Baisically it boils down to "almost all of them had big HP buffs so Eviolite became irrelevant".
@bigmonke33482 ай бұрын
They couldve at least made wyrdeer keep the same speed and have high special attack considering it has freaking huge ass psychic orbs on its horns
@orkodork27642 ай бұрын
Some of these eviolite mons r good in lower smogon tiers. There’s no Chansey 2.0 tho
@danielsmith50322 ай бұрын
Literally was coming into the comments for this. It seems if they have trash HP star eviolite isn’t much help. If Ursaring chose to be defensive maybe that would work tho
@sewerdork61832 ай бұрын
No, not really. Hp is important but not the key point of why they failed. Was *a* reason for about all of them, was *never* the *main* issue except girafarig which it’s ability & nerf to speed was also key. It’s about what you lose to stay as a the pre-evo. Abilities, moveset. Bonus typing, what item the fully evolved form can hold, & bonus stats in other areas not just hp. Like ursaring. Removing flame orb to have eviolite makes it way way worse in singles, and for doubles you have to waste a turn on your other moon to status ursa. And like the video says. You lose STAB ground bonus. (And also knock off ruining the entire mons purpose)
@Castersvarog2 ай бұрын
@@sewerdork6183 Also, alot of these mons also lose out on some pretty good abilities such as Duraladon, Bisharp, Girafarig, Dipplin and White stripe Baculin, and those abilities are the biggest benefits they have.
@BramLastname2 ай бұрын
It's still weird that Qwillfish and Overqwill don't get access to the Aftermath Ability, Since they're supposed to be bombs.
@XxDigitalDaftPunkxX17 күн бұрын
They're supposed to be pufferfish.
@BramLastname17 күн бұрын
@@XxDigitalDaftPunkxX they are also sea mines
@pokeinator78342 ай бұрын
“With ursaluna,kingambit and annhilape being the best” Archaludon being in Ubers:
@Yuri-dk6kd2 ай бұрын
ursaluna bloodmoon too
@s4mzdagod2 ай бұрын
@@Yuri-dk6kdtechnically no evolution line
@fsgdevil79592 ай бұрын
I was thinking that, but In a comment he said he was talking about vgc
@breadeater11942 ай бұрын
@@fsgdevil7959 Okay but that's even more notable because Archaludon is definitely better than Annihilape, and maybe even Kingambit in VGC. The closest thing to a new evolution with more usage than it is Bloodmoon.
@samamies882 ай бұрын
according pikalytics Arch only has 7% pickrate. Meanwhile Bloodmoon has 13% and Firagiraf whopping 16% being 12th most picked pokemon in current vgc format. Annihilape has under 3% pickrate.
@matigamer3292 ай бұрын
Power creep and Knock Off are probably the main reasons. Also Hydrapple does get used. It's on the UU tier in Smogon and Archaludon is now Uber.
@buchinyan10192 ай бұрын
VGC, not smogon 😭
@MrK-bw5oh2 ай бұрын
Its in UU but its extremely reliant on tera to function due to its godawful typing. It doesnt matter that Sandy Shocks is an excellent switchin when it can tera ice and obliterate it. Doesnt matter that it x4 resists water cuz they can all pull out ice spinners/ice beams for it. Yes it has amazing stats, moveset and ability... its just a case where its typing holds it back soooo bad... But after you tera youre golden, nasty plot hydrapple is scary.
@varsik289Ай бұрын
But you forget that smogon is very small minority though comparing to VGC or even those individuals just playing singles on their switch
@buchinyan1019Ай бұрын
@@varsik289 no, this is not even true. Smogon has a larger player base because: 1. It has existed longer than VGC 2. You don’t need to spend a lot of time breeding and building competitive pokemon since ev spreads are a lot more complex and ivs can’t always be maxed Also switch singles is vastly different from smogon so why are you you bringing it up that it is the same
@justdominik981227 күн бұрын
The title legit says VGC 💀
@fe_three_rosses2 ай бұрын
Eviolite Dipplin was what saved me from my friend's Zekrom in a random battle. it was at +1 from Dragon Dance and clicked Outrage, and the little apple took barely over 70% when i was expecting it to just fall over and die instantly. i was ragging on it since i got it also in our previous battle and it was very very bad, but since then i have gained a lot of respect for it
@freddyP3002 ай бұрын
Eviolite Pokémon tend to be better in randoms cause since they aren’t fully evolved they are at higher levels too! Quilfish, Dipllin, dunsparce and Ursaring can all be good!
