Why People are MAD about AFK Journey Season 1: Song of Strife

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Afk Journey King

Afk Journey King

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@WhatssupYoo
@WhatssupYoo 5 ай бұрын
Truth be told. Pre-season was the bait to hook everyone in, Season 1 is their true agenda.
@catalan500_8
@catalan500_8 5 ай бұрын
If you wanna make money off the new season then don’t need p2win rewards 🙄
@Safineya
@Safineya 5 ай бұрын
Yea I will quit the game if my Marilee stops being good. I just got her to mythic + and +15 weapon TODAY and if she is shit now who gives a damn about the game. The studio gonna kill this game f2p wise just like they did in afk arena and we can't do shit about it.
@Jussonice
@Jussonice 5 ай бұрын
This is facts right here. I would give them the benefit of the doubt, but all the changes together paint a pretty clear picture of what they want.
@WhatssupYoo
@WhatssupYoo 5 ай бұрын
@@Jussonice Just watch the next rate up S-rank character to be super OP.
@zWooTWooTz
@zWooTWooTz 5 ай бұрын
​@@Safineyashe's still very very good. The nerf is over exaggerated imo.
@zelasd3125
@zelasd3125 5 ай бұрын
Honeymoon is over.
@GiaMansani
@GiaMansani 5 ай бұрын
Perfect comment to describe the situation 🤣
@ゆきの-s5j
@ゆきの-s5j 5 ай бұрын
just play eversoul devs respect your time and money and no scummy practices wich is rare this days
@De4dlyX
@De4dlyX 5 ай бұрын
us players, low spenders and f2p have no voice, we rely on you to deliver the message to the devs, they need to know that they messed up and they need to address this problem asap before more and more players got upset.
@joeyjoey4333
@joeyjoey4333 5 ай бұрын
Other content creators like Volkin and Zeebo are silent. Stop watching them
@soulfuzz368
@soulfuzz368 5 ай бұрын
Cry moar
@bunjicord93
@bunjicord93 5 ай бұрын
So entitled
@jacksonr9418
@jacksonr9418 5 ай бұрын
​@@soulfuzz368 buddy glazes afk journey 💀
@Jeriks
@Jeriks 5 ай бұрын
@@joeyjoey4333 chill
@kenkaneki3873
@kenkaneki3873 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for adressing this Tashman. I saw the nerfs to rewards, especially F2P pulls and weapon material/acorn rewards aswell as the nerfs to paid passes paired with the lack of creators talking about this made me very close to uninstalling. The fact you're adressing this and trying to get in touch with the devs made my decide to wait a bit longer and see if things change around.
@soulfuzz368
@soulfuzz368 5 ай бұрын
You should uninstall
@petertrueteller8043
@petertrueteller8043 5 ай бұрын
Game is garbage anyway so for what do you need to wait?
@eslamsoul
@eslamsoul 5 ай бұрын
The rewards would have been "Fine" if we only needed one copy of a character but in a game that requires at least 5 copies (Mythic+) for some characters to be even functional is just atrocious and especially since there is absolutely no control on who you get or some form of pity and thats just the gems and tickets. An even bigger issue is the acorns as there is isn't any consistent way of getting them and you need hundreds of those for every character F2ps and light spenders will literally have no chance in competing in a game revolving around the very concept of competition.
@anthonyhashira9249
@anthonyhashira9249 5 ай бұрын
It’s a gacha game spend money. If you can’t stop crying go play another game
@Klutch1774
@Klutch1774 5 ай бұрын
Wuthering waves waiting room
@Safineya
@Safineya 5 ай бұрын
Same. I am so happy the game releases in like 7-8 days or so because afk journey was a nice passtime but the moment they started nerfing characters people already invested in without the option to reset for free it became predatory bullshit.
@daniel336600
@daniel336600 5 ай бұрын
You really think that is going to be anything different care ppl they all want a piece of the gacha pie
@makunouchiippo816
@makunouchiippo816 5 ай бұрын
Echo system will make you quit sooner or later there as well hahahaha
@Natsuke1104
@Natsuke1104 5 ай бұрын
​@@daniel336600 we know kuro games so we know we're gonna be treated right from experience with PGR.
@deeptobhattacharyya3249
@deeptobhattacharyya3249 5 ай бұрын
@@makunouchiippo816 Tell me you ride Hoyo without telling me you ride hoyo
@danieleccleston7928
@danieleccleston7928 5 ай бұрын
It's kind of silly to have a true damage reduction mechanic. You can't really call it true dmg anymore if it can get reduced like that.
@rawinn6523
@rawinn6523 5 ай бұрын
Should be renamed to “false damage”
@-L1K-
@-L1K- 5 ай бұрын
Game is only a lil over a month old before they screwed up the rewards in the new season. What a shame.
@WorldOFBlackub
@WorldOFBlackub 5 ай бұрын
I think the most painful change is the reduction of rewards just let people do some pulls. Guild mode used to give 5 tickets every time and now it gives 3 rate up ones..
@theorangecandle
@theorangecandle 5 ай бұрын
Being able to refund temporal essence would be huge. Or maybe they could do a partial refund like 80%? But it would help people who dumped temporal essence into units who aren't that good.
@Safineya
@Safineya 5 ай бұрын
Or they should... y'know....NOT NERF units that are good just to make the new units you have to spend to max meta. I believe it should be illegal to make something a person paid to acquire worse just because you want them to spend more money.
