Why People Hate The New Big Hit Male Group Trainee A

bighit has finalized their newest boy group - trainee a, and people couldn’t be more excited for their debut. however, not everything is super great. there are many controversies surrounding trainee a and their members to be - leo, sangwon, and others. stick around to find out more about trainee a members and subscribe to kookielit for other kpop news.
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[@fromisfans]

tbh, it's kinda unfair that the other members are also getting hate because of that one member who wrote the most questionable rap lyrics ever... the rest didn't really do anything wrong, it's just him that messed up real bad so idk why the others are also getting hated:(

[@user-ps8xc5cf6p]

Well to be fair the other members were hyping him up while he sung that stuff in the vlog...so I dunno, it's a bit iffy that they sat on the side and hyped him up like he was singing the best shit ever. None the less they're gonna debut and in time they're just gonna have to show growth from their mistakes... like scandals like these unfortunately will be overcome and swept under the rug and only be brought up in fanwars on twitter not having any real affect.

[@deniel2339]

@Zhong Chenle leo

[@chpxvtae4518]

The member LEO. He wrote misogynistic lyrics about killing women because he was “angry”. I seriously don’t like him at and would hope that he gets removed from the lineup because that guy is literally bringing nothing to the group except hate. I would’ve forgotten his actions but that man is literally Australian and definitely knew what he was doing while writing those disgusting lyrics.

[@elixir6793]

they hyped him up

[@deniel2339]

@@chpxvtae4518 and the fact that he's aware of what he wrote then proceed to said that we shouldn't give attention to the lyrics

[@g.k8573]

I understand not wanting to stan them because of what Leo wrote but hating on them because most of them aren't korean!? What!? I've seen xenophobic comments towards them and it's completely ridiculous. Why does that matter!? I just want to listen to music, i couldn't care less about their nationalities Edit: 11 June - Since I have made this comment, there has been numerous arguments over this situation.and I will say this again. Even though he has apologised and some idols have done worse, doesn't mean you have to forgive Leo. I have ,PERSONALLY, decided to give him another chance because I have done it so many times when idols do or say something racist. BUT just because I do, DOESN'T mean anyone has too!! And STOP COMPARING THIS SITUATION TO DIFFERENT IDOLS!!! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LEO, NOT BTS OR ANY OTHER K-POP ARTISTS SO SHUT THE HELL UP! And yes I do Stan Trainee A but I'm calling something out that needs to be said! Sexism and misogyny has been to normalised around the world and people need to stop making excuses for them. I also want to state, Leo actually acknowledge his mistake and said he is trying to change when Trainee A went to busk at Venice Beach. He has PUBLICLY addressed in in front of hundreds and hundreds of people. Still then, people don't have to accept his apology and everyone (fan or not) should be allowed to criticize him for his lyrics. Edit (25th Aug 2022): Leo has left Trainee A. I still won't defend his lyrics but I can't believe you bullied him so much that it was affecting his mental health severely and now he has left the group. You bullied him into giving up. Are you happy now!? Yes, his lyrics were gross, but you sending him hate and death threats makes you gross too. The K-pop community needs to do better. Situations like these causes idols to (TW) commit suicide. You CAN criticise someone without telling them to KTS. I hope u are proud of yourselves. You guys are ridiculous

[@Sakinocchi]

It's koreans... ofc they are xenophobic lol On one hand, I understand cause it's kpop and they are promoting in a korean country On another, what are they, the supreme race? 😭 these people are learning their languages, it's not like they dgaf... they want to debut in korea for a reason

[@changed3873]

Could you tell me what Leo did?

[@imtee4315]

@@changed3873 i wanna know too

[@imtee4315]

@@montty_d9908 ohh yes I've heard about this! everyone deserves a chance, but judging about how strict the terms for becoming an idol are im gonna be really disappointed if he actually makes it. many idols have lost their carrer for many stupid little reasons. this can't just go overlooked. im an army, moa and engene but im not planning in stanning this group at all. they might release good music and I'll listen to it but I don't wanna have to do anything with the group. that is unacceptable no matter if he apologized or not, makes me wonder what kind of family raised him

[@brennathecatlover4360]

@@imtee4315 then why do u Stan Bts who have done wayyy worse things than Leo and haven’t apologized 😂

[@Ara_520]

In the showdown he performed 3 songs (the message of each one is important). It was a fictional storyline where a girl who was a gold digger manipulated him for money. The first song was when he was upset, some of the lyrics were ‘girl let go before you kill me slowly, thought it was love wasn’t meant to be’ 2nd song he talks about how he has money and she played him because of it ‘you know ima ball ima have it’, ‘I got these racks’ and now referencing the girl ‘b*tches done played with me’. And the 3rd song talks about how the girl can’t live without the money she used him for. And this is where the situations been misunderstood, taken out of context and false lies have been spread. Leo used and modified the song ‘stop breathing’ by playboy carti. Which ISNT a song about abusing women but about his friend who got murdered. meaning of the song:“Stop Breathing” is a high-energy punk-rap homage to Gucci Mane’s “Shirt Off,” an ode to Carti’s gang members, as well as a brutal diss track aimed at incarcerated ATL rapper Ola Runt and his Henchmen gang. The Henchmen killed a close friend of Carti’s named Bigg Sosa, which is what prompted Carti to channel his anger into this diss" The ‘stop breathing’ part in the song also wasn’t about hurting women, it was about girls going breathless when seeing playboy carti topless. Leo used these stop breathing lyrics to reference that she couldnt live without his money (which was clearly a poor decision)‘fuck that hoe in my bank’ is saying fuck her for using the money in my bank+‘took that bitch to the store’again references how he would spend money on her. Leo clearly didn’t think enough about the lyrics and this is evident by the fact that he said (in the now deleted vlog) his focus/effort was in the actual performance not the lyrics. The actual words he said on the vlog: " don't focus too much on the lyrics or meaning, I prepared myself thinking about the vibe of the performance"Leo modelled his stage after Playboy Cartis performance of ‘stop breathing’, just search for playboy Carti's stage. Yes he made a mistake and he shouldn’t of wrote those lyrics. He should have known that the people watching aren’t rap fans but Kpop fans who could find aggressive songs offensive and also may not be okay with or understand rap culture of swearing etc however,The lies and disgusting accusations needs to stop. Some Kpop stans speak about him as if he is evil calling him a women abuser, wrote a song about r*pe etc.People also started calling him racist because he used the word slavery in the second song. It was literally just him saying he didn’t want to be a slave to this girl. The word slavery is not a slur and their wasn’t even any meaning of race. Everyone is ofc allowed to have their own feelings about the situation but I hope at least people are now more informed of the whole situation. And if you'll say he's mad/angry blah blah blah Leo said in the vlog that he used a situation when he was angry a while ago and channeled that energy for the third song which is what a lot of songwriters do. He didn’t write it BECAUSE he was angry. And again the girl is fictional so he wasn’t angry at a real girl. Edit(8/25/22): Leo already quit and I honestly blame it because of those people who bullied and send dts to him, y'all made him give up on his dreams, he become a trainee for 3 years and half just to get all those hates? Are u guys happy now?! Leo did offended some people with his lyrics before but y'all cross the line so much, he's a human too and he's not blind not to see the hates y'all sending him, I see some people say that they hope one of his family member (mom/sis) will get Rword, that's seriously so disgusting wth. That kind of attitude you guys have are the reasons why some of kpop idols su!c!d3. Are you guys proud of what you guys did? I hate y'all seriously.

[@user-zh4pl8wb3q]

The context you just gave shines such a different light on the situation and completely changed my opinion! I hope it gets to the top and more mentioned in the news about it, then the discussion could be a lot more faceted.

[@poeticpigeon4198]

There we go, I was looking for someone to clarify

[@multiverserainbow6423]

Well said girl.. It's kinda annoying as a kpop stan that people are so quick to just judging... Thank goodness I didn't mind much for the context video.. I hope they all debut (with Leo)...