@chrisrozier31232 ай бұрын
Dipplin is a menace. Low tier but it doesn't mean its a badly designed pokemon. Blunder uploaded a dipplin video a few weeks ago I recommend
@lesqueegee2 ай бұрын
@@chrisrozier3123seeing dipplin wall terrakion was very humbling
@5904882 ай бұрын
"Cross gen dont lose speed challenge" impossible difficulty
@conansglasses2645Ай бұрын
Imported Cheese? 👀
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
inner focus on a ghost type with defiant is CRAZY, actually wasted potential by not giving anger point
@breadeater11942 ай бұрын
funniest nerf
@ultimatewinfestation71942 ай бұрын
It was probably for balance reasons because Annialiape is a lot bulkier than Primeape, although Annialiape was still OP in Singles
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
@@ultimatewinfestation7194 no it wasn't. There is almost zero reason to run anger point over defiant, but the option of ager point being there would've been cool
@plutigvid2 ай бұрын
Crazy? I don't think it's good considering the other ability is defiant, so it's better then immune to intimidate, but there are other moves that flinch besides fake out lol.
@LightningStrike072 ай бұрын
Annihilape is so angry that it overflowed back to calm
@lordinfernape47532 ай бұрын
Bisharp losing Knock Off is a shame
@Petsinwinter22 ай бұрын
To be fair to all the base Pokémon, *none* of Basculin, Dunsparce, Duraludon, Girafarig, Qwilfish, or Stantler are allowed in Little Cup
@petrie911Ай бұрын
Is LC Ubers a thing? Sounds like an amusing time.
@lishark843Ай бұрын
@@petrie911 "LC Ubers" and is just full creatures with cross gen evolutions
@GeorgeDCowley20 күн бұрын
@@lishark843 And Type: Null.
@aprinnyonbreak12906 күн бұрын
@@petrie911 Mostly just like, Prankster Murkrow and Sneasel. At least historically it was more like Gen 1 ubers than modern ubers. Basically the same as the lower tier, plus the big centralizing things kicked out, rather than being a radically different tier. No idea how it's been for Gen 9 though.
@JioVega2 ай бұрын
Eviolite/Early Bird Girraffarig with psychic, rest, reflect and calm mind rarely let me down in scarlet. Bro felt like a mewtwo
@GenericmugАй бұрын
dark type:
@ryanhacker5259Ай бұрын
@@Genericmug Dark urshifu critting through reflect:
@user-qn5zf5iv9p2 ай бұрын
It suprises me that Ursaring doesn't have any niche in Singles PU, would've thought rest sleep + talk with guts would be nice
@user-lh7mt7zo7l15 күн бұрын
Surprises
@Larszard11 күн бұрын
I can tell you it's pretty nice in Random Battles with that set
@mme.veronica7359 күн бұрын
Why would guts and sleep talk be useful at all? Guts only works with poison, paralyse, and burn, no?
@stefperb95316 күн бұрын
@@mme.veronica735guts activates with any status, sleep included
@ElenaPog2 ай бұрын
If this is about gen 9 OU then yes none of these have been well utilised in OU, but they were under utilised before their evolutions anyways and eviolite is not a big enough bump to use them in OU, never mind to use them over their counterpart. Electroshot is a very large reason why Archaludon was just banned, since it makes it a very threatening rain abuser. In their respective tiers however, H-Quilfish sees more usage than Overquil at least as a defensive spike setter, as for a few other Pokemon who very much use eviolite in their own tiers or have even rose a tier because of eviolite. If this is talking about VGC, then eviolite mons are quite hard to argue in VGC as most NFE Pokemon struggle with damage as well as survivability thus eviolite doesn’t solve the issue of not doing much on the board, this is why eviolite is only really used on defensive supports such as murkrow or clefairy. Interesting, in a Japanese tournament (I don’t remember if it was a local or not) a player did in fact run eviolite stantler for support so, although limited, eviolite stantler has been used and I believe used more than Wydeer
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is more of a VGC focused video, but I still feel many of the same reasons as to why these mons didn't work applies to singles as well
@eeveewithcoffee95542 ай бұрын
@@x_bell1142did you miss WolfyVGC’s video of him getting rank one with dipplin?
@a_rat_named_mouse2 ай бұрын
@@eeveewithcoffee9554 As someone who has climbed to the top spot of OU with things like AV Goodra, Choice Specs Jolteon and even Choice Band Flareon- people generally don't bother with things that aren't meta or at least meta-adjacent. Running Doom Desire on a Jirachi offensive support? People look at you like you're insane despite the fact that it would one-shot Mega Tyranitar and leave craters in whatever didn't resist it. Shadow Sneak on Mega Gardevoir? Sounds stupid until you win the game because their Focus Sash revenge killer finds themselves outsped by a 0 Speed investment Hyper Voice machine. And that's OU picks, they freak out even harder and act even more smug if you dare use anything from UU, nevermind RU like Goodra was.
@turtle_7777Ай бұрын
@@a_rat_named_mousetrue but the vgc mega is generally much smaller (as in the range of power is larger, forcing you to save teamslots for specific threats). Therefore it'd be a lot easier to branch off in ou than vgc Also what does choice band flareon do that nothing else can do 😭😭
@SatarackАй бұрын
Too bad regular Quilfish can't use eviolite, because Water/Poison is a really good defensive typing.
