Why Preterism: Part 1

What is preterism, is it biblical, and does it mean that all prophecy is over?
Listen as we go through what the scripture teaches and how false teachers seek to twist and distort what Jesus said. Jesus will be returning physically, there will be a judgment, and there will be a final resurrection- it is a dangerous and pernicious lie to teach anything different.
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[@shimatoree666]

I've tried to avoid the full preterist position for years. I search out videos like yours all the time. Steve Gregg, I think does a really good job of explaining his position without misrepresenting the full preterist position at every turn like most seem to do. In my opinion you misrepresent the full preterist view quite often. I don't think it's malicious, it's just that you don't understand it all that well. I'm by no means an expert myself, but I've watched hundreds of hours on both sides and the full prets just make a much better argument... at least to me. I came to question the so called "futurist" view by accident when my Mom and I decided that we were going on a quest to identify "Mystery Babylon" of Revelation. It turned out to be a much easier nut to crack than we had imagined once we began to read for ourselves rather than read commentary's and listen to TV preachers. Even though we were able to identify Jerusalem easily enough, we still assumed that it was a still future version of Jerusalem, as we still hadn't let go of our futurist paradigm. Then one day it hit me that it was old covenant Jerusalem and all of a sudden things that had been confusing started to make sense. Since we are not scholars, we had no idea that anyone believed what we thought we had discovered. So I asked google if there were any Christians who believed that Revelation was already fulfilled... or mostly fulfilled. To our amazement we found a gold mine of discussion and debate between partial and full preterists. Anyway, that's how I got to where I am today. Unfortunately, people who we once enjoyed Bible discussion with now think we are nut jobs. We quote them verse after verse and they quote us the creeds and talk about what their Granny believed. I wanted to stay in the club so I tried real hard to unsee what I had seen... but the full prets just make much better arguments as far as I can tell. If you know of other videos we should try, let me know because my Mom tries to watch discussion and debate on this topic every day and I think I've just about worn out KZbin on this topic... lol

[@antoniotulum4776]

futurism and preterism, both invene d by jesuits, to disinform and discredit the reformation movement who identified vatican, as the head that had revived, holy roman catholic church.... people think they are so smart by follwing full preterism, they dont see they are in the same hole, controlle dby the same people. they think they so smart, and they dont eben know what historisicm is.

[@DsDs-lg1qz]

If full preterism is true, what are we left with?

[@jrhemmerich]

I still see Rev 20-21 as future. As Acts 1 :11 as well as 1 Thess. 4:13. The long period of time indicated in the millennium doesn’t fit with full preterism. The glorification of the living in 1 Thess 4 is also not explained by full preterism. The distinction between judgment cloud comings modeled on Yahweh in the OT vs. passages that speak of Christ’s descent in the way he left is pretty solid in my reading of it. All the best!

[@chazsmith6333]

@@DsDs-lg1qz We are left with the fullness of the Godhead . We now have, not just the Holy Spirit, but God the Father and the Lamb of God. He tabernacles with us now. This means that even if someone doesn’t understand this position that it is still true for them. You don’t have to know this for this to be true for you since you’ve come to Christ with the understanding you had or are having. Whether you live or die this isn’t something that would exclude a person from salvation. Recognizing this as a believer makes all the difference. It’s a valuable realization.

[@johno2277]

@@DsDs-lg1qz Eph 2:6-7

[@bonnenaturel6688]

Decline or fall of the Roman Empire? Huh? It was the punishment of Jerusalem, punishment of the Jew's for murdering of Jesus and the saints and their sacrificing their children to Baal/Moloch. And by the way, that wailing wall you refer to in Israel, where modern day jews pray, is NOT the temple that fell in 70 AD.

[@chapmaned24]

How did the Jews murder Jesus? Wasn't the cross the whole purpose of Jesus, his mission, so that the remission of sins could happen? Wasn't that the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross? Didn't Jesus forgive them while on the cross? What was the reason that Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they... they what? They didn't know that Jesus was the Christ. Any other normal human proclaiming to be God is blasphemy, punishable by death. So how was Jesus murdered?

[@existentoneness]

God is done with the Old Other. It's up to each individual what other one is now living in: the Old or the New. The Full Preterism holds that latter.

[@EyeToob]

@@chapmaned24 Peter said this to a group of his fellow Israelites, “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, *whom you crucified,* both Lord and Messiah.” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” ( Acts 2 : 36 - 37 ) Peter spelled it out that Israel crucified (murdered) the Messiah. You are correct in saying the mission of Jesus was to go to the cross, but Jesus taught his disciples that those who cause others to sin are in for some major judgment : Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come." (Luke 17 : 1) Therefore woe to the leaders of Israel who set everything up for Jesus to be crucified as an innocent person. The leaders of Israel knew Jesus was innocent and that he was the Messiah when they had him crucified. The people who carried out their orders were the ones that didn't know what they were doing and so Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23 : 34) (there is a footnote in some Bibles saying some early manuscripts don't have this sentence).

[@colingr318]

​@@chapmaned24Killing an innocent person is murder buddy.

[@chapmaned24]

​@colingr318 Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they know NOT what they do. No one is guilty, but then again, if you are covered with the blood of Christ, you are just as guilty as they. Your sins were deleted, because they murdered an innocent man. If they didn't... no one's sins would be deleted. But, wasn't the cross the mission of Jesus? Wasn't it prophesied that he'd be the PASSOVER LAMB OF GOD THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WHILE WORLD? Wasn't he supposed to be killed? No one takes his life. He gave it freely, to save many. Isn't that what Joseph told his brothers, after he REVEALED himself to them, that what they meant for evil, God meant for good, to save many?

[@Stan-l4j3n]

We have passed out of death into life and do not come into judgment if we have eternal life.

[@toddoman4636]

having heard both sides I feel you misunderstand the full preterist arguement in certain areas. Having said that I really like how you clearly express your views, where as it is almost impossible to get down to exactly what they believe as full preterists.

[@ReformedRookie]

thanks- I appreciate the candor. You may also enjoy this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/onevnoWmrbebhJY

[@trevino37]

They say full preterism is dangerous. However, when dispensationalist repetitively attempt to predict the rapture and tribulation by giving false dates, times and season since the turn of the century while filling false emotionalism and fear among the masses, who then is more dangerous? When you dispensationalist create movies of the rapture, fill their pockets with money, fills the church with false expectations based on fear, then change the dates, times and seasons, who then are more dangerous? When dispensationalist creates a narrative that is not supported by scripture but adds to scripture, who then are the most dangerous? Dispensationalist are more heretical and dangerous then a full preterist.

[@ReformedRookie]

it's sad that you even leave this type of comment when you obviously didn't watch the video. I''m not a dispensationalist nor a full-preterist- both of those positions are dangerous! Maybe you should actually watch the video to see what it teaches.

