Why No Hit True Pacifist Will "Probably" Never Happen

[@ShayyTV]

I'm not sure people fully understand the gravity of why this challenge most likely will never see completion. I have done hundreds, maybe even thousands of playthroughs of True Pacifist for speedruns. I have not once, not a single time, ever successfully no-hit that attack in Asriel P4 (just so it's clear, the attack being referred to is the attack where Asriel throws hundreds of rainbow comets at you, which might be news that it's even possible to avoid). Hell, I'm not even sure if I've ever once even had an RNG state that would make it even be possible to no-hit. It's not a matter of player skill, execution, or anything like other "impossible" challenges you've seen on KZbin videos or in speedrunning - this is sheer dumb luck. There's many of us who could confidently no-hit the entire rest of the game, but doing all that on top of what is essentially a lottery win is just soul crushing. Completing this challenge doesn't hold that much merit to where people want to grind for it, anyways. Just speaking for myself, personally, it's just luck when compared to just a Neutral Ending no-hit. I could do so, so many other things that showcase skill in the game, and this just is not worth dedicating time to in my eyes. I did a no-hit run of the entire Genocide route because even though there's some luck in not getting unavoidable attacks from certain enemies (Astigmatism...), it's still mostly a skill thing. That's where things currently stand. If some kind of perfect RNG manipulation that didn't require 15 minutes of sustained frame perfect gameplay is discovered, somehow, and as someone who understands the inner workings of this game that is a VERY slim possibility, then things may change; but that wouldn't prove any points in this video wrong, it would just provide a new approach that didn't exist before and bypass the problems outlined here.

[@RealSilGaming]

Truer words have never been spoken. Thank you for your input.

[@REDACTED504]

Yeah. It’s implausible as all hell. And I think that’s why it’s still a good fight generally, it feels like Asriel (with that still Flowey/‘evil’ persona he has), making the fight unfair and all.

[@lawxz23]

Hi Shayy :)

[@DeathclawJedi]

Improbable as it may be it IS possible. I mean once upon a Time it was thought to be impossible to get a true win Crash of the game Tetris. Then some Kid did it at age 12 or something. Still a no hit in pacifist run in UT.... Yeah I wish only the best for the folks chasing that star. All the Luck in the world Be with them and may their hands never cramp and eyes never glaze.

[@ephraimium6755]

​@@DeathclawJediThe thing with the killscreen in NES Tetris is that it's thought to be "impossible" in the first place due to the limit of human's physical capability and control's inputs limitations. When a player found a way to bypass the control's inputs problem by a technique called "rolling" and another player compiled an of all the distorted color in the latter part of the game it's just boiled down to human's skill and time. P4 Asriel's spam attack; on the other hand, wasn't even made with the intend to be dodgable and is just a lottery jackpot roll on top of a 1 and a half hour run for speedrunner and 3-5 hours for casual run.

[@gengar_animations]

I don’t think people understand how mentally taxing it is to do not hit true pacifist. Like Sil said, you’d need 7 hour play sessions to even have a chance at this, so overall playtime will be well in the thousands. And to those saying “you’ll get more consistent”, no you won’t, as there are luck locks. Sil themselves has put countless hours into this and has already started feeling mentally drained, and I couldn’t even imagine getting to asriel consistently every few hours just to die to phase 4. Of course, I’m not an expert, I haven’t done asriel hitless or anything and I never will, but some logic is necessary to tackle this topic.

[@RealSilGaming]

Correction, this isn't as mentally draining as... well, life, but basically yeah, good summary.

[@maxmanchik]

Some could even say... That it's *soul crushing* 😂 Get it? Cause you lose all *DETERMINATION* to continue doing this 😂 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@SuperDestroyerFox]

@@poleve5409 That was the joke😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@axelbrum2654]

Bro is saying that as if we are not 2 frames away from frame perfection on sm1

[@gengar_animations]

@@axelbrum2654 sm1 has been around for much longer, is more popular, and most importantly, isn't an rng fest. People can route precise inputs much easier in sm1 because the game is simpler and there's no variance involved, while here, it doesn't seem to be as likely

[@Aphelia.]

I never played Undertale- but I needed a video that is exactly 9 minutes and 48 seconds long to watch while I ate my lunch. 10/10

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

mood

[@evnnxi]

Nice

[@legendarysands4892]

mood

[@creeper_was_here]

Nice

[@mrblakeboy1420]

i would suggest playing undertale but this is the type of game that is made significantly worse by spoilers, and this is a significant spoiler. you can still play if you want

[@izzymosley1970]

It looks like the only way to beat this challenges is with the determination to brute force your way through RNG. How fitting for a undertale challenge to be solved by determination.

[@RealSilGaming]

Pretty much

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

Very fitting, in Undertale Determination is the strength to retry after every failure no matter how grievous. You gotta have that if you speedrun/challenge run any game.

[@Floriaka]

Nothing says we cant find Asrial Dreemurrs Boss Fight Coding to find why he throws certain attacks then theory craft around it

[@Spilsbury1989]

Thinking of a new P.B fills you with determination

[@calculuslover2078]

The only bosses which hit unfairly are Omega Flowey and Asriel Dreemurr, both of which are said to have determination. Similar to how the player hits ordinary enemies in guaranteed hit. Determination in both cases.

[@ViolettaFG]

It takes 34 years until someone beats Tetris, a game that NO ONE thought could be beaten. So we gotta wait

[@SOME808GUY-n3r]

That involved a technique discovery. So unless there is some way to ensure a specific rng on multiple bosses...

[@Kaylen_Jakobsen]

ever heard of TAS @@SOME808GUY-n3r?

[@tkienjoyer]

​@@SOME808GUY-n3r People say rng manip is the only way to ensure it, but not necessarily. There could be a visual strategy revamp or something along those lines, but it would be unlike anything ever done in gaming as a whole.

[@A_Toaster]

Silksong will drop the same day we get a no-hit true pacifist

[@Borispocalypse]

@@A_Toaster silksong mentioned, commenter of culture confirmed.