[@violatlacilova8251]

Omg thank you so much for your info about the situation!!! ❤

[@truetigress8401]

Well said!! :) As people gain maturity they learn that you NEVER follow a crowd unless you have investigated things YOURSELF. Sharing your opinion based with facts shows honesty, not speculation which can be drowned in lies. This kid is still maturing and his lyrics were misconstrued. Plus he is probably more than excited to share his talents with his fans. I saw the video that made it seem that Trainee A were making the video themselves. I pondered to myself if they just skipped their company's plans and just did it themselves sharing it with friends, family, and potential fans. Their "newbie" excitement was charming. I liked their enthusiasm and I loved their sound. These kids have so much potential just waiting to explode onto the music scene that I became an instant fan. I am hoping that others can see the talent these kids have and are able to forgive the immaturity of the members. As I tell my kids often..."You are still learning how to be your age, you will make mistakes...mistakes makes us HUMAN. Mistakes aren't made to define you but to help you grow and mature as a person." At 52 years old I am STILL making mistakes...but the good thing is that I take each of them, learn from them, and work to be a better person. You are never too young or too old. This attack on these kids needs to stop. About their diversity...I can't believe it's an issue. Imagine being told "I'm sorry, but we can't help you with your dream because you weren't born here." That seems so mean, doesn't it?

[@kolanimidea]

Oh guys really? A. Having members from many different countries is a best market move! There should be a lot more of that! Korean music industry should spread around the world and show the world how disciplined and diverse their music is! B. Leo is a 19 year old. Everybody is judging mistakes like they never done any! The kid apologised… let’s move on💜 I can not wait to see them debut!

[@hazeldavis7682]

I really love how you said that I completely agree with you and i cannot wait for there debut💜💜

[@kolanimidea]

@@hazeldavis7682 it is very harsh to keep judging someone who apologise really, and it is in an age that is really vulnerable…

[@tae_43]

Leo has left..

[@kolanimidea]

@cornislife amen to that

[@rainyseason1447]

You got a point, it's actually nice to have members from different countries but the fact that the entertainment was being a d••••ss, they listen to other people's comments, they were not looking at their unique talent.

[@msb5775]

NCT is one of the most popular groups in Korea and they have more foreign members than Korean members. In fact they have an entire subunit with people of Chinese ethnicity (so 0 Korean members) who sing in Chinese on Korean music shows. Similarly, Super Junior M (Chinese language subunit of Super Junior) was the most popular subunit when it was active, with Korean fans even following their activities in China. And there have been many other groups with people of different backgrounds with less Koreans (for example Secret Number's original lineup, only one Korean with 2 Americans a Japanese and an Indonesian). Not to mention survival programs/groups where they specifically sought idols of different races (Treasure Box, GP999, PD48, etc). The people who are hating on them for not being "Korean enough" should realize that this is nothing new.

[@czennie242]

Exactly!

[@rn-51lalrinsangi66]

Yes.

[@spicybiryani2617]

Yeah but do more that was SM's management who has plenty of experience with Chinese trainees in Korea not Bighit who just started diversity, so people can have different reactions

[@summertimeeee]

NCT is a whole different group they have 23 members ... and SM have a quite of a experience with foreign idols , but it is different with Big Hit . Bit Hit just started with diversity and it's alot for people to see so many foreign members in a group , so people can have mix reactions .

[@moudioanne-yvonne6996]

facts

[@hresatyst.6208]

For the first time I'm actually gonna agree with the netizens. Writing about femicide and abuse and performing with such passion while rapping this verse is really disturbing. It makes me wonder what he actually thinks about these matters...

[@SC-dj1sn]

But you shouldn't ignore the xenophobia that reflects in comments by those netizens . Also they go on saying that members who look Korean(i.e similar to Sehun and Yeojun ) look good but rest don't. Isn't it shameful?

[@hresatyst.6208]

@@SC-dj1sn Of course it is shameful and netizens should be held accountable for their xenophobia. The only reason I want him cancelled is his disturbing views on women and violence

[@TT-ee1vv]

That was literally a cover from playboy Carti's sing Stop breathing.

[@TT-ee1vv]

@@hresatyst.6208 The women stop breathing verse wasn't written by Leo. It was in the original song. I'm all for him apologizing but I wonder why international stans don't also direct this rage to Playboy Carti too.

[@samuraidestroyer4037]

@@hresatyst.6208 I'm well aware his lyrics were not good and he should acknowledge his mistake. However, I believe he should be given a 2nd chance because the thing is it is not only him making that kind of mistake, many people did that. I believe it is due to naivety and he should learn from this mistake. I'm not making any excuse for him. What he did was wrong of course, but we can't just view him as if he is forever guilty because of that, otherwise, we are pretty much acting like bullies.

[@softprincesss]

I love how they are not all Korean! It makes it more unique, I can't wait to see them debut!

[@annbeck2298]

It is 2022. I congratulate HYBE for forming a group so diverse in cultures, backgrounds and nationalities. Just wait - this group has loads to offer. K-Pop does not have to just stay Korean. Change is good. These are good looking young men. I think they are interesting.

[@seiwei]

Don't forget that RM also thought he needed to gain social capital in the hip hop world by indexing Black people through his English dialect and dreads. And he thought it was good to "speak Black" as a talent. He's learned a lot since about how being real and true to himself is better than trying to be "authentic" Looks like Leo needs the same lesson. You don't need to overcompensate in rough language to portray masculinity. It's 2022.

[@enalejandra]

Period

[@Licoricebean]

I agree!!

[@that_bestie3023]

THIS!!! Rm thought the same way he also wanted too fit in but now he became himself he isn't faking his personality. maybe Leo just wanted to fit in the kpop community and you know maybe the rap industry influenced him ? Idk

[@shimjeya5829]

This is the comment I've been looking for so long. I mean if RM can change and forgiven why can't Leo?

[@seiwei]

@@shimjeya5829 i don't know Leo, but it depends on his personality and his company, of course. RM's company sent them to LA for American Hustle Life, and I think that was a huge eye opener for RM

[@ppooppoomiin2294]

Leo is 19 years old and a fluent english speaker. He's aware of what he wrote and even said that don't mind it. If a woman wrote a lyric that slanders men, they will get cancelled immediately. But if it is a man who wrote lyrics to slander women and didn't express any apologies or realizations at first, they will still given a chance. He just apologized because people called him out, you can't ensure if he's really sorry or what. I'll probably believe on it if at first he acknowledge his mistake instead of saying that "don't mind the lyrics because he was angry that time." Whether you are angry or not, if you know you did wrong, you should have acknowledge it. He could have included "Im sorry or I apologized because blah blah blah"

[@Sonnenanbeterin1991]

I mean there are double standards. But with this you could cancel most of hip hop crews

[@jasmineslaughter6054]

@@Sonnenanbeterin1991 I disagree. Many women have made songs that are very disrespectful to men, yet that’s called girl power and they hardly ever get cancelled. There’s a lot of mistreatment towards women in this industry, but this is not one of them.

[@luna-nr7zq]

there are a lot of people who purposely chose to be misogynists and repeats the same degrading remarks about women again and again, not willing to learn and be educated. but attacking this man and labeling him as a misogynist based on ONE mistake which he didn't even realize the gravity of the action is just too much. he also apologized immediately and reflected on what he did. srsly, kpop stans are the worst. the bandwagon hate and toxicity is so cruel.

[@chuuqie9254]

him saying "i wrote it while i was angry" just makes it seem worse tbh... like why is his first thought while angry to beat women wtf

[@xiayu6098]

Honestly tho in rap culture this is normalized it doesn’t mean the rapper is actually feeling all that shi it’s just lyrics I feel like people who don’t listen to a lot won’t understand that Leo’s so young I doubt he’d be out here under big hit trying to get successful while thinking like that

[@pingz84]

They look such a promising group with abundance of talents to show. I hope the everybody would give them a chance to grow and show what they got. As for Leo, he is young he can still be change, nurtured and taught. I do hope they get to debut.

