Why No Love for Classical Tenor Sax??

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Sirvalorsax

Sirvalorsax

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@johnbell5284
@johnbell5284 9 ай бұрын
Nice piece
@kentreuber8026
@kentreuber8026 Жыл бұрын
I just picked up a CD called “Chant du Saxophone Tenor”. It has some nice transcriptions as well as original music.
@PedroMoraisSax
@PedroMoraisSax 3 жыл бұрын
I played the fantasia on tenor in music school 🔝🔝🔝
@grimmseti
@grimmseti 3 жыл бұрын
Check out The Swan being played live by Yasuto Tanaka. It's BEAUTIFUL.
@micahslobcrud5958
@micahslobcrud5958 3 жыл бұрын
To my ears, James Houlik had a tenor sound that was fuller than many of his contemporaries. In fact, a New York Times critic gave him a back-handed compliment years ago when he said "Mr. Houlik made an evening of saxophone music enjoyable." (funny stuff) I also appreciated Sirvalor's comments about the "younger" generation ignoring saxes and (I assume) acoustic music in general. Lotsa young adults sit in their bedrooms playing with the current crop of "beat boxes" (e.g. Teenage Engineering's OP-1). I offered to share my original music with one of my younger coworkers who liked EDM (electronic dance music). He said right off that he probably wouldn't like my stuff because it used "real" instruments! (Aagh!)
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
WOW, that's crazy but not unexpected. I feel like the younger generation just wants a quick cash grab so if they see that their is real work, time, and effort that has to be put into it, they just move on to the next novelty item.
@alexthomson6593
@alexthomson6593 3 жыл бұрын
Dude true. Branford Marsalis has been a great ambassador for both classical and jazz and I really admire him for that.
@juniortavarez3472
@juniortavarez3472 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the work you do and sharing.,God bless you.
@NK12038
@NK12038 Жыл бұрын
I had a Tenor Sax solo I had to play to get into college, when I looked the song up to get a feel for what I was playing it turned out that the solo was transposed to Tenor Sax, the original piece was intended for a clarinet choir.
@justinsublett5880
@justinsublett5880 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always maintained that the tenor is the most versatile of the saxes. The classical alto has a gorgeous sound, for sure. But the tenor has an equally gorgeous sound, a great deal of flexibility, and a resonance that the alto lacks. When played with a classical approach and appropriate embouchure and equipment, it’s phenomenally versatile, and I don’t understand why composers don’t write for it.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
I Agree!!
@karlinggard
@karlinggard 3 жыл бұрын
There's a very beautiful Swedish psalm with the melody played by a tenor sax. It's called "Gammal fäbodsalm från Dalarna". Here in Norway (and I guess most of Scandinavia), the tenor sax is very closely associated with this classical piece.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
I will look into it. Thanks for the suggestion
@manracmolactrac
@manracmolactrac 3 жыл бұрын
We are in the same spot historically as tuba family players, our instruments haven't been around for the writing of the majority of classical repertoire. The answer is always to play everything written for any instrument and keep what sounds good! Love your videos man, keep up the good work.
@PlayerClarinet
@PlayerClarinet 3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to hear you quote your sources regarding the campaign against Adolphe Sax. Not saying it wasn't there, would just like to know more about it.
@GetYourSaxTogether
@GetYourSaxTogether 3 жыл бұрын
Yeh, I’ve always thought that the sound produced on tenor sax by the master musicians, old and new, that we all know and love makes most classical tenor players sound thin and boxy. There’s too much snobbery in the classical sphere to embrace a new sound concept, but at the same time, the danger is that performers with “the sound” don’t have an appreciation of the aesthetic of classical music which instantly triggers the skeptics. I nominate YOU as the new ambassador for classical tenor but with a great sound!
@michaelroach4219
@michaelroach4219 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!Has any orchestra ever tried using a saxophone section?How about a saxophone orchestra?
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
There are some very nice sax choir recordings on youtube. Adophe Sax had a hit put out on him because his innovatios and inventions posed a serious threat to the other instrument makers. He very well could have replaced entire orchestras with his innovations and inventions. He even renamed some existing instruments. When you hear how good the sax choir is, it makes sense that he could have replaced all but percussion.