@max-bc5uo
@max-bc5uo 5 ай бұрын
​@@Safineyaor you could understand that no unit was changed. Can't help stupidity
@GiaMansani
@GiaMansani 5 ай бұрын
This. I hope the devs do this. This is needed or f2p, light spenders and medium spenders will drop the game. Yes the whales give them the most money but is their goal to make this a niche game with small audience that generates large revenue or a game that's widely popular with a large online player base. Also not all whales are super rich. They just spend money on games and live in normal houses but even they have a budget limit. What will afk journey do in the long run when whales lower their spending
@mick977
@mick977 5 ай бұрын
I think you've covered most of it, but I'll try and give my feelings as a very low spender. - The DR changes might not have been direct nerfs, but they still affected the chars substantially to the point where I do think people should be allowed their essence back or some way of meeting people halfway for this issue. (Even if it's just some essence to everyone) - The rewards, as you've pointed out, are just not there in the afk stages or in the world. It doesn't feel rewarding any longer, some standard pulls, equipment and so forth would go a long way to fixing that. If I don't feel like I'm making progress, I don't have fun, and that's where I am now. -The noble path. You mentioned this in your video, but my issue with it is basically the opposite to yours. The original one was much more rewarding *for me*. You got A-level chars, epic pulls, a hero selector box and acorns. Whereas the new one has cut a lot out of that in favour of more EXP and rate up tickets instead, which are not very enticing for me at this current point of the game. I think they can sort this out quite easily & quickly. I will give them some time, but for now I'm putting the game to the side to see what happens. If nothing changes, there are plenty of other games to play right now. If something does change, I look forward to jumping back in.
@leocontreras6977
@leocontreras6977 5 ай бұрын
Im just quitting because I invested in Marilee and Korin cuz I just got them naturally, I was competing around 20-25, now I can barely stay at top 150. Even the afk is a lot harder with Cecia if you dont have Odie mythic+. Its stupid to just nerf an existing character for no reason, I dont mind being power creep by a new unit but this is just so underhanded. Droping the game.
@makunouchiippo816
@makunouchiippo816 5 ай бұрын
Bye bye.
@vitorrodriguez4278
@vitorrodriguez4278 5 ай бұрын
gaining +1 ranking with this one
@hajkie
@hajkie 5 ай бұрын
Odie doesnt help much due to how much hp mobs have in afk stages hehehe.
@LuZErTX
@LuZErTX 5 ай бұрын
@@hajkie so why 99% players use odie to push early lol
@onlywrongaexthetics6181
@onlywrongaexthetics6181 5 ай бұрын
Take MY goodbye
@Fuzely
@Fuzely 5 ай бұрын
Yeah this season feels A LOT less fun + reward nerfs feel scummy. Back to singleplayer games and Destiny 2 for me lol. I'll prob try it again in a few seasons. Thanks for covering this.
@joeyjoey4333
@joeyjoey4333 5 ай бұрын
The only content creator to address this issue. You deserve our views
@Blanketbook
@Blanketbook 5 ай бұрын
He’s not the only one to speak up.
@toeb1n
@toeb1n 5 ай бұрын
Kinda sucks seeing all of this as someone who started late. My server's season 1 starts in 5 days and all the hype has kind of already been killed. Hoping they can address some of these complaints and appease the player base.
@onlywrongaexthetics6181
@onlywrongaexthetics6181 5 ай бұрын
😢 your hype is weak... Only great hypes can survive. Survival service and natural selection at ITS best
@baye2144
@baye2144 5 ай бұрын
They even changed voicelines and for the worst they left nothing, idk :(
@sleepywitches
@sleepywitches 5 ай бұрын
the only nerf I care is they messed up my baker dress, it looked fluffy and beautiful before, who even thought "oh we must change this, is a crucial change, all the season depends on making this good outfit as ugly as possible" LMAO
@mays_s_tea
@mays_s_tea 5 ай бұрын
yeah same i was so devastated when i looked it. and it doesn't look as beautiful when running anymore 😭 it was so cozy to look at, but now it's... wth is even this
@joshuabo3
@joshuabo3 5 ай бұрын
In my opinion, what needs to be done is a reversal of the boss changes in Dream Real, I think the district reward is ok, in AFK stages I think there needs to be pulls as a reward again, I think it's ok not to have diamonds but the pulls every 10 floors in my opinion need to be returned, I think that in the tower the amount of Tidal Essence needs to be changed to at least 5 but I think that between 8 and 10 is the best, I think there needs to be some other way to get gold, and so Lastly, I think the rewards in the open world need to be better, you get a chest and get 800 xp books, that's ridiculous
@kahashikun
@kahashikun 5 ай бұрын
Glad I heavily invested in Marilee and Korrin because people were telling me to /s. If it was easy to re-invest in other units or re-roll/inherit I would be totally fine with meta shifting (still totally against nerfing in gacha games).
@LuxAthleticPerformance
@LuxAthleticPerformance 5 ай бұрын
They are still incredibly strong units, I get the frustration and I think a hero reset stone would be a viable idea but I dont think it is the end of the world.
@zap7737
@zap7737 5 ай бұрын
dawg, theyre both still two of the top three dps. the only thing that changed, is odie jumped to the top. fucking relax.
@ParkourSuperStar
@ParkourSuperStar 5 ай бұрын
@@zap7737 ya but Marilee seems no play in top comps now, neither Korrin. Meta is like Odi + 3 sups + Torin, and you probably wont use Marilee in a while
@zap7737
@zap7737 5 ай бұрын
@@ParkourSuperStar agree to disagree and 3 supports is overkill, unless you literally just cant stay alive. Marilee still performs great. But then again, people in youtube comments also think Alsa is bad. So saying Marilee is dead, checks out lol.
@panpan9140
@panpan9140 5 ай бұрын
@@zap7737the problem is they are nerfing. What if next time it will be odie’s turn ? Imagine investing a lot then get shafted.
@KatallinaVT
@KatallinaVT 5 ай бұрын
Yes. I've done some light spending, whereas my bf decided to go full f2p, and he says there's a massive difference between song of strife and the experience he had at the start of the game. It's gotta be a tricky thing for this company, because they need whales to keep paying and players to keep playing if they wanna stay in business. And those two things will always be at odds.
@WhatssupYoo
@WhatssupYoo 5 ай бұрын
Didn't they make close to 20M so far? People will keep paying no matter what IF the game is good.