[@pixiie_3839]

As a woman, if Leo ain't down with us...I'm not down with him. Idc about an apology that was probably written for him bye. Women deal with enough as it is.

[@lemizinga7578]

🙄

[@jwk9139]

I think everyone makes mistakes and deserves a second chance. However Leo saying he just produced that rap according to his emotions then + wanted to add ‘a style’ into the music just doesn’t help 😅. This only reflects his anger issues and ill view towards women. Like, no matter how angry one is, I don’t think ranting “f*ck that ho* in my bank” and “that b*tches stop breathing” is something a normal-minded person does 😅 Considering he’s only 19 and already has this much anger and crudeness already… damn. I just can’t see him in the same light as others

[@-ssamurafimswithdiveluv7179]

I'm straight away ot6

[@lucasb9285]

@@jwk9139 im 17 and never wrote about that, so idk what his problem is

[@eli-ek4mv]

@@jwk9139 a "child" creating hateful stuff towards a group of ppl shows they(leo) have developed a personal problem with the group. Being hateful due to idk personal stuff or environment influence doesn't make this a mistake, it only develops a really harmful personality and mindset. The group is fine, but that trainee is kinda eh

[@traineeastan6555]

That bitches stop breathing is literally in the original lyrics of the song. It's not even his lyrics.

[@baldsoobinhair]

@@traineeastan6555 oh really??

[@jjongsflyinginsolelol1944]

giving Leo a grand total of ONE chance. if he messes up again it's just gonna be too much. idols aren't just singers, their persona/personality is part of the package and if he doesn't improve im not stanning someone so misogynistic. Hopefully he’ll learn from this but yikes

[@OPPAWONTMARRYYOU]

Nah, he will just get good at hiding it

[@morgan_dext1776]

he hasn’t changed the way he thinks and he won’t. he’ll still be the same misogynist that he is now, he doesn’t deserve another chance.

[@imdalostaeon4141]

@@morgan_dext1776 lol... Do you even know him personally to say something like that.

[@TM-wp8xy]

@@imdalostaeon4141 do you know him personally enough to say that he has changed?

[@nadonado648]

@@imdalostaeon4141 meh, a lot of idols are double faced to hide their true personality.. So it is not impossible for him to do that, but let’s just support the boys :)

[@soup._beans_]

I love the boys, I think they're amazing and have so much potential as a group. And as long as Leo learns from mistake, he should stay because we have all made mistakes in our life.

[@dunemae]

I don’t think ive ever made the mistake of ever rapping about killing a woman…

[@malachite3]

People should not forget that BTS also wrote some controversial lyrics about women. However, they issued an apology and never did them again. We should take this apology and wait to see if they do it again. If they do it a second time, I would not stan them. He is also pretty young and people can change if they want to.

[@merla692]

The problem with these kind of misogyny controversies is that we don't know who these idols really are. Even if the person apologizes, there's no way of telling if they really mean it, there's no way we'll ever know if that person really changed the way they think or not. Sorry, but I don't trust.

[@noorjansens222]

Yeah GG are way better acting all cute but then bitching and bullying behind cameras! No one is perfect not HE not HER not YOU or ME so just don’t trust no one

[@love.nicholegrace]

GG groups are just as worse as BG groups honey, there has been so much racism,bullying and so much problematic things goin on in GG groups, ur just sleeping under a rock

[@Kay1w4]

Trust what ppl tell you about themselves. Leo clearly shows hostility against women and his violent mentality is not being addressed through counselling and professional help. Neither is the production line that thought this content was ok to publish nor the company's useless apology that did nothing to change their misogynistic policies. I don't see that hybe is a safe space for women and much less for managing their 2022 GG it's really concerning.

[@Sonnenanbeterin1991]

Yes thats why you not clorify idols so.much

[@Sonnenanbeterin1991]

@@Kay1w4 ok there were the lyrics. But were else could you see violent behaviour. ?

[@faithwalker4301]

The lyrics were disgusting. Like really disgusting. No I do not hate him but I do believe that he should not debut with Trainee A. This wasn't a mistake. Leo knew damn well what he was saying.

[@senseiypd_e_hot]

IT'S NOT AN @BUSE SONG BRO. IT'S PLAYBOI CARTI'S 'STOP BREATHING'. IT'S A COVER. THAT VERSE IS A. COVER.

[@TT-ee1vv]

This is literally a cover from an American singer. Why do international stans not cancel singers in their countries who sing worse songs?!

[@mithashadanigala8694]

@@senseiypd_e_hot ehh have you even listened to playboi cartis song if you haven't than you should've before commenting those are Leo's lyrics he wrote them playboi cartis verses weren't even that bad and even if they were not written by leo why the hell would he choose to rap lyrics that are disrespectful to women when they are his groups target audience he wrote those lyrics on his own that fact that he even mentioned that he wrote those lyrics when he was mad scares imagine if that's how he feels towards women when he's mad I can also imagine how he feels towards them when he's not mad

[@francesco5331]

@@mithashadanigala8694 Literally THIS!!! 👆🏻

[@senseiypd_e_hot]

@@brightsunshine5354 Lmao he did not💀 the lyrics don't even make sense, how woudl you understand it like this-

[@poojaaggarwal2834]

Let's support them they all are talented and yeah waiting for them to debut

[@crazy_kookie850]

Don’t forget about JJ who is an amazing dancer and participated in many dance shows and competitions. I think that the group as a whole should debut and I don’t say this as a pre-debut fan but, they’re all still very talented and no matter how big and terrible a scandal, they’ll still be talented. I wish luck to them and I hope they can stay out of trouble.

[@isasha5363]

his "rap" is beyond disturbing. He is 19, a man, and fluent in english and this is what he comes up when he is "angry". Stop defending him, its messed up.

[@annev3301]

Yes being 19 means being an adult but his brains arent fully grown until he is 25. Stop offending him like that because that is more messed up!!! His apology was lacking because being 19 and thus having a brain in full development and still in puberty (yes still in puberty) it makes it hard to comprehend your actions... Let's talk about racism in Kpop, which is a waaaaaayyyyyyyy bigger problem

[@duqial]

@@annev3301 are you fr?

[@michelle-vw9ug]

@@annev3301 wtf?

[@omajules8413]

@@annev3301 you literally just said a 19yr old's brain isn't developed enough to fully comprehend right and wrong. You also implied that misogyny isn't worth talking about since racism is common in kpop. No offence but It would've been better if you just didn't say anything because your comment has got to be one of the dumbest on KZbin.

[@isasha5363]

@@annev3301 owww just owww ! This is why people think kpop fans are crazy...

[@MarryMeRm]

“I really think leo should debuted because everybody deserve a second chance and that song he made was a year ago and people didn’t know him or the members yet so they shouldn’t judge him so fast”://

[@canna5251]

really hate the fact that she knows english but still wrote that. AND he wrote it when he felt ANGRY wtf scary

[@MarryMeRm]

@@canna5251 I totally agree with you!!

[@brigc7755]

@@canna5251 fr imagine being angry and bein like " fuck women" like dude huh ???? pls leave Bighit sir

[@bornpink3069]

I don't. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing and people who think they can change him are delusional.

[@mizcharmy3729]

broken english kind of thinking

[@fabsfabs7960]

I really do think that they all are so much talented, handsome and good looking....I'll support them till the end of their career. They all are extremely very very talented and I've already started to following them in every social media. That's how i know them very well ☺️💜💜

[@heloapril3166]

Some people act like they never did something wrong

[@whyparkjiminwhenUcanridejimin9]

Imagine bashing a group to disband because they dont look korean …

[@bia_blue]

The shame

[@nusratjahankhaleda2932]

The embarrassment

[@annakatehurdle506]

One of the only times I actually agree with canceling someone. Lyrics were disgusting. The apology was obviously written by a lawyer. Heard about this before and shocked he’s still debuting.

