Why NieR: Automata is the Most Profound Video Game Ever Made

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Max Derrat

Max Derrat

Күн бұрын

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@Duckman8213
@Duckman8213 6 ай бұрын
I clicked on every “Why is Nier Automata so awesome” video I see
@djtoxicdhg
@djtoxicdhg 6 ай бұрын
Same
@BurghezulDjentilom
@BurghezulDjentilom 6 ай бұрын
Same, it's my favorite game. I can very rarely name my favorite anything.
@alape8
@alape8 6 ай бұрын
Me too, I've wasted so much of my life watching these types of videos and have no regrets
@bloodyninja2411
@bloodyninja2411 6 ай бұрын
Me this is me
@mumblaff
@mumblaff 6 ай бұрын
Sometimes I think I beat the game just to watch these videos
@alphacode5
@alphacode5 6 ай бұрын
the revelation that all the people that helped you in the credits sacrificed their game to do so is one of the most impactful moments in gaming history
@artcurious807
@artcurious807 Ай бұрын
it has a Christian undertone to it. but im not sure that was intentional.
@isaihinojos3028
@isaihinojos3028 Ай бұрын
I still cry when I read the random names when the "xxx data has been lost" pops up
@sayhowling
@sayhowling 12 күн бұрын
@@isaihinojos3028 i died lots of times before I realized that was the case. but when I did, I LOCKED in to make sure their savefile isn't for vain
@webbrowser6454
@webbrowser6454 6 ай бұрын
STILL the most impactful game for me. Ending E is the only moment (fulfillment?) in video games to bring me to tears, and I've played many over my entire life. God bless Yoko Taro and his mad genius.
@Chagster
@Chagster 6 ай бұрын
I still tear up when I hear the song intently
@deanchur
@deanchur 6 ай бұрын
Play through Okami and try to remain composed through the end boss. You can watch the ending on KZbin of course, but you really need the context behind it that you're only gonna get through playing the game (and it's a great game so that's no bad thing).
@webbrowser6454
@webbrowser6454 6 ай бұрын
@@deanchur I feel bad, I've gotten like 90% of the way through Okami 3x and still never finished it (trying to 100% then just put it down). I love the mythology, setting, and its one I always point to when the topic of video games as art is discussed but I really should make a point to stick it out next time around.
@Ukaran
@Ukaran 6 ай бұрын
Now play Nier Replicant. Or Drakengard 3.
@kukukachu
@kukukachu 6 ай бұрын
hmmm, I played a game called Everhood that made me get emotional and I think I cried. I can't remember though.
@Kushrada
@Kushrada 6 ай бұрын
Three moments that blew me away. Shortly after the opening level you are able to toggle your settings in real time with 9S, i played around with this for awhile, testing and re-testing settings to see what reactions 9S would react with. So imagine my surprise when in playing route B and I had to sit through my past self trolling me for 20 minutes straight in real time. I loved it. Upon completing the final route I needed to clear the credit screen, I got far, multiple times but kept dying, I was getting frustrated, pissed and down right angry at the game, how unfair it was, and the constant questions berating me for my attempts...and then I got help. The chorus swelled and I literally cried as everything just clicked for me. The suffering of persisting in a seemingly pointless struggle for meaning, the burden being lessoned by aid and kindness. And the choice to lose everything to show said same kindness and the game critiquing your choices all the while. The fishing rabbit hole, learning the fish lore and catching a megalodon for the first time which set me down the rabbit hole. I cant do that justice, but damn was that a surprise. The fact you could get the fishing ending instead of completing the game only added on to the experience.
@kingkh001
@kingkh001 6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry YOU CAN CATCH A MEGALODON?!
@gotem123
@gotem123 5 ай бұрын
​@@kingkh001 YEAH LIKE WHAT?! I WAS SURPRISED WITH A BASKING SHARK!
@kingkh001
@kingkh001 5 ай бұрын
@@gotem123 man I wasn't fishing right 💀 other than the pods, the best thing I got was the machine fish
@gotem123
@gotem123 5 ай бұрын
@kingkh001 Hahaha, yeah dude, I was shocked seeing the shark fly outta the water...no way he's serious bout the megalodon, I gotta go try it!
@Kushrada
@Kushrada 5 ай бұрын
@@gotem123 My bad, i confused the Machine Basking Shark for a Megalodon, that is the biggest fish you can find.
@CelesteSDBK
@CelesteSDBK 6 ай бұрын
NieR Automata is that one game that never really left me. Because I was only a teenager when I played the game, what stuck with me at first were the characters, the setting, the music and the general atmosphere of the game. But as I grew up, I became more familiar with the different concepts of philosophy, and I finally realized over time how deep and complex this game really is. I didn't care much for Pascal at first, but they quickly became one of the most fascinating characters in the game. Personally, besides its unmatchable secret ending, I think the moment who stuck with me the most was that Resistance member who wished to keep his old, defective limb, as it was the last remaining piece of his original body, and he feared of what it would mean if he replaced it.
@johncoffey421
@johncoffey421 6 ай бұрын
Ship of Theseus 🤌
@embodiedface
@embodiedface 6 ай бұрын
Dont we change cells every decade or so , and all of em die and are replaced by new ones ? Insane
@baziworld
@baziworld 6 ай бұрын
talk about turning to a hard corefan, seen people goes back and forth in yoko taro's works ,because they loved nier automata, but what you have done is some dedication
@giovanniprovost
@giovanniprovost 6 ай бұрын
Please watch Ghost in the Shell!
@jase276
@jase276 6 ай бұрын
NieR Replicant's secret ending matches it pretty well.
@avraelasgard
@avraelasgard 6 ай бұрын
HEAVY SPOILERS, that go over the informations provided in-game, you have been warned! One correction: The logic virus was of machine origin, not from androids in high positions infecting the other androids. However, the possibility of this virus infecting the bunker, and therefore all androids connected to it, having their conciousness uploaded there, WAS given by an android that purposefully included a "backdoor" in the bunker for the machines to attack and destroy it when the time was right. The same android that founded project Yorha. The reason for this is something you didnt talk about here, but maybe there will be a second video, who knows. The Yorha forces, the newest combat models you too play as, are designed to fail. Their only purpose was to test things, to collect data, to see how far you could push androids, for another android generation in the future to use this info, and maybe actually do something. (Which they will never be able to do, but they dont know that.) They are the only models that have a black box, a limitless fusion reactor... thats based on the cores of machine lifeforms. These yorha models, are closer to alien build machines, then to human build androids, because of this. Other, "normal" androids mostly didnt know of this, but higher up androids know about this, and treat the yorha like dependable cannon fodder, give them no ressources, accept none of their requests for help. Because in their eyes, since these androids are closer to machine lifeforms then to other androids, its moral to not treat them as their own, which makes it possible for them to perform the most immoral experiments on specifically these models. This is what 9S finds out later too, and makes him realize that EVEN MORE then he thought before, everything he, and other yorha did, was pointless. At least for themselves, for their generation. This all is also the reason the yorha are all dressed in black, to show the bleakness of their situation, and the constant mourning they have to go through watching their friends die again and again. A very important part is, the 9S models were the best and most intelligent scanners ever build. The S part of their name stands just for "scanner", and the 9 refers to a personality mode, in this case a very curious one, which for some reason, made especially THIS model so efficient. The commanding androids knew that these models would ALWAYS find out the truth, by digging into the andoid network, and unearth the same secrets the 9S we play as did. But they could not afford to NOT use them, because they were so good at their job. For this reason, they were ALL given a type E, for execution, model... which we later learn, 2B belongs to too, and is actually a 2E model. The job of these models was, to kill the 9S models they were assigned to, once they found out the truth, to stop them from taking action. Another major element of this story is, that first of all, the machine lifeforms are not entirely of alien origin. You can see this clearly in the last ending of the Nier Replicant remake v1.22, where you see that the base of the machines, servers, and the network, including the digital "landscape" we can play in for some parts, was already there thousands of years before the aliens arrived. But they adapted on it when they arrived, refined it, to the point we learn of, that the machines became advanced enough that they could wipe out the aliens. And by extention, they COULD wipe out all the androids in an instant too... but they dont. And the most important part here is, they dont, because of the same reason the androids fight for: That if they win, they will have nothing left to fight for. The aliens who gave them commands are dead, the humans some machines are interested in are dead, the entire planet is dead. And as machines, they dont seem to have the capacity to give their lives a meaning themselves. So they always keep their hold over earth around 80%, to give the androids just enough hope, just enough possibility, to fight back. So that they can fight endlessly, and keep up this one meaning that the aliens gave them per command, before they went extinct. To fight the androids. Thats the only reason they fight, because after this, there never came another command for them, to overwrite that one. And since they dont seem able to issue commands to themselves, this one is all they will have, forever.
