Why NO ONE Plays: Dehya | Genshin Impact

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One of the most anticipated five star units to be released ever since the advent of Sumeru was Dehya, and her debut has sparked an extreme amount of controversy, particularly around her abhorrently poor performance ingame. For today's episode of Why NO ONE Plays, we'll be diving into exactly what's wrong with Dehya's kit.
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[@joshhallam6342]

It should have been why no plays La Signora

[@hlarjay7503]

Does Opera GX have adblockers/support for them? Very enticing features but I dont wanna give up my UBlock Origin

[@gigachad731]

No.

[@NoNameCherry]

I've used GX since it came up. I love it.

[@mateuszgrobelny20]

@@joshhallam6342 it should have been why no one plays cyno

[@weregretohio7728]

One thing Dehya is good at - getting the fastest No One Plays ever.

[@rsg_magfire]

Most passive movespeed buff, play her with rosaria for night time speed and 2 anemo characters, I prefer heizou (if no kazuha) for sprint stamina reduc and sayu for healing(maybe) also her e

[@horrible3003]

@@rsg_magfire just use sayu and yelan

[@blazingdragonwolf6771]

@@horrible3003 *sayu and Wanderer

[@stephennegron7560]

😂😂

[@fahimfaisal7571]

@@rsg_magfire Wanderer and Yelan power creeps every "movement" passive anyone has.

[@raderelcaroman1403]

You should have called it why everyone plays Dehya as an april's fools release

[@destro733]

that actually would've been a way better video

[@plutonash2545]

This is Gold

[@tonberry_]

this could get way more views lol

[@baronvonwhinsectown2454]

Ah, beat me to it...

[@scifro]

Missed opportunity…

[@Wissle]

It's so sad how this absolutely beautiful character, both in looks and personality, ended up broken like this

[@f.b.lagent1113]

Amber: first time?

[@Wissle]

@@f.b.lagent1113 I'm sure Amber's first time was amazing. At least I hope so, anyone who gets to be so lucky better have given her a good time

[@AlimonyTaxForEveryone]

It’s as though the listeners in the desert designed her kit based on the misinformation she gave them

[@taberu003]

@@Wissle as a day 1 player Amber sucked from the get go... She didn't scale well unlike Kaeya and Lisa who were both starter characters. But to have a 5 star character with amazing aesthetic design and personality to be this shitty w/ her kit... It's really disappointing coming from Hoyo

[@Wissle]

@@taberu003 That is not what I meant ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@Opti-Miser]

Deyha feels like she's missing her ascension passives. It feels like she has all the right pieces, but they forgot to glue them all together (which is what ascension passives usually do!)

[@darylewalker6862]

Her first ascension should have been in her base kit. And without conditions; level-2 super armor always, and actual mitigation for Dehya always. The better A1 would add team healing per Q punch.

[@krumi_hazuki1440]

​@@darylewalker6862or, the burst buff base on damage mitigated from skill

[@princepecanpiemc518]

It's more like she's missing levels on herself and the weapon.

[@ScaryYokai]

It's just that Mihoyo doesn't care, she is supposed to be a standard character after all, you gotta make people feel bad when they lose their 50 50.

[@22neptun]

Instead, her ascension passives are both needed to make her damage migration/mitigation reach the level that Xingqiu's E just naturally has...

[@finv10]

She brought a whole new meaning to jump cancel

[@abcxyz8318]

Truege

[@diarrene]

😂

[@camilovonhresvelg3262]

This comment I can't 😂💀

[@mlkywine6852]

💀

[@inferno1738]

That hit way harder than it has any right too

[@penguwu4311]

What's also terrible about this situation is how much mihoyo is censoring the main subreddit. Just mentioning the forbidden D word will get your post taken down in just a few minutes. Edit: they are censoring the main sub so much that they accidentally deleted Dehya's birthday art 💀

[@basty_gaming5750]

miHoYo be damned

[@matthewsarson6934]

Which is exactly why i've been telling people not to expect buffs/fixes to her kit. They know she is bad and i kinda suspect that was the whole point to begin with.

[@mithuns7960]

Hoyoverse learning about glorious censorship from the Chinese government

[@TheTruestZero]

I do believe in censorship, but also believe a bunch of jackasses kept spamming to buff Dehya that the moderation was forced to ban the word and anyone who brings the subject.

[@JackieBlade1]

@@matthewsarson6934 they craeated special page in support for. So maybe they atleast pretend that they don't care. But i wrote them anyway

[@abloodynova7625]

The (sadly) hilarious thing is how Mihoyo seems to cover all the exits to make her even remotely decent, like seriously, you can't even make a cursed physical build because her NA multipliers are lower than god damn Dori for no apparent reason.

[@hasakioxomaka4884]

If dehya didn't have a good character and bad design ill be ready to receive qiqi instead of her

[@goldencyclone4984]

As someone who actively follows the CBT leaks, it's also worth noting that Dehya was... Okay at the start of the 3.5 beta. Then she was nerfed into the dirt a couple weeks in, and that's the state we got her in the patch. That's why a lot of people were up in arms. Not to mention they ALSO nerfed the upcoming artifact set for her during the 3.6 beta. It seems like they're *actively* going out of their way to murder her and I just do not comprehend why.

[@brycearmstrong9370]

Eh, she wasn't 'that' much better. She was still barely a stain on Diluc's boot, and inferior to any defensive support at the same time. The second round of changes that gave her baseline HP scaling was almost worse than the initial nerf because it devalued higher levels of ATK while not adding useful amounts of HP scaling.

[@thebrigade7684]

She was never ok I have no idea what kind of TC you did because V0 dehya is = V4 Dehya when they nerfed her attack scallings and added small HP scalling.

[@douglanmar]

Tbh they nerfed every single character (at some extent) in the beta since 3.x started. The philosophy seems clear: they see Bennet, Xingqiu, Fischl, etc a MISTAKE, which they will never make again

[@Ivy-jq6di]

@@douglanmar I'm surprised you didn't include Xiangling in that initial list bc both her and Childe get buffed with almost every new polearm/bow

[@douglanmar]

@@Ivy-jq6di Honestly, I just put her in the “etc” for the sake of being concise 😂

[@dustinabigan2776]

Really my only reaction to how bad Dehya's kit is compared to other characters is just...why? Yes I know how there will always be weak units but there's no reason why Dehya should be like this. It's just disappointing. I'm not a "meta slave" but seeing KQM say themselves she "does not provide enough significant use cases to recommend using over many other characters" for her is just telling that even theorycrafters struggle to think of what to do.

[@basty_gaming5750]

Like, Why...?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[@zaraki942]

Probably cuz Hoyo is racist they barely release a darker skinned chara and if they do it sucks. Candace butchered, Dehya butchered, Xinyan even being from Liyue couldn’t save her lmao. I don’t find it to be a coincidence every darker skinned chara is bad except for maybe Kaeya who’s an og 4* so I wouldn’t count him cuz most og 4* are good. I bet whenever they release the next darker skinned chara (if they even will) it’ll also be doo doo. Watch Natlan get whitewashed and it’s underwhelming charas are darker skinned, another ‘coincidence’

[@odeyalkolover]

@@zaraki942 wrong. Cyno is a great dps unit and he is dark skinned

[@Relevart9169]

@@odeyalkolover kaeya is good too for a free 4* but then they just say "i won't count that tho cuz it goes against my point" lmao

[@dustinabigan2776]

@@zaraki942 I've seen this claim going around and to not repeat what others have said, some of the dark skineed characters cited have use cases. If it really is a case of racial prejudice, we shouldn't be seeing similarly lackluster white or fair-skinned characters yet for most of the game's life the one character considered objectively bad the most is Amber...a fair or white-skinned character. Just as Candance, Dehya, and Xinyan are supposedly bad, Amber, Lisa, a majority of the Traveler variants, etc. are also not as good as players would like. It's all the same that there are good and bad characters, it's just that in Dehya's case it's just really bad. I think it's easy to jump on this train of racial prejudice without realizing Sumeru is the just the first region where darker-skinned characters are the norm if accuracy to real life is to be observed. So it's natural to have less dark-skinned characters and NPCs early game and whether or not racial prejudice exists remains to be seen once more characters get released.

