Why Rose Doesn't Work

So what's the deal with Rose?
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[@andrerobinson3233]

You know the best part of the Rose/Fin casino arch was? The part where they "save" the space horses (that are going to be recaptured anyways) but not the enslaved children. Now those children will face extra punishment for aiding in the their escape.

[@MedskiPurnamski]

andre robinson also don't forget what Rey said about the Ach-To caretakers. "What are those things?" THEY'RE PEOPLE, REY. THEY ARE NOT THINGS, YOU FUCKING SHELTERED RACIST.

[@andrerobinson3233]

Your right. I couldn't remember that over luke drinking green tity milk and attempting to murder his nephew. I'm afraid there are too many flaws in this film for a mere mortal like me to absorb all at once. The last jedi has broken me. lol

[@MaciejBogdanStepien]

haha andre. It did that to seasoned SW critics/fans. Nearly all of them praised the movie too hastily, before all the wrongs really sank in. There was just too much of it.

[@SmokeymcJoint420]

Beatles Fiend, not those kids directly, but just wait.

[@andrerobinson3233]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. My guess is that they will get an animated spinoff. I can see it now, Star Wars: Kid adventures. Buy the toys now.

[@Umcarasemvideo]

8:18 "It's not by killing it's saving the ones we love" she says as the giant death laser destroys the base of the ones she loves

[@alexiz0013]

Umcarasemvideo That line is the single most contradictory line I've ever heard from any movie. Fucking kills me...

[@Umcarasemvideo]

It's so disconnected from the situation, i get the sentiment behind it but you'd think that would mean giving your life to save everyone but nope! It's even weirder when you take Holdo's own sacrifice into account, she rams a ship into a fleet and destroys like 90% of it kills a bunch of people and it's a sad moment of sacrifice, Finn tries to destroy the cannon, not kill everyone around it mind you just break the cannon, and it's him trying to win by "Killing what you hate silly". It's all so disconnected from everything else.

[@DigiMyst]

Like, what if Luke *hadn't* appeared? Rose would've single-handedly killed her entire resistance over "love".

[@elijahhankins1762]

Umcarasemvideo true

[@Millsyboy84]

Yay, we saved the racing doggo's. I don't think the poor slave stable children are worth going back for. Even though we have just set free the only reason these slave children exist, I'm sure their masters won't punish them or starve them to death.

[@AlexLasson27]

George Lucas: I bet no one can make a more awkward and forced love-interest story between two characters with literally no chemistry than Anakin and Padme. Rian Johnson: Hold my beer

[@whosthere8658]

Alex Lasson lmao

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

😂 this it really funny

[@コリンウォールド]

Alex Lasson in like 2 scenes they had actual chemistry at least there was none in TLJ

[@slyeli1115]

FUUUUCK I'm dying over here LMAO

[@Nathan-ti9pm]

KIng C Rool well sexual chemistry which is not surprising since both Anakin and Padme were young and fairly attractive lol but yeah even then that’s way more than whatever the hell Finn and Rose were supposed to have

[@Moorfeeeus]

Also, HOW IN THE FUCK was Finn able to drag rose a mile back to the hanger without getting blasted by the AT-AT’s?!??

[@Starwaker]

Through power of awkwardly implemented romance I guess (aka bullcrap).

[@pleaserewind295]

Hahahahaha, that part is stupid.

[@kmiranda322]

Yesss!!!

[@wordwyrd]

dragged a mile across the ground.. with open wounds.. through SALT..

[@cosmicmemer1611]

wordwyrd lol

[@joey-if7zq]

finn's first words were: where is rey, he was waiting to see rey, and they add this character..

[@trequor]

joey2099 Star Wars Episode 9: The Forced Love Triangle

[@joey-if7zq]

Couldnt say it better myself

[@Ae7herium]

joey2099 Yep, same fuckin thing Rey does. "Where is Finn?"

[@metaltom2003]

trequor It's worse than just a triangle. Rose loves Finn, but Finn cares a lot about Rey. That much is true. However, let's not forget about Poe meeting Rey; he practically fell for her instantly.

[@Masa6x]

Hey its Disney, EVERYONE IS BEUTIFUL!!!!

[@brendondellinger355]

Rose: I love you. Finn: Woman! You've known me for like 24 hours *T O P S*

[@alexadkins7797]

such a one sided kiss i wonder if finns actor was against it too along with his character

[@supermanboy1255]

LordChaoticX Finns actor as well as Poe actually watched and are star wars fans you can even see it in their acting

[@brendondellinger355]

+SuperManBoy1 Yeah, I'm. not mad at any of the actors, they all seem like cool people even if Rose's actor ships Poe and Finn 😠. Finn and Rey for life lol. I just think the writers did a bad job with her character.

[@wyattflint8856]

Poe and Finn is a better ship than Rose and Finn.

[@yarpen26]

Seriously, they could have just gone for Rey + Finn instead of shoehorning this pointless broad... Regardless which one he ends up with, Finn would still make up 100% of the personality depth within the relationship anyway.

[@e443productions9]

Rose's sister was more interesting

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

You...you aren't wrong

[@Striker775]

Rose's sister stayed conscious in the vacuum of space, and nails the bombing run on the Imperial Dreadnought. Meanwhile, Rose went on a hippie road trip that led to the death of most of the Resistance members on-board escape pods. I guess we all know who was the least favourite child in their family.

[@qperci80]

I agree I think the atmosphere of when she sacrificed herself was one of the better parts of the movie. Then they just contradicted it with rose.

[@alexiz0013]

I strongly agree. Gosh, it's sad isn't it? Lol

[@k5669]

and way more charasmatic and hotter

[@erebus7306]

Rose's sister had less then a minute of screentime and yet did more against the first order than Rose in the entire movie and she actually seemed likeable.

[@GekoHayate]

Aside from the idiocy of non-pressured space bombers that scene gave me hope that the movie wouldn't have been as bad as that crank call set my expectations low.

[@wouters1180]

And hot.

[@bodyoftruth7766]

Wrong! Rose did a ton! Through her actions, the rebel (sorry, resistance) transports were discovered and destroyed, she prevented her beloved Finn from saving the day thereby killing Luke, she celebrated the freeing of some stupid animals even though the enslaved children caring for them were most likely killed, and she sexually assaulted a minority after she had just witnessed countless deaths over the previous several hours. Rose did so much!

[@tonious35]

Was she the Asian pilot from episode 7? If she was, why waste her in a sluggish bomber if she can fly an x-wing?

[@FerociousPaul]

wouters1180 That's why I wish they switched actresses, Rose's onechan was waifu for days

[@ZooDinghy]

I had to laugh so hard when the gate exploded in the background right after Rose said: "That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love." This made her whole point invalid.

[@angrydwarfofdoom]

That line made my eyes roll. And my eyes rolled at least a dozen times this movie.

[@seg162]

"You stupid bint, I was trying to save what we love this entire time!"

[@darthtroller]

Me too, I was like "Luke, just pull your X-Wing outta the water and nerf these First Order bois, your allies are literally killing themselves with hypocrisy

[@edoboleyn]

Her sister gave her life to release a fuck ton of bombs on their enemies, probably with Rose’s well-being in mind. Sometimes, you do have to fight and kill your enemies *in order* to save what you love. This whole film was just ... confused. It wanted to make high-brow points but lacked the intelligence to do so.

[@carl3710]

@Braden YoungHave you not ever seen Independence Day?

[@chapelpluto4484]

Fin and Rose freed the horses and left the kids on the same planet to a life of servitude....GO HEROES!!!!.

[@Starwaker]

They smashed a lot of stuff in that casino. The same casino where children are working, same children they didn't set free. Guess who's going to clean all the mess they left?

[@johnmcnamara8741]

But "It was worth it"

[@LeeONardo]

Also remember while she was taking her time essentially being selfish doing her own thing she was delaying the overall plan and inadvertently getting her friends killed the longer she takes to pull of this plan (which was useless anyway).

[@redconvoy]

So what is Disney's message? Kids are worthless? Great going.

[@onisnikalos54]

Animals are worth more than keeds, in the post-modernistic society!

[@tombarry1824]

The scene when Finn was flying into sacrifice himself at the point when Finn shuts off his headset as they were pleading with him not to sacrifice himself was really good and intense then it was ruined when Rose crashed into Finn.

[@samiamtheman7379]

What was also stupid about that is if you know anything about how crashes work, crashing into Finn from the side most likely would have killed Finn anyway if not both of them, yet somehow Finn is fine and Rose goes unconscious. So in addition to not knowing how space works, Rian Johnson also doesn't know how vehicle crashes work.

[@foxxx2744]

Let's not forget the panoramic shot 10 seconds beforehand that clearly shows there was NO possible way she could've done that. She was literally a mile away, heading in the fucking opposite direction.

[@CyberRelic280]

I agree with you. I was sitting in the theater watching that scene and I was thinking the whole time it was playing out, “oh my gosh he’s going to do it, this is it.” Then rose comes in and “saves the day”. Now I love Finn, he was my favorite character in TFA, and as much as I didn’t want him to die in that moment it would have been much more powerful if Rose would have just let him sacrifice himself. Or better yet, Rose could have been the one to do it.

[@mightyambassador4189]

Lol same here. When I was watching in the theater my reaction when Rose "saved" Finn was a silent "ohhh nooo" with a facepalm.

[@DarkDodgers]

Oi same here! Granted, I wanted more meaningful time with Finn because I genuinely like his character more than most of the other characters in the series but I knew the SECOND that he took off the headset that THIS was the best way for him to go. I was so happy that he was getting some REALLY MEANINGFUL character development. I was kinda sad too but ultimately ECSTATIC! BUT NOOOOOOO! Rose HAD to intervene! AND FOR NO REASON! I dunno what the future holds for any character now. This movie failed to really develop any of them. It's really sad.

[@candycane1744]

When I saw Rose kissing Finn I was actually pissed.I was like WTF there was no chemistry AT ALL!!?

[@mattiasnelson1692]

Candy Cane that was one of the laziest and most sloppy romances I've ever seen.

[@BumbleCrumble1072]

Even Finn was like “wtf just happened?”

[@candycane1744]

Let me say that I threw a tantrum at the theater..I know that was pretty bad of me but I did.. Funny enough when Rey and Fin reunited half of the audience looked at me to see if I would react. I literally said "what? At least they have SOME sort of chemistry"

[@HeroProductionz]

Candy Cane I AGREE

[@edoboleyn]

Neocereus SHOTS FIRED. I agree, though. They have zero chemistry. That was such an awkward, emotionless kiss. Finn and Rey were adorable on camera together in TFA. Their friendship was one of the most enjoyable in Episode XII, and one of my favorite aspects of Finn’s character was his commitment to save this one person with whom he has a connection instead of jumping without question into the Resistance ... I mean, Rebels? That’s an incredibly relatable, endearing kind of heroism. He had so much potential as a character.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

Well if Rose's purpose was to make people miss Jar Jar, then she did a great job.

[@caseyclark5174]

Holy shit dude this killed me. So savage.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

It's funny how the Porgs were just to sell toys and did nothing. Baby Groot was used to sell toys and was relevant to the story and awesome lol. I have to disagree the Porgs were in two scenes. Rose was major character.

[@obsidianthedread]

The Porg-Chewbacca scene was a more striking animal rights message than the whole doghorse things subplot. I'd still like a taste of roast porg tho.

[@sdjosh9081]

JarJar > Rose

[@matman000000]

You know, for such a hated character, Jar Jar did much more to move the story forward and even took out a couple of droids. Everything Rose does is to the detriment of the conflict.

[@xXSanijaXx]

What I found very irritating was the scene where Rose told Finn about the animals and children and how she experienced this bad things in her childhood and he feels bad for her and the audience is supposed to feel bad for her, but I was like: Wait a second, wasn't Finn the one who got kidnaped from his family when he was a child, to serve under the first order? He doesnt need someone explaining to him, that there are bad things in the world. I feel like they could've had a really meaningfull conversation there, but they decided to set Finn up as this comedic dump character, that serves as a way for Rose to explain shit. Hell no.

[@calvinjohnstone2664]

xXSanijaXx I found the whole escape on the donkey/camel things was pointless. Who'd want a toy of it 4 1?😕

[@2002films]

Rose and Fin got to free the animals and left the kids enslaved.

[@Palpad100]

THANK YOU!! Someone realizes that!!

[@arichutfles]

xXSanijaXx Geez, people keep pointing out more and more idiotic things about this movie that I didn't notice. There was too much idiocy to keep up with. This movie is an endless fount of idiocy.

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

Not to mention those poor kids will probably be killed for "letting the animals escape."

[@TwinTowersForever]

Rose should have pushed his ship out of the way and then sacrificed herself instead. Could have had a scene of her looking down the necklace or something. Would have redeemed it

[@BungieStudios]

FN's going full speed. Somehow Rose's fat ass is able to out accelerate and out race FN in order to crash into him. Somehow neither of them get shot.

[@FranciscoPartidas]

i had the same idea

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

But do you notice she was CRYING after Paige died. The message is death is sometimes needed - Finn killing Phasma. But death is not always a good solution - Luke could Kylo at the end but doesn't wanting to show the Jedi way is better. In a sense, Rose is following a Jedi lesson of using violence DEFENSIVELY.

[@_mylo_xyloto_1816]

Yea, instead she just compromised the whole mission to save 1 guy who she'd knows like a day

[@Knight5end]

Lando’s Calrissian should’ve been the damn code breaker

[@KianoUyMOOP]

Exactly. Hell, the whole mysterious setup of Benicio Del Toro's introduction in the jail cell screamed "Cameo incoming'. Besides, it would suit Lando to be in a casino since he's a gambler.

[@drakor98]

Normally I would agree, but I feel like it would have made such a huge universe (Er, Galaxy), smaller than it really is. Adding new characters and planets to flesh out a Fiction that’s been stripped away of all of its expanded universe, I think, is a better move. While I really like Lando, it would have been a bit bland and predictable if everyone happened to know one another. I personally don’t want to sit through another “hey it’s you again” scene.

[@Knight5end]

Drakorphobia ,, well Mas new Han why wWouldn’t she know Landau she’s been around for like 1000 years so it wouldn’t of been a far-fetched coincidence..😊

[@Knight5end]

Drakorphobia But I see what you’re saying

[@Fenrir767]

Or heck at least the Gambler that could lead them to the code breaker “Lobot” boom epic connection to the OG trilogy!

[@allynflinchbaugh4570]

The problem is that the movie was plot-driven to the level that the characters didn't act the way the characters should act, but they merely were made to act the way that the plot needed them to act. Whether or not it made any sense for a particular character.

[@KianoUyMOOP]

The plot was about cleaning Abella Danger's butt but it's a dangerous task so many people died in the process.

[@Trazynn]

The Skywalker lineage ends with a parking violation.

[@Mikewee777]

decentradical , I am ok with this. Top Gear was a video game about racing to a pre-traffic Las Vegas as incompetently as possible.

[@jblue1622]

decentradical because Luke was clearly trying to have kids lol

[@olucaspc]

we still have reylo (which is a dumb idea)

[@arte0021]

he had a kid named Ben in the EU

[@archiecroft9351]

Mike Richard top gear was/is an English car show

[@BruvahSulaiman]

When she kissed him it was pretty much sexual harassment.

[@visionist7]

Oh nooo it's not sexual harassment when a woman does it! lol

[@inferno8992]

Felice Graziano Men's Rights says otherwise.

[@christ4edwoods207]

Yeah, I see a lawyer handing her a summons in the future.😂😂😂

[@matthewperry1067]

The First Order's reaction: "Awwww that's cute!" The Resistance's reaction "DID HE GIVE YOU CONSENT TO KISS HIM!?" This movie made me wish the bad guys were the good guys.

[@matthewperry1067]

@First Name Last Name Lol, the First Order would only be disgusted if she was a Wookie

[@Spartan155]

What really takes me right out of the story is that the Imperials felt like an actual military and the first order seems like a bunch of Cosplayers hamming at the camera. The closest we got to a cool First order commander was the captain of the dreadnaut cause he seemed like he had 2 braincells to rub together.

[@Gozokukolat]

Except he didn't follow established protocol and launch a flight of TIEs upon hyperspace reversion. I know it wouldn't make a difference vs. Poe, but the First Order supposedly has a bigger stick up their collective asses than the Imperials did.

[@Ihavethetouch]

But wasn't he the guy who was mad that the fighters hadn't been launched?

[@Gozokukolat]

Yep. Still hadn't launched them though.

[@Ihavethetouch]

But why would he berate himself about it?

[@Gozokukolat]

Cause it's a poorly written story?

[@Fickji]

Do you see what you did Rian Johnson? Do you see what you did? Instead of the internet being overrun by theories for the next Star Wars movie people are going back to rewrite your poorly written movie.

[@cragnog]

omg its true. This is sad news

[@River_Frost]

Snarky McSne This is painfully true...

[@WOLFM0THER]

Yeah. Tch, I see what I’ve done. I’m sorry. I’ll be better when I direct the next Star Wars. Sorry, Snarky McSne.

[@iamthe_influence]

Just count the amount of copies. It's just the 4th-6th movies executed badly.

[@vidox78]

Me sa Rose now

[@duvipearson6251]

stop it

[@pixelpotato4874]

😂 😂 😂

[@ajbaker1213]

pure gold xD

[@ioconway5234]

You win the internet

[@B.attle-Brother]

No no no no please no!!!!!!

[@Hunpecked]

6:20 "It's subverting your expectations blah blah blah. You know, that's what everything in the movie is." Exactly. The audience expected that the plot would be at least minimally intelligent. Good job subverting our expectations there, Disney!

[@forestelfranger]

Yeah when you overuse a trope. Just do it for the sake of doing it, rather then thinking if this would be a good or smart idea. Yeah it doesn't seem smart but rather comes off as lazy writing.

[@Shakiahjprod]

Forest elfranger Exactly he just didn't CARE abiut expectations just knew Disney and Kathleen were gonna love that money

[@seaturtleninja8365]

Every time they talked about the spark of hope I threw up.

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

(Skeletons oohing)

[@zachariasedstrom2257]

"That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love" Saving what we love by slamming into them at a high velocity? Something which very well could have resulted in both of theirs fiery deaths... WHAT!?!

[@placidrenegade]

Tottmeister it's Swiss cheese bro, endless holes

[@christ4edwoods207]

Zacharias Edström hahaha Hollywood

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Admittedly, its silly but that happens a lot. I mean in Rise of Kylo almost crashes into Rey to prove her bloodline. Chewie and Han are on a dangerous train heist to prove they are smugglers. People in SW do dangerous, crazy things to prove themselves. It happens a lot.

[@vryc]

I swear, every time Rose was on screen, I thought she was going to break into song as if she were part of some Broadway musical production. She had that kind of super annoying 'lean in with hands slightly back' gesture. There was an 'over eagerness' that I often associate with musicals in general.

[@keineahnung595]

What are you expecting from a movie that's gotten Disney written over it?

[@DarthEUC]

Lets welcome Jar Jar Binks back into our hearts ..... #JarJarRose

[@samiamtheman7379]

Unlike Rose, Jar Jar was actually useful.

[@JP-xn7si]

and he was a sith lord

[@hk-47droid64]

Mace Windu: A Sith Lord? Are you sure?

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

mskitconsulting lol yes Rose jar jar

[@emperorreign6154]

They got the wrong sister. The one who died was far more likeable and interesting and did MORE with little screen time than Rose ever did. Someone please tell me, what did she do??? What purpose did she serve??? Utterly useless, pointless character. Jar jar fucking did more than her.

[@duyminhpham8083]

lmfao. he actively helped bring the whole franchise's greatest villian to power lol.

[@yarpen26]

Her sister's legitimately hotter but her scene was also stupid af. Retarded and force heroism (grabbing the remote at the last moment), slo-mo up the ass... the OT somehow managed to be compelling without such gimmicks. Not to mention Rian Johnson yet again showcasing he doesn't know shit about storytelling and foreshadowing. How bout, I don't know, maybe mentioning the fact that this brave chick got a sister somewhere? Like let her say something like "That's for you sis" right before she kicks the bucket or whatever. And _not_ pull shit out of your ass any time you write yourself into a creative corner?

[@anastasia-fr1gn]

Duy Minh Pham Well, thats something, right?

[@rocketraccoon1976]

Paige was too pretty. Her replacing Rose would have triggered SJWs everywhere as just pandering eye-candy for all the misogynist bigots of the Patriarchy.

[@skendrix7]

she helped sell tickets in Asian countries (literally her only purpose)

[@OdinAesthetic]

I actually thought the rose kiss on Finn was pretty ballsy by Disney. An unwanted sexual advance / assault? In 2017? That took some serious balls.

[@mattfan5]

Odin Aesthetic that would imply that women can cause unwanted sexual advances

[@Gemstonehits]

But REMEMBER, WoMYn caNt rape because *MEN* alWAYS wants *SEX*

[@jarhead3571]

The funny thing is Finn made no signs of wanting Rose. It looked like he froze in shock when she kissed him and just ignored it because of the deadly situation he was in.

[@tornut24]

Or maybe it wants you to believe that Asian women lust for black men

[@ikerus0072]

Its not assault, cause Finn is a man so he cant be raped....cause it makes sense right? Had Finn kissed Rose she would have slapped him and everybody would freak out....

[@Roggoll]

"Maybe we could have phasma go through a character arc and we could learn something about her... nevermind that would be interesting." oHMy god you just became my new favourite youtuber

[@justfantastic2877]

TheOnlyRoggol its my understanding that shes a badass freelancer working only for the money in the eu. Im suprised they killed her like that.

[@lllXanderlll]

Star Wars: The slowest chase in the galaxy

[@aitorjimenez2705]

Xander 'The Wolf' i actually liked the chase as it really felt like naval warfare in space and that shields actually mattered

[@lllXanderlll]

Aitor Jimenez The thing I didn't like about it is that in the moment it's a not that bad but once you're home and thinking back on it the chase was overly long. The first order could've sent one of the dozen Star Destroyers ahead to block them in, the fighters could've blown up the engines etc. When I thought of it like that it just felt like an overly drawn out chase

[@aitorjimenez2705]

Xander 'The Wolf' i think it really showed Hux's incompetence ("we should have scrambled fighters 5 minutes ago") and his desire to *personally* crush the rebellion, as he was in Snoke's words, a dog

[@lllXanderlll]

Aitor Jimenez Ugh yeah Hux is a complete idiot in this movie but I'll just leave it at that otherwise I'll just get annoyed thinking of all the stupid choices he made ( - -)

[@prophiit]

You wanna see something slow? Watch the Frieza arc from Dragon Ball Z, 5 mins is like 10+ episodes.

[@MataNui.]

What I want is for these movies to stop trying to be funny. Comic relief here and there is fine but they literally interrupt a moment at the beginning for a bad joke.

[@comiclove5]

She took away from Finn a character who truly needs devolopment, he could have did that whole canto blight/infiltration storyline by himself. In the before the awakening book it describes that Finn excels in everything.

[@youngfyah]

Nicholas Perry yet in both movies he's running around like a clown.

[@Greenrivers14]

Would've made more sense for Poe to stop him

[@youngfyah]

Brianna Laola 💯 agree.

[@99batran]

Well at least it killed the Finn x Poe ship.

[@christianjadot4459]

It was originally supposed to be Finn and Poe. (I don't know if he was supposed to actually sacrifice himself though.) Someone thought they were too much alike personality wise.

[@chirstinasilver7274]

Rose had one of the WORST lines ever, that reminded me of the terrible lines Anakhin had in the prequels. "I wish I could put my fist through this lousy beautiful town", agh like what? Did they gt a preteen to write one line or is Rose just that cringe in dialouge.

[@thebeanbag3507]

Chirstina Silver Anakin had only one good line. "I don't like sand"

[@ben-3467]

~quote because im too lazy to look up the actual lines "We dont win by killing what we hate its by saving what we love"

[@edoboleyn]

Gaius Wyrden Yeah, I think the prequels have some issues but I actually really like them? 8(

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

Your suggestions are better than the movie by quite a margin. So much wasted potential lost in this movie.

[@Blinix2]

Everything is better than the movie movie by quite a margin :v r

[@purefoldnz3070]

I can't wait for the ROSE spin off films. Where she goes around the galaxy saving animals. Next stop Circus planet and space elephants.

[@mupty]

Purefoldnz I wouldn't have minded Rose being an SJW if her character had more of a purpose beyond just being a random Resistance fighter.

[@greasygranpapy7529]

mupty ... how is she an sjw? What do you think sjw even means?

[@NORCURONMAN]

lol !

[@rlelinney4646]

the reason Rose does not work is simply because she feels like a forced character and is constantly controlling Finn. Finn has zero thunder and becomes lame as a result.

[@purefoldnz3070]

They should have made a Rose a traitor who is letting the First Order track them through hyperspace and her story a redemption arc.

[@mupty]

Purefoldnz Kathleen and Rian would never allow it...unless Rose was a white male of course

[@dragonphoreal]

Did the hacker subplot even do anything for the movie? 1) They don't even get the hacker they were originally looking for 2) The hacker they did get served no purpose other than "BETRAYAL!!!" - and he's likely dead now 3) In the end, all it did was bog down the pace

[@fujihara17]

Shenyongo The Dragon Slayer he's basically the new lando... expect him In the next movie despite the fact he has no ties for redemption to the characters like lando did with Han.

[@purefoldnz3070]

They should have made a Rose a traitor who is letting the First Order track them through hyperspace and her story a redemption arc.

[@o0m9]

It foiled Holdo's plan and got a whole lot of people killed. Of course it could have been avoided if Holdo just told people what the plan was, but if we keep going down that hole we'll be here all day.

[@masterchief3007]

Yeah I got pissed off in the theater when they actually left the whole conflict at hand to get the “Master Code Breaker.” It sounded like a quest. Like, I really thought they were doing a KOTOR sidequest. A hologram sends them to an irrelevant planet to fetch a character unrelated to the plot, to get a code that didn’t end up helping the story anyway.

[@jesperburns]

Not only that. DJ couldn't know about the plan. Because Poe, Finn and Rose didn't know. Poe was mid mutiny for the very reason that nobody knew Holdo's plan while DJ somehow knew about it. Massive, glaring plothole.

[@Dimelo.R]

That kiss at the end just felt. . . Kinda. . . Forced. (No pun intended)

[@boy_moist8568]

Undead Trooper she sexually harrassed him

[@spartanpawn007]

That would be assault, not harassment.

[@TacoRepublic]

Pun intended

[@christ4edwoods207]

They did not even comb her hair and put some make up on her face and try and make her attractive...

[@manchest2211]

Of course u intended it

[@MurakamiTenshi]

You can take Rose out of the story, and there would be no impact. It should have just been Finn, Poe and BB8 on a grand adventure

[@matman000000]

There would be a positive impact, since Finn could sacrifice himself to save the rebels.

[@99batran]

Mattchester I think that would've been in vain in the long run, as the rebels would find a way to escape one way or another and the (next) movie would go mostly the same.

[@matman000000]

99batran But they needed Luke to slow down Kylo for their escape.

[@TheNejD]

i said pretty much the same thing with TFA, the film should of been finn rey and BB8 going on wacky adventures unsure what to do until they get captured or something in the last 20 mins.

[@ganon8997]

BuT ThAt Is AlL MeN

[@TheSouloftheDragon]

The thing I hated most about Rose is that certain groups are trying to push her as the next big thing. I personally found her boring and unnecessary, but like you said, execution.

[@MrBrewman95]

She seemed like a completely useless character. Oh, she is Asian at least. Yay for diversity! Like anyone actually gives a fuck.

[@Axelovskji]

bring her to the block!!!

[@nguyenbagiap7433]

i'm asian and i even hate her. Hollywood writer seem out of reality.

[@ricardosiahaan5287]

Brad you are right.. as an asian dude I don't give a F about Rose

[@Mikalent]

She could've been removed, since the entire script originally had Poe going with Finn, but was canned because " Their banter was too dull" and they created Rose. Honestly Rose's "sister", the one that died dropping the bombs on the Dreadnaught, I felt she had more character in the 5 minutes of screen time than Rose had her entire arc. Also the Casino bit hits you in the face with "Screw rich people" stick way too much.

[@warex4501]

Funny how they rescued the animals but left the children enslaved. The worst part of the movie was how they ruined hyperspace lore.

[@ivanthemadvandal8435]

​@@alexandergreene461 Funnily enough what TLJ did directly contradicts what they shower in TFA. In TFA they infiltrated Starkiller by coming out of hyper between the planetary shield and Starkiller. This shows that matter in hyper and matter in normal space don't interact, otherwise the Falcon would have been smashed against the shield so Abrams was operating more or less by the old lore rules.

[@ashleymartinsonforever3131]

Yeah.. it bugged me too... Yes they freed the animals but scoffs they didn't think to rescue the kids. When I saw the movie, I was like " Wouldn't it have made a bigger statement to free the kids too"? That's just my opinion.

[@racewiththefalcons1]

This is how you fix Rose: delete her from the movie. She only exists so a female character could have a role in Finn's shenanigans and take a heroic part in the climax by saving Finn. That's it. She didn't need to be there while Poe literally just sits around the whole time. Make Finn - the former Stormtrooper - the codebreaker, and have him join Poe on a quest into the First Order ship. That dynamic is what was already established. It makes no sense to disrupt it so a new and needless character could take the spotlight *just* because they wanted a female character to be involved. If you want to give female character role of prominence, you have to write them into the story, not just drop them in and forget everything that was already set up. That's bad writing.

[@herohour6496]

don't be racist. Rose is asian american. But she belongs in Star Wars

[@Jakovdred]

My Asian female friend was very unhappy about Rose, complained something about fat girl stereotype, but my friend is skinny. I really don't get it.

[@rubyg2478]

Hero Hour do you know the definition of racist he didnt say anything racist. Rose doesn't fit it was weird seeing a forced romance if you watch the movie she was literly trying to rape Finn with that awkward kiss. But I did like Rose,Kelly Marie Tran did a good job acting.

[@racewiththefalcons1]

If she was a purple elephant, she'd still be out of place because the CHARACTER is unnecessary to the story. Don't make this into something it's not.

[@evannovella4188]

Giovanni - except everythibg you stated is EXACTLY WHY SHE IS IN IT TO BEGIN WITH

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

I really don't get why people say this is fresh and new. It's Empire and Jedi smushed together. If anything the prequels were fresher with more ideas of their own than TFA and TLJ.

[@pleaserewind295]

I'm confused by that too, outside of the Leia Flying and Force Skyping. This movie didn't commit to anything that new, we have seen the leads fail before in ESB.

[@gspida25]

Please Rewind she’s marry poppins y’all

[@ericeyerman6285]

Bjørn Halfhand You might be right I have notice that outside of super Heroes movies writer are getting laze this is why movies are flopping.

[@willsteven700]

Bjørn Halfhand It takes elements from Empire and Jedi but it uses them in different or subversive ways.

[@jewelsvermin8866]

Will Stevenson so we took old things and added a twist to the reveals. If tfa gets bashed for being a new hope remix this should for being a ESB and ROTJ remix.

[@zognarreg]

Wasn't Holdo's last action the LEAST she could do, considering she basically team killed the resistance?

[@andyjacobs7010]

How did Holdo kill the Resistance?

[@duyminhpham8083]

Worse, she just sat there, looking at all those laser shots for some minutes or so instead of actually doing what she did... much ealier.

[@duyminhpham8083]

Worse, she just sat there, looking at all those laser shots for some minutes or so instead of actually doing what she did... much ealier.

[@andyjacobs7010]

Duy Minh Pham If she did it earlier A. The transports wouldn't be fueled B. The transports would have to fly too far and would all be shot down before making it to the planet/base

[@Unethical.Dodgson]

Let's be fair -- Leia didn't exactly leave her with a good situation nor command structure. The resistance was thoroughly fucked from the start.

[@youngfyah]

Finn was just a token.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

Yeah it was a shame. He went from being very interesting, a storm trooper turning was a great original Idea, someone who did the right thing and had moral conflict. Now he's just a guy who was there.

[@MarilynFinland]

My thoughts exactly. I loved Finn. I was looking forward to seeing his character development but I feel like he was just put on the side. Finn also had great chemistry with Rey. I don't want to see Finn with Rose. Zero chemistry. Forced.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

Honestly TLJ made me not care about 9

[@Me-fy8ue]

A weak token

[@Patrick-sw1iq]

youngfyah yeah. He had great promise in TFA. Only to be turned to a sub-par character. A huge let down.

[@NiraSader]

"It's about saving the ones we love" "Guess what I was just about to do, bitch?"

[@alphabetmonkey1435]

I was so ready for finn to sacrifice himself not because i hate him but because it would've solidified him as a tragic hero and just a hero in general. And BOOM FUCKING ROSE COMES IN AND RUINS IT PRACTICALLY PUTTING EVERYONE ELSE AT RISK. but yeah um great video man , good job lol

[@crob3545]

Exactly

[@SteveSmith-rt7wx]

And then it becomes a comedy scene, where Rose won't fuck the shut up about love and then the massive fuck-cannon blasts the rebel base. They should have reacted like "Oh shit! We forgot that was happening!"

[@kellofkells6002]

The build up was soooo strong

[@bandagedboot7173]

Build up, build up, build up, climax, wait never mind just disregard all that build up

[@nrossetti2046]

The "Rose as a Hacker" idea would be cool, but it can't happen because BB8 is essentially a god of haxxorz with infinitely adaptable integration powers.

[@theempire00]

Random Fan lol

[@yarpen26]

At this point BB8 is Star Wars' Legolas.

[@asayospacegoat6384]

Which makes the codebreaker arc even MORE pointless.

[@theempire00]

AsayoSpaceGoat good point

[@randywilliams5313]

Now the last Jedi looks like a more worse movie, because of what it could’ve been.

[@jackness9431]

Kylo Ren is star wars in a nutshell. *"I'll destory the past, the Jedi the sith the rebllion, all of it."*

[@danieldukai1380]

At that point in the movie, I actually rooted for Kylo. Just do something fresh with the movie. FFS.

[@jackness9431]

Daniel Dukai Eh Kylo doesn't seem up to the task and in all fairness I could careless if he died. He's like and emotional teenager having a ultimate military on his backing. I liked the movie as a movie, but it has flaws just like any movie.

[@hannahz8636]

Why is Rey so good at everything? Why is Kylo (a trained Sith) not as good as Rey in the force? Why is there this character named rose that has no reason? Why do we spend an hour on planet capitalism that Serves no point to the plot? I don't understand...

[@Nobodyss21]

Gaius Wyrden Leia secretly clark kent in disguise

[@luukrawks]

Rey is a Mary Sue

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Kylo is not a Sith neither is Snoke. Kylo was not "trained" - in TFA Snoke says he has to COMPLETE his training. Rey is not good at everything. She is tricked by Ren. She also is seduced by the dark side too quickly and Luke has to pull her back. Rose forces Finn to take the ideals of the resistance seriously. Spending time on planets with alien cultures is in ALL SW films (Solo, Phantom, Empire, ROTJ) - in Phantom because of fuel Jinn finds Anakin, the chosen one. In Last Jedi because of fuel, the rebels need to go to Crait where Luke shows up to save them. What don't you understand?

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

@Gaius Wyrden Jedi could ALWAYS do that. In Rogue 1, Vader is in open space. Maul throws a force user into space and he lives. Breathing in space is not hard for Jedi. People can fly (really float) in space easily - as long as there is no counterforce they can move quickly to something - basic physics. Any other questions??

[@WuTangWarrior]

Finn should have died saving the resistance and still have Luke alive so he can help train the girl

[@boy_moist8568]

Aidan Palkin yup

[@DQBlizzard_]

Aidan Palkin "we gotta flip this film on its head"

[@patrick7142]

but Ray needs no training....She is already OP. She beat Kylo in Force awakens with absolutely no training....

[@christ4edwoods207]

Aidan Palkin wrong. Rose should have died. And Luke could train Finn. Yesssss👍

[@christ4edwoods207]

Patrick Agu that's what enraged fans. Vader trained since he was a child. Luke trained a couple of years beat Vader and Rey did not train at all beat Kylo who trained since he was a child.. SW is poor plotting at its best.

[@remo687]

*"Things are different, it's not going to feel like a movie from 1977.."* Well the thing is, my little friend, is that the the 1977 film was so good that it DOESN'T EVEN FEEL like a 1977 film. THAT'S WHY IT HAS ENDURED AND IS CONSIDERED A TRUE CLASSIC.

[@luda140]

WallyWinka ????? Relax

[@343-penitentnarrator8]

Pre-fucking-cisely!! Was literally thinking this when he said it. For an obviously intelligent and observant youtuber he should know that while the props change and fads come and go, good storytelling is timeless. What makes a film a classic is independent of when it's made and the ideas of the time. For a largely good video this really sticks out like a sore thumb. Really surprised he said it.

[@yarpen26]

The only thing that's dated about the original Star Wars is the '70s hairdos.

[@LeftTension]

jay wise martin oh come the fuck on have you fucks not actually watched the original Star Wars? Or the prequels? There are only one or two Star Wars movies that have less holes than the last Jedi and that's 5 & 6. Just thinking of the old Ben shit in a new hope makes me laugh how people didn't like Luke's depiction in this movie

[@EyanJimison]

You uh... You triggered?

[@eshaw2115]

This trilogy should have been made for Finn to be the main character. The fact that he was a storm trooper that deserted because his conscience was bothering him, the writers could have expanded on that. But no, let's have a bland Mary Sue and let Finn be the clown act.

[@mupty]

eshaw2115 He spends most of TFA following Rey. His character was poorly written from the start.

[@arichutfles]

If you analyse the story of TFA, all the major plot points revolve around a decision made by Finn. Finn is the main character of that movie.

[@99batran]

I think Rey was supposed to be a bit "blank" so the audience could 'project' themselves onto her. It's common for stories to do that to protagonists.

[@arichutfles]

99batran Main characters can, and often are, rather blank in the personality department so that the audience can "pour themselves" into the role. However, the protagonist is the character who makes the pivotal decisions at each major plot point. Rey has little say in most of these major turning points of both Force Awakens and Last Jedi. Finn and Luke, respectively, make most of the major decisions in the two movies with Rey either reacting to those decisions or simply being swept along by the plot.

[@andyn46]

Finn on paper works, I really like the ideas he brings to the table. In addition to bad writing, John boyega does an awful job with the character. He has no charisma, line delivery is flat, and he comes across as a massive pussy. I hate to say it, but they have Finn so Disney can say they have a diverse cast

[@RFSA180]

Christ, the more I dwell the more I hate it.

[@cognitivedissonance8406]

That's called the dark side. Enjoy your descent.

[@Marcusjnmc]

same, don't dwell, read some new canon comics instead, ignore ep 8 xP

[@Tyrantlizardking105]

Same here, as I walked out of the theater I was like "Well that wasn't that bad" I even told some people I thought it was "good" but that I didn't like some stuff. The more I thought about it the more I just want them to scrap these off the canon and want them to start over with the new trilogy. This movie has me more infuriated with the direction Star Wars is going than The Force Awakens, or even the fucking prequels.

[@hyperchord]

I'm right there with you

[@nenrima]

So fucking true...

[@ReidMerrill]

Leia should have been the one who rammed the imperial fleet. It would have been a good send off for the character and would have made the moment more powerful moment. Hodo or whatever her name was introduced and made immediately unlikable which rendered her death as meaningful.

[@Keesha_Hardy]

John's Dongle Yes!!! Excellent point! I hate how Holdo was introduced too. The, "It's so obvious who the next leader should be...", like seriously??? It felt like scenes were missing.

[@MrCalbber]

John's Dongle didn't they say they will make a nice goodbye for "leia"-carrie fisher? But instead they killed luke and she's alive?!

[@BigBroTejano]

ya they... probably weren't planning on her actress dying... that said, Leia being the one to do it would have at least stuck with their theme of "letting the past die."

[@SleepyDroid]

At least they could have admiral ackbar do it and he can say Allah ackbar before he do it haha

[@spiritofplace_1969]

Edit Rose and Holdo out of the movie, let Leia delay the First Order fleet with a Kamikaze defense & Finn have his sacrifice run saving the rebels, and with all weaknesses, it would be a decent movie ending on a darker note, similar to Rogue One.

[@gufu21]

[Sudden Clarity Clarence:] What if the whole movie was about failure / So Rian Johnson intentionally failed at making the movie?

[@trequor]

Greg Scoggin *Keanu Reeves* whoa

[@Mikewee777]

Greg Scoggin , I could live with this movie being a fever-dream in Han Solo's head. It would explain how porgs and ewoks keep winning wars against armed solders.

[@Sorain1]

I'd probably establish it as a giant force vision of what would happen if Luke shirked getting involved, occurring when he touched his old light-saber for the first time. You instantly get licence to rip nearly anything 'good' from it and use in the third movie, while getting licence to throw out whatever you want.

[@NiraSader]

Rose "I'm just here to have Asians in space" Tico Rose "dooming everyone for your own selfish reasons" Tico Rose ""saving the ones you love by doing the exact opposite" Tico

[@samiamtheman7379]

Something I wondered. Why not make Rose an alien? If they really wanted more diversity, why not kill two birds with one stone and have the Asian girl play an alien? Guardians of the Galaxy 2 did it. The only alien in the main cast is Chewbacca so where's that alien diversity in this galaxy?

[@NiraSader]

samiamtheman 73 because they only want "diversity" in terms of the human races, they don't care about the context of the fictional universe the movie is actually set in, they want the characters of movies to "reflect the racial makeup of the real world", not understanding that the whole point of those fantasy/sci-fi universes is hat they aren't the real world

[@Derek.Mitchell]

Tancread of Galilee I live in a town in the south and 3 of the 5 weddings I attended last year were interracial so it's not really stigmatized like it would have been 50+ years ago. I also live in the largest cotton producing community in the western hemisphere, and I'm proud to say that exactly 0 of the farming families here benefited from slavery. I'm not exactly sure where you're receiving your intel from but you seem to paint a rather ugly picture on a lot of people without their consent or input. Now I want you to straighten your stereotypes out a bit so you're welcome to come vist me and the people of Lubbock, Texas anytime.

[@PepperKatLancer]

Tancread of Galilee Yeah about 2 generations ago we had a problem with interracial FYI I live in Mississippi and most of us if not all are ok with it!

[@sonicthetoot]

Bob Reno um nooo Rey is a Jedi day no love for ppl

[@chase001]

Rose was created to stop Finn and Poe's love story. 🤣

[@boy_moist8568]

Charles Johnson RIP

[@inferno8992]

You can't stop true bro-mance

[@AverageWagie]

Actually she was created to draw in the Chinese audiences. But it didn't work because she's ugly as fuck and Chinese people like their movies to have good looking actors in them. In fact, the movie did poorly in China because none of the main actors were very attractive.

[@AverageWagie]

Oscar Isaacs is Guatemalan, not Italian

[@randomedd4234]

The ghost of John Wick's puppy Guatemalan is not a race though. The actor is probably Mestizo (Native American/white).

[@Katsuhono]

Great idea with the re write of Rose's character. This movie feels like a first or second draft of a script before you start realizing you can merge some characters together, some subplot don't make much sense, etc... but this is a first draft that got made into a 200 millions dollars movie

[@rinzler9775]

Katsuhono - this whole movie focused on left wing propaganda and screwed the actual story line.

[@liutenantfate5136]

It made 200 million because of effective advertising and the overall Star Wars brand. The movie itself was god awful

[@Knollock]

It really does. The movie has a lot of time wasting nonsense and thematic inconsistencies that could have easily been cleaned up with a good editor going over things. But, hey. It'll still make crazy money, why pay someone to fix the script?

[@milestiller665]

What about it was left wing propoganda?

[@michaelwolf8690]

+Toxic Avenger - If left-wing propaganda was what was wrong with the movie there would theoretically be someone on the Left who liked this film. Strong Female characters being jerks drove what little drama there was in the movie, without them the movie would have been a great chance to catch a nap. Grr capitalism bad being overtaken by literally All-Lives-Matter was the only decent subverted expectation in the film, but it still wouldn't have been a thing without vilifying rich white casino jerks.

[@dondenjilive]

We're not gonna win by destroying the things we hate..." *TIE Fighters wipe out remaining ski speeders* "We're gonna win by..." *Stormtroopers execute surviving ski speeder pilots* "...saving the things we love" *First order blasts open the giant ass door, literally BTFOing the resistance* *cut to awful kiss scene* *literally 20-30 people left in the """resistance"""" "We're winning hahahah see????"

[@Thee_Sinner]

Ladies and gentlemen, the new Jar Jar:

[@carsonwilson1654]

Uriah Siner well who’s making the theory on the fact that she is a spy or something

[@george_MF_washington]

Not even close Fucking shit jar jar was ass

[@Chugargonfan]

LMAOOOO

[@tonipekkala845]

George Washington Jar Jar is so bad that everytime I see him I just laugh, Rose makes me want to die

[@emperorreign6154]

Now that’s just harsh. On Jar Jar!

[@BennysGamingAttic]

Lol your video is longer than the amount of time Rose was in the movie

[@willeustace9401]

Ben Walters didn’t feel that way

[@falldownftw9631]

William Eustace Ben Walters felt that way

[@KamuiDuck]

Should tell you how bad of a character she is

[@thevibestation5174]

True but the difference between this video and Rose is the fact this video has a point....

[@pleaserewind295]

Same with the Joker in Dark Knight.

[@Bathory471]

Honestly, Finn not dying was what bothered me the most. Rose would have doomed everyone if Luke didn't come. PS: Pat you hack, you stole 70% of my ideas!!

[@woei-sheuwu4037]

Had he died, it would have made the movie darker and probably saved the movie from being ambivalent. By developing his character we develop the other titular characters as it's a trauma that we the audience feel for. since we got to know Fin. And I agree that her move would have doomed everyone, totally illogical and out of no where

[@arichutfles]

Or they could have had Rose knock Finn out of the way and run into the cannon herself if they didn't want to kill Finn. But really, this whole trilogy should be deleted.

[@MichaelNNY]

Dont worry they died. They crashed in front of the line of FO armor. They are both dead.

[@potentpotables5468]

I liked the movie, but rose just seemed completely unnecessary. It could have been Fin and Poe looking for the code breaker.

[@NH-cj4pk]

I know, Poe does literally NOTHING in TLJ.

[@umbrellacorporation9168]

Or not have that part in the movie and just focus with other characters or more lore

[@25Patman]

China owns most of hollywood now. Now you know why.

[@visionist7]

25Patman thank fuck it's a complete flop in China

[@potentpotables5468]

Ronen Salathe That would have been great.

[@thelonewolfCub]

making rose a kind of usefull caracter makes to much sense, thats NOT the disney way. lets just make a halfassed taged on wannabe lovestory, because THATS progressive.

[@shrizor]

Are you kidding me? I have watched half a dozen, bitter reviews with more salt than Hoth 2.0. You are the first I've seen to actually put forth simple, elegant solution to most of what was wrong with TLJ. Subbed.

[@wyattflint8856]

It is not a reviewer's job to put forth a solution beyond "You should have hired a better writer"

[@bennsvenn]

He does come come up with some nice solutions, but reviewing doesn’t and probably shouldn’t have to actually involve rewriting or reimagining the story. But simply assess what you see because that is the story put forward for critique.

[@LTDLetsPlays]

thats critic's job

[@itrthho]

JarJar was the worst character in SW universe. Rose: "Hold my beer"

[@mariusweber4990]

3:15 My main problem with the new Star Wars trilogy is that there is no silver lining (for me at least). I don't care about any of the new characters, i don't care what they are going to do and weaker rebels vs. weaker imperium with a crybaby leader is not a conflict that's going to keep me interested. Every element i cared about in Star Wars is gone, and with 1 movie per year planned Star Wars is basically Transformers for me now. Random action movies with no point.

[@forestelfranger]

Yeah the bad guys are just not a real threat. Like this movie made it seem more like the cause of the new republic's troubles was due to their own lack of brains or anyone with tactical skill. That and Klyo who is meant to be the big bad as far as we know is still the same power level while Rey has only gotten stronger. Making him seem like a lack of any true threat, given his only victories have been against people who can't defend theirselves. Out side of Finn i should add.

[@arichutfles]

This trilogy should have been cementing the Skywalker story. It should have been Luke rebuilding the Jedi order and the Imperial Remnant (who take the name "The First Order") trying to kill it off again, not that they already did. That way you don't invalidate the previous two trilogies. Then, in the next trilogy you can do the "anybody can be a Jedi" story. Set it a thousand years after the OT or in an alternate universe. But Carrie Fisher is dead and they'll probably never get Harrison Ford to do another movie so the opportunity do a proper sequel to the OT is gone. I no longer care about ep9 or anything else Disney is doing with Star Wars.

[@w00dyblack]

yeah, for the first time - Im not looking forward to any future starwars movies.

[@solidraven6986]

w00dyblack ditto

[@samaustin9882]

Tony F same , like I didn't love the force awakens but I enjoyed it enough and it was a good setup for episode 8 , the problem is they made episode 8 absolute shit and didn't follow up on / ruined all of the cool stuff that the force awakens brought up

[@sergeantarchdornan6244]

Snoke: Built up to be the big bad guy. 2nd scene of Snoke being in it. *DEAD*

[@darkthorpocomicknight7891]

Snoke is neutral. Would he be a good villain? I don't know - people are split. It doesn't make TLJ bad. Also Snoke was in SEVERAL scenes in TFA. Adding all scenes in TFA plus TLJ we get five or six scenes not two. Finally Snoke's death just mirrors Palps. Luke Skywalker: Your overconfidence is your weakness. Now here's Snoke: Snoke : You think you can turn him. Pathetic child. I cannot be betrayed. I cannot be beaten. Sounds overconfident to me.

[@Leg3nd-27]

“...It’s not by killing, it’s by saving the ones we love... “ *Everyone they love dies to a giant death laser literally 5 seconds later*

[@mgvillanmp478]

Dude this movie was a huge disappointment

[@maggiemoo9006]

M.G.Villan not reylo

[@mgvillanmp478]

shancake and bear yea even crylo

[@marcusdecmer]

it was a gut punch

[@one7decimal2eight]

Rey is what happens when you play a video game and set it to the very easy difficulty and use a game genie.

[@vitreo7209]

lets just skip over the major plotholes and the fact that this movie made the previous one irrelevant.

[@julianwells4055]

The Last Jedi treated the previous 7 as if they were all irrelevant.

[@sorakeyblademaster2890]

You can thank the director for TLJ for that.

[@hk-47droid64]

Rian “kill off everything interesting” Johnson.

[@Briansgate]

If Rose and Fin just stay on the ship, then the rebels would have made it to the base with hundreds not killed.

[@DannyEastes]

which is really weird, considering the rebel ship was literally within visual range of the fleet. anyone could have looked out of a window and seen the transports escaping, but because they were off sensors they were somehow literally invisible?!

[@tyrranos9688]

Yep. Clumsiest writing I have seen in a long time.

[@angrydwarfofdoom]

Bakes 13 Yes!!! Why was it ok for her to withhold vital information from senior officers just because the plot demanded it. The Last Jedi requires major plot holes and logical inconsistencies to advance the story and I can’t fathom why critics looked the other way. This is not a bad movie but it has too many flaws to make sense and it doesn’t deserve the critical acclaim. If this had a 60% on rotten tomatoes, I’d be less whiny.

[@FirstnameLastname-do1px]

The prequals are legitimently better than this new trilogy.

[@funguy1453]

Caleb Carrigan agreed

[@tyrranos9688]

They are, but they are still terrible themselves.

[@thebatman8815]

Caleb Carrigan Um... I think need to watch the prequels again before you make another irrational comment like that.

[@FirstnameLastname-do1px]

Batman Dawn Of Justice Irrational? Explain why, please. Sure, they definitely have they're problems, but at least the prequals didn't take a massive shit on every thing about the star wars name and threw it out the window.

[@thebatman8815]

Caleb Carrigan The prequels didn't take a shit on everything great about about Star Wars? Yeah, it's not like they turned Darth Vader (one of the most beloved movie characters of all time) into a whiny little brat who creeps on women. It's not like they turned the force (which used to be a mysterious and epic power) into a bunch of microscopic organisms that live on your body. It's not like they turned Yoda from a wise and interesting character to a boring cgi flipping mess. It's not like they made the Jedi a weird, boring priest like organization that was doomed to fail. It's not like they made lightsaber fights overly choreographed dances that never felt real. Oh wait, the prequels did do all of that, and so much more. I did not like The Last Jedi at all, but Leia flying through space and Rose as a character are NO WHERE NEAR AS BAD as what the prequels did to Star Wars. And The Force Awakens was a decent return to form, providing the great new character of Kylo Ren and giving Han a fitting death.

[@lithium2060]

I really like how they made Rose look like what would happen if Panda Express fucked Wendy's.

[@expat74]

I was bothered by the length of Laura Derns neck

[@nicholasmallard2926]

She should have been in Jurassic World 2 instead! She could have been one of the plant eaters!

[@krumplethemal8831]

Shes prepping for the part as ET in the new ET reboot.

[@Shoulderpads-mcgee]

I think her dress and hair length made quick the long neck illusion. She doesn't look like that in her other movies???

[@FerociousPaul]

I agree

[@letsbehonest7380]

I think jar jar binks needs to come back as a sith lord and kill off all the new characters

[@LR_Bushido]

I think he's dead unless Disney fucked up the canon even more

[@masterchief3007]

I hate how she’s just a wannabe hero who does nothing but still gets to be a glorified hero. She’s like a plumber. Why does she get to pilot the ship at the end? Why do they take her on the casino mission? She should be an extra unless she’s going to contribute something.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

Abrams is going to give us such a generic movie for episode 9. Rey kills Kylo and the FO are destroyed in a space battle probably involving a FO super weapon the end.

[@MrOnomatopoiea]

As in an unfinished Starkiller Base that destroys an entire galaxy?

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

MrOmegaBeams yep. They have to fly through the core of the planet as it blows up and collapses around them.

[@micman963]

I don't think she will kill Kylo. Obiwan didn't kill Anakin and Luke didn't kill Vader, so I doubt Rey who is shown to be more of a white knight than even Luke was will end up killing Kylo. I personally hope Kylo die but if he does that means Rey actually fails at something in life for once, but also there's the fact Kylo will be the last Skywalker and I doubt disney has the balls to kill off the Skywalker bloodline.

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

micman963 there's only so many places to take it. Either Rey kills him, turns him (and lives) or turns him (and he dies a la Vader). Of course Snoke is dead so he can't die the same way that Vader did. Unless Snoke isn't really dead. Either way I don't particularly care tbh.

[@Brandon-vy5kv]

People say TFA was a copy of IV but it was still good and people loved it when it first came out. JJ is a big fan of star wars so I know he wants to prove himself with episode 9 but tbh I think you’re right not because he isn’t good but because the reaction to the last Jedi. Disney is definitely wondering if they made the right choice with this movie. They might feel like they have to do something more generic and less risky to keep the Star Wars is dead narrative away. Hopefully jj can fix some of the stupid shit in last Jedi with the next movie

[@deputyed2190]

Why rose doesn't work:Because she exists.

[@ChurchoftheLatterDayShrek]

I just want jar jar Binks back in star wars again.

[@sokka44]

Church of the Latter Day Shrek 😂😂😂😂

[@tgoodfella]

her character was pointless and irrelevant

[@BrokTheLoneWolf]

tgood fella and cringe

[@ThierryRocksTV]

I'm starting to miss Jar Jar now lmao

[@luiszelaya8698]

True she usless movie

[@fartwaydrive4013]

What if plasma killed rose that would’ve been cool and made her actually do something

[@malbowz1257]

But if you did that then all of the Asians would be upset, so you can't piss off the Asians. If you killed Fin there would be street riots. Poe will come out of the closet in the next movie so he is safe from death. And of course you can't kill Rey because she's a girl and we need girls to buy more toys and feel more "empowered".

[@fartwaydrive4013]

malbowz 125 wow I didn’t think of that oh no I swear m no feminist

[@malbowz1257]

No dude, I was being sarcastic. I'm with you. I wanted to see Rose die too if nothing more than to stick it to political correctness.

[@dawsonrudis4642]

Nope, Phasma has to die like a bitch just how Boba Fett did.

[@MenagerieOfMadness501]

Dawson Rudis I hate what they’re doing with Phasma. She had so much more potential. Like Boba Fett

[@omgwtfbbqstfu]

Nothing can be saved because none of the characters are redeemable, not based on their character arch, I just don't care if they live or die, there is no reason given other than that they are the supposed "good guys".

[@MrTHEMONEEMAKER]

Yea then mark hamill as himself comes in riding a dinosaur, kills everybody with a rainbow lightsaber gives the middle finger to the screen and says may the force FUCK YOU

[@Tyrantlizardking105]

I couldn't give two shits about Rey's journey, especially since she is a confirmed nobody. We already knew in canon that anyone can be force sensitive. But I digress, she is so uninteresting and now has no real training and lacks a master. She has not improved in lightsaber combat or become any more "in tune" with the force. But she's gonna lift triple what we've seen Luke lift with no struggle because "oh wow shes stronk with the force" Fuck off. Also who cares about Finn, only entertaining one is Poe because he's kinda funny and cool.

[@year111]

Now thats better reveal then anything the film has to offer.

[@rlelinney4646]

The problem I see with Rose, is the fact the series began with a 3 person power trio, and now a fourth lead is squeezing in. Potentially pushing Poe out, Poe is now an idiot.

[@DarthEUC]

Rose is the reason Luke died.

[@billgates9778]

mskitconsulting oh my god you’re right! If she didn’t stop Finn, he would’ve crashed and destroyed the laser, then Luke wouldn’t have had to die for the resistance!

[@MedskiPurnamski]

You have some interesting ideas on how Rose's character arc should be. My version if anyone care to read: - Rose and Finn's opposing views should be the point of why they're paired together. Rose come from a long line of rebel fighters who would put down their lives to the cause, as with her sister. Finn on the other hand had enough of fanaticism and while he care about others he's driven mostly by self preservation. - Yes, Rose should be the hacker. But in order to disable the tracking device first she need to get the access code on the casino planet so they can sneak into Snoke's ship and disable it from there. Finn grudgingly agreed to come along because he still wants Rey to live. There Rose told her about her background and the reason why the rebel cause means something very important to her and her family. - The code is in the possession of a bigwig businessman (Del Toro) who only agreed to give them the code at gunpoint. Rose hacked into the bigwig's files and found the shady business side of how the resistance got their ordnance. Her ideals shattered. Both sides seem to help these rich, fat a-holes profit from war. Her sister's sacrifice seem trivial now. - Finn empathizes with this, and watching child slavery on the casino planet stir him inside because he was basically a child soldier and former slave of The First Order. His resolution changes to really want to help the rebellion. - They managed to sneak inside Snoke's ship. But they got caught because Rose had second thoughts about disabling the tracking device. If the rebellion is destroyed at least the war ends, right? No more seemingly needless sacrifices to be made. - As they are about to meet their end, Finn gave a touching speech to his former stormtrooper comrades. "Hey, my name in Finn. Get that? I HAVE A NAME NOW! You can have names too! I never betrayed you guys, i just don't want to live my whole life as a number!" This moved some of the Stormtroopers and they decided to free Finn and flee to the rebel side. Phasma got in the way, of course, but after a few blows she got trapped in the garbage chute. Again. - As they flee to Crait, Finn told Rose her sister's death was not in vain and he thinks that above all else she would want Rose to live. She feels a little better after that. - On the last standoff with the cannon, Finn knew he had to make a sacrifice. Then, Rose saved him in the nick of time. Finn asked why did she do that? She said she don't know, she knew that it's rather selfish of her but after spending time with Finn her gut feelings tell her that living for the cause is as equally important as dying for it. No awkward kiss. Just then, Rey shows up with the Millennium Falcon giving them the clear to go back to base. - So the takeaway is that being utterly selfless and being utterly selfish are both wrong. They both learn that lesson on their whole trip and back.

[@nerychristian]

Meda Purnama I love it. The only thing I would change is the last part. I think it would be better if Finn dies while trying to destroy the cannon. And then have Rose change her mind about war, and she decides to continue fighting in order to honor her sister and Finn's sacrifice.

[@MedskiPurnamski]

Chris Cerna But wouldn't that make her character go back to square one? Also Finn getting killed would be quite disappointing. I personally prefer that she should be the one who wants to crash herself to the cannon partly out of guilt for screwing up the infiltration mission and Finn is the one who saves her, because it makes more sense. He was the selfish one but he ends up saving someone who he grew to care a lot. She was the self sacrifing one but in the end she decides to choose life over death. You know who needed to die though? Poe.

[@nerychristian]

Meda Purnama Maybe. I think one of the main characters should have died. So there will be more tension in the movie.

[@MedskiPurnamski]

Chris Cerna of all the main characters in the movie, Poe makes the most sense to die because he made so many costly mistakes in this movie that no sane admiral should have let him be the one who leads what remains of the rebellion forward. It would be better off for him to be the one who crash the ship to Snoke's vessel as his redemption instead of Holdo. After all according to JJ Abrams he shouldn't have lived through The Force Awakens anyway. And they could still give him an out to appear in Episode 9, just start the movie as a rescue attempt to get Poe out from a First Order gulag where he was captured after miraculously surviving the crash, a throwback to Return of The Jedi.

[@SmokeymcJoint420]

That would be fine and dandy, except that Rose was created for nothing more than to appeal to the SJWs and the Chinese market.

[@Rosemary-hw7lw]

I like Rose but I don't like her with Finn. They had no chemistry. Finn showed no interest in Rose at all. He always talked about Rey. Look at how he ran to meet Rey, they were so happy to see each other. Finn and Rey belong together, they have great chemistry and it feels natural not forced.

[@drakor98]

Rosemary Do I smell a love triangle forming?

[@Rosemary-hw7lw]

I hope not. I hate love triangles. It makes more sense for Rose to be with Poe. Both of them are all about the rebellion ,which makes them perfect for each other.

[@drakor98]

Ah, fool. Don't you know? Every *proper* story needs a Love Triangle. This is writing 101. Duh.

[@Longshanks1690]

Drakorphobia And a Liar Revealed, of course.

[@Rosemary-hw7lw]

I don't care about writing 101. A good story has characters that are able to be mature and express their genuine feelings for the one they love. Love triangles are immature and they treat the audience like they are simpletons who are waiting on the edge of their seat trying to guess who he will pick. Romance in a movie only works if it is done intelligently.

[@ericeyerman6285]

I think that it was the writing. Star Wars The first three were not just action but it also had character building. Characters grew on the screen. Two the First Three move Luke's power grew with him and it was epic.

[@bradebronson8835]

Not the writing, Producers and Director.

[@MichaelAarons1701]

My problems with Rose, aside from her initial embarrassing weeaboo screamer-esque moment meeting Finn, is that her crashing into Finn is not just dumb and damn near counterproductive to what she's trying but means the whole action scene with the speeders was a waste of time and the pilots who died could have lived if everyone just sat and waited it out for Luke and Rey. If she had just bumped his speeder out of the way so hers could go in but she was clever enough to abandon it so only the speeder was lost but the cannon was still unaffected, then the scene would have some reason to exist, the pilots wouldn't have been lost in vain, and her point could be better made since Finn was simply too dumb to at least jump out while trying to send his speeder into the cannon not because he was dumb for trying to be a noble hero. Also, Rose was the one who was going to take out the tracker. The hacker was just to get her in the security door to do so thus I don't think making her also the code breaker would have been that great an idea.

[@pleaserewind295]

So his character is there to open a door?Yeah, I think we can just cut that and stick with my idea.

[@MichaelAarons1701]

It's no different than Bilbo's role of just being the guy to sneak in to grab the Arken Stone and leave while all the Dwarves figure everything else out afterward... :-\ Frankly, I think the plot should have been about Finn and Poe going on a recon mission to see what the First Order was doing to recoup from just having a major setback with the loss of Starkiller Base, Finn would have started during the rescue of Rey this spark of Stormtroopers realizing they could shed their armor and defect like him which grows more and more until Episode IX where whole Star Destroyers are turning on their fleets and flying the Rebel flag. While they learn about the First Order and their weapons and resource dealings, they learn too late that the Resistance is being attacked but ultimately Leia sends everyone off to Crait while she plows the enemy flagship like Holdo. Rey accepts Kylo's offer thinking she could actually fix the First Order and use its might and structure to reattempt to form the decimated New Republic (a Galactic Mulligan if you will) only to find out by IX that Kylo has been corrupting her into a fascist meaning he's broken her and not her fixing him. Maybe Finn could die trying to get through to her and she kills Kylo who is beyond redemption but Ghost Luke keeps her from fully turning now that she's killed in anger rather than vanquished in righteousness. But we're 2 films in and this train is wrecked now.

[@pleaserewind295]

Bilbo is the lead character in the story, that's the difference. All of these ideas sound better than what we got in TLJ.

[@AlliWalker]

The porgs had more of a purpose than Rose. You can at least eat Porgs.

[@MichaelNNY]

Also, Finn and Rose are dead. DEAD. They crashed right in front of the line of walkers. Theres no way they werent captured and killed. Or at least captured and tossed in a cell forever.

[@RealllyGoodGaming]

Replace Rose with Poe, have Rose stay on the ship and be comic relief with C3PO. Also get rid of her bangs, it’s 2018 no more bangs geez

[@luda140]

3018* is even better lol

[@crackheadspeedway6788]

Really Good Gaming YASSSS

[@winja2109]

Rian Johnson said on the Slash Flimcast (maybe somewhere else too, idk) that the very first draft of The Last Jedi had Poe and Finn going together to Canto Bight. He then continued to say that the first draft was bad because Poe and Finn had not way to have play off each other interestingly since there'd be no tension. Personally, I still feel like Rian could have came up with something better than Rose though.

[@RealllyGoodGaming]

winja2109 It would have been a perfect opportunity for Poe and Finn to continue their bromance! Also give more backstory about them, where’s Poe from? Why did he want to become a pilot. What about Finn; he has one of the most interesting backstories. Stolen as a child to become a first order trooper! In the first draft, there was mention of Finn being recognized by some first order soldiers, saying “FN-2187 right? Never pictured you as officer material.” The draft goes on to say that the troopers pick fun at Finn but it’s all in good humor in order to show that not all the troopers are bad. This already sounds much better than half the resistance dying because Finn and Rose parked on a public beach.

[@MP197742]

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ... everyone wore bangs!

[@lastspartan15]

"Two and a half hours of fake outs" really sums it up. I came out of the movie liking it, aside from the length, but the more I think about the plot and how much better it could've been.. They missed an opportunity to do something really great. Rose felt pointless, the casino scene was boring. Some of the decisions the characters made were just baffling. The only moments that stood out were Kylo Ren's. I dunno, hopefully the next one will be better.

[@trequor]

MIYA This movie is frustrating because I can see the bits and pieces of a great movie poking out from under all the useless shit that was tacked onto it.

[@covathetech]

Wow...In 30mins you proved how much creativity this movie lacked. Impressive

[@Brandon-vy5kv]

C_Ova and he was only talking about things that includes rose not all the other stuff

[@pyromania666]

I guess Disney is not ready for a possible multiracial gay romance story, so they force us this shenanigans? Lolz.

[@deadseamonster]

You hit the nail on the head. The poor execution, particularly the editing IMO, made this movie boring, confusing, and therefore not really enjoyable. If people had actually had a good time during the film, they would've accepted some of the things they're mad about.

[@trequor]

Poor editing was a plague on this movie. The way it would cut away from one scene to show something entirely pointless, and then essentially cut back to the same scene drove me mental. It's why i cant forgive the excessive runtime

[@ddacoe0]

I really enjoyed this movie. BUT, I think you nailed it with your observation about how the original trilogy had a narrower focus on just a few main characters. It allowed for a more emotional attachment to them.

[@MIDMAN.]

Lil pump shoulda played Snoke

[@dwightlewis3519]

AlphaBlackAce ESKETIT

[@DoggBluesOfficial]

I agree, they should have had Smokepurpp as Kylo Ren or maybe some other florida soundcloudrapper like XXXTentacion.

[@Peluge10]

Lil Chigga X would've made a good Porg