[@trevino37]

Oh sorry, I was not referring to you nor to your video but to the statement that I keep hearing, that preterism is dangerous- I was sharing my thought on dispensational theology being much more dangerous than preterism…they say preterism is heretical yet dispensational theology is much more heretical in implying that Jesus’s work on the cross was not finished nor sufficient to bring all to a closure. Dispensational theology is heretical.

[@trevino37]

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[@johnjoyce1073]

😂Personally I'd read Matt 24 it was plain, I gave up trying to see v32? Which changed to future. 30 years later I read the bible from front to back. I concluded if it's hard to understand, how can babes and the simple grasp it. Mystery Babylon, the hoar and prostitute. God often times refers to Israel Jerusalem this way, concordance) who is Sodom and Egypt, synagogue of satan etc. Eternal hell? Israel were the adversary and satan to those that recognised the Messiah, those that didn't were the son of the devil and they saw Jesus as chief demon. Demons devils is occult and we are introduced to it by the church, casting devil's etc etc Satan is for grown ups, Santa Easter bunny for kids and the truth is for those that fear God. My stomache turns when I hear grown men preaching the devil demon influences us, From the beginning Adam was a liar and the father of it, we are in Adam we are the enemy of god

[@TheHighCalvinist.]

I am a premilleniumist however I believe Mathew 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD.

[@johno2277]

Take a look at Mt 22:1-14. Did that happen already too?

[@theologynerd1689]

Thank you for this video. I will check out the entire playlist. I really appreciate this channel.

[@ReformedRookie]

Praise God! I'm glad you like it and thanks for the encouragement. Blessings.

[@persempre2010]

Hi there listened to your video, very good on many points, I have been in reformed church is for 34 years and have been an amillennialist for about maybe 27 of them but now I am a full Preterist, but I do however think you. I believe you misrepresented a lot of what we believe and also that if you would love to talk I would like to have a discussion with you if you’re open for that and we can discuss points and see what our differences are and perhaps help you to understand a little more why we hold these positions, and to realize that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh and has completed everything that he said he came to complete and what you’re looking for will never happen because you’re missing interpreting the entire text so contact me let me know send me a message back thank you.

[@ReformedRookie]

what is the gospel on your view of full preterism?

[@persempre2010]

@@ReformedRookie The gospel is the Revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ throughout the Old Testament that was hidden in types and shadows; the old covenant people did not fully understand this as 1 Peter 1:10-12 states and then as Jesus came to Israel, His own, John 1:11; all that history was unfolding and being shown that this is the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. So all the old covenant sacrifices and the feast days were pointing to and then going to be fulfilled in Jesus. But everything in its eschatological timeframe/ The old covenant could not provide life, that is why everyone who died did not receive the promises and saw them afar off, they all entered sheol. No one went to heaven, some people think that Enoch and Elijah did but they are reading Hebrews 11:13 and the other Greek words in the text. But anyway, the most important key is; who is Jesus, and that is what Jesus came to declare, and that is who the apostles declared, that this is the very Son of God, He is God in the Flesh. Imagine being in 1st century, so in Matthew 26:63,64 Jesus is answering the High priest and says that He will see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven. So I ask you; do You think the highpriest was looking for Him to come physically? The correct answer is No! So then why should you or I. We must understand exactly what the disciples understood when they said what is the sign of your "parousia", this is the Greek word for presence, however "ousia" in Greek is your essence, the "true you", who you are, so therefore Jesus was coming just as God the Father came in the old testament, in His true essence as God Almighty, not physically, their every eye shall see him is a realization of all that He said was to come true, in the signs, and they did come true, but it was too late for the other Jews who didn't believe. Their is a whole lot of things to discuss in the scripture but take a look at Revelation 21: 1-3 which John is reiderating from Isaiah 65:1-17, however everyone knows verse 17 in Isaiah 65, but fail to recognize the context, one kingdom that was standing will no longer stand and another kingdom will rise that will last continually and never end, which is Christs kingdom, the old covenant was in a transition period of fading away at the time of the apostles, Hebrews 8:13, but at the last of the last days it ended. We are not in any last days, and their is no end of this physical world, we must understand context and Hebraic culture and interpretation, It does amaze me that many people do not understand many Hebrew words nor Attic Greek of ancient texts and we must put them into perspective. I will give you one perspective, "eternal life" well first our word "eternal" comes fro Latin "Auternum" and that is a word used "in time" so many people put it outside of time which is incorrect, and this goes exactly for the Hebrew word "owlam" and The Greek word "aion" they all are in time and have everything to do with time. So "Life of the age" would better describe what was coming or what was abbout to break forth in the 1st century, and that was called "the already, but not yet" and then we today are in the age that has life, when we die we go directly to where Christ is, we don't go to sheol. Not like the thief onb the cross, if you read the Greek text correctly, it doesn't say "today" he went to heaven, no he went to sheol to await the 1st century resurection. Funny I believe if I'm not mistaken it was Justin Martyr that said the Book of Daniel was completed, well that's strange, then the ressurection must have already taken place, and why? Because the old covenant was a covenant of death, 2 Corinthians 3:8-11, you did not have life nor could you enter the presence of God under the old covenant, it lead to death, but now we have life and abundantly through the new body, Christ, because the old body, that is the old covenanetal body under Moses, died. So I do ask you if you'd like to discuss these things I am open for a call or a zoomon a mutual basis of Christian love and we do not bash anyone, like I said I had understood the bible to teach a future coming still, but the scripture and language is showing me something else. May The Lord help his church. Thank you.

[@purview4012]

@persempre2010 that was amazing! Can we zoom please? I’m just now studying this and my eyes and heart is open. Should we exchange emails?

[@artemusbowdler7508]

I have lost my passion to study prophetic/apocalyptic books of the Bible; they are no more than principles for sermon material. Most of my life, I have believed in a premillennial/futurist eschatology; it has always given me hope that one day God would rapture the church before the tribulation. I have always thought that Revelation was more about our day and age; this was comforting to me. I am sad that the global images and world-wide setting and the end-of-history impressions found in Revelation are merely an illusion---hyperbole to make a point. The apocalyptic events in 1st Century Roman Empire are illustrated through grandiose mythological images that were never meant to be taken literally and seem over the top for such a localized event that was no more impressive than similar small events in history. In fact the persecution of Christians in Asia Minor around 70 AD pales in comparison to many other events in history. Such grandiose imagery found in Revelation would be more fitting with what is going on in 21st Century Earth. First Century Roman Empire recorded less than eight thousand martyrs; however, there were over 700000 martyrs in AD 200 housed in 90 miles of catacombs. This does not seem logical. Most of all, I am disappointed that God did not include a prophetic book that says something about the actual global chaos that is occurring and unfolding in our day and age; it would seem more fitting and very helpful in navigating these troubled times.