@michaelroach4219
@michaelroach4219 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sirvalorsax Thank you Sir valor sax.I will look into that.
@camthesaxman3387
@camthesaxman3387 Жыл бұрын
I like hearing a tenor playing classical music more than an alto. There's nothing like that dark, cello-like tone in the lower register of the tenor that an alto can't reach.
@TedMaciag
@TedMaciag 3 жыл бұрын
Up here in Michigan we have a lot classical sax players, yes mainly alto; however, U of M and MSU have some serious resources. Also check out Meridian Winds as a resource.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
Will do. Thanks for the tip
@onesyphorus
@onesyphorus 3 жыл бұрын
your thumbnails are getting better and better! LOL
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@WDWplanToons
@WDWplanToons 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Jack Stamp’s “Jigsaw for Tenor Sax and Band” written for classical Tenor Sax. Written for James Houlik.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
Will do. Thanks
@saxynijudas
@saxynijudas 3 жыл бұрын
Im newbie player and almost a month of deciding because its hard to choose alto or tenor sax . But i choose tenor because im in love of how the sound came from it. Then i start to play it and i find out that those of my fav music is written in alto specialy the classical songs so hard to find sheet music that written in tenor
@oboeash
@oboeash 3 жыл бұрын
I loved hearing your story and perspective! Hearing Russell Peterson play Georgia on my Mind back when I was in high school convinced me that I didn't have to choose between double reeds and sax, or to have to pigeonhole myself into certain styles. I'm glad he had a similar impact on you. I look forward to hearing more of what you put together and thanks for keeping the content up!
@hansbrackhaus8017
@hansbrackhaus8017 Жыл бұрын
I have no music college education, or any ties to anyone, so I'm going to play anything I want, and I happen to really like the sound of classical tenor and will do my best to get proficient in it (too) (I wanna do all sorts of stuff)
@jacksax2006
@jacksax2006 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the awesome work. I’m excited to see where this exploration of expanding classical tenor saxophone repertoire and technique takes you.
@PedroMoraisSax
@PedroMoraisSax 3 жыл бұрын
Brandford Marsalis and James Houlik are for me the top of the tops in the classical
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to hear Branford do some classical tenor stuff
@PedroMoraisSax
@PedroMoraisSax 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sirvalorsax hummm Only soprano and alto classical. You're right, no classical tenor on brandford
@PedroMoraisSax
@PedroMoraisSax 3 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏
@gotobassmsn
@gotobassmsn 3 жыл бұрын
You will be happy to know that I found a classical song written for the TENOR Sax. And it's on KZbin under, " Concerto for Tenor Saxophone and Band" by funconductor. I hope you enjoy this find fellow Ohio, and lover of music for the sax.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
James Houlik is Amazing!
@zebrobson2639
@zebrobson2639 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you dude, I can get Rascher for alto but nada for tenor really. My daughter's been transcribing some english horn and oboe stuff for me, and it's.... well it's technically classical music, lol
@jackiecordero1352
@jackiecordero1352 3 жыл бұрын
This dude reminds me of Badlandschugs
@garyreid6165
@garyreid6165 3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised when I heard a recording featuring Sigurd Rascher. He was awesome. I have read somewhere(The Saxophone Journal, I think), that the reason there are no tenor saxophone classical music is because composers and conductors like the range of the alto saxophone. Every time I listen to Shostakovich’s Jazz Waltz #2, I wonder if a tenor saxophone was in that piece as well as two or three altos. Andre Rieu’s orchestra has a saxophone section. I saw a video on KZbin from the London Symphony Orchestra. They were performing Waltz Of The Knights from Prokofiev’s Romeo & Juliet. There was a tenor saxophone player in the clip. So far, movies and television are one of the other places to find any music for tenor saxophone.
@JDWorkshop-wn9tt
@JDWorkshop-wn9tt 3 жыл бұрын
My first book on altissimo range I bought in the mid ‘80s was by Sigurd Rascher. I haven’t heard that name in a while!
@jonathanpark621
@jonathanpark621 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Gary I completely agree with you, I often wonder if composers like to treat the Alto Sax to a similar fashion to a violin and the Tenor Sax like a Viola, so more like a 'work horse' than a solo instrument. Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet features a short Tenor Sax Solo one of the only ones in the classical rep, and it is a B#$(! to play. If I remember correctly it's a F sharp minor pattern starting on a low C sharp at an MP dynamic so not very saxophone friendly at all.
