Why NO ONE Plays: Olimar | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

[@HerMajestyVelvet]

I secondary Olimar and I can say firsthand that to play Olimar you need a very specific type of brain that can multitask while also playing super defensive and making sure you’re still pressuring

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Jeez, and I thought maining link took a specific thought process

[@HerMajestyVelvet]

@@mrhalfsaid1389Link does have that same problem but it’s way less harsh bc Link can default to nair when overwhelmed

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

@@HerMajestyVelvet yeah, and I also find that link is deceptively fast sometimes, and that throws people off

[@Nefaliss]

Dabuz be like :

[@mr.gamewatch6165]

So it’s not a Dandori issue?

[@kevingriffith6011]

One thing I would change about Olimar: You know how characters post-brawl started getting unique UI when necessary? Give Olimar the same treatment: One large colored pip next to his portrait that matches the active pikmin, and 4 smaller colored pips that represent the pikmin as they'll become available. Just turn them into an empty socket when it's empty and turn it black when the pikmin is unavailable. That'd make it much easier to plan out your combos and identify certain patterns that you can use to combo. Smash is a complicated game, it's easy to lose track of those tiny pikmin when everything is exploding and particles are flying everywhere, so having a place you know you can look to plan your next move would be huge, I think.

[@Matanumi]

Man ultimate was the game to DO something like this in.... And sometimes it fell short. Note how we never got a proper hero menu update. Mods that to solve that

[@pote2frouifruite81]

This is something ive complained about ever since smash ultimate came out, Olimar SHOULD have a special hud similar to the Pikmin games so you can see which Pikmin is next in line at any time, cus that arrow thing is laughably small and hard to see in the heat of the action

[@TheCounterTeamer]

I think the problem with Olimar is that his complexity sometimes doesn’t make them harder to play against, only harder to play as.

[@3of6mylove]

And he'll be 100% shut down by the mere existence of a reflecter in his vicinity.

[@dabatable]

@@3of6myloveyou have never fought a good olimar

[@3of6mylove]

@@dabatable I'm talking top level, equal skill. There are plenty of characters that hard counter olimar when played with equal skill.

[@dabatable]

@@3of6mylove a reflector is not what invalidates Olimar

[@3of6mylove]

@@dabatable It is one of many things, not the only thing.

[@Dr_Tune]

As an Olimar main, I wholeheartedly believe that this character is slept on

[@spiritbaki108]

As a Jigglypuff main, I'm sleeping on Olimar

[@reghretti]

All I can say is thank god

[@TheSunsettingtokillyoul0l]

​@@spiritbaki108you cant he's too tiny.

[@spiritbaki108]

@@TheSunsettingtokillyoul0l "You underestimate my micro movements!"

[@samuelharrison7834]

@@spiritbaki108 as a Jigglypuff main, I'm considering taking Olimar as my second character

[@jaye4521]

"These inconsistencies ultimately lead to many players feeling disillusioned by the character." Sounds like a dandori issue.

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Olimar's main issue from what i can tell is that his gimmicks make him overly convoluted as a character, because no i don't think having FIVE grab ranges is reasonable for anyone to have to strategise around

[@0hiMark12]

Even more than that. It also depends on how many are in the line up and how many in the line up are purple xD GLHF

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

The only Pikmin you should be trying to grab with is blue for their enhanced throw power… Maybe white Pikmin if you want to catch some off guard with that extended reach.

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

@@rodrickgoldberg2324 I know, but the point is a character so incredibly inconsistent that it's frustrating to keep track of the tiny guys the Lil guy throws around

[@0hiMark12]

Red and Yellow down throws are big combo starters at low percent. Blue is actually a bad throw at low percents because there's too much knock back to get guaranteed follow ups. Its common to even throw blue off the stage when it's not going to KO throw

[@rodrickgoldberg2324]

@@0hiMark12 I prefer a defensive, keep away style with Olimar. Leaning on spacing and punishes over combos. Even if they don’t kill, Blues give me breathing room to reassess my squad.

[@KaiJie-n8q]

A lot of people say olimar is lame, when in reality you need to have good knowledge and planning to play as him.

[@sO_RoNerY]

Yeah, people do. Just like the Pikmin games.