@francescod20182 ай бұрын
You explain well the evolutions but don’t really provide solid explanations as to why eviolite does not work on any of these Pokémon…I think you’re missing the whole point of the video here
@MickiMoller2 ай бұрын
I noticed the same thing. I can see the stats just fine.
@christiancinnabars14022 ай бұрын
All of the points are basically focused on "the benefits these evolutions provide are overall better than a 1.5x defense boost," with a couple of the points also including how the mon would want to use an item for a strategy that it just can't have if it runs Eviolite. You most likely already know what Eviolite does, so... _that's_ the point of the video.
@zzeroara95112 ай бұрын
i think you're deaf
@zzeroara95112 ай бұрын
@christiancinnabars1402 that's what I'm saying....do these people have no intuition???
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
Looking back at the video, I do agree that I could have gone in a little more depth. I plan on making a follow up to this video that analyzes the best eviolite users, which will be more in depth. Thanks for the feedback!
@nishant92892 ай бұрын
I now want Arbok with an evolution. With Eviolite, Glare and Intimidate will definitely help it to rise from PU/untiered.
@KLIXORthe2 ай бұрын
Eviolite Stantler is definitely worth using. Stantler has the unique combo of skill swap + indimidate, which, in doubles, can allow you to activate your own competetive mons ability and Adrenaline orb, while also removing an opponents ability. You could also swap the ability into your own Regigigas to get slow start off of it, while also making intimidate activate twice. Intimidate can also compound with eviolite to make stantler able to take even more physical damage. Ursarang, with eviolite and guts activation support, could also be quite strong as a facade user. It also gets helping hand, yawn, and taunt, which all have good utility in doubles. Dunsparce can also agility up and spam serene grace rock slides much more safely with eviolite. Eviolite strengthens use cases for several of these mons. There's nothing fundamentally keeping them from making good use of eviolite, contrary to what the video's title suggests.
@unamuseddeathgod51282 ай бұрын
I'd argue hisuian qwilfish doesn't belong in this list because holding eviolite it is often considered better than it's evo, despite both being trash So it's not really unsuccessful as an eviolite mon, it's unsuccessful in general
@SocialistStrike18 күн бұрын
It's pretty cool that these 10 families pretty much fit neatly into a block, so long as other regional forms aren't displayed.
@alathreon83152 ай бұрын
"Elecrochoc isn't a factor because it's not a stab move". It just got ban because of this move.
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is a VGC focused list, and electro shot isn't really the main reason that Archaludon is good, it's the stamina ability
@varsik289Ай бұрын
A ban on an unofficial format that most dont play... Also, what part of VGC you did not read on the title??
@alathreon8315Ай бұрын
@@varsik289 I agree that it's a VGC list, but still And what do you mean, most don't play OU ?
@user-lh7mt7zo7l15 күн бұрын
@@alathreon8315 Most people play the actual game on switch and at tournaments.
@Derevocsidi2 ай бұрын
My favourite eviolite Pokemon is galarian Corsola , it can destroy a lot of mons in nat dex OU. Ofc Knock off is a great counter but still the will-o-wisp , strength sap , calm mind , Hex set is just great...
@rossthemoss68272 ай бұрын
I remember gen 8 everyone was running that thing at one point, it fell off hard as it’s pretty niche but I will always out respect to it.
@GhostbusterPalu2 ай бұрын
I agree with everything in the video EXCEPT for not sayin Archaludon is one of the strongest mons of this bunch; this thing got banned from OU for being broken in rain!
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is mostly a doubles (VGC) focused video, so I didn't even know that it got banned from OU! It is certainly very strong you are correct
@mandalorianhunter12 ай бұрын
@@x_bell1142that's the problem, more mons are viable in singles due to different tiers then VGC. Like seriously dude most people would figure this out
@abscinding2 ай бұрын
@@mandalorianhunter1it really is not that deep little guy.
@mandalorianhunter12 ай бұрын
@@abscinding such shallow words little guy
@yorimotominamoto30622 ай бұрын
@@mandalorianhunter1The entire point of. This video is discussing them in a VGC context. Why would you expect anything singles related?
@IWestrada2 ай бұрын
Really has a lot to do with being weak to knock off and unable to run boots which are both dealbreakers for defensive teams.