@shopao14
@shopao14 5 ай бұрын
I also experienced something really bad in the supreme arena content where i was lvl 40+ in the current season when i unlocked the game mode. Checking out how it works i tried refreshing opponents and seeing who i could challenge. Exhausting all refreshes all opponents i saw were bots that had mostly supreme plus units with lvls ranging from 100 to 120+ which did not allow me to win matches i should have if the match making was tuned to my current power and lvl. The annoying thing is, once you click on the challenge button, you have to challenge someone or like forfeit a match once the timer runs out. So i feel like i lost either way. Our guild members experienced a similar issue so it is kinda disheartening. Instead of getting excited about the new mode i kinda got pissed for having almost no fighting chance against bots. Mind you some of the lineups the bots had were all mages and marksman, no tank but i got wiped by the Rhys with 1 ult. This happened purely because of the lvl discrepancy since i had mostly supreme units. I still love the game, but i do home they do the "dont take away; just add more value" kinda thing. I dont think taking away from the precedent and bare minimum expectations they set during the first part of the game does them any good and will only lead to negative feedback from the playerbase. Hope they adjust things soon.
@pretty.billy.
@pretty.billy. 5 ай бұрын
I got hated on simuch when I said, watch, first few banners will be skips and they hope you waste your gems on all hero, then they will stop giving pulls/gems and start rolling out must pull units and hope you pay for gems. This game has always been a pay to win trap
@malificajones7674
@malificajones7674 5 ай бұрын
Yep. Florabelle and the latest one... can't even remember her name, are both dogshit. These developers suck. I hope the game bombs.
@makunouchiippo816
@makunouchiippo816 5 ай бұрын
Name a few gacha games that aren't pay to win traps.
@tidf-wh1zg
@tidf-wh1zg 5 ай бұрын
Glad I pulled tho because now Im gonna quit and has no any reason to play this trash game.
@makunouchiippo816
@makunouchiippo816 5 ай бұрын
@@tidf-wh1zg Why you were playing a "trash game" in the first place then? xD
@misshappenedfecility8795
@misshappenedfecility8795 5 ай бұрын
​@@makunouchiippo816arknights
@inb4loss
@inb4loss 5 ай бұрын
Interesting. I was planning how much money I wanted to spend on this game too, but I'll just keep it at the growth pack I bought and pretend it was a single purchase game. Their loss. I had heard good things about the company too, them removing pulls from the game natural economy does not fall in line with that, though.
@karinamae51
@karinamae51 5 ай бұрын
This summer romance has to end. It's over, Lilith 😂
@TheKillerMB1
@TheKillerMB1 5 ай бұрын
I find this the weirdest content loop i have seen in a gacha. Resets all progress every couple months? feels weird to not just add more afk stages and more regions and making it seasonal, also very minimal rewards and limited gold / exp / purple dust again
@astropixx
@astropixx 5 ай бұрын
yeah i stopped playing as soon as i heard that there will be seasons with seasonal levels etc.. also they rushed the new season so fast out like whats the haste for it just makes you push super hard and forces you to play 4hrs a day at least, another trash genshin copy
@ozymandias8523
@ozymandias8523 5 ай бұрын
​@@astropixxbro what that's nothing like Genshin
@sol8531
@sol8531 5 ай бұрын
I dont think the devs thought this through. They thought they had good idea and ran with it
@Gnurkstudios
@Gnurkstudios 5 ай бұрын
Have to buy the Noble path and then buy another noble path for the season is insane? Also nerfing rewards, ofc ppl gonna get mad with that, slowing down rewards and progress is always a bad move. Im just mad about the noble path have to be bought 2 times.. What game does even have TWO battle passes?
@AnimeWineAuntie
@AnimeWineAuntie 5 ай бұрын
So far, it just feels underwhelming and irritating. You worked so hard to progress so you can enjoy the new season, but then it kicks off and it feels… meh. Like you worked hard to participate in a fun thing advertised as a hype party, and you show up and it’s half a box of stale donuts and a dirty water cooler.
@catalan500_8
@catalan500_8 5 ай бұрын
I was competing in the top 100 as a free to play and now with this change I’m struggling just to stay in the top 200
@onlywrongaexthetics6181
@onlywrongaexthetics6181 5 ай бұрын
😢 natural selection on ITS best
@danielhaynes2485
@danielhaynes2485 5 ай бұрын
This may get a lot of hate but tbh I expected this. They aren’t going to get everything right the first time. All I’m asking is that the devs try to smooth everything out before seasons release and stay consistent with protecting the player experience. If people invested in one thing then you changed it overcompensation along with communication is need. I’m someone who doesn’t mind spending a little and was ready to drop a few bucks but what made me pause was them changing the release of characters. That was a yellow light for me to slow down and wait a few days/weeks to see how the season shakes out before investing. If the devs get the grace and flexibility to make changes to people’s investments, then players should get the grace (compensation) and flexibility to adjust to changes made. Hopefully this made sense Tashman! Thanks for the great vid!
@mattk7251
@mattk7251 5 ай бұрын
I dislike the server groupings, it definitely hurt my performance. I was getting top 10 in Dream Realm, now I can't even get top 20. I also dislike the fact the investment into Marilee and Koren were completely wasted, as I no longer use them in Dream Realm. They need to add a low cost diamond option to reset a unit and get refunded materials when they make drastic changes.
@WhatssupYoo
@WhatssupYoo 5 ай бұрын
IF they add a way to reset a unit it has to be for free since they are already gutting rewards left and right. Even then I don't think that would make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things.
@makunouchiippo816
@makunouchiippo816 5 ай бұрын
All I can see here is complaining that you are not on top anymore. Go invest some money and you will be there again. That's what gacha games are about: They want you to spend real money in order to be able to be on top at the rankings. If you don't wanna do that then you should avoid playing gacha games.
@mattk7251
@mattk7251 5 ай бұрын
​@@makunouchiippo816 Guess they did the opposite, I don't care to spend anywhere near as much anymore... And by how unhappy a lot of players are, not sure if it was a shot in the foot, or a chance for whales to spend even more. We'll see how next revenue month is.
@makunouchiippo816
@makunouchiippo816 5 ай бұрын
@@mattk7251 Majority of people who are complaining are free to play people on newer servers who tried avoiding playing on whale servers like server 1,2,5,8,33,49,65 etc. So if they quit it's no big issue for the revenue. Only whales count and they don't really care at all because the damage calculation/balance change is not a big impact. All that was changed is that Odie is now top tier DPS instead of MariLee and MariLee is now second best DPS instead of first. Now that we are having districts this advantage will be gone sooner or later for free to plays which is why they are complaining just like you did here.