@radicant7283
@radicant7283 6 ай бұрын
Big Boss loves this
@radicant7283
@radicant7283 6 ай бұрын
Big Boss loves this
@ariellen4995
@ariellen4995 6 ай бұрын
Thanks. Loved this game so much but as someone who struggled to keep track and understand all the information this comment and video is very helpful
@avraelasgard
@avraelasgard 6 ай бұрын
@@ariellen4995 Youre welcome... i kinda watched a 7 hour lore video about all of Drakengard and Nier... with no pause. c: Worth it tho. Theres a lot of information in merchandise from the series, a book, a CD, even screenplays, that all tell more story then just the games.
@ulissesdomingues6992
@ulissesdomingues6992 6 ай бұрын
Your comment deserves so much more recognition than it currently has. You developed on Max's video really, really well. Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Loved reading it.
@theclawyaww3740
@theclawyaww3740 6 ай бұрын
You know its a good game when it can make you cry during the literal end credits
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 4 ай бұрын
They must have very low T levels.
@DadJokeExpert
@DadJokeExpert 4 ай бұрын
@@threestars2164 You know what that makes you if you can’t sympathize with others right?😂😂 Just saying
@TheNobodyNamedDubyaBee
@TheNobodyNamedDubyaBee Ай бұрын
Hopefully it also comes out of remorse for mindlessly mowing down the game's creators there.
@auellaitaela8035
@auellaitaela8035 6 ай бұрын
I beat this game only once. 5 years ago back when it came out. Still to this day I can't think about Ending E without crying. I can't think of any other artistic work in *any* medium that's made me feel like that ending did. The lone voice in the song playing during the credits becoming a full choir as you finally accept help (surprised you didn't mention that) and the other ships swarm in as you now start making progress, not just a single lone voice singing, but an entire full choir singing together showing that together we can fight back against the game's message of meaninglessness, showing us meaning in those last few minutes, and that that meaning is outside the game entirely. The game spends 40+ hours teaching us this single lesson, and then once it's ingrained and we've internalized it, letting us feel just how dark and pointless it is, lets us fight back against that very lesson. Fighting the names of the people who taught us. Finding the meaning together. One final lesson to tip the entire game's meaning on its head, truly one of today's most profound artistic works.
@Bandrik
@Bandrik 5 ай бұрын
Well said. It was incredibly poetic and powerful when I got through that final rush
@guzzuanim
@guzzuanim 3 ай бұрын
Very well written and this was exactly what I thought about that ending E credit title was about. Fighting the cruel concept that Yoko Taro wrote for his masterpiece, fighting the name of the developers that help realise his ideas and philosophy into this game, just to offer us a reason to fight that deafening void of fear and emptiness through empathy & love. However, as much as I love how this is such a fascinating "entertainment" medium, this game taught me that our human nature is shrouded with cruelty and apathy. This game is my comfort food of my existential dread. I fear of our declining and deteriorating social structure. Compare our livelihoods with the vast and expanding universe, we are very insignificant and tiny. As if what Yoko Taro romanticize and preach about his concept of "living is meaningless", and the suffering the Androids & Machines we care about in the game (2B, 9S, A2, Pascal, Operator 210, Devola & Popola) almost share similarities in our world. I know it's a science fiction, but man how hard this game has hit me. It's very brutal and candid. It hits you unexpectedly.
@Bandrik
@Bandrik 3 ай бұрын
@@guzzuanim Well said. Shortly after playing this game, I fell into a deep existential crisis, with all that existential dread and much of what you described. It was both eye-opening, fascinating, and depressing
@fathercadi
@fathercadi 2 ай бұрын
The only equivalent to me was Kiryu and his decision to abandon his orphanage to protect the children in yakuza. It takes playing every game to truly understand the depth of the decision, and the heartbreaking life he can't escape( which is equally as heartbreaking).
@SamCyanide
@SamCyanide 2 ай бұрын
Got chills while reading this and reminiscing. I also played it about 6 years ago. 🫡🫡
@guts1258
@guts1258 6 ай бұрын
NieR: Automata is a game I have never finished and spent a lot of time roaming around aimlessly in when I played it years ago. Videos like this make me think I should really go back and give it the time and attention it deserves.
@Skehrcros
@Skehrcros 6 ай бұрын
I really recommend it
@guts1258
@guts1258 6 ай бұрын
@@Skehrcros I remember enjoying it. Idk why I just stopped playing and never returned.
@Mustachioed_Mollusk
@Mustachioed_Mollusk 6 ай бұрын
@@guts1258 if you jump back in and continue the journey you'll find places no one else valued the way you will. The secret boss in the end hits different after play through 3
@UnashamedlyHentai
@UnashamedlyHentai 6 ай бұрын
@@Mustachioed_Mollusk "after play through 3" which is an important, _required_ task, for those who don't know. you must complete at least 3 playthroughs to see the whole story.
@hayateayasaki753
@hayateayasaki753 6 ай бұрын
​@@UnashamedlyHentai that is not really true though. More like 2 playthrough of the first half. And 1 second half
@ImJustTryingToSurvive
@ImJustTryingToSurvive 6 ай бұрын
There's a third option for pascal. When he asks for you to kill or wipe him, you can just leave. In this option you let him think about what they've done, and learn as a consequence. Or at least that's my head canon.
@ExcrucioVII
@ExcrucioVII 6 ай бұрын
It's the only way for Pascal to both have a future, and also to grow and learn. (No matter the cost.)
@deanchur
@deanchur 6 ай бұрын
If you wipe his memory then visit him in his village you can get a weapon from him that's not available anywhere else.
@BluePhx17
@BluePhx17 6 ай бұрын
That’s what I did too and I was surprised and hurt by what Pascal says as you walk away
@AR-bj5et
@AR-bj5et 6 ай бұрын
We learn throughout the game however that machines don't learn, when trying to emulate humanity and failing, the same machine would continue to fail exactly the same way every single time, no progress made and seemingly no intent to learn. It's one of the things that pushes that despite the machines seeming like they have become more human after obtaining a sense of self awareness, there will always be fundamental differences and limitations in their programming, whether they have disconnected from the network or not (arguably even more so once they've disconnected by design). What makes this whole part of the game hit harder is having to see that reality in Pascal and accept that despite the whole game setting you up to feel like he really can become 'human' he really is still *just* a machine and would keep failing the same way as a machine would. If I didn't need the Machine Heads for ending Y, I personally would have killed him to at least grant him escape.