[@TheQ7Gaming]

I agree. The odds of success are low. But hey - youve hit the wr. Thats something to hold with high regard.

[@RealSilGaming]

true...

[@moltengears7483]

Meh i can do it in 3 Hundred​@@RealSilGaming

[@fedethegreat88]

​@@moltengears7483More like thousands

[@Lycronite]

​@@moltengears7483 yeah 300 thousand years

[@drakath5727]

RNG Manipulation definitely sounds like the best option. Other than that, I've got no clue. The list of steps required for such an RNG manip is insane though considering how long it takes to get to that point in the fight. Even then, you'd still need to: A) Create a tool that can search for a humanly viable set of phase 4 patterns within RNG. B) find out how to advance RNG purely manually, and/or find a way to refresh RNG back to square one in the overworld. C) create a setup before the boss fight that when done correctly always arrives you at that idealistic phase 4 pattern. The fact that you even got it down to 4 hits in of itself is already monumental, let alone an individual no hit fight of Asriel. The fact that the community has gotten it this far proves to me that it is possible, you all just gotta work smarter, not harder. You're so close, don't stop before the finish line.

[@RealSilGaming]

It would have to be frame-precise if we do manage to get a manipulation technique working due to multiple changing values in the game's code. Even then, we have to get back there every single time we want a chance at getting it just right, and then carry out the execution after that. It sounds like the best approach but it's probably better just to grind the run out without outside interference.

[@drakath5727]

@@RealSilGaming At this point though with how bs phase 4 is I'd honestly say go for it. Theres no harm in at least attempting it if the goals a lower score and not a faster time, since even if you do fail the manipulation its not like you really lost anything in attempting it when you probably were going to lose to phase 4 anyway.

[@Jago1288]

4 hits is a good start. The RNG is gonna be such a mess...

[@Camreamancat]

Man I could do it in 3 *Billion Deaths*

[@Golden_Flower_1]

Yeah, rng can really fuck stuff up. Even if you have literally a perfect run with no mistakes, you can still easily get fucked over at literally the very end 😭 I can only imagine how frustrating that’d be

[@Zorothegallade-rpg]

@@Camreamancat It's ok, as long as you have Determination.

[@TheDragonThatFell]

While I love the enthusiasm of this comment section I don't think most of these people actually understand how lucky you would have to get for a true pacifist no hit. I'm seeing a lot of people saying things like "Asriel no hit has been done so true pacifist is definitely happening" Asriel no hit took 4 - 5 years to happen with hundreds of hours and thousands of attempts. This is because of the insane rng needed. Doing an Asriel no hit after a full pacifist run including Photoshop Flowey and True Lab is incredibly unlikely not even taking into account the nerves you would have at that point. While positivity is good, don't get your hopes up.

[@TheGabrlmed]

Literally an "Imagine the Nerves" but a for a bullet hell instead of Clone Hero.

[@betergrif9504]

Yeah, when you need at least 1 and a half hours between EVERY possible attempt, assuming you do the rest of the game perfectly every time (you won't), it gets ridiculous very quickly

[@Kaika433]

a true undertale player just says "stay determined"

[@Snailing_Suika]

Eh after seeing enough "LoLK no miss no bomb 1cc" (you can search this if you are interested) runs beeing completed I think its just a matter of time and obsession over the game. There just has to be 1 person dedicated enough and we're living in a beautiful world with over 6 Billion people. I think it will get done eventually. Omega Flowey seems the hardest since undertales hitboxes are pretty true to the model and the fight is designed like that. But there is some beautiful crazy other stuff out there in gaming that has been done already.

[@TheDragonThatFell]

​@@Snailing_Suika Omega Flowey isn't the hardest in the run. A full hitless neutral run has been done several times. Asriel is the biggest roadblock and it's because it's at the end of an already extremely difficult run and literally impossible 99% of the time. No hit Asriel has only been done 6 - 7 times ever in the game's 8 year lifespan. While Flowey isn't the hardest boss in the run that doesn't mean its easy. The best consistency a human has ever achieved at Flowey no hit is still less than 50% since can give you an unreactable or downright undodgeable attack combo. There are very few people who are even close to this consistency. You also have to keep in mind that your about 1 hour and 20 minutes in when you do Flowey and you're plenty nervous at that point. Doing all of this and several other rng chokepoints in one 2+ hour long run is the reason this will likely never happen. Right now there are only 3 people who have done both Asriel no hit and Neutral no hit: Zotomon, who isnt active anymore, TheAsriel, who has no interest and believes it would be stupid to even try it, and of course Sil. Currently Sil is the best player actively grinding this and even she hasn't been able to grind it very often. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the chances of a run like this according is so low it likely will never be done. Sorry for the long reply, it just really annoys me when people enter the community thinking they're gonna be the one who does nhtp, but don't fully grasp how unlikely it is.

[@pedrogarcia8706]

If it's anything like Hades, the best way to make something happen within a short amount of time is the make a video saying it'll never happen.

[@thrift272]

This exactly

[@nediacheese]

God that was so funny, i watched the video about it being impossible, and i went to the home screen of youtube and saw the completion that was posted half an hour ago.

[@ThunderCube3888]

This is a reference to ToMinecon.7z,

[@brokos3339]

@@nediacheesewhat are you referring to

[@nediacheese]

@drainer3339 hades max heat run was figured to be impossible for a long time, someone made a 40 minute video detailing why, and a week later it was beaten

[@IceAlias]

I'd like to think someday this will be beaten despite the odds, but in all honesty it won't. No one really wants to put in the time to do a run like this. As cool as it would be if someone did, most people have actual lives and can't invest 10 hours a day doing attempts and trying to find good rng

[@RealSilGaming]

I'm on and off trying to get it and even I have my doubts

[@seandorama5932]

I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom, people have speedrun and no hit many games with absolutely ass RNG, it just going to take a very, very long time! I believe this community can do it!