[@manasa771]

I get why he is being hated, but cancelling someone over this?

[@daisydaisy2086]

there are many rappers out there who swear during their verses and a lot of disgusting stuff are written by themselves but noones "cancelling" them Im not trying to defend but I think he does deserve a second chance just like many do

[@xxonspotlight]

Agreed, honestly. He chose and wrote those words. We all get mad and shit, but being disgusting is NOT an accident.

[@-ssamurafimswithdiveluv7179]

@@daisydaisy2086 which rappers? Sorry i only cancel anyone infront of me so yea fk leo

[@daisydaisy2086]

@@tara-zz3cm ik and im a female myself and although i dont really follow them but i heard the rap coz it was a huge news........But all im saying is to wait n see what is gonna happen in the future coz time tells it all And im myself disgusted by the fact that he used women as objects in the rap while using slurs on em but all im waiting for is the perfect time

[@fizzamn6703]

Will support them soon😍🥰

[@tashasmithy5795]

Hybe did them dirty. They gave them a group name and a pre debut track and then just decided to pull the plug the last minute.

[@Kay1w4]

The only right way Leo could debut is if he gets counselling and learns that he cannot manifest his anger through violence against women, even as thoughts. Leo has revealed his extremely dangerous mindset and it needs to be proffessionally adressed as the fandom of whatever group he would debut in are entitled to know that the artist they are supporting has learned and changed from his extremely harmful actions and mindset. In addition to that, the fact that these mysoginistic lyrics, that by no mistake exhibit violence towards women, were passed through the production line speaks volumes about the company. All staff and artists in this production line are mysoginists and enablers for publishing these lyrics like its acceptable. The company's appology does nothing to show us that these staff are being re-evaluated and it shows that hybe does not have a safe environment for women much less for a girl group that will be managed with these mysoginistic and dissmisive policies.

[@thaliakim4226]

*you just made the BIGGEST assumption of someone you barely know based on a song he covered…*

[@oofgottarunn]

I mean I agree that was shitty of him to do that. But like calling a person and a whole company mysoginist and predators because of leo's mistake seems a bit too much..

[@TT-ee1vv]

@@oofgottarunn Ppl are taking it too far now. Someone even said that he shouldn't molest more women. Did I miss something?!

[@starseedgaon]

@@thaliakim4226 he wrote his own lyrics did he not?? edit: someone said he didn't, but weren't some of them his? and even if not, you don't think it's concerning that he chose to cover a song like that?

[@luna-nr7zq]

@@starseedgaon well the song was about carti's close friend getting shot and him chanelling his anger in the song. you can search about it

[@i-land-Ghost]

Of course everyone deserves a second chance but once you cross the line you shouldn't expect forgiveness and that's why Leo still gets hates and that case isn't something that you can deny easily! I was OK with everything until he said "I was angry" learn them how to control their anger I'm not gonna stan

[@loryjo7]

nah, he doesnt deserve second chance bcz he KNEW was he was doing. men be abusing women and then having an excuse as "i was angry" is literally proving the sexism

[@Wonbin951]

He never said he was angry people are twisting his words. He said 'please don't mind the lyrics its about pop vibe I didn't paid much attention to the lyrics'. Also he didn't wrote the lyrics. The lyrics are by the original singer that is carti and Leo didn't wrote it

[@loryjo7]

@@Wonbin951 stop defeding him lmao. ur embarrassing

[@samuraidestroyer4037]

@@loryjo7 I'm well aware his lyrics were not good and he should acknowledge his mistake. However, I believe he should be given a 2nd chance because the thing is it is not only him making that kind of mistake, many people did that. I believe it is due to naivety and he should learn from this mistake. I'm not making any excuse for him. What he did was wrong of course, but we can't just view him as if he is forever guilty because of that, otherwise, we are pretty much acting like bullies.

[@user-yw3ym2kx2n]

@@loryjo7 lmao they're not defending. that's the fact go search about it you're embarassing

[@NikolinaDrum]

At this point I am more concerned about the toxic backlash and straight up cancel culture than about Leo's rap. It's frightening how some k-pop stans don't give idols the chance of growing, reflecting and learning from past mistakes. Especially since we don’t know for sure what he meant by these lyrics, AND the „stop breathing“ lyrics were already in the original song, since this is just a cover. Music can be interpreted in so many ways, we don't even know if this song was written from his perspective. Like, that is the complexity of art. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and we will see how he will grow as a person from this. Everyone deserves a second chance.

[@cliffordsoriano3421]

so you support him while rapping about killing women

[@imdalostaeon4141]

@@cliffordsoriano3421 thats the most stupid clapback I've ever seen.. She's just expressing her opinions and views where tf... Does That came from??

[@cliffordsoriano3421]

@@imdalostaeon4141 hello?

[@sunita5826]

This!!!!

[@mohammedhaider7424]

@@cliffordsoriano3421 I really need yall to see a better explanation from somewhere... the lyrics are misleading but it did not meant about killing or raping woman. I just feel like people acknowledge the vulgar language without actually properly going thru the grammar. I've seen a good explanation somewhere and its completely different from what ppl assume it is..

[@athenadharaarts233]

Whatever happens i am gonna support them 👏 화이팅 ☺️

[@user-qw6ki9mj7b]

I don’t understand why Knetizens care so much about visuals rather than talent.

[@ohno3729]

I feel bad for the other members who are getting hate cause of what Leo did. Before his scandal, they all had a bright future but now they're all being dragged down.

[@channi5264]

i was so excited to stan them but since the Leo scandal.I'm not even interested at all anymore

[@UT_Alx]

@@channi5264 You are so fucking weird. Stop dreaming about Kpop idols. They are human, they are people, they make music. That's it.

[@charlottesmom]

@@channi5264 , I'm still giving them a chance, everyone can mess up in life, he apologized and I believe he was sincere.

[@Mike-cv5ei]

@@charlottesmom we have all probably said something hurtful or wrong at some point in our lives....... As long as we own up and learn we all deserve a chance....... And guys he's a human too and no matter how y'all think he has emotions too...... What he wrote was wrong but he owned up and he deserves to debut

[@kaeya8674]

Yea imma still give em a chance but imma ignore leo lol

[@nicolereiter8039]

I love your Video so much. You gave me a clear view of everything and you never added something that wasn't true (some people do that to get attention or because they don't like the person so it's almost a hate video) and I totally agree with you. What Leo said while rapping was definitely not okay but in the end he I also just human and also idols are making mistakes. I just hope that his apology was sincere and that he learned something ouy of all this and we can enjoy a debut with all of them. To everyone who reads this: Stay safe,care about your physical health and your mental health 💕

[@kimnam-joon8271]

I'm happy that there's a lot of support going into this group but it's sad they're hated

[@thgfghft5857]

I'm not gonna throw hate on them but I won't support them either. Leo apologized but only because his problematic lyrics became a hot topic and went viral on Twitter. If it went unnoticed, then he probably would continue and his members didn't say anything either. The apology also wouldn't exist and saying it was because he was angry that he wrote the lyrics says a lot about his mindset.