@bigmonke33482 ай бұрын
Most of these dont need heavy duty boots
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
@@bigmonke3348 Every Mon in SV OU runs boost lmao
@IWestrada2 ай бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling Yeah, I haven't played a game where spikes and rocks didn't go up. 😂
@jakejake1111220 күн бұрын
@@IWestrada this vid about vgc, entry hazards are practically non existant
@user-lh7mt7zo7l15 күн бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling This is about the actual game not the fan made scene
@varuhash502 ай бұрын
I used Dipplin pre-Hydrapple, and man its stupidly bulky. Max SpDef and minimal HP investment lets it survive a Specs max SpAt Moonblast from Flutter Mane, and anything other than Chien Pao bounced off it with ease. My only complaint is that it doesnt have the tools to be super effective in Doubles, especially Rage Powder or Follow Me, because whatever my team couldnt take my Dipplin could quite well. Really thats its only problem, and Hydrapple would definitely benefit from redirection as well
@chrisrozier31232 ай бұрын
Also Supersweet Syrup only activating once per battle. Like it would be broken or something. Very good sure but not broken by any means
@varuhash502 ай бұрын
@@chrisrozier3123 Being able to consistently land near-100% accurate Hypnosis would probably be pretty scary, but on its own Dipplin only really cares about Syrup Bomb and Draco Meteor
@qwert10432 ай бұрын
Strangely enough, Stantler actually got top 8 at Japanese nationals last year. Though it was a best of one closed team sheet format (a different ruleset from the rest of the vgc circuit), it still had a niche with eviolite. Pretty cool
@sagacious032 ай бұрын
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@cbuttyvgc2 ай бұрын
One thing to note is that Eviolite Stantler got top 8 at the 2023 Japanese nationals in vgc
@fimmm_2 ай бұрын
a lot of people were running eviolite stantler since it gets tricky room imprison and STAB tera blast, it can even skill swap intimidate to give a defiant/competitive boost to an ally
@fimmm_2 ай бұрын
also its really crazy how none of the comments are about vgc lol
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
Electro IS a stab move…kinda +1 attack non-stab move is the same as just a stab move since both are 50% boost And since e shot always boost before it attacks it’s effectively a 3rd stab that also makes all your other moves stronger
@varsik289Ай бұрын
No its not... No such thing as "kinda"... Its either yes or no, and in this case, its not...
@OctopussInPants10min2 ай бұрын
In VGC Draft, Ursaring wasn't a regular for my team, but they came often enough and were a menace when brought! They were in the running for best B-Tier of the season (a spot they had to compete for with another of my Pokémon, which no doubt hurt their stats)
@ConFault2 ай бұрын
Dunsparce. Thats the comment.
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
Dunsparce.
@justsomeguy282 ай бұрын
Dunsparce?
@PKMN6492 ай бұрын
The main issue is that Eviolite doesn't give a significant enough boost that isn't outshined by the increased bulk of its users' evolutions. Only a handful of Pokemon have made use of the item with the only notable user being Chansey in gen 5 and 6 after which the item was never seen in OU again outside of meme teams. Incidentally about Archulodon Electro Shot was actually one of the reasons it got banned ultimately. Cause paired with Pelipper's Drizzle this allowed it to be a tank and a wall breaker and a phaser all at the same time because it was boosting SpAtk every turn in Rain or throwing would be "checks" back into their Pokeball with Dragon Tail. It was such an obnoxious Pokemon. Loved using it.
@chuchuchuchia2 ай бұрын
I freaking love eviolite, it's my favorite item
@Joeyisagonnawin2 ай бұрын
I think it's best explained by Magneton and Magnezone. Losing speed and gaining damage bulk is more valuable than keeping speed and having situational bulk. Magneton does not have the utility to take advantage of the bulk. It's a purely offensive Mon that would better take advantage of Scarf than faux-bulk.
@ethandowler46692 ай бұрын
I've been trying Eviolite Magneton on Pokemon Showdown recently, and I've decided to switch him out for this reason haha Another member of my team, however, has made GREAT use of Eviolite: Slowbro!
@kennethaninon69132 ай бұрын
@@ethandowler4669 Slowbro is a fully evolved Pokemon, Eviolite wouldn't work on it
@ethandowler46692 ай бұрын
@@kennethaninon6913 Can't it evolve into Slowking?
@ethandowler46692 ай бұрын
@@kennethaninon6913 I just checked - and NO, it evolves from Slowpoke 😭 I'm an idiot 🙃
@kennethaninon69132 ай бұрын
@@ethandowler4669 Slowpoke can be an Eviolite user
@Beegsire2 ай бұрын
Missing out on Electro Shot is absolutely a big deal, seeing as it's kinda, you know. It's best move.
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is a VGC focused list, so gaining the stamina ability is more of a factor than electro shot. I do agree that electro shot in singles is really valuable though
@Beegsire2 ай бұрын
@x_bell1142 I play Doubles and still find it to be it's best move lol. But yeah it and Stamina make it better than its Pre Evo I think
@irenemurphy11102 ай бұрын
I believe this video boils down to one singular point, if they use eviolite in their respective tiers or not, if not, then it's failed.