[@supersonicgamerguru]

I think it's clear what the intention was with Dehya: to dilute the standard 5* characters because Tighnari is actually a pretty ok character and Keqing was buffed too much by dendro. They still need for there to be a high chance of getting a useless 5* I guess.

[@matthewsarson6934]

I am pretty sure this theory is correct. It perfectly explains why she can be so damn bad without the devs noticing during her beta testing and why Hoyo don't seem interested in either buffing or fixing her kit. She is supposed to be bad.

[@AzureDrag0n1]

This is the only thing that makes sense to me. In the leaks during development she used to be stronger but was actually nerfed even more despite many complaining how weak she was. Her poor damage would have been fine if her defensive ability was better. The super armor buff you get is too short and the CD on the ability is too long. You can in fact use her defensively as a kind of Zhongli substitute so long as Bennett is paired with her but then the burst is useless and should never be used. At least Zhongli can be used to do damage with his burst in a geo team and the petrify ability can be useful too. So yeah she was made for the specific purpose of making you lose 50/50 painful.

[@danieldante320]

​@@matthewsarson6934 dev definitely see her,they even nerf her so she can have that low hp scaling

[@resof]

When a new 5 star gets added to the standard, there would be news or leaks. Like tighnari's. But there was none on dehya. It's like the other way instead, they made her so bad, that they had to put her in standard.

[@HasanPrasetyo1422]

@@resof One dude actually leaked that. He also leaked the Ayaka + Shenhe rerun. No one believed of course, because Standard already has a 5* pyro claymore, and a Windblume patch with Mika on the banner but no Eula is simply absurd. But then here we are. Now the dude who leaked those is a living deity in the leak subreddit.

[@stratos2851]

I think an even bigger issue now is that she made people question HoYo's ability to create characters. Before her (at least I personally) never questioned if a character that was about to be released might be bad or even near unplayable (like Dehya in this case). Sure, everyone knows that some characters are worse or better than others but now that we have a character that was this hyped and turned out to be this bad... it really lowers my expectations for the future. Now everytime I see a cool new character being announced I will always have this thought in the back of my head saying "what if he/she is also just a trash tier char that had no thought or care put into it?"

[@kx2174]

I'm convinced they made her bad to dilute the standard pool since Keqing and Tighnari are decent DPS characters right now.

[@keziasaint6005]

@@kx2174 not to mention jean is pretty good support and diluc simps r still thirsting for the man (and his skin with buffs too)

[@jacktheripper7935]

I have the same feeling now too, bro.

[@mahks-pectith3179]

Exactly, they may think people will just brush off dehya being horrible and move on (and some will sadly), but the truth is they have lost a ton of respect and trust from the community. I'd recommend everyone stop spending money on the game, because not only is that the only way our protests will reach them, but it's also just a good personal decision because what if you spend a bunch of money to get a character only for them to turn out like dehya? It's not worth the money anymore

[@gamerpl4995]

If I like them, I don't care, gonna pull and play anyways. If I don't like them I'm not gonna pull, simple.

[@wah9312]

Honestly yeah, I think Dehya's kit was intentionally made to be as bad as it is. I have no idea why, but there is NO WAY it was on accident. Hoyoverse have had three years to develop Genshin and design characters, they should already know what makes a character good and bad. It's really sad since my friend is trying to main her, but she keeps getting kicked out of co-op lobbies all the time and keeps having to ask me to carry her through domains and bosses. Really hope Hoyoverse gives her the Zhongli treatment and outright buffs her, but I already know that's not happening lol. Poor Dehya.

[@randomdude1241]

Dang I feel bad for your friend. I personally wouldn't kick a person just because they main a character I don't like and also find useless.

[@kitnal4143]

I don't like thinking it, but at this point it feels almost like they made her, realised she was dark skinned and realised she couldn't possibly have a good kit. There is, what, 3 characters to use as sample size though soooo

[@batatapalha1241]

​​​@@kitnal4143 Cyno have the same color and is mid at least. She also is female with could mean more sales with good kit, but even her going to standard fells like a last minute decision. My personal opinion: Hoyo just dropped they brain. They do those big shits without any reason once in a while

[@sosok2140]

Cyno is good, he is just easy replaceable by keqing

[@kitnal4143]

@Batata Palha it is hard for a multimillion dollar company to "drop their brain" when all decisions go through a board of people. There was a specific reason behind everything in the game, including Deyha. Also Cyno isn't the same colour as her what? He is pastey af. Like, I know they made her paler over time but...

[@Admerelech]

Was not expecting a "Why NO ONE Plays" video of Dehya THIS quickly, didn't even leave her patch before this was released

[@wisercupid6740]

It is warranted tho 😭she’s so bad

[@TealZero]

You weren't expecting it?? She's worse than Amber lol, her one good use is in Dragonspine (her passive makes her unkillable to Sheer Cold)

[@matthewsarson6934]

I kinda get why too. With other characters there was a legit argument to made that you should not write them off until people have had enough time to try teams. We have seen this with Kazuha/Kokomi and plenty of others. But with Dehya its just too obvious that she is broken and even that new artifacts set for her seems little better than a band aid.

[@lum_berry111]

@@TealZero they were probably expecting it, but not this soon. i dont think any other character has gotten a why no one plays video in the same patch they were released

[@azuarc]

She's just that bad.

[@whydopeople7651]

You know if Dehaya was released today it would have been funny . But sadly her kit is not a joke 😢

[@leathermage]

Wrong, her kit IS a joke. And probably Cyno's joke aswell...

[@lucaswalkthroughs123]

💀

[@HoaNguyen-bu6zf]

@@leathermage don't do cyno dirty like that man it would perplex my boy to try to explain that joke. Noone can

[@lua8501]

“is this an out of season april fools joke?”

[@themidnightotaku22]

She might still be MiHoyo’s April Fool’s joke to someone else though…

[@IgorJCorrea]

Dehya's kit is a MASTERCLASS of game design, I commend mihoyo for teaching a whole new generation of future game devs all you shouldn't do when designing a playable character, allowing them to experience it by themselves when playing dehya

[@kingdedede7335]

That and Bayo in Sm4sh

[@yaybunnies]

@@kingdedede7335 bayo's kit in smash is fun to use tho just not fun to fight against

[@code.velocity]

I wasn't expecting the last half ngl

[@alexia3552]

lmfao i mean not a bad point

[@Spifyninja]

What's even worse is that from what I've heard on reddit, the play testers told Mihoyo she was bad, and then they nerfed her. They did one of my favorite characters SO dirty, and as a result, I didn't pull for her.

[@CC-kp7ge]

It was weirder than that. The first week has no changes and then then second week was a nerf

[@maxroy6933]

If they do my fav character dirty ( which they havent ) I would just quit the game since what's the point of loggin in everytime and seeing your fav in such a bad state all the time😢

[@josefara640]

Dehya is truly one of the genshin charachters of all time. she is the second best pyro claymore female unit so far!

[@isokey9035]

I don't play genshin, how many female Pyro claymore users are there?

[@barrywest-allen3261]

​@@isokey9035 2

[@isokey9035]

​@@barrywest-allen3261 wow she really exists as a character in the game

[@josefara640]

@@isokey9035 two ^w^

[@AceTrainerLupi]

The other is Xinyan. And Xinyan is a D-tier character already, so you can imagine how bad Dehya is.

[@Catspirit123]

I’ve never been hesitant to pull for a character I like because they’ve always been usable to some extent. Dehya’s release is going to make me think twice on every 5 star released from now on though. I simply don’t understand why they decided to make her this way. It’s such a bummer because her design and character are fantastic! I feel like we were bound to get a crappy 5 star eventually but I really wish it hadn’t been Dehya. She’s so cool she didn’t deserve this…

[@nikhilhumane5540]

i actually am fine getting any standard 5 star. They are very strong units. Tighnari and jean are exceptionally good. Keqing is going god mode with dendro. Qiqi always carries for healing in coop when fighting bosses. Mona, well she is a hydro unit. Hydro units are carrying this whole game. Diluc he is simple and powerful. But dehya. Yeah she is weak af. Made me afraid to pull for anything.