[@paulbrennan4163]

Artemus, I'm afraid that your sense of disappointment is exactly what a belief in preterism is designed to do - to give you a feeling of disillusionment that leads you to do the very thing that Jesus warned us not to do - to grow weary and fall asleep. Preterists will tell you that these verses are nullified.. "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching *_allegedly from us_* -whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter-asserting that the day of the Lord has already come." .. when in actual fact they are still very much alive and active. After all, preterist base some of their so-called "time statements" on the idea that Paul knew the time of Jesus return. He absolutely did not.

[@artemusbowdler7508]

@@paulbrennan4163 I do believe that Revelation is yet to happen. You make a great point. I was trying to make a point.

[@existentoneness]

Smiles, as a man thinks, so he is, and a man is the sum total of his consciousness. It's a given that as long as keep expecting a futuristic Day of the Lord, they would continue to attract increasing individual and collective sufferings and catastrophies - Amos 5:18. The point is would you rather trust the one who sits on the Throne and has declared as True and Trustworthy, the fact that All Things have been made New as expressed in Rev 21:3-7? I must admit that a Full Preterist must no doubt be among those considered 'Sheep from the other fold. Mark you, we are all individually at different points in our understanding of Christ consciousness, but it's unbefitting for anyone to consider full Preterites as Heretics. How could it be so when we also have the Spirit that affirms Christ Jesus as Lord and all His words has already Amen and Done. I dare say we're more of those of Matured Faith

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@existentoneness How do you deal with the fact that scripture indicates that there is a future hope for israel? To assume otherwise is to assume that God is a liar.

[@paulbrennan4163]

@@existentoneness I can't see how you can possibly think that God is "True and Trustworthy" and be a full preterist.

[@johno2277]

Umhh ... actually Jesus was literally seen coming in the clouds and his sign of the sword (or cross) was seen in the sky for one year.

[@ReformedRookie]

really? That's the first I've ever heard that. Please cite the sources that saw him...

[@johno2277]

@@ReformedRookie Josephus, War of the Jews: a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it [the destruction of the temple in 70] of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding the cities (6,5,3)

[@johno2277]

Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and (2) a comet, that continued a whole year. (ibid)

[@johno2277]

​@Reformed Rookie Have you read about the reports of the Bodily Resurrection and "Rapture" between 66 and 70 AD? I was blown away when I found these.

[@SpotterVideo]

Can you name the Early Church Fathers who said this?

[@johno2277]

Jesus literally was seen in the clouds & met the Saints in thw air to battle the Hebrew Nations (Acts 2) in Jerusalem. Tacitus 66AD : There had been seen hosts joining battle in the skies, the fiery gleam of arms, the temple illuminated by a sudden radiance from the clouds. The doors of the inner shrine were suddenly thrown open, and a voice of more than mortal tone was heard to cry that the Gods were departing. Josephus re AD 66: "For, before sun setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities."

[@ReformedRookie]

oh did Tacitus write by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

[@johno2277]

@@ReformedRookie How is that relevant? He wrote what he saw or was reported to him which is much more credible than a "Christian" trying to promote his religion. If history is not recorded through the Holy Spirit, it is not reliable? Did Washington cross the Delaware? Only one witness wrote that & we don't know if the HS told him.

[@johno2277]

@@ReformedRookie What does Jesus require to prove a fact? ... Nothing about HS.

[@ReformedRookie]

@@johno2277 are you quoting scripture or Tacitus?? What scripture in Acts 2 says that?

[@johno2277]

@@ReformedRookie 2:5 dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every NATION under heaven. ... Jews and proselytes,

[@Stan-l4j3n]

We have been reconciled with Christ if we have been born from above.

[@loleki737]

Thank you for your video. It would be helpful to address the verses that place the remaining bible prophecies as a future event. If Christ didn't fulfill all prophcey, biblical Israel still exists under the Law; the world is still bring judged for sin and the billions who have died are still physically AND spiritually in the grave. Christ was a 100% completely successful Savior. Our faith is based on that successful Savior and that He's handed the Kingdom over to His Father. ❤

[@ReformedRookie]

Thank you for your comment... It seems as if your hermeneutic leads to to an "Israel Only" conclusion where there is no more judgment. Jesus will always be successful and will save "his people" and "his sheep" only. Paul's gospel includes judgment for ALL mankind- on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. He will also say in 2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. You seem to think this has taken place, but it hasn't. That will happen on the LAST day- Jn 6. Until then, we... await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

[@loleki737]

@ReformedRookie That's incorrect. I'm very much against the teaching of IO. It's just very important to keep Paul's writing in it's historical context, especially when speaking of events. Paul's words are in the context of the first century, end of the age happenings. The difference we have is that full preterists believe Christ has already accomplished His calling and partial preterist are still waiting. That's futurism. Partial preterists are just a closer.

[@ReformedRookie]

@@loleki737 I think your very wrong as to who and when the law applies to- as per Paul: Romans 3:9 we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, and Rom 3:19- Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. Are you a universalist? Are all going to rescued from their sin even if they reject the Messiah?

[@loleki737]

@ReformedRookie I'm not sure about the universalist label. But, I do believe Christ paid the penalty for sin and the old covenant age ended in 70AD. Note you and I were never under the Law of Moses, ever. Just as the Bible is progressively revealed, Paul's letters were as well. The risen Lord appears to have given Paul deeper spiritual knowledge to impart his readers as time moved forward. His letters to the Ephesians and Colossians clearly reveal more of Christ's accomplishments. Paul's audiences varied, even within the letters. Most readers were repentant Israelites at the beginning before gentiles began believing. After Christ's work, it is appointed man once to die and then the judgment. God sees mankind through the lens of His Son's finished work. There is no more Law for OT Israel. Christ fulfilled it. Scripture states that Christ is the Savior of all mankind and that death and the penalty of sin were taken care of. Scripture says man was reconciled to God. Those truths were written in the first century, yet have application to mankind forever. The kingdom of God is spiritual and without end. That's good news!

[@ReformedRookie]

@@loleki737 We are under the law of Christ, not Moses. And we will be judged according to it. It's pretty clear: 1 John 3:4-10 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

[@Stan-l4j3n]

It's not the body that's glorified. It's our spirit that has been glorified if we have eternal life.