[@small.clover]

SMB3 and GD players would like to have a word

[@IceAlias]

@@small.clover yes but those are waaaay more popular games. Not that I'm saying Undertale isn't popular, but it's not exactly well known for challenge runs outside of fangames. There are way less people attempting nhtp than people doing smb3 and gd challenges

[@small.clover]

@@IceAlias yeah fair

[@FN0844]

Just watched a video on someone doing a no hit. And he kept on saying at the one part with the undodgeable beam, “AND IF I SEE ONE COMMENT SAYING, ‘YOU GOT HIT’ WITH THIS TIME STAMP, I SWEAR TO GOD’”.

[@RealSilGaming]

Eenox, I'm familiar.

[@FN0844]

@@RealSilGaming okay

[@RealSilGaming]

If you're curious, yes I'm still trying for this run, though I haven't been able to give it a try recently due to IRL matters and thinking about what to do when I stream it

[@kushagrasinghvisen9935]

Its been speedrun before

[@phantom-ri2tg]

Okay but what about a no hit soulless run? That thing people will start asking for if people pull off this run.

[@RealSilGaming]

@@phantom-ri2tg Someone else can handle that shit

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

@@phantom-ri2tg Is there a difference?

[@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her]

@@kushagrasinghvisen9935 By who? Show us.

[@Eviljon-k7q]

Here i was thinking that its because of the final laser attack when your health goes into decimals

[@remix2593]

I'm pretty sure that's not counted due to being impossible to dodge

[@FirethornYT]

Just like Omega Flowey killing you at the end of the fight a bunch of times, unavoidable attacks don't count.

[@lauziyi5728]

@@FirethornYTOr Sans slamming you repeatedly

[@wrigthtalekenavi2066]

and i was about to say because Asriel Dreemurr's "Burn in Despair" stage, as the rainbow shots are both hard to predict, comes from both sides, and numerus enough to make you lose focus on some of the bullets that comes in your way. but yes, Omega/Photoshop Flowey fight is the Acidtrip of UT too.

[@elementgermanium]

I feel like part of the disagreement is that people tend to use "never" as shorthand for "not in the near future." Like, eventually someone's gonna get it monkeys-and-typewriters style, but "eventually" could be a damned long time. Years or more.

[@tychozzyx9439]

I have extreme confidence in the speedrunning community. Even if it takes decades, there are crazy people willing to muscle through "impossible" tricks or "unrealistic" lengths.

[@RealSilGaming]

Even speedrunners don't believe it will ever happen 💀

[@RealSilGaming]

I keep seeing the same comment over and over again. YES I KNOW Eenox has done a full no-hit Asriel but the point I make in this video still stands, it's not currently possible to achieve this run REALISTICALLY because the odds of just doing no-hit Asriel are incredibly low

[@Finity_twenty_ten]

Whelp, I know what I have to do now!

[@aarav6947]

in theory couldn't you close out the game right before you get hit and just savescum asriel until the rng gods cooperate?

[@Yourhandleisntavailable]

i've been trying to fix my pride but that shits broken, I ain’t too proud to beg you, RealSilGaming! Please don’t mute or ban me for my comments and questions! You can no hit Asriel without mashing buttons, you can avoid the laser beams “unavoidable” damage. You can no hit without mashing buttons.

[@RealSilGaming]

@@Yourhandleisntavailable You cannot avoid the laser beams damage, it's scripted. Even if you made it outside the box. kesMadgik proved that.

[@Yourhandleisntavailable]

@@RealSilGaming There is a way to avoid the laser beams damage, without having to hack the games security, and with or without leaving the box.

[@breadvelvet]

seeing several well-meaning comments about how someone put out a video like this about Hades 64-heat, which is a run similarly beholden to extraordinarily good RNG. the key difference between hades and undertale's odds, though, are that for hades, all those dice rolls were more or less front-loaded, so in the likely event that you're unable to string together the necessary build by the time you reach Lernie, it's only a few minutes at most before you can opt to reset and try again. for this challenge in Undertale, though, the crucial dice rolls are basically all stuffed into the back end of a taxing run that's well over an hour long, so resets after bad odds are so much harder to come by. you don't know if a run isn't viable until the very end, and by comparison that's a terrible place to put an rng check for a problem with basically a brute force solution

[@valivanvan]

I'm not super well-versed in Undertale, especially the no-hit side of things, but oh my god, 7 *HOURS* to get to a lottery??? It'd be bad enough if it was 30 minutes, man... Side note, I see a lot of folks in the comments bringing up stuff like perfect touhou/bullet-hell runs and whatnot -- having done several of those myself, they are not comparable in difficulty in the slightest, nor are the games really all that similar to play. Best of luck to anyone who wants to pursue this, though.

[@plugshirt1762]

Yeah there is a difference between an insanely hard bullet hell and a wall of projectiles that are physically impossible to dodge except every thousand runs one time

[@eenox]

I want to say I'm sincerely sorry you've gotten so many comments saying "eenox already did this" 😭 Back when I originally uploaded my No Hit Asriel vid, I got so many comments saying "Merg already did this" because I put "First Ever" in the title, so I relate heavily lmao. I am seriously so so puzzled as to how this many people continue to be confused about these things when everything is REALLY apparent if you simply watch and pay attention to the videos. I guess I prob answered my own question, it's likely people who did not watch or pay attention to the video, and are.. let's say young minds (or so help them). I would have commented sooner to clear this up if I knew how pervasive the sentiment was, hope my comment helps if you happen to heart it.

[@RealSilGaming]

Hey hey, it's not your fault :) That's just how the Internet is nowadays Might as well say my apologies too for our conflicts in the past

[@RealSilGaming]

Hey there. Someone said in the UDCC Discord server (which I'm in) that you're considering this run yourself. I have no way of contacting you other than YT (I'm still banned from your Twitch and IDK if your Discord exists anymore), so I thought I'd ask here: Are you actually considering this or is it a complete lie? Because from what I remember, you said you weren't interested, so to hear this straight out of the blue is kind of strange. Not saying you shouldn't, obviously, but you'd be a welcome candidate for it if you were.

