Why Roy Williams' coaching style no longer fit at UNC due to changes in college basketball | KJZ

Why Roy Williams' coaching style no longer fit at UNC due to changes in college basketball | KJZ
Seth Greenberg discusses how UNC's Roy Williams' coaching style no longer fits with the changes in college basketball.
0:00 Seth Greenberg blames the changes in college basketball for Roy Williams' retirement.
2:25 Alan Hahn reflects on Roy Williams' storied career.
4:00 Seth Greenberg and Jay Williams hammer down on how hard it is to keep college basketball players on a team, thus making coaching more difficult.
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[@F110mech]

From a 30 year Duke fan...Roy was a "gosh darn" great coach, a legend actually! Its sad to see him hang it up.

[@WildwoodClaire1]

I suspect that Coach K may follow soon if he has to endure another season like 2020-21. End of an era, and it seems that the Tar Heels and Blue Devils' ebb tide has lowered all ACC boats.

[@F110mech]

@@WildwoodClaire1 K will certainly hang it up it up soon. The man is only 74 years old... but this is about Roy.

[@F110mech]

@@scottworley1479 That's great man. I hope you and your family have a great weekend! Cheers.

[@scottworley1479]

@@F110mech well I hope the same for you and your family as well

[@gilcruz7869]

@@F110mech get off this if your a duke fan,we don't GAF ABOUT DUKE OR COACH K SO GTFOH & OFF NC STUFF GO LOOK AT DUKE S@$T

[@StankoD1P]

Coming from a Duke fan, he a legend 💯💪🏻

[@joshuahollar9880]

Thank you from a tarheel. Coach K is a legend as well!

[@someone4029]

2 titans feeling the pain that one and done has brig brought to the sport

[@juliusrai1962]

@@someone4029 it’s ruined college Basketball overall tbh

[@jeffboy13]

I think K is about done also. Too old to deal with the bs

[@grandfresh9196]

He's a winner..

[@aeloious7590]

He just won a title in 2017, this is such a terrible take

[@JohnsonSaUceZach]

They were a 1 seed in the last NCAA tournament in 2019

[@corbanstrother2179]

@@JohnsonSaUceZach no they weren’t

[@JohnsonSaUceZach]

@@corbanstrother2179 The last NCAA tournament in 2019

[@PlasticBag4Status]

Roy is tired, man. Just look at pics of him from around 2017 and compare with how he looks these days. It looks like the last couple of years took a lot out of him. And with the rapidly changing culture and mindset of today's recruits, he realizes that it's only going to get harder. And he needs a consistent roster to produce consistent results as a coach. He has no confidence in that a couple of seasons from now (when people expected him to actually retire) he'll be able to hand off a team any better than the current one to the next coach.

[@selfishstockton6123]

You should always go out on top

[@justwalking4354]

Started as the Coach at Owen HS in Black Mountain NC , from Marion NC ,Roy is North Carolina ........... He's coming back to Western Carolina to hopefully chill and play some golf

[@sebastianlajos866]

He literally won the tournament a few years ago...

[@juliusrai1962]

It’s changed so much since then bro still

[@johndeer7869]

Basketball has changed a lot in the past couple of years

[@cameronlofton2222]

BS😂😂😂 The only DIFFERENCE is players and their character. Roy's system is brilliant. Its NOT FOR YOUNGER KIDS. But it works. If kids stayed in school 3 yrs on average, Roy would be in the FF every 5 yrs GUARANTEED.

[@montrealflo3922]

You realize the game is constantly changing? Lol

[@jeffboy13]

@@cameronlofton2222 05 07 08 09 11 12. 6 outta 8 isn't bad

[@sadeaton]

I think we can go another step from the headline and say changes in college basketball are no longer a fit for fans either.

[@countd5955]

The college game is being ruined by the NBA.

[@sadeaton]

@@countd5955 Yes, and we can't give a break to the AAU Leagues either, they may actually be the source of the cancer.

