Why PoE Players Are Quitting PoE2

[@89TStefan]

I am also an ex-PoE-veteran who started playing PoE 2. PoE 2 is surely not bad but it has nothing to do with PoE anymore. It is its own game, with its own rules, own mechanics, and so on. I am not saying it is bad, just different. I can't even compare the two of them in any way. And that, in itself would have been fine. Yeah, some people complain about dodging. I like it. The whole combat systems feels a lot more intuitive and fluent. Also nice are the gems which I must say were always the worst downturn on PoE for me all the time. It just sucks to try your best luck with getting enough sockets, enough gems, and so on to hope to be able to use the skill you want to use plus having the right color... All that is gone for good! But the real turnoffs are other things. For example, the really weird balancing mechanics in terms of defense. Up to now, only valid are health, resistances and energy shield. Dodging became almost useless, the same as armor. Instead, people are more or less forced to play glass cannon and sorcs/witches equip +max life or so. Overall, defense perks seem lackluster due to a number of factors, the most obvious that you cannot really "tank" anymore except for being completely broken with infinite energy shield or so. What comes on top is that they didn't learn of the faults which PoE clearly has. Let it be the trading system, or the loot system in general. You find more stuff for others than for yourself and the trade system is lacluster which is just frustrating. You can run for hours while your friend who plays the game for 1 hour finds something you might need way more.... The game offers a variety of choice which is not really "choice", simply because the balancing makes the choice like it is. You can play easy-mode with a witch on frost or more like hard-mode with a chaos witch, until you find the really relevant skills and equip at lvl 50+ something while the ranger gets everything easily from the start. Or you, if you would have taken minions instead. There is not even much for experimentation because of the huge cost. Better start another character rather than respeccing at lvl 40... And the endgame is nowhere even being interesting. You screwed the map? Well, you lose your waystone, all boni as well as events, 10% exp removed as well, they drop completely random so you might not get a new one when using the map. Or if you didn't upgrade and have bad luck...well... You are level 80+ or need just maps lvl 15. Well, they only offer lvl 1 and you have fun with upgrading your stones and hope you get higher ones, of course also with the same materials you need for upgrading your equipment. Honestly: It has a lot of potential but it seems GGG didn't learn from PoE about what PoE should be, on top of that they make the same annoying mistakes again and it feels not only unfinished but in some ways, the overall concept seems to be wrong at best, so not sure what to think about the game yet. It could become really great if they do make the right decisions or just a total downfall if they don't.

[@yazuki-wolf]

Thanks for the feedback! I’m pinning this cause I think it’s a far more detailed breakdown than I could give myself. Really interesting insights. I definitely agree about the streamlined gem system. That’s one of the big things that turned me off the original

[@LordOberon67]

@@yazuki-wolfagree to all of the above

[@Ge_n_Ge]

Perfect discribed it needs a TON of work .. and its kinda pay to win .. i farm all day 3 weeks my friend just bought 10 D orbs for some money and have way better op gear.. after campaign

[@Tjbarnes-d2x]

Bruh noone’s gonna read att this shit!!

[@Angeldemonhybrid172]

​​@@Ge_n_Gewell your friend RMT'd then and that's against TOS hope he gets banned genuinely.

[@PolluxStrike]

I love this game too but dear lord there is plenty of shit wrong with this game right now

[@GodHexe]

Yup. I'm gonna wait for the other classes to come out , I'm glad I didn't buy the more expensive packs

[@Ricardolivechannel]

Especially that forging set up that alone turn me away from the game like would do I need a currency to randomly place a stat on my items why can’t I just get gems like STR DEX ACCURACY SPRIT HEALTH ETC PLUS IT TO LIKE MAX 15 and forge it in my gear so u go from plus one to plus 15

[@domppa100ify]

I didn't mind getting one shot in the campaign, because there was reusable checkpoint near the boss. > Back there trial and error got rewarded. I do mind getting oneshot in maps, league areas and trials, because you lose so much time and resources by just attempting bosses blind. > At this point of the game trial and error get punished. (I dont understand the point of reducing attempts to one from six, when the game is already more difficult) Then there is the EA problem of different types of defences being less or more strong compared to others atm: -Armor problem > cant tank big hits even when built as tank (0.1.1 buffs this) -Evasion problem > cant tank physical aoe hits (boss main attacks as ranged) and gets punished for getting the node that lets you include them. -Energy shield problem > can tank pretty much everything and has broken scaling synergies -Armor+Evasion > has problems of both armor and evasion scaled up. Doesn't work even when starting near these nodes -Evasion+Energy shield > Works, if you start near energy shield nodes -Armor+Energy shield > Works, if you start near energy shield nodes, but you most likely dont need armor at that point. "League" (dont remember the word to describe these) problems: -Precursor tablets for these are too rare -Breach basic loot is too strong for loot and most of the time the breach rings are garbage and catalysts will just stay in stash waiting for that perfect ring. (they also removed the best catalyst: resistance). Also needs more splinters or less required splinters. (l doubt that many SSF players have done a single breachstone) -Delirium doesnt drop nearly enough more rare distillations and splinters and loot is horrible compared to breach. (sometimes bugs out in different ways) (0.1.1 improves simulacrum fragment drops) -Expedition currency being tradeable removes the reason to do the content of it. (it isnt tradeable in poe1 and will most likely get changes when expedition locker gets added back). Also logbooks are too rare -Ritual is useless and a waste of time until mby when you get the lucky valuable omen or mby AFTER getting all of the good nodes for it (0.1.1 improves omen appear chances) EDIT: Other problems that l have experienced: Crafting: -Crafting loop for SSF atm is just: Slam the limited resources that have dropped for you on good base items for completely random results > reforge said bad rares for a reroll. (if your build only accepts one type of base gear, then the drops are too rare) -Greater Essenses barely drop (yes you can reforge them) --Annulment orbs are impossibly rare, but also pretty much useless (unless mby for chancing jewels? or with omens), because of chaos orb rework (13.1. stream they recognize this) -No way to turn quality flasks into glassblower orbs. (bug or a feature? -Omens, the only viable way to control crafting, are too rare and valuable to use with how much randomness there will be left. (majority of players wont get these and even if they do, they wont use them for their own crafting) (0.1.1 improves this) -Can't swap runes on gear (0.1.1 fixese this) Trading: -The trade league economy has already inflated to absurd degrees. -Trading makes crafting even more useless. Maps: -Strongbox enemy spawning is delayed (bug). The loot isnt worth the time investment atm. (0.1.1 fixes this) -Item level doesn't keep up with the player level when progressing maps, so you will be 5-10 levels above the items that you can use. (if you full clear and only die 1 out of 10 maps) (they have recognized this as a problem on stream) -Loot rarity, Precursor tablet drop chance and Waystone drop and tier increase chance are pretty much mandatory when doing map progression, if you actually want to have enough drops for self sustain. (0.1.1 improves this) Monsters: -Mana drain and Flask charge drain Rare monsters move too fast compared to Hasted Rares and the only counterplay to them is fast dps. (even with 35% movement speed boost and slows) Skills: -Some spirit gems don't have enough useful support gems atm or support gems that don't increase the spirit cost (examples: attrition, Overwhelming Presence) -Atm some skills are overtuned and some are undertuned -Some skills just feel bad to use (exampe: plasma blast)