[@eenox]

@@RealSilGaming I was a doubter in my ability, desire to improve, and will to dedicate time on making this run practically possible for myself (mainly the effort involved with attempting to megaboost my consistency on the final/hardest bosses,) but now I feel a good bit drawn by the potential to fulfill my own and many others' wishes- that is actually seeing a no hit of this route despite the odds, since that's kinda the final piece to make this game totally "conquered." I've always been most admiring of full-game no hit/no death runs, because there's such a satisfying feeling that accompanies the knowledge that a game has been completed "Perfectly" to the furthest extent by it own metrics- even if you're not the one who performed it, especially the more difficult or unlikely it is. To me it feels like Undertale is a game that deserves this, even though I know some will argue it's an objectively horrible structure for a no hit run. This challenge has been in the back of my mind for a decent while even before but especially since your vid. I've thought I could hypothetically do it if I was just dedicated- or rather obsessed enough. For some reason I have a stupid amount of hope for a good pattern on asriel phase 4 lol, and am presently very very confident in my phase 2 dodging consistency. I wouldn't say I'm really committed at all yet though, I just have been practicing phase 2 and 4 of asriel a tiny bit spaced out over the past couple weeks, and only sprinkles of flowey. That's basically all it's gonna be for a long while til I believe my consistency is good enough, whenever that may be. If I'm gonna do it, I'll at some point need to get serious with the time investment and consistency. I don't think much practice will be required for the rest of the game though which is nice. tldr; kinda, but not really yet. I've wanted to for a minute, but finally "started" recently. it'll be more obvious if I'm seen streaming a lot more, maybe even be progress vids.

[@RealSilGaming]

@@eenox Interesting. By the way, I have seen snippets of your latest stream, practicing Asriel phase 2 is interesting but phase 4 is just about as good as a dice roll at this point. I've tried so many different things and just as nobody can convince you practice is futile, nobody can convince me that it is not a luckfest, lol

[@eenox]

@@RealSilGamingyeah phase 4 definitely is highly luck-based don’t get me wrong, I just feel like there are still many situations where I *could* read certain patterns Sooner and successfully dodge a bit more than I can currently. So, I’m willing to be in the test chamber for a long time trying to marginally improve my phase 4 ability as much as possible to give me the best odds. Like we all know it’s luck-based, but it still takes a good deal of skill and opportunism to process the attack’s pattern and react accordingly despite the overwhelm. I just love trying to fight against cruel odds (when skill is still a factor) much outside of my control, and seeing how much more in my control I can make it, even if it’s not much.

[@GreyMaria]

It's genuinely surprising to learn from this video that the Venn diagram of Undertale no-hit runners and skilled Touhou players is two completely unconnected circles.

[@williewillus]

Because they're completely different types of games -- one is an hours-long narrative RPG with action-danmaku sequences intermittently interspersed, the other is a 30 minute game that's purely focused on dodging and listening to music. Touhou players are probably not interested in mashing Z for 80% of the time, passing the easy danmaku parts handily, then rolling dice on the impossible parts repeatedly; at least I'm not. Every mainline Touhou game *has* been perfected on Lunatic, but that's because ZUN keeps the random luckshit moments to a minimum (even the hardest attacks like LLS rings and PDH can be manipulated and practiced to be easier), and the games are relatively shorter, making attempts more feasible. The later phase missile spam in this fight is just straight up luckshit with no recourse beyond potential RNG manipulation.

[@GreyMaria]

@@williewillus It sounds like Undertale players are more skilled, then, being able to react and adapt. 💙

[@williewillus]

@@GreyMaria lol

[@spiceforspice3461]

@@GreyMaria I don't think "hoping this attack is actually dodgeable" is really adapting. Also, top level touhou players beat bullet hell games that are harder than touhou, like mushihimesama, dodonpachi, etc.

[@silverrath]

​@@GreyMaria Bait used to be believable

[@i_guess108]

lol, this reminds me of how there was a celeste copypasta about how it was impossible to complete all the chapters deathless, and then someone decided to do 202 deathless (full game completion, basically. run was a little over 5 hours long iirc). it took them two years of consistently running (with multiple runs per session, many lasting hours long), but it happened eventually. of course, celeste _is_ basically 100% pure skill, and there aren't really any factors of luck involved like there are here. but hey, with enough dedication, just maybe, right? (if you don't know what celeste is, it's a pretty cool 2d platforming game with a pixel artstyle. it's known for being a difficult but fair platformer and for being very speedrun-able. the story and music are also pretty cool, and i'd definitely recommend it to people looking for a neat platformer, or just any ol' casual player, as long as they keep in mind that they're playing a platformer and not an rpg or a metroidvania!)

[@Leah-Heala]

I think the main issue is that celeste is pure skill as you said. So, BECAUSE it's 100% skill based, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, with enough practice and planning. It will eventually be beatable. But also, a MAJORITY of Undertale's main issues with RNG are basically at the end of an extremely long run. I'd be significantly more ideal if like it was Toriel that was causing the problems, or something... But.... It's not exclusively just Asriel, Asriel is like the final boss of RNG yes, but you STILL technically are needing to play back-to-back extremely difficult randomized potentially impossible to evade bosses at the very end of a run. No amount of practice or preparation can stop bad RNG on any one of these areas that can make an evasion literally impossible. Not to mention the extreme length of the run can mentally tax people into getting hit by doable things, it's just not realistically sustainable.

[@LifeDrain1001]

BRO can people learn the difference between a full no hit pacifist run and an asriel no hit? Eenox did Nohit asriel, not a FULL no hit pacifist run in one go.