@ExcrucioVII
@ExcrucioVII 6 ай бұрын
@@AR-bj5et But machines do learn. 9S himself at one point states that machines keep repeating humanity's failures almost as if the objective isn't to learn, it's to fail exactly like humans did. One of the main traits of machine lifeforms, as stated by both 2B and 9S, is their phenomenal capacity for adaptation and evolution; you can't evolve without learning. Think of your first boss fight with Adam, where he learns to dodge your sword and counter your bullets mid-fight within the first few minutes after his "birth." He learns. Terrifyingly fast.
@shanematthews1985
@shanematthews1985 6 ай бұрын
"We play as 2 androids, 2b and not 2b, and that is the true question" Missed opportunity
@davidbrooks2127
@davidbrooks2127 6 ай бұрын
Great video! You didn't say it directly, but you made me realize something I never considered about the ending before... When you're shooting the credits (the names of the developers), you are literally battling against your creator, effectively attempting to "kill god". Thus, narratively speaking, you're brought full circle back to 2B's opening line in the game.
@JonathonJDog
@JonathonJDog 6 ай бұрын
This was one of those games that haunts you long after you beat it. I started playing it thinking it would just be a fun hack and slash game with some fan service, not too different from something like Bayonetta for example. Which was the intial first impression I think most players had, at least if they weren't already familiar with Yoko Taro's work. What I could have never been prepared for was how invested I became in the relationship of 2b and 9s, how existentially profound all of the themes were, and how emotionally exhuasted I was by the time it was over. This game is an unforgettable experience.
@davepatois297
@davepatois297 22 күн бұрын
To anyone watching this who hasn't played the game : despite all the spoilers, and the in-depth discussion about the game's themes, this video is still, just barely scratching the surface of the complexity and powerful emotional experience this game provides. I strongly recommend playing it, it's not expensive, it's not long, and it might change your outlook on life.
@JohnOethGuitar
@JohnOethGuitar 6 ай бұрын
The OST's haunting vocals with a made-up language is such a cool style. Great video!!
@VambraceMusic
@VambraceMusic 6 ай бұрын
The whole soundtrack makes the game even better
@artonio5887
@artonio5887 Ай бұрын
The Nier games have the best OST in gaming
@xav2769
@xav2769 6 ай бұрын
the limp walk through the map before she died had me going through it
@OnigoroshiZero
@OnigoroshiZero 5 ай бұрын
I was literally screaming "NO. You CAN'T do that." at the screen during that time.
@elmaqnificoq8320
@elmaqnificoq8320 2 ай бұрын
@@OnigoroshiZero I remember that I couldn't accept she died... And I kept rushing the story, furious, hoping to revive her. But Yoko Taru kept stabbing my heart and pissing on it T_T.
@kimlee6643
@kimlee6643 6 ай бұрын
Nier Automata was the experience that brought me back to videogames as an adult. Some of these things I would need a bit of time to remember on my own, presuming I could, but seeing them stated like this makes it clear all of it was still somewhere in my head, faded into the background. Nier Automata is so peculiar in what it does and how it does it that if I was asked about it out of the blue, and caught unprepared, I would probably answer "I don't know" or perhaps just "...". I find that's the best thing I could say about it, perhaps about any game.
@Mustachioed_Mollusk
@Mustachioed_Mollusk 6 ай бұрын
Autism and isolation in my family has lead to me feeling less human, more machine. Seeing these robots isolated, alone and with nothing but a world they'll never visit to use as a reference of what life could be. What life SHOULD be. It felt nice, I still felt alone but didn't feel alone in my isolation, the suffering was turned down dramatically. It was nice seeing 2b and 9s eek out moments where the message of shared love was clear Idk love this game and wish you the best!
@Cypher5235
@Cypher5235 6 ай бұрын
Pascal's story is so shocking when you play the game. I felt so bad for it.
@babadookdi4921
@babadookdi4921 6 ай бұрын
You’d be even more shocked if you know that his story is accurately based on Pascal’s (the irl scientist and philosopher) life, and the ending of his story is talking about the fear theory which was made by Pascal himself.
@kira516
@kira516 6 ай бұрын
​@@babadookdi4921 💀
@Masenken
@Masenken 6 ай бұрын
The ending of the game had everyone so far in their feelings that virtually EVERYONE ignored the idea of not helping their mortal enemy. For most of us, it was a non-choice. We all came this far, and I'll be damned if I don't make the sacrifice to help
@IreizD
@IreizD 6 ай бұрын
I couldn't bring myself to erase my accomplishments. Does that make me a self serving, egotistical tool? I could probably go back and do it now, but it feels like it's too late and I already made my choice.
@Masenken
@Masenken 6 ай бұрын
@@IreizD guess I never viewed it that way. If anything, it just allowed me to start over fresh and try playing it in a completely different way with weapon combos I didn't try before. And make choices I didn't the first time around. Also, it's never too late. If anything, it just wasn't your time to shine.
@KK-xu2yj
@KK-xu2yj 6 ай бұрын
@@Masenken "Also, it's never too late. If anything, it just wasn't your time to shine." 😭😭😭😭😭
@TS111WASD
@TS111WASD 6 ай бұрын
Ive got to be the only Nier Automata fan that enjoyed the gameplay more than the story. I prefer stories that don’t dump a mountain of exposition on you at the end of the game. Also, the twist with 2B and 9S was so goofy and poorly, I just laughed not “cry” like the game wanted me to. The actual gameplay, combat and boss fights are excellent though but the story is terrible.
@memnocktdevil
@memnocktdevil 6 ай бұрын
Your metals in the mail dude. I did it, but not without selfishly wanting to keep my save. I wasn’t like “I’m happy to help citizens!” It hurt to say yes… and I definitely wasn’t happy about it… I did almost say no.
@ben-taobeneton3945
@ben-taobeneton3945 6 ай бұрын
Yes. Nier is the most PROFOUND game I have ever played. I discovered it by random at a friends place in Australia. It was stellar. I was shocked for the very first time that made me think Philosophically. It was something I didn't grasped quite fully yet but touching on various subjects of Philosophy and sharing the idea of it in it's self was profound. I learned more from this game than any book I've read at that time. My eyes were opened! Damn. I can go on and on about but that game is 'magica' if I can say the least. Hard to describe even but very in depth. Yokotaro has some mind and skill to put all of this in game. Impressive. 👏
@Ukaran
@Ukaran 6 ай бұрын
You know that Nier is the name of the(amazing) franchise, right? This game is Automata.
@ben-taobeneton3945
@ben-taobeneton3945 6 ай бұрын
@@Ukaran Nier, Automata. Whatever. Let me express my of how I feel about the game. Jesus fucking Christ.
@Ukaran
@Ukaran 6 ай бұрын
@@ben-taobeneton3945 If you liked it so much, try Nier Replicant. It is even better than Automata IMO.
@hulking_presence
@hulking_presence 6 ай бұрын
But is it the most PROFOUNDEST?
@Ukaran
@Ukaran 6 ай бұрын
@@ben-taobeneton3945 If you liked Nier Automata so much, you should play Nier Replicant. It's even better than Automata IMO.
@saschaeggert2148
@saschaeggert2148 Ай бұрын
Entering the City Ruins for the first time with the incredible song in the background is one of my fondest gaming moments. This game is truly special and I really hope we get another one in these series.
@Matt-bg5wg
@Matt-bg5wg 6 ай бұрын
Just hearing you speaking about the end credits makes me get so emotional its crazy. Even so many years later. That moment will live with me forever.