@zeer7676
@zeer7676 5 ай бұрын
@@makunouchiippo816 no f2p is complaining about noble path/growth rewards being nerfed. They should be glad it did, It's mostly low and mid spenders that are complaining about the change, bud.
@el33tkrew
@el33tkrew 5 ай бұрын
Please let them know about purple dust, people who missed out doing damage on primals are lacking purple dust and xp books. People who just did more damage in on my server are 40k+ dust ahead of me when we both reached 240 the same time…
@Ndoelicious
@Ndoelicious 5 ай бұрын
yeah sure you get a pity pull (for dupes) every week for free compared to lets say, Genshin, Arknights, HSR, etc. But dupes ARE the game in AFK Journey. In most gacha games, you can finish every content with any character regardless of pull to a certain degree but almost all of the time, but definitely not in here. Bad RNG? Well, too bad, that's probably a week of useless grinding to get another resource to get you to pity. This got worse once SoS starts because your grind means less reward as well unlike other gacha games where you gets the same premium currency(different themed seasonal rewards) since like it is since the beginning of the game, but not anymore. Here's the thing though, I think Journey frontloaded the rewards to get you to max available characters, and now we're just left with less rewards. In most popular gacha games, new patch/season means "interesting" new characters, places, minigames, stories, while Journey gives the same, this other "interesting" other teams are not really there. Meh characters, stories, barely interactibles world, more expensive new currency but less impactful (unless to clear old contents). Imagine, HALF of your character skills are locked behind dupes, so again, bad roll means you get nothing. Tbh, Journey is by far the most P2W gacha games I've ever played, even on the competitive sides. Especially because dupes also gated your PvE or non-PVP progress.
@eee12335
@eee12335 4 ай бұрын
for me soul land still the worst P2w lol
@Dan_Slee
@Dan_Slee 5 ай бұрын
These seasons sounds like a nightmare. I'm not there yet, but it already sounds like just like the rest of the game so far... convoluted, not well thought out, limited expansion, crazy purchases that aren't worth it. The shocking thing is this game is what 2 months old? And there's 8 billion convoluted and confusing battle modes and side add on events that you normally would only see in an older game where they are releasing add on content. I've been playing a few weeks at this point, and while it is fun, I'm having serious doubts due to the above as to whether I should keep playing or not. As fun as it is.. this game already has so many problems and is still so new. And the problems aren't a result of it being new, more of how it was implemented and the odd amount of battle modes and confusing character progression.
@kitsune220
@kitsune220 5 ай бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels underwhelmed. Being able to refund materials is a necessity in this type of game. And nerfing rewards is pointless. Whales will whale and low spenders/f2ps will find a new game. It only kills the game more quickly by leaning into p2w
@dandan3045
@dandan3045 5 ай бұрын
Distyle all over again. Super great launch and then when the first event / season drops Lilith shows you what they want the game to be.
@SoulCodeZ
@SoulCodeZ 5 ай бұрын
Positively making change in a game is understandable but they just made a niche unit(Mari and Korin) less viable for a mode they were used for. Odie has been good for every mode so why indirectly buff him for DR. Odie is monopolizing meta now which is forced and unsolicited, what if they suddenly nerf Odie cause ‘meta-shift’ and blame it on “gacha always has power creep”. All f2p and lower spenders will suffer, this change is something that is more easily avoidable than introducing a unit that power creeps older units. This is a bad practice which will force people to spend more to stay relevant, in guise of “meta shift” compared to what most Gacha practices. F2p and low spenders will never have shot at being relevant unlike most gacha where long term players are somewhat relevant in ladders. They could have introduce new bosses with said mechanics but they applied it on seasonal DR boss, in other words, every DR boss for next 4 months until new season starts. They really wanted to remove 'True dmg' meta and bring Odie in for everything, which in turn could be a step to their next agenda. P.S. they nerfed tickets, I get it, this is not the start of the season by now players probably have resources to roll. But why would you nerf resources like essence, you should be giving more or same amount of it now that many players have upgraded units from first season that require upgrades. I can't understand logic behind AFKJ devs, just a capitalist agenda to manipulate meta/resources to control the market to favor p2w.
@bigjosh36
@bigjosh36 5 ай бұрын
I think personally looking from the outside in (my server doesn't start s1 till next week). The world loot and the stage loot (afk stages, legend trials, abyss etc.) Need a hard reset to comparably last season. The more players feel like they're making no progression whilst playing your game, is just a death sentence to the game. Being more proactive and allowing players to feel progression is important at its core
@klamsanac8173
@klamsanac8173 5 ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat with S1 starting next week. It really looks like they want to squeeze as much money out of the players as possible. They got us hooked with the crazy generosity this preseason. I made the comment multiple times to my friends at how plentiful pulls are, but that was never going to be the status quo for f2p...
@bdubyah
@bdubyah 5 ай бұрын
as a light spender, I don't have delusions of being able to compete with whales. I'm playing for fun, not to top leader boards, and I'm having an absolute blast with the game. also, going this Season route will give different characters time to shine. now Marilee isn't as meta, next season Odie might not be meta. or Cecia. or Rowan. it's just how the season gets set up
@Natsuke1104
@Natsuke1104 5 ай бұрын
The game died, i can feel my favourite "i quit" video from the tashed man.
@vCharliee
@vCharliee 5 ай бұрын
Nerfing characters in gacha games is so scummy to me
@thoukers9277
@thoukers9277 5 ай бұрын
went from being top200 dream realm fully f2p to being barely in the top 20%...
@curtj52
@curtj52 5 ай бұрын
It’s total and complete incompetence. The massive failure of this patch release is staggeringly bad and shocking.
@vitorrodriguez4278
@vitorrodriguez4278 5 ай бұрын
was this typed by a reporter with nothing else to investigate
@justaordinarygorilladontmi7095
@justaordinarygorilladontmi7095 5 ай бұрын
Man, I'm an old fan of their other game called Dislyte, it was an amazing experience which I dare say a lot better than my experience at AFK Journey, it had so much potential! But season after season... It was disappointment after disappointment, because of their greed and lack of rewards but mostly contents they give, I can't say they're the same right now but the paterns shows and I'm afraid I'll lose something I started to enjoy again, it's not only P2W that's making games alive but F2P too, it's the community that builds it.