[@scylla1772]

If it helps, leaks subreddit watched her numbers get nerfed during beta for like... a month. Even some of her glitches were known of, and never patched, weeks before her release As long as you stay informed and don't listen to doomposting, you'll have an okay idea of how usable a character idea is on release-- of course, it's still a good idea to wait a week anyway

[@silverjuly9339]

I heard about a deleted reddit that said why the dev team didn't want to work on Dehya properly. Apparently, the female staff don't like her unconservative design, but I dont know how that translates to not working her kit properly.

[@backpackpepelon3867]

@@silverjuly9339 she's also the most hated sumeru character in CN, so yeah, they pretty much did her dirty on purpose.

[@kyero8724]

You're just having a Personal Skill issue.

[@CountMonsparkle]

When Dehya was first shown off in 3.0, I was really excited to pull for her eventually. In my opinion she is the best designed character of Sumeru, both in terms of looks and personality and story presence. Even after it was leaked how bad she was going to be, I still wanted to pull for her. But then Mihoyo went one step further and announced that they will throw her onto the standard banner. They did it, they managed to make a character that would've been an almost-guaranteed must-pull so bad and useless, that I decided to skip.

[@AzureDrag0n1]

I had wanted to pull her ever since I saw her too. Even had 300 intertwined fates saved up. Guess I will just hold on to them.

[@hasakioxomaka4884]

Despite me knowing and seeing video flooding my main page i still pulled for her hoping one day she will be helped like kuki and thoma + i use her with kuki hyperbloom as coping support

[@cart6940]

Bruh same, I loved her design upon the first sumeru leaks, then when she first hit beta I was like she looks so cool and prefarmed for her and her weapon. Then over the course of beta realizing she’s near useless AND going to be standard, I had to skip

[@DancerVeiled]

Tall lioness-themed pyro claymore user who's a brawler and no-nonsense? I feel like she was tailor made to appeal to me, and then this is the result. I'm not even salty that I don't have her, I'm salty that I'll probably never be able to feel happy about getting her in the future unless the character is entirely reworked.

[@KokoLuvuh]

Idk why she's so bad, Tighnari is a standard banner character too and he's a very solid character

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

All the standard banner characters are solid in their roles. Tighnari and Keqing do well in their quicken teams, both sort of taking a kind of quick swap role. Diluc still performs well in vaporize, overvape, mono pyro, etc. Mona is a great support for many many teams with her damage boost, taunt, and usage of tenacity or noblesse and can even still do great damage with emblem. Qiqi heals the most in the game (Kokomi still can’t take that crown) with over 10k heals with talisman active at lv 80 C0 (atk atk healing bonus Aquila) and can still do decent damage with her multipliers. Jean is also a great healer who can deal great physical or anemo damage and act as a viridescent support in many teams, remove pesky auras like cryo and hydro, burst heal the entire team at once, fling small enemies away etc. Dehya’s role is defensive utility, barely. It just feels like they took many different ideas and mashed it into one character, lowered the values and % of everything, and threw it out to the public. The devs really could have just went all in with her defensive capabilities and give her a burst that helps on that 😂 but ofc not, it just has to be a buggy, low damage dealing burst, that sure, looks cool. She’s definitely the embodiment of “let’s pull cuz she’s pretty.” Imo. In a game where many events and abyss has timed combat modes, Dehya just doesn’t make sense compared to the alternatives. I will say using Dehya in the overworld to do your dailies and explore and stuff is fine though. Maybe that’s what Mihoyo was going for? A character you can run around with relaxing (especially with the movement speed during day passive)? Idk 🤷‍♂️ though you can do that with most characters

[@soaps7033]

because hoyoverse is racist, its a chinese company

[@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies]

​@@soaps7033What about the other Sumeru characters (including ones from the desert like Cyno) who are actually viable?

[@soaps7033]

@@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies so like..? only cyno? last time i checked candace wasnt at the top of any tier list

[@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies]

@@soaps7033 that's because she's a four star and not because of her race. If you really think this is about race, then take a look at the characters from Liyue, which is based on China. Just like Candace from Sumeru desert, it has some really bad units like Xinyan. But just like Cyno, Liyue also has good characters like Hu Tao.

[@OmegaSaurus]

Other claymore users: if you do a frame perfect jump, you can destroy your enemy with a dragon strike Dehya: if you jump after her burst...

[@HasanPrasetyo1422]

The thing is her burst is so bad, canceling it may as well reduce the DPS loss lol.

[@oworandom]

The worse thing is, her NA multi are so bad lmao

[@BiBiren]

How ironic that the jump cancels her burst but not the jump kick she does at the end. (GAME) LOGIC -1000

[@HMSNeptun]

@@oworandom at least you can make it(or any other melee character) half decent with chongyun and shenhe

[@slient957]

you can switch another character out of it as well

[@NeuroticCollegeChick]

How they didn't give her kit a burgeon/burning buff is beyond me. Every other 5 star sumeru character has interacted with dendro and its reactions in some way. Nilou buffs bloom, Nahida buffs everything, Alhaitham is dendro driver, Tighnari is meant for Spread and Cyno for Aggravate. Dehya's design screams burgeon or burning, and mihoyo had a chance to make burning an exciting reaction to use. Especially with her dmg absorption, she could have mitigated the self-inflicted burn dmg the team would otherwise take and then unleash it in her burst as a revenge attack. The slow pyro application would work well with burning too, because you can keep reapplying dendro to keep the burning reaction up.

[@Ivy-jq6di]

They technically did make her a burning unit since Ganyu Melt with Dehya is more playable

[@hasakioxomaka4884]

​@@Ivy-jq6di dehya might be the one who will trigger melt

[@flamezforthegamez1056]

She might be more aligned to be a burning applicator considering her skill's hitrate is the same as Nahida's which I doubt is just coincidence, but coincidentally enough, cryo literally isn't updated with a new artifact set ever since 1.3, which sounds to me like they were waiting for 3.0 for dendro's release so that burning may be involved with a melt-oriented cryo set. Dehya could be the one running the set like how supports could run blizzard strayer and still affect the team, so in theory, Dehya gets buffed by convenience of pyro application and role compression.

[@nicelight7794]

It's frustrating to think HoYo might get away with releasing her in this state. So much of the big burst of heat they were getting over this has passed and idk if we'll ever get it to be that high again. There's a chance HoYo has listened and has buffs coming in the future but I worry that won't be the case.

[@darklilligant2636]

Dehya doesn't need buffs. She needs a complete damn rework on her whole damn kit.

[@miroheartech4231]

the heat has died down because a lot of people are so fed up with the state of the game that left. at some point mihoyo can do whatever they want, but they are not immune to consequences. at this pace we will never see the ka'nrya chapter of the game.

[@SeraphimDragon]

@@miroheartech4231 Yeah, after this (I held out for MONTHS with my primos, skipped other characters I wanted badly) I'm fucking done. She's worse than the MC. THE MC!!! She's worse than Lisa, she's worse than BARBARA. And she's a 5 star? I'm done. Hoyo's record of changing characters is virtually non-existent, Zhongli being the sole exception. I'm done with them.

