Why NYC is Building Elevated Trains Again

[@jstantongood5474]

this is excellent man !! thank you for your research and precision. Like a true historian.

[@BMTEnjoyer160]

YOO face reveal.

[@noahnorman6877]

This may be the best JTA video yet, it feels like I’m watching a documentary from Smithsonian or National Geographic with the music, interviews (we got a surprising face reveal) and everything.

[@jointransitassociation]

Thanks!

[@qiaowani]

As a person who used to live in NYC but now lives in the Miami suburbs, honestly elevateds are pretty cool. And nice face reveal!

[@robertewalt7789]

But they ruin the street environment below.

[@hhvictor2462]

I was at the meeting where the 1986 MTA proposed to shut down the White Plains #2 line north of 180th St and replace it with buses.. The venue in the Bronx where the meeting was held was packed to overflowing capacity with outraged people demanding the El to remain. The first words the officials uttered at the meet was that the El will be untouched. And they had to repeat themselves before the angry crowd.

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

@@hhvictor2462 What MTA should’ve done was rebuilt the crossover junction north of 180th Street and Built a proper flying Junction than anything. Same with rebuilding Myrtle Av Broadway. Build an actually proper flying junction…

[@hhvictor2462]

@@TiagoGomez-hb9te There was short lived movement early 1980s called "planned shrinkage" which basically means all services reduced to cut costs based on fake stats. I don't believe the MTA was in a mood to build anything at that time. Btw the authors of that scheme later disowned it.

[@larrydee8859]

In 1970; Bronx local business owners and politicians, had a meeting at our local high school. Amazingly they were urging, local citizens and graduating students, to support their stupid idea of tearing down the third avenue El. This at a time when the ridership of the third avenue l was reaching an old-time high again. It shows, who had the real influence, (the local politicians and business owners, who had businesses, under the 3rd avenue El), and saw to the demolition of the third avenue El. The public did not want the demolition of the Third avenue El.

[@tombarzey7964]

They wanted to shutdown the #5 line north of East 180 St as well in the late 80’s. The MTA claimed that there were stations that were in disrepair and there was no money to repair them. Plus, there was low ridership on the Dyre Avenue line. Under protest, 3 stations on the line (Baychester Ave, Gun Hill Rd, and Morris Park) were all renovated in the early 90’s and the shutdown never happened.

[@WTC2014]

I'm a locomotive engineer for Metro-North, if you ever have any railroad questions just reach out! I also ran freight trains in New Jersey and Staten Island.

[@myowncomputerstuff]

What are your thoughts on a rail connection to Staten Island? Aside from the obvious one connecting the SIRR to the NYC Subway by tunneling under the Verrazano Bridge, maybe utilizing the old North Shore Line to create a connection to Bayonne or Elizabeth.

[@ezekielrose11]

Is it fun

[@ezekielrose11]

Do you guys have work rules I’m a locomotive engineer for the LIRR and I might wanna switch one day

[@R262SubwayCar1]

I'll love to see More Elevated lines, Queenslink, Utica Av Subway, SAS, Southeast Queens, Subway to SI, and Better Frequency on the Subway

[@williamerazo3921]

I like how this setup. No more hiding behind the voice

[@ieatdog88888]

Fr

[@SteveRoberts5330]

Mayor Adams needs to go. Queensway needs to go. Queenslink needs to be built. Asap. 💯

[@R262SubwayCar1]

We need that Queenslink, Say No to Queensway

[@Stylez-90z]

We all need to come together as people and convince/ persuade the mta to get these important projects started, this will definitely b beneficial to all commuters. We need to turn dreams into reality

[@robotx9285]

You cooked, this is by far the best video you've made so far(in my opinion).

[@mood4eva98]

Your content keeps getting better and better

[@jointransitassociation]

Thanks!