@SweeeetLovex3
@SweeeetLovex3 5 ай бұрын
thank you for adressing these issues, hope we can get some feedback to the devs
@khuff8210
@khuff8210 5 ай бұрын
It's just the season rewards for me. Balance changes are hard but necessary
@johnyprigioni859
@johnyprigioni859 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for posting this, we need to talk about this and raise awareness.
@Gyrus1
@Gyrus1 5 ай бұрын
I dont care about my rank or change of meta. I only wish that we have access to all resources even by a little. Example(temporal essence 1st season, now red essence second strife season). Only top rankers. Have access to them daily.
@johnjragster1910
@johnjragster1910 5 ай бұрын
There's two ways that devs can band aid this, considering they listen (i hope). It's either: Return the reward system from the previous season so that the grind doesn't feel so empty OR Just remove the whole true damage reduction thing but the rewards will stay the same. You can't have both, devs must appease their higher-ups after all. Besides, meta changes every day, month, and year, but having TRUE damage reduction is something else
@vitorrodriguez4278
@vitorrodriguez4278 5 ай бұрын
I'm a f2p to player and my opinion is a different to what most people have. First all, other f2p players being upset over the fact p2w players are getting better rewards makes no sense. The only reason I, and everyone else playing f2p can only do so, because someone else is paying for the game, so of course they deserve better rewards than us, complaining about not being able to get the top rewards because "there's too many whales" is just bad mentality. You should not put yourself in the same league as someone who is getting more resources by paying. Second, yes, there is in general, less rewards in this season compared to the previous one, but honestly i completly i understand that. If f2p players got all of those resources every month, it would be super easy to max out a team and start competing with people that pay for the game. I've been playing for about a month and a half and I'm already on my way to my 3rd supreme character, and I'm sure I'm not playing the most optimally. If they kept the rewards up at this rate, in 2 months I could build a fully supreme team with +10 and +15 EQ characters and probably catch up with some p2w players, which is just bad for them, they are paying they deserve to stay on top. The only thing I really disagree with is the fact you can't get back the resources you invested in a character, especially when it gets nerfed. Luckily for me, I didn't invest in Marilee or Korin (even though I was just waiting for some more pulls to start investing), but by reading some of the comments I see this is a pretty big issue and I would be mad too if it happened to me. Temporal essence is not easy to come by and getting that stuck on a character that is no longer that good is not fun Besides that, I think what was said on 13:28 is exactly what most people need to hear. Really well said.
@namlam280
@namlam280 5 ай бұрын
Finally found an opinion that I can agree with 🎉
@SilverneilZZ
@SilverneilZZ 5 ай бұрын
yup this is how typical Lilith games handle their games I'm only play this game just until Wuthering waves release This is what happen to Dislyte too
@xephionsaketzu
@xephionsaketzu 5 ай бұрын
they need to add a way to reset the ex weapons for free every season maybe 1 to 3 per season and they do have to increase the rewards for doing stages, battle drill rewards number 4/5 need to give letters again and the chest need to give letters too is more fun that way. but besides that i think the game is fine, the story is great... Alsa AI needs some fixing she gets stuck too often and sometimes her attacks dont do dmg if the enemy moves that makes no sense
@remnants9974
@remnants9974 5 ай бұрын
I think giving you a way to reset the weapons would be a great compromise for when there's a significant change that affects the usefulness of a character. because duh, changes are going to happen if the game is to last, or it would get stale fast, but it does suck with how hard it is to get those essences to level a character's weapon, to the point where you could potentially screw yourself over by investing in the "wrong" character. alternatively they could make the essence more accessible though I get it can't be *too* easy to get, but it needs to be more than it is now.
@GamingAlex1
@GamingAlex1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you , for me the first 42 days before the season was gold , good enough for free to play so they can get to end game , in a game like this you never look at the ranks , the only problem was the gold essence that was just extremely pay to win to get , saw pack that you can buy 200 and thats insane , if you think about the amount of time you need to get in top to get those . Well leaving that aside , i am the type of player that needs a goal for me to get excited , and when you knew like wow in the next 5 afk stanges i will get 1 more ticket so i can do another 10 pull was so exciting , tring to beat hard content in the open world in deficit as well was verry rewarding , the tower is a joke now getting 2 essence every 5 stages , i dont even touch that , but also in the afk stages only getting essence and gear for pushing ,it made me so mad , also another one are the Corputed creatures i was so excited when i saw those now they are like nothiing as well . I really hope they are going to do something about this .
@carlosrrrl7741
@carlosrrrl7741 5 ай бұрын
Maybe it's just me but, the game feels pretty boring after about a month. Idk gameplay feels kinda repetitive, no reason to try at all when I can just wait 1 or 2 days to effortlessly clear any content, the only way to build characters is by pulling multiple copies from the gacha, getting new characters doesn't feel exciting anymore cause why would I use an epic rank instead of my supremes. Just feels like something is missing.
@knightsblight
@knightsblight 5 ай бұрын
They should add respawning enemies so there is something to do once everythings dead
@G0D5L4Y3R
@G0D5L4Y3R 5 ай бұрын
The requirements to participate in the season are fkn stupid
@nencrows_4580
@nencrows_4580 5 ай бұрын
I disagree with that because the new season is actually hard. You need end game gear(at least 230 on average) from the normal world along with the new gear to progress. If you unlocked it easily you wouldn't be progressing to begin with.
@shanman3
@shanman3 5 ай бұрын
then only thing that’s stupid is you pal
@wingedspear1
@wingedspear1 5 ай бұрын
Allow us to rollback our characters so we can invest those resources on characters that actually matter (throwing marilee into the trash)
@NumotVT
@NumotVT 5 ай бұрын
Im so happy the Content Creators are on our side, because if the CC's are Mad, the F2P's are mad and the Spender's are mad and mass refunding make this will push Lilith to make the right decision
@mamutv3522
@mamutv3522 5 ай бұрын
If your game jumps to the top 5 in revenue of gacha games you should be thanking the player base with gifts and cool things. Instead Lillith decides to swindle its player base by cutting rewards all over the place. If they thought that would go over well they are delusional. If they planned to make up the lost rewards with events they should say SO but SO far not a word.