[@KryZenGraphics]

This video could not have come at a better time, we’re planning Olimar content on Dabuz’s channel next week

[@0hiMark12]

The matchup chart? :3

[@happymonkeyfish]

Haven't watched yet, but thank you so much for continuing to make smash content. I know you made that post saying that this channel didn't feel worth it, but those of us that watch love your videos, you have a very distinct presentation style and I love the ideas you bring in your content

[@kicksyo2171]

I had no idea that Pikmin also affected grabs and aerials. That’s so crazy. Thanks for the video.

[@tekharbt]

Thank you for talking about Olimar! Just for the sake of absurdity I would like to point out that Olimar actually has 9 different grab ranges instead of 5. the pikmin type, the type of the leader, and the number of pikmin influence his grab range. His grab range is also slightly extended when he is at ledge for reasons other Olimar players and I don't understand at all

[@donkylefernandez4680]

Against Olimar you adjust yourself based on which Pikmin he might have; if he has yellows he's far away so cross him, purples like to kill, reds like to fight, blues- like to throw? and whites like to be thrown so expect a zone-y playstyle if he has more whites. AS an Olimar player, you have to consider how your opponent will be evading your Pikmin, plan accordingly, and understand the possible mix ups with the options your Pikmin would prefer. Often playing or watching an Olimar play it's "If only I had x Pikmin in that moment" and that's his quit moment. When you feel a loss of agency because you couldn't properly gets your ducks in line. In that regard, he's more of a free-form improvisational character with strong moments that you can capitalize on and once it hits the curse of the Meta, not even Ganondorf, Kazuya, or Dedede would give you an opening. forcing you to fish for a decent Pikmin while Olimar plays the "come here or I'll shoot you" game for 7-and-a-half minutes

[@rottentomatoplays]

Myran did retire about 6 to 8 months ago due to starting a new career and expanding his gaming repertoire. He has said though we would consider coming back for smash 6, but as of now is only playing at a casual level.

[@KynG5]

A good Olimar _Main_ is going to have to be a terrifyingly intelligent individual. Someone who can think about which pikmin they're using for *every* attack and using DownB accordingly while ALSO keeping a cool head while ALSO focusing on everything the *opponent* is doing as well If/When that Main shows up... things will get interesting for the little spaceman

[@0hiMark12]

You might be surprised, but most of it turns into second nature so that the player can focus on the crazier parts of smash xD

[@DoMorrMusic]

Fun Fact: Olimar has the most top 8’s in majors and supermajors in Ultimate’s history.

[@smasher8uhx932]

Has anyone noticed that you have to wait til about 170% to get a kill screen blue up throw. At that point I stare at my opponent.

[@Sickmmaner]

I GOTTA see this one, because this character is fucking UNFAIR. Throwing Pikmin at peopls and comboing them as they are biting you up, taking 70 damage in 4 seconds?!

[@thanieltu3153]

That’s a brilliant idea for Steve balancing. If he had to recover farther, he has an option to discard his gold/diamond resources, or whatever he has in hand already crafted. Another thing that would be great is if blocks can only be placed directly above a platform. This would lessen his ladder combos, and offstage block edge guarding

[@3of6mylove]

Nah to balance him, they should nerf him into bottom tier by whatever means necessary, so no one has to look at him again. I would rather watch 10000 min min dittos than a single Steve match.

[@LoliPeeSlurper]

Nah to balance him, they should buff him into top tier by whatever means necessary, so everyone has to look at him again. I would rather watch 10000 steve dittos than a single Min-min match.

[@3of6mylove]

@@LoliPeeSlurper Your opinion is in the minority, and thus irrelevant.

[@LoliPeeSlurper]

@@3of6mylove Your opinion is in the minority, and thus irrelevant.

[@dagoodboy6424]

Whenever i fight olimar he feels like he can easily crumble under pressure. This helped me see y that is.

[@robdillenger4763]

You say Olimar has quintuple the moves because all his relevant attacks use Pikmin- but they can ALSO be leaf, bud, or flower. These (at least) change his attack damage/knockback. I think it changes range/speed of some moves, too. So he has 15x attack variations.

[@0hiMark12]

The leaf/bud/flower doesn't actually affect damage. Just tested it and a fully charged red f-smash does 29.2 damage at all stages. I think it might have affected pikmin in previous games (or perhaps it was increased health?) but not in ultimate

[@gaslit7442]

​@@0hiMark12If I remember correctly, the flower has been purely cosmetic since the beginning, with the misconception/myth that it affects gameplay being around since the Brawl days. Can't blame people, it sure looks like it'd do something, but nah.