@garyreid6165
@garyreid6165 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanpark621 As I had read before, a tenor saxophone can play trumpet parts, cello parts, trombone parts and perhaps oboe parts(I may be wrong). The only exception is orchestral jazz or specialized film scores ( from composers like Danny Elfman, Michael Giacchino, Tom Scott, John Williams, though, I believe he favors the alto saxophone and Elmer Bernstein and many others, respectively).
@DanielGoff527
@DanielGoff527 3 жыл бұрын
Beyond the challenges of range, I think the tenor itself has some inherent challenges due to the acoustic nature of the instrument. For some reason it's just a little harder to control and to achieve the depth, resonance, sensitivity and response than the alto for classical work. It definitely requires a different approach as far as our voicing/tongue position goes and the resistance the horn creates. But that said, there are a few players that have managed to tame the beast and sound absolutely beautiful on tenor. James Houlik is one of my favorite concert saxophonists of all time and he plays tenor almost exclusively, and has actually commissioned a lot of new works for the instrument. Tim McAllister, Arno Bornkamp, and Steven Banks all dabble in some tenor as well and have wonderful mastery of the instrument.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
James is definitely top on my list as far as a classical tenor sax tone. I had a chance to see him when I was in high school, before I really knew who he was but I couldn't make it.
@DanielGoff527
@DanielGoff527 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sirvalorsax I took private lessons from him while I was in college and attended his summer saxophone treat in North Carolina, he's an incredible teacher. And while he sounds great on recordings nothing matches hearing that massive sound live. Josh Bryant is also one of his former students and he's able to emulate the Houlik sound more closely than anyone else I've heard. Pretty sure he has some recordings on youtube.
@badboikyoto3585
@badboikyoto3585 3 жыл бұрын
Finally! Great topic!
@davidjung1824
@davidjung1824 3 жыл бұрын
Could I talk you into tinkering around with the Mozart oboe concerto? It would probably work better on soprano but I think a tenor version would be cool too.
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
I'll look into it
@SkylersRants
@SkylersRants 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice. I always enjoy how thoughtful (in the meaning that you really think things through) you are and the material you present. Thank you. And you're funny too. I have tried to play jazz, but I am much more a 'legit' player and I'm an old dog that isn't going to learn jazz without a lot of effort and time. I just play from time to time and try to keep some skill sets in place, and your presentations always help motivate me.
@jacquesdeghorain3162
@jacquesdeghorain3162 3 жыл бұрын
Aucune raison légitime ne pouvait t'obliger à aimer le jazz . Si tu l'avais fait , tu n'aurais été qu'un mauvais musicien . La musique , avant tout est et continuera d' être une AFFAIRE DE COEUR !!! Et c'est parfait ainsi .....Tu n'as aucune erreur à te reprocher.......
@Sully365
@Sully365 3 жыл бұрын
In college, my professor was lije.. "who wants to play classical".... I did. It hurt to be dismissed like that
@tomwest1246
@tomwest1246 3 жыл бұрын
In the U.S. early 20th century the saxophone was used more often in clown and novelty acts like the Brown Brothers and many others. It was used to make all sorts of barnyard noises, squeeks, grunts, whatever, but rarely played in a more serious manner. I think, unfortunately, there is still a bit of that “clown with the sax” thing hanging over it.
@gotobassmsn
@gotobassmsn 3 жыл бұрын
Sounded more like an accordion to me.
@maddisonhsiao3877
@maddisonhsiao3877 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who doubles saxophone clarinet double reeds and flute, I agree on your points. I'll also bring up a point the youtuber bandestration said that tenor sax blends well with many orchestral instruments particularly high bassoon parts, high cello parts, and helps fill the rather weak tenor voice of the woodwind section of the orchestra
@w2tty
@w2tty 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I’m looking forward to hearing where this takes you. The Spock’s Brain episode tribute sounds very good and I would not have imagined it possible with saxophones.
@alexandervanrose8724
@alexandervanrose8724 3 жыл бұрын
The orchestration of your Star Trek version is gorgeous.