[@MichaelMiano777]

If you have to mischaracterise another person or view, in order to make yourself or your view appear strong, it truly shows the strength, or lack thereof for your view. Unfortunately, that is what Pastor Anthony Uvenio does all throughout this video. Anthony asserts a Preterist understanding of Matthew 24 and all that happened in that “generation”. He even remarks that a group of people, at a certain time is “the only legitimate understanding of generation”. While I surely agree, it seems that Anthony avoids the necessary consistency, correlations, and cross-references that would correspond to a fulfilled reading of Matthew chapter 24. Also, being that the ‘generation language’ is more often than not misunderstood in common day Christianity, there is a host of “illegitimate” understandings out there. However, while ostracising a few, Anthony would unite in confusion with other ‘futurists’, even himself noting “several different end-time scenarios”, varied views even just in the Amillennial and Postmillennial camps. I always find it strange when they “teachers” focus in on the fact that the Preterist community is a “very fractured and splintering group” as if this has not been what has been seen in Futurist communities for millennia. Anthony gave a good outline for “Cloud comings” (Isa. 19; Jeremiah 4; Ezekiel 30), which oddly enough I have heard Futurists argue against his points. Anthony continued to assert the yet future judgement of every man, the just and the unjust, however avoiding very clear time-texts, audience relevancy, and correlation of texts that speak about the subject. A very clear text - Matthew 16:27-28 - when, what, who? Old Testament context - Daniel 12 - when, what, who? Further Apostolic correlation & commentary - Acts 24:14; Revelation 22:12 -what, when, who? Anthony seems to avoid the eschatological usage of Preterist, as applying to those who understand end-time prophecy to be fulfilled in the past, and generally asserts, “Every Christian is a Preterist” in some regard. He goes on to question, “If the final judgement is past, what are you telling people?”, to which of course I wish he’d actually ask a Preterist rather than have them removed from his congregation. That question has been responded to again and again, and nothing other than redirection to the Apostles Creed and other confessions is the usual response (which Anthony demonstrated for us). This is always done at the expense of true historical study of disagreements and misunderstandings that were had in the historic Church, especially but not limited to the early church. For example, Justin Martyr in the early 2nd century explains differences among Christians regarding the order and nature of the resurrection of the dead (see, “On Resurrection”). Also, Irenaeus, a 2nd century bishop marked out his points (in contrast to others) regarding the nature of the resurrection of the dead. Despite this effort of many Futurists to unite in confusion, there continues to be varied thoughts and studies brought forth regarding this topic (resurrection of the dead) and the texts regarding this topic among Christian scholars up to this day. Yes, even among Preterists. “If the final judgement is past, what are you telling people?” Well, N.T. Wright, who is not a Full Preterist already answered that, “The whole of the story, of judgement for those who had not followed Jesus and the vindication for those who had, is summed up in the cryptic but frequently repeated saying “the first shall be last, the last fist. In other words, when the great tribulation came on Israel, those who had followed Jesus would be delivered; and that would be the sign that Jesus had been in the right, and that in consequence they had been in the right in following him. The destruction of Jerusalem on the one hand, and the rescue of the disciples on the other, would be the vindication of what Jesus had been saying throughout his ministry.” (N. T. Wright, Jesus and the Victory of God, Minneapolis, Fortress, 1996), 338). Anthony’s explanation, albeit confused, of the natural and Spiritual in 1 Corinthians was interesting. I’m not sure it made sense, or as Larry Siegle, a great Bible teacher, has said, “It doesn’t make good nonsense”. What does the “natural” in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 mean? Is this speaking about physical people? This who in the physical body cannot understand the things of God?!? Or, does it have something to do with the carnal mind, fleshly mind of man? How would this then carry over to the use of “natural” in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, regarding the resurrection? Work your way forward and backwards in the text. Simply put, what was in need of resurrection? What therefore is being changed? Listen to Anthony at the 30:15 point on these matters. Here are the texts that Anthony mentioned as refuting Full Preterism, texts which have been expounded upon again and again by my Preterist teachers. Revelation 20; Philippians 3:20-21; Acts 1:9-11; Hebrews 9:26; 1 Corinthians 11:26; John 6; Acts 17; Romans 2; Revelation 21. Do the study. A simply way to find out what Preterists have said in these regards is to Google, or KZbin search some names - Don Preston, William Bell, Michael Miano and the texts of your choosing. I promise you will learn a thing or two. Of course the mischaracterisations of the Full Preterist view were numerous, which I am glad is obvious the almost any non-bias mind. Let’s consider a few. Anthony tried to assert that the Full Preterist is going to force everything into the past “…because they hold that everything is past”. Holding things to the past is not the method of Full Preterism. Rather, understanding things fulfilled in the past, in prophecy through history, is the outworking of consistent Biblical eschatology that has come to be known as Full Preterism. Some have come to the conclusion that because Bible prophecy has been fulfilled in the past, “everything is over” as Anthony asserted, and that there is “no future for the Church”, however that is not the majority view, nor is that correct. I myself have preached on that exact point, participated in conferences and debates, and have proven that point. No truly listening ear would come to that conclusion, just as no truly listening ear would think that the Full Preterist is pitting the “power of Preterism” vs. “the power of the Gospel. The only reason Preterism has any power, is anything of a conversation, is because of the Gospel. Unfortunately, if anyone is guilty of questions the words of God like the serpent, Anthony would be guilty. He asserts man-made creeds and confessions, against an honest and sincere look at Scripture. Concerning the craftiness of the Preterist, praise be to God, Jesus Christ did mention being as wise as serpents. However Anthony knows full well the wicked nature of his assertion and has demonstrated, in a very personal way towards me, the very problem that he mentioned - sowing discord among brethren. Rather than apologise for the removal of me and my family from his public assembly a few months ago, Anthony would rather teach, with blatant ignorance, against Full Preterism. A good ending, which was the end of discussion at our Bible study this morning, was Anthony’s confused explanation of God being with us as per the promise in Ezekiel chapter 37 and the fulfillment in Revelation chapter 21. He said, “God is in us, but not with us”. Now how does that work? It would make sense to say, ‘God is with us, but not in us’, however it is utterly impossible to say something is within you, but not with you. It is rather unfortunate that Anthony is teaching this with listening ears that do not properly know the alternative.

[@bobbyraejohnson]

Dude you got to keep things short…,

[@MichaelMiano777]

@@bobbyraejohnson there just was so much to say.

[@jrhemmerich]

What is your explanation of the bodily transformation of the living in 1 Thess 4:13 and the physical descent of Jesus? The long period of Rev 20? The promise of death coming to an end in 1 Cor 15. All of these show that full preterism is problematic.