[@ErebusGaming72787]

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS

[@thazmania120]

Honestly, I'd be ashamed towards anyone that's able to do that run, better to go do a run on getting a life

[@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508]

​@@thazmania120 -the greatest achievements in history of the community that has millions of members -probably one of the greatest achievements in history of gaming as a whole "Probably should do a run of getting a life" Seems like someone has so little skill he cant do anything exept bring other people down

[@thazmania120]

@@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508 Please tell me what you would win apart from recognition, is there a prize? Do you get to be part of the creator's game? Don't even get me started on the fact that gaming is overall trial and error

[@thejgamingyt]

so this means undertale was the first undertale fan game to uhhhhhh.... ummmmm be unfair

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

well i wouldnt consider undertale to be undertale's *fan* game

[@thejgamingyt]

@@TheSoulCalledZuzia just trying make the funny

[@pineball43]

@@TheSoulCalledZuziaidk i think toby was probably a fan of undertale

[@Zekiraeth]

@@pineball43 big if true

[@seriyserek]

technically undertale is a deltarune fan game

[@legendgames128]

Eenox managed to do a no-hit Asriel in full. So it is theoretically possible. That being said, he was also mentally TAXED. So trying to accomplish a full true pacifist run beforehand would be absolutely INSANE. No hit all the way to Omega Flowey, no hit on Omega Flowey, no hit True Lab, no hit Asriel. WTF.

[@melovespoon]

I was waiting for someone to say this

[@The_og_moonwalker]

For some reason the first time I did pacifist I never actually fought omega flowey

[@legendgames128]

@@The_og_moonwalker Hmm... that shouldn't be possible. Maybe someone played before you did?

[@The_og_moonwalker]

@@legendgames128 no one did, I just fought ashore once, died, and I think I got a call from undyne. I just played through true pacifist yesterday tho and it worked correctly.

[@marseillejoh]

​@@The_og_moonwalkerbro you might have discovered a new speedrun trick for undertale

[@dogf421]

i think its hard to really overstate how bad those phase 4 attacks are.

[@whereismyrootbeer]

eenox has done the full asriel nohit, including the comet rain attack. That is, it wasn't at the end of the run, but surely it'll be done within this decade

[@justaralseifan]

i have 6 thousand hours (console and switch) on this game, its time for me to make an attempt, i'll probably fail miserably, but i managed to no hit touhou 6 up until flandre anyway, on lunatic so bullet hell is my go to game genre.

[@RealSilGaming]

I wish you good luck. You're definitely going to need it.

[@williewillus]

flandre is an extra boss, lunatic isn't a thing there. And besides, lunatic is harder than extra in all mainline touhou games.

[@polishscribe674]

Ok so I gotta ask: do people know Sea Tea increases your speed? Bc it's a very random item, it's not in it's descryption and tbh... When was the last time you made it to Gerson without already having a supply of healing items?

[@RealSilGaming]

I do use Sea Tea when fighting Asriel because it makes Hyper Goner easier

[@polishscribe674]

@@RealSilGaming glad to know I didn't accidently revolutionize the niche I'm not very intrested.

[@itsentdev]

nooooooo i'm sure that the people with thousands and thousands of hours in this 6-hour game who know every inch of the source code and engine don't know what sea tea is

[@polishscribe674]

@@itsentdev I was just checking to be sure, sheesh.

[@Blanktester685]

@@itsentdev I'm sure you are fun at parties and have lots of friends and family that love you, definitely haven't gotten molested at age 12...

[@UltimateSpinDash]

Asriel: Don't you have anything better to do?

[@Czesnek]

Usually when someone makes a video about a challenge that is almost impossible to complete somebody will actually beat it soon after.

[@roofogato]

I know nothing about Undertale and yet you managed to keep my attention throughout the video. Cool

[@Hansom2309]

Is that roofogato?

[@roofogato]

@@Hansom2309 NO WAY

[@Hansom2309]

@@roofogato LMAO

[@TrulyAtrocious]

0:26 ITEM ASYLUM MENTIONED

[@Kittneyy]

CHAOS SABERS + LILYNETTE + MASTER SPARK 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@bunnygamereal]

​@@Kittneyy SHUT it.

[@Bolufo099]

Umm, actually, the Chaos Saber item in said game, is inspired by Chaos Saber, from the game "Undertale", developed by toby fox and released in 2015 ☝️🤓

[@thanosdevito]

this comment exposed me to a lethal dose of radiation

[@Shroom_Official]

Fr 😭​@@thanosdevito

[@aidyy10]

Just gotta wait until a cosmic ray flips a bit to skip Asriel

[@CasuallyShadow]

Guys, guys, the solution is simple, you just gotta get Dream to do the Asriel fight!

[@RealSilGaming]

I don't think we can rely on a Minecraft speedrun cheater to get this done.

[@LorenzoTemussi]

​@@RealSilGaming he's the right guy to call when you need to nail a 1 in 10¹⁸ chance of something happening.

[@airam1721]

​@@LorenzoTemussi yo, how did you place the 18 up there?!

[@crossoverworlds2678]

Part of me wonders if there's some kind of way to use RNG manipulation to no-hit phase 4. You can probably count frames using the background thanks to the color changes and it being moving, and if you need to do it during phase 4 you can probably use his wings as well. Someone would have to experiment to see if that's possible, but if it can be done in Pokemon (activating things at a specific frame to get a specific pokemon like a shiny zigzagoon with max IVs and perfect nature and ability), it might be possible with Asriel. I'm not a programmer though but if no one's tried it extensively beforehand, why not attempt it here? Although I understand if RNG manipulation would invalidate a true no-hit pacifist run.

[@RealSilGaming]

Many attempts were made, but there were no successful efforts. If there is any RNG manipulation at all, it would likely have to be down to the millisecond which would be impossible to meet by human standards.

[@crossoverworlds2678]

@@RealSilGaming Ah. Well it was worth the shot to ask anyway, there's a ton you can do with RNG manip. Who knows, maybe someone will find a way to manipulate it. Cant underestimate human determination in trying to do a seemingly 'pointless' task.

[@MuggyNuggy]

The cyan soul in the background makes me want a cyan popsicle

[@avena7506]

I agree that it probably won't happen. But in the smb1 community, I also believed 4:54 would never happen. Don't be optimistic to the point of naivety but also never give up all hope.

[@m.zangdar6987]

I remember very well how a guy said that the 64 heat run of Hades was near impossible and to have the necessary load out not to beat the run, but have A CHANCE OF BEING AVAILABLE OF BEATING THE RUN, was 1 in 2 million or something. A week later someone achieved the run after years of tryint.