[@mrdottle8581]

Agree 100%

[@LonnieLBrown]

@@countd5955 I think the NCAA needs to reevaluate the way it's run. If you want to skip school and enter the draft so be it. And if you decide you want to attend school, you have to stay at least two years at the most.

[@alcoballic9593]

@@countd5955 How is the NBA ruining college basketball? More like the NCAA is ruining college basketball.

[@luciuswest]

Being a Duke fan Roy Williams is on my list of great coaches

[@jwtraining1]

Thanks much respect, i also respect coach K

[@jwtraining1]

Thanks much respect, i also respect coach K

[@gilcruz7869]

Not me I hate Duke & coach k , I'm just keeping it real brother...

[@sidviscous5959]

@@gilcruz7869 Roy knew about the academic cheating at UNC; Dean Smith knew too . . . so there's that . . .

[@jeffboy13]

@@sidviscous5959 cheating as in offering the same classes to the whole student body,

[@jonathanjohnson7616]

I can understand how it's hard for coaches to develop players when they are one and done. Some not all have the attitude I'm here to get mine and go pro.

[@scottworley1479]

Yep, and not all but a few are even over rated imo

[@greer15]

This duke dad (and former baller) has great respect for coach. Have a great and healthy retirement.

[@Joshua-ev9uw]

So ymca rec player that impregnated a girl and is a bandwagon fan. Gotcha

[@andycpanda]

The kid is not the same athlete anymore They are not the Coachable kid he was probably used to Coaching anymore These kids feel above and beyond the Program and Coach today

[@kensummerlin180]

Hammer hits nail

[@jeffboy13]

Exactly. Don't wanna work for anything. Then go pro after a year and more than 90 % are trash for 4 or 5 years

[@voltrondefofunv5708]

Gents very true but why do u all think that is cause im the type i wouldn't even want to manage kids some are good workers but in general naw no way not even coaching Bob Knight seen he couldnt coach kids any more as well and maybe its social media but was the transfer portal like this i dont remember?

[@jlnolan1]

Participation trophies, helicopter parents, social media, devaluation of education, "OK boomer" mentality has to make it hard for someone Williams' age to connect and coach nowadays. Congrats to him on his successes, now he can chill and live like royalty in Chapel Hill.

[@berinmind]

They are not kids they are young men. Hence the problem.

[@Supercilious-ok8ic]

I have alot of Respect for Roy Williams. As a Coach and a Great Person. He did Coach for 33 years. Times Change and the Business of College basketball Change. Players will follow the Business.

[@mortal1501]

Very well points made

[@aggiepride982]

Saw the writing on the Wall he knew he would never have a great player past 2 years with the new rules.

[@cpomp99]

exactly. that was the main thing. 3 PGs in 3 years. Constantly retooling the roster. He saw the writing.

[@aggiepride982]

@@cpomp99 Kessler leaving might have been the tipping point these new players feel entitled

[@cpomp99]

@@aggiepride982 probably right. how he could see his shot on tape and feel like he should be able to shoot more 3s is beyond me. But as you said...it's the entitlement that said I should be able to do it anyway.

[@DanO12345]

True Legend. Great Man.

[@dabneyoffermein595]

and he put up with Tyler Hansborough , give him a ring just for that.

[@tmoore4140]

Duke fan here. Roy W was one of the best that ever did it. Nothing but respect and honestly i think Mike is finishing up soon after this.

[@TheBlackRickGrimes]

Same here and so much respect for him!

[@TheWakeup011]

I think so too. Salute to both men.

[@curtismcneil8695]

I mean when I herd Roy Williams was retiring my first thought was pretty much exactly what Seth was saying. The College game right now is absolutely horrible. These young players today can't handle adversity or being Coached. They've been told how great they are playing AAU. Everybody wants to start and get 30 plus minutes. I watched one game this whole season and that was the Semifinal game between Gonzaga and UCLA. The game was just better 15,20,25, 30 plus years ago.