[@scylla1772]

​@@SeraphimDragon hilariously, Barbara is pretty good in some Quickbloom comps like Cyno's since she can make cores. EM Lisa's burst is great on Aggravate teams. Even Qiqi now looks good beside her By the way, look up "Dehya glitches". The list is long, such as her burst canceling when you hit static objects like boxes, and her first NA can miss randomly on perfectly today surfaces

[@hectorlackless]

Considering she didn't did so bad in sales maybe mihoyo is really inmune to these thing, it feels like pokemon games

[@panna7241]

Honestly what I'd do to fix her is give her a passive similar to Vladimir's from league make her area follow the active character and just give flat damage reduction instead of whatever the hell that is and make her ult an infusion like cyno that alters her ability that grants a shield scaling with attack and have the damage from AA scale with HP

[@TheBlade-]

Essentially just remake her entire kit

[@panna7241]

@@TheBlade- exactly

[@mara3874]

Another fix would be her burst doesn't remove the field her skill makes. That way, the field would still do damage and she can catch particles it generates while on her burst. It's a decent two for one fix. Then make her burst refresh her field even by just half of the skill's time. That would also be a balanced fix.

[@braddl9442]

Simplest fix was make her C1 part of her Ascension talent unlocks.

[@panna7241]

@@braddl9442 honestly I'd just make her C1 or C4 give her EM based on a percentage of her HP to keep that type of build in there and idk give her something that if she's below 20% HP she'll regain a part of the damage she took as HP and either all or part of it converted ad bonus damage for the skill or burst

[@SageRuffin]

You forgot something Vars: the game's targeting system will actively fight against you if you activate her Burst against certain enemies (try using it against ASIMON when it goes invisible. Woof.). Edit: Also, according to recent info gathering, Dehya is very much a "create a problem, sell the solution" situation. "Oh, her signature weapon can make use of the damage transfer! And we also have this new artifact set that can make use of it too!" And according to rumors, Fontaine will put more emphasis on facetanking. But yeah, to see Dehya released like this is nothing short of frustrating and heartbreaking.

[@matthewsarson6934]

Not only will her burst not target enemies correctly. If the enemy is tall like say some of the ruin enemies. She will hit them without triggering bloom seeds for burgeon.

[@darylewalker6862]

Except future Fontaine teams will also get screwed over Dehya’s derp.

[@keku52]

did you even used your brain when you said that Fontaine will put emphasis on facetanking to indirectly buff Dehya? have you forgotten the role of healers and shielders? did you actively forget that Xingqiu's E is better than Dehya's entire dmg mitigation?

[@JackieBlade1]

unfortunately her weapon give her like plus 2k damage. And new set should give her like 200-300% (Not 90%) bonus because right now i have emblem with 190% ER so i already have +47% atack and her signature weapon. And with that her pure damge with 180% crit damge is 12k from burst. So becouse she cant react she needs very much raw atack boost. For obvious reasons, this will never be added to the game. So the only way to save her is changes by the developer.

[@MsDestroyer900]

Shes so actively terrible, absolutely nothing can save her. Not her weapon, not her constellations, not her artifact set. At that level of investment, you could actually make a QIQI clam team that can actually clear abyss before dehya can lmfao

[@Blacknight6577]

This is heartbreaking for sure. The only good thing about her is her character and who she is. If it wasn’t for that then I’m sure almost everyone wouldn’t like her at all or even try to play her. Regardless of how she plays I still use her for quests and world play as well as raise her bond too. It’s unfortunate that I don’t use her for the Abyss or fighting bosses.

[@blip-blup]

I CANNOT fathom, how a character can be made so poorly, that their *C6* should be their base kit. I just- How? The only possible scenario I have in mind is that they just genuinely hate her. But then why bother making her design and character good? Why bother making her a 5*? Why bother making her in the first place? And even if so, I don't understand. The disgusting amounts of money they could've made with giving her not even a good, but just a functioning kit... I remember how absolutely speechless i was when she got nerfed in the CBT. Like she was already bad and they just nerfed her even more. It felt like we're being made fun of. Dehya has to be a prank or something.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Basically, it's that moment where they made a gimmick without actually considering that it would be better to instead work on what already was good. That is to say, Dehya being a Fontaine character before Fontaine made zero sense, and she should have been designed around Burning or Burgeon instead

[@mkgaming5823]

@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Even with Fontaine characters making her better Those same Fontaine characters make everyone else better too Dehya needs baseline changes to ever be considered good.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@mkgaming5823 She just so conveniently happens to be the one of only two units that synergize with Neuvillette and Furina in the same team

[@kr555wizard]

I feel like dehya might be worse than pre buffed zhongli, like i'm not sure if mihoyo could make a worse character, unless it had the abililty to kill your entier party as an elemental skill.

[@MsDestroyer900]

Dehya is worse than C0 xinyan and amber. Amber can hold elegy. Xinyan arguably has better defensive utility for mono pyro teams.

[@kazukimisaki2312]

​@@MsDestroyer900 yeah agreed. Xinyan doesn't kill herself slowly by using HER SKILL. And yeah her shield is rather weak, but its a functional shield that absorbs 100% of the damage...not you know..m absorb 50% of it and the rest goes to killing you slowly ?😂

[@dan_chen]

hey at least pre buffed zhongli still got that crazy shield. the problem mainly laid on how bad his ult scaled, it scaled on his attack while the shield scales on hp, also there was no resistance shred. but who cares tbh, his thick ass shield was already much better than whatever the fuck they gave dehya

[@backpackpepelon3867]

Pre buff zhongli are miles better than dehya, not even a fair comparison tbh.

[@EinSilverRose]

Vanilla Zhongli's still had a solid shield and his burst could still deal a ton of damage. He was really only buffed because people were upset he wasn't as strong as in the closed beta and he's also an Archon. Apparently Dehya is liked well enough in China due to her design and her yuri undertones but she's not an Archon so she's likely doomed.

[@matthewsarson6934]

The one good thing about Dehya is that now by contrast Xinyan and Thoma look a lot better. I honestly think they added Dehya to make the standard banner worse on purpose. Because if you pull and get a Qiqi, you are more likely to keep going in the hope that you end up with something good.

[@jonathansibrian695]

qiqi is better than dehya lol, she can make your teams inmortal and in multiplayer its very good

[@matthewsarson6934]

@@jonathansibrian695 Yeah Dehya is what the devs come up with when people pointed out that Qiqi was too useful. Now players can feel really cursed when they lose to her.

[@jonathansibrian695]

@@matthewsarson6934 now they get a trully bad character for all the bulling they did to qiqi

[@matthewsarson6934]

@@jonathansibrian695 I can't wait to see what they come up when somone decides that Dehya is also still too useful :D

[@baka_monogatari3389]

Being a standard banner character really doesn't help her case much if at all. The last standard 5 star added was Tighnari, and he's actually really good.

[@aoitakumi9081]

The thing is before Dehya everyone in the standard banner does their job. Jean and Qiqi heals, Diluc is a decent pyro DPS (not bad but there are better options), Keqing was okay before dendro but is now buffed, Mona is mona and Tighnari is dendro so he is good enough DPS. Dehya on the other hand barely functions as a character.

[@aeroscantsee1665]

As someone above said, every standard character 5 stars does a good job at what they're supposed to do. Dehya can't.

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

I always thought that one of Dehya 's passive should have been some sort of a Berserker mode, when she receives a certain amount of damage she goes Berserk (similar to the Jadeplume) getting a DMG, crit boost and immunity to interruption boost at the cost of an extremely low healing capability every certain amount of time. Also I think Dehya should have been a perfect character for having a counter ability like Beidou with a parry bonus if done correctly

[@JustRizaru]

I want this patch to end early so bad, it's been a painful experience ever since I saw her kit and I just want to forget the pain 😭

[@randomperson093]

This patch may as well be one of the worst patches i've seen in my 2 and a half year playtime,not only is it plain boring(they somehow managed to find a way to make theatre mechanicus even worse and braindead) but also had one of the biggest disappointments i and many players had in this game in form of dehya,what a waste of great character design and personality

[@keziasaint6005]

@@randomperson093 surprisingly lucky this banner tho just got ayaka, pulled again and got my boy tighnari now im guaranteed hydro archon

[@Grim_Bud]

@@keziasaint6005 I mean you've got time especially if you save from now.