[@avena7506]

@@m.zangdar6987 They figured out Bow doesn't work and got dat god sheild rng

[@RealSilGaming]

You cannot compare an old NES platformer to a bullet hell RPG. On NES, the RNG can be manipulated as it is tied to the time it takes to clear the game. Here, we have no RNG manipulation techniques, at least, none that have been found that we can use to our advantage.

[@avena7506]

@RealSilGaming I didn't make it clear enough. I made an abstract comparison about the idea of the impossible becoming reasonable with time and knowledge, I had zero concern with legitimate applicability when it came to the comment. I'm sorry if my comment left a bad taste in your mouth.

[@stonethemason12]

It's possible someone has done it and just didn't record it. A moment of silence for that hypothetical person...

[@SworldWorldYT]

There has only been one instance (that we know of) of a true asriel nohit, but it took a VERY long time, which proves that P4 is possible, but if it does happen, its gonna be years until we even see progress.

[@seven7264]

As a GD player, this feels like Silent Circles if it had a random trigger controlling the win or not.

[@AnimationDude_]

This is what they've been trying to tell us all along, we can do it as long as we stay determined oh, right. Asriel is above your determination and is damn near impossible

[@awesome118-smmo]

Video title in a few months: “I was WRONG! No Hit Pacifist Just Happened!”

[@RealSilGaming]

I'll remember that.

[@m.zangdar6987]

The last time someone said a run of a game was impossible, a guy did it a week afterward. I hope it happens again for Undertale.

[@RealSilGaming]

It may happen in the future but I doubt it's going to get any closer within a week without some kind of nonstop streamer

[@m.zangdar6987]

@@RealSilGaming Yeah the chances of a run like that being done in the span of next week is close to zero. But it's not new for speedrunners to achieve the impossible. I believe in the undomitable human spirit.

[@RealSilGaming]

@@m.zangdar6987 I don't think speedrunners are interested in going for what is basically a lottery. Although one has a no-hit Genocide run under their belt, they haven't shown any interest in Neutral hitless, which as I've said in the video, is required for Pacifist. Neutral hitless runners would be the best contenders, but I'm sure pretty sure that every other one will tell you they are not interested.

[@awezome-z3539]

The run hass been already not hitted the video es 4 years old by eenox

[@tabsmag]

@@RealSilGaming i mean thats basically what minecraft speedrunning is and the AA category is the most comparable, but a lot of people still go for those so I think it's definitely possible for someone to be interested and determined enough to just throw hours at this game in the next few years

[@crcker3841]

how do people watch the entirety of this well-made video and then still insist that a no-hit run will happen eventually

[@awezome-z3539]

It already happened way long before this video check the guy named "eenox" the video is 4 years old named true not hit asriel (first ever)

[@i_guess108]

okay, the reply above me clearly hasn't finished watching the video, so ignore them. they aren't an accurate representation of the rest of us "it'll-happen-eventually"-ers! the main reason as to why we say this is because of how it's happened time and time again in video game history. celeste is a platformer notorious for giving players an ungodly high death count. a few years ago, people were still insisting that getting all the golden berries in celeste (golden berries are given when you complete an entire level deathless, and if you die, you get sent to the very start of the level, and a death is added to your death count) in one save was impossible, and then someone did an entire 100% completion run of the game in one sitting (run length was a little over 5 hours) without dying. i don't really know much about the hades 64 heat run, but other people in the comments know about it. it was also proclaimed as impossible, but someone ended up completing it. can't forget about the beloved infinite monkey theorem!! the infinite monkey theorem states that if you let a monkey hit the keys of a typewriter at random an infinite amount of times, eventually the monkey will type out the entire works of shakespeare. of course, we don't have infinite time, but since undertale's a _pretty popular_ game, and the chances to not get hit are a lot better than a monkey randomly pressing keys to type shakespeare, there's a very good and plausible chance that it'll happen eventually! improbable isn't impossible, and this isn't improbable enough for it to become impossible. (the speedrun length is really not the biggest concern here, plenty of other game's hitless runs have been done with longer run lengths! some people just might be insane enough to go for it.) there is a chance, slim as it may be (though also just big enough for it to be within the realm of possibility), it exists!

[@weatherman1504]

Because improbable =/= impossible. This has been proven time and time again. You remember when Trimming the Herbs was thought impossible due to the creator cheating? Well, it got beaten anyway What I do know for certain, is that when (not if, WHEN) this gets beaten, the person who does it will be a god among gamers and will be apparently objectively better than the entire TouHou fandom (they've already made the point that they think it impossible).

[@abyssreborn4213]

Because they're stupid. It won't.

[@Krondies]

it's gonna be done at some point, there's lot's of people out there and while true that the game is now "old", some crackhead will come and farm that lucky run out (no disregard to everyone who made progress towards it

[@BFDIandTADCandMORE]

i thought it'd be obvious that asriel does that impossible-to-avoid thing

[@1ProAssassin]

Max heat in hades was done. It's why I believe anything is possible.

[@NoName-oz3gj]

Exact same thing I was thinking. If they can do that, they can do this

[@KingDuck-j9u]

Santa: So what do you want for Christmas? Me: I want a dragon. Santa: Be realistic. Me: I want to no hit run undertale true pacifist. Santa: So what colour do you want your dragon?

[@RealSilGaming]

Pretty much

[@uncroppedsoop]

just on account of Undertale's massive presence online I do expect it to _eventually_ happen, but I'll be damned if I live to see it lol anyways, one question, why would a neutral nohit be required for a true pacifist nohit? I seem to remember being able to stop and go back before the end of neutral in order to immediately follow the pacifist route

[@Crumbaa]

can’t skip any bosses

[@Lucy-uu7bb]

I think it's cause the True Pacifist route is extremely similar to Neutral up until a certain point so doing a no hit True Pacifist would essentially be doing a no hit Neutral but with true lab and Asriel instead of flowey Plus if you're doing true reset then you have to do the neutral route to unlock the true pacifist which would be part of the run

[@advicedogsyt2185]

I once beat the first three phases of Asriel on my first try by accident. I have never been able to do it again since.