[@jonathansolorzano1981]

Flowers actually represent how fast a Pikmin is at running around, that's it, they have no effect on damage, knockback or range whatsoever.

[@Wildestleaf]

And add the other pikmin types. Rock pikmin to break shields, ice pikmin to freeze.

[@99Mysteries]

Yep, that all sounds about right. Me personally, I'm not that good at predicting what pikmin comes next all the time so I treat it like a set of cards. I pluck my pikmin, see what I have, and go from there. The only problem is that if you have a blue your opponent knows what to watch out for when fighting. I definitely agree that Olimar's straightforward nature makes it hard to be creative.

[@Bupboy32]

Fantastic analysis. He really does suffer from an archetype dilemma, huh? I always thought he should've been a character around area control / trapping, given how the gameplay of the Pikmin games themselves are. Really hoping he gets a major rework next game that allows him to use his Pikmin in more interesting ways. He DEFINITELY needs 4 or 5 Pikmin in his lineup, but I feel his method for acquiring them should be made different from his current frame 1 pluck. I would also love to see an ability to dismiss your lead Pikmin and have it stand still; you could then press the button again to have that Pikmin do a unique attack. Just something, ANYTHING... I love the Pikmin series to death and yet I can't stand watching Olimar in this game. He needs a moveset overhaul... and his actual personality, too. Don't really get why he's portrayed as a bumbling emotionless space dude when there's so, SO much more to him in the actual Pikmin series.

[@drewwinters5165]

I used to be an Olimar main in Smash 4, the mechanics for that game helped Olimar alot to make him a turtley-defensive style of character and thrived on it. Now because of Ultimate's faster nature, I dropped him after the first year of play. Every character was so much faster and aggressive but Olimar lacked all of those attributes and felt like the same character he was once before, he felt like a Smash 4 character playing in Ultimate. I still like his mechanics and miss it from time to time but the lack of help he got from game to game made me give up on him which is a shame. At least they fixed trading aerials with other characters, now if they only did that for Smash attacks...

[@aidandelrey]

i’ve recently started playing olimar online and find him really fun… he’s become my highest gsp fighter… i think because he’s so unpopular has led to people not really knowing how to deal with him

[@TheReZisTLust]

I absolutely love back throwing with blues while tossing whites and spiking with yellows big hit boxs. And taking out Krools never felt better. And I think Blue Yellow Blue is my favorite overall lineup. But it's hard to get.

[@0hiMark12]

KO'ing with the blue forward through at ledge is also super satisfying. Even more so than the up-throw imo.

[@TheReZisTLust]

​@@0hiMark12I cant remember the last I forward threw a blue lol the 13% backthrow dmg is super solid when juggling grabs and his spinny neutrals and down tilt. I'll definitely hop on soon and check out the fthrows tho

[@Envy_but_humorous]

As A olimar main I can comfirm we mostly spam purple pikmin and smash attacks

[@jethiliusavalar6449]

I think one if the main reasons i dont play him as much is they got rid of the pikmin chain recovery.

[@ReddXYZ]

Why no one plays Olimar? No dandori.

[@X-35173]

I mained Oli in smash 4 but dropped him in ultimate when I realized how fun Wii Fit Trainer is

[@skapenguin]

I love fucking around with Olimar, he's so much fun to play as. But playing him for long periods can be difficult. I know Elite smash isn't much, but I've gotten like 15 characters into elite, Olimar is one I hit a wall with every time

[@Kalionyz]

sephiroth being the same weight as olimar is CRIMINAL

[@carsonrush3352]

I think a lot of this complexity could be fixed by letting him choose one color at a time with his down B, like Shulk changing modes. Heck, in the Pikmin game, you could always choose a crowd of one kind if Pikmin according to the encounter you were entering. Why not do it here?

[@0oShwavyo0]

Might as well let Sora pick his spells too

[@Sergio-wc1wn]

That would be too overpowered. Purple pikmin are too strong to be able to be chosen all the time.