[@HoaNguyen-bu6zf]

Sameee. Like i always level up any character that comes home the first time to get that acquainted fate but when dehya came i just left her there for weeks cus i just wanted to forget about her. My god was i disappointed

[@djailsonfelipe84]

It was indeed a pretty boring and terrible patch. Honestly nothing new, no good characters. At least I got Shenhe and her weapon out of it... but that's it.

[@wolfsags]

I was really interested in getting Dehya but when I heard the rumors of her "nerfs" i just said "maybe was too broken, probably will work well with burgeon" but after the rumors increased the uncertain started to grow, the "she will go to the permanent banner" made me say "well even if it goes to the permanent she should be serviceable or functional as Diluc" but when she was released it was a complete pain to see what they did to her. Definetly MiHoYo made a permanent character that is worst than Qiqi, at least Qiqi works as a healer but Dehya is a mess, I respect everyone that got her. The worst part is if the CN server didn't complain her, they'll never fix or buff Dehya, there is a rumor (copium) that she will improve with characters from Fontain or a new artifact set, but even the later got "rebalanced".

[@cloudwalker9572]

China thinks the west has the power to make Mihoyo move like we think Mihoyo only answer to China (which they do but China player base is too untitled to realize that Mihoyo is 99% not giving a f about complaints and the other 1% they care is China) so they gave up on her and went on to hype the next unit. On top of that the new banner which is only reruns is performing really well meaning people don't care in general, money is still flowing. By the way the new artifact set has been revealed and is obviously tailored for Dehya, except it's unusable before c4 because of her awfull energy and is like a 5% increase of damage on top of being awful to farm. So yeah she's screwed.

[@edishasora5200]

@@cloudwalker9572 congrats for china they just made more enemies. i have nothing against china despite the news and rumors and experience it first handed make me understand why the whole wolrd hate china

[@darylewalker6862]

How the heck would Fontaine characters not get also screwed by her?!

[@backpackpepelon3867]

She's the most hated sumeru character in China tho, of course they won't bother at all.

[@mahks-pectith3179]

Characters shouldn't have to depend on a team built around them or artifacts to function properly. They should have coherent kits that function well on their own, even if they're primarily meant to support other characters. Dehya is the first character (in what will likely be a long list of them sadly) that has suc a nonsensical kit that not even the strongest characters and artifacts can save her.

[@freakelangelo]

I lost Nahida to Dehya, came there to salt my wounds even further 😂

[@agungalhadi6965]

Same man. Just lost my 50/50 to Dehya, and here I am watching videos on YT about her being a bad unit, lol

[@wishesandbennett2372]

same lol

[@kratek56]

Same😢

[@wisteria7052]

Sacrifice Dehya 1 Billion times everytime you pull for a character you want and leave her at level 1 with a level 1 weapon let her rot. You deserve way better I hope you get lucky on Nahida's next rerun.

[@Tuoace]

Same man what hiw

[@khangduong4059]

I REALLY love Dehya ( Like i pulled for her and her weapon and got both to lvl90 as quickly as possible), but man you were damn right, like every single word is true about her kit. Just hope that she can get a buff cuz this is just a sad joke.

[@buttermanaws4693]

I remember when there was a leak of her as a 4* and while I was disappointed at the time I felt that if they were trying to make a burngion unit that a 4* version would be a good tester, then I heard she was a 5* and I thought that she must be a good burngion unit since she was upgraded, then her kit was revealed and I thought she would be a berserker, then the theory videos came out, then she came out and my desire to summon her was already long gone, and now we are hear getting her dedicated artifact set soon and it's only a 5-10% increase at the cost of reliability due to her high burst cost (and she needs to take damage) for a standard unit she will be incredibly hard to build for anyone

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

The way Dehya could’ve been so good as a burgeon character 😂 and Mihoyo was like “NOPE” is hilarious. Im 1000000% sure they’re trying to create a burgeon 5 star later on that’ll make them a lot more money as a limited banner 😂

[@zukodude487987]

She was my most anticipated character and Mihoyo just made her a super bad standard banner char last minute 😢

[@Lacuro]

Make sure to use all your standard fate before next version. There's no Dehya in pool yet

[@LunaticTrumpet]

I did and still no Mona 😢.

[@devam8192]

I give my heartfelt apology to Dehya for calling her a 5* Xinyan... infact she's a 3* Xinyan.

[@Memecs20]

It sucks that Dehya with such a good character design (aesthetically) came out like this... It really made me wonder if Hoyo was testing out if they could pull off a character with just looks. Early on she caught my attention, good thing I held on, snoop around, played her on the trial domain and eeeeeeh~

[@rirururu4697]

Dehya does do one thing really well and that's making Thoma look good.

[@foxinthebox7456]

Mihoyo took "Bad marketing is still a marketing" to whole new level

[@j.k.6200]

New characters like Dehya are main reason why I'm always waiting for some guides/reviews before pulling.

[@delectablemimi]

Even her upcoming artifact set would not be able to save her 😢

[@brycearmstrong9370]

Especially given with here energy requirements, Emblem is just flat out better in anything but a mono pyro comp for her.

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

The artifact Actually were good but hoyoverse NERFED IT AND MADE IT WORST 💀

[@Volair]

Honestly refreshing to see you get passionate about this particular character. It's easy to trust that if you're upset about it, and breaking the normal objective approach you take, then MHY really screwed up.

[@calvinwilson3617]

Dehya is a tank who essentially requires a healer. that's just bad design when it doesnt have a payoff

[@onidan7]

And yet people think that those of us that are posting to #FixDehya are bitching because we want her to be broken like Raiden or Nahida.

[@BlightestBlight]

I want her to be broken like xinyan

[@josebutereselreal]

I mean, dehya's kit IS BROKEN.

[@annanas9122]

You ARE bitching.

[@batatapalha1241]

Her being in Tighnari level could already be a good dream (Even in Jean level)

[@thebrigade7684]

CN has moved on so whatever you are going to spam ain't gonna do much.

[@themidnightotaku22]

Poor Deyha, she got trapped in a mental state of breaking in a new sword over & over again & now she’s got an extremely inconsistent moveset. Somewhere on the development table, nobody wanted to give her a definitive move kit to work with.

[@AlExAnDeR30285]

I like the concept of Tank more dmg, deal more dmg. I think of it like this: Use Dehyas E and a visual indicator will appear (like Raidens E Tomoe Circle). The more damage is taken while the E is active the more charge you will have on the indicator. And based on the charge Dehyas Burst will deal more damage. Lets say you can absorb up to 10.000 HP with the E skill. Depending on the charge Dehyas Burst deals an procentage equivalent as bonus dmg with her burst: 0-10.000 dmg taken = 0-100% Bonus Burst dmg. With this kit the Constellations will have more potencial. Constellations could upgrade: - max. Dmg that can be absorbend for example from 10k HP up 20k HP which results in -> 0-20.000 dmg taken = 0-200% bonus Burst dmg - the dmg taken will be multiplied by (let's say) x1,5, for example: Hilichurl deals 1000 dmg to the active character but the E will add 1500 to the counter -> gain more charge

[@karonahim452]

She should've had a revenge counter like you said when tanking dmg and stacking it like Itto's or Eula's lightsword then use it with her ult for explosive dmg

[@izanagiuzumaki7325]

Does Hoyo just hate "dark" skinned female pyro claymore users? 🤔

[@shadowbonbon3]

Aren’t all female pyro claymores dark skinned it is just as right of assume that they hate female pyro claymores

[@chench1lla]

Yes, that's how we see dark in Shanghai. And we are 100% with Hoyoverse.

[@izanagiuzumaki7325]

@@chench1lla big yikes

[@batatapalha1241]

They hate claymore characters. They are pretty fuckin bad, Itto and Beidou saves and that's it

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@batatapalha1241 And I guess Noelle is up there too, and Kaveh soon enough

[@efeozdemir412]

I think adding her to the standard banner is the cherry on top (!)