[@orangeaurora]

my opinion is, with how popular undertale is, and the allure of asriel being the one base game boss nobodys done hitless in a full game run, considering that it isnt strictly impossible AND given enough time, no hit pacifist absolutely will happen. will it be within a year? almost for sure no. 5 years? maybe. 10 years? that might even be likely. but since its not impossible, and since high level undertale players (weird thing to say tbh but if someone went out of their way to no hit last breath phase 3 i think its fair) are gonna keep going at it, i see it more as a monkey typewriter situation.

[@rxndomfxndom7405]

This. This is how I see it

[@ArthurValcaldi]

Given infinity time, chances don't matter. If it's a chance of one in a million, it will eventually happen. One in a billion, trillion. Enough time does everything

[@PrintThem]

I'd like some guy to make a no hit pacifist stream where he can use saves, but only the yellow ones. So in asriel fight, if they dies, they restart the fight..

[@ghowost_toast_js]

this has real "soulless 4 will never be fc'd" vibes lol

[@novaket1264]

Imagine the nerves

[@Mewtic2]

5 years later theres gonna be a video essay: how one undertale player did the IMPOSSIBLE

[@thereinforcementshavearrive]

Summoning salt video, cue the music

[@gavinyeet5821]

NGL this weird toxic positivity a lot of people seem to have is really frustrating, especially in the case of speed/challenge runs. Yes, a run like this is possible, but saying it's achievable is like saying "work hard and someday you WILL accomplish all your dreams!" Working hard makes it more likely, but there's no guarantee and in reality it is much closer to impossible than it is to possible.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

I assumed the wall for no hit true pacifist would be So Cold.

[@FireyDeath4]

Didn't someone beat Asriel up to the unavoidable beam without getting hit

[@omegahaxors9-11]

It was that Tash guy.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Yeah it's been done but it wasn't in a full run & it took about 4 years to happen.

[@lartts7483]

​@@omegahaxors9-11 Who? Channel name?

[@Cpt.Stickerno0dle-iu3ok]

Stupid Asriel with his stupid attack. Also, there is something so cursed seeing the Asriel fight with sound effects but no music

[@ALEPH-O-02-63]

Considering there's already a no-hit of asriel, it's mainly a matter of no time, basically.

[@fatorias2635]

lmao

[@Leah-Heala]

I mean you can theoretically say that about anything even with RNG. Problem is finding a person to put in the sheer effort required to do back-to-back end game areas that can have some very difficult RNG that can make runs flat out impossible. Combined with the long length of the run, they also have to stave off mental exhaustion. It's not that they can't do it, it's that it's very much unlikely because to spend almost an entire workday doing run after run to get to the end to lose to RNG over and over would be... Very difficult. Especially when you consider that only a handful of people have EVER been able to no hit some of these bosses all on their own without having to go through the entire game for every single attempt.

[@R_botic]

it took me too damn long to realize that there was a blue heart

[@ssomenerdd]

The biggest problem out of the amalgamates, for me at least is Endogemy. The way the attack where the dog charges at you moves is pretty damn hard to predict.

[@RealSilGaming]

You can use the Stick to beat it easily

[@ssomenerdd]

@@RealSilGaming...... I completly forgot about it while writing this (probably because I always refuse to skip bosses in these games, since in my eyes if I skip a challange I cannot Say I "beaten" a challange)

[@RoyalMac3097]

We getting merg with this one🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AkaObbies]

we need that one guy who was able to no hit asriel

[@Irish-AmericanMapping1]

Ythundyth?

[@catalyst539]

@@Irish-AmericanMapping1 pretty sure they meant eenox

[@NeveragainNeveragain]

My prediction: We’re gonna get no hit true pacifist before GTA-6.

[@RealSilGaming]

No chance

[@NeveragainNeveragain]

yeah, but again… it’s gta6 bro, it’s never happening.

[@ErebusGaming72787]

You have it the other way around, considering the release date is 2025...

[@NeveragainNeveragain]

@@ErebusGaming72787 yeah… but it’s gta 6…

[@ErebusGaming72787]

@@NeveragainNeveragainI think you should read Shayy's comment.

[@uraynuke]

this is good - Asriel's attacks SHOULD be unavoidable at that part of the game, he has 6 human souls and the world is fading away

[@AguyonYouTube-jh3pd]

Then 20 years later somebody will discover a absolutely ridiculous bug that completely skips Asriel.

[@RealSilGaming]

Sadly it is impossible to skip Asriel, if we try to then we softlock at the barrier.

[@stallionsLP]

After I saw a similar video about how no one would ever beat that one Hades challenge and then literally not even that long after it happened anyways, I am unsure if this video is going to either be seen as aging badly quickly, or if this video was done to bait someone to inevitably do it anyways and actually pull it off out of the age-old motivational power known as spite.

[@etherraichu]

There's probably one person somewhere out there who has pulled it off, but has no idea there's a whole community desperately trying to do it too.

[@Koiishi_Komeiji]

Haven't watched yet, but here's my guesses: 1) Omega flowey is very long battle to nohit, made to be more bullet-hell like 2) LEMON BREEAD 3) Asriel Dreemurr: God of rng

[@RealSilGaming]

You're correct Well, not with Lemon Bread, it's more Reaper Bird that is the issue

[@jacobf.1691]

Someone did no hit Asriel, but imagine having to reset EACH TIME YOU GET HIT. Probably impossible i got hit by whimsum lol

[@Theking0fgg]

Hey, when a video like this was made for an impossible hades run it happened, so I can imagine we can expect no hit true pacifist to happen in about a week

[@RealSilGaming]

No chance

[@Theking0fgg]

@@RealSilGaming I have no hope it will happen, but it would be absolutely hilarious if it did

[@Aquabzs]

@@Theking0fgg "But it's impossible!" "What ya mean? Rick pulled it off like yesterday" That would be comedy gold if that happened.

[@Sandstheskeleton]

The odds of true pacifist no hit is probably similar to the chances of triple gaster door

[@RealSilGaming]

The chances are low, but they're definitely not in the billions, or even the millions.