[@king_br0k]

As a chicago native, I prefer riding an elevated like over a subway The views alone make it worthwhile A modern elevated system with enclosed platforms would be awesome

[@bkark0935]

As a Chicago native, one of the problems with the L (especially in the Loop and River North) is that has the yoke of “Landmark Status.” We unfortunately cannot replace the El in the downtown core with quieter concrete L structures and viaducts used on the Orange Line and Newer parts of the Red Line. The worst blunder in the 1990s rehabilitation of the Green Line was keeping it a steel structure above East 63rd. Should’ve been replaced with concrete.

[@king_br0k]

@bkark0935 yea, landmarking critical infrastructure is a mistake

[@Interstella-ni3vh]

The irony is all the NIMBY businessman who begged for the ELs to be torn down...most of those businesses lost their customers and shut down (See 3rd Ave El and Myrtle/Jamaica El articles). Well deserved Karma. Busses are a poor to laughable replacement for rapid rail transit.

[@williamerazo3921]

Bingo

[@robertewalt7789]

I rode the M line elevated in Brooklyn, shortly before it was taken down, late 1970’s.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Face reveal! 😊 I didn't know you were of East Asian heritage; I had always perceived you as a US native-born Irish American townie from Boston. And Mr. Vanshnookenraggen appeared, too, presenting an update for Queenslink. I hope Queenslink gets built even if the foundations and concrete pylons are built first under a Queensway project.

[@rikamayama2909]

I thought I was the only one 😭

[@TechJolt3d]

LMFAO

[@ikelom]

Sameeeeeeeee I had no idea he looked like that XD

[@Broadwaylocaln-o5q]

Same

[@R142A6Train]

Now I’m desperate for the Third Avenue EL revival for the Bronx

[@durece100]

Only if MTA build a sound-proof elevated train to reduce noise.

[@stickynorth]

@@durece100 ck yes! Even elevated "tunnels" are used to sound-proof in other cities by creating sound barriers around the tracks. It also helps weather proof them from rain, snow and nice too! An added benefit...

[@MrCubsfan3]

The intro was awesome! Whole video was insightful and interesting, too.

[@farhandoesthings]

I like the new style of the video. Great history lesson! I really enjoyed learning more about the elevated lines and about the IBX.

[@jointransitassociation]

Glad you liked it!

[@williamerazo3921]

I remember the capital plan of the 80s and seeing the 7ave line getting rebuilt

[@robertlunderwood]

My philosophy is that if it possible to be built underground, it should be built underground. However, if it is not possible due to geography, cost, etc, build it elevated. I'd rather have it elevated than non-existent. Street running should be avoided whenever possible.

[@wicker1446]

Please continue being vocally supportive of a proper IBX connection to 74th St/Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Ave station. Like the tunnel you proposed with a station underneath 73rd st, under the QBL platform.

[@adammars1438]

Very nice work, I can tell you worked hard on this video! 🔥

[@KingofGamingAndTrains456]

2:15 Face reveal!

[@carlos.a.sanchez201]