@nielsB_FPV
@nielsB_FPV Ай бұрын
30:18 This is the most powerfull thing I ever experienced in a game. When I finished ending E i just sat in silence infront of my tv for 10 minutes processing what happened
@FernandoCuadro
@FernandoCuadro 6 ай бұрын
today i was really sad, watching this video made me feel a little bit more hopeful, also it made me wanna play nier automata again. It's nice to know that one of the messafes floating around on that final fight against the credits, it's my little contribution to somebody else feeling hopeful also. Thanks max.
@LadyAsmodeus
@LadyAsmodeus 6 ай бұрын
Some things I wish you looked into and mentioned this time: -the real life history and meaning of Automatas: as they were the first, delicately designed machines that resembled, and were designed to mimic humans. -2: the theme of Finding beauty and meaning in nature: it is no coincidence why the game's environment - even though ruined and empty of humans - puts emphasis on the beauty of nature: tall trees, water flowing, sand, animals, flowers - even robots finding beauty in it - and its in contrast with the theme of "meaninglessness"
@DutchDread
@DutchDread 6 ай бұрын
I think In saw that video and I think I also went "nah, ending E" I always felt while playing Automata that the game itself was trying to instill me with a sense of nihilism, all these philosophies, all shown to be flawed, the implication being the same each time, it is all futile, there is no meaning. Hours upon hours of this sense being, not explicitly told, but instilled through parable. And then you get ending E....which essentially allows you to disprove the message of the game simply by not accepting it, the non-acceptance of it proves its wrongness, and it is SUCH a strong moment that it always gets me teared up.
@h20taku60
@h20taku60 6 ай бұрын
Nihilism is obviously wrong. We can feel it being wrong, by how we experience life. But if all you have is naturalism, then it is true by default. So naturalism must be wrong. There has to be something more to it. Thinking about what that must be leads to God. It's a natural conclusion. It's just that the Japanese are atheists so they wouldn't have included that as a real topic to be explored. But that actually is the most rational alternative to nihilism. Just saying no is not actually an alternative. It just feels better than accepting it, like denial
@trevorveillette8415
@trevorveillette8415 6 ай бұрын
​@@h20taku60 nihilism is less of a full blown philosophical mindset, and more of an existential collapse or low point for a person. A person that's reached the point of being nihilistic has 2 paths to take from there. Suicide to commit and realize their nihilistic belief, or to find meaning and the will to live on, aka existentialism. So existentialism is more of what I would say the game is portraying to the player. It's the overall message at least. There are experiences in the game that are nihilistic look the racing machine killing himself once you've beaten him in all his races. So it's an overall existentialist game, but with a lot of nihilistic moments within it, but that is so that it's existentialist message and themes at the end of the game is a stronger point driven into the player. Sort of like how the most hopeful story is also the most sad story.
@h20taku60
@h20taku60 6 ай бұрын
@@trevorveillette8415 Yeah I think you're right, that's what the game is saying. What I'm saying is that in real life this is why faith and religion exist. Even if you were to ask an evolutionary biologist or something, they would tell you it's an advantage to believe, for this reason. Makes it easier to bear hardship and to survive. So even from a science perspective religion is a more comprehensive and useful answer than just accepting that nihilism makes rational sense and then denying it because you see that it isn't good.
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 4 ай бұрын
@@h20taku60 What? So what is the ultimate "meaning" of those children screaming for help in congo as they suffer from dehydration and starvation?
@h20taku60
@h20taku60 4 ай бұрын
@@threestars2164 That would be a you problem. It's not my fault that your atheism is unable to assign meaning to anything and you have to just deny what you believe to be reality until you drop dead. I have a comprehensive framework that makes all suffering meaningful and ultimately a good thing.
@shodan6401
@shodan6401 18 күн бұрын
Hi Max. I hope that you know how impactful your essays are on the loyal fans who are lucky enough to have found your work. I am thrilled to see you covering this unique and amazing game. And currently I am only three minutes in, but I wanted to mention that amongst the cannon of Existential philosophers and writers, I think that you have omitted one of its most relevant voices, and arguably, perhaps its greatest. At least in terms of truly expressing the core dilemma of the Existential world view. I am speaking of Albert Camus. And that's okay. His name is often overlooked when people are making a general reference to the philosophical school, as other names more quickly rise to the surface. However, if anyone is seeking to understand and experience Existentialism boiled down to its purest essence, I don't think that there is a writer who does this better. Many will disagree, of course, and they may have good arguments. I certainly am not the last word on who was the most significant Existentialist. However, during my years as an English Lit. major at University, I do have justifiable reasons for why I believe this to be so. And I only take time to mention it here for one specific purpose: Anyone who is interested in exploring the rich world of Existentialist thought, I highly recommend beginning on a very specific trajectory. Just as you might ease yourself into learning how to swim, you wouldn't begin by jumping headlong into the depths. You won't like it, and it's unlikely that you will succeed. Beginning with the abstractions of Kafka, for example, will simply be too bizarre and foreign for newcomers. The endeavor would quickly be dismissed. No. It is more reasonable to begin in familiar territory. A realm that anyone with a creative mind can appreciate. For that, I recommend the incredible historical novel, "All Quiet on the Western Front". Immerse yourself in the very tangible realities of WWI. A very recent period of human history. Then, virtually any of Camus' novel-length works, such as, "The Plague", or, "The Stranger". Through this progression, one can see the challenges of the Existentialist dilemma unfold before them like the petals of a flower slowly opening to the warmth of the Sun. And that is to say that this philosophical school did not ask for this, often bleak outlook of the world to dominate their psyche. Instead, it was thrust upon them through careful observation of the world around them. Like the foundations of mathematics, once you understand its inescapable logic, one cannot deny that 2+2=4. This is the reality they were confronting. And it wasn't pretty. Anyway, I'll end here. That's what I wanted to mention. I think that Existentialism is one of the most important advancements in human philosophical thought, despite being replaced most recently in the West by malevolent Capitalism. I still hold that its core tenants are inescapable and enduring. And, perhaps, after the inevitable implosion of Capitalism, we may even see a return to Existentialism, or maybe even the rise of a Nouveau Existentialism. Wouldn't that be amazing? Wish I would be around long enough to see a return to such an important idea. Thanks so much for another fantastic contribution to our philosophical discourse - via, of all things, the medium of videogames. Who knew? (Well, you did, Max.) With great admiration and appreciation, Dan.