[@Bugermanchi]

That’s the graveyard of hope of dehya mains of dehya getting a buff

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

Bruh no Let me tell They nerfed her upcoming artifact sets 🗿🗿🗿

[@Ethonra]

Funny you mention hoping Dehya would be a spiritual successor to Diluc. Way back when all we knew were her looks and name, I had hoped she'd be a hybrid of Diluc and Hu Tao.

[@vbarreiro]

She also has another very niche use; she can’t die to Frostbite, so she’s not half-bad in Dragonspine

[@codyholley]

There are other characters that have the same trait

[@Vishtar_Official]

@@codyholley, who? Never heard about what.

[@codyholley]

@@Vishtar_Official i kinda forget

[@kellenzaw5385]

I mean characters that heal with skill can do the same xD

[@vbarreiro]

@@kellenzaw5385 Yeah but she does it automatically. If you’re the type of person to get stressed in Dragonspine because frostbite management, she can make it go away 100%

[@AAAAnca]

if you dash jump during her burst duration, you cancel out the burst duration but she still does the dive kick. that doesn't help her much but it's really cool i think.

[@lestatstaton7856]

Even if you ignored how obviously BAD her kit is, the real proof of how little Hoyo cares about her is how many extreme bugs she has that they are ignoring. 2 Days after Mikas release Hoyo gave us apologems because Mikas charge attack was 5 stamina cheaper than it should be, a beneficial bug, and they are sorry and will fix it immediately. Dehyas Burst Cancels if you jump, Burst cancels if you run into terrain, Burst auto targeting is stupid and cant attak Azdas tail, Devalins pimple, or enemy structures, her skill will disappear if you swap characters too fast, her skill (with interruption res) can be interrupted while casting. They just obviously do not give a shit about Dehya and it honestly makes me want to quit playing. THIS is the future of the game? They already told us that there will never be endgame content and future characters are going to be Dehyas??? Why bother to keep playing.

[@CC-kp7ge]

The thing is, none of those are bugs. The reason why running into terrain and jumping ends her burst is because both actions interrupt the animation, that is intentional. Autotargeting has always been brain-dead. Her Skill disappears if you swap out too quickly because the frame it is created occurs after the point that you can swap out. Her Skill can be interrupted because skills don't inherently grant resistance to interruption.

[@sizedoesntmeaneverything4157]

@@CC-kp7gedude said her skill can be interrupted with interrupt res, meaning shield. Also her burst should not by any means cancel when you jump, so many characters with burst like ults like Diluc, Raiden, even Razor don’t cancel their ults.

[@CC-kp7ge]

@sizedoesntmeaneverything4157 dehya's burst is all one animation. Diluc, Raiden, and Razor don't have a burst that's all one animation they're effectively adjustments to their animation

[@sizedoesntmeaneverything4157]

@@CC-kp7ge You have to mash left click to punch, like a basic attack. Meaning even though she's in a completely different state, they're still technically "adjustments" to her animation. It's not all one animation because her burst is entirely reliant on you to use. Not even mentioning the fact that she can dash around while in her burst, like all characters who have similar ults.

[@CC-kp7ge]

@@sizedoesntmeaneverything4157 mashing left click doesn't cause punches, it speeds up the animations. If they were all different attacks, why doesn't she proc XQ?

[@HoaNguyen-bu6zf]

Funny how you say everyone can see she's subjectively bad but there are still people out there fighting with their life to say she's decent or even tell people to "get over it (whenever someone talks abouther disappointing kit)" . The amount of copium in this fandom

[@Mateo_8886]

Bro there are some guys in reddit that are in complete denial 💀💀💀

[@brokencreativity7266]

@@Mateo_8886 Being happy is not denial. Some people are ok with this reality and still enjoy Dehya. That's _their_ prerogative. You don't get to claim they're secretly unhappy because _you're_ unhappy.

[@Mateo_8886]

@@brokencreativity7266 Ok, I really don't understand why you made that comment. I just said that some people are in denial. Like saying that theorycrafters are lying and the videos are fake.

[@schwegburt3002]

The 2 theories I've seen as to why Dehya's so crap is 1- Mihoyo thought her kit was so terrible they opted to neuter then shover her off to the standard banner. 2- Petty company infighting with someone higher up wanting to sabotage Dehya as a f you to their creators.

[@Axterix13]

Eh, let me give you a third: She's pyro Kokomi: a defensive, off-field, elemental applicator who plays at being DPS during her burst. And I do mean play, not for real-real. She's not supposed to have good DPS, so when players complained about that, the designers just ignored it. And just like they messed up when they tried to do a pyro spin on Noelle (that being Xinyan), they screwed the pooch again, with a kit that has all sorts of issues. But not being a hydro catalyst user, well, the kit actually has to function, and it doesn't.

[@gintasasd6814]

Correct me if i am wrong but dehya is first character who come out in same version and got why no one plays episode

[@VetoShizu]

The most depressing character in Genshin of all time for me. Sadly Dehya is the second (first is Xinyan) character that I thought would be decent until I saw the flaws personally. I quit the game last year but returned when my friends sent me pictures of Dehya. I have a thing for characters with some color and Dehya hit the spots I like with her aesthetic alone. When she showed up in story I thought, wow she's a great character I can't until she's playable. I saved for months and even skipped Ayato and Alhaitham who I wanted for her. After a week of playing with her and getting C2 with her BIS without spending money I can say she's the worst character in the game for me. She's too much of a hassle to use even to take down world bosses but my C0 Yae Miko performs better with a 4 star weapon. Dehya can work with Burgeon but it's too much setup and I don't feel like doing that all the time. I honestly would've been ok with they delayed her for another patch if they were able to work on her more but they obviously don't care and want to keep it moving. Her constellations definitely seems like it was made for a 4 star character as well. Lesson learned I guess, don't give your hopes up for a character unless it's an archon or release day. I basically quit again since Dehya has ruined my excitement for anything in Genshin. I'm playing other games while I wait for Honkai Star Rail since I like turn based games and I'm already interested in the story and characters such as Himeko, Bronya and Jing Yuan. I don't regret starting Genshin but I wish the team would try more with their characters and quality of life.

[@DyJuan1]

Dehya's base ATK is on the same lv as bow users. This is someone who uses a GREAT SWORD. They have said nothing about her kit or address any of the complaints. I say SHE is a SIGN of the beginning of Myho not caring anymore.

[@wolk6129]

the crazy thing about her kit is that i can't even MIAGINE a situation where this kit was like this from the start,it looks like she was made broken and then little by little they nerfed the heck out of her kit resulting in the version of the character we have now

[@ThundahPrime]

It's like they had 2 teams of people, one team thinking she was a support who had an insane burst, and a team who thought she was a DPS that relied more on her skill and that's how we got a mid support skill and an awful dps burst

[@filiptruty6367]

I wonder if she could be better if they changed her burst to work more like Itto/Noelle where she getts more dmg from her ATK stat and max HP but the dmg is autoattack not elemental burst dmg. This way she can work with Yelan, Xingqiu and Beidou and use Gladiator 4 piece passive

[@asmephestoh]

Still playing dehya today and still no buff. i like playing her tho and abyss is still clearable with mono pyro. i don't have copium that shell be useful one day i just wanna play as a brown person with sexy clothes

[@rebchizelbeak5392]

Players: we want harder content for built characters. Hoyo: Done. Here is Dehya. Players: not like that

[@Sonnenblume997]

funny thing is the hardest content in game is still easy for her 💀💀

[@rebchizelbeak5392]

@@Sonnenblume997 with a very specific team, yes. But you are using her despite her capabilities. 4 stars are better, like Yanfei. I like her as a character and playstyle, but they nerfed her beyond reason. And she does struggle in floor 12, again, unless you use specific teams which other characters would be a better fit.

[@Sonnenblume997]

@@rebchizelbeak5392 true but that doesn't excuse how easy f12 is, it feels like we need f20 with 50 million hp+ bosses to finally enjoy the characters that people spent their hard money on for.