[@yazuki-wolf]

Yeah definitely, I started maps shortly after making this video and where I liked playing at the edge of what my build can handle in the campaign, the endgame design seems to force you to play ultra conservatively, which I guess extends the grind, but not in a good way.

[@dustincooper7181]

Best most honest take I read in here

[@tongkachu]

Poe 2 is challenging But the rewards for completion, exploration are nothing. Imagine looking all over the huge map, but theres nothing but dead ends.

[@wildhog7210]

That doge role to avoid a one-shot kill is why I raged quite a few times before finally uninstalling it and finding something else to play.

[@ADVGuiltyParty]

I’m same. I have better things to do with my life than slam my head against a wall to ‘git gud’

[@joik3308]

I had hoped they would change the trade system and make drops matter , I get zero excitement from having to go online on the website and buy the item i need from someone else , almost feels like i'm cheating but doing SSF doesn't add anything to the game either since drops and crafting takes a lot of RNG luck.

[@Bmurraylikescurry]

Yeah, I will never understand why trade is pushed so hard in a game genre that revolves around loot drops. Instead of having to go to some website to get good gear, wouldn't it be better to get it from just playing the game?? I really hope they adjust the drops in the future.

[@limother3749]

@@Bmurraylikescurry the crafting system isn't for average players

[@s1rf0rt4h8]

I have gotten over a lot of the issues. One thing I can't live with is the constant cheap feeling deaths in t15 maps. Some monsters are heavily overturned, and if you take 1 hit, you are locked into unavoidable death. In a constant losing battle trying to reach level 90 takes one death to lose 10 maps of progress.

[@thomasdrinkmoore9827]

I want the ability to make a really tanky character. They could balance it out with making the dodge roll more useless if you get tankier. Kinda like no rest for the wicked. I'd like that very much!

[@LexiconPrime7]

I suspect PoE1 players wanted MORE PoE1 with PoE2's upgraded engine/graphics/animations/vfx, and some of its QoL. They did not get that, and I assume that's a significant disappointment.

[@yazuki-wolf]

Yeah, I hope they can still get it in the form of PoE updates but we’ll see

[@GodHexe]

💯 exactly

[@whytewoman]

We wanted what was shown off at Exilecon 2019 lol

[@SidRandom]

I reinstalled it thinking maybe I over reacted. 20 min later uninstalled it again. You pretty much nailed it. Its a dodge game, not fun

[@SokaMagic]

Yep did the same. I deinstalled it again. Game design is super flawed in poe2. Don't want to play a game which punishes me for trying to have fun. Build making is so restricted. At first as a new player, I thought I can build whatever I want. Only to realise that it is super restrictive. There is a reason why build diversity is sooo small in poe2.

[@chicagoscott777]

The moment to moment gameplay in POE 2 requires us to be present and focused. I find it much more engaging.

[@hard8all5]

I only played Diablo 2 about 12 years ago, and this is my first experience with POE2. The moment I realized I need to use my brain to kill enemies, instead of just holding one button like in MU Online, really impressed me. I like it! In the late game, it starts to become more of a one-button game, but until then, it's very interesting. It makes me feel emotional, like a kid again. And since this is still early access, it’s very inspiring.

[@jasonlee8156]

Being an early access game I can expect some issues. Unless they are dealt with I cannot seriously recommend it to anyone I know. It's bugs/glitches include freezing or lagging in some cases to it crashing at various times. Also some of the bosses are heavily overpowered at the beginning. Like the bloated miller you encounter right before you get into Clearfell encampment. Trying to beat the boss without dying takes a lot of time and effort.

[@jamin-r4k]

i would have prefered poe 1 with new acts and contents as successor not a completely different game like poe 2. the devs don't understand why people play poe1

[@miko2145]

It's weird to me why GGG want POE2 to be slower and more methodical than POE1. If they want a darksouls they should've made a souls clone instead of an arpg.

[@spacedoohicky]

I believe in a sense Elden Ring is an ARPG. The build diversity isn't the same, but it is an RPG that is action based. The primary difference is there is no fixed camera in Elden Ring. I'm struggling to see a difference that matters with the category.

[@yazuki-wolf]

Yeah this is actually something I want to explore more in the future but I think people seem to have separated ARPGs and Action RPGs into separate categories even though you’d think they’re the same thing.