@TheFakeTeo2 ай бұрын
I think I’ll be your one thousandth subscriber
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@mintx17202 ай бұрын
Depends on where they are used, 6v6 singles has too many spikes and knock for eviolite to be consistent. If there is a spike immune one we can talk. Eviolite can be good in VGC though but that usually depends on what you are trying to survive with an eviolite, as shown with the success of Dusclops and Porygon2. I would imagine eviolite bisharp/duraludon would be excellent in gen 8 VGC if they existed back then.
@salamandre6926 күн бұрын
Hello, nice video ! Can anyone please tell me the song used ?
@PokeMadness19962 ай бұрын
Did people actually try them or are people making assumptions
@Aiden_Revenant2 ай бұрын
I think the thing with eviolite users is that, while they can be great in singles, in doubles they need somthing else to shine than being hella bulky. Clefairy is good for vgc because of follow me, dusclops due to being a trick room setter and i don't know if chansey is (or was at any point) relevant in vgc, but if I have to guess, i would say she would be a cleric with wish and heal pulse.
@mukatte4755Ай бұрын
Chansey was only used with Shuckle and Minimize and it was more gimmicke than anything
@bigmonke33482 ай бұрын
They could always give bisharp knock off and have it lose it when it evolves into kingambit getting replaced by kowtwo cleave. Also wyrdeer was a lost opportunity to be the opposite of farigiraf, shouldve keept the speed it used to have and have super highe special attack considering it looks like an old wizard. At the very least they shouldve gave it fur coat, it makes sense on it.
@Mr._Milou2 ай бұрын
I really like using Dipplin online. I play singles, and I play it mixed defense with sticky hold to avoid knock off, and I use infestation, syrup bomb and recover to stall, with tera steel. I really like the lil guy :)
@bigj83462 ай бұрын
Dipplin is a great phy def wall with sticky hold in PU one of the only answers to choice band emboar when it was still legal.
@cultofmel28 күн бұрын
Electro Shot is the sole reason Archaludon was banned to Ubers. In the rain, it charges automatically while still giving the special attack boost.
@benjaminsurrette30342 ай бұрын
i used qwilfish but in a play through so it’s not the same. it gets acupressure & swords dance so it was fun to mess around with
@shawverno.11302 ай бұрын
Well *CLEARLY* someone’s never played randbats (/j)
@mikesmith-gk6fy6 күн бұрын
Can someone tell me if hydrapple has any viability on stall teams as a regenerator pivot in PS?
@realsanmer2 ай бұрын
Hot take: Kingambit ruined Bisharp's line, in the sense that its design comes across as goofy and edgy instead of cool, like Bisharp
@florantlover55542 ай бұрын
That take is so aggressively ass. (Sorry) If kingambit isn't cool to you, it's because you prob raged at it 1 too many times.
@r2dk5942 ай бұрын
Tbh it really didn’t. I mean it made logical sense. A pawn > bishop > king. And I think we could/should have a queen evo for a female bisharp
@shinysamurott613Ай бұрын
It is a little goofy, and me starting in Gen 5, it is weird to think of Bisharp as a middle evo, but idk Kingambit has kinda grown on me.
@varsik289Ай бұрын
@@r2dk594 Considering female bisharps alredy evolve to Kimgambit, not going to happen... They should have came up with the idea before, now too late
@skeletongregg53521 күн бұрын
Male Kirlia evolve into Gardevoir yet Gallade exists
@c.s.joethedragon13112 ай бұрын
Hey, rest sleep talk eviolite ursaring is a threat.
@epicraptorman2 ай бұрын
Imagine Stantler/Wyrdeer if they kept the move Lunge and got Body Press (pairs nicely with Psyshield Bash).
@mahaffeyYT2 ай бұрын
Love the video!
@murdercityman2 ай бұрын
Magneton with it is awesome.
@realsalu6342 ай бұрын
Tbh, is Eviolite even being used anymore? Like, with stall being almost dead, its very hard to use it
@mothmyszalgo2 ай бұрын
P2 is still relevant surprisingly unsurprisingly
@bigmonke33482 ай бұрын
p2 is used allright probably cause it can hit hard and it only has one weakness. Dusclops completely fell off compared to swsh where it was everywhere
@elijones10072 ай бұрын
Dusclops
@JakeSPuwuowo6910 күн бұрын
Murkrow.
@SamsungorАй бұрын
Okay but are the NFEs better now with eviolite as an option.
@yourconscious2 ай бұрын
I would say the benchmark for a good eviolite pokemon is if it's banned from NFE. Of the 10 mons being discussed, 7 of them are considered to be too strong for NFE. They may not be OU, but they've beaten the expectations of a middle stage
@TheRealLifeNuzlocke2 ай бұрын
I just dont think a defensive only buff would ever be good in doubles. Some of these guys are quite good in singles and especially in draft. Primeape is very good low tier and a strong tera captain in draft. Diplin is also very good. Bisharp will always be a threat in any format even withput the eviolite.