@gangofgreenhorns2672
@gangofgreenhorns2672 3 жыл бұрын
Just got the book, I'm stoked. Excited to see if it helps me get past double G/Ab. Appreciate the work you put into it. Also I got a "new" chamber (drop baffle) Berg Larsen alto mouthpiece coming in the mail soon so this is good timing; been waiting on it for a month bc they don't normally make that baffle with that chamber number (It's 85/0 SMS stainless steel).
@frankzona9867
@frankzona9867 3 жыл бұрын
Good topic.Classical Tenor does seem to be a rarity. I'm no different, if I want to play Classical music, I pick up my Alto. I enjoy your videos and your playing. I'll check out the Altissimo book.
@davidbraybrook
@davidbraybrook 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Please do Glazunov on tenor! What blows my mind with that piece is that because Glazunov composed it towards the end of his life, he was still writing in a Russian romantic style at the time most other well known composers for sax were composing in more modern styles (Debussy, Bozza etc). You can hear him channeling Rimsky-Korsakov through the piece which is amazing!
@firstname8873
@firstname8873 3 жыл бұрын
I was playing Haydn’s trumpet concerto on tenor the other day cos it happened to be on the music stand. Loads of fun and it actually sounded fairly good I found I could put plenty of dynamics and expression into it despite using the wrong horn.
@davidjung1824
@davidjung1824 3 жыл бұрын
I think mixing up tenor with alto for a different timbre/mood would work well too. An example of what I mean would be say use alto for the 1st and 3rd movements of the Mozart clarinet concerto and tenor for the second. Now that I think of it I'll probably try it too
@davidjung1824
@davidjung1824 3 жыл бұрын
Handel's 6th violin sonata sounds neat on tenor too.
@davidjung1824
@davidjung1824 3 жыл бұрын
I like your approach. To often we see music for 4 altos, 1 or 2 tenors, a soprano, and Maybe a bari. This is even more rampant in the clarinet world. My high school band would have like 20 Bb clarinets (I kid you not) 1 or 2 bass clarinets and 1 contrabass (sometimes). Balancing the band from the bottom up is day one when you get to college
@joamon559
@joamon559 3 жыл бұрын
There's a good reason to balance an ensemble, for example, 1,4,2,1 (sop, alto, tenor, bari). That is because of the way harmony works best. Close harmonies in the bass sound a bit rubbish. It's much better to spread the notes out down there. One bari can provide plenty of bottom end to support the upper end, so you don't need more than one for volume and you don't need more than one for harmony. Add a couple of tenors and you have plenty of manpower for the bottom covered even if you should choose to do some close harmony down there. Close harmonies in the upper range are more common for a good reason--it sounds better. Like all things in music, this is a general observation and not a 'rule'. That is not to say that there could not be more solo works for tenor or bari in the 'classical' genre. There are plenty of bassoon and cello solo works, for example. I put classical in quotes because strictly speaking that term refers to a specific, relatively short, period in music in western music (1750-1820) but is often used more broadly to encompass anything played by an orchestra or written before about 1900. Stravinsky (1882-1971) his music would be referred to many as 'classical music' but he is way too late to be classical. It would not be unusual to hear someone refer to a string quartet playing baroque (early 1600s to 1740s) as playing 'classical' music, which, of course, is not strictly correct either, that music is way too early. There are far more concerto pieces for higher instruments because of the way they can float above the rest of orchestra. If you have an instrument which plays in the middle or lower part of the range there is always the danger that the orchestra is playing in the same zone as the soloist which brings with it a serious danger of muddying the waters and the soloist getting lost in the orchestra. It's much better if a soloist is the predominant instrument in a particular part of the musical spectrum. I could go on but I suspect no one has read this far.
@EinSofVirtuoso
@EinSofVirtuoso 3 жыл бұрын
Talk about a struggle! Back in high school it was tough finding a piece I really wanted to learn to play and it seemed the alto peeps had all the cool ones. My accompanist wasn’t the best either but I was able to make due with stuff like Adagio and Allegro by Handel and Rach’s Vocalise. Great pieces for tone development for sure. I have recently returned to the sax after years of hiatus so looking to rebuild and push further. Heck, even Piazzolla’s tango etudes might sound better on tenor too!
@davidjung1824
@davidjung1824 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that there's finally a one stop shop so to speak for learning altissimo. Any idea when the mouthpiece book is going to print?