[@MimiMimi-yj4kl]

What makes poe2 hard compared to poe1 is the mob attacks and crowd control . Monsters in poe2 are moving mach 10 speed

[@adamxiong1817]

We're so critical because we wanted POE-2 to be upscaled in every possible way, esp game play experience. Otherwise, what's the point? Should have just made an expansion for POE-1. Too many things wrong and the nerfs that make skills and builds unplayable is hurting the experience. There is no longer variety anymore (esp in end-game).

[@DrewCheech]

Like everyone else here, I'm enjoying PoE2 - AND - it's incredibly frustrating at times. PoE2 feels like an ARPG in name only. There's no leveling up and feeling super powerful to wade into a group of enemies and laying waste. It's more like an MMO dungeon where you gotta agro/pull one or a few enemies at a time, because if you're overwhelmed it's game over. Trials turn this ARPG/MMO hybrid into a rouge-lite, my time in there felt like I was playing Hades. And if I'm playing Monk or Warrior - it's the same slow gameplay loop of attack, dodge roll, attack, dodge roll, etc. Playing with friends is a terrible experience because everything is way harder to kill, with near impossible boss fights as it takes 10 uninterrupted seconds to revive someone. It's not worth the trouble. And there's no need to go into the end game issues, there's more than enough videos and comments about all that. Still - I'm hopeful for the games future and I truly hope GGG are paying attention to the feedback from the casual gamers.

[@hueythegreat]

What are you talking about? lol, im having a blast as a warrior. literally theres an ability that stomps your enemies. "stampede" then explodes with shockwaves and aftershocks. theres a lot of sense with the wind up, otherwise, that warrior melee is going to be broken. game is not perfect, thats why its early access, so the devs can get the feedbacks they need.

[@GodHexe]

Trials was the 2nd to last straw for me with the honor system lol

[@Kerojey]

@@hueythegreat he literally said, he was playing with friends, you cl0wn. This "game" increase enemy hp by like 100% if you in a party.

[@DrewCheech]

@@hueythegreat my opinion shouldn’t take away, or define the experience you’ve had. This was simply my EA feedback. I’m glad your having a blast, as am I 😁

[@Quantisk]

What game are you playing? Basically everybody is blowing screens of enemys at this point?! If me beeing a mega poe noob can do it then i have no problem screaming skill issue involved

[@EndOfDays1290]

No loot and pure gacha to progress through the campaign. I'm not grinding for chances or being forced to use the trade post because they want me to buy off people who enjoy this type of experience. Not within the spirit of an ARPG. I'm happy with everything else though. The Campaign and mechanics are fun end game needs alot more work.

[@yazuki-wolf]

That’s fair. I was able to complete the campaign without trading or being particularly grindy, but the current end game looks like the grindiest most RNG based game play I’ve seen.

[@EndOfDays1290]

@okamichamploo my first character I managed to complete the campaign without needing to trade or even gamble, I am new to the franchise and went in blind. My second character I had to trade a fair bit because I was not getting any drops and the gambling rng was so bad. Something has to give, either with better loot or deterministic crafting. I feel like it's being balanced purely around trade and I don't like that idea, the game should be balanced around the solo experience primarily. But it's EA, I'm a new player, so will see.

[@danieldobie973]

Path of Exiles 2 is an attempt to marry two fundamentally different design philosophies, the traditional loot-based ARPG and the slower, more tactical souls-like. After playing nearly 200 hours, I have to say that it seems that the effort is rather flawed and only likely to produce a jack of all trades, but master of none, that will ultimately appeal to only a limited few, and leave the rest asking "Who is this for?" Shame - a wasted opportunity

[@bet0o1021]

currently stuck in a weird spot. strong enough to get to T10 maps, too broke to get decent gear upgrades because the market is super fucked. So now im sitting on my hands not knowing what to do. Praying the RNG gods shows me the well in the desert, if you will.

[@takashikun6979]

i was farming t16-18 and just dropped trade league and wen't ssf

[@lysanderhuynh]

Sometimes it is just asking question and they ignore people. I, however, help whomever requires it. Weapons and elemental nodes missing... Some build meta build while others prefer self-build. I will wait until more options are available.

[@c4rb0m3r]

Playing the game itself is a reward for me after a day of work. Being punish (xp penalty, etc) for playing the game, feel bad. Quit after campaign.

[@vexx12343]

The3 design philosophy is pain. It is exhausting 100 hours later and i cant imagine doing the campaign again I only rolled one char too.

[@colinpastuch]

The campaign is the only good part of the game. Mapping is awful. I hate POE1.

[@Nefirim]

​@@colinpastuch lol mapping is the only reason to play poe 1

[@subzero308]

Game is boring af I got to act 2 and went back to D4 and other games.. D4 may have its problems but atleast I can have fun in that game. Poe2 is not fun at all.

[@WitherAndrot]

Poe2 just has nothing to offer to me as poe1 fan. Nothing. I don't care too much bout graphics, there's no unique poe2 content and and most of what has been taken from poe1 is watered and dumber down. So I have zero interest.

[@colinpastuch]

POE1 is an awful game.

[@Kerojey]

@@colinpastuch then poe 2 is even more awful

[@WitherAndrot]

@@colinpastuch I know man, low IQ really prevents people from having fun in poe1.

[@titusbojan4271]

The game is basically just for the streamers to enjoy. How can I compete with my minion build, when some dude zaps arround with his gemling whatever lightning nonsense and clears the whole map in 2 microseconds. Had fun till level 60 or so, but I rather stick with D4 or D2 resurrected. If they gonna copy the all mighty Blizz, it can't get better than the original, not in a million years.

[@Tarkiltunnel]

Personally, poe2 could not grab my attention. By act 2 normal I was so bored out of my mind I stopped playing. The speed was a big issue and by level 30 I felt no power scaling in my character

[@yazuki-wolf]

Yeah I had a “I’m actually pretty bored right now” moment myself around midway through act 2. It picked up again going into Act 3 but then I got some more boring stretches in cruel difficulty, usually from no longer being challenged by enemies but still needing to clear overly large maps to progress. I still think it’s a good game on the whole but I don’t blame you at all for putting it down.