@typhlosion78722 ай бұрын
I think a ton of it has to do with the fact that VGC is a much more offensive meta compared to singles where many of these pokemon have solid roles, even if many are only able to successfully fulfill these roles in lower tiers. The VGC metagame being so much faster and the ability to attack the same pokemon twice within the same turn makes defensive utility from Eviolite generally much less viable than it is in the much slower and bulky singles metagames across the several tiers
@juniorrios64282 ай бұрын
Well, i like using bisharp in nat dex ou and its pretty good
@sheeplol21612 ай бұрын
havent watched yet but arent bisharp primeape duraludon and qwilfish good eviolite users in their tier?
@ElenaPog2 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure this is from an OU perspective, but none of these mons have been viable in OU this gen from what I know so. Idk
@sheeplol21612 ай бұрын
@@ElenaPog then it isnt fair to say theese mons failed when compared to mons with a significantly higher power level
@ElenaPog2 ай бұрын
@@sheeplol2161 yeah I do agree with you, a lot of these mons have had good usage of eviolite in their respective tier
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is more of a VGC doubles oriented video, so yes those four have had use in their tiers for singles
@JakeSPuwuowo6910 күн бұрын
Despite Stamina being nuts on Arch, I'm still kinda surprised Stalwart Eviolite Dura never made a breakthrough. In all honesty, I could see that being a contender in a future generation should the right meta align. It's not impossible to imagine a VGC where you really want to ignore Amoongus or Follow Me users, and at the same time you just want upfront bulk. Not saying it will happen, but I could see it as a potential some day/year.
@InsaneGarrison252 ай бұрын
Electro Shot is notable as its a better Meteor Beam when used in Rain
@Omar_ZX2 ай бұрын
I remember using hisuian qwilfish against some friends and investing fully in hp def and spdef and just being a worse pory 2 and they f- ing hated me after, at least it can be used for some. Fun
@baalfgames53182 ай бұрын
"The loss on speed doesn't hurt this monstet much." Take that, speed-fans.
@vincentorlando15772 ай бұрын
The only one of them that get reliable recovery are primeape with drain punch but that’s niche and I think dunsparce gets roost. In short it doesn’t matter if you can take a couple more hits if your capability to do so is limited by no recovery and the inability to hold leftovers
@rossthemoss68272 ай бұрын
The apple also gets good recovery in recover and kinda of Giga drain but I think it kinda suffers from not being able to do too much with its massive defense It basically only has dragon tail to support its team and doesn’t have any good boosting moves stopping it from slowly snowballing, and dragon/grass isn’t too hot of stab options coming of 95 Sp Atk making throwing off attacks not the most effective thing in the world.
@vincentorlando15772 ай бұрын
@@rossthemoss6827 yeah but hydrapple has regenerator plus everything that dipplin has so it’s just better off recovery wise because it can come in at full health take a resisted hit switch out then come back it at full again
@WishedWashАй бұрын
What is the fire music playing in the background here?
@x_bell1142Ай бұрын
This is Wally's theme from omega ruby alpha sapphire!
@chaninakosovske65672 ай бұрын
Really hate how they’ve been powercreeping BST by minmaxing (like low spatt/attack and/or speed)
@florantlover55542 ай бұрын
Yea but I'm tired of mons like honchkrow being mid because they can't decided if they are a phsyciL attacker or special attacker. Aroboliva is a good amount of Min-Max is S/V
@E-102GammaMKII2 ай бұрын
On the Basculin segment, you forgot to mention that _Pokémon Legends: Arceus_ introduced the White-Striped Basculin, which is the only variant that evolves at all, let alone into Basculegion. Red-Striped Basculin and Blue-Striped Basculin were both introduced in _Black/White._
@chuchuchuchia2 ай бұрын
How many eviolite eligible Pokemon get Sticky Hold?
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
Dipplin gets sticky hold!
@onijester562 ай бұрын
To summarize: 1. Most receive a substantial boost to HP, 2. Alongside some boost to one or both of "Defense/Special Defense". Which makes Eviolite's increasing the Defense and Special Defense not have as much impact as just evolving. And when it's not this, 3. The Pokemon is largely viable because of an ability or item, which it can't hold/benefit from if it holds Eviolite instead.
@StarWalker-si4nm2 ай бұрын
Imma make some of these work
@plazmurrАй бұрын
To note, Basculin White striped is the only Basculin with rattled. Red stripe has Reckless and Blue Stripe has Rock Head
@diegoxavier91072 ай бұрын
Electro Shot is very relevant. It's what gives its role on Rain
@monster25man2 ай бұрын
man when I first saw Duraludon was getting an evolution, I was TERRIFIED of the possibility of an Eviolite Duarludon going on a sturdy tear in OU boy was I wrong when I discovered Archaludon had Stamina
@Cuprite10242 ай бұрын
I was surprised to hear Duraludon is a bad Eviolite user. I fully expected it to be a really good one. I can see why it's flawed now tho. (Also, throughout Teal Mask, I gave my Dipplin an Eviolite, simply cause I knew it would be able to evolve but it couldn't yet, and it worked REALLY well for me. Granted, that was just in single-player, but still)
@armorbearer9702Ай бұрын
Interesting, I suspected that eviolite would not provide enough bulk for the pre-evolutions. I had not considered that the pre-evolved Pokémon had abilities that needed specific held items.