[@dainminor5815]

Respect for coach for the 3 titles brought to UNC. Even more respect for coach for stepping away from a position in which he was no longer a fit and leading them into mediocrity until he retired.

[@brandon87ize]

Seth Greenberg hit the nail on the head. What he said is exactly right! College basketball is different.

[@zanthonyhill8818]

Probably means the kids today are "woke". You try to push a student to work harder to become better,they get offended and want to run off to their "safe space".

[@brandon87ize]

Yeah kids now days are different. Just a different time and things have to be handled with care as before it was suck it up buttercup. Those days are past now you have to babysit adults.

[@letstalkfortnite8983]

Wow! He was truly legendary coach. One of last old school style coaches left. Does anyone know what coach coached the longest in the NCCA, I’ve always been curious about that?

[@scottworley1479]

Jim Boeheim, Syracuse. He's still coaching

[@letstalkfortnite8983]

@@scottworley1479 alright howl long has he been there ?

[@scottworley1479]

@@letstalkfortnite8983 not sure, you can Google it

[@letstalkfortnite8983]

@@scottworley1479 alright , thanks for telling me though 😀

[@joshuahollar9880]

Well said guys

[@cattigereyes1]

The odd style being fast but as Dean Smith knew it’s how you use the talent available! I saw the master of chess use his players to win down games like a master of the game! I am grateful for the experience! Dean Smith was a human chess master of basketball!

[@power2491]

THE MASTER AND THE APPRENTICE, IS THE NAME'S ON THE DEAN DOME PAL! THE DEAN OF ALL COACHES, AND OL ROY!

[@Joshua-ev9uw]

This isn't about Dean Smith...

[@scottworley1479]

@@Joshua-ev9uw it goes back to Dean Smith, Dean smith will always be mentioned with Roy Williams and Carolina basketball. It's not about Mike krushewski.

[@setheheart4911]

Real talk in this video

[@leonbrown1457]

Life is adapting to change

[@villiano1]

You're all missing the point. What does the "college" in "college" basketball mean, hmmm? It should mean you're a college student who happens to play basketball. It should mean that hopefully, in 4 years you'll graduate with a degree. But in the past 40 years, it's become a developmental league for the NBA. Now, today, it's just a joke really. The top teams are all chasing these NBA prospects who are guaranteed to leave after 1 year. Those kids, the ones that are that good coming out of high school should be able to go straight to the NBA, leaving more room at the college level for the college basketball athlete.

[@PhilCherry3]

Vincent, I agree with you & this is coming from a Tarheel! The problem the modern college game faces is the kids today are fully aware they have a small opening through which only a handful can squeeze to get to life-changing riches at the professional level. Since these kids arrive at D1 universities already having been professionalized by the 10th grade, they are much less willing to accept being buried on a bench by any coach "who knows better than they do" about the true level of skills they possess. The kid may be right (Dr. J, LeBron, Kobe, Garnett) or the kid may be wrong (fill in the blank-there are so many); but in today's world it is the kid's choice to set his fate-not the coach's choice to determine who makes it and who is buried in basketball obscurity. I love Roy Williams and what he's done for the university. But he, Coach K, Calipairi & other old school coaches will not fair well in this environment where the power dynamic has switch from coach-as-god to informed-player-operating-under-complete-free-will. Unfortunately money or the potential loss of money has raised the stakes too high for the kid to allow the coach to decide his fate. For the college game, IMHO, the game must return to true student athlete. Let the professionalized youth go to a development league or straight to the NBA if they're good enough to do so.

[@ken71671]

I dont understand why the NBA doesnt use the D league to take these one and done type players. They would be able to work on their game with nba lvl coaches while making money. Unlike college that has limits on how much time a coach can train players. Working with nba scouts and coaches, they would have a better understanding of how each player would fit in the draft.