[@rebchizelbeak5392]

@@Sonnenblume997 f12 this rotation is more of a time challenges with burst DPS. But again, the problem is you can use Dehya, but you are hamstringing yourself just to use her. Name the team you use her in. And your team on the other side. There will be a SIGNIFICANTLY better choice than Dehya regardless of who use on the other team. Thoma, Yanfei, sucrose, and Amber are better in mono-pyro. She is workable, but worse than many in burgeon. Especially if you have EM non-claymore weapons.

[@Sonnenblume997]

@@rebchizelbeak5392 I'm using dehya c1/ayaka c2/shenhe c1/nahida c4 and raiden c3/sara c6/Kazuha c2/bennet C6 we need way harder content for genshin

[@nyanpasu4060]

I like to run Noelle with Dehya. While Noelle has a shield, her shield’s downtime is pretty long and I use her shield during Dehya’s skill’s downtime. I find that this gives Dehya enough time to heal herself in prolonged fights while still having her skill work to full effect despite having a shielder. I do feel like these two characters do make up for the other’s defensive shortcomings.

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN SINCE IT'S REVERSE DAY EVERYBODY ACTUALLY PLAYS DEHYA

[@caelussss]

There's a lot of issues I want to be addressed with Dehya, she just really needs to have her current kit fixed tbh like she would've worked *IF* she didn't have just bs issues. First - her skill. It's a form of defensive utility. What really sucks about it is that it's not really that efficient in keeping you alive because it has such a stupidly high downtime. You know what could make it work? The second recast of her skill refreshes the skill duration, or her burst refreshes its duration, much like how Kokomi can extend the duration of her jellyfish by casting her burst, by then, you'd actually have a reason to use it because it pretty much has 100% uptime and you're not really gonna die without it. Another one is her skill's pyro application. Small hitbox, very long intervals on it, making it unreliable for burgeon, which is something she could've been so good at. But no. Very long downtime, and unreliable pyro app. Everything about her skill is so bad, because I'm pretty sure her skill applied pyro every 2.5 seconds, and during that timeframe, you could generate a lot of dendro cores. Because of ICD of dendro core damage, if you let too many dendro cores hang around on the ground untouched, if Dehya pops them, it's only gonna do two instances of burgeon damage. It's already a DPS loss at that point. Third, her lack of synergy with off-field supports. The only characters that really synergize greatly with her is the core members of mono pyro, namely Kazuha, Xiangling and Bennett. Yelan and Xingqiu does not work with her which is absolute bs, even worse than Raiden's issue with Beidou (I genuinely don't understand why the hell is Hoyoverse so petty like this) and honestly, Lyney does better in that mono pyro team. Slap Childe, Ayato or Xingqiu and it's gonna be better. Furina's addition could help her but honestly not really, because you would need a healer and Bennett doesn't really suffice for her in Dehya teams unless you really put in the effort to put him on 4pc Maiden's or Clam. Fourth, her burst. It's so.. disappointing. The damage.. it's there, I guess. If they wanted to make her a DPS, at least make her numbers decent. Even Ningguang or Lisa might even be better than her at damage outputs. Not to mention the stupid fact that your burst gets cancelled when you jump, why tf does that issue exist? Her kit is trying to be too good at too many things at once and it absolutely sucks at it. DPS? Bad multipliers. No synergistic supports. Defensive utility? Healers and shielders exist - Xingqiu does the job better and provides damage and enable reactions. She wants to become a burgeon carry? Her skill sucks at it. That's why she'll always stay at Level 20 for me. :/

[@MrProdigy810]

Just pointing out a couple things: You can use units like Mona and even Nilou to vape more consistently. The others don’t work because it’s not a form shift it’s just an extended burst animation, Her ult doesn’t destroy her field, it reabsorbs it and will restore it on completion of the ult, Her strongest utility is probably that golden whatever passive that makes you completely unstaggerable for its duration(even though the field is 12 seconds but the passive duration is 9 like wtf), and she also gets this passive when she ults so you’re not getting interrupted in it. I’m pretty sure she was supposed to be a good pyro reapplier/tank hybrid. She’s useful in filling out pyro resonance and making the active character unstaggerable without the possibility of a shield breaking from the level of damage Not saying all this to defend her or be an ass(I really like your videos, don’t hate me), just noticed a couple discrepancies in what you were saying.

[@ztyronhendricks7132]

Now my biggest fear is losing 50 50 to deyah 😢

[@insertcoolnamelater9334]

I remember when we all thought she'd be like a Burgeon/Burning Nilou. We really live in the darkest timeline. The retaliation mechanic is a great idea. Could be implemented into an artifact set maybe?

[@Defenderx2480]

There was an interview with a dev that got posted on the Genshin Impact Leaks subreddit back during Dehya's beta where they said that was the original plan for Dehya but they couldn't implement it right so they gave up.

[@KC_Smooth]

I have no idea why they didn’t simply make her a Burning/Burgeon dps. It would’ve been perfect for a Sumeru character to showcase the new reaction.

[@LoneWolf20213]

I feel that if she was able to use her burst and skill, this would make her better as she wouldn't be held back then

[@tj-dx7bb]

i think dehya has the best character design of a female character in genshin, i loved her so much from the beginning bc she was so interesting has a unique story and oh my gosh her looks. But i didn't pull bc nothing in her kit works...

[@Oinarisama]

Hoyoverse made a feedback form about Dehya. About her normal attacks, her skill, her burst, her constellations, talents, everything. I thought: "Let me just fill this out real quick" and it actually took me over 2 hours to write all of it down and I probably still missed something. In the end pretty much the only thing I could think of that Dehya excels at was to walk around dragon spine without the use of food buffs. I mentioned all of the things I could think of that makes her broken and bad including the fact that you pretty much needed to get her C6, her signature weapon R5 as well as perfect stats on your artifacts (which you will likely never get because of RNG) to even make her just somewhat decent. Also pointing out that it is a failure of the designers if you have to get the constellations to make her playable, as they are there to improve a character and not fix something that is broken to begin with. Ending it by saying that all in all she needs to be buffed on all fronts or reworked completely. Like you said I was honestly expecting that Dehya was going to be someone who would take damage, get enraged and deal a ton of damage back in return and I think that would be cool. Right now she is trying to be too many things and failing at everything. She tries to be a tank (any shielder does it better) She can heal (but only herself) She can't do damage because of the low damage multipliers She does have some things that buff her damage when she takes damage (not enough for it to matter at all)

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Yup. She is the polar opposite of Qiqi, who is a complete one-trick pony

[@zartoru_]

I was so hyped about playing her, like she got 6 stars chara design, she's a strong desert woman reminding me of the gerudos from zelda, and I love zelda so much of course I'd pull for Dehya, I knew she wasn't going to be good since they said she was ending up on standard banner, but it didn't bother me since diluc for example may not be that strong, but there's still some ways to make him work. Heck there's some mad lads that made aloy work (huge respect for you aloy mains) And then I got dehya, and every step in trying to make her work was a step closer to madness, I had a pretty good emblem set, I even unlocked bennet c6 for her, and despite everything she's still bad She is getting an artifact set next patch, and spoiler alert it's worse than emblem because of her energy issues

[@koko-hh2bq]

Genshin logic: Characters that aren't actual fighters by lore are busted in gameplay. Characters that are fighters by lore are laughably weak.

[@arthuremo112]

As an owner of a lvl 90 Dehya, i can confidently say the if all they did was reduce the attack interval of her skill, that by itself would make her so so so much better.

[@RellenongPusit]

Like many, I was really hyped for Dehya as a playable character. I was hoping that she will be the first pyro character that will put burgeon as a viable alternative to bloom, cause as much as I like the convent dmg of bloom, it restricts me to do a wider variety of team composition for dendro. As mentioned in the video, Hoyo could've capitalized on Dehya's taken damage in a form if revenge mechanic (I'm thinking of putting it as an additional damage to her Q, just like how Sett's W in LOL works) but they didn't. They served Dehya as a complete mess. To say that I'm disappointed would be an understatement. I wish this is the last time Hoyo would get away of this kind of BS lol

[@whaleborne1308]

But it's HoYo. They'll get away with it till the end of time because of the rabid part of the fanbase (the majority) that will defend the game to the death.

