide victory we've seen for NC outfits. At the same time, the most tryhard players will obviously congregate on the strongest faction, making the results even more defined. 2: The reaver is the strongest ESF in groupfighting thanks to it's high alpha damage, allowing you to get a kill in really fast, together with also having the highest afterburner speed, which allows you to get back to your sides rep gal after getting a kill. This, together with having the Masthead to use after you bail (I feel you're REALLY underestimating the strength of the Masthead here, maybe you're not used to using it but it's still incredibly strong, especially because it can be run on engi and used after your aircraft or tank died) 3: Jackhammers are broken as fuck right now due to the nanoweave armor changes, especially when compared to the faction equivalents that other factions get to run as secondary. 4: As a player that played on Vanu (DIGT) on outfitwars this season and was only one of two outfits (VKTZ on Emerald) that got a medal as VS, we didn't run beetlejuice. We ran autoshotties. Beetlejuice is great for soloplay, but if you're playing with medics you might as well run scavenger and get revived with a full magazine anyways. 5: I honestly think the reason Vanu does better on live is because of the type of people that choose Vanu as faction flavor over NC or TR. TR and NC are the people who want to be "badass", while the VS is filled with nerds that like scifi stuff. Nerds are generally more intelligent, leading to more competent players playing on VS. I can't prove this, and it would be really really cool if someone could do a little study on this honestly.

[@ZealousVidya]

On one side, the AH is stronger and right now the SAW is strong, plus the jackhammer is also great. On the other hand, these really are only marginal benifits; realistically the teams which won would have irrespective of their faction. It's a small minmax thing.

[@0sba]

@@ZealousVidya They are not marginal. If they were, there would have been a more equal spread between the finalist factions.

[@ZealousVidya]

The tryhards went NC to minmax, so most of the winners were NC. It wasn't because their faction arsenal carried them. Faction choice is a small contributing factor towards who won matches in OW; the overwhelming majority was to do with skill. Additionally small factors like having a good plan which everyone knows, good leaders and knowing the lanesmash meta(for example, cycling through players for nanite intensive roles) were important if skill was somewhat equal. Only in matches where all those factors are fairly even, would factions help determine who the OW winners would be.

[@lordwhippleton9734]

​@@0sba Cope? All the good players went to NC. Plain and simple. At least this was hyper apparent on emerald. Recursion lost to GOB because they were outskilled, they played the same way they did in the beginning of the season and didnt bother to adapt, Vehicles walked all over them and they couldn't move around the map effectively.

[@Demonist1]

Equating intelligence to faction choice (or playing ability) is a pretty big leap in logic. I agree that people who like the scifi aesthetic would more likely pick VS, but liking scifi doesn't make you more intelligent nor better at playing any video game. We can categorize the average player on any faction all we want but that doesn't mean it's true. Also your definition of a nerd is unclear because we all, regardless of faction, are doing what traditionally is defined as a nerdy - playing this game.

[@Warboss_Thrakka_Snazzfingas]

Vanu IS the most OP. Magriders and all VS infantry weapons

[@magorostravsky5732]

MAg have only one advantage, and that is manuverability (for now im ignoring newest weapon, wich for sure will be nerfed). It have worst guns and is worse in most combat situations.

[@stuarthamilton5112]

Our damage falloff is the worst with the exception of a few weapons, and the Maggie cannot go toe to toe with any other MBT. If you go salvo for salvo with the Prowler or Vanguard, you will lose. Every. Time. Popping the Vanguard shield when you get ambushed is easy sauce, and being ambushed in a Prowler is fixed by simply having more dakka. To win the Maggie you need ... skill. You need to know where to place the tank and when, you need to actually MOVE, but never forget no matter how fast you might be when mag burning, the turret on either the Vanguard or Prowler is *faster*. So, educate yourself on the Magrider.

[@stoneageproductions4656]

godsaw meta

[@S.A.7737]

Fake Spandex News. Magriders are crazy mountain/roof tanks. No bulletdrop. Night camo by default is a joke

[@nieznajomy624]

Because they are so unbalanced so ^^

[@WitchDoctor87]

I very much disagree with almost every opinion here.

[@jasonnotter6582]

The saw is so inaccurate it is hard to get kills 1v1, it really only seems good when firing in cluster situation.

[@big_daddy_d1547]

The butcher is garbage what are you talking about?

[@lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI]

Hate to bring it to you but NC max, specifically scatter cannons have been nerfed multiple times. Time to stop complaining about the NC max, it's good at CQC and useless outside of that, as it's supposed to be. All the remarks about NC small arms can be negated as well, if you want enjoy the 200dmg model join NC. If you don't want to join NC, be happy with your own factiont trades. It's always the same garabage complains being that the faction you're fighting is OP until you switch. The airhammer is fine just as the banshee. If you haven't noticed the banshee during OW was #1 cancer.