[@partypants5629]

Lol calling the Pikmin “secret service” GET DOWN MR. PRESIDENT

[@JiggySwagner]

I play a ton of Olimar so here are my thoughts. Playstyle-wise he is pretty much perfect as a representation of Pikmin. The problem is his lack of identity. His animations lack distinctiveness; not only is visual clarity an issue but his wonderful personality is completely absent in Smash. Players cant connect with a character like that, especially considering his design isnt very cool nor cute in a traditional sense. That combined with the inconsistency in gameplay brought up. In a theoretical redesign I would keep the Pikmin's unique attributes but maybe smooth some of the edges. Id also like for him to still have a full moveset without them, albeit much weaker. (Maybe without Pikmin his forward smash becomes that goofy dropkick from Brawl). Maybe change some attributes to encourage a more aggressive-zoning playstyle, like having enemies with Pikmin latched on take additonal damage from standard attacks, with balance tunings accordingly. Finally, give him his voice and give him silly animations because they are wonderful. Edit: and a UI indicator for current Pikmin order, you could rip this straight from the games

[@LocknessDaGoat]

I feel like Louie would be easier to do personality with.

[@hathouses]

Also, i think olimars pikmin grow slightly stronger as they age and gain flowers

[@mythicalrock2486]

the thing is, olimar isn’t a zoner, he’s a glass cannon

[@alanwiseman3235]

Love the myran kibry kid clip. Poor kkr, video on him next?

[@stainlesss00]

been waiting for dis one. Need dat villager vid soon to.

[@smasher8uhx932]

Olimar is my secondary while Mega Man is my main. As both I feel this pain.

[@byleth9565]

Also the red pikmin are immune to fire attacks and yellow pikmin are immune to electric attacks like their home games

[@k-leb4671]

I remember back when I was obsessed with Brawl, Olimar was the _one_ character I basically never played. He was just so weird and, as you said, unintuitive. I didn't get his moveset at all. I couldn't keep track of or figure out any of the properties of the pikmin. I thought he was the worst character in the game, but then again I was a kid. Also, I don't understand, how did Olimar go from a zoner to a kind of faux-swordie?

[@bobert555555]

Cmon VARS, I’m begging you to do a little Mac video. You’ve somewhat noted him in the comeback video, but it’d be so fun to do a hard analysis of him 😂

[@Alvis44]

Why, why little mac

[@pocketpoprocks4577]

What I’ve learned from this is that Olimar is the Aphelios of smash bros

[@Raggins]

I genuinely enjoyed playing Olimar, but his Pikmin extending my opponents hitboxes killed it for me

[@puffii_]

request to make a video on diddy kong

[@Wario_B]

Whistle armor still makes me angry

[@stevenrs11]

I love olimar and have mained him since brawl. No other character can play quite the same game as him.

[@Maxsb0]

This video made Olimar one of my mains.

[@tarakeighran2184]

I mean did you see what Shuton Sid to MKleo those matches made MKleo look like……. Not MKleo 😂

[@Ketchupkamisama]

Wasn’t sure where to ask this, but how do you feel about a Why no one plays Zelda? A friend recently picked her up, and on paper she seems really good. 6 frame aerials with tons of base damage and generous hitboxes, up B kills at higher percent. Ledge trapping set play. It feels like lack of speed and disjoints are the main thing holding her back, but that doesn’t stop the fiery cat and wondered what else would contribute

[@Skkdkskskdhdn99]

No one plays her? Shes very popular

[@Ketchupkamisama]

@@Skkdkskskdhdn99 it’s… the name of the series lol. Which is focused on the top levels of competitive play, so yeah she doesn’t really get any representation there

[@Skkdkskskdhdn99]

@@Ketchupkamisama Even at a competitive level, She's still used a lot more than the characters that are discussed.

[@Ketchupkamisama]

@@Skkdkskskdhdn99 huh I guess I just haven’t seen them. Which top players are known for their Zelda?

[@thethrongler3070]

I love this content. Genuinely a watch on release (most of the time 😅)

[@ARG-ARandomGuy]

Now do an Alph episode

[@bnsz8704]

I can play Olimar decently but I have to focus too much and it’s not worth needing to since that also means I can’t focus as much on my opponent

[@lokks2130]

Really? Olimar is honestly easier when you're mainly looking at your opponent. All you gotta do is chuck out Pikmin.