@iMarcism
@iMarcism 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for covering this. This will reach out to more players and we will vote with our wallets and stop playing the game.
@vortex5537
@vortex5537 5 ай бұрын
This season suck ass fr
@XMS1212X
@XMS1212X 5 ай бұрын
It sucks and most of us can’t even play it yet 😂
@beardedcat9744
@beardedcat9744 5 ай бұрын
@@XMS1212XAre they really gating the season from specific servers? That’s cringe asf. 💀
@malificajones7674
@malificajones7674 5 ай бұрын
@@beardedcat9744 Yep, I still can't play it on my server.
@JasonLee92
@JasonLee92 5 ай бұрын
@@beardedcat9744well you need to be resonance lvl 240 in order to play the new season. New servers wont be able to reach max lvl that fast
@XMS1212X
@XMS1212X 5 ай бұрын
@@beardedcat9744 yeah I have 3 more days until I can actually play the update that a bunch of KZbinrs got involved in first
@i-ush6349
@i-ush6349 5 ай бұрын
"Why are people crying about the mariliee nerf and not about the odie buff?" I understand about the lesser rewards in the seasonal game modes and content. But why are crybabies crying in the comments and everywhere about the true damage nerf. Their investment is not going into vain, mariliee is still the 2nd best damage dealer after odie. Don't forget that your odie as well as other heroes are also buffed by this adjustment. I bet most of the people who have built marilee also has built their odie. Then why complain about this damage adjustment on dream realm.
@JessyPinkman-yl5ow
@JessyPinkman-yl5ow 5 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you mate
@i-ush6349
@i-ush6349 5 ай бұрын
In all honesty, the changes to how dmg reduction ramps up for the dr bosses aren't terrible. I think they meant to make other heroes viable with it, but went a tad overboard. Also, literally every content creator/guide that I've seen (at least that I remember seeing) recommended building odie 1st over marilee, because he's much more versatile... if you didn't listen, that's on you. The actual things to be complaining about are the decreases in chest/event/guild battle/noble path/legend trial/afk stage rewards. Do keep in mind though, these things aren't going to help you catch up to the whales... they will only help push the whales farther ahead, as they'll be getting them too. Just my take on everything.
@TheKaevman
@TheKaevman 5 ай бұрын
Good video ty. I have some suggestions: 1. Be able to select auto or manual mode for a hero (and speed) before starting battle. 2. Be able to set three different combinations that the game will try in AFK mode before ending Auto Battle. (I dislike a game being called AFK but I have to continuously tend it) 3. Preset target prio or behaviour. (why you making me do manual stuff??)
@intoxicode
@intoxicode 5 ай бұрын
really dont have too many complaints other than the noble trial being p2w and giving level advantages. biggest thing for me is make legend trial rewards 5x for 5 floors.. ALSO MOVE the inspect player button and report. there's been so many times im clicking on report player by accident when picking up items or talking to npcs
@LuZErTX
@LuZErTX 5 ай бұрын
Its not only rewards, overall quality of update is garbage (data errors, visual bugs, literal placeholder valen instead of shakir in the new city and many other things)
@sagbobstza
@sagbobstza 5 ай бұрын
Hey TashMan, if you are using OBS to record you can use window capture mode instead of the screen capture mode to record in full screen even if the game is windowed.
@Ayden-vy5te
@Ayden-vy5te 5 ай бұрын
The summon rate is horrible. I am so used to the crazy amount of reward with Afk Arena, that Afk journey is just not f2p friendly at all. THE VIP systems is horible compare to afk arena. I spent some $ on the game, especially monthly pass, and noble path. Which helped me alot. With the current changes, I don't even feels like monthly pass and nobel path is worth it anymore. At this point, I rather quit even if I used to maintain top 40-50 before they decided to nerf many things, character and changes boss as well server merge competing.
@toniropa
@toniropa 5 ай бұрын
One way to avoid these kinds of problems is to use test servers. They simply released the season at the same time on these servers as on the global one. Just like in Honkai Star Rail, there have to be test servers for people to try things out before the global release.
@Floppyfishflop
@Floppyfishflop 5 ай бұрын
Keep in mind with odie he can insta proc the seasonal passive because triple tap counts as 3 auto attacks
@jrocch29
@jrocch29 5 ай бұрын
Gachas should never do such extreme nerfs to characters or damage types when people spend actual money to invest in these characters. This isn't a standard mmo or rpg where everyone can just swap in a different character if something gets nerfed. Very thoughtless and inconsiderate of a company to make that extreme of a change. I thankfully have Odie as well but I wish I could get the resources I put into Marilee and Korin back.
@DestroyEvilCo
@DestroyEvilCo 5 ай бұрын
Great takes, sure would love improvements but people forget how much rewards we have already gotten and its an AFK game
@windows7877
@windows7877 5 ай бұрын
I was top 20 consistent in dream realm before season, full f2p, now i am top 10%. Crushed
@filipivan5125
@filipivan5125 5 ай бұрын
The good old, be nice at the beginning and then pull the rug once u peaked… 30+ promo codes in one month was worrying.
@professorkazz1154
@professorkazz1154 5 ай бұрын
My countdown timer said 1 day until the new season. Then reset came around tonight and it said 23 hrs until the new season. Wtf?? I have been sitting here at 240 for a while just waiting for the new season so I can't even comment too much on what it feels like. Not sure if that's also intentional by the devs to slow the outcry from the community because it's going to take a while for all the players to actually start playing the new content.
@ArceusGamingFC
@ArceusGamingFC 5 ай бұрын
Correction MTashed the yellow chests only give the regular tickets in the first areas of Holistone like 20 of them after that they don't have regular envelopes anymore.
@qrzone8167
@qrzone8167 5 ай бұрын
Will probably just put this game to rest. I realized that after the main questline and a month of playing that the fun of watching numbers go up wore off. Switching goals to competitive is a no go because its not a skill competition, its a money spending marathon. Honor duels was the only great thing about this game, but it gets old after a while. I probably would have gotten more play value buying DLC for other games than buying battlepasses and packs for a gacha game, but I hadnt really played a gacha game up until I tried this, so its not like i could have known. Solid 8/10 game for the first month, 6/10 past that. Props to yall who are going to stick with it.
