Why Ocean Liners are STRONGER & FASTER than Cruise Ships? Key Ocean Liner Differences Explained!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

So now you know the difference, have you ever travelled on an Ocean Liner? Join this channel to get access to perks: kzbin.info/door/gk7SzYDkiXWWBfMqXYH0cAjoin including custom emojis!

[@GardeningLadybug]

Yes. QE2 and QM2.

[@TsaGo_1912]

Yes. I was on board when QM2 made her 400th Transatlantic Crossing 😊

[@simonwatson4153]

Yes, on QE2 after one of her "shakedown" cruises after her regular services.I also went from Liverpool to Lagos in 1965 on the MV Aureol the flagship of Elder Dempster line. She was only 14,000 tonnes.

[@KateS1172]

Yes! And you were onboard (Mar 23).

[@mgoblue8168]

QM2 3 times so far.

[@ChristopherPeasley-kl7qk]

I was lucky enough to experience six voyages between England and South Africa aboard various union-castle liners. On one occasion we transited the Bay of Biscay during wind force 9 conditions.... No reduction of speed was required, we maintained a steady 22knots!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Those were proper ships!! 🚢 🚢

[@yoyo5069]

Yea but u was probably a slave. U lucky to get a water let alone a Margherita my man 😮😂

[@gustavopomodoro]

Amazing

[@fredliperson9171]

The easiest way to tell the difference is one is beautiful and the other is ugly....

[@anastaisashepherd2283]

Exactly

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

As grandiose as those Cruise ships are, the ".... Of The Sea's" vessels especially, they just look like motion sickness to look at. Magnificent, but not pretty. The Queen liners are both magnificent, not quite as grand but magnificent and pretty, in my personal opinion. I am not crazy about ocean cruises but, if I had to, it's Ocean Liner all the way.

[@kalebgonzales4009]

All I know is that cruise liners are pleasure and leisure ships while ocean liners are like a “great new begins to a new life in a new land” kind of thing and are also your airplanes to get across when airplanes are nonexistent - infancy.

[@joanfreestone1707]

If I was ever lucky enough to do a transatlantic crossing, the only ship I would consider would be QM2. I've never sailed on a liner.

[@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt]

Well you don't have much to consider as the QM2 is the ONLY ocean liner left in the world.

[@COLINJELY]

Next week I am boarding the QM2 for a Westbound Crossing. Last January I was aboard HAL Oosterdam when we rounded Cape Horn and crossed the Drake Passage

[@catrinlewis939]

Have a lovely voyage. Take good care of her for us.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Have a great trip!!

[@cdnmetelhead4013]

My father emigrated to Canada in the 50’s. He transited on the Empress of France (I think). It was early spring. He said that he never got to the dining hall once. He was strapped into his bunk with a bucket near by. He certainly was glad to see Quebec City.

[@maxasaurus3008]

Ahhh Normandie! The most beautiful of ALL liners!!

[@beadroin8301]

That was some nice timing releasing this, I'm on QM2 next week! and was on one of the many in existence Grand classes you featured on this video (Azura) last month. So will be a great back to back comparison for me to experience.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

That's awesome!

[@saltyroe3179]

I propose that qe2 & qm2 are cruise liners. A hybrid of a liner and cruise ship. Built to liner standards but with accommodations and resort features of a cruise ship. This can make for a more pleasant experience for passengers.

[@petergibbs]

Just showing how different Ocean Liners and Cruise Ships are is this departure by P&O’s Canberra and Oriana one year way back. Built as ocean liners, but then working as cruise ships. Oriana led the way out of Southampton going ahead. The next day in the Bay of Biscay, the sea was extremely rough with hardly anyone at breakfast. On Canberra we passengers we were only allowed on part of the Promenade deck for a small part beside the William Fawcett Room before not being allowed out at all with the doors roped to stop anyone going outside. Just before that happened, we slowly began to overhaul Oriana. Her bow with each big sea seeming to go under the top of the wave as it rolled over her as both ships powered there way forward across the Bay. Something no modern-day cruise ship Captain would ever dream of doing on purpose.