[@yaboytony3028]

​@@lokks2130sure but then your risking throwing a pikmin you need or quickly running out of pikmin for aerials

[@lokks2130]

You use your game sense to decide when that's appropriate or not. He has three for a reason lool

[@miscojones-33]

Amazing video👍👍👍

[@TyphonCH]

When I saw this video come up it reminded me this character was in the game. I genuinely forget Olimar exists

[@Theamazingoceanss]

I am an Olimar main myself and everything here is true to Olimar but he is a easy character to pick up but he is not easy to play in tournament but still I love playing Olimar

[@JJSquirtle]

1:54 "and if there's ever a character who embodies micromanagement, it is without a doubt," Ridley. Don't believe me? His most reliable combos and best kill-confirms are either character-specific, 2-frame links, or ANIMATION AND CHARACTER SPECIFIC. Probably least well-known is that uptilt up air becomes a much easier kill confirm to land %-wise on specific characters, during a specific animation that occurs on specific %s out of a jab lock, and is harder/impossible to do at a character's feet then their head. It can also be used on dk out of a fair where he missed a tech starting at 0 to execute a 0-death because of course we can 0-death DK, it just requires two unbufferable frame-1 links and and perfect spacing brought together with delayed shffl movement

[@0oShwavyo0]

Wow you just convinced me to never play Ridley 😅

[@JJSquirtle]

@@0oShwavyo0 most people don't do this with him, they go for sicko reads, but before I stopped playing I grinded Ridley in the lab for months

[@eanderson9599]

Bro has run out of characters, Olimar is pretty popular especially in Japan

[@0hiMark12]

Even in japan he's been statistically less prevalent. Most of the top players that mained Olimar now mostly use him as a secondary. Shuton, obviously, but also Noi and Tsubotsubo. Still have my boy Uame repping, though

[@keeeot]

Duck Hunt video when?

[@sO_RoNerY]

In the end you can do pretty well with any Pikmin next to attack. Don’t over think it. If you care about damage like most people do in video games that involve damage of said weapon or Pikmin, Whistle through the colours until red, purple or yellow are next. 11:56 of you think that, the Fire Emblem characters are straightforward characters. This kid knows nothing in the end. He thinks every character should win against other characters at a 50/50 winning rate. That’s not the case in this game. it’s called balance. So yeah Olimar is going to struggle against sword characters.

[@carcharo7]

Never seen a hype olimar play

[@pbz7572]

Olimar is a better counterpick character than Pika right?

[@Nico_Nilla]

I picked up Alph like 2 months ago and now he's my favorite over joker and kazuya. Honestly super fun character but people get upset fighting me online. Alphs play style can be annoying to deal with but so fun to play as

[@temmie5764]

Still waiting for the Lucas video

[@scg4931]

Can you do a why no one plays king k rool next please

[@rainbowspongebob]

He only has two punches

[@TheReZisTLust]

3, His tilt is his mega fist item from 2.

[@jairramirez1595]

I don't know but I'm truly grateful that no one plays Olimar

[@DprNeon]

Fr, if I get bored everytime I play against one in elite smash and they just camp with side B I'm grateful I don't find many olimar players in tournament lol, same with pac-man

[@Pikmaniak]

I used to main Olimar back in Brawl, and actually stopped playing him in Smash 4 and Ultimate because of the changes they made to him in the latter games. Brawl Olimar was best Olimar, hands down.

[@krys3001]

Please do Why No one plays Duck Hunt.

[@nicholasharlan6504]

So Olimar is the Aphelios of Smash?

[@MeLlamoJonathan]

Nice video. Personally I hate Olimar but it's nice to see an analysis on him. Request : "Why No One Plays Pichu"?

[@peacho7515]

Dandori thibking is required to play olimar

[@TannerWooten-b8n]

So.... I'm the only one who plays as Olimar or is it just me?

[@anigodzapex9384]

Short Awnser: A highly Managment Dependent Character with many Unorthodox Tools, without beeing Flashy and having bad Animation Design wich creates an Illusion of all Attacks feeling the same!

[@nechocat1234]

Dandori dependent*

[@Nerdieo]

because they love alph :)

[@thewoofalo631]

Any I want it to stay this way

[@leviking3828]

lucario next

[@puffii_]

And thank god no one does.

