Why NOT to Shoot a Push Shot Foosball Tutorial (Road to Pro 6)

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[@SisyphusQuit]

My first job 15 was at an arcade on the N side of Chicago. Many hours playing Foos with all the Middle Easterners in the area. Your channel has sparked my love of the game again. time to buy a new table

[@ThisGuyRocksLikeCrazy]

I do push shots all the time. It works for me a lot better than pull ones.

[@golfrrrr]

I agree with everything you said. I am one of those guys that can execute a smash push shot. The key for me is: I use a crank grip (thumb on right side) and I maintain contact with ball all the way until I release my crank. I get more power on the push shot than any other shot for some reason. I love your tutorials. The secret to all shots is the position of the ball in relations to the bar (spray vs cut back and all in between.). Being able to make the shots and have them go where you want is 1 part of the game but getting the ball and picking the right shape shot separates the men from the boys. Keeping your opponent guessing where you are going to go or do is key. Like you teach with the 5 man. Have 2 shots that in pattern look the same, like the wall pass then angle up.

[@layyah0905]

Agreed, the pull shot is the boss. Back when i played in the early 90s, not many had a great pull, although the few that did were legends. I developed an open handed push shot that worked very well in combination with a pull kick. Not pro level but some guys i played against did eventually play on the pro circuit here in South Africa and it worked well against most. But you're 100% correct. Pros will read a push shot eventually.

[@davidsenerchia6999]

Wow I always wondered why my pull was so much more accurate and effective than my push. This makes sense now

[@golfrrrr]

I noticed that Ryan Moore is using the 2 man shot quite a bit with good success. KInda dangerous hitting the ball up the middle but if you know where the alley is. He used it to beat speideman in the winners bracket a few years ago.

[@golfrrrr]

I'm learning the snake shot and am having trouble being able to move the ball very far one way or another. I know the drill you suggested with 3 balls but haven't had a chance to try it. I don't have a table close by but hope to buy one sometime soon. I started on a duechmeister? and got serious on the brown top "million dollar tournament soccer" tables. 1 goalie. Bank shots, over head shots.

[@ianiskandar890]

First of great video and thanks Points are all solid and even though i partner a guy who uses a closed hand push shot to great effect as his secondary( cant deadbar but once defenses reverse alot of other options open up that replace the deadbar option) I agree that the 3 bar push becomes ineffcient past bare minimum expert level. However for the goalie position id rather have a good player able to do more than just a pullshot and lane pass to me as a forward. Push shots can spray in to goal especially if opponent goalies are normal defense against a goalie pull. So far watching expert and pro matches i have seen goalies use pushes push kicks and even pull kicks in their series. And ive seen pros get stuffed sometimes using goalie pullshot the most too! I think the variety is good to have on 2 bar.. So i vote keep the push shot on goalie 2 bar. Lose it on 3 bar. Cheers!

[@ChasePennell]

Ian Iskandar On the two rod, it is good to be able to shoot it, but it isn’t a high % shot in comparison to the pull. If you are going to learn just one shot, I would learn a pull over a push. If you want to shoot a push, you also have to learn a push kick to make it competitive. So now you have to learn two shots and not just one. That is the point I am making.

[@johnekonomou3042]

You make some good points in the video. However, speaking as a player who first played in 1974-75, the reason push shots are not used more often today, besides the difficulty, is that the push shot from the three bar is less "glamourous" than the pull shot, and now, the snake shot (or roll over). The pull shot has always been the shot that generated more excitement than the push shot, even during the heyday of the push shot. And the same thing goes now with the advent of the snake shot, which has replaced the pull shot as the three-bar shot of choice. In addition, when the Dynamo table was dominant (before the Tornado table was even developed), the Dynamo (or even the TS) table surface was a faster surface, as well as use of balls that did not grip as easily. In my opinion, it was, and is, physically easier to shoot a push shot on a Dynamo table than on a Tornado table.

[@ChasePennell]

John Ekonomou on other tables different physics apply. BUT I am 100% correct. The spin from a rollover allows for the force needed to overcome the torque you would need with a closed handed shot. It has nothing to do with if it is glorified or not.

[@ganginwood]

Nice job with the tutorials. I applaud the effort. I have some reservations with this one though. As a push shooter I completely agree that dead bar is not an option. In fact, I often contemplate switching back to a pull for that very reason. However, it warrants the debate...."If you can't get around the dead bar, that means the defense is playing long. If Defense is playing long, there are a lot of other holes open." Is that not correct? With the pull you still have short, middle, long and the brush to middle etc....And if the defense starts playing middle, the inherent tendency of the push shot to spray wide actually helps you get to the long hole quicker. I agree that the push may not be as good as the pull. But there are so many positive attributes of the shot, I think it should remain in the quiver.