[@johntechwriter]

Another distinction… Cruise ships are in essence mobile feed lots, providing mind-numbing amounts of fodder to keep their cargo from becoming restless between stops at coastal tourist traps. An ocean liner must above all be beautiful, because it inspires in romantically inclined people the notion of a great adventure - crossing a vast and restless sea, where during the voyage anything can happen. Every ocean liner voyage is a high-stakes wager where past successes offer no guarantee the cruel sea can once again be kept at bay. In this formalistic half-life everyone plays out their role, aware that just outside the fiercest forces of nature are being overcome not just by machinery, but also by their intense desire to move through them and prevail. Every voyage is undertaken with the understanding that all aboard could share the same terrible fate. This creates a bond where no-one breaks the spell. Time stands still as their leviathan whisks its passengers onward. In that magical few days away from their dreary everyday world, adventures of all kinds can be had because the crossing is experienced not as a memory but as a dream, and who can be held accountable for their behavior while sleeping? As the destination nears and the spell begins to unwind, regrets about risks not taken blend with memories of those that were, until there is no telling them apart. And as with the very best dreams, the spirit fills in the blanks however vast, and carries the dreamer along through that tiresome interval known only to fools as life.

[@markmh835]

OMG, how very poetic! I wish I could give your short essay TEN thumbs up!👍 You encapsulated the "human element" of a "crossing" much more emotionally than any clinical dissection of ocean-going ships could ever do. You have a way with words, sir. Your essay should be mandatory reading for anyone contemplating a "crossing." 😀🙏🚢🎉.

[@udirt]

The nicest thing ever written on KZbin

[@Kirribilli_ships]

Excellent video. My very first voyage when i was a young boy was on Oriana (1960) on a three weeks Christmas cruise to Hawaii. She was a very fast Ocean liner and on those long distances at sea she would often reach speeds of 27 knots. I also travelled on the Canberra to Hong Kong Queen Elizabeth 2 from New York to Sydney and Queen Mary 2 from Fremantle. All were amazing ships and travelling on Ocean liners was a very special experience.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thanks for sharing! Those voyages sound amazing! It must have been interesting to compare Canberra and QE2!

[@Kirribilli_ships]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial I went through heavy seas on the QE2 and the Canberra, Both ships handled these conditions very well. On the voyage I did on Canberra, QE2 and Canberra were docked side by side at the Ocean Terminal in Hong Kong. They looked impressive together. My personal favourite of the two ships to travel on was the QE2.

[@robp4682]

Thank you - I have travelled on both QE2 and QM2

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Good choices!

[@ryankenyon5010]

Great video! I'd really like to see Astoria sail again.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

You and me both!

[@martynmiller4247]

Excellent video and explanation. We briefly spoke on QM2 in Illuminations a few years ago, it was a pleasure to meet you. Time and time again I am confronted with "but I sailed on a liner" (when it was only a cruise ship). Now I will send them the link to your superb video with its explanation, thank you.

[@BigDT.BigDenny]

Awesome video Chris! thanks!!!

[@corner559]

Best video on this topic I've seen so far. Well done!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Wow, thanks so much for the positive feedback.

[@mickyday2008]

I’ve been on a voyage from Southampton to New York on the QM2. It was excellent

[@dhakihamsya4876]

I am liking and subscribing because of intro that literally last in a second! No boring long talks and I don't have ADHD ( repliers)

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Welcome aboard!

[@p3rran]

Ocean liner: About the destination. Cruise ship: About the journey.

[@RCKodak]

Happily the first comment on this fine video! Your channel is improving daily. Video and sound greatly improved and fantastic story telling.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thanks so much for the kind words!

[@FrancOnia-zh1me]

Amazing video.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@johansomeone1948]

Now I want to see a race between a Ocean liner and a Cruise ship.😅

[@GardeningLadybug]

Absolutely fantastic video.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Johnplod]

So informative and good to know the facts

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thank you John!

[@deltacx1059]

Cruise "ships" are just overgrown barges.

[@BoatMan-y6o]

A fantastic video!!