[@cringewyrm]

I am the #1 shuton fan. His olimar is really interesting, I love watching it. Shuton plays him so well. No offense dabuz, but shuton plays him way better. Shuton is my goat

[@snivydream]

I think you’re not asking/awnsering the right question

[@dogboyton3166]

He is my worst character and my least favorite to play too Also I think it would be interesting to revisit a couple of old “Why No One Plays” to see if they’re now outdated or if the characters are still seeing low usage

[@TheSunsettingtokillyoul0l]

Wow Olimar is really mad at you now.

[@SuchiVang-k3d]

I play as Olimar! I just don't frickin understand why people hate him but they like him in ****ing PIKMIN!!! OLIMAR IS THE BEST CHARACTER IN MY OPINION, LIKE SOME PEOPLE LIKE HIM BUT MOST PEOPLE HATE HIM!!!

[@davecrupel2817]

This game is way, WAY too fast-paced for me to plan and strategize Olimar's current, and up&coming pickmen. I straight up do not have the brain speed & reaction speed for it.

[@kingwilldestroy3611]

I’m trying to main olimar

[@alaricdoe2656]

Very good video. The one thing I have is that Olimar is the only character that looses his attacks due to the opponent(besides Kirby that you mention). The other character is Robin. The opponent can destroy Robin's levin sword. If Robin uses an attack with the levin sword and they are in the start up animation or before the hit box comes out, if they are hit, it counts as if they used their levin swords. You can find yourself losing several levin sword uses because they hit you and you find yourself with only one levin sword use left even though you never used it, whiffed a swing, or tried to threaten with it.

[@thelostghost694]

Wario next pls

[@kerolyn413]

As a Brawl Olimar main, Ultimate Olimar feels like the developers tried converting him into more of a brawler type after largely only really giving him nerfs in 4 but kind of gave up halfway through? For instance, Olimar used to have a property on his aerials in Brawl and 4 where any active hitbox interacting with them, regardless of damage, would cancel out their hitbox entirely, even if they were overlapping with a hurtbox on the same frame, with the canceling taking priority over the hurtbox being recognized first, and in Ultimate, they decided to give his aerials intangibility like Meta Knight's aerials in Brawl, which just feels very slapped on. But, as mentioned, he still retains a lot of his old weaknesses back when he was designed more as a zoner/turtling character such as poor disadvantage, very light weight, and low mobility, along with maintaining those complex multitasking and resource management mechanics that shine much better for the zoner type they were originally designed as, so overall, his design now just feels pulled in two very different directions. That's not even getting into things like how just using Pikmin Toss once suddenly leaves Olimar with only 2/3 of his resources for a few seconds or the fact that Pikmin AI still suffers from pretty dire inconsistency issues, which can absolutely result in losing games in ways that the player can't realistically be expected to predict or account for without massively compromising on their gameplan to begin with. When I look at Ultimate Olimar, the question that always pops into my head is, "Who is this character for?" People who prefer brawlers and grapplers have plenty of much simpler and more consistent characters while players who prefer zoners have tons of far more reliable choices as well. Olimar obviously appeals to some people, but it's going to be people with very specific tastes (not that I can judge as a Greninja main currently in the process of trying to pick up MK). The sad thing is, I do feel like Brawl Olimar was a very unique character who sadly seems to be lost. Yes, there were a number of overtuned things about him (Frame 8 OoS Usmash that killed early and had little endlag on a turtle/zoner character was disgusting), but I feel like there absolutely were ways to balance him instead of just doing a half-assed job trying to change his original archetype. Of course, I fully acknowledge that a lot of players find having to play against a character like that annoying, but I really got a lot of joy out of using Brawlimar, and I am a little sad that we've not had a character really like him since then (Steve is kind of close I think, but I have absolutely zero interest in them).

[@0hiMark12]

What appealed to me was the pikmin management. I found it cool that I can play this kind of micro game inside the game. I first played him in brawl when I was mostly just playing characters my friends didn't play. Loved the different pikmin, getting that purple. I didn't know how to play smash, but i could play pikmin management. Definitely informed my playstyle as i started getting interested in the competitive scene. So i'm best with characters that range from zoners to brawlers.

[@LoliPeeSlurper]

Olimar will always be lame no matter what, his only moves are consisting of him throwing Pikmins and nothing else 😴💤

[@LoliPeeSlurper]

Steve is way more interesting than him, having multiple game styles (although broken, still much variety), tbh most of the characters in the game are either underpowered low/mid tiers or boring 10+ interactions/stock characters imo.