[@shalluna]

on a positive note, burgeon Thoma is super viable :) as a low spend mobile player, I 36 starred the abyss for the first time last patch using a Thoma, Ayato, & Nahida team. I really wish Dehya served similar purpose tho

[@mahks-pectith3179]

Yeah, what's crazy is that when you look at her kit as a whole, her taking damage over time literally does nothing positive for her. Her skill would be better without it since all it does is make her take unnecessary damage

[@GhostlyGhost333]

Chances are, their going to do it again. The fan base for the game is so hooked on it, they’ll literally pull on anything that’s thrown in front of them. It would require the majority of the player base to revolt against Hoyo in order to for anything to get fixed. And chances of that happening are slim to none.

[@IlhamArda28]

@@GhostlyGhost333 sorry for my late comment, but this is really true. I watch japanese genshin streamer a lot and they don't even really care about character kit but still they always getting almost every chars at C6. i really sad because those can make hyv doesn't even afraid to make a char super bad as long as their appearance godly or lovable.

[@KoenSkySea]

I NEED her to be good one day like oh my god shes so fuckin cool in every way except gameplay it sucks so bad. Why does hoyo hate her so much

[@TebbleTV]

I can't be the only one who had hoped Dehya would have speciflized in burning and burgeon, the pattern seemed that the Sumeru 5 stars, except Wanderer, would play around the dendro reaction. Tighnari and Alhaitham focus on spread for direct dendro damage, Cyno on aggravate and hyperbloom, Nilou or bloom and Nahida on all dendro reactions being the archon. With the pattern is would have made sense for Dehya to focus on boosting the damage of burning and burgeon, even her skill is called molten, you know lava related to why not focus on damage over time? Either that or focus on her tanking and increase the damage of her skill and burst as she takes damage but they didn't go that way either. In a way Dehya is similar to Xinyan where they didn't know what direction to go with her kit. Being split into either being a pseudo main dps and being an off field dps but not doing well at either. It's also noticeable in her test run and the trial version kit with how they want her to be presented. In her trial they wanted Dehya to be like Raiden, setting up for off field damage then coming in to use the burst before rotating back through the team. She had lots of attack and HP along with her signature weapon and yet her damage wasn't much lower that what everyone expected, granted that's also the community raising the bar way to high for all future characters but I digress. In her kit for the vibro crystals, she was focused on HP and being an off field support all the way even with the Bell.

[@zester000]

Commenting to spread this around- thank you for informing people about Dehya's issues!

[@simplyxrainbowcloud]

I honestly love dyeha after the sumeru achron quest it’s sad that they made her kit crap I hope they can fix her soon

[@Geese_boi777]

If they just let her burst consistently proc vaporize with Yelan and Xingqui she would be a decent unit that’s at least on par with Diluc imo

[@ola20004]

I tried her in melt with kaeya and rosaria but the amount of er she needs is insane and i had to give my cryo daddy and goth nun fav weapons instead of his mistsplitter and her catch just to make the rotation work and even with those weapons they still did more dmg than her, kaeya and rosaria team are perfectly fine and can feed each other energy so they can use more powerful weapons, so imagine my surprise when bu replacing kazuha with dehya for more pyro, i had to butcher my team to make her work

[@Candytime9]

I feel like a simple fix (without a full rework) to make Dehya's kit more cohesive, would be to add extra damage to her burst based on the damage she mitigated but also when she hits enemies in her burst, each kit can provide some healing for the team. It doesn't have to be incredible healing up to full because she mitigates damage anyway, her damage numbers wouldn't have to be incredibly high because at least her healing would be useful. (My second fix would be having her work with Xingqiu and Yelan, though they made Raiden not work with Beidou so this might not happen). Yeah Dehya is standard, but look at Tighnari, he is very strong, though his element does help him (especially when paired with electro), his kit is cohesive, Dehya is pyro which is generally a good element too.

[@DMetaMonty]

I pulled for her and spent money. I just didn't care. I wanted her since the initial Sumeru trailer. I've never been one to keep to a meta if it's a unit whose design I enjoy.

[@IceHeartAlpha]

HOT TAKE: imo, she would be a 4 star, but made 5 star and sent to standard banner to cover some of the damage tighnari Eng VA caused to the character

[@meshari_al_khamsi16]

I don't think that's the case my guess is they didn't have enough time to build her kit properly and the when the test bata opened, people starting to point out the flaws and her kit and it became very a big problem. Everyone was talking about it so when the version update special program, they decided at the final minute they going to put her on the permanent banner to quiet down the outrage from the fandom. Which is really sucks because many people like her personally and it's a shame she came out that way😕

[@rayvnzero1547]

Honestly I had the idea of having deyha gain say a pyro stack everytime she absorbs a certain amount of dmg while off field with her ability with a max of 5. Then when she activates her burst she uses those pyro stacks up and gets a 20%dmg boost for each stack while her burst is active. Something like that

[@devlong993]

I expected Dehya slander and I absolutely got what I wanted.

[@velvetvampirica]

Dehya was originally going to be a four star and had a similar kit to chongyun (without the infusion and some additional damage stuff), this doesn't excuse her current state in the game, but at least explains it a bit

[@mlkywine6852]

That’s not even true, that’s just a poor rumor. Dehya was intended to be a 5 star since Day 1. otherwise she wouldn’t have been given so much screen time given to her during the archon quest (Which are pre-planned)

[@zartoru_]

If only it was something like this, in reality she got rushed, her beta testing took place when most of hoyo staff was in vacation for new year. They got back, seen how much the character was broken and how little time they had left to fix her so they threw her on standard as a form of damage control

[@N_Nishi]

I pulled her. I don't regret it. ...because I have Hu Tao with Homa to use instead

[@FaultyParadox]

I play dehya for the movement speed during the day, because I don't have rosaria. 15% extra movement speed while grabbing oculus, and exploring is required because movement speed in genshin is just so slow. Even if dehya didn't have any use at all, I'd still use it for the movement speed.

[@CC-kp7ge]

Small correction, she doesn't get 60% damage reduction on the first cast of her E, it's only the second cast or using her burst

[@sonofdeleniel007]

Doesn't help that her signature set in 3.6is actually WORSE than 4P Emblem.

[@slenderiusmann4178]

The concept for Dehya's character and playstyle vs. how it was executed is my biggest disappointment with the entire game so far. From the moment I first saw her in a cutscene I knew I was going to pull for her, which I still did, but the fact that having her take up a character slot is actively hindering yourself in most cases is just feels like a slap in the face to anybody who likes her design. If there was ever a time for a character buff this would be it, because at this point it feels like there was an office-wide competition to design the most incongruent and non-functional kit in the game and it unfortunately got slapped on one of the coolest and most likeable characters (personality and appearance-wise, at least), just completely bricking her.

[@mathew_was_alone296]

I think she'll be better if she's a different element, like if she's a geo, I know she'll be competing with itto but geo have gorou which makes the mono geo team more viable than a mono pyro, same goes if she's cryo because of shenhe, she can also be good to be anemo cuz of faruzan. A dendro or electro will make her burst stronger because of aggravate and spread, and her skill might be also be good in hyperbloom if she's electro. I'm not sure with Hydro but if she was she'll be a great enabler for xiangling, or idk but I bet she'll be good replacement in some team comps.

[@arakalblackherst8031]

I enjoy playing Dehya, grante dI choose to stay at AR50 so give or take what I say with a grain of salt granted. But I do enjoy using her for currently for exploring and just popping off with her ult on targets for boss fights or domains. Or for example perma elemental effected targets like say if someone is in water or the Fatui skirmishers. I DO hope she gets some QoL changes/buffs down the line though; but mainly I'm running Gladiators currently for her and treating her as one of my main physical units with out shields since I have her signiture weapon currently. So she is fun to play for me right personally, but I still hope she gets something nice down the line be it artifacts perfect for her or something.