@Sirvalorsax
@Sirvalorsax 3 жыл бұрын
It's in the works. I don't have a projected release date yet though
@bobpremecz5429
@bobpremecz5429 3 жыл бұрын
Back in October of 2016 Branford sent me his version of Fantasia by Villa-Lobos that he played with the Allentown Symphony. Someone took a picture of us that I use on my lock screen. He had the whole orchestration transposed so he could be in one sharp, meaning he effortlessly played that bugger altissimo G on soprano. Not a problem on alto or tenor, but I still struggle to consistently get altissimo G on the soprano. So, yes, I think your goal of performing the Fantasia on tenor would be a feat, whatever key you decide.
@apistosig4173
@apistosig4173 3 жыл бұрын
Adriene - Domenico Scarlatti / Isaac Albéniz
@espr7564
@espr7564 3 жыл бұрын
There's also nothing classical for Baritone right? So tenor is not alone 🙂
@abedinsubashi
@abedinsubashi 3 жыл бұрын
Yea alto gets most of the repertoire but there’s a lot of classical bari players, you never see classical tenor players 😂
@chuck4972
@chuck4972 3 жыл бұрын
Alto is dominant of course, but this is a lot for baritone. In fact, some even argue that baritone is best for the orchestra, because the sax was supposed to be a low instrument at first
@gangofgreenhorns2672
@gangofgreenhorns2672 3 жыл бұрын
I follow a small channel "Benjamin Chalat" and he posts a fair amount of classical sax stuff he writes or covers consisting of alto + bari and a vocalist. Calls it Moon Trio. Worth checking out if you want some classical bari.
@christianhenry4173
@christianhenry4173 3 жыл бұрын
@@chuck4972 bari is a monster I just feel tenor gets nerfed by composers because its unique in its own way not to mention it was one of Adolph last inventions of the saxophone family.
@chuck4972
@chuck4972 3 жыл бұрын
@@christianhenry4173 baritone is not a monster at all. It's just that some people in jazz like to exploit it in that way.
@sauloferreira3182
@sauloferreira3182 3 жыл бұрын
Boa noite mestre!
@greggwalker5571
@greggwalker5571 3 жыл бұрын
This is an "old" problem that most Collegiate level Saxophone studios have been struggling with for years... James Houlik was the best voice for Classical Tenor Sax for years until he passed away. I competed in Classical Concerto Competitions on Alto in the 70's...and played Jazz and Rock at nights.....I went to North Texas and was the first Woodwind Performance major....I also played Lead Alto in the infamous Lab Bands and led several improv combos under Rich Matteson....Besides using every available piece for Classical Tenor..I use the Bach Cello Suites..which sound awesome on Baritone Sax BTW...But I use a midi keyboard that transposes the piano part so the Tenor Sax student can read Alto Sax Solos....like Creston Sonata, Glazunov and ibert....I prefer to change the piano part because the Technical issues that were addressed in each of these pieces were intentional and helpful no matter which Saxophone you play. I have not published any of this...because of copyright problems...When the pianist plays the keyboard they read it as is from their piano part and let the keyboard transpose it for them. Hope this helps someone. Gregg Walker
@jazfyrski
@jazfyrski 3 жыл бұрын
James Houlik is still very much alive. He continues to teach and concertize.
@davidbraybrook
@davidbraybrook 3 жыл бұрын
I feel a similar conflict, conducting over 10 years & trying to gain acceptance of the concept of a woodwind & percussion chamber orchestra, including all saxes. No music, virtually no precedents to follow. I know there is a big future though, as there will certainly be with classical tenor.
@androidboy7
@androidboy7 3 жыл бұрын
Personally, the snobbery of classical music is what turns me off to it. And yet, as one music teacher told us, "Everyone likes classical music. They just don't realize it." Specifically, he was referring to your favorite movie scores. Think every tune in Star Wars. So this video I loved. But don't know exactly how I feel as a sax player (alto, soprano, & tenor) and classical.