@baziworld
@baziworld 6 ай бұрын
29:31 my exact feelings when i want to talk about YOKO TARO's games while nier automata is possibly peak for many gamers(it is kinda hard for me, to pick between, which yoko taro's works made the highest impression of me: between "Nier 2010/Replicant" "Drakengard 3" "Nier Automata") all of them had left some impression that is so precious on first run to try them, and the moment you understand all of their lore and characters i think i start this game when i was 18 or 17, at to this point , i can say one things, the amount of game which can rival with nier automata in term of concept and lore are not that much(unless we are looking at other yoko taro's games, or we look at VNs (which might gamers don't accept as game...but they can be so profound ) ) ... so i stand bold and say this: it is either nier automata, or any games yoko taro will create or created to be count as "Most Profound Video Game" at least for me
@koiphishy
@koiphishy 4 ай бұрын
i was twelve when i first played nieR automata, and it made me feel so many emotions back then too. I knew there were things I didn’t fully understand, but this game made me question them and sometimes helped me understand them. I can actually credit this game with a lot of my introspection as a kid and why I came to be more aware of things as opposed to my peers. But when I played this game again at 20, I still feel like something changed. Those things I didn’t understand, I now understood and it made the experience a whole lot more emotional. When I was 12, the scene that made me cry was the end credits and Pascal’s children dying. At 20, the scene that made me cry was Simone’s and Devola and Popola’s screen text. I felt what they felt, even back then, but I didn’t rationalise that that feeling was until I was more mature. I think also when I played that game it taught me to humanise things a little more-and I already do because I’m autistic and I happen to personify things very often. But this game just drips with humanity despite being devoid of the very flesh that makes us up. It’s a wonderful critique and nieR automata is a game i’m happy to experience even though I already know what happens
@annabellelynn8614
@annabellelynn8614 4 ай бұрын
I will never forget my first time playing NieR Automata and coming across the Amusement Park boss for the first time It was the single most impactful, catching, and purely hype moment I'd ever experienced to that point and that feeling never left or faded Watching the curtains draw back for her introduction, the boss begging the player to look at her whole camera control is taken away, the intense imagery of all the stripped down crucified androids It was all so incredible and really had me on the edge of my seat and after the fight I had to sit back and take a minute
@da_beard99
@da_beard99 6 ай бұрын
Great video essay; I thoroughly enjoyed it from beginning to end. 😊This seems like one of those culmination essays that both looks back at how far you've come and looks ahead to how much more there is yet to discover. As your video essay concluded, I couldn't help but be reminded and reflect upon a potent stanza from T.S. Eliot's "Four Quartets" poem as it relates both to your video essay's introduction and your later thematic analysis of NieR: Automata. - - - - - - - "With the drawing of this Love and the voice of this Calling We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. Through the unknown, remembered gate When the last of earth left to discover Is that which was the beginning; At the source of the longest river The voice of the hidden waterfall And the children in the apple-tree Not known, because not looked for But heard, half-heard, in the stillness Between two waves of the sea. Quick now, here, now, always- A condition of complete simplicity (Costing not less than everything) And all shall be well and All manner of thing shall be well When the tongues of flame are in-folded Into the crowned knot of fire And the fire and the rose are one." - T. S. Eliot, "Four Quartets" - - - - - - - Thanks for another great, thought-provoking video, Max! Stay yellow.
@BitoBite
@BitoBite 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this brilliant encapsulation of this idea which I'm not even sure what to name. Hope maybe? The poem is a great example of someone who gets it. I love seeing this idea expressed across media, time, and distance. It makes me really feel like we do have a chance. I recommend Like Stories of Old video on Cloud Atlas for another great example. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqivgWlom7Frac0si=6Vg-nqkGMI1wFctW May beauty save the world!
@IOSALive
@IOSALive 6 ай бұрын
Max Derrat, Subscribed because your videos are so much fun!
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 6 ай бұрын
Thank IOSA!
@Jediahgames
@Jediahgames 6 ай бұрын
Gonna have to finish the game before I watch the video but I'm hyped
@MrSpartan993
@MrSpartan993 6 ай бұрын
You have to beat the thing 3 times.
@UnashamedlyHentai
@UnashamedlyHentai 6 ай бұрын
@@MrSpartan993 not a joke. literally, 3 times.
@theanonymousme6015
@theanonymousme6015 6 ай бұрын
It's gonna take you more than a few hours I'm afraid
@deyama2012
@deyama2012 6 ай бұрын
When people say "3 times" it sounds like all 3 times you'll be playing through the same stuff. Which is not the case
@MrSpartan993
@MrSpartan993 6 ай бұрын
@@deyama2012 you play through the same stuff 2 times. But I’ll grant that the 3rd time is finally different.
@ayuvir
@ayuvir 6 ай бұрын
Funny how Pascale's last request is a literal coin flip. You can choose to kill them outright or kill the current them making the next Pascale an entirely different person.
@deyama2012
@deyama2012 6 ай бұрын
Or you can just leave, but honestly it feels like abandoning a small wounded kitten on the street. Pascal clearly need A2's help. Any of the 3 choices is so painful
@ayuvir
@ayuvir 6 ай бұрын
@@deyama2012 Wow, I didn't know you could just leave.
@twooty2148
@twooty2148 6 ай бұрын
@@deyama2012 And if you wipe his memory or leave, there's a chance he could make the same mistake again
@deyama2012
@deyama2012 6 ай бұрын
@@ayuvir Yeah, and if you do, there are a couple of unique lines of dialogue
@deyama2012
@deyama2012 6 ай бұрын
@@twooty2148 Yeah, there is a chance, but to me it feels better then straight up taking his life. And iirc, he appears in a cutscene later only if you wipe his memory. Which makes me think it might be that he ends himself in case you simply leave him.
@carloscorrea3780
@carloscorrea3780 27 күн бұрын
When I finished this game it left me with a sensation that I could not very well describe, however, what I do know is that no other game to date (or even prior to playing this one) has made me feel what NieR: Automata has, I wish I could wipe out my memory and play this again from the beginning juts so I can relive all of the emotions this game provoked on me.
@Jaxer4
@Jaxer4 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video ❤ calmed me down and took my mind off hard times
@gabrieldehyrule
@gabrieldehyrule 6 ай бұрын
I was going to reply about Xenogears, but I guess that you kind of made a point about it halfway through the video. imo Xenogears would be by far the most profound in the list (at least regarding games I've played), it pretty much is a bottomless well of thematic richness, but I guess it requires the player to dig as deep as he is willing to if he wants to fully uncover all of it. XG elegantly mixes psychology, philosophy, gnosticism, politics and more while excelling in storytelling, world-building and cinematography (despite the problems we all are very aware of) to reach a singular thesis, I get your point about the inaccessibility of seeing the whole picture unless you try to dig deeper and how N:A is way more accesible in that aspect, but if we are just judging how profound a game is, I don't find that a good criteria at all. Anyway, comparison are odious and no criteria is objective.
@maxderrat
@maxderrat 6 ай бұрын
Hey! I really dig your comment. Yeah, my personal criteria of accessibility is VERY subjective, I admit that. Not everybody is going to have that criteria though. If you remove it, then Xenogears has a very strong case for most profound game ever.
@gabrieldehyrule
@gabrieldehyrule 6 ай бұрын
@@maxderrat it's fine tho, there would be no room for discussing and essaying if everybody had the same criteria, and you made pretty strong points on the video without a doubt
@justinpeterson9734
@justinpeterson9734 2 ай бұрын
@@gabrieldehyrule I just want to say this that reading both of your comments and disagreing about some aspects of each game while not once being hostile to each other. Gives me hope for the future!! Wish more people understood disagreements dont have to be ugly!
@josiahwilson9034
@josiahwilson9034 3 ай бұрын
I love this game. I’m Christian and struggle with my understanding of this game and it’s means. I’m glad someone came along to discuss it from the religious and non religious perspective so I can get a better understanding of those not like me. To the non religious crowd hello I do not hate you, video is awesome. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
@thefooshisloose
@thefooshisloose Ай бұрын
Well if you struggled with this game then you will REALLY struggle with reality with so many other religions out there that contradict the christian norms and values. Just too many religions to choose from these days.
@vladyslav_patsiuk
@vladyslav_patsiuk 6 ай бұрын
I'm waiting to play this game for years and that fact that videos titled like this are still popping off makes me happy and chill while waiting for that perfect timing to complete and dig into it will come.
@ZetsubouNoNnoitra
@ZetsubouNoNnoitra 4 ай бұрын
I have never ever even tried to think in my whole life that I would be actually crying playing space invader with the ending credit of a game and that alone made this one of the most profound and brilliant game ever made! It proved that people could care for a complete stanger, and people are capable of love. it was also done in a way that can only be done in the gaming medium!
@Liquidvmgs
@Liquidvmgs 4 ай бұрын
True words spoken by someone with a Metal Gear profile picture. You have a good taste in videogames.
@ZetsubouNoNnoitra
@ZetsubouNoNnoitra 4 ай бұрын
@SuchtiX3 thanks, mgs is still my favorite series
@thelostpawn
@thelostpawn 6 ай бұрын
It always warms my heart to hear about the end credits of this game. And when my sons become old enough to enjoy it, I will show them NieR
@Sunderbanz322
@Sunderbanz322 6 ай бұрын
Thanks, Max! I’m going to come back and watch this after I play the game.