@FinnedOcean9389
@FinnedOcean9389 5 ай бұрын
The gacha trap. I had hope, but it was ripped from me. When i noticed that fighting enemies that were half a million power below me wasn't enough to beat them, it tripped me out a lot. Like Klutch said, wuthering waves waiting room at this point; but since playing PGR it might also have that tapering off of rewards making progression way too time consuming. Small note: The state of gaming nowadays has turned into a chore. Players have optimised the fun out of gaming these days, making nothing fun to play ever again. I go back to games made 15, 20 years ago because they're not impossibly grindy, they have a nice progression and a nice story.
@rossawkeegan
@rossawkeegan 5 ай бұрын
I just took Marilee to +10 a few days before the season started so I'm pretty salty about the boss changes. Having pretty much everything reset and heavily rewarding bigger spenders every season start is defo not something I think I'll stick around for long term. How long until we hit max season level? Max AFK stages, Max gear? Regrinding everything I literally just finished a week ago is not a fun experience for me.
@xarinth1
@xarinth1 5 ай бұрын
worth noting that the noble path is also giving a LOT less this time than it did before (both F2P and Pay.)
@ultimate3928
@ultimate3928 5 ай бұрын
Id like to see more modes/content that equal across all accounts. Like honor duel. Maybe a weekly tower where everyone has the same team and its based off clear speed and skill expression. Sometimes this game feels it rewards spending instead of being skillful
@gamebug363
@gamebug363 5 ай бұрын
I had my concerns before the season is about to release. I also played other games made by Lilith. They implement the season stuff in the game, which is first very good to play but later on it is an endless loop. Seasons keep on repeating. After the season, your season progress will be lost because its temporary. Then you have to spend money on the same thing each time the season repeats. Its like your money is went into garbage after the season ends and restart your progress from the next season. There is another thing that might be implement in this game like their other game, like you can equip some passive skills of other heroes that are no longer in meta. But the skill level depends on whether you invested in that hero or not. There are many other things but lets see how they goes with this game
@numbersabcdefg
@numbersabcdefg 5 ай бұрын
I used all my gold upgrading artifacts and heroes. It's seasonal. What happens at the end of the season? I just lose the gold used? Refund after season?
@ButteryCowEgg
@ButteryCowEgg 5 ай бұрын
99% chance there is no gold refund after the season
@Safineya
@Safineya 5 ай бұрын
You lose it all. What else do you expect? Just pay us money so you can get more stuff that was normally available for free before! The fking studio probably.
@vitorrodriguez4278
@vitorrodriguez4278 5 ай бұрын
why would it be refunded? you're using using gold to upgrade artifacts and heroes, so you can more easily progress through the season, getting all of the rewards it has to offer. if you don't wanna invest in them then don't, see how far you can get through the season.
@TimoNaaro
@TimoNaaro 5 ай бұрын
Another thing that helps odie is seasonal artifact magic defense shred. We did not have any viable magic defense shred in game before. Like for physical we have kruger.
@panpan9140
@panpan9140 5 ай бұрын
The thing im most upset is the Nerf on True Damagers Korin and Marille. Dream realm was their niche and now it was taken away. Whats thier specialty now ? I have spent a little on this game and will never again or play liliths future games. THIS IS A GACHA GAME NOT A MOBA WHY TF THEY NERF RELEASED HEROES.
@julylopez8217
@julylopez8217 5 ай бұрын
I’m a new player and started playing the game cause you made it seem cool. The game is being hard a hell on me right now as a F2P player and I don’t even know how to start seasons. Now I’m at to the point where I just log in collect and that’s it, maybe 7 mins smh
@klamsanac8173
@klamsanac8173 5 ай бұрын
Honestly a "salvage mechanic" to pull resources off a built Marilee or Korin even if it's a limited item that allows you to do it would lessen the sting of dumping a tone of resources in characters that are now objectively weaker post season update. I saw people saying that there's already a similar mechanic in AFK Arena so I'm sure Lilith is already considering it.
@lxlYukilxl
@lxlYukilxl 5 ай бұрын
This kinda remind me of the afk arena situation, many invested heavily on Ainz and lucretia and then they got completely replaced with units like liberta, rem, lucilla and such. Players who never played afk arena need to brace themselves for future updates, cause when lillith decides to nerf or powercreep a unit it's going to be tough, unless they are liberta level which I doubt will happen anytime soon
@wulfgrimtv4764
@wulfgrimtv4764 5 ай бұрын
Man it's wild, start of the game overloads you with resources to pull to your hearts content, and it slows down? Man that's never happened in a Gacha game ever. I'd love more pulls, but I understand that games like this want you to buy pulls to be 'on top' and I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't think the incidental nerfs to Marilee and Korin (Both of who I have built up) is really that bad. Sure, it sucks, but they are ALL you needed for Dream Realm, period. They could practically Solo you to max rewards, everyone else was pretty mediocre. I don't even think they're that bad now, just not doing 80% of the work between the two of them, and letting other characters do stuff, I think that's fine. I 1000% agree with the pacing issues though, I get its an AFK game, but its fun to explore and do stuff. Pacing just seems pretty weird when you're being walled off 4 hours in, and I hope the next season they do the pacing better. I want to see the story lol. I think some of the complaints are valid, but a lot of it just seems like whining to me. People wanna be the top, without spending anything, and it isn't going to happen. I love the game, haven't spent yet, but might actually grab these Season Passes to support a bit, because they're cheap compared to most games. Just fix the pacing of the season going forward lol.
@darn0k1
@darn0k1 5 ай бұрын
I like your interest in this game and hope that you will play it for a long time.