[@parob7285]

They forgot to add fun to it imho

[@JC-vx9ht]

Ill play it when its free. It just looks soooo SSlloowww.

[@yazuki-wolf]

That’s fair. Im sure there will be a lot of rebalancing done by then.

[@TrollAxeThrower]

Speed. It's all about speed. For me everything else doesn't matter to me that much. IDGAF about the market, about magic find, about whatever. I want to move fast. Putting running animation on your character doesn't mean it runs. Compare D2 running to POE2 movement. I rather have stamina if it meant the game would Fing move faster. The slow pace breaks me. Every time I'm thinkging of coming back I feel like "FFS I have to walk all that distance? And not only for next waypoint, but for quests too? In a gigantic sluggish map?" I don't think GGG play their own game tbh. How this sluggishness got passed testing is beyond me.

[@starbreeze7249]

Personally I got to maps, saw you get one life, and then decided that I don't want to play psuedo-hardcore and uninstalled. Didn't really complain, had no interest in offering suggestions, and assume they'll realize that one life and so many other things are not what they want in the release version.

[@yazuki-wolf]

@@starbreeze7249 yeah I’d be really surprised if they keep the end game as it is

[@GodHexe]

I'll come back (maybe) when the game is fleshed out. Too much crap in the game that seemed designed to waste your time, piss you off and make you question why you're even playing this when you could be doing something fun.

[@sesimie]

The Illusion of Choice and Addiction to grind. I prefer POE2 because I play all types of games. A well timed dodge is more meaningful to me than hoarding loot that makes you want to make new characters. I conquered Alt-itis in the Wrath of the Lich king days, one of the most addicting games of all time in World of Warcraft. So many choices leads to watering down content.

[@Warsign01]

Dont chase past T15, and don't play trade. SSF only. The game trade economy is trap.

[@NoobTheMexicanNinja]

Its for people that want to delude themselves with the idea of being alive to be alright

[@christof2122]

We have to remember that poe is a game develop in the first place in a garage and they throw stuff in the game to build ann absurd f**** good game. I played the beta at the time, in comparaison with poe today it was soooooo slow and brutal very brutal. My first character was a warrior, he stayed for years at lvl 58 act 1 merciless difficulty. So now, poe took this trajecctory which the progression scale too much too fast, but slowing down the game in fact was not an option anymore just because its so fun! I think they just don't want to make the same mistakes, ok we can see some build which ccan clear a WS15 in a minute but this is the build with a thinking behind item to find/trade for making it working and imo this is all about what this game is about. Right now Im playing a mercenary archmage spark with a bow and a quiver, it makes no sense but this is why i love this game!!!

[@PocketORitoshine]

It's not a different approach aside from the dodge rolls. It's a reboot of PoE 1 in its beginning stages. Same stuff is op as it was then, same stuff is underpowered as it was then. And all the good stuff is at the end when you need at least DECENT stuff to get there to begin with. People wearing the same gear for 20-30 or more levels cause this RNG crafting just won't allow. I mean, the fact that ES and CI are back on top again is the nail in it to me. We've seen all of these issues and fixes already YEARS ago. How we came back around to it is just beyond me completely. Plus, the shaper like dmg buffs of *gain X% dmg as added dmg type*? Come on broooo, again? Ugh.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

Agreed…but also not The first time I played PoE1, there were 3 acts in the campaign and then you went on to cruel There was no mapping And there were no ascendancies There wasn’t even an SSF or ruthless difficulties Melee and spontaneous builds were doable, but not good PoE2 is in an even less accessible state than it was then It’s the worst of both worlds in many ways

[@yazuki-wolf]

Yeah I definitely think there's a lot of room for improvement in the end game. My last vid was based primarily on Act 1, so I’m beginning to see a lot more of what you’re saying here now that I’ve finished the campaign.

[@Yadeehoo]

On one hand you have the regular peasant with snail speed movement. One the other you have Empy, Fubgun and cie zooming faster that in Poe1. There is no middle ground. Not sure what the philosophical idea is behind this design choice.

[@PocketORitoshine]

@Yadeehoo Agreed.

[@Tylos21]

act 1-3 was amazing besides the stupidly giant maps towards the end of act 3. mapping is horrible it is just like doing a giant map with barely any bosses. ill do act1-6 on a few toons on release but unless endgame gets fixed ill pass on endgame,after 100 hours in endgame i havent even got to fight a single pinnacle boss so what am i even doing endgame for?

[@JoshTheMadLad]

Only issue I have with the game is the damn passive tree being so boring. Shit like chaos inoculation was a notable in POE 1, yet small passives here are +5% dmg and notables are +15% dmg. It's all just dmg rather than allowing you to change the way the skills interact with each other.

[@LunicMusic0]

You just said exactly what i think... POE1 is a true ARPG. and thats why i love it. i want to play Path of Exile. not Dark Souls.

[@RelaxedpiperYoutube]

It needs to be fun bottom line. lol Too many issues with PoE2 atm. ARPGs to me are to relax and have fun while building power fantasy.

[@multikatm1354]

Needs more in depth league mechanics.Breach,expedition,and delerium just are not too exiciting.Thought delve was going to be in early access.Miss incursion as well.The way things are now am looking forward to the next poe 1 league just a little more than poe 2.

[@fbidice8097]

Man, I want the launch experience with a Cruel start difficulty. It gets boring with a second character.

[@delpow]

go hardcore and stay in that league if you are so pro

[@indiegamesonly6617]

Wooo another video!