I'm an agent for PATH, I've been in love with trains since I was five years old, I've grew up riding trains including the MTA NYC Subway trains as (7) Train is my favorite line, and I'm for the Congestion Pricing. I do hope that the MTA does revisit the following projects since Congestion Pricing is fully implemented for the next MTA 2030-2034 Capital Plan. 1. Proposal of the Astoria Line (N), (W), extension to/from LaGuardia Airport in Queens. 2. Study the Queenslink subway in Queens. 3. Extend the (Q) Line to/from 125th Street at Broadway to provide a transfer to the (1) Train in Manhattan. 4. Extend the (4) train from Utica Avenue to/from Avenue U (Kings Plaza) in Brooklyn. 5. Extend the (1) to/from 261st Street-Riverdale in The Bronx. 6. Extend the (D) train to/from Co-Op City in The Bronx. 7. Extend the (J/Z) trains to/from Belmont Park-Bay Ridge in Queens. 8. Extend the (E) train to/from Rosedale in Queens. 9. Reinstate the (K) Train from 207th Street Inwood-Ozone Park Lefferts Boulevard to replace the (A) Train to better streamline the IND Lines. 10. Reinstate the (H) Train as Rockaway 116th Street-Broad Channel & Selective Rush Hour Express Service to/from 42nd Street Port Authority Bus Terminal (Lower Level) to replace the selected (A) Train (Rush Hour). 11. Extend the (G) Train to/from Jamaca-Parsons/Archer in Queens to/from Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue in Brooklyn. 12. Extend the (R) Train to/from Jamaca-179th Street in Queens. 13. (W) Train as a via Astoria Peak Express in Queens. 14. Peak Express between Jay Street/MetroTech & W. 8th Street-Aquarium in Brooklyn. 15. Extend the (3) Train from New Lots Avenue to/from Gateway Center in Brooklyn. 16. Reinstate the (9) Train as a peak skip stop service & extend to/from Waldo Avenue next to the yard in The Bronx. 17. Extend the (7) Train to/from 20th Avenue-College Point in Queens, 18. New (8) Subway Line to align the (7) Train Line to extend to/from 154th Street/Northern Boulevard in Queens. 19. Extend the Rush Hour Selected (W) Train via Sea Beach Line Express as a Peak Express in Brooklyn. 20. Simplify the (Z) Peak Express Train serving between Chambers Street-City Hall in Manhattan & Jamaca-Parsons/Archer in Queens to replace the selected (J) Peak Express Trains. 21. Reconstruct the Sea Beach Line Express Tracks into CBTC & reconstruct the Peak Express Stop Stations at New Utrecht Avenue Station to transfer the (D) Train & Kings Highway Station in Brooklyn. 22. Extend the proposal (T) train from Hanover Square to align with the (J/Z) Trains in Manhattan to/from 9th Avenue Station (Lower Level) to transfer the (D) Train in Brooklyn. 23. Reconstruct the Chambers Street-City Hall Station, Canal Street, & Bowery Street on the (J/Z) line abandon platforms. 24. Reinstate the (V) Train serving between Forest Hills in Queens, align the (G) Crosstown Line, construct section between Bedford Nostrand Avs Station to/from Franklin Avenue (Shuttle Station), to/from Prospect Park as a two track, and terminate at Brighten Beach in Brooklyn to replace the Franklin Avenue (Shuttle Train). 25. Construct a passageway between 63rd Street/Lexington Avenue (F)/(Q) Station & 59th Street (N), (R), (W), (6) Station to provide better transfer without having to exit the station to use the MetroCard/OMNY Card to re-enter the station. 26. Reconstruct the abandon 42nd Street Port Authority Bus Terminal Lower Level in Manhattan. 27. Reconstruct the Bergen Avenue & Carroll Street (F)/(G) Station (Lower Level) as an express stop station in Brooklyn. 28. Reconstruct a passageway on Marcy Avenue (J), (M), (Z) Station for better transfer to connect the Williamsburg Bridge Plaza Bus Terminal in Brooklyn. 29. Reconstruct a passageway between Queensboro Plaza (N), (W), (7) Station & Queens Plaza (E), (M), (R) Station in Queens to provide better transfers without having to leave the station to re-enter the station by using the MTA MetroCard/OMNY Card. 30. Reconstruct a passageway between 34th Street Penn Station (1), (2), (3) & 34th Street Herald Square Station (B), (D), (F), (M), (N), (Q), (R), (W), and to connect the 33rd Street PATH Station Terminal without having to exit the street level in Manhattan.

[@finaliest]

NEW PEAK JTA VIDEO (also pls add a 3rd ave station with the ibx extension to the bronx the central bronx needs it)

[@jointransitassociation]

Thanks! Also, my plans for the IBX Bronx extension would have a station at 3rd Ave.

[@finaliest]

@jointransitassociation huh last I checked from your IBX video there wasnt a 3rd Avenue station

[@jointransitassociation]

@@finaliest It is called Melorse. One end would be closer to Metro North, the other end would closer to 3rd Ave.