[@ChasePennell]

It is and it isn't. Here is the thing. You are basically attempting to cripple yourself by picking a limited shot. You do not have all of the options that you need to win at the top level. Just because you have one long does not mean you do not need a couple versions of a long. But trust me when i say, go back to the pull and stop hurting yourself.

[@blairsalley626]

incredible push shot kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooObgWyFpNSZj9U

[@Klos1neMN]

Also, with any shot, I believe the saying goes that "If you're aiming for deadbar, you're aiming for the wrong hole." So even if you can't hit it deadbar you shouldn't throw it out of the mix. I think that all the same options from a pull set are also there for a push: the straight, middle, long, cutback, the spray, John Wayne, push pull kick, half dink, fake John Wayne to slingshot a la Ryan Moore... I think that because some people haven't explored it and it's been thrown out and never given a fair shake. Push shots are my 2nd tier shot, I don't shoot a pull because it's uncomfortable, awkward, and I can't recoil properly like I can with my push.

[@charlesarp6781]

I have a monster push shot, called "The Blast!"

[@coldfire7897]

I always do push and pull shot, and it works for me.

[@codebluelsj]

Keep calm and stay away from the push!

[@blairsalley626]

watch this and tell me you can't do a push shot kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooObgWyFpNSZj9U

[@crispgm]

It is convincing, since you said about the torque.

[@ZeeZoy303]

Great stuff! I’m a pull shooter and agree with you but do try to keep an open mind. Fast forward a few years and Sullivan Rue is killing it with the push. Does this change your opinion on the shot?

[@ChasePennell]

Not at all. Sullivan is a AWESOME player. Please keep in mind this is call Road To Pro not Road to Expert. The next step up is where things change. I still think she is amazing. But As you will see in time. It can only take you so far.

[@SulibanX]

Hey Chase, I'm a big fan of your videos. Question for you, you explain that to get more power in your shots, you bend the bar towards your front foot. I'm having a bit of trouble with that and it stains the wrist when I try. Could it be because I'm on an Italian table with telescoping arms?

[@ChasePennell]

That is exactly why... What table are you playing on?

[@SulibanX]

@@ChasePennell I'm using a Fabi, which is similar to the Roberto sport

[@danielb4560]

those push shots you did would have scored on me

[@banihachim6825]

I want right That gets the goals to be strong 💪🏾

[@knuterockne5790]

Representing with the Emporium shirt!!! Nice!!

[@ChasePennell]

:-) When i get things i make sure people get their money's worth. :-)

[@Mellow985]

Interesting video, I'm a fan of tutorials that go over the mechanics of the table and body which a lot of foosball youtube tutorials fail to do. Quick question, what's your opinion on a rolling push shot? I used to shoot a snake shot with decent success competitively (I'm ranked low expert) but I got tired of it since I'd rather have a more interesting / different style of play. I've been shooting a pull kick series with decent success in DYPs and I'm looking to add some options, hence the rolling push. I like it since I can push shot or pull kick out of the rolling push series so I have a lot of options and I get to keep an "unorthodox" style. Of course, the physics of the push shot stays a limitation, but the rolling series opens up a lot of options (pull kick, tic tac, etc), which I think helps offset the flaws of the push shot.

[@ChasePennell]

I would say that due to the limitation you will find a hard time being very consistent. But hey trying something new is always fun! :-)

[@Stellarffxi]

While I agree with your assessment, I think the real reason you don't see any push shots is because it's not a popular shot.. you almost never even see pull shots anymore unfortunately... realistically if you're shooting at a dear bar hole, then you took the low percentage shot and there was a larger hole open elsewhere.. IE.. dear bar shot is not at all necessary.. though it is a nice skill to have.. I think a good push shooter could be pretty successful if they were attempted more off the 3 bar... look at push kicks.. for some reason they're probably more popular than pull kicks and don't the same physics apply? (I'm actually not sure)

[@Stellarffxi]

I mean dont the same physics apply to push kicks as push shots for the most part...

[@Stellarffxi]

also.. aside from torque on the rod, the push motion is easier than the pull motion and the pull shot requires a pushing motion for the recoil in order to hit a dear bar.. where the push shot requires you to end pulling the rod..

[@Stellarffxi]

one more thing! lol... it was much easier for me to learn a push and push kick than a dead pull from 2 bar.. but perhaps I'm an exception..