[@vaporreads5095]

Imo games and more specifically sequels, should evolve and differentiate themselves from their predecessors. Keeping the spirit of the original while making moves into something new. To do the opposite and simply make more of the same would make the game, the genre, the industry stale, look no further than the yearly AAA releases and even new ips that just copy other established games and flop HARD. I get that poe is a gem and change is hard to accept, but what GGG is doing is connendable and seems to be a long rerm vision aoproach, something which is severely lacking in the industry. Besides, the fame is fun and challenging and thats what matters most.

[@patrickg399]

poe2 is definitely not soulslike in my opinion, its pretty much the same as PoE1 but with less content but instead better graphics. and therefore its very disappointing given the fact it was developt over 6 years now

[@batslav]

Game is not out yet so i believe there will more content, cant tell how good it will be but there will be more than what we have now. Let's not forget that the idea of early access is exactly that, to test the game give feed back and if they care can do some changes.

[@zalaquin]

I enjoy the slower pace of the campaign and just build different characters and don’t even play endgame. Also on that note the poe1 players still have poe1 to play. Why make poe1 again when it already exists

[@mielquizon784]

POE 1 gem system is hard compare in Poe 2 in Poe 2 they well explain how work the gems skill and gem support

[@dathurt7545]

I only have 3 complaints trials being overtuned, losing maps and map buff on death and ascendancy respec fix those things and i think its a great game

[@yazuki-wolf]

Yeah I didn't even mention trials cause I think I've been psychologically blocking that experience from my memory lol. I might be ok with the lost waystones and buffs if they gave us a try for each of the six portals it opens.

[@dawidgaeziewski1766]

I finished the campaign. Was fun. But there are many other great games to try out. Will probably try it again with different class but for now I’m good

[@marjokun2845]

1. It's early access, Jonathan said plenty of times to expect unbalanced crazy things going on, GGG took a break for holidays (they deserve some), we have to wait and see what's coming next 2. Slower gameplay doesn't mean it's worse (D2 wasn't that super fast, you could be fast later on) 3. There is bunch of PoE1 Harvest 3.14 enjoyers which will always say that it was the best PoE time of all time, in short term, yeah it was fun. For long term it would ruin the game (what's unique in mirror tier items when all items are mirror tier? "When everyone is super, no one will be"), but most of people would like PoE2 to be actually slower, all friends I have say the same thing, only on internet there are people crying over it. 4. Obviously there will be less content in PoE2, we are gonna get more and more as time will pass by. Patience. Nonetheless, game already have big depth. 5. The loudest always will be those who don't enjoy something. Most of those that enjoy will be silent and don't bother with "internet opinions" 6. Literally patience, PoE2 is way better than most of the game releases nowadays. Game needs more balance changes, most of the stuff will be fixed by just simply adjusting numbers. 7. Steam chart still looks crazy, of course it will go down overtime, but it's going very slow. And game is about seasons, it will drop at some point only to go up when new season will arrive. Don't expect everyone to play constantly for months, PoE was never a game where you will play that much (literally PoE1 steam chart) # edit 8. Build variety, of course will be lower than PoE1, this game was just released, many people enjoy playing it instead of spending time on theory crafting, We don't have PoB which also makes it harder. We have less tools to make builds but also for now there is less people willing to try make a build. And we have lot's of builds but obviously people will most likely look only for most broken builds that will get nerfed and will assume that variety is super low

[@subzero308]

Man knock it off wit the "its early access" excuse... The game isn't fun its boring this game isn't gonna change much at all its gonna have tweaks this game is finished y'all fanboys over hyped it and people r seeing that 😂

[@marjokun2845]

@@subzero308 Ahh, thank you for very valid points, you totally changed my mind. Game is supposed to give you fun, seems that you clearly don't enjoy it so leave it and find one that you will like. Or just wait and see if it will change or not. You don't have to instantly jump on me only because you don't agree with my view on the situation.

[@glitchthroughtheground]

very good explanation (with graph) to explain the issue (I have as well)

[@JByrd606]

I feel like we are just complaining to complain at this point. We made a new game but its not exactly like the previous game (thats 10 years old) and now im upset, because they added new mechanics that ALOT of people seem to enjoy. and oh no its early access so theres bugs just like any other game releasing in 2020's.

[@subzero308]

Na the games just boring.

[@JByrd606]

@subzero308 340k people would disagree with you but I'm sure it's better than mortal combat.👍 Happy new year

[@fandaklada609]

@@JByrd606 It was 500k people last week... numbers go down pretty quickly. Looks like there is something bad in this game after all.

[@thomasgreed9581]

@@JByrd606 in poe1 only 15% of players finished act10 and not even 4% killed eater or exarch, so my guess is that around 51 000 players are in maps in poe2, and around 14 000 players are searching for citadelles. the real test for poe2 will be when monster hunter wild releases, the d4 tourists will also be gone on january 21.

[@JByrd606]

@@fandaklada609 I don't seem to see the point your making? 150k people are hungover on new years day? Sounds about right. 👍

[@Daf0ck1]

First, the story mode is hard to many and new Player dies tons of times at bosses. I did my self too dying 30x on boss which fking pissed me off. Economy now ks fked up and at low lvls without trade is hard to upgrade and do with good stats weapons. But I not give up and I enjoy to play the game. Made ice strike monk and I bash Story mode easy with proper stats in gear and build guide.

[@Erdbeerenserver]

Not for me just yet. I much rather have a shiny new PoE 1 league

[@mikenieradko8877]

Think of this way: If you took a gamer who does NOT pay attention to any gaming news and release news, and put them in front of POE1 and POE2 for 20+ hours each, such that they could try out different features and leveling, which game do you think the player would state was RELEASED FIRST? Imagine that POE2 doesn't have the number titling on it. I bet a lot of said players would think that POE2 came before POE1, because it feels like a devolution of ARPG gameplay, QOL features, itemization, currency system, etc. POE2 is a masochism simulator with all the goodness of POE1 stripped out. Visual clarity was supposed to be better? there is none. Balance was supposed to be better? there is none. Uniques are largely worthless. Melee is a joke. QOL does not exist. Who is this game for? The ones who were paid to promote it and have all the time in the world, which is masochistic streamers. Enjoy your dodging simulator

[@souravsuman368]

I also currently quit till ggg releases a new patch in January.