[@brandylorraine]

Dandori Issue

[@Epikruss]

Olimar honestly fell off a ton, I remember the days when he was viewed as a top 3 metathreat with players like shuton dabuz and myran, sad to see the character not receive nearly the same representation as shuton and dabuz both put him as a secondary and myran doesn’t compete often.

[@Accountthatexists]

Sadly nobody is playing anbody anymore cause Nintendo finally said "FUCK SMASH"......Ik sakurai didnt want smash to be this sweaty of a game, but he never wanted his game to die, sadge

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

This game is nowhere near dying. Did you blatantly ignore Port Priority 8 that happened recently?

[@Accountthatexists]

@@user-be3qc7re9o when is recently, this was from 2-3 weeks ago

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

@treasure9342 And that's not recent to you? That's less than a Month ago.

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

@@Accountthatexists Low Tier City 2023 also happened 2 days ago. I don't know where you get the false idea that this game is dying.

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

@treasure9342 The Japanese Scene of the game is also very alive and well, unless you're implying that the Japanese don't matter.

[@riotron1026]

So essentially the meta has shifted to the more complicated characters falling off due to players being too lazy to adjust to changing properties of the pikmin, even though it requires no changing of inputs and would rather use more braindead characters like cloud (big sword go burr), min min (long arms go burr) ect… Got it.😂 I think the drastic difficulty swing of some of these characters like the two I mentioned ends up fundamentally fostering bad players. Why play with a character that may be more complex but rewarding then you can just pick a character that outside of core fundamentals can allow you to essentially turn your brain off and abuse very easy to spam/hit with attacks and reap the rewards. Like it makes sense but also it limits players capabilities, which will eventually have a more negative impact of the metagame overall. Seems like it’s not even a matter of if at this point but when.

[@Alvis44]

Assuming spargo turns his brain off while playing cloud is so funny. Its always great when people who are shit at the game assume they know what’s happening at a top level.

[@riotron1026]

@@Alvis44 I knew the Spargo meat riders were coming. This is exactly why I said “beyond having solid fundementals” part. Is Spargo a great player, obviously but to suggest that there isn’t an inherent advantage to using cloud due to his ease of use is kinda silly to me. That’s why the character is so popular

[@yaboytony3028]

What? No. Complicated characters are very popular because most are very good. The problem begins is when they are too exhausting to play long term, the pros outweigh the cons, or the character just being bad/unreliable. Sure you could play the character who you change the properties of his moves to better fit the situation, but it has to be done preemptively. If you change it and guess wrong, you can lose out on a kill, combo and could even put yourself in disadvantage. Why risk situations like that, when you pick a character who's move may be weaker or less applicable, but never changes and will reliably do the same thing every time? People don't play Olimar because his cons heavily outweigh his pros, even if he is a top tier. Too light, small disjoints, only kinda fast, bad tilts, and most importantly, Unreliable.

[@riotron1026]

@@yaboytony3028 Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean by easy to play. Characters that are straightforward, no tight or long combo routes, no complicated or tactical gameplay outside of basic fundamentals, are usually almost all upside minus like a notable flaw or two. Which again, I see why players would gravitate to that, but it still does foster bad players, lazier play compared to other characters due to the lack of extra thought that has to be put into using them and it’s not the players fault. I blame the game devs. In a game like smash where you have easy to use, well rounded characters like cloud, Rob, the Agies, G&W, Min-Min that literally have almost everything if not everything while having simple to use, easy to abuse moves that other characters don’t have access to and thus will struggle more on average is a bad game design choice for a platform fighter like smash.

[@TheReZisTLust]

In short... Dandori issue.

[@scass1100]

Olimar is just boring as hell to play. None of his specials really do anything to help you fight, so all you do is throw pikmin and use really generic attacks. He could really use a redesign.

[@Matanumi]

Olimar is personally, within my game, the least played character of the game

[@benross9174]

The entire of Europe agrees. Only Brawl vets really play him

[@psykod_ahs]

good video :)

[@OliveOil-ssbu]

I play olimar, im only good at cringe characters, ice climbers, kirby, plant, olimar, villager:(

[@maydayredd6137]

do a why no one plays zelda

[@Jellylamps]

Olimar is one of the few characters that’s both annoying to use and to play against

[@hubbleworks7872]

Olimar broken 😭🙏💯💯🔥🔥🗣️🗣️