[@braddonaldson7938]

Than ks Chris. Always love your videos This one exceptional. Brad Donaldson

[@martynmiller4247]

"Have you ever tralled on an Ocean Liner?" QM2 15 crossings and cruises (and another crossing booked) QE2 cruise. QE and QV cruises. 20 voyages with Cunard in total.

[@GEODUCK9]

But can you spell? mongol.

[@michaelferri6790]

I already knew the question and I knew the answer which is that an ocean liner is a vessel that is designed to handle crossings across a vast ocean like the Atlantic or the Pacific where is the cruise liner is only designed to handle which called safe and light Harbor type of operations she will only cruise in which Cole safe waters if you ask the cruise liner to cross Atlantic Ocean to be asking for the risk a lot the love boat could never survive in Electra Crossing

[@markmh835]

The easiest way I've been able to tell the difference is that I look up, and if it says "Queen Mary II" on its bow, it's an ocean liner. If it doesn't say QMII, it's a cruise ship. Works every time. 🤔😄👍

[@alexandermenck6609]

QE 2 an liners are true ship, cruise ships are floating hotels.

Merci votre vidéo est très clair et concis, une grande qualité de communication. Je fantasme au sujet d'une traversée transatlantique sur le QM2 avec mon épouse (qui ne se doute de rien) et mes grands enfants et mon petit-fils (tout neuf, cuvée 2024). En attendant l'occasion je regarde des kilomètres de vidéos YT sur QM2.

[@markmh835]

I wish you the best of luck in fulfilling your dream for your family. 😀👍🙏

[@august2241]

It’s crazy the age of ocean liners was barely 100 years

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Yes that’s true - around 120 years or so from 1838 to 1958 before things really started to change.

[@westhavenor9513]

Never knew that an ocean liner could be powered by a hairspring <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="225">3:45</a> lol

[@antoniopita7100]

noticed that too and had to give that a second look to make sure😂😂😂😂

[@sirbuftontufton5846]

It was during the Great Depression of the 1930s that the watch market crashed, and companies like Omega, Longines and Patek Phillipe generated additional revenue streams by building horological systems powerful enough to propel an ocean liner. However, the ships' motion was insufficient to drive an automatic rotor, and the concept failed due to the manpower required to manually wind such a system.

[@TheStefanskoglund1]

QM had to face a rogue wave in December 1942 which broke the bridge's windows... At that time she was overloaded with soldiers so she was badly unbalanced.

[@eoinrobson2725]

Thank you very much for this video explaining the difference between ocean-liners and other ships such as cruise-ships. If a regular cruise-ship (not an ocean-liner) wished to reposition itself, what would be the restictions that would be imposed on that regular cruise-ship in order for the regular cruise-ship to be allowed cross an ocean (such as the Atlantic Ocean if repositioning itself from the Caribbean Sea to the Mediterranean Sea)?

[@JH-lw1fz]

Average cruise ships will reposition at optimum weather and with only employees on board. Large Cruise ships that are Quantum class and above have zero problems navigating open ocean and in fact have transatlantic and transpacific itineraries.

[@Epste1n5693]

The S.S. United States didn't end its career in 1952. That's when it started its historic career. She was retired in 1969 as the golden age of liners had come and gone and was replaced by faster, more affordable and reliable air travel. She's currently still afloat awaiting a sad fate as an artificial reef (the world's largest) at Pier 82 in Philadelphia where she was suppose to only spend around a month, but has instead been there for 28 years. She was suppose to undergo a two week tow down south to start the year long job of preparing her for this purpose just three weeks ago, but weather postponed those plans. It's amazing the ship still exists at all given how long she has been out of service, 55 years. In that time many attempts and plans have been drawn up and thrown out to save her as a museum or event venue. Unfortunately this has not come to pass. She will be sunk off florida as an artificial reef and diving attraction. A museum will be made on shore. Her fate has been sealed by a number variables. Having said that, it should be considered criminal what's being done.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Thanks for the detailed info. The phrase I used was “which entered service” but on re-listening to it, I can see how it may sound like “ended service” as I did mumble the word “entered” a bit 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@roykliffen9674]

I prefer the ocean liners - even the dual purpose types - to cruise ships, simply by the much more beautiful lines ocean liners often have. Many a cruise ship to me look more like an apartment block bolted to a barge. BTW MV Astoria used to be the Stockholm? That is one hell of a transformation.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

I know they basically rebuilt the ship from the hull up!