[@L0elz]

Loool this game is too good not a failure at all. It’s still in preview and it’s enjoyable to play

[@GodHexe]

Cope

[@kontrollierteschaos4068]

The best thing about Poe2 so far is the WASD movement.

[@dodang_9147]

The thing is. why would you make POE2 if your entire goal is to make exact same game as POE1. I think whole idea of POE1 VS POE2 is to make two DIFFERENT types of action rpg's. i believe POE2 is more centered around ruthless mode. Ruthless mode is mostly centered around soft-core. the idea is that game is hard but you can unlimited chance to play the game. POE1 was centered around hard-core. the idea is that the game is easy but you need know how to approach/plan for it to flawless the game. in essence, it is appealing to different audience. strangely enough, POE2 does become closer to POE1 in Cruel difficult and mapping. Eventually in the end game, you do become super strong. the game is far more fast paced but survival mechanics of the game remain the same.

[@Yadeehoo]

It's only ruthless up until you get a Temporalis or try out flicker strike. Then it become seizure simulator.

[@ADVGuiltyParty]

D2 was superior to d1 but still retained that Diablo style of combat. PoE2 is very different it’s almost a backwards step in all regards except visuals, sound and story telling

[@Uelibertiga]

@@ADVGuiltyParty This is the key point for me. PoE2 does many things wrong or worse than in PoE1. There are so many things like on death effects that got solved years ago.

[@alexpoulin6807]

you should change the title to >

[@subzero308]

He's not tho the game is boring and was over hyped.

[@DontEatSmurfs]

@@subzero308 the game is not even OUT yet, what hype ? the one you created for yourself ?

[@starbreeze7249]

excellent counterargument, do you have any more?

[@Totozme]

Because they want the same game but it's different

[@rgocandel]

You’re overcomplicating things. The most important aspect is that people enjoy the game. Why are you saying it shouldn’t be like a Souls game? That’s the very reason most people play it these days-because it’s Souls-like.

[@LowkeyMMD]

PoE2 is frustrating to play. Everything in the game feels like a slog/chore. The fact the campaign takes so much longer to clear is what kills it for me, I just want to go to mapping early/fast...

[@dimakor5914]

Dark Souls games are not hard, in Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne there are no hard bosses at all (except DLCs). One or two tries all you need. Three max. Point and click combat never was about skill. It is not 3D action. So hard point and click game simply means gear check, not skill.

[@131313jim]

The game has many positive things but I don't know how they fix the clunky play. It's clunk clunk clunk with zero mobility

[@jonivilander5758]

Problem with game is empty endgame and skills locked behind weapons, also loot should be buffed and remove whole fucking iir from the game

[@durtyred86]

From a noobs perspective, PoE 2 is like that one chic you date that's a beast in bed, will drive over an hr to give you lunch everyday, and does literally anything you ask...... But she's a heavy pinch of crazy. And overtime, that crazy outweighs everything because you know deep down in your soul, she'll unalive you one day over something you didn't even do.... I love this game but the punishment is heavy. Too heavy for my casual @$$.... Also, shout out to Christina.... I still think of what could have been, 20 years later.......😅😔

[@thechosenseljak]

😆

[@yazuki-wolf]

lol. That was a very specific analogy ;)

[@MirrorBlood]

This dude said unalive you 😅man shut you never had a chick like that

[@MirrorBlood]

Unalive that lame as€ comment😅

[@durtyred86]

@MirrorBlood so.... You're literally hating on someone you don't know, and claiming it never happened?? I'm probably twice your age kid. You were more than likely in diapers. I know chics don't come cut like that often these days... I feel for all of you all in a way. But buddy, they exist. Some even without the crazy. But please, don't mix me in with your 20-28 year old mentality.... I'm too old for that ridiculous mindset. Go find one and live your life young man.

[@darkanraiden]

No one is quiting man, nice baiting

[@F1rstp3rson]

Releasing Early Access and then going on a vacation is a dumb move. Globally operating companies which have international business should have a crew on deck for "vacations". People aren't being responded to from support. If you want international business, you better provide support that doesn't care about Christmas or holidays.

[@MimiMimi-yj4kl]

Many purchased the game so it's time for vacation. Profit is their target

[@Agapanthah]

In POE 2, you just don't level as quickly. I don't see how you could have frequent. start-overs. This opinion is from a very slow, beginner, average player. Maybe the game could evolve to having housing and fishing. THAT would be fun! :))))))))

[@jermelpurse3018]

Stop complaining my goodness. The game is in early access. It’s a sequel. It is not gonna be as flushed out as the original. How many years did it take to build upon the originals foundation? This is supposed to be a fresh start with better mechanics to draw in new players. To offer old players a fresh start at a new adventure. Nobody said hey come play this game. You’re already playing. This is a new game hence the 2 in the title. People are complaining too much that it doesn’t have this and it doesn’t have that it’s not supposed to yet. All of that stuff won’t be there on day one just like it wasn’t there on day one when you were playing the original.

[@jeanpierre3061]

this game is in early access you're not meant to be reach end game and trying to 100% the game. You're meant to find glitches/bugs/inbalances. You're meant to make 5-6+ characters, experiment with builds, complain about what doesn't work to GGG. So many uninformed people are treating this game like a full release. It's 100% expected for an early access game to get some drop off. Too many people that don't deserve to be in EA are bought into the hype and are upset it's hard or different from other ARPGs. People should be commenting on forms if they dislike something. You bought into the EA, now it's your job to give the feedback.

[@starbreeze7249]

You're confusing early access with beta. Just people you have some arbitrary definition for what people are meant to do does not mean that is what they're meant to do. This game won't be much different than it is now in 5 months on official release. You're right about the lack of content not being an argument for people because they're comparing a 10 year old game with a 1 month old one. "Why isn't POE1 exactly like POE2?"