[@finaliest]

@@jointransitassociation OHHHH I didnt even realize I thought it was just a huge gap between intervale ave and Melrose Also btw what are your thoughts on a Metro North Penn Access station at Astoria Blvd to connect with the N/W (or R with Deinterling) and the M60 sbs bus I really like this since it would allow Astoria and LGA (especially with an Astoria extension THAT MUST HAPPEN) and allow eastern bronx residents into northwestern queen and heavily developed and gentrifying neighborhood of Astoria

[@leecornwell5632]

You deffenitly wanna know how meny people wants this 8 third Avenue elevated line to be rebuilt again?.

[@MagicMike-rd8mz]

Goodnight sir . And thank-you once again for making us another awesome video sir. And yes that would've if the MTA would've go ahead Build more Elevated Subway and Commuter Railroad lines throughout the city. It would cut down on cost on the transit projects then creating a tunnel. Witch will cost alot more to build and create more traffic along the neighborhoods of the construction sir. Like IBX line. The MTA should've go ahead with Queenslink and not Queensway. Due to the connection to Airtrain at Howard Beach ⛱️ . Queenslink will cut Subway rides commute down by 10 or 15 minutes. The A train line has to travel through Brooklyn before it reaches Manhattan and Queenslink just continues straight through Queens to Manhattan sir. Also thanks for stepping on camera sir. 📷

[@gcrichlow17]

Great video

[@brmnyc]

Lots of great history and footage here--thank you! I would be interested to know more about support for Queenslink. I was under the impression that the parks proponents were winning and the hope for reactivating the rail line was diminishing.

[@matnatale]

Can you make a video about how to improve the airport connections in NYC? Let’s say Queenslink is built out so you can run the M down to the Rockaways, wouldn’t it make sense to also run a branch to JFK taking over the AirTrain? Extension to LaGuardia, Newark etc. Great video btw!

[@jointransitassociation]

I think most of the NYC airport commentary have been covered by other KZbinrs. I think you don't really need the M to take over the AirTrain. Most other systems make people get off a particular station, and take an airport people mover into a specific terminal. That is what the JFK AirTrain is. Though maybe you can integrate the LIRR with the AirTrain. But that is far in the future.

[@RealistHom]

Great video tbh the IBX should be extended one stop towards a new station at 50 street near 25 ave to connect the ibx to the Penn station portion of the New Haven line so people can get a ride from bay ridge all the way to New Haven how about that that will be a game changer

[@morganschmitt5370]

Amazing he showed his face for the first time ever

[@kevina5472]

Just a (few) Station in Manhattan are Above ground..and the Reason is part if Broadway [number 1 line] go down..so the train is Above Ground..and in Staten Island the train run at Street Level...

[@KatoOnTheTrack1]

First shot is 110th 8th ave👌🏾. Just being born and raised in Harlem, I can tell a lot of the parts that were recorded from the 9th ave El uptown.

[@justSTUMBLEDupon]

Well done!

[@CraftyFoxe]

Interesting, I had no idea QueensLink was a thing, only had heard of the making it a trail, which a rail line would definitely would be more beneficial and functional than another park. Queens badly needs more north-south train options. Thanks to the people pushing for it

[@redhoode.n.y.6314]

Good video💪

[@MrLarrythehacker]

24:59 this is a shot of Chicago lol.

[@TechJolt3d]

Yo quality went up. This was great

[@edwardkopp1116]

I live next to the elevated M at Myrtle-Wyckoff. The line runs over Myrtle from Broadway where it joins the J/Z. The city has been deplorable in maintaining the infrastructure and it took lots of community effort in Bushwick to get the MTA to look at all the lead paint chipping off of the el and turning to dust over time. Come look at the "fix" along Myrtle. I'm unsure of what the next stage will be, but all lines need to have preventive maintenance scheduled and budgeted as non-negotiables.