[@ahowl7mx]

Where do I find routes other than transatlantic?

[@caezar55]

Might be a silly questuon but if queen mary 2 glances an iceberg, lessons have been learned right?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Yes, but all ships can sink if the damage is severe enough.

[@YukariAkiyama]

No ship is unsinkable, but materials and strength have come a long way

[@nian60]

I hope the Astoria is saved. 🥺 I have mostly traveled on Baltic ferries and I don't think they qualify as ocean liners. They look more like cruise ships, even though they kind of do the job of a liner. I once took a round trip around Gran Canaria. I don't think that was an ocean liner either. That ship just went all around Gran Canaria and nowhere else. (I don't know the name of that ship because it was before I cared about things like that).

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Ooh now Ferries are a fascinating story too! I’ll have to share it sometime. We researched them in depth for our book.

[@nian60]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial OK, cool. Thanks. 🙂

[@alanplatt6229]

A liner is a vessel which is on a set route. They can be general cargo, oil tankers or passenger vessels. I agree that some ships are built to a greater strength than others but that does not make them liners.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Hi Alan, The route the ship is designed for - the line voyage - makes it a liner. Those line voyage routes require specific design characteristics, that most liners share.

[@emilv.3693]

They should build an ocean liner cruise ship for the pacific. Imagine doing a Polynesian cruise coming in at 30 knots from Los Angeles

[@SPPhotography89]

The safety and durability of ships has improved over the years, due to fires and sinkings that have occurred. A certain thing has been done again better. For example, here in the Baltic Sea, ships must at least have their own engines to move in ice (1A / 1A Super). You don't need the hull of an icebreaker in those warm countries, but those storms at sea are in a class of their own. E.g. MV Arvin broke in two, of course it was a hollow tanker, and it was starting to show its age, besides the maintenance of the ship had been neglected. In terms of ship speeds, the GTS Finnjet was the fastest ship in the world for years, until diesel technology passed, and that ship is also a scrap in India.

[@97TRAKIN]

An ocean liner is for "transportation". A cruise ship is an all inclusive resort "vacation".

[@kevindruce8915]

How much pollution does this create per kilometre please?

[@ss-united-states-my-beloved]

We need Normandie II

[@ss-united-states-my-beloved]

but titanic II could help save ocean liners if it's built

[@charlesjw2]

so are cruise ships safe when they cross the atlantic/pacific?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Cruise ships can do those voyages but aren’t designed specifically to undertake those routes day in, day out for 30-40 years. QM2 was specifically designed for this route and as such is built stronger to withstand the weather for the long term. You’ll also usually see cruise ships take a more southerly route on the Atlantic to avoid the worst of what that ocean has to offer.

[@joedavenport5293]

And the SS France was a dual purpose liner, which made it an attractive option for NCL.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Interestingly the SS. France didn’t originally feature many of the elements that ultimately made her a successful cruise ship. When Knut Kloster bought the France people thought he was mad, but the refurbishment in Bremerhaven effectively transformed her into a dual purpose design that was then almost exclusively used for cruising. The addition of the outdoor entertainment areas, enhancement of interior spaces for cruising and addition of the big tender boats made it possible for her to effectively operate in the cruise market.

[@marktaylor9975]

Hey the Austrian was scrapped in 2021 wasn’t it? Same ship?

[@jaynorris3722]

Cruise ships are the party lemmos of the oceans. Lines are the buses. Point A to point B in a set amount of time.

[@TwoAussieAvgeeks]

🚢🚢🚢

[@KateS1172]

I love the Queen Mary 2❤

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

So do we!! Thanks so much for becoming a member Kate!

[@GardeningLadybug]

Me too

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

We do too!

[@fooman2108]

Back when people used SHIPS and not APARTMENT BUILDING with a pointy end

[@harryvlogs7833]

Well technically we could say qe2 is powered by electric motors

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

From 1987-2008 propelled by electric motors yes! Powered by diesels.