[@barryrothe4124]

as some one that has played poe for 11 years and more than 11,000 hrs my biggest issue with poe 2 is they gave us the worst crafting system in an arpg ever

[@gresnake.]

Agree

[@juliustaylor9920]

Just fix the armor

[@ThimbaDM]

PoE2 is definately more up my alley than the original. I played the original years ago and while I liked it a lot, I'm not 18 anymore, so that type of ADHD loot fest is not that appealing. I really like the slower pace with bosses that gradually up the stakes during fights. The bosses in general are really, really good in PoE2.

[@m.h.4907]

@@ThimbaDM you haven't reached endgame, have you? It is even worse than PoE in terms of density and button spam, this time just without loot

[@ThimbaDM]

​@@m.h.4907 You're right I haven't. But for me it's not only the endgame in any game. Yes it's fun when some class really clicks and you feel like you can challenge yourself. But it's not a huge deal for me. If I don't like it, I just won't do it.

[@AaronWOfficial]

I couldn't get into poe 1, but I literally can't put poe 2 down. Over 300 hours on steam XD. It is pretty clear to me that this game was not made for people that liked poe 1, it was made to bring in new players and it certainly worked for me.

[@yazuki-wolf]

Me too! My friends tried so hard to get me into poe1 but it just never did it for me. Poe2 on the other hand, seems almost like my perfect ARPG ;)

[@AaronWOfficial]

@@yazuki-wolf Same for me except 1 thing, not even almost. It is my perfect arpg, period. Diablo 4 is a joke in comparison, and we are still in early access. Imagine when the game is finished and we have 3 extra acts to play + a more feature complete endgame maps system. This game is already fire, but it is gonna be even more fire when it is done.

[@BlueTemplar15]

@@yazuki-wolf How hard did friends push you ? (Which, done poorly, can be a turnoff.) What kind of class did you try ? (Heavy Strike is infamously bad, though I hear melee in general got better, but there's still the dual-edged aspect where some skills just feel bad until you manage to improve your build enough - which then feels very rewarding.) How far did you get in PoE1 ? In my experience you only start to both "get the game" and the game generally starts to impress you from around the end of act3. Which is sadly a huge issue considering how typically players are unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt to a game for long (and why would they ?) : In PoE1 most players never got past Act1. Which underlines the issue of talking about "playerbases" in deep games like these : it doesn't make the experience of these players any less valid ! This is going to be even more important for PoE2 because of the couch co-op experience : in addition to making it to the end of Act 3 alone (and I'll be back to continue as soon as life allows), I've also been doing couch co-op with a (Dark Souls fan) friend. We are definitely enjoying ourselves a lot, and we're clearly "regular players" at this point (doing this ~every Saturday since launch and I fully expect this to continue), but... despite this we're only up to the Act 1 boss. And instead of showing up as 2 players in the typically thrown around Steam statistic, we don't show up *at all* (because not using the Steam version). And in fact we would be underrepresented in those anyway, since the Steam stats are much more about player-hours than unique players : for instance PoE1 hit 13M unique players 7 years ago (5 years after release), but at which point its peak concurrent Steam players only hit 0.1M. So we're likely to end up in a situation when not only like in PoE1 where 85% of the playerbase never hit maps, but is dismissed by some in the fan minority as "not even having finished the tutorial". But now in PoE2 we'll probably have a large minority of the playerbase (mostly playing on console) that is playing casually but *regularly* in co-op, being almost completely invisible to the PoE2 'community' ! (which is always a small minority of the playerbase, and might this time be even smaller than those casual but regular players, depending on how you define 'regular') (PoE2 being (sadly) online-only, GGG of course does have all the stats. How much they care about casual players is going to depend on how they are able to make money from them - especially when PoE2 becomes free (PoE1 used to cost $10 BTW)).

[@whytewoman]

Made with the money of PoE1 players while PoE1 languishes without content. lol

[@BlueTemplar15]

@@whytewoman Did you seriously not expect the pace of PoE1 releases to slow down during the PoE2 open beta ?? Also, this complaint might have more teeth, if the last PoE1 season hadn't been one of the best seasons ever (why do you think GGG put so much effort in it ?)

[@andreichetan4694]

I’ll say this, it was way overhyped and it’s not a masterpiece . Just a good game with a focus on big grind. I’ll play it casually but it doesn’t reach my top 15 of all time

[@Chacal_Puant]

Noobs who didn't take ruthless seriously

[@ivanv6400]

I'll drop POE2 if it will be the same as POE1. Cuz i've played to POE1 at beginning but now it a "mess" with "meta" builds and "brain dead" clickings... Its is soooo booooring.

[@AliBoba]

PoE2 is not supposed to be the same as PoE. If you don't likr PoE2 play PoE, simple.

[@thomasgreed9581]

it is once you reach maps, there are almost no bossfights anymore

[@markomejac8172]

@@thomasgreed9581 Preach!

[@mtbmbtmmlp9993]

nobody is really quitting PoE2, apparently you are not familiar with how league/season content cycles work lul

[@aidieltaufik9954]

Haha yeah this guy just baited try to tell people this game is afailure😂😂😂

[@Kerojey]

@@aidieltaufik9954 But poe 2 is a failure

[@aidieltaufik9954]

@Kerojey what bruhh only you said it failure because you ragebaited it's not a failure it a success game if they tweaked many issues it's better than Poe 1 ..so funny you try to rage baited I have amazing experience play this game. also Poe 1 they fixed the game in 13 year it's still have a problem to complex and to fast even I don't understand what happening😂😂😂

[@Kerojey]

@@aidieltaufik9954 I'm not surprised that you don't understand what happening, but trust me, regular people understand it well enough, poe1 online count proves it. And Im not ragebaited, i already made several comments in this thread about why poe2 much worse than poe1

[@aidieltaufik9954]

@@Kerojey not understand?but you say it's a failure that's why funny please determine why it's failures?also I played Poe 1 thousand hour I know a lot of Poe 1that game much more complex than Poe 2 in it's have being fix 13 years imagine trying to tell the game in 3 weeks a failure game that have many content in early access..