[@sunnisoleil]

What he does isn’t in control of the other boys he’s 19 the rest of them don’t have to say anything about the situation also keep in mind they dont have the free will to do all they please

[@warriorKatsK]

So basically you’re gonna drag the whole group down because of one of them did something bad, that’s kinda off putting

[@lynn-Ryo]

leo defenitly deserves to get kicked out of the group but please dont drag the other members ! its not in their control what he does and im pretty sure they aren’t allowed to openly say something against their group members anyways (also consider that most of the members are younger and power dynamics in korea are questionable)

[@zuha1591]

@@warriorKatsK op literally didn’t say they would, not supporting and “dragging” are two totally different things

[@omiiuji2742]

“why didn’t his members say anything “ because most of the members are KIDS??? They shouldn’t have to correct a grown ass man…

[@hyacinth7I7]

Despite all backlash and criticism and everything else, Leo was given a chance to still debut. I hope he will change, in the end there's still so many who believe him, trust him and wants him to prove himself. Hopefully this trust won't be wasted. He made a mistake and everything else were judged.The overcoming of this mistake is your own self journey, change must come from within you and not because you are pressured to. Just one chance.. Wishing he will make it worth it.

[@littleamig0]

Cancel culture is dumb asf these people are more toxic than the actual controversial celebrities atp

[@alexandriaking8544]

@@littleamig0 TRUTH

[@awesomeklee9179]

Honestly a lot of American rappers have lyrics similar to what he wrote ngl. Although that in noooooo way excuses him am just saying.

[@hyacinth7I7]

@@awesomeklee9179 Not an excuse... and it's never right.. that's why we will see by then how he will improve himself or if he ever does..

[@awesomeklee9179]

@@UKGoverment bruh wtf I said it was in noooooo way an excuse did u even read all my comment properly???! I was just stating smth that I realised while watching the vid 🤷🏾‍♀️🙄

[@sisiroberts15]

cant wait for their debut

[@bleep2846]

im already not sm a fan of leo which is unfortunate since its def affected my first impression of the group. mistakes happen i get that, but only through his future actions will we see if hes changed or not, its too soon to say rlly. regardless, im still really excited to see members like yongsin and jj's debut! im rooting for all of them and wish them luck^^

[@tallestdaisy9240]

LOL wtf are these double standard comments? Leo is an english speaker. He knows what he was saying. He deserves the hate that he received. There is no such a thing that we should let this pass since he is “young”. He should be held accountable for what he did. Being young doesn’t let you have a pass to be problematic and misogynist. People in this comment section have double standards just because its’a a “Boy Group” lol. Y’all are so distusting.

[@TM-wp8xy]

💯

[@tatasvan-9802]

Yes plus he's literally 19 and fluent in English! Not a kid...he definitely knew what he was doing..

[@kkxebsong]

if it were a woman rapping those lyrics... I'm sure they would be no double standard.

[@traineeastan6555]

We're literally holding him accountable

[@kkxebsong]

@@dorte3791 humm no.

[@emilyminiere8182]

While I think a second chance is probably due in this case, I have to admit that if I met a stranger and they said what he did in his rap, I wouldn’t want anything to do with them.

[@susannahellmuth81]

May I intervene that these were the first and last lyrics like that he ever wrote and he usually writes very different music?

[@KITTIMIN]

@@susannahellmuth81 how do u know it was the first? i could see possibly it being the last bc i would hope he wouldn't make the same mistake twice... but ppl don't just do things to this degree out of nowhere, its usually habitual. and if he was so quick to write those lyrics AND perform it, do u really, TRULY, believe that this was the first time he wrote something like this? humans are creatures of habit & he may have only been CAUGHT once but im almost POSITIVE he's got some lyrics written in his lil song book from before this came out. its sad to say but thats American culture thats he's copying & we all know that all they rap about is mysoginistic sh!t like this. imo he's just following the trend.

[@winterkim7588]

RM same as Leo

[@lornam1142]

No. RM never rapped about violence against women.

[@skylercalista]

Support them all the way they will be one of the biggest kpop boyband in the world. So watch out one of my fav kpop group is coming...💜💜💜

[@hungrychat7304]

Oh and I find it funny how someone's age doesn't matter how problematic someone is now. When it's misogyny, it's unforgivable but if it's racism, then let's find every excuse.

[@kkxebsong]

I think is because he's a boy in a boy group. If it were a girl....

[@imdalostaeon4141]

Ikr..

[@kayleenoel3587]

Honestly though, it’s so frustrating to see people repeatedly accepting apologies that weren’t made for them. I’m not a person of color but I’ve grown up in an area that is 70% people of color and my closest friends have always been POC and it’s infuriates me seeing their feelings being dismissed over and over again. Whenever I see someone getting called out for being racist I ALWAYS ask my friends their opinions and how they feel about the situation because i know that it’s not my place to decide whether something is or isn’t racist or whether someone should or shouldn’t be forgiven. I can’t tell you the amount of times I have literally been in the same conversation with my friends and had to be told afterwards that the other party was being super micro aggressive and I didn’t even notice despite literally being right there, which just PROVES that I have no right to decide what is or isn’t racist. I don’t understand how anyone in there right mind could accept an apology or forgive and an idol for something that doesn’t pertain to them. That’s like if somebody slaps you in the face, proceeds to apologize to you and then their friend says that they forgive them; and then whenever you try to bring it up or address it everybody gets mad at you because you’re just trying to bring up old dirt when they were already forgiven. But suddenly when the conversation changes and it was offensive to them personally everyone has the right to be offended. Sorry for the long rant, I just can’t imagine the amount of frustration and hurt things like that must cause for POC. Your feelings are important to me and I want to learn to be better always. And please if anything I said above was hurtful, offensive, incorrect or privileged anyway let me know.

[@crystalice2458]

@@kayleenoel3587 thank you for this 🙏🏾 ❤️ 💖. I can tell that you have a really bright heart and there aren't enough people like you in the world. I truly appreciate this comment 😁😁

[@warriorKatsK]

Honestly a lot of female idols get called out for racism but a lot of male idols people defend when it is every idols fault no matter what. However, I feel like spreading hate does not exactly help the matter.

[@victorierhee4540]

"I agree with the fact the words in his song were contrioversial" 5:55 Dam girl. They arent controversial - THEY ARE SEXIST, unrespecrful, hurtfull, hatefull and honestly concenrning. As a woman, demanding respect from people like him is a hard work. Sexists comments, "undangerous" texts, cat calling. "Its just a small game", "dont get mad - youre overreacting". Im sick of that and gladly im not the only one. He wrote that text in this present time, not in the past as a stupid teenager who saw bdsm porn for the first time. Debuting a person like him will only make more problems - if he cannot behave well as an adult trainee, imagine what would happen if the guy will get famous and start feeling more reckless. Nevertheless its hybes decision to debut him. I just hope no more women nor any other person will be disrespected/hated/molested by him

[@TT-ee1vv]

The women stop breathing verse wasn't written by Leo. It was in the original song. I'm all for him apologizing but I wonder why international stans don't also direct this rage to Playboy Carti too.

[@TT-ee1vv]

Why don't we also cancel American rappers too.

[@mithashadanigala8694]

@@TT-ee1vv can y'all stop telling people who are rightfully mad not to do so Leo is fluent in English even if they weren't his lyrics why would he choose them when women are his target audience as a woman it's frustrating when people tell us to stop over reacting this boy should not debut and rightfully so

[@TT-ee1vv]

@@mithashadanigala8694 I was simply letting you know certain facts. No need to be aggressive. If he debuts you don't have to stan them and it's your choice to hold a grudge. No one's gonna force you.

[@TT-ee1vv]

@@mithashadanigala8694 But I'm just curious why International rappers who portray women negatively multiple times are given third chances.. just my thoughts.

[@mariadelcarmen4379]

you forgot to mention jay jay who is one of the most prodigious dancers in japan literally one of the best dancers that the fourth generation of kpop will have

[@user-cc3le7tz6z]

Well y'all can give a 2nd chance to them I hope they won't disappoint people again.

[@arinyugrass]

I love to see diverse groups like that, it’s so nice to naturally discover new stuff about cultures trough a group a people that you like idk it’s just really cool

[@leot1864]

I don't think Leo should be cancelled but tbh I don't think he should debut. Those lyrics were pretty messed up and what's worst he speaks english so he knows very well what he was saying.