@fractalisomega95172 ай бұрын
The main draw for eviolite is for low tier play or draft leagues where an eviolite user can play nearly identical to its evolved form and come at a much cheaper price Rhydon is one I suggest to a friend for their Draft team and it’s been one of their best Pokemon
@christionhenderson8754Ай бұрын
Wolf did get to rank 1 with Dipplin I also had some success with it ability stick hold
@Interiorcrocodilealigator108382 ай бұрын
I often use primeape and bisharp in OU. Not in SV cuz kinggambit is legal, unlike natdex. Primeape is just gambling. But it’s low HP don mean shite w/ bulk up drainpunch, rage fist ain banned. Can still abuse revival blessing keeping the rage fist count. 4th move could be pursuit or stone edge blunder policy. Bisharp could easily just dump all into bulk. Amazing typing, let’s u click SD more cuz u have less reason to spam sucker w/ no supreme overlord. Feeds off rilla surge, and wish
@paevepailbrack68992 ай бұрын
The reason bisharp isn't a good eviolite user is that it's too busy holding black sludge
@callmecrimson48062 ай бұрын
Eh, id like to say that bisharp eviolite works well enough. It makes it so that even though it's a little weaker, its still faster than a few things allowing it to outspeed without playing the sucker punch mindgames. It also makes it bulkier on the special defence side, which can matter in certain cases. Is it better than gambit? No, but it does have it's place.
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
More then a year later, and people STILL think eviolite bisharp is a thing It’s less bulky, weaker, and it’s not faster enough to matter Play the damn game before talking
@callmecrimson48062 ай бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling I do. Ever play ru?
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
@@callmecrimson4806 So it’s not good is what your saying
@callmecrimson48062 ай бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling and there are some instances where the speed does matter. Put a low hp tortera in front of a gambit, and you play sucker punch games. Put it in front of bisharp, and there's no need for the risk (overgeneralization, but you get the point)
@callmecrimson48062 ай бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling compared to the powercreep? No, there are a lot of mons that were good, but dropped low because of it. (Look at garchomp) but even so it still can be used in higher tiers. Had some success in UU and OU (not much cause I'm kinda bad, but still). It's In no way better than gambit, but it still can hold its weight if you know how ro play with it. Just like a lot of others.
@jobreau1725Ай бұрын
I find that most of your point end up being: well it’s evolution is better. Wich is pretty obvious, but I was hoping for more. Like for bisharp you explain that it preferred to use a different item.
@DJBlackNGold2 ай бұрын
.. Didn't Stantler win a Japanese tournament during s3 though?
@MetalLyncSolid32 ай бұрын
IS THAT COUNT CANNOLI'S THEME IN THE BACKGROUND? IS IT A REMIX? I'M SHOCKED
@mukatte4755Ай бұрын
Wally's theme from ORAS
@antoniopriego56602 ай бұрын
Crazy to make a video and say "it's missing it's signature move Electro shot but it's not a big factor since it doesn't have STAB" a few days after Archaludon being banned from OU because of how broken Electro shot is
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is a VGC doubles focused list, so electro shot is not nearly as big of a factor for Archaludon's success compared to its stamina ability. It is very strong in singles, so I apologize that I didn't make it clear that this was doubles focused.
@Leangreen692 ай бұрын
Title clearly states it’s a VGC video lmaooo “ackchyually it’s banned in OU”
@omegaaklx3032 ай бұрын
Eviolite Bisharp is kinda good in UU. At least i use him.