[@DonCato96]

i have to disagree with the popularity thing. Or atleast where i play, almost everyone started with the push back in time, then we slowly transfered to the pull / other shots

[@ethanwahle8646]

No offense but it seems your statements are a little biased, it is true that it's not as easy to get so much force but it still is obtainable with enough practice, though I do not play in the official foosball league I have been playing for 8 or 9 years with the push and is just fine. What I find helps with the push is you sway your body in motion with the shot, not enough to be a distraction but just enough to give a slight whip feeling to your arm. I typically play goalie and shoot the push to the far wall and square it off. Though it may be challenging it's not impossible. Plus body positioning isn't that big of an issue in doubles and all I do when transitioning from a pull to a push is stand closer to the table put my right foot a little more forward than it was but still keeping left foot in front and mainly use my wrist to square it off and my arm for the speed by having my wrist start at a 90 degree angle and letting my arm move and having the wrist snap the ball. essentially making it feel like you whipping the ball helping increase speed and accuracy if your able to square it off. My name is Ethan and though I may not be high in rankings I would like to hear a response back :)

[@ChasePennell]

Here is the thing. To compete at a high level in tournaments you do have to let that shot go. It does not have the same speed or power behind it as a pull shot can because of physics. You cannot flex the rod in a way to get the same power. I am not sure where you play or who you play against. But anything above a Rookie or Am Level the shot becomes useless. Truly the physics of how to get power from a shot are not available when you shoot a push. A pull shot you have the flex in the rod that gives you WAY more power than you can get when shooting a push. You become more limited when shooting a push. At the end of the day physics are against you.

[@brycewooldridge7354]

As a top push shooter (on the three bar) I figure I'll give my opinion. A square close handed push shot has no advantage over a pull shot. It is much more difficult to learn than a pull shot and from the two bar you can simply shoot the push kick and hit the same holes. The push is best when sprayed from the two rod as it is natural and good zones block most square push shots. On the three rod I've that found an open handed push shot can be used as a legitimate series. The main drawback is it takes a very long time to master the middle and long. I learned a tournament level pull shot (just the execution not the reads) in about two weeks. It has taken me years to get a consistent tournament level push shot. The thing that makes the open variant better is the speed and power. It allows you to square the long (not dead bar) at top speed.

[@hallboy824594]

MindSet Foosball if you can hit straight mid and long it's just as good as a pull.

[@blairsalley626]

Watch this and explain how this guy's able to do it kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooObgWyFpNSZj9U

[@ricotico5950]

In our city there's only one unbeatable guy and he has the best unprotectable shot - that is long and blitz-fast push shot. Not snake... he has just perfected the push shot. It is his turn-to shot when things go bad. And he is shooting this from defense too. The grip and the stance is irrelevant to him. He reclines on top of the table, head on the middle of the playing field and waits for the hole to appear and the hand-quickness cannot be unmatched. I have won everybody in my country by far, but when he appears and has some trouble, he just sneers and beats me with the push shot.

[@ChasePennell]

I hear this type of story all the time. You put a guy like that against a top pro, and they cannot score....

[@sebastiansimonofficial]

Sullivan Rue has entered the chat

[@ChasePennell]

Want 50 metric tons of Irony?? I am playing goal for her at the World Championships!

[@TheBlubby77]

Nice Video! What´s your opinion on the push- and pullside executing a snakeshot? Most players with a good Jet tell me the pushside is much easier for them. (On Euro-Tables)

[@ChasePennell]

A Rollover or Snake shot is a little different. The main reason is how the power for the shot is created. It is not a wrist shot so it does not use the same physics.

[@Stellarffxi]

pLaG83 pull side rollover is easier for 80%+ of players... total guess but that seems accurate in my experience.. lol.

[@ChasePennell]

It is a fair amount more natural for people to learn the pull side. the push can be harder for many.

[@lifeisgood3589]

Crazy. I have a fantastic pull and i love shooting strait, one dot to middle to open the long. My push side with a rollover is fast and i can hit it dead bar most of the time. Although i have got better with the pull side its still such a struggle for me so i usually just leave it alone and go back to a pull shot. I would love to have this fixed before the Worlds in 3 weeks lol

[@AzNightmare]

*For whatever reason, literally any shot, push side has always been more easier and comfortable for me to execute.*

[@banihachim6825]

Mann my right hand so weakkk and my left sooo strong , i hate that

[@torreygrossman888]

Don't tell me what I don't want to hear! lol

[@musolini2901]

Many great videos, I have learned quite a lot, I am kicking *ss in my company with your advices ! :) Can you please tell me, what kind of balls do you use? I would like to order those from ebay

[@ChasePennell]

It depends on what table you have. If you have a Tornado Table you want to get the Tornado ball. If you have another table you want to get the ball that is designed for that table. Let me know. Thanks! (Foosball.com is a good place to get product.)

[@martingrimes1215]

I dig your videos but I disagree with this one. You left out half of the options that keep a goalee guessing. I personally have a harder time blocking a good push kick than any other shor.

[@ChasePennell]

Martin Grimes I can see what people struggle, but it isn’t because the shot is good. It is because you are not used to it. The point of this video is to illustrate why the shot is inferior to a pull and to not waste your learning the shot when you can prioritize practicing on what will make you a better player.