[@me-wc2cn]

I understand that he made a mistake but that doesn't mean they should ruin his life I don't know these idols very well but I do know I would never do that to my idols for example straykids made a mistake once and We are all ok now why can't we do the same with idols that haven't even Debuted yet?

[@mckennakoko934]

lmao this is a rant. I feel like he should be held accountable for it but like it shouldn't ruin his career, I felt like he was genuine in his apology. and let's not forget that many idols have been known for these types of scandals predebut (RM, Keeho, Han etc...). this is not a new issue being faced in Kpop and as we have seen, these idols have become aware of what they did and changed it. i wouldn't make my mind up on him just yet. if he continues to speak derogatorily after debut then there should be consequences but until then we should all remember that stress can be a very powerful thing and if his statement was true then so be it. people in the community are so quick to hate on and bully others without giving the idols time to prove they've changed and reflected on the issue at hand. i will not and will never have my opinion on an idol or group set in stone, its dumb for those who automatically have their minds made up when the group haven't made more than like 10 vids. you barely know them and they are all still young. i will support him throughout his career until another issue like this pops up

[@yeonjuns.]

i agree with you

[@lexmori9356]

As much as I want to be forgiving, I do think Leo's rap was extremely misogynistic and violent and I wish they just wouldn't debut him. I don't think he would have apologized if people didn't get upset and it's really not fair to the other members for the group's reputation to already be tarnished by his poor choices. Forgiveness is one thing, but it doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for terrible actions. Apply this logic to any other workplace. He'd be fired. As a male idol, you will be around female fans, enough said.

[@annev3301]

A teenboy..... nahhhh he wouldn't be fired for spitting bars like that, he'd be given a second chance and a lesson to learn and grow. Because he's still a teen and like any other adult, he's an adult at least in my country, his brains will be fully developed when he is 25. He is not 25, so exactly what are you talking about? He has learned his lesson but he may me having difficulties to comprehend such a huge reaction to his actions, because he is a teen who still has +/- 5 years to go before his brains are fully grown. His lyrics were MILD compared to the original lyrics. And yes, eventually he would've apologized but he is a teenboy, who bloom later usually, and again, and isn't able to immediately comprehend his actions or the repercussions of his actions.

[@hanjihannaya7419]

I don't think he would've realized what he did wrong without people getting upset over it, so it's understandable how he would give an apology after people got upset. People can say and do something stupid, life is about growing and learning from them, to me the only thing that matters is if he's willing to change and pay for his consequences.

[@blu00]

i get that kpop has to be super PG and clean but geezus, i bet leo has a lot of artistic potential and self expression shouldnt be soo heavily censored. The american market wouldn't even blink an eye at those lyrics lol but ik he's in a kpop group so i just feel bad for the kid, but he decided to persue that path so he's gotta be wholesome and clean

[@Dina-zb2cv]

Agree with you, the rest of the trainee deserves better. I do hope the agency can reconsider about Leo... Nothing's good come when a trainee already showing their problematic behavior before debut.

[@lids223]

For your info.. Leo is the most biased one in the group.. He is damn popular before the controversy.. He already self written and composed songs like move on.. He is damn talented and he will debut and will be the Ace of the group. Just wait and watch haters... He deserve all the love and second chance

[@wriothesley_cakefactory]

About their visuals....I think they are really handsome , they literally pull me back to my straight origin after Seulgi made me questioned myself 😬 . C'mon I want me some unique looking Visuals in Kpop because you know I really have a hard time knowing who is the official visual in any gen group , because they are all beautiful but they follow similar face qualities , SO I THINK they are fresh

[@johndanladi418]

Yes! They're all REALLY HANDSOME

[@pretend_we_re_dead1554]

2022 is almost ending, when will we see debut teasers??

[@earlysy4284]

I Luv them, their very talented 🥰💜💜 i trus Big hit for that, can’t wait for their debut.

[@safasathar1019]

Cant wait for Trainee A's debut, waiting since yr for it💜💜

[@yeye7377]

Bighit will never let Leo go cuz he is the producer along with Woo-chan and they need tht to make the group successful like in the vlogs the two of them work on songs for the group

[@justthetruth3950]

And also look how they protected Garam, she should be out of the group yet she's still there. I don't think they will take him out

[@anna.k8587]

@@justthetruth3950 this comment did not age well

[@harvn2152]

@@anna.k8587 😭😭😭😭

[@Jakegayllenhaal]

Even when garam was innnocent😭😭😭😭

[@justthetruth3950]

@@anna.k8587 good on them for taking her out, I hope they do the same with Leo

[@rini9325]

This is the first time I'm agreeing with Knets, they're absolutely right, he's 19 and this is what he's writing? there was no error of understanding of language, he possibly grew up in a very progressive environment too. No justification whatsoever, he doesn't deserve a second chance. On top of all this, y'all wouldn't have any sympathy for him had he been ugly. The fact that he's young and still has such violent thoughts is precisely why he shouldn't be given a second chance.

[@dyosabojo1633]

Who are we to judge people c'mon as if you are all saints 🙄 🙄🙄

[@w..882]

Your 2nd chace won't change anythin' lol also the time you've wasted for hating would have been so much help if have wrote "let's support him too".

[@crimsonsinner1454]

He's young, a freaking teenager at that, i understand that what he did but to judge his whole being because of it and saying he shouldn't be given a second chance is messed up, seriously i listen to western music(drugs,bitches,sex) but do i encourage it? No. Do i relate to it? Absolutely not but i listen to it cause it's literally music

[@cassandra6151]

The lyrics were written by the original, not Leo

[@nikitarayner4220]

We all make mistakes and no one is perfect if he has apologized for his wrong I say give him the same grace we would expect when we error and do wrong. If a person is really sorry we will see it in the future as their career moves on. Why destroy anyones life over a mistake. Just because no one see our drift doesn’t give us the right to sit in judgement.

[@dunemae]

So you’ve made a “mistake” that’s comparable to rapping about killing a woman? You guys keep defending these misogynists while they out here actually killing us. He’s not sorry that he did is he’s sorry that he was caught. All it taught him was to keep quiet about how he actually feels…

[@sidannial4161]

Because one of their members decided to be so misogynistic like just say you hate women and go 🙄

[@jjtraineea7210]

There are so many rappers that write lyrics like these and that literally does not mean he hates women tf then go away and mind your own business

[@gowonhye69]

@@jjtraineea7210 Well, their lyrics say so. So who are you to say they don't? Do you know them? No. So stop defending them if they don't even care to hide their misogyny

[@ksehhh]

That doesn't means he hates women and plus if it was hating on men then they would get a lot of support

[@Sammmm85]

@@jjtraineea7210lol you are really defending someone for this type of thing? yeah many rappers swears and write shit lyrics but they are not writing about beating women..

[@jjtraineea7210]

@@gowonhye69 who are you to say he does? You dont know him either qnd only watched that one Clip and ran with it. Again it was just a rap. Have you ever seen him other then on a literall Song talking bad or wanting to "kill" women? Well it diesnt matter your opinion wont change thats ok but i honestly believe leo deserves a second chance. If he ever does things like these again then i cant defend him

[@daileeedunno]

okay i'm always open to giving 2nd chances but, what leo did is is the kind of thing that i would count as 1.75 chances by itself, istg he is walking a fine line in my mind. but if he improves as time goes i'll be a little less critical, not that my opinion matters but its just what i think.

[@daileeedunno]

i think the only reason BigHit even chose to still debut him is because of the sunk cost fallacy, otherwise it just feels like they risked 6 members for the price of 1.

[@jwk9139]

Agree. What he says will sit in people who have heard the lyrics’ memories. So far I can’t just view him in a positive light 😅

[@daileeedunno]

@@figgletinkle yeah of course, but its likely the couldn't find someone with as much potential

[@lucasb9285]

@@daileeedunno they probs can, so many people want to be idols I'm sure there a better ones

[@mobina1248]

@@lucasb9285 right i feel so desappointed.