@jacobbernat6456
@jacobbernat6456 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video!! Really interesting points, especially about sound concept. Even among classical saxophonists, it seems like the tenor is generally the ugly duckling that no one wants to play! There's so much shameful dogma about what the saxophone "should" play or sound like (as if any saxophonist has to "choose"), but you appreciate the instrument for what it is and all that it can be. You're the man✊
@hyrumbaird3950
@hyrumbaird3950 3 жыл бұрын
Tenor is best
@YoungWilliamO
@YoungWilliamO 3 жыл бұрын
I think the question is (trying not to sound too pretentious here): “what is classical music” in the context of saxophone generally? Is it purely written music? Is it absent of improvisation or certain underlying rhythms or certain chords? Is is backed by a symphony? If we are saying we need more Creston or Glazunov type stuff for the tenor, sure, it would be cool to have more of that, especially quality stuff. It just takes someone to think it up and write it and to get a group to agree to perform it. Easier said than done obviously, and even if you have it out there, who is going to pay to hear it, let alone sit down and listen to it for free? I have spent a lot of time with “Crescent” by Coltrane lately and I have wondered if he was, at least in some part, bridging a gap between the “jazz” and “classical” worlds with tunes like Wise One and Crescent as there seems to be Debussy-like chords and sounds. On the other hand, there is some modern classical alto stuff out there that might as well be classified as hardcore avant-garde music (it amazes me that people listen to some of it). If anyone is going to get to the bottom of it, it will be you SVS.
@PlayerClarinet
@PlayerClarinet 3 жыл бұрын
If you're comfortable with playing transcriptions, I think the Bach cello sonatas have the potential to be brilliant on tenor saxophone. It might take a lifetime of study to do them justice, but hey - that's what the cellists do.
@jim6929
@jim6929 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the analogies would be to the role of the “tenor” in opera (ie Pavarotti, etc) and the cello in orchestral music - definitely a place for the tenor in “classical” music. Maybe a separate answer - what is classical music anyway / have we really understood the so called transition from “classical” to “romantic” music?
@Cysubtor_8vb
@Cysubtor_8vb 3 жыл бұрын
Although, it would be nice to have more sax in original orchestral arrangements, isn't tenor (and alto) sax still pretty popular in concert bands and have commissioned pieces in the classical genre? Granted, I primarily play low brass, so, while I do have a normal role in orchestral music, I'm also used to playing various other instruments' repertoire. That's actually how I've been learning sax and clarinet as I've been using concert pitch fingerings and playing various iconic pieces I already have for euphonium/trombone and tuba.
@jacquesdeghorain3162
@jacquesdeghorain3162 3 жыл бұрын
Je crois que tu n'as aucune raison de te faire du soucis . Les saxophones sont là et bien là !!! Et ils resteront quoique certains musicologues puissent en penser . Peut-être est-ce un hasard , mais les musiciens classiques que j'ai eu le plaisir de rencontrer dans ma longue vie , m'ont souvent déçu par leur côté sectaire et non véritablement ouvert à la musique SOUS TOUS SES ASPECTS , mais seulement dans sa forme dite "classique" , s'attribuant de ce fait une forme de SUPERIORITE à laquelle il me semble peu réaliste de prétendre . Alors , élever le saxophone au niveau technique des autres instruments compatibles avec la formation de l'orchestre "classique" traditionnel" , d'accord avec ton approche , bien sûr . Toute raison est bonne pour progresser , tu en es un parfait exemple ! Mais , tout en étant aussi réaliste , je m'attends à ce que les adorateurs de la musique classique en fassent de même : qu'ils prennent la peine de s'ouvrir aux grandes richesses qu'apportent aussi les saxophones et qu'ils acceptent de les enrichir plus encore pour le mieux et de les utiliser dans le meilleur des mondes . J'attends , ..............mais comme soeur Anne , je ne vois pas grand-chose venir !!!
@HB-ve4wi
@HB-ve4wi 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I find it ludicrous that classical saxophonists are basically trying to emulate a double-reed sound and then divide the instrument into "Jazz" and "Classical" timbres. As if, say, a 'Brecker' sound wouldn't sound incredible in a classical piece if the required articulation etc is used. For me: I just don't like the "classical" sound. I'd rather listen to a cor anglais.