[@matthewconstantine5015]

I know it's not the most important consideration, but I really wish they could make the concrete viaducts more aesthetically interesting. They're so drab and "Modernist." Obviously, the old elevated tracks had functional issues, especially the noise. But at least they had character. NYC, of all cities in the US, should build things with character. Living in DC, I don't mind the Brutalist architecture of the underground Metro stations. It's part of their charm, I suppose. And the Downtown area has plenty of Brutalist buildings for that style to tie into. But carried outside and into the suburbs, all of the above ground tracks and facilities are the visual equivalent of a mid-Century strip mall or a Texas freeway overpass. Just ugly and sad, even when brand new (see: the Silver Line expansion).

[@Jalil-o7m]

The Rockaway elevated in its entirety is falling apart. There is so much exposed rebar.

[@stickynorth]

Another aspect as to why elevated trains have appeal again is cost. When the Second Avenue Subway is running $2 BILLION/mile suddenly an elevated, pre-cast line doesn't sound or look too terrible doesn't it? I'm in Edmonton and the new Valley Line West project will be running at least two sections elevated including the station at West Edmonton Mall, formerly the world's largest shopping centre and the OG project from Triple Five owners of American Dream Mall aka Project Xanadu... In fact the pre-cast beams were built and elevated in a few months while the rest of the line at grade is taking forever. Ironic that simple street-running sections have now become the most problematic for both the contractors as well as the communities affected by construction rather than its elevated, pre-cast pier-beam sections...

[@leecornwell5632]

The 8 Third Avenue elevated line will deffenitly be elevated in the south Bronx Gun Hill road Webster central Avenue clearmont . Never rebuilt another elevated line in Manhattan again. They are deffenitly studying rebuilding the brand new third Avenue elevated line back over the cross Bronx Express highway it will not have to make to much noises anymore. Keep mentioning about the extra subway elevated lines that had no business tearing down .

[@theamazinghippopotomonstro9942]

The ultimate nimby nightmare

[@JSythe]

I wish the city bought the part of the NYWB between Hunts Point Ave and E 180th St and turned that into a shuttle, the Sheridan Shuttle, connecting the 2 and 5 trains with the 6 train in The Bronx.

[@Rickyrab]

Actually, I'd consider JFK Air train to be New York City's first El of the 21st century because of its mostly elevated trackage.

[@TheLiamster]

In my opinion all the elevated lines should be demolished and replaced with modern concrete designs like the ones used on the JFK Airtrain

[@Neville60001]

I wish that we could get elevated rail lines here in Toronto.

[@hnitsua]

As one living in vancouver (yay for shouting us out 24:56), if it werent for the skytrain, i wouldntve been intereted in transit, so i made a list of things in mind on my first medium article on discussing to others how to build good aerial metros and why theyre better: the space between the building and the viaduct should be wider than the width of the whole viaduct to allow the least amount of obstruction; planners should advertising it as a way to view the city as youre riding, most of the times on a given corridor youre on the train. even if you wanna walk, if u make mockups (using prev point) its not that bad anyway; use concrete instead of steel, and maybe add some soundproofing; cheaper; easier for cars to see how faster trains are; reply anything i missed

[@thallysdacostalima951]

In liberty city in GTA 4. They Have 1 of those Elevated Trains. In the Game.

[@CompositesNG]

What Id like to see are renderings of a modern El.

[@DavidBM134S]

To be clear, projects like the “inter borough express”, “penn station access” for metro north and “queens link” are not exactly “building elevated train lines” so much as they are using existing rail infrastructure, most of which is either below ground in open trenches, at or just above ground level or above ground but not a true “elevated rail line” (above a street along a significant portion of its route).

[@jointransitassociation]

I get what you are saying, but I still lump them into the story of elevated because the trains are still very much visible, and have the same problems as els. In fact, residents along the Bay Ridge Branch have complained about the noise of freight trains since forever. So conventional wisdom tells us that they too will block the IBX, because why would back another train going by every 5 minutes? Except they didn't. Also, the Rockaway Beach Branch has not seen service since 1962, so at this point, it likely have to be a new elevated line. The right of way needs to be completely rebuilt. Finally, the definition of an "el" has morphed so much that I don't think it needs to be over the street. Most of the L's in the Chicago L do not run above streets, but rather above alleyways. In fact, the South Side L was nicknamed the Alley L because it was built above numerous alleyways.