[@tabasabi3142]

Eagerly waiting for them to debute ☺️

[@Rembertoslay]

We must fight through the battles!!❤❤

[@ryanostone22]

I like that they are diverse. However Leo does need to go. There is no excuse for writing lyrics like that. Even though he is young, it still doesn’t excuse that sort of mindset. It is dangerous.

[@mizcharmy3729]

exactly what I'm saying, he needs therapy, he literally admited that he thinks about killing and fucking women when angry...wtf

[@lucasb9285]

he is not even that young, i thought he wrote when he was 13 from what I heard he was 19

[@traineeastan6555]

@@mizcharmy3729 why tf are you spreading mis info??? He never said any of that. 💀

[@indygogames]

but why is it okay when a western artist does it 😭😭 like i’m not on his side but it also just doesn’t make sense. playboi cartis song rip is literally the same thing (maybe even worse) and it went viral on tiktok and nobody cared.

[@eye_sea]

@@traineeastan6555 3:48 he literally said that

[@tatachan4045]

It's good HYBE doesn't consider Knetizens opinions because if they did we wouldn't have some amazing idols. Knetizens are freaking EXTRA.

[@tokkigifs]

bruh what rock are you living in that Leo guy wrote some questionable lyrics and his apology was ass

[@tatachan4045]

@@tokkigifs so many people do similar bs we call them out and they apologise but it's like y'all want someone not to have a career over it. He's apologised what more do you want? If he does it again ask or demand for a suspension, y'all act like idols or performers should be angels or gods with no mistakes. Get over yourselves.

[@wriothesley_cakefactory]

@@tokkigifs was about to say this

[@armyblinkcatpop5298]

@@tatachan4045 YEP

[@Nowaynoway50]

@@tatachan4045 writing abusive and offensive lyrics about women is not a ‘mistake’ , it’s an rotten personality. He’s pure trash but looks hot and that is the only reason you want to give him a pass . Pretty privilege is real.

[@angelineadelaide8909]

Hii i just noticed you used the wrong pictures for yorch and woochan when u introduced them!!

[@wikidmuzic5992]

Dam I'm excited to see what they got

[@bellaloves2815]

As soon as you said “they are very diverse!” I went “oh no, here we go with Knetizens not wanting them to be part of the group”

[@miakayuki1068]

The most kpop group who became succesful is there is something new to the group that is not yet seen in other groups. So I think they will be amazing, new faces and fresh new faces.

[@yuktirawat8868]

Waiting for debut ..🤗

[@9wanji]

I really don't get why the trainees being from different nationalities is a problem. Music has no boundaries and who said foreigners can't join kpop like is it only for "koreans". I think LEO was so talented that he needed a second chance sometimes these fans are so toxic they wouldn't want someone to prosper and i know he already learned from his mistakes, he should debut. I wish these trainees/idols would get to be their real selves and not live according to the standards their fans expect.

[@9wanji]

@Manuel A yeah that's true let's just say it's a toxic environment so i think they already know what they are getting themselves into

[@pilarsanchez2098]

I’m so excited for their debute sorry if I spelled it wrong but I can’t wait!!!😊

[@soriyoo2243]

Honestly, I’m so sick of it that women get called the worst things, we speak up or say something and then get called crazy or let it slide/ignore it afterwards. This is actually the worst we could do! How are our own actions, when we let it slide, in anyway better then the males that call us such things? And no, I don’t say that the members should get hate for something they didn’t do. But to say, he deserves an other chance afterwards doesn’t sit right with me, when its always easier to say sorry afterwards then doing the right thing before.

[@uncomfortabletruths7990]

dude stfu its only a song like stop crying about everything and women say bad stuff about men all the time but no one says anything

[@fie97]

Agree. And he is no child.

[@ayeon5609]

@@uncomfortabletruths7990 Can you give me of any example of Kpop female artist angrily singing about killing a man/singing about how the man isn't breathing and calling them names ?

[@user-fv1bd9ux3b]

it's always easier to destroy a person and then act okay with it using the excuse "it just concerns me". it's actually manipulative that people tell different stories about his issue like it's a writing exercise and people can add and manipulate the story to make it seem worse and worse. If people still do not accept a woman's words then do something more significant other than using his issue, making it look worse and then say you as a woman is being ignored. I hear you, I see you. You're a woman, you can do better other than drag a person to his grave.

[@tangerineYT]

You're getting called crazy because you're all getting mad at a bunch of words. I don't care what you try to call them, they're a jumble of letters and/or sounds. Getting mad at them is what you call being sensitive. On top of that, you're all purposely misinterpreting the song and getting mad at HIM for what YOU came up with. And THEN you're all overreacting by wanting his whole career, if not his whole life, destroyed over a SONG. If that's not a reason to call you people crazy, then I don't know what is.

[@cocooavu2907]

i knew them after i saw an article where JJ was said to be a new member but dang I didn't know about these

[@Sophie_Kpop_dance]

I understand if people wouldn’t Stan them but doesn’t mean you can start hating them they are all handsome and talented love them all so much and I Stan them

[@yoongyus]

its very obvious if you see their productions they are VERY HEAVILY interested in mainstream american rap music, which many times reproduces the messages leo put forward in that song, hopefully they learn to discern better but tbh i don't have much hope

[@s.tres.s5031]

i can see that they're all very talented and im personally hyped for their debut! i just hope LEO doesn't make the same mistake (if he does, then yikes 😬)

[@softieaubrey396]

ik im replying late but like highkey want to thank you for not striaght up hating on LEO and allowing him to get another chance. its really frustrating to see the comments saying you dont know the idol behind closed doors and then saying that he wont change and that he deserves every piece of hate he gets.

[@rhyscordova5719]

Writing lyrics that slander women or anyone in general is just disgusting, and the fact that he's in his early 20s is just upsetting, and anger is no excuse for that...

[@Ruth_demada]

We love the Lines-up ♥️🤟That’s it

[@rez_anna1523]

I don’t look forward to their debut nor do I want to even associate myself with this group. It’s really sad to see how one member messed it up for the others. But overall just don’t send hate to them, everyone makes mistakes but for me personally I can’t really look at them the same again.Some people may accept there apology and move on but other won’t so no need to go fighting one another. If you don’t like them then don’t interact with them or send hate it’s not gonna do anything.

[@staciii]

You said at the beginning that only one member is the issue so why do you continue on to use the word "them"? It seems like you don't like the whole group then

[@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961]

"associate myself" as if you were some sort of important public figure, lmao to that wording.

[@staciii]

@@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961 right I read that too and was like "is your reputation gonna be ruined or something like who are you?" 😂😂

[@love.nicholegrace]

@@raidenthenctzenwithinsomni4961 LOL please 😭

[@senseiypd_e_hot]

The thing is he didn't write it??

[@quin2171]

honestly i only am rlly excited for jj and woochan, i watched show me the money when he competed, we were both 12 at the time and i’ve been following him and his content/music ever since so when i found out he’ll be debuting in an idol group i’m both excited and hoping he gets to write his own raps. jj is a year younger than me and i’ve also been following him since he was still in the jgroup and his dance competitions. as much as i like those two the most, i rlly hope the debut is proper w no extra controversies like line distribution or screentime, that’ll decrease their reputation even more now

[@eonniafi7296]

I don't care what people outside say or hate,,,,,I like trainee A to debut,,,,everytime people will hate it if they think a little about them,,they don't see their skills,and their hard work so far, ,,, so well never mind, just ignore the haters!!!!! Let's just hear that those who love and love them, that's all, A fighting trainees are okay ...... wait, after all I'm not only trainee A who has different countries, there are many other idols who are the same in various other agencies,, WHY trainees W??!!!!!!