[@johncooper2265]

The solution is so simple. But it won't be popular. At least not initially. Step 1, Yo NCAA, ... stop letting the NBA bend you over with their "19 years old & 1 year removed from High School" rule (aka "1 & Done"). How that rule wasever implemented to begin with is asinine, since it borders on being UNCONSTITUTIONAL! But, regardless of whether the NBA is willing to eliminate the rule and allow HS kids to jump straight to the NBA or not is still easily fixed... by Step 2. Step 2 is ... ELIMINATE FRESHMAN ELIGIBILITY! College players can no longer play VARSITY hoops until they're SOPHOMORES and are in GOOD ACADEMIC STANDING! IF this gets paired up with the NBA allowing kids to go directly to the NBA straight out of HS, then it really forces the NBA to stop using the NCAA as its FREE "Minor League". The NBA's G-League will have to expand, and kids and their families will have to look at colleges a lot differently when their kids are balling in HS and summer leagues 24/7. Cause IF your kid isn't surefire NBA superstar material, then "Whoa! Maybe this college route isn't so bad after all!" How we ever got to the point of families and their kids devaluing a FREE college education is beyond sad. Not just for sports, but for life in general.

[@scottworley1479]

I agree, then college basketball will get back to normal and those hidden gems will be able to be seen better also. It's so frustrating. The blue bloods are really hurting. Not sure what's going on in chapel hill. Losing Kessler ,Brooks and Manley to the transfer portal. Wtw Man? Why are these kids wanting to leave a program like Carolina?? Now we 're having to replace them with other teams bench. UNC has always had recruiting power except now it seems guys just wanting to leave. Kessler would have had the reigns in Carolina next year. Just wish I knew the reason

[@t2_o996]

@@ken71671 they do they just allowed it this season and they r paying the players more ppl will start doing that

[@DomGabana103]

Kids in college these days are rentals basically they go to the big schools because they are forced to play 1 year then leave

[@07rayrod]

Their not “forced” they can stay if they want

[@bryanwood8334]

Yes and it should be required that they stay at least 2 years. Look how many go undrafted or never make it in the NBA. All because they are not ready

[@terryblair3375]

The one and done rule and college kids can enter the porter, has ruined college basketball as we know it. I remembered I was able to name plenty of players back in days. That's when college kids stayed 3 or 4 years in college. There was dynasties like Duke, NC, etc. Now college kids can leave anytime they want. I'm a Kansas Jayhawks fan. We lost 4 players this year to the new transfer rule. The game is not the same. It's all business now 😪

[@Joshua-ev9uw]

That's why you should recruit players to stick around or change and adapt into a program that works well with one and dones. Unc is now a has been. They have been for the last two years. Roy just jumped off the ship early to try to save face

[@zacturf-n-sports6203]

Nobody is forced to do anything. Players do what they want now.

[@adamnelson2248]

I understand the “fight through adversity” mindset, but these kids want to play and would rather not sit around for waiting one or two years. Johnny Juzang of UCLA hardly played at Kentucky now he’s the face of a final four team. Cant always blame the kids, coaches should evolve and embrace change.

[@F110mech]

I'm sure its tough to adapt to. You can't play 15 kids at once or even give them equal minutes. It's just not feasible, plus some of these kids don't really find their game at this level for a year of two. I'm sorry but AAU, transfer portals, self-entitlement and the developmental league have all collectively ruined college BB.

[@PlasticBag4Status]

@@F110mech Leonard Hamilton has been pretty successful at playing a big rotation of players who still manage to achieve great production individually. Though, his recruits aren't as hyped as Calipari's, so he probably deals with less entitlement.

[@camm8642]

well every situation is different but we live in instant gratification era......for every johnny juzang story there is one or more they don't go nearly as well.