[@tonymanzo3766]

Third ave in the Bronx is in need of a rapid transit line to replace the old line that was removed in the early 70s express buses along the original route still has the buses on surface streets, the el didn’t get stuck in this traffic. A rebuilding of the el at the time was impossible because the city was in financial trouble and removed the line to save money by not having to maintain a line that wasn’t built to heavy duty standards.

[@MichaelMitchRailfan2009]

I would love to see more elevated trains again, but too bad it can’t be in Manhattan

[@ianhardy9375]

Manhattan is too dense for that with some many buildings and connection between Manhattan and the outer boroughs is difficult as infrastructure of bridges such as Brooklyn bridge and Queensboro bridge wouldn't be able to handle newer cars, the ones that were introduce in the 60s and so on starting with the R32 s as subway cars underwent changes in their design, structure and specifications would take it's toll on the existing infrastructure and the Manhattan bridge and the section of the BMT Jamaica line are perfect examples.

[@BMTEnjoyer160]

Sick intro music.

[@durece100]

Don't let these nimbys from prevent any elevated train project.

[@leecornwell5632]

The extra subway elevated lines is deffenitly needed because we have the city coming back strong and its deffenitly picking back up I'm telling you.

[@AlexandraZacharias-y9f]

Yeah concrete els are very quite. We desperately need the N/W extension to LaGuardia. Maybe Broadway will finally get the respect it deserves. (We need R160s back on the N/W) Also if that happens, still keep the R on Forest Hills, and N/W. The N would be better for Airport users and the W provides filler without needing too much trains.

[@ianhardy9375]

The els have to be more modern

[@probrawlclubepicplay8585]

I have a question of the IBX can you transfer to it from the Q train for free if not then it not good because of only have 2 transfer. for example you take the subway to the IBX then take a bus and hope is doesn’t take 2 fare or 3 fare

[@jointransitassociation]

I'm pretty sure there would be free transfers on the IBX, even though it would be out of system. The MTA is probably going to implement a tap in, tap out system with OMNY, and when someone taps out, that is where you can have a free transfer.

[@probrawlclubepicplay8585]

@ what if you transfer from the subway to the IBX and then a bus wouldn’t that count as three transfer not two anymore. Then that go over the one free transfer and then you have to paid a second fare!

[@obifox6356]

@@probrawlclubepicplay8585 Judging from MTA statements transfers will be the same for IBX.

[@harrykatsos]

We rlly should get a Nostrand Ave elevated line sumwhere after Flatbush Ave or Avenue K

[@oldunion]

Surprised no one compares the west end of Market Frankfurt Line in Philly it's cost analysis and what could be done with modern ELS from that perspective. In 2010 they tore down a 100 year old EL, replaced 3 miles and six stations for under 1 billion, stations included. Similar for the northern half with some mishaps due to cost cutting. This method could daylight the SAS from midtown to lower manhattan and take up only 1 lane of 7 on that avenue.

[@spuds6423]

Spinal Tap reference at 8:28 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@RedArrow73]

The Ibex is an animal, too, in the same family as deer, rams, etc.

[@Redhand1949]

Very interesting. You have the potential to become to NYC Transit history, present and future what what Jago Hazzard is to London's transit system. Check out his channel and you will see what I mean.

[@marcelwiszowaty1751]

Can confirm that Jago Hazzard is a very accomplished KZbinr. Most of his content is London-based (and of that mostly the Underground network) but he often branches out to other transport-related content. He has a particular style and in fact many commenters say they are not particularly interested in railways but find his output interesting and enjoyable.

[@Dalexfolly2]

Whenever I take the train at Myrtle-Wyckoff the M train turns there and it is so loud

[@neubro1448]

While at grade suburban trains in Japan are moving underground or elevated.