[@martingrimes1215]

Lee Murray in Dallas comes to mind. He could bank it off the wall into the corner of the goal. He also utilized changing up his speed on his angles (except for the long angle because that's a non existant shot. Back then I was not great, but I was pretty good. Murray and Mouth both abused me with their push kicks. I understand your point and love the vids. A push kick shooter that doesn't hit dink angles are not using the shot correctly. Maybe it's PTSD of getting mentally broken down in the chess match that is foosball that makes me think twice.

[@manuelevaro5093]

Martin, he's talking about a push shot not a push kick.

[@supernerd1730]

This is total BS I see more people now then ever shooting a push shot! Terry Rue’s daughter is killing it with a push shot not to mention others. Your video is completely merit less. Just because you can’t shoot it doesn’t mean that it’s not a viable shot.

[@ChasePennell]

The series is called Road To Pro.... Not Road to Expert, or Road to Womens Open Champion.... But hey think whatever you want.

[@Robloxandmincratplayer]

I completely disagree.

[@ChasePennell]

Do you play on tour?

[@JimHancock]

Looking at your form, your wrist snap isn't square.... you are pulling back even when you are pushing..... there is no reason at all to bend the rods when you shoot... let me qualify myself, I played obsessively at home and bars and tournaments in the 70s.... this was before video games existed, foosball was the game that everybody played, my push shot is faster then you can see and so is my pull shot.. if you don't telegraph your shot... and it's a game of quickdraw, it is impossible to block either... by the time the goalie realizes you have started your shot, it is in the hole before his brain can even send the signal to his hands to move, that is why a constant on the move goalie is the only defense.. if any fake is going to work, you have to shoot it for real first to rattle the goalie, then your fakes work... that all being said, for most people a pull shot is faster, not because of torque, a jerk is faster then a pushing motion. But either way if it's a straight up game of quick draw, both are way faster then a goalie can react... it's good to have plenty of variety, but if push comes to shove.... so to speak, use the shot that you hit more often...

[@ChasePennell]

Guess as a current pro on tour, I will just have to disagree. :-)

[@JimHancock]

@@ChasePennell whatever works for you is cool, because ever player is different... built different, left handed vs. right handed , right eyed versus left eyed... for you a push shot isn't your strongest shot... but to tell "up and comers" regardless of their particulars that they shouldn't use a push shot. Is bad advice, I have seen great players with unusual form.....and go with your shot that hits the most... btw, when you get away from the game, the skill that fades quickest is passing.... Good luck with your endeavors and the tour.. it is a great game.. I would love to see it come back with the popularity it once had..

[@ChasePennell]

@@JimHancock I would disagree. No one in the history of the sport has EVER won OS shooting a Push Shot exclusively….. keep in mind the word ever…. The physics of the shot do not allow for it. I know you think you are correct on this, but physics and history prove you wrong. To keep new players from learning something that they would be wasting their time on is the point of this video. Learning a shot that can actually take them far in this game would be significantly better for their game.

[@sebastianmechelke9132]

Hi chase, what is your opinion on this video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6uQcqd6dpWinJY There, the 2bar push seems to be a valid option even against Tony spredeman. Thomas scores even better against other pros

[@strahinja1107]

All I see on high level matches are snake shots. Every point is almost same, boring af.

[@blairsalley626]

I disagree with you on the shot. I saw a video where a guy is blasting the push all the way to the long and it's straight. It doesn't look like you could race it either. I'll see if I can find the link and post it. It would be interesting to get your opinion on it.

[@ChasePennell]

Blair Salley He may have a good one. But all push shooters have massive weaknesses. No push shooter EVER has won a major. Think about that.

[@blairsalley626]

True I can agree with that. In your video you say that it cant be done effectively to the long side, but after seeing this I would have to say it can be done. Understandably its all subject to interpretation. But you say the physics don't permit it and this video clearly shows it can be done. IMO

[@blairsalley626]

Not picking a fight either, just a spirited debate on the subject ; )

[@ChasePennell]

Blair Salley my guess is that it is open handed. Which allows for it. But that has tells. But you have to keep in mind. The point of these videos is to get people better and moving toward a pro level. Players cannot get there using a push shot

[@limelight2120]

Fair enough, appreciate the feedback

[@XxKegKingxX]

i see you are just limited to your own mechanics... only thing that was relative was a dead bar push... but it is not really even necessary... the physics are on the person and there knowledge of mechanics and how to execute. Even when i do a pull dead bar i dont need a recoil but in the end all the same options are available. But to your own mechanics you are correct especially if you strongest option is a dead bar pull/push

[@mrzoonix6368]

Or maybe your push-shots suck. Even I, an amateur, can do a push shot better than that. Mix up your shots. Sure, do more pull shots, but mix it with a once in a while push shot.

[@ChasePennell]

Keep in mind, i am specifically talking about becoming a PRO. Not a rookie or an Am.... A pro! The push shot has major limitations at the higher levels...