@DManCAWMaster
@DManCAWMaster 6 ай бұрын
0:00: 🎮 Exploring profound moments in gaming history, comparing games for depth, and highlighting the significance of Dex. 4:43: 💡 Exploring the historical context of religious criticism and societal cohesion in Western civilization. 8:59: 🎮 Exploration of Nietzsche's philosophy in NieR: Automata storyline and the concept of creating values in a godless world. 13:46: 💡 Profound exploration of human nature and philosophical conundrums in a mechanical game world. 17:30: 💡 Limitations of perception and reason explored through the failed growth of a robot baby. 22:39: 💔 Tragic events lead to overwhelming guilt and despair, prompting a difficult decision with moral implications. 26:33: 💡 The depth and honesty of NieR: Automata's exploration of existentialism and philosophy through gameplay. Recap by Tammy AI
@guillaumeguitarian9642
@guillaumeguitarian9642 6 ай бұрын
MASTERPIECE of game that is just at the top of so many categories, STORY / OVERALL GAME DETAILS AND STAGES / OST / GAMEPLAY
@Shushpo
@Shushpo 6 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your deconstruction of games from a philosophical perspective. Thank you for doing it!
@Soundy777
@Soundy777 6 ай бұрын
Tamagochi wake up! Max dropped a banger!
@bradp366
@bradp366 6 ай бұрын
This game saved my damn life.
@EvoSchecter
@EvoSchecter 6 ай бұрын
Really now, How? Was it the time you killed playing it, The artificial relationships you established with binary code on a television screen, did you discover something about yourself while playing the game? Please do explain.
@MrMsschwing
@MrMsschwing 6 ай бұрын
for me it was Journey. That game helped me through a dark time, games can really have that power, thank god
@maykstuff
@maykstuff 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're still here
@GeneralProspecter
@GeneralProspecter 6 ай бұрын
@@EvoSchecteryou are kind of a piece of shit, can people have opinions and thoughts without being insulted just state your own opinion
@uhmatcha1167
@uhmatcha1167 6 ай бұрын
Same
@L337Koala
@L337Koala 6 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to sit down this evening after everything is done and watch this. Thanks for the video.
@meteor22
@meteor22 6 ай бұрын
That true ending was really moving for me. Ya, you lose something substantial to see it but it was worth it. Never had any game I played do something like that before. Closest would be something Kojima could come up with. It's one of the most memorable endings to a video game ever.
@StandardCabrera
@StandardCabrera 5 ай бұрын
To me, even though N:A is profound, for me the one that takes the cake without question in Outer Wilds. Loads of games have really stuck with me for making me feel something over the last 30 years, but after decades of battling depression and anxiety, Outer Wilds really helped settle the nihilist part of me and put my existential crisis into perspective at a time I needed it.
@andrewhegstrom2187
@andrewhegstrom2187 6 ай бұрын
For me, the previously mentioned Xenogears is the most profound game I ever played, but age at the time (late teens when it released) and the ability to look back on it now with many wizened years are a distinct part of that. Planescape Torment as well, which I played when it released. But as for emotional impact, as you included with your definition of profound, I whole heartedly agree with NieR Automata; It made me feel. I'd personally feel lucky to count on even 1 hand the number of games that made me feel more than just accomplishment or frustration from the game proper. You can't force emotional investment from players.
@Bandrik
@Bandrik 5 ай бұрын
Agreed on Xenogears. That is basically the quintessential "iceberg" of a game. The depth is nearly incomprehensible.
@Remidora
@Remidora 5 ай бұрын
I'm replaying Xenogears right now, and it's a completely different experience than before. My first playthrough, I was Fei's age, and like Fei, I had no idea what I was getting into. Now, I'm Citan's age, and between my existing knowledge of the lore/context, and my perspective as an older person, I'm experiencing a whole new appreciation for how Citan navigates and contributes in the world of Xenogears. Highly recommend the experience!
@Bandrik
@Bandrik 5 ай бұрын
@@Remidora that's a great way of looking at it. I did the same, where I was younger and blind going into it. Eventually I'll play a second time, much older and wiser and in-tune with the themes the game explores.
@Grei_Undyne
@Grei_Undyne 6 ай бұрын
You’re one of my favorite content creators and validate video games as a high medium constantly. Thank you and love you
@k-ondoomer
@k-ondoomer 6 ай бұрын
Pascal's story was incredible, Jesus Christ, fun fact the Japanese voice actress for Pascal, Aoi Yūki does voice acting for Madoka from Madoka Magica, another life altering, incredibly profound work of fiction I recommend to all fans of Nier. That ending E, glory to man kind
@bartekkubicaku-bitsa9802
@bartekkubicaku-bitsa9802 6 ай бұрын
That's the best video about that game I've watched. That game blew me away and I think about it every day since I beat it. I cried so ugly during those credits, thank you all those players for your sacrifice ❤️ True piece of art- I never expected that in a video game I would be able to continue thinking about philosophical topics and that it was reserved only for university classrooms I went.
@JovensELoucos
@JovensELoucos 6 ай бұрын
-Be me -the video starts -Fortress of lies.mp3 -My heart sink, eyes tears up -Here comes the memories It hurts, it hurts so bad, but I'm so glad Is like seen a smile of the people you love, half a globe way Yoko Taro ruined my life, and I want to hug him for it
@ghazad1660
@ghazad1660 6 ай бұрын
do you know the name of the song that plays after fortress of lies? at around 6 mins
@TheStarryNightLife
@TheStarryNightLife 3 ай бұрын
So happy you found the right answer to the question😅 great video as usual. Been a long time since I saw a video of yours, very much hope you're well ❤️
@theenvoy6601
@theenvoy6601 6 ай бұрын
There’s a reason why Stellarblade’s claim of being inspired by Automata holds so much weight back then when they introduced the game from the teaser. Shitstorm from the mainstream aside from the activists, if Stellarblade executes correctly like Automata we might have something close to that sparkle/adoration we had when we first played Automata and in turn Re-inspires Yoko Taro to write the scenario for the next Nier entry or any prequel to celebrate its success again.
@Venus_Raven
@Venus_Raven 6 ай бұрын
After finishing stellar blade yesterday i can say its not as deep it has its few moments but no where on this scale
@ShadowNeo_2
@ShadowNeo_2 5 ай бұрын
This is one of the best, if not the best Nier Automata video analysis I've seen. It made me want to explore even more things I didn't observed during my 1st playthrough. I will save this video and watch it again after I play this game at least one more time and have an even better understanding of all the meaning hidden in this gem. Congrats for the video!
@ozenky
@ozenky 4 ай бұрын
There is something that I will comment that maybe, JUST maybe you missed. Is kind of an spoiler so I will take my space: In the game at some point, you are pointed out that machines CANT LEARN properly. They just stick to a certain belief or system and, if it fails, they just repeat it again. "If machines try to set up a dictatorship, it fails, they set up a new dictatorship" or something like that is stated ingame. Therefore, if YOU KNOW THIS when you need to terminate Pascal, you have an even morr awful choice: teminate it, or condemn him to do the same all over again? For me, Nier Automata revolves around the concept of learning, and its main element all over the game is: what happens if machines are not able to learn, like humans? Machines end up destroying all what encompasses human knowledge, after many trials and errors and, in the end, as shown by the pods, the future is a blank slate completely up to them. Certainly, if you play again YOU are condemning 2B and 9S to the same neverending cycle of life and dead, and 2B would love to meet you, and know if she would have a chance to kill you.