[@Broadwaylocaln-o5q]

I was not expecting the face reveal

[@masterdeeable1]

The Documentary is pretty good but needed a good Narrating voice. But in a scale of 1-10 I’ll give it 6

[@ClipsBy_amir]

name of the song pls 🙏

[@jointransitassociation]

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[@obifox6356]

Underground was not a viable alternative for the IBX.

[@_Breakdown]

Great video 🙂👍🏼 18:24 - - Q: does that shuttle only have 1 track? 16:14 - - twin towers

[@kevinperez-molina6482]

I don’t see the city building El’s anytime soon. New projects like inter-boro and penn station are being done on existing rail lines to avoid that public pushback. I’m all for trains. Hopefully the 2nd ave line gets finished.

[@jointransitassociation]

I understand that sentiment, but I don't think a new el going over a railroad right of way means much. Especially when people along the line have complained about freight trains since forever. So, by extending that logic, why would these same people back another train line going by every 5 minutes? At least those freight trains only come by every few hours. So, there should be a huge backlash towards the IBX, and there was for a brief moment, but that went away.

[@aqua2poweros699]

Bro casually face revealed out of nowhere

[@hhvictor2462]

Every El line senselessly and foolishly demolished in Manhattan and in the outer boros over the decades ought to be rebuilt. Make New York City Great Again!

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

Nah. Just build way more subway lines in Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens…

[@hhvictor2462]

@@TiagoGomez-hb9te yeah well Manhattan needs them too. 1st Ave, 3rd Ave, 6th Ave, and 9th Ave. The more the merrier.

[@TiagoGomez-hb9te]

@@hhvictor2462 Manhattan doesn’t need ELs. The Subways made the ELs obsolete and are way more efficient than the ELs. They just need 2nd Avenue to be Quad Track and extend some Subway lines like the L and the 7… The Bronx, Brooklyn and especially Queens meanwhile are transit desserts. Like no N/W trains to LaGuardia Airport or 3 or L trains to JFK? No LIRR to JFK or Coney Island? No E train to Springfield Gardens or Green Acres Mall and no F, J, and 7 trains extended down to the borders of Queens? Come on now! G train also badly needs to be extended to Queens…

[@hhvictor2462]

@@TiagoGomez-hb9te Long annoying train backup/delays during morning rush at the major subway stations like Grand Central, Times Square, 14th ST and other express stops Yeah, Manhattan need those El lines desperately.The outer boro lines must run into Manhattan anyway.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

New Myrtle Avenue to/from Jay Street and Third Avenue Bronx Skytrains! Then connect the two at a future date. 🤔😊

[@Geotpf]

I haven't watched the video yet but I am guessing the answer is "because they are cheaper".

[@williamerazo3921]

3ave line could have been IRT specs with New trucks like PCC

[@visionpersistance]

At the point in the video, where the narrator states “Then We, in New York City, Can Do It!” You actually display a video view of the Skyline of Chicago along Lake Michigan!?😂

[@jointransitassociation]

Whoops!

[@visionpersistance]

No Biggie, We finally visited “The Windy City” and its Elevated Loop and Subway Exstensions along the Expressways are interesting. The Congress Street Subway isn’t as exstensive as The IRT, BMT or IND routes or Lines in Manhattan or Brooklyn or Queens and the Bronx, as it only has an inbound and outbound routes and tracks with no dedicated inbound and outbound express tracks, but one inbound and outbound track or route instead of three or ideally, four as in New York City

[@qolspony]

Cost is cheaper to construct.

[@-Osiris-]

Elevated lines aren't good, build them underground. Yes it's more expensive initially but over time it doesn't really matter

[@JSythe]

So much dramatic music.

[@Aubreyb07]

W face reveal

[@ramonerhule8691]

As a lifelong east Flatbush Brooklyn resident I’m dying to see this Utica av line completed but I’m 35 now, if life sphere maybe by 60 it will b completed🫠

[@williamerazo3921]

I wouldn’t say Dyre Av line elevated.