@PropiaRealidad2 ай бұрын
The thing is eviolite is good for this 2 things: * Defensive pokemon (kind of obvious really) as they benefit from more defense. It is only good though if the defensive boost makes the pokemon considerably bulkier than it's evolution (chansey and dusclops for example). Shuckle is an example of a pokemon that cannot receive an evolution because it will just be pretty much unkillable if you don't have the means to knock the item off, or create an evolution that is so stupid bulky you might as well give it a handicap ability like truant (which won't stop shuckle from being ridiculously bulky). * The pokemon has a potential to fill a defensive niche that it's evolution just cannot because of stats. The prime (and maybe only) example of this would be porygon2, as porygon2 is already a pretty defensive pokemon, meanwhile porygon-z is fully offensive. An example of the opposite enters in roselia, which has (or had) amazing supporting movepool in aromatherapy, toxic, leech seed, sleep powder, etc., and a great defensive ability in natural cure; but roselia is just too frail physically, and it's hp is not high enough to work with it's decent special defense even with eviolite. Cases were eviolite is just bad no matter what: * Offensive pokemon, exactly why scyther does not run eviolite despite having the same BST as scizor: it is an offensive mon that would much rather run choice band/scarf, life orb, or even HDB to deal with stealth rocks. Bisharp, primeape and ursaring being fully offensive mons would never benefit from eviolite. This is a case to illustrate how bulky eviolite shuckle would be (because bored): Modest Palkia with Hydro Pump has a change to OHKO a 252 HP shuckle with no SpDef investment and no "eviolite" boost. 252+ SpA Palkia Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Shuckle: 210-248 (86 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO The same Palkia now is doing ~33% less damage to the same shuckle with the "eviolite" boost. 252+ SpA Palkia Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Shuckle: 140-168 (57.3 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO There is barely any difference really (dead in 2 hydro pumps). Except this shuckle can have contrary and the moves shell smash (with contrary it would now reduce it's attacks and speed and increase it's defenses) + rest. After just one shell smash shuckle would survive 3 hydro pumps from a fully invested modest palkia: 252+ SpA Palkia Hydro Pump vs. +1 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Shuckle: 96-114 (39.3 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO Funnily enough a choice specs fixes this all even with a contrary shell smash up (back to just 2 hits): 252+ SpA Choice Specs Palkia Hydro Pump vs. +1 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Shuckle: 126-150 (51.6 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO This is of course a ridiculous scenario as shuckle clearly has full disadvantage. But despite that can tank 2 to 3 super-effective STAB hits from a pokemon with 150 base SpAtk and 252 investment, and modest nature. While the shuckle has little to no investment in SpDef but the eviolite.
@PKshockwave2 ай бұрын
I think Ursaring and Primeape could work out of the bunch. I play doubles, so a little teammate will-o-wisp for Ursaring and a ghost tera on primeape I think could do wonders. Primeape still has defiant, learns rage fist, and is faster than, its evolved form, so I think with a solid ev spread and a good teammate it could work. Heck, Mausehold beat up pre-tera while also being eviolite boosted, and friend guarded means primeape takes next to nothing while gaining a base 200 rage fist.
@absolutelynot6158 күн бұрын
Now i just need a shuckle evo...
@Mobtrapper-hq8is2 ай бұрын
Surprised to see you didn’t mention Archaladon being the best new evolution in the intro. It’s so good it just got banned either today or yesterday.
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
It is very good, but this is a VGC (doubles) focused list where Archaludon is not nearly as good.
@user-pi3oj5sh5j2 ай бұрын
Are there any currently viable eviolite users? At least in doubles I feel like dusclops and Poryigon 2 have fallen victim to power creep this generation.
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
porygon 2, dusclops sucks because better TR mons exist, it was never good except the few times cress and p2 weren't allowed
@mukatte4755Ай бұрын
Friend Guard Clefairy is viable
@deyanime28712 ай бұрын
I thought tera blast can be physical/special. Took me a while that tera blast is only special then physical when tera. Bulk up ursuraing would of been wild.
@siddhartacrowley87592 ай бұрын
What about rhydon??
@petrie911Ай бұрын
Duraludon needs a prevo so it can be a 3-stage pseudo-legendary like other dragons. Not sure what the baby form of a skyscraper would be, though. Maybe a pyramid or obelisk.
@edgargaebolg9307Ай бұрын
A brick?
@dylandelahaie78002 ай бұрын
what about Chansy though ?
@baddragonite15 күн бұрын
It's so weird that Wyrdeer loses speed considering it's literally the mount you use to get around faster in LA
@morphstarchangeling80242 ай бұрын
Here's something neat. Ursaring learns like 5 special moves at all. That 75 special attack was just wasting up stat points.
@elijones10072 ай бұрын
I really want to try with Gabite or Arctibax
@volbla9 күн бұрын
The fact that most of these evolutions get a _reduction_ in speed and/or special attack goes to show how fucking minmaxed gen 9 is.
@amphareixon2 ай бұрын
"bisharp mostly uses a Focus Sash" Im ngl at which format u are looking at but bisharp has been pretty good in uu early on this gen and its v consistent in RU as well since August, and mostly due to evio, idk what u mean when u say it isnt succesful
@diamonds_realm2 ай бұрын
Feel like he's looking at doubles
@GravityIsFalling2 ай бұрын
VGC
@x_bell11422 ай бұрын
This is a VGC focused list
@amphareixon2 ай бұрын
Ah, makes sense
@Zanzooming2 ай бұрын
Eviolite Duraludon is an exceptional tank. I don't think it deserves this list.
@zinzolin149 күн бұрын
As a casual player who isn't very interested in VGC, I think of the Eviolite mostly as a crutch item for some of your Pokémon to get them by until they're fully evolved.