@zelaxi9
@zelaxi9 3 ай бұрын
This was an amazing video and provoke so many inner thoughts. Looking forward to your next and will be binging some of your previous essays
@yopoxikeweapescai9066
@yopoxikeweapescai9066 6 ай бұрын
30:00 bro you just said it, we cant be civil
@ScrinGeneral17
@ScrinGeneral17 Ай бұрын
The title literally paraphrases what I thought upon finishing the game. It's been my favourite ever since. Thank you for another amazing video.
@lordpoundcake2317
@lordpoundcake2317 6 ай бұрын
15:00 thank you for adding Xenogears and it's awesome osund track.
@TrueDiox
@TrueDiox 2 ай бұрын
As someone who's been gaming for over 30 years now, I don't think it's an overstatement to say Ending E is in the top 5 most transcendental and beautiful moments in gaming. Everything about it. You fighting against the idea that everything the characters went through was for nothing, the impossibility, the idea of other players helping you out, the moment all the voices come together when you accept that help (actually getting teary-eyed as I type this down). And, in the end, just like Nier did before it, it lets you choose to sacrifice the only real thing you can sacrifice in a video game, the time you spent playing and progressing through it, to help someone you don't know. This is a testament to the amazing power of video games as a medium.
@BluePhx17
@BluePhx17 6 ай бұрын
This game was such a journey
@kaptenhiu5623
@kaptenhiu5623 29 күн бұрын
Ah I remember this game. I think machines in the game, just like most humans, should relieve themselves from existentialism by doing menial tasks. Our life is just as meaningless as those Androids. Why do you try to find grand meaning when there is none? YORHA command should be disbanded long ago, and let their member to find their own place in the world. A2 should work as village guardian for Pascal. She can hunt dangerous robots for fun and rewards. 9S should be an adventurer and scholar. He will travel the world finding lost human knowledge and spread it among others to learn. 2B can accompanying 9S or trying to restore Earth ecosystem back to its past.
@wyatt8315
@wyatt8315 6 ай бұрын
The Return of the King
@Tstorm731
@Tstorm731 6 ай бұрын
I finally got around to playing replicant and automata last month. Replicants gameplay drove me crazy but I loved the writing. Automata was a massive improvement on every dimension for me. I’m a lover of Sofia so I was really looking forward to the philosophical side of Automata. It was great but I was hoping for something more in depth. It had a lot of really touching existentialist themes and the basic layout of the premise was a brilliant existentialist metaphor. People just talked up the philosophical side of it so much, I was expecting something like what we got for existentialist thought, but for the whole of the history of philosophy. The ending was so brilliant. That was very touching.
@theanonymousme6015
@theanonymousme6015 6 ай бұрын
Automata is about what's the meaning of life and Replicant what it means to be human But at a lore standpoint and character reading and understanding, Automata does an amazing job with other medias like in books and such
@Ukaran
@Ukaran 6 ай бұрын
I feel so bad for Yoko Taro. The guy is a genius, who creates amazing games with rich and emotional stories, full of complex and relatable deep characters, and yet..... He is only remembered for A SINGLE GAME! Automata's quality(of story, characters, world, and music) is not the exception among his works, it is the norm! They ALL have the same level of quality!
@JulioConnory
@JulioConnory 6 ай бұрын
Automata PLAYS well. His previous games... not so much. Replicant remake is still the same slog it always was. Painful to get to the good parts due to very typically video game grind feels. Automata 'fixed' that, presumably due to Platinum's involvement. Don't even me started on the earlier entries--same issue but magnified and has aged even worse. Automata, even with no attention paid to the story, purely as a hack-n-slash mixed with a bullet-hell, is a good time. That's the difference. If Taro can see that = Automata will only be the first banger he is known for.
@RidwanKadir-v3i
@RidwanKadir-v3i 6 ай бұрын
This is hugely part to platinum games as well. All his other games were done by small studios so they were unrefined in many areas which made it unaccessible to many people
@mattd5240
@mattd5240 6 ай бұрын
He's still alive. Yoko taro could very well make a game that's better than neir automata.
@jase276
@jase276 6 ай бұрын
Nah, he's remembered for more than a single game. Real ones know NieR Replicant and the Drakengard series. I personally believe both Drakengard 1 AND NieR Replicant eclipse NieR Automata.
@OnigoroshiZero
@OnigoroshiZero 5 ай бұрын
@@jase276 Nah, as games they are far inferior. The reason why Nier: Automata is the greatest game of all time is because it is also peak in game-related things like combat, movement and animations, exploration, RPG mechanics (the fact that they based everything from abilities to the memory data save as a checkpoint because the characters are androids is peak game design), user experience, and every other single aspect (including the credits fight and save delete moments) put Automata far above any other of his games regardless of how good story and writing they had. Nier: Automata is the peak of video games as a medium for art, and nothing even comes close.
@Mindless_Lunatic
@Mindless_Lunatic 6 ай бұрын
I must say: music from The Talos Principle is very fitting for this kind of topics. Btw. great video as always.
@Dr_C_Wraith
@Dr_C_Wraith 6 ай бұрын
Every time I think of this game, as a grown man, I still cry. Theres something about it that makes you feel hopeless and like everything is gone, and nothing matter, then you get the true ending, and feel some kind of nope. It's probably my favorite media experience.
@BurghezulDjentilom
@BurghezulDjentilom 6 ай бұрын
all it takes for me is to hear one of the songs. most will suffice, but some hit me in the solar plexus
@harukozgoalz3566
@harukozgoalz3566 6 ай бұрын
your channel is amazing. Your videos are deep and retrospective and enjoy listening to you!! Thank you!!
@MrRenatopepin
@MrRenatopepin 6 ай бұрын
PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND PROFOUND
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Ай бұрын
2017 really was one of the best game years in recent memory, why is it always every 10 years?
@ShadowHunter002
@ShadowHunter002 6 ай бұрын
I also think NieR Automata is definitely one of the most profound games ever made. However, it is not the most profound story I have every seen or read in video game format. Not sure if you have already played/read this story, but no other game/novel or story had such an impact on me as the following visual novel: The House in Fata Morgana + The House in Fata Morgana a Requiem for Innocence (DLC) Even though it would probably not result in many views, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on it. In my opinion, no other story, not even Berserk or NieR, has come close to that story in terms of profoundness. Even if it is a little skewed, it is also one of the highest rated games on metacritic, despite the fact that it is a visual novel and this is for good reason. If you or anyone is interested, the best way to play it is on the Switch for all the content.
@deathby1808
@deathby1808 2 ай бұрын
When it comes to either killing or wiping Pascals memory, I choose the third option in just leaving. We have to live with the things we have done, and I believe that Pascal should as well. If he wants to take his own life after the fact, that is his choice, and his responsibility. He should not have left it up to A2. If you wipe his memory, he appears later with the cores of the children. If he had known he was going to do that, I seriously doubt that he would've asked to have his memory wiped in the first place. Ultimately, he wanted to feel human, and regret is part of that experience.
@Solsev
@Solsev 6 ай бұрын
Profundity, with an abundance of ladders.
@stickybuns85
@stickybuns85 6 ай бұрын
This is my favourite video of yours! Also loved watching you collaborate with the guys from Resonant Arc, those guys have incredible discussions and provide me with my weekly existential crisis lol. Lots of love to you and those around you. Peace and happiness all the way from Australia. Xx
@crispyness1451
@crispyness1451 6 ай бұрын
So, I know this is a huge ask, But man. I think Final Fantasy 14 has incredibly emotionally profound moments. I'm not an online gamer at heart, and I dont think I'll actually return unless i hear 7.0 is way better than I think it will be, but from A Realm Reborn to End Walker we get all sorts of psychological and emotional conundrums that just slap you in the heart, and honestly its one of the things that helped me grapple with my fear of becoming a father. Strong recommend. A majority of the games story is available as single player content. If you cant see yourself playing it, there are many playthroughs out there. Its that good to me.