[@ianhardy9375]

It's only part, given to how the Bronx is developed

[@tombarzey7964]

So true because the line was originally a railroad!

[@marinhopaais426]

What a messy system.

[@Mr.Nin10do.]

IM NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE YOUR FACE AHHHH

[@history_leisure]

Face Reveal?

[@rafaeluryayev7174]

...umm... Because underground is expensive...? Common sense.

[@TimPun570]

first here

[@RonGerstein]

Give this commenter a cookie

[@BMTEnjoyer160]

Don’t care kiddo

[@R262SubwayCar1]

Nobody cares

[@BMTEnjoyer160]

@@R262SubwayCar1 exactly

[@darkwoodmovies]

I think elevated trains are cool, but living in a building with a window right next to it... must be horrible lol

[@KyrilPG]

There's one reason that is pretty bad : New York's, and more largely the US and Canada's inability to build transit infrastructure for a normal and reasonable cost. Having to build elevated or at grade in the US or New York for the cost of underground subway in other countries, instead of underground in order to limit costs, is really not a great thing. Elevated can be fine, but Miami and Vancouver have pretty ugly viaducts. They are very functional and not esthetical at all. As RMTransit shown, viaducts can be beautiful, or at least fit well in their surroundings. Like the much more esthetically pleasing viaducts on Grand Paris Express line 18 or Rennes line B, which is important for acceptability.

[@JMVX]

The Rockaway beach branch as it was should be returned to the LIRR and operated as it was ultimately intended. LIRR can (if it was ordered to by the MTA) operate reliable express and local service on the line between all 4 of their western terminal Stopping at grand street, Rego Park, diverging at white pot jct to stop at park side and all the now closed stations. Locals via mainline run to LIC. Expresses to penn/GCM and locals to far rock can go to Atlantic. The most foolish thing done was building a building smack in the ROW in Far Rockaway. That was 100% neglecting the transportation infrastructure needs. The bay ridge branch can have the light rail or a subway Along it. But LIRR can provide faster and more comfortable transportation options to the Rockaway than the subway system. My 5¢ fare worth.

[@michaelcrouthers8857]

People didn't hate the Els until LaGuardia told them to. The Els were much better than the subway. They're cheaper to build, and have you ever seen a rat on an elevated platform? The subways are fifthy.

[@johnurbanski5461]

NYC is NOT building els again at the moment.....

[@Jorge-lh6px]

The 7 is a cultural icon? Lmao, maybe an icon of subway surfing and theft.

[@bennythepenny5831]

I propose these new elevated lines for the New York City Subway so far: IRT System 2nd Avenue Line 6th Avenue Line 9th Avenue Line White Plains Road Line Utica Avenue Line (partially) Nostrand Avenue Line (partially) Flatlands Avenue Line Livonia Avenue Line extension Main Street Line Van Wyck Boulevard Line Boston Road Line Whitestone Expressway Line Gravesend Neck Road Line Jerome Avenue Line extension Pelham Line extension Flushing Line extension Cross Bronx Expressway Line Broadway Line extension Dyre Avenue Line extension Ralph Avenue Line BMT System Fulton Street Line 3rd/5th Avenue Line (Brooklyn) Myrtle Avenue Line rebuilding Astoria Line to The Bronx Fort Hamilton Parkway Line 108th Street Line (Queens) Canarsie Line to Canarsie Pier RFK Bridge Trackage Manida Street Line Cross Bronx Expressway Line Crocheron Avenue Line Liberty Avenue Line extension Clove Road Line Richmond Terrace Line Victory Boulevard Line Rockaway Boulevard Line Van Wyck Boulevard Line Interborough Line IND System 3rd Avenue Line (Manhattan) 3rd Avenue Line (The Bronx) Merrick Line Springfield Boulevard Line Webster Avenue Line Bruckner Boulevard Line Tremont Avenue Line Ocean Parkway Line (mostly)