@curtj52
@curtj52 5 ай бұрын
My guild master doesn’t want me to quit that’s the only reason I haven’t refunded/uninstalled. I’ll log in and do some fun chores. That’s all the game is now a money grabbing chore simulator. Go outside and touch grass xD
@hakim_isa
@hakim_isa 5 ай бұрын
I somehow understand why they remove the marilee meta. Here’s what i think (sort of backing afk in a sense😂): 1. Last season is more on lightbearer clan, quite a number of its characters deal true dmg, so of course the meta is skewing to it. 2. this season it’s about maulers, so they ramping up raw magic / physics dmg in DR. 3. They already declare they are trying to make changes every season to remove OP/ meta game style
@hakim_isa
@hakim_isa 5 ай бұрын
Dang, i hope afk pay me some😜
@goddesschild24
@goddesschild24 5 ай бұрын
Oh, they Nerfed Noble Path all right. Not only did they Nerf it, but you have to pay for it a second time even if you already bought it this month. On top of that the growth path thing? it was only $19.99 when i bought it the first time iirc, and now it's $29.99. And supposedly less rewards. So they want you to pay more for less rewards and be grateful for it. They're out of their fcking minds if they think that I personally or anyone else who spends their money responsibly on these type of predatory microtransaction games is going to pay 10 bucks twice (this month anyway) for noblepath.and then double the cost for the growth path pack. Especially when they've already proved that without any remorse whatsoever make predatory changes to their game without any regards to their player base. I mean I am sure there are people out there with more money than brains, that will just throw that extra 40 bucks at them, but a lot of us would rather spend our money responsibly and I really don't want to give my money to someone who is so disrespectful to their player base. I would rather spend that $29.99 and $9.99 on Honkai and pull for Robin, Topaz, or Fu Xuan. Because at least I know that they're damage percentage isn't going to get nerfed a few months after getting them.
@moderador9756
@moderador9756 5 ай бұрын
if they dont give me what i want its fine ,wuthering waves its around the corner so i can quit any second this game
@richs347
@richs347 5 ай бұрын
I knew this video was coming, I figured with the true damage nerf F2P are having a hard time to catch up if they heavily spent on Marilee and Korin to feel competitive. But with the nerf it sets them back again.
@KHe4rtl3ss
@KHe4rtl3ss 5 ай бұрын
2 other things that should be talked about are the inequality between servers themselves and between district themselves. Players on bigger servers get punished simply because they are playing on a bigger server. If you are in a server with 10000 active players (some of the early servers) there are only 200 top spots. That is 2% of the entire server. If you are playing on a emptier server with 1000 active players, the top 200 has spots for a total of 20% of the entire server. A game that is all about rankings, but it isn't even fair between servers themselves. "Just start a new account" is the most common advice, which goes to show how bad it is. Same thing with the districts. Some districts are 10 times easier. Why do people in harder/bigger districts get punished? What did these players do wrong? There should be more top rankings available the bigger the server is. Every player should have equal opportunity. But that isn't the case. Your Top 10% is Top 80 on some other servers. The other thing is the champion store. Stargazer orbs are essential. Locking 20+ pulls out for non champion rank people is demoralizing. The top players already get extra rewards and with the supreme arena will get even more extra rewards. Why lock the store out for 90% of the players? And they are starting to put more items into the store, as expected.
@vitorrodriguez4278
@vitorrodriguez4278 5 ай бұрын
wasn't even aware of a champions store, but i agree with you, locking it behind a fixed number of players is unfair for larger servers. If they did it only for the top 5% or 10% it would be more fair.
@Magaman1001
@Magaman1001 5 ай бұрын
I'm f2p and I've gotten into the new season yesterday, and I like it. Don't really mind about these things but it is surprising how terrible it is for the many other people who are trying to stay on top.
@Megaman2DK
@Megaman2DK 5 ай бұрын
Wait so no gems or letters from AFK stages is crazy. That was the biggest source for all players... Guess they milked enough money from pre season to not care about players anymore.
@CroverYT
@CroverYT 5 ай бұрын
I do hope theres any way to play or transfer with other servers as well. Kinda a big leap but it feels better knowing youre playing with friends on the same server, gives u more things to do with em or just have fun with rankings/guilds and other stuff
@_Libosido
@_Libosido 5 ай бұрын
Biggest issue what I see is no reason to play for F2P and low spenders. Noble path was nerfed into the ground -> no A-tier units, no acorns, no epic invite letters. No acorns in Legend trials, less rewards in Dream realm etc. - everything was reseted into the ground and whole point of "new season" _(and rewards)_ is go to back on your lost max-lvl point _(without any account progression)_ ?! I will finish previous Noble path then go off for few weeks ... maybe returnee rewards will be more rewarding than playing the game right now...
@onlywrongaexthetics6181
@onlywrongaexthetics6181 5 ай бұрын
😢 peasant
@hipunpun
@hipunpun 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown mr tashed
@Safineya
@Safineya 5 ай бұрын
Excuse me they NERFED MARILEE AND KORIN? I fucking finally got marilee to mythic + TODAY and I got her weapon to +15 AND NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME SHE IS FUCKING NERFED? Yea I will wuit the game if she doesn't perform as well in a few days when the season starts on my server. You telling me people SHOULDN'T BE MAD???? Nah the company is again only catoring to the p2w players and gonna screw f2p HARD just like in AFK Arena.
@shiggityshwa182
@shiggityshwa182 5 ай бұрын
I was saving dream point or whatever until I did more pulls to get Mythic+ Odie so I could see who was closest between Marilee or Korin and bought 12 copies of Marilee to get Mythic+ and +10 weapon 2 days before the patch. On top of all the other crap I quit yesterday.
@chris71350able
@chris71350able 5 ай бұрын
I mean put odie and marilee tgt and u still around top 100 though unless ur server have many spenders 😅
@JasonLee92
@JasonLee92 5 ай бұрын
Well i guess every season there will be nerfs and buffs to characters. To freshen up the meta like AFK arena.
@SF_Zoom
@SF_Zoom 5 ай бұрын
​​@@JasonLee92 There is a difference between some characters getting new buffs/skills and all of a sudden become meta and can perform on the level of existing champs or mabye better... AND actually nerfing characters we specificaly invested ALL of our resources in.. Now good luck in PvE/PvP with leaderboards tied rewards 😂
@Seemyhammer
@Seemyhammer 5 ай бұрын
The nerf was days ago when the patch came out amigo
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