[@EyeToob]

@@jrhemmerich 1 Thessalonians 4 presents a picture of a king returning home after winning a war. Paul was comforting the living believers with the fact that the dead believers will be with Jesus even before the living believers are with Jesus at his return. Jesus returned in the clouds and everyone went to meet him just like the citizens of a city go out of their city to meet their king when he returns after a victory in war. When the city's king arrives everyone follows the king back into the city and they are all with the king. Paul does not mention a bodily transformation of the living in the passage. It simply says the dead in Christ are with Christ before the living believers are with Christ. = = = = Acts 1 : 11 is the verse where the angels say, “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Many think this verse has angels saying Jesus will return physically in the same way Jesus physically ascended into the sky. Instead the angels were telling the disciples that the return of Jesus would be unexpected just like he unexpectedly left them. If you look at the passage you'll see the disciples asking Jesus, “Lord, are you *at this time* going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1 : 6) The disciples were ready for Jesus to bring the kingdom to Israel, but Jesus tells them to stay in Jerusalem and then he leaves them! They were not expecting Jesus to ascend up into heaven. After Jesus ascends into the sky some angels appear and are trying to get the men to stop wasting their time looking up into the sky; they knew the disciples were supposed to head back to Jerusalem. How did the angels convince the disciples to not waste their time looking up into the sky? By letting the disciples know Jesus would return unexpectedly just like he left them unexpectedly. If the angels were telling them to stop looking into the sky because Jesus would return physically, then the disciples would have stayed around longer looking up into the sky hoping he would come back physically right away. = = = = In Revelation 20 we find the thousand years in which Satan was bound to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore matches up with the apostles going through the whole world spreading the gospel to the Gentiles and through Jerusalem in the first century. "...the word of the truth of *the gospel,* which has come to you, *as it has also in all the world,* and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth" (Colossians 1 : 5 - 6) "...This is *the gospel* that you heard and that has been proclaimed *to every creature under heaven,..."* (Colossians 1 : 23) "First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because *your faith is being reported all over the world."* (Romans 1 : 8) The nations were no longer being deceived so the apostles message of the gospel was able to spread over the entire world. We also have a description of martyrs reigning with Christ for a thousand years and it begins at the first resurrection which began with the resurrection of Jesus (the first fruits) around 30 AD. This reign took place while Satan was bound for a thousand years. At the end of the thousand years Satan was released and he went out to deceive the nations to gather them for battle, but the devil ends up being thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They are tormented day and night for ever and ever. This matches up with the warning written around 70 AD and found in Revelation 12 : 12 "But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, *because he knows that his time is short."* With the beginning of the thousand years being around 30 AD and the end of the thousand years being around 70 AD we shouldn't interpret the thousand years as a literal thousand years. It is presented in the genre of literature called apocalypse which is known for its generous use of symbols, poetic language, and metaphors. So in 30 AD Jesus and believers of the first resurrection begin their reign at the same time Satan was bound so he can't deceive the nations anymore. Jesus and the martyrs reign for a thousand years while the apostles are spreading the gospel to all the nations. Around 70 AD Satan is released, but he is filled with fury because he knows that his time is short. Satan went out to deceive the nations, but he meets his end by being thrown into the lake of burning sulfur where he is being tormented day and night for ever and ever. = = = = In 1 Corinthians 15 : 26 we read, "The last enemy to be destroyed is death." What does Paul write in 1 Corinthians 15 to let us know when death is defeated? 1 Corinthians 15 : 54 - 56 "When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law." When death no longer has its sting, then you know death has no victory. They are the same thing. Death's sting is sin and the power of sin is the law. What happened to the law? Based on Hebrews 8 : 13 the law was soon to disappear in the first century. "By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one [the law] obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." The fulfillment of this prophecy took place in 70 AD when the temple and Jerusalem were destroyed. With the disappearance of the law in the first century (70 AD) we understand sin had no more power which means death no longer has its sting which means death had no victory. Death was powerless. Most readers of 1 Corinthians 15 think the death Paul is referring to is the physical death of humans. I'm convinced death is the separation that dead believers experienced in the place of the dead before the resurrection. Dead believers were in a holding area in the place of the dead, and they were waiting for Jesus to pay for their sins and for the law to be taken away. The law stood against believers as a record pointing to how they had been lawbreakers worthy of punishment. But Jesus set the law aside by dying on the cross and then he made the law disappear in 70 AD by destroying the temple which was the center of the law. Once the law disappeared then death became powerless, and dead believers were emptied out of death. Look at how John described death in Revelation 20 : 13 - 14 "The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and *death* and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then *death* and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire." The sea is described as a holding place for some of the dead. Death is described as a holding place for some of the dead. Hades is described as a holding place for some of the dead. This is the death I think Paul is referring to in 1 Corinthians 15, and that death became powerless / without sting / swallowed up when the law disappeared in 70 AD. Death where is your victory? It has none. Death where is your sting? It has none. The law disappeared, therefore we know the sting of death became powerless. A powerless death is a death swallowed up in victory. The holding place called death was thrown into the lake of fire. It is no more. The last enemy was destroyed.

[@jrhemmerich]

@@EyeToob, Your analysis of Acts 1:11 is a bit light. You are over-reading it. There is no reason the disciples would have stayed looking to the sky longer after being told not to do so. If they did, it would have no clear meaning. The point was that he was not coming back anytime soon. The reason to believe that the coming is a physical return is because it says that the manner of his going is the same as his return, and his going was physical. It’s that simple. If there were no other passages about the return of Christ except in the judgment of AD 70, then one might explain this passage away based upon the fact that there was only one return. But in fact, 1) this is not necessary and 2) the plain reading is that he will descend as he ascended, and it was a physical ascent. The reading of Rev. 20 completely skips over the context of the beginning of the chapter, and the end of 19. Nero dies during the war in AD 68, the martyrs raised were those killed by him. This could not have been prior to AD 53. The binding of Satan is after the war, as seen by the fact that it is at the closing of the pit, which opened in Rev. 9:2 during the 5th seal (probably during the entrance of Vespasian and Titus into the land). All of these time text clues make it impossible to put the binding at the cross or soon thereafter. On top of that the timing of Rev. 12 makes the early binding impossible. Satan is not thrown drown from heaven until after Jesus’ ascension and the martyrdom of some of the saints, so at earliest after Stephen’s death. But that is a bit early. And then Satan is on the earth and sea for a short time. This short period doesn’t come to an end until the close of the war (the 3 1/2 years and the persecutions of Nero). All in all, it just makes no textual sense to locate the binding of Satan in 20:3 before AD 70. Full preterism is not a careful reading of the text. It’s sloppy and shoves square pegs in round holes.

[@awdat]

I believe the same and agree with every word you said up until 18:42 because i am a Roman catholic born of God Christian

[@ReformedRookie]

I was just pointing out that the historic creed of the church states "the catholic" church and not the "Roman" catholic church. People can misunderstand or misuse the term. Blessings.

[@johnjoyce1073]

The Catholic church popified Peter touched many and hijacked the early church. There is no early church history, just pope's and bishops, starting with pope peter

[@garybryant1225]

We were judged at the cross. Christ took our past, present and future sins to the cross. We were already judged through Jesus and therefore we will not be judged again. Just as there is no “double jeopardy” in the court of law, There is no double jeopardy in The Spirit. When Jesus said “It is finished” everything that is to happen, already happened.

[@ReformedRookie]

your argument is with the Apostle Paul who says we will all appear before the judgment seat of Christ- and he said that after the resurrection...