[@adnauseam1432]

I fully understand why POE1 fans are not all on board with POE2's design decisions. If a game's core is not fun to you then it is disappointing to have your expectations dashed. That being said, the developer has no responsibility to create the "same game but better" just because there are people in their fan base that want that. As long as the developers are clear about what kind of product they are selling there is no wrongdoing here, and furthermore, the changes being made may end up being for the better (or just an excellent experience for the players that want it).

[@TJPlaysGames314]

Poe 2 is not quick and convenient like poe 1 is.

[@kzpm9796]

100% agreed😂

[@haroldoduarte1393]

Darksouls feeling is only at the acts, what makes it worse cause you have to spend hours and hours to get to the endgame. Just to realize that the endgame feels just like a washed up version of PoE1.

[@InternetRat]

the game is early access. This is not full release. We dont even have the full campaign yet. You cannot compare it to poe1 which has had almost 12 years of constant updating and adjusting.

[@tech6294]

Sanctum needs to be thrown in the trash.......

[@disconnect0505]

Watch endgame builds from pro players. Its the same as any other arpg.

[@m.h.4907]

PoE2 will be dead second league. Mark my words, a good campaign isn't enough for a live service game. Endgame is ridiculously bad, especially when you consider that they had so many tools from PoE to improve it further

[@Yadeehoo]

It's already dead. All content has been made and beaten to death. There's going to be a general one years hiatus until they release the full game and rework the "endgame"

[@daddyo5973]

What are we even doing people. Everyone knows that out of all the gaming companies GGG is one of the few who listens and takes gamers advice for the most part. Plus we are acting like this is the full product can y’all wait for the full release and then give your honest critique smh

[@DasHausGremory]

So i am sick of people complaining PoE2 is not like PoE1, like why would they bother making PoE2 if its the same and like you said development for PoE1 will still continue. There is no reason for making a new game for the people who still love and enjoy PoE1. I dont know what the developers are thinking, but i would guess that they want to reach a NEW playerbase/audience. Because if thats not their goal they could have just polished PoE1 up. They wouldnt have to include new mechanics like the dodgeroll or the new gem system. If you dont like it dont play it. If you like it but have some issues with balancing or endgame go bring it up to the developers, to change it if possible thats what an early access is for. I personally like both PoE 1 and 2, but the slower approach is more for me and I think its great the way it is. Sorry for any spelling errors english is not my first language

[@Yadeehoo]

When developers release a new version of a game, than means the previous version will soon go on life support and eventually die off. Sure they say they will keep supporting both games but I'd be surprised if they keep putting as much effort in Poe1 as they do with Poe2

[@DasHausGremory]

@@Yadeehoo So that could end up happening of course, but it will probably depend on whether the playerbases are equal in size or more likely which game generates more money. PoE2 is way better in Playercount than PoE1. I mean ~290k vs ~8.5k (right now on steam) players is a MASSIVE difference. if that continues to be that way and GGG doesnt sees any reason to continue PoE1 that much anymore, are you really right to tell them to continue development on PoE1? After all players vote with their wallets (and playtime in a way). I mean they are still a company and probably want to make money. But that remains to be seen.

[@Yadeehoo]

@@DasHausGremory Numbers for Poe2 are inflated due to the massive hype surrounding the early access launch. It will be reversed when the new Poe1 league releases, it's a natural thing.

[@DasHausGremory]

@@Yadeehoo youre not reading my text. I wrote if that continues to be that way, they will rethink if PoE1 is still worth developing. It was just a hypothetical scenario. It could be also the reverse... I never wrote like it would continue that way. You are the one who thinks that it will happen that way because usually it is this way. It could also go the complete other way, so that PoE2 will be on lifesupport. The playerbase/GGG will determine what game is better. And just maybe they will stick to their promise to support both games equally

[@Yadeehoo]

@@DasHausGremory Maybe you're right, who knows. I have a feeling that most staff is part of the Poe2 now, and Johnathan himself has stated he isn't a fan a Poe1. So with him at the command, seems like it announces the slow death of Poe1.

[@LobandoesRPGs]

But the game isn’t out yet. People try EA then move on until full release. I’m still playing other characters, but I’m fully aware how early access/beta testing works.

[@MichaelLD305]

Look at the steam chart of all time for poe1 mate, no one is quitting this is just the beginning

[@ritonar1877]

It's bots

[@pavzmnproton5360]

go Dodge roll on double breach yourself GGG

[@greegp7400]

Who quitting 😂

[@Ed-mx2ys]

Trade of Exile 2.

[@charlesqbanks]

I'm TOTALLY happy with the design philosophy of the current PoE2, and I don't want it to be more like PoE1, I'm a fan of games like Souls, and love the fact that more ARPGs are adding tactical real time combat challenges. I think the true issues with the game are class balance, progression, difficulty, character speed, drop rate, passive tree, endgame, and tutorializing. Basically everything BUT the design philosophy needs help.

[@VioletCandyz]

I play a game cause i feel is fun not because other season players deem it to be. So lame having those "season players" spoiling the game because of their best built characer videos uploaded on yt every now and then. Diablo 4 is biggest classic example. Fun part of playing a game is discovering the things yourself and not having other players spoiling the fun of it.

[@farlonmuentes6004]

Well the seasoned players are the reason why there is poe 2. You wouldn't jump the hype at all if there weren't those players from poe 1 who funded the game basically

[@wg676]

No one is quitting. They are finished playing the beta. When it comes out it will be popular again.

[@Gaze73]

Only 280k peak players in 24h, dead game.