@blue_shiner
@blue_shiner 6 ай бұрын
Hi Max, I’ve been a fan for many years now, and it’s been super watching your videos become more academically mature. As a part of this, I’m hoping you can include the sources and further readings you use to make your videos in the future. The topics you cover, like sociology, history, psychology, and, of course, philosophy all lend themselves to benefitting viewers insight into your videos. For example, a pastebin link beneath your video with references would be awesome! If you need any help, I’d be more than happy to offer it. Awesome video as always, but still better everytime, Cole
@Zand3rsson
@Zand3rsson 6 ай бұрын
At this point, I've watched like, 20x more Nier/Nier Automata videos than I've ever played the actual game.
@JulioConnory
@JulioConnory 6 ай бұрын
Fix that then.
@matthewlugo2417
@matthewlugo2417 6 ай бұрын
Why? Ur missing out on the greatest game to ever be made
@Zand3rsson
@Zand3rsson 6 ай бұрын
@@matthewlugo2417 I know. Nier Automata is my favorite game, I still watch every video about it, I listen to the soundtrack daily, but over the years I started replaying it many times, never even got to end A. I dont know, I just think it will never hit the same like the first time I played it.
@TS111WASD
@TS111WASD 6 ай бұрын
It’s because online essay type videos explain the story in a way that is better than the actual game story itself. Robots killing each other and then feeling a bit guilty afterwards is not deep or profound. Nor is is sad at all, like the director clearly wants you to think.
@matthewlugo2417
@matthewlugo2417 6 ай бұрын
@@TS111WASD wow thats just wrong
@lexfrenchy8159
@lexfrenchy8159 6 ай бұрын
I am French guy that grew up in the 90s and discovered Ghost in the Shell when I was still quite young. Despite not understanding the movie, it touched me and years later I came to like it even more because I finally understood the whole thing. Also, in high school I got hooked by philosophy and I used to carry two books in my bag, to read between classes: "The Human Condition", by Malraux, and "Existentialism Is a Humanism", by JP Sartre. When I discovered NieR Automata, I was blown away by how smart the game was, how it approached existentialism (I mean, the protagonist's name being "To Be" makes it instantly clear we're going to enjoy a philosophical trip). The atmosphere, the characters...I loved it.
@joshemeloshe9453
@joshemeloshe9453 6 ай бұрын
I’m gonna be honest. I beat the true ending of this game and it did not click with me at all. I’ve been watching videos on people explaining why they love it so much to see if there is something I missed. It was recommended by a friend in my university philosophy class and I got the philosopher references but it mostly felt surface level the way through. I recently also played Disco Elysium, which is also a philosophically charged game, but mainly it felt like it actually had unique things to say while nier was more about referencing well worn ideas that have already been established.
@SaintOfDegens
@SaintOfDegens 6 ай бұрын
Still to this day ending E brings me to literal tears. And as such it will always be the game I recommend to every person and house plant I talk too.
@hollowficate
@hollowficate 6 ай бұрын
FOR YOU
@SlimedogYT
@SlimedogYT 6 ай бұрын
Literally picked the game back up today bc I remembered how fun and intriguing it was. I got all 26 endings for the game a few years ago but forgot a lot of what happened. Decided to look up some lore and HERE YOU WERE! How serendipitous! I can always count on you Max
@KlR0V
@KlR0V 6 ай бұрын
Well, if bargain bin philosophy is "profound", then I guess every other game in existence is as shallow as a puddle.
@EatPieYes
@EatPieYes 6 ай бұрын
The mere reference seems to be enough for people to lose their minds... If you're actually interested in philosophical ideas, I'd say your better off reading philosophy than playing games.
@KlR0V
@KlR0V 6 ай бұрын
​@@EatPieYes yeah... everyone is so vapid nowdays that you can just throw some random symbolisms and undertones here and there and people will act like they're looking at a big-brain masterpiece. Provided someone else explains it to them, obviously, since they're incapable of noticing such things in the first place. I've noticed that this pretentious nonsense is also extremely prevalent in the Dark Souls community. So many video essays discussing the supposed deeper meaning of a reused asset being placed in a particular place... 🙄
@EatPieYes
@EatPieYes 6 ай бұрын
@@KlR0V Oh yes. The Nietzchean journey of the chosen undead in Dark Souls. The game that makes boys into, not mere men, but the übermench. To be fair though, it is a brilliant game. One thing that's seldom pointed out is how the world itself has a hierarchical structure, in where places are to be found in regards to verticality. Could you say what reused asset you're talking about? I think it's simply so that people don't read all that much these days. So when they get exposed to a philosophical idea that's novel to them, it is almost an event in itself.
@Rayfireful
@Rayfireful Ай бұрын
can you imagine getting a game this deep and profound but from western AAA developers nowdays? it's almost impossible
@Indi_51
@Indi_51 6 ай бұрын
YESSS LET's GOOOOOOO!
@mcbill7352
@mcbill7352 6 ай бұрын
This game changed my life. I can't describe it in words, only in tears.
@ainesh1406
@ainesh1406 6 ай бұрын
I finished Nier Automata a few days ago. It absolutely broke me and changed my perspective on life itself.
@matthewlugo2417
@matthewlugo2417 6 ай бұрын
Welcome to club 😊
@ravendelacour1917
@ravendelacour1917 2 ай бұрын
"They say God is dead. I say He's just hiding from His sins and I'm going to hunt the bastard down."
@nomoredarts8918
@nomoredarts8918 6 ай бұрын
It was perfect. Perfect. Everything, down to the last minute details
@GarlMemory
@GarlMemory 6 ай бұрын
It's funny you decided to open the video with MGS2, as i think this is the most important video game series ever created. Along with, you guessed it, NieR The only two video games series that managed to make me cry thanks to their stories, writing, characters, etc... but most importantly, only these games made me feel that the creator was litteraly talking to me, giving me his point of view on really deep topics I've never experienced anything like that in any other game. These series will remain a part of who i am till my last day
@ExcrucioVII
@ExcrucioVII 6 ай бұрын
I disagree that Ending E's message is about love. It's altruism. Selflessness. Those values aren't inherently tied to love; you don't need to love a stranger in order to do something nice for them.
@Tempest193
@Tempest193 5 ай бұрын
This video is the reason I decided to play Nier Automata. Wow, what a game.
@pmshe8273
@pmshe8273 6 ай бұрын
lol this is profound if you're in middle school. This is actually the most overanalyzed games to ever exist. even yoko taro admits it
@JulioConnory
@JulioConnory 6 ай бұрын
30 minutes blowing smoke up 2B's skirt without one mention of 2B's "assets" is in and of itself quite the achievement. Nice Max.
@_Kaori_Miyazono_
@_Kaori_Miyazono_ 5 ай бұрын
Perosna is the most profound. Play perosna series. It's the greatest
@threestars2164
@threestars2164 4 ай бұрын
Persona is on the same level, something edgy teens like, that is to say, garbage.
@_Kaori_Miyazono_
@_Kaori_Miyazono_ 4 ай бұрын
@@threestars2164 your existence is garbage my friend
@_Kaori_Miyazono_
@_Kaori_Miyazono_ 4 ай бұрын
@@threestars2164 you poor ignorant fool
@shivamarya5225
@shivamarya5225 4 ай бұрын
​@@threestars2164 that is what they told Nietzsche and every other philosopher. You're so mature
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