[@qwerty-so6ml]

TO ALL PRETERISTS: Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. PRETERISTS take away from the words of the book of prophecy. REPENT, while you can

[@AllInForYah]

Does the Bible actually say Christ would reign on earth for 1,000 years? Are we sure it was supposed to be earth and not heaven?

[@ReformedRookie]

Revelation said Jesus would reign 1000 years- it does not say from where. I think it's from heaven until all his enemies are made a footstool for his feet, then he comes back. Also, I see 1000 years a long period of time- not a literal 1000 years. Revelation 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

[@dwainsmit8410]

I'm a bit confused when it comes to the milenial reign if the tribulation already happened. How can preterest still have different views of the milenial reign? Do some believe the we are not in the milenial at the moment and that it will only happen once the great commission is completed?

[@EyeToob]

Revelation 20 gives a description of martyrs reigning with Christ for a thousand years and it begins at the first resurrection which began with the resurrection of Jesus (the first fruits) around 30 AD. This reign took place while Satan was bound for a thousand years. At the end of the thousand years Satan was released and he went out to deceive the nations to gather them for battle, but the devil ends up being thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They are tormented day and night for ever and ever. This matches up with the warning written around 70 AD and found in Revelation 12 : 12 "But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, *because he knows that his time is short."* With the beginning of the thousand years being around 30 AD and the end of the thousand years being around 70 AD we shouldn't interpret the thousand years as a literal thousand years. It is presented in the genre of literature called apocalypse which is known for its generous use of symbols, poetic language, and metaphors. So in 30 AD Jesus and believers of the first resurrection begin their reign at the same time Satan was bound so he can't deceive the nations anymore. Jesus and the martyrs reign for a thousand years while the apostles are spreading the gospel to all the nations. Around 70 AD Satan is released, but he is filled with fury because he knows that his time is short. Satan went out to deceive the nations, but he meets his end by being thrown into the lake of burning sulfur where he is being tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[@johnirish989]

Referring to KZbin. Wow. Censoring me while I'm writing. That State is pretty deep.

[@makarov138]

Read this: • before some of them had finished going through the cities of Israel he promised to return (Mat 10:23) • before some of them had tasted death he promised to return (Mat 16:27-28) • while some of the Jewish leaders were still alive he promised to return (Mat 26:64) • in the generation of those living in the first century he promised to return (Luke 21:22, 32) • soon/shortly/time is near he promised to return (Revelation 1:1-3; 22:6-20) Some questions: First; Do you still claim to believe your bible? Second; Then how do you, claiming to believe your bible, have anything in your bible that refutes what Jesus actually said? Heck let's go with a third; What evidence do you have to promote your claim that Jesus has not returned yet? And aren't you either claiming that Jesus actually lied, or simply did not know what He was talking about? How does it make you feel that YOU, claiming to believe your bible, have NOTHING to base that belief on? Think about this.

[@ReformedRookie]

//First; Do you still claim to believe your bible?// yes- all of it. Do You? //Second; Then how do you, claiming to believe your bible, have anything in your bible that refutes what Jesus actually said?// I don't think I contradicted anything Jesus said- have exapmples?? //Heck let's go with a third; What evidence do you have to promote your claim that Jesus has not returned yet?// Heck- maybe you didn't actually listen. I say he did return in judgment on Israel in 70ad- the same way he did to Egypt in Isa 19:1. //And aren't you either claiming that Jesus actually lied, or simply did not know what He was talking about? How does it make you feel that YOU, claiming to believe your bible, have NOTHING to base that belief on?// LOL- you're a real charmer. You should actually listen to what I actually said....

[@N81999]

@@ReformedRookie thank you for pushing back. Its like they didnt even listen to your video

[@ReformedRookie]

@@N81999 I'm glad you said that- I thought I was missing something. Blessings.

[@SpotterVideo]

Is Matthew 10:23 about 70 AD, or is Matthew 10:5-23 about the time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16? Matthew 10:23 is about Christ's "coming" as the King riding on a donkey as predicted in Zechariah 9:9. How do we know it is not about 70 AD? Acts 10:36-38 proves the Gospel was "published" throughout Judea before 70 AD. It did not take the disciples of Jesus forty years to take the Gospel to the Jews before the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles. Peter took the Gospel to the house of Cornelius after the time period in Matthew 10:5-23 was completed, or Peter disobeyed what Christ told him to do in Matthew 10:5-7.

[@makarov138]

@@SpotterVideo The preterist point of view is true and confirmed in scripture: The secret to understanding 1 Thess 4:15&17 is to understand that sometimes our English translations does not transfer some of the subtle nuances from the Greek into our English. This very set of verses is one of them. Here is the “jewel of great price” that I am about to give you. In our English language, we do not have a pronoun that is always expressed emphatically. We must use a helper pronoun to do that. But Greek does!. It does have a first-person personal pronoun that is ALWAYS expressed emphatically. In the singular case it is translated as I, me, my, and occasionally myself. In the plural it is we, us, and you. That word is “eg-o'” and is the Strong's number [1473]. When it is used it is always emphatic, but our English translations do not put it in caps and bold print in order that we get that. This word is in 1 Thess 4:15&17. It should be V15 “For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that “WE-“ the ones living, the ones remaining until the coming of the Lord- will in-no-way precede the ones having fallen asleep.” V17 “ Then “WE-“ the ones living, the ones remaining- will be snatched-up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall always be with the Lord.” Those two “WE's” are emphatic. Paul said it TWICE! Prof Alpheus Crosby, in his book published in 1850, “The Second Advent,” says that these two verses are particularly emphatically strong! And he taught Greek in THREE colleges! Dartmouth was one of them. And a seminary too. A professor of Greek is to be listened to. He said in his book: “In these clauses the pronoun is expressed in the original; so that, according to a familiar law of the Greek language, it must be emphatic and used in marked contradistinction. The form of expression in 1 Thess iv:15,17 is peculiarly strong.” Those two “WE's” apply only to that particular group of people being written to that are living and breathing at that time. The original recipients! Those particular people hearing or reading Paul's letter are the very people this pronoun applies to and no others. It constrains the meaning from being attributed to any subsequent generations in the future. It is a rather rigid pronoun that the Greek-speaking Congregants would have understood immediately. They understood Paul to mean that while some of them would die before, yet some of THEM would not die before the coming of the Lord. They got it! Prof. Crosby; "Would they not understand the typical way of hearing Paul, that they would be the ones Paul had in mind? Would they have had any reason to not believe in a speedy return of Christ in their own generation?” Our English translations do not show the forcefulness of Paul's speech. So many believers do not know what I have just revealed to you. Look this up in your Greek sources for verification. I find it very interesting that the translators of the 1599 GENEVA BIBLE comment on these two verses thusly: “He speaketh of these things as though he should be one of them whom the Lord shall find alive at his coming.” Well! Doesn't that then imply that they too can see that Paul meant those alive at that time were the persons Paul had in mind? I think it does indeed imply that! Even those translators from way back then could see it in the Greek.