@zvonimirtosic6171
@zvonimirtosic6171 3 жыл бұрын
You are correct, but that is the problem that is prevalent in the western (symphonic) orchestras. Not so in the Central European orchestras (former Austro-Hungary), that had nothing against the saxophone instruments, nor their particular sounds. The difference is significant, as is the difference between the French and German clarinet approach. Many who think 'classical saxophone' think of prevalent French school that is totally castrating the sound of the instrument. The Central European approach is ways different. But, unfortunately, it is not publicised, remains unknown, and many transcribed pieces from there are not readily available elsewhere.
@HB-ve4wi
@HB-ve4wi 3 жыл бұрын
@@zvonimirtosic6171 This is very interesting Zvonimir. (By the way, having been born in Austria, I learned on a German system clarinet when I was a kid.) I keep listening for a "non-castrated" classical saxophone sound. Thank you.
@benoittissier58
@benoittissier58 3 жыл бұрын
"Cityscape" could be considered as a classical piece around Michael Brecker's sound, couldn't it ?
@HB-ve4wi
@HB-ve4wi 3 жыл бұрын
@@benoittissier58 Yes, I think it could be thought of in this way ...
@AllisterFrankle
@AllisterFrankle 3 жыл бұрын
The struggle is so real. After playing mostly tenor for most of my time, I was told if I wanted to go anywhere that I had to play more alto. I love playing alto as well, but tenor has a magic timbre that deserves way more time in the spotlight. The Villa Lobos is excellent! You should look into the original untransposed piece, Mule had it moved down a step because he didn't play altissimo.
@Sully365
@Sully365 3 жыл бұрын
Preach for the nosebleed seats
@jacquesdeghorain3162
@jacquesdeghorain3162 3 жыл бұрын
Le saxo alto , à mon avis , est mal placé . Coincé entre le soprano et le ténor , il me fait parfois l'effet de n'être qu'un instrument de passage , de liaison entre les deux grands et donc , qu'il manque de réelle personnalité ... Ai-je raison ? J'en doute un peu après avoir entendu jouer les solistes d'Alto de très grande envergure que nous connaissons tous , bien entendu . Mais QUELQUES exceptions peuvent-elles devenir la règle ???
@tallikimanimusic7127
@tallikimanimusic7127 3 жыл бұрын
Can you use the book for alto saxophone? Or is it just tenor
@gangofgreenhorns2672
@gangofgreenhorns2672 3 жыл бұрын
Reading through it now, it will definitely help with learning altissimo on any sax.
@marcogue_
@marcogue_ 3 жыл бұрын
Saxologic recently did a video on this🤣
@juggerdad831
@juggerdad831 3 жыл бұрын
Who’s the pianist?
@shipsahoy1793
@shipsahoy1793 3 жыл бұрын
It’s more cumbersome than alto on fast passages and honestly imho, Tenor doesn’t have a voicing that fits in well with classical music arrangements.. maybe it could in modern compositions.. I think it’s the ultimate jazz solo instrument, or in harmony with other woodwinds and brass, and that’s where it seems to stay aside from some other popular styles since the 50’s where are you can overblow the crap out of it or make harmonious noises with other horn men.🥳🤣my $0.02.👨🏻
@GGflute
@GGflute 3 жыл бұрын
Hallo dear! I love your lesson! But for the furst time i m not agree with you. I play every Day on My TSax. Play Bach, Handl sonates and discover haw good sounds Debussy on T. S. Clar de lune! Bach is in the substruction on the Be bop stile. Only must excange the beat akcents on the seconds times! Selibrations from Bulgaria! I will never have had full knowlige on My Horn, but learn every Day! Thanks! ,
@kodiererg
@kodiererg 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe just play a clarinet part rather than transposing the alto
@heaneymusic
@heaneymusic 3 жыл бұрын
Had no idea you are a BG alumnus, too cool! We have a jazz prof now, Dave Bixler. Crossover happens pretty frequently between the two studios, and there’s an understanding that there’s value in learning both approaches!
@wkrnalrib4445
@wkrnalrib4445 3 жыл бұрын
honestly classical musicians are weird at one point even string players werent supposed to play with vibrato.
@thejoemonica
@thejoemonica 3 жыл бұрын
Tenor rocks too hard. Classical sucks. People’s white wigs be gettin blown off too much cuh
@christianhenry4173
@christianhenry4173 3 жыл бұрын
Lol 😆 yeah I can see that now.
@thejoemonica
@thejoemonica 3 жыл бұрын
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