[@bobgoodstudent]

How do people think the flowy fight is hard? I did it first try! The souls appear right before you die. It is basically the only boss I haven’t died at least once from.

[@RealSilGaming]

We're talking about No Hit

[@bobgoodstudent]

@@RealSilGaming true, I was just saying that because you said that the flowey fight was very hard, just generally. but no hit is impossible for me

[@RealSilGaming]

@@bobgoodstudent It's not hard to pass, but no-hit is a different thing altogether

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

@@bobgoodstudent hard to not get hit.

[@bobgoodstudent]

@@taramaforhaikido7272 I understand but it’s easy just to beat

[@SashasTheSpeedrunnr]

This aged well. At least the fact that you can beat Asriel no hit.

[@RealSilGaming]

Asriel no-hit can be done with enough luck. It's just doing that on top of a laborious 2-hour run.

[@pmcpicto]

Nice video but why are you playing as Sans

[@mr_red3]

Because she’s trying to no-hit asriel, so if they do it successfully they won’t need anymore health then 1

[@pmcpicto]

@@mr_red3 still pretty funny though

[@glasspicaro]

I guess I'm going to have to step in..

[@i_eat_sand._.yayaya]

asriel’s last attack is unavoidable

[@wooomy1849]

But it doesn't hit, it's not a full hit

[@ViolettaFG]

It's possible, with TAS

[@AnimationDude_]

The big beam? That counts as a cutscene

[@i_eat_sand._.yayaya]

@@ViolettaFG how

[@i_eat_sand._.yayaya]

@@wooomy1849 it does damage though

[@friskman3400]

"Hey, great news! We finally got the first no-hit of the comet atta-" "Just let me win" attack:

[@ErebusGaming72787]

It's unavoidable so it doesn't count.

[@marquiseh5128]

So long as undertale doesn't become a forgotten game it will happen eventually

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

yeah i hope so

[@shady8045]

I just realized it was Asriel talking in the thumbnail… kinda slow on the uptake

[@valdew]

If a tas can no hit asriel then eventually it will happen

[@TheOffspringy]

not how it works but ok

[@AttmozGlaishur]

TAS is slowed down and each input is put frame by frame..

[@orngjce223]

A TAS can rewind and retry every single attack as many times as they want, until it becomes an attack that someone can no hit. .

[@valdew]

@@AttmozGlaishur yes, but if a tas can no hit then it will eventually happen, not saying it will take a small time but a long time

[@valdew]

@@orngjce223 yes, but if it’s ring then if someone tries for long enough it will happen

[@ErebusGaming72787]

People who keep commenting "Eenox no hit Asriel" very clearly didn't have a long enough attention span for Shayy's comment smh. Like yeah, he no hit Asriel, *So you do NHTP then. I'll wait.*

[@BlackgamerX1997]

We Speedrunners like the item called "Punch Card". It's probably really unfair to use it but Glitched No Hit is a beginning

[@RealSilGaming]

Of course you can do Glitched but that doesn't mean the run is any easier to get than it currently is, lol

[@BlackgamerX1997]

@@RealSilGaming do you mean cuz it's hard to do the glitches or because you have to beat asriel still?

[@RealSilGaming]

@@BlackgamerX1997 You still have to beat Asriel

[@ComatoseState]

2:15 nah bro, I murked him first try😂😂 We ain’t gonna talk about me playing deltarune first

[@shadowpleaser8312]

You guys are just bad at the game, i no hit this game all the time

[@CobaltWasTaken]

Somewhere in the world, there is a person who has done this, but never recorded it, I am betting you that

[@ilikeeatingmacncheese]

its actually impossible if we count asriels last attack, where he shoots a beam that covers the whole box, besides, if we ARE going through flowey, no one can muster up almost 2 hours of sitting there, hoping you dont get hit, also, true lab is hard enough, maybe theres a *VERY* slim chance that it happens, and if it ever happens, it will likely only be done by one human

[@AbysmalHollow]

Am I the only one thinking of Asriel's "SO JUST LET ME WIN" attack?

[@ErebusGaming72787]

It's unavoidable so it doesn't count.

[@JuiceAce69]

I completely agree that likely a human would never do it. I mean even with the idea of like infinite monkeys on type writers there’s so many variables in Undertale that I can see why it’s impossible. BUT. I will say this. I absolutely want to see a TAS of hitless true pacifist. TAS may not count for any form of speedrun but it would be amazing to see what theoretically those would look like

[@RealSilGaming]

TAS already exists for No Hit True Pacifist. This video was about just the matter of a human doing that.

[@Irish-AmericanMapping1]

Ythundyth did a no-hit asriel

[@RealSilGaming]

He did it in segments so technically he did but we're talking unsegmented full game runs

[@annaguy8750]

Sil gaming:says omega Flowey is hard Me who beat it in 3 tries: I disagree

[@facuzamorano7839]

Fr

[@danielsurvivor1372]

"Will never happen" Weakest Touhou gamer be like: "Is THIS a challenge?" Seriously I'm surprised some Touhou player didn't flex on us Undertale fans and just ez pz no hit run true pacifist

[@oolooo]

Seeing Undertale content in 2024 is so soothing to my soul , it fills me with joy .

[@RealSilGaming]

Undertale as a game will never truly die, the scene lives on in the form of fangames and web comics.

[@rouxls_kaard1]

Asriel without hopes and dreams feels so weird

[@Yoshikiller109]

is there a link to the spreadsheets shown throughout the video?

[@yoshimanrpg]

Yeah, I don't like when people say that something will NEVER happen. So many things have been proven possible, both in and out of speed-running. I call absolute bullshit. Rules are meant to be broken, and limits are just another kind of rule.

[@weatherman1504]

Yeah, this video is going to age like coke-milk left out in the summer sun for several weeks.

[@Bengt2509]

“PROBABLY”

[@v_oid6471]

even though eenox no hit asriel’s full fight, that took FOREVER, no shot it would happen after an entire neutral run AND true lab.

[@SilvercattoOsom]

Merg: Allow me to introduce myself

[@catalyst539]

even he wouldn’t be able to do this one