[@mjack3521]

We are raised with Christ now. The first resurrection. Yes old testament saints are now in their glorified bodies.

[@deborahrosefistner6421]

I'm searching scripture to learn when evil will be wiped off the face of the earth, I guess I am a partial preterist.

[@ReformedRookie]

yes- watch Pt 3- that will give you the answer.

[@antoniotulum4776]

when jesus returns and the second ressurection happens, when dead and undead are judged, that is when evil ceases to exist.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Do you believe this happened in the first century? Matthew 24:30-31: “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then ALL the peoples of the earth (NOT just Jerusalem) will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, (NOT just Jerusalem) from one end of the heavens to the other." IF this happened in the first century and ALL the peoples of the earth saw the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, I think it would be the most spectacular event in all of history and historical records around the entire world would be rife with reports of dumbfounded people in total shock at the most amazing sight ever! Notice it says ALL the people of the earth and not just those around Jerusalem. Or are you saying All the peoples of the earth is a metaphor for people around Jerusalem. Sorry, this did NOT happen in the first century Jerusalem. How do you make some things metaphors and others literal, like passages in Revelation that say certain events will happen soon, or quickly? Also, the word translated soon in Revelation (these things will soon happen) is according to Strong’s the Greek word “tachei” and it means: quickness, speed; hastily, immediately. So, it can be a reference to a particular event happening at a quick pace once it starts. Also in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew Jesus HIMSELF says, “Immediately after the distress of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken." This is the sign that Joel 2:31 says come right before the Day of the Lord. Peter says "The Day of the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will melt in fervent heat, and the earth and ALL its works will be laid bare." This ABSOLUTELY did not happen in the first century.

[@Stan-l4j3n]

Where in the scriptures does it say that Jesus is coming back in a physical body?

[@qwerty-so6ml]

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

[@trevino37]

I’m not a hyper preterist but there is nothing heretical about full preterism. They don’t deny obtaining a glorious body after we die but do say that We have experienced the resurrection already in that we have eternal life as we stand now alive. Alive in the body and alive in the spirit. Dispensationalism is much more heretical than full preterism, If you assume preterism to be heretical. The truth is, we are not save by holding any of these doctrines nor are we condemned for believing them. All these doctrines or theology simply divided the church and prevents the love of fellowship among one another. Holding the doctrine of the trinity will not save you but neither is rejecting it, to condemn you.. it’s all a waste of time teaching these things in my opinion. Let’s teach scripture on love, holy living, and preaching the Gospel while releasing all these doctrines and theologies that has killed the love among all

[@trevino37]

Concerning Philippians 3:21… this verse does not indicate a far future event. One simple interpretation Is from when we die, we will be transformed into a glorious body. Or it can be a far future event but reading it does not lead me to think of a future global events like the rapture or after a second coming because the context is making no reference to those future events but the present or when he dies. It’s not a good verse towards negating hyper preterism.

[@ReformedRookie]

I never said it was a near or far future event, but Paul says our body will be transformed like Jesus' glorious body- not "a" body, but like his body. His body was resurrected, physical, is indestructible and glorious- just like ours will be! I'm not dispensational so your other comments don't apply to me.

[@SpotterVideo]

Is Matthew 10:23 about 70 AD, or is Matthew 10:5-23 about the time period when the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16? Matthew 10:23 is about Christ's "coming" as the King riding on a donkey as predicted in Zechariah 9:9. How do we know it is not about 70 AD? Acts 10:36-38 proves the Gospel was "published" throughout Judea before 70 AD. It did not take the disciples of Jesus forty years to take the Gospel to the Jews before the Gospel was taken to the Gentiles. =========================================================== Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem (subtitles from e-Sword) Luk 21:20　 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.　 (Mat 24:15　 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),　 (Look at the reference to Hanukkah in John 10:22, if you want to know what the Jews of Jesus time understood about Antiochus Ephiphanes attacking the city during 167 BC, when his forces killed thousands of Jews, and stopped the sacrifices. Those two things also happened during 70AD.) Luk 21:21　 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.　 (Mat 24:16　 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)　 Luk 21:22　 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.　 Luk 21:23　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (See also Luke 23:28-31.)　 (Mat 24:19　 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!　) Luk 21:24　 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.　 (Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, and then to the Greeks (Gentiles). We are now in that time period when the Gospel is being taken to the whole world. Paul also referred to this time period in Romans 11:25, and Acts 28:28. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ. ) The Coming of the Son of Man Luk 21:25　 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;　 (Mat 24:29　 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)　 Luk 21:26　 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.　 Luk 21:27　 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.　 (Mat 24:30　 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)　 Luk 21:28　 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."　 (Mat 24:33　 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!) ============================================================= Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order ) Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation. Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time? Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return. .

[@trevino37]

You say that with full Preterism the curse of the earth is not felt with, to assume that Their theology is missing answers which disqualify them as a group. True, full preterism does not nor can they explain everything. However, dispensationalist don’t have all the answers either with their eschatology. Dispensational eschatology is divided among itself into 100 groups. Are we then to concluded they are heretical because there is no consistency among themselves? No denominational church have all the answers for all questions neither. Yet we still accept their contradiction yet call hyper preterism heretical and sons of devils??? That’s ridiculous

[@Elvengem]

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.' It all happened in a.d. 70? The Mormons thought Jesus came to North america back then. Joseph Smith gives us the only record of Jesus being preached to Native Americans where as no records seem to exist in other nations.They in fact stayed pagan and supposedly forgot who Jesus was, and really didnt become christian at all until the gospel was truly preached after the 1st century!

[@trevino37]

The subject of 1 Corinthians 15 is not in reference to a second coming but being raised from the dead once we die. Although it says on the last trumpet, that was not the subject nor the teaching. We making a doctrine from one word?

[@trevino37]

G-d will not let his body see decay was in reference to the physical body in the tomb… not a physical body in the spiritual. Not sure why you would use that s rupture to assume that Jesus has a physical body in heaven now? Although I thinks it’s the physical body that was gloried and transformed but I think you believe the same . So not sure why you made that statement using that verse… ?