[@lotexxvq9989]

I think they all should debute even tho with what happened with Leo cause people learn from there mistakes but that doesn't mean that now just because of a mistake he shouldn't debute he should go on with his life do what he's doing and learn from it...like in the video we all have made a mistake and done something we should have but I would want people to think that I'm still the same I was before or people looking down on me because of it cause I have learned from it. My English is not perfect so there could be something wrongly written.

[@lotexxvq9989]

*wouldn't

[@morgan_dext1776]

“we all make mistakes” rapping about raping and murdering women IS NOT a mistake. he does not deserve a second chance.

[@Sonnenanbeterin1991]

I as a teen listenes to exactly such lyrics without reflecting and this as a teen girl

[@Sonnenanbeterin1991]

Should not be an excuse but you know what i wanna express

[@ad_kk16]

Clearly he was influenced by American rap. Which is... uhm lmaooo. Many songs about murdering women or just extreme explict shit like that

[@LovelyKissess]

Quote the lyrics where he said ANYTHING about raping abc murdering women... I'll wait

[@4everlastingstarlight]

I really miss the times when idol groups weren't perfect. Groups that are debuting now feels too perfect, idols are carefully chosen porcelain dolls and groups are made to reach bigger audiences to get more money for pigs waiting at the company

[@dishasingh3669]

EXACTLY WHAT I BEEN SAYING

[@leahhhh7981]

I agreee

[@TT-ee1vv]

Do you blame them? They can literally be cancelled for not flipping their hair right in a Choreo or for smiling at a staff.

[@Kemonosaur]

Same

[@shoepermanbutthman2188]

HYBE's strategy is to capture girls' hearts with their looks and once girls are infatuated with the idols, even the worst, generic sounding crap music that comes from that idol group would be supported by the infatuated. Some even go as far as streaming all night even though they could no longer stand the song because they want to put the person they are infatuated with on pedestal.. Some call it love, I call it unpaid slave labor in the name of fake love. HYBE is manipulative.

[@aphrodite2508]

Jeeez people nowadays just love to hate for no reason, y'all just bitter, he's barely even 20 and everyone's calling him out for a mistake he's apologized for, being an idol doesn't mean they ain't tweens tryna figure out shit and they allowed to make mistakes,lots of idols mature enough have made way more worse mistakes so give them a break,seems like everyone is just looking for a reason to hate them, sorry for saying this but netizens can be so damn toxic I don't know how they don't see it

[@wonpuff.222]

Here after their disbandment 💔

[@Liz-rf4qu]

First of all, I'm happy that JJ is in the group. Secondly I am angry that netzens have nothing better to do than hate on idols!

[@lucasb9285]

i mean is justified tho, he wrote a rap about killing and beating women cause he felt angry

[@shadowsinger3183]

@@lucasb9285 Leo wrote the rap not JJ

[@amberwillow]

@@lucasb9285 but people are going too far and attacking the entire group, their appearances and flat out bullying them.

[@amberwillow]

​@@ldrago6031 Look at what you just wrote and think that over, please. How would you feel if I said that about one of ur ults when they made a mistake.

[@Ara_520]

@@ldrago6031 did you watch the whole performance of him? Did you understand the lyrics? You probably don't,He made a theme for this showdown which is about romantic relationship. He prepared three raps to make a cohesive storytelling of his fictional girlfriend and his (fictional) experience with her. The first two raps were melodic and talks about his sadness after the girl broke up with him (one of his lyrics were "I thought there was we'). Then the last rap, this one, is aggressive rap because it is where he is taking out his anger to the girl after finding out she was only after his money (his lyrics: fuck that hoe, in my bank, yeah that bitch stopped breathing) And no, he did not kill or r*ped the girl.The song by carti isn't abt violence. And also the lyrics "that bitch stop breathing" from the original song it only means that the girl was breathless. There is no way he became misogynistic because he did not INSULT WOMEN, DEGRADE WOMEN, and STEREOTYPED WOMEN. He is pertaining to a single person - a (fictional) woman who used him- and called her a hoe, which is the correct term for people who are like her. Please have some extensive reading and comprehension of the word misogyny.

[@reisbae5687]

they're so talented and have sooo much potential

[@reisbae5687]

@Cute Foxy but he left the group

[@Zonnique_]

Bro we to support them no matter how they look and what they do we have no right to judge them

[@vtfulserendipityz6663]

I know that a lof of people hate him but im kinda disgusted with the comments section. I dont approve of wat he did but yall r acting like saints. Yall r also aasuming u know him personally that he does "violence". Heck one of these commenters could be one of my kpop friends for all i care & leo would look like a saint next to em. Yall act like yalls idols havent had any scandals. I hav kpop friends who sexualize idols & all he did was right a song that some of the lyrics werent even his but from the original song. Again i am not saying he was in the wrong im just disgusted by yalls hypocrisy. Yall could be watching porn, backstabbing friends, singing songs w/ disgusting lyrics, stealing from someone, cheating.. Be glad ur not celebs smh (i will not b stanning them but i dont like how this has gone too far. Yall taking this too far 😕) I hope when u make mistakes in ur life the people around u wont giv u a 2nd chance just like how yall r so close minded about Leo's. Hes freakin 19 i know hes an adult but hes still got tons of yrs left. Dont destroy it by acting like yall have not sinned.

[@siomairice3207]

8:00 one video takes about 10 days to produce ?? im really amazed how you would upload every single day. like- the amount of effort you put into these. oh god, we stan

[@batnaana]

and what is up with this “canceling careers..” mistakes happen and in order to improve you need to learn, yall ain’t giving tA a chance either. i’m 100% sure some people arguing about this could have done many mistakes but bcs their faces aren’t on social media they don’t get “canceled” they worked hard for years and make mistakes to learn from them only to have someone “cancel their career” tf is that

[@katie5920]

What he did wasn't a mistake though, he sat down and made those lyrics and he speaks fluent English

[@brightcheekyky4374]

@@katie5920 he wrote down the lyrics?

[@brightcheekyky4374]

@Camera so why people hating home as if he wrote the lyrics ....?(question mark face🌞)

[@ot12stan61]

@@brightcheekyky4374 cause he did he changed some of the original lyrics

[@Enhypenmeencanta]

Bruh… I can’t believe people are hating them for their nationality 🗿 I thought it was cool they had so many nationalities in 1 group! 😩💕 People are sick and all B^LLSHIT! They should all just rot in a hole bc they are jealous of these talented and amazing young guys! And I do think Leo should get another chance bc we ALL know we all did something bad in our life time and no one is perfect!

[@thehannahsknowsshow4119]

already love them

[@belle8000]

1:05 sorry but this photo is so wrong its showing left members not woochan and yorch

[@farinhossainy5029]

I love your videos!!

[@ydkh]

The way my anxiety is triggering me by seeing a guy like Leo debut. What is wrong with the company?!

[@natashaelqsiixan8748]

Doing too much, its a carti song that literally meant that women stopped breathing when he took off his shirt becsuse hes too hot. You kpop fans wouldnt last a day listening to mere hiphop or rap bruh and jump to the worst assumptions without acknowledging the context 💀 he should have picked a better song bc hes a kpop boy but yall are doing WAY too much

[@ydkh]

@@natashaelqsiixan8748 internalised misogyny is a thing yk. You’d know if you knew south korean contexts regarding politicians and women being threatened there since the new election. Using slurs like “bitch” and the connotations of the song which are obv violent if you hadn’t been indoctrinated to accept it just like that, I’d say my friend, you’re doing TOO LITTLE.

[@ydkh]

@@natashaelqsiixan8748 rap has genres and internalised misogyny and perpetuation thereof is none of them. Go stan this company of you want. Go right ahead.

[@kyraaguinaga9382]

OMG Trainee A r soooo nice! they r all very nice, at least for me. Even though they have hates and comments, they will always shine through