[@harryvlogs7833]

@@ChrisFrameOfficial sorry ment qm2

[@701983]

United States: 178 MW of power for only max. 1928 passengers! That's 92 kW per passenger at full power and full occupancy! If we assume an efficiency of 35% for the steam-turbine-propulsion, it was a fuel consumption of 264 kWh (~26 liters of diesel-equivalent) per hour or 372 kWh (37 liters of DE) per 100 km and passenger. Just to give you a rough impression of the downside of such fast ocean liners. Ships are known for being an efficient mode of transport. And they are, basically. But not, if they have to move tons of ship mass per passenger with such speed through the water. Of course, propulsion became more efficient, big ship diesel engines can achieve efficiencies of more than 50%. Nevertheless, It would still be a very energy-consuming way to cross the ocean. There are mainly two ways to minimize this problem: Less ship weight per passenger: small cabins, less "entertainment rooms", use of light materials. And less speed. Basically, fuel consumption per mile follows the speed squared.

[@Dbodell8000]

Cruiseships can take rough weather too.

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Absolutely! They’re just not optimised to transit those kinds of conditions day in, day out for 20-30 years like the liners were.

[@paullangford8179]

A cruise ship is a floating hotel and shopping mall. It has no other use.

[@HybridRenoII]

Would be nice *IF YOU SAID HOW MANY FEET LONG IT IS!!* Not everyone knows the conversion Meters to feet JUST SAYIN!

[@thejohnbeck]

SUV vs bus.

[@Arceemunoz]

I hope Cunard will build a ship faster than SS United States. They should avenge that ship.

[@diddlebug7241]

Are any of these two ships mentioned here faster than the SS United States at 43 mph maximum speed?

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

No. SS. United States still holds the record 🏆

[@blackbox-music7637]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="421">7:01</a> say that again...

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Sure! While this boat placement [high or near the top of the ship] is a common trait among ocean liner designs, there have been some noticeable exceptions... Canberra for example...

[@yesterdayschunda1760]

a lot of battleships from ww2 are faster than cruise ships lol

[@asylumlover]

SHIP SHIP, HURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

YOU COULD`NT PAY ME TO GET ON THOSE PATHETIC GIANT CRUSE SHIPS FLOATING DISASTERS WAITING TO HAPPEN

[@matsv201]

I would like to claim that is wrong. QM2 is not really a Ocean Liner. its still a cruse ship that pretend to be a Ocean Liner. The main reason for that is that its not a proportionately transport service. While you can ride as a transport service, its really not what its for. This is very different to something like M/S Norröna that go to a table and the predominate use of the ship is as transport.

[@sherman4970]

What’s the difference?????

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Please tell me you’re asking this before you watched the video 🙏😂

[@paxwallace8324]

Hey I'm just gonna say it. Cruiseships are full of old moldy materialist jackals of Mediocrity. My ex-wife talked me into taking a rather expensive slightly more elite cruise to the Nordcap of Norway. It was okay but I kept bumping into evidence of the underside of the whole enterprise. Later when we were living in Italy when the Costa Concordia catastrophe happened. That cowedly captain he so embarrassed the Italians I worked with at Aviano AFB. But he really seems to encapsulate my impression of the whole industry. The whole service population being paid poorly paid living outa sight beneath the waterline not allowed to talk to the passengers or the macho white officers talking amongst themselves unawear of being overheard; talikg about the new girls in entertainment like meat. I don't get that vibe from international and local ferry services BTW by and large.

[@MikeHansen-mh8pf]

Why do you have the title translated? Someone who sees a German title expects a German video. Canceled immediately, thumbs down and channel blocked!

[@ChrisFrameOfficial]

Because you blocked my channel, there is not much point in replying to you, to let you know that my German audience has asked for subtitles in German, hence the title and description are available in German.

[@markmh835]

​@@ChrisFrameOfficial-- Just ignore the trolls. Probably an American MAGAt. (I can say this because I'm American.). These people are on an obsessed war against Spanish too.