[@trevino37]

Just because the church has done something historical, does not make it correct. The church historical held the catholic pope as head of the church, so why are you not Catholics? The point is, historical practices or belief does not validate the practice. If we take communion based on our belief, fine but if we do not based on our belief that Christ already came then fine as well. Take communion and holding a specific belief in yes or no, does not save you not condemn you. Love snd faith does, not communion

[@trevino37]

This is a good video but if you will present hyper preterism as heretical, you should also present dispensationalism as heretical as well. Certain dispensational beliefs are that the Jews as Israel and the church are separate entities. Nothing heretical there. However, when they say that all jews are saved even if they die rejecting Jesus because they have a separate plan of salvation beyond Christ is very much heretical. 2- for Christians to say that all Israel today are the people and children of G-d even while they still reject Christ today-is heretical based on scripture. These are only two heretical teachings among many churches but seem like everyone turns a blind eye on this heresy…

[@virtuosyc]

Yeah, I'm sorry, but you are also just laying out specific verses to match your beliefs. What about the little season in Revelation 20:3? “And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.” 27:31 You're talking about what happens *after* the “little season”. I know the bible doesn't say a lot about this time period, but it's really clear that it doesn't end with Christ's millennial reign. I honestly think we may be in that little season because everyone is confused and deceived. We have a ton of denominations, modern churches are a joke, nobody really knows our history and everybody is reading the bible differently.

[@TheGraceMessage2028]

So as a partial prederist, do you hold the view that the great tribulation, including the appearing of antichrist and the mark of the beast occured at 70ad?

[@ReformedRookie]

yes I do

[@TheGraceMessage2028]

@@ReformedRookie , thank you, follow up questions, so this would mean that your understanding would be that the book of Revelation had to have been written before 70ad and therefore there is no need for a third Jewish Temple to be constructed?

[@ReformedRookie]

@@TheGraceMessage2028 correct- the church is the NT temple of God. Paul: do you not know that YOU are the temple of God?

[@TheGraceMessage2028]

@@ReformedRookie , one point of struggle with regard to the position that the great tribulation has taken place is regarding the abomination of desolation and the antichrist (it is believed that emporor Nero was the antichrist)demanding worship in the Jewish Temple and setting up an image of himself to be worshipped. I'm not sure of this having occurred in history by Nero?

[@ReformedRookie]

@@TheGraceMessage2028 I understand your concern. See below what Jesus said in Lk 21- it happened exactly the way he prophesied. The believing Jews (Christians) left the city and lived, while the unbelieving Jews were slaughtered by the Romans. This is a verifiable historical fact. Luke 21:20-24 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Do you think that a current gentile nation is going to surround the temple in Jerusalem again in the future? And people in Judea are going to flee? What about the people elsewhere? From what I understand, people who are waiting for this hold that it is a worldwide event.

[@johnjoyce1073]

Was his resurrected body his glorified body, or was it glorified in the air when the cloud hid him. What body was Moses Jesus and Elijah wearing on the mountain. What was the meeting on the mountain for

[@johnjoyce1073]

Is the last Trump the sound by the 7th angel?

[@johnjoyce1073]

Will he return the same way? Hidden in a cloud, taken to the father? Ancient of days. Or are you saying he will descend to earth slowly from a cloud in the same way he ascended slowly to a cloud. How many eyes saw him ascend, will that many see him descend. I thought he may have descended in the body John described with great power eyes beaming hair white legs feet glistening bronze. Is that just figurative?

[@ReformedRookie]

He had a physical body that couldn't be destroyed. If it could be, or he shed his body, then he died a second time- death in Hebrew thought is separation from the body.

[@johnjoyce1073]

@@ReformedRookie Considering the descriptions given of Jesus in prophecy. He still had scars and looked no different to his friends. If our bodies can be changed in the air in a twinkle? His? Not shed..... Changed..... In a twinkle in the air hid in a cloud, then presented. The father shared again the glory they shared afore. Glorified to meet the father. Every description seems to describe Jesus in a glorified body. Lazarus and others were raised unglorified?

[@johnjoyce1073]

@@ReformedRookie Are there any old testament prophecies that go beyond ad70 and are yet to be fulfilled?

[@achildofthelight4725]

Its never over...... one book, 30,000 understandings from it so far and growing...growing furthur away from its truth.... looks like the image of the big bang 😂😂

[@mjack3521]

No my natural body is not my glorified body. 1 John 1:9 is written to Gnostics preconversion. If you read your scripture further and be honest. It's says : 1 John 3:5-10 (LEB): And you know that that one was revealed in order that he might take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 Everyone who resides in him does not sin. Everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you: the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as that one is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God was revealed: in order to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Everyone who is fathered by God does not practice sin, because his seed resides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are evident: everyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, namely, the one who does not love his brother.

[@jhow0089]

At multiple points in the lesson you referred to Isaiah 19 as describing Israel's exodus from Egypt. Can you help me understand why it is that you see it that way?

[@ReformedRookie]

I referenced Isa 19 exactly once and it was to describe how God "comes" on a cloud for judgment and not as an actual physical appearing. I never mentioned Isa 19 in reference to Israel's exodus at all...

[@jhow0089]

@@ReformedRookie It sure seems as though you made that connection at 12:20 (and it seems as though you referenced your interpretation of Isaiah 19 a second time at 25:45). I appreciated the presentation and took a lot from it.

[@ReformedRookie]

@@jhow0089 God did visit the Egyptians in judgment, and one of those judgments was at the crossing of the Red Sea- no? And the Egyptians didn't see a physical person riding on a cloud, right? Glad you gleaned from the lesson- praise God.

[@jhow0089]

@@ReformedRookie You're absolutely correct -- but that's not what I'm asking about. I'm wondering why you applied Isaiah 19 to what God did with Egypt in the past instead of embracing the future tense of that passage. Isn't Isaiah 19 talking about a future judgment on Egypt rather than the past judgments on Egypt?

[@ReformedRookie]

@@jhow0089 Here's the answer I think you're looking for- See Jeremiah 46:13-26- Nebudchanezzar would eventually conquer Egypt, i.e. God visiting them on the clouds. It would also be repeated by Ezekiel in ch 29:1-31. Clouds signify God's holy presence and many times judgment. Hope that helps.

[@Daniel-Tiger]

You can’t see the glorified body

[@johnjoyce1073]

Blind people can't see anything, but a fool can when he opens his eyes or listens

[@RabbitholeIsrael]

you said matthew 24 says he will return, then you say he didnt return. yet, mark 14:62 says: And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. this yahushua said to the high priest who condemned him, that the high priest will see his second coming. and revelation 1:7 says the roman soldier who nailed him to the pole will see him return on the clouds of heaven. SO CLEARLY MESSIAH WASNT TALKING ABOUT A SO CALLED SPIRITUAL RETURN. HE TALKED ABOUT HIS PHYSICAL RETURN. historians like jossipon, josephus and tacitus mentioned seeing angelic armies appear in the skies near Yahusalem a few times around 70CE. even riding accross the skies. SOUNDS PHYSICAL TO ME.

[@ReformedRookie]

you need to listen closely- Jesus came spiritually in judgement on the Jews in 70ad, He will come again physically at the end of the age and judge people on the Last Day- Jn 6, 2Cor 5:10.

[@Daniel-Tiger]

This is a very poor understanding of scripture happening here.

[@EusebieGherman-qe1hn]

Oh. I. See. Preterism, kosher BS