[@Antygrvity69]

@@F110mech : Very simple, stop recruiting the hyped 4 - 5 star athlete, & @ the same time, recruit players that want to be in college and @ your college / university more than 1 or 2 years. Develop them and you will find consistently and eventually success. That's why more smaller schools are going to start taking over. 3 star athletes coming in are going to be able to compete w/ anyone by their junior years, and all the coaches are going to have to do is replace / replenish and keep developing. Everyone should have choices and just because those choices don' work for you, they shouldn't be taken from someone else.

[@Antygrvity69]

@@scottworley1479: Roy Williams has gone after every 5-Star recruit like all the Big Blue Bloods. He just hasn't been as successful at bringing them in.

[@noitallmanaz]

The problem Roy has is the same problem we have in society. People want what they want without having to earn it. Life becomes all about the straight line toward what you believe you deserve. Failures or obstacles aren't because you are inadequate in any way, but the fault of others who victimize you. Nobody will accept anything that doesn't make them comfortable or happy. We have no patience for growth or a learning curve. So we are a society of entitled victims, who lack knowledge, experience and perspective. Any words of wisdom are cast aside as 'old school'. We ignore facts and factual information that does not fit our beliefs, and that enables us to justify our thoughts about the narrative we create about ourselves. The fact that we look at what people are like and say "well that is how the world is, so you better adapt or get left behind' seems to legitimize attitudes and behaviors that are beyond detrimental to society. But too many have that attitude and are unwilling to 'fight that system'. Things aren't going to go well if we humans continue down this path. Just sayin.

[@willjohnson9709]

Great post

[@Atlas302]

💯

[@corybray7763]

I blame capitalism . It's what's wrong with our society. Especially here in america. Making money and being selfish. Not caring about anything but how much you can gain. That is the problem.

[@89granville]

OMG that is heartbreaking to hear that man say that! He is an outstanding coach and will definitely be missed. I do believe that it is time for Coach K to retire. I have never seen so many guys at once jump ship from such prestigious schools at this rate. I miss the days of college basketball when you know you could see the same guys playing again the next year getting better each year while developing that killer rivalry 😖😔

[@gwashington4029]

the fact that he won a title in 2017 further proves this take. The game doesn't change for winning traits, but the background has changed. Social media, money, AAU etc.....no way to develop

[@JerichoMile4]

Coach Roy Williams 🏀 is a good man‼️

[@douglascarlson9006]

I gotta friend who has attended a few of his clinics - he turned off a lot young players by talking to much about himself - repeatedly said "... if you get MY level"

[@388easymoney5]

@@douglascarlson9006 they all do that. I attended Jim Valvan’s camp back in the 80’s and he showed up twice. Both times to make a commercial and gloat about himself.

[@PETTIGREW1861]

Hubert Davis is going to be a great coach. He's brilliant. I'm a Duke fan and I said years ago that Davis would be the man for the job because his tournament analysis was so precise and accurate.

[@wesanderson7918]

So true

[@mpbassman5339]

This is precisely why I went from being a basketball fanatic fan to not even watching a game

[@billgatesleavingyamomshous8177]

Roy is the 🐐 The definition of what a COACH is in every aspect. I’m a die hard Tar Heel fan since I came out my mama’s womb. Sad day when he retired and he will always be a part of the Great UNC basketball program, the greatest basketball program in History 🐐🐐🐐🐐❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@jingqi9106]

"Either retire or resign cause if you don't, we'll fire you." Gulp

[@carsonc29]

as a ,KU fan, my only regret about Roys time at KU was a lack of titles....that had that 2003 team did a little better at the FT line, Roys may have left KU on a very high note with a championship.

[@TheWakeup011]

I couldn't believe they came out so flat after destroying Marquette. Head scratching loss imo.

[@carsonc29]

@@TheWakeup011 right..they came out and got whooped very early..they made a great comeback..but I often wonder if they even made 50% of their foul shots, they probably would have completed the comeback..they shot 40% from the FT line..I know they werent a great FT team, but they had been in the 60's all season

[@johnl4235]

So, true. Too many options

[@Justcallmallgoat]

It’s deeper than that

[@robsantosuosso1792]

Sad to see him go . Was so happy and relieved when UNC hired him . 3 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS ! Thanks !

[@bryanwood8334]

3 championships I believe

[@markvert5341]

Changes in college basketball, what does they mean, kids are pampered, spoiled and you can coach them like they need to get better. Can’t hurt their feelings, you are the only one who asks them to work hard to get better. When you take them out of their comfort zone they and their parents whine and leave

[@jpscales3193]

Coach, teaching & education is in the same issue.... “true teachers” are faced with this like coach Williams, well said.

[@professorfrink6831]

When health is an issue, I have zero anger that he's no longer the coach at UNC. As long as the next coach has a similar philosophy, I'm good. We better be rebounding, we better be running and we better be transitioning from defense to offense. Stay healthy Roy, we have you in our prayers and you'll always be inside our souls forever and ever.

[@SportsSpeak73]

Yes One & done has hurt college basketball, but IMO the evolution of the G-league has hurt it far more. There are guys who never would've left early 15-20 years ago that do so now because they know at worst, they'll play for pay in the g-league. Not to mention how contracts for playing overseas have grown

[@demogog3449]

Roy's first player to leave early for the NBA at Kansas was Paul Pierce in 1998. Then Drew Gooden in 2002. I think that might have been it at Kansas as far as leaving early. We did lose DeShawn Stevenson to the NBA after he signed.

[@alexlaws5269]

Roy (unc as a whole really) coaches a very defensive and fast paced style.

[@mrdottle8581]

And I no longer feel I'm a college basketball fan........with how things are now

[@thedoo777]

your so right commentators

[@mstersm00th35]

💯 Facts new generation has too many options and don't know how to get through adversity.

[@eats4cheaps305]

He couldn't recruit top talent anymore because Roy preached the team and championships. He never preached individual glory and star players laughed him away for it. They never got to experience what players at UNC, Duke, SU, Villanova, Michigan State got to experience.

[@MrGeemony1970]

Roy was one of the greatest coaches in college basketball

[@teddavis6093]

Absolutely. Seth is EXACTLY right.

[@michaelangelo9024]

I was shocked he retired this year. I knew it was maybe 5 years away if that long. Hubert will make all UNC fans forget very soon. The winning will keep coming . Hubert will get Carolina more Title banners for the Smith Center .

[@stevemorinello843]

Class act 100%

[@keithkollmann3240]

Being in my 60's, I saw the evolution of college players over the decades and it is a sad sight: - If a player was going to stay only three years, the timeline was freshman learn the system, sophomore get stronger, junior be the leader, and then you could be considered for the pros. College coaches are not clueless, they knew if you were ready for the NBA. Worthy and Jordan followed this and they turned out OK. - With the one and done, the system still could have been saved if someone like Buffet had stepped in and set up what I call an insurance trust fund, which college players could borrow against so they could stay in school. I was always amazed at the paltry sums that agents could dangle in front of a player. This was very doable but the NCAA was, as Forbes magazine noted, a better cartel than OPEC. - I think the transfer portal will have many freshman at top schools go to lower schools to get a chance to play, and this is where college coaches no longer having sway destroys the system. Coach K or Roy knows if a player has NBA potential, I remember when the Blue and White practice games at UNC were more brutal than the real games, and that is where a coach saw what the players could develop into. - My only hope is to watch a team like NC State and see if they can get better since they usually get the less than 5-star players, that will be the litmus test.

[@mister_bailey]

All greats points. I’ve heard the saying go about romantic relationships: You lose ‘em the same way you get ‘em. I will always side with players having a say in their career choices, but I feel for the truly great coaches who will lose players because they don’t compromise about nothing being given and everything being earned in their programs. If I’m a coach in today’s game, it would stress me out even more trying to figure out how to convince some of them that 2-3 years in my system would get you more pro-ready - and not just getting there for that 1st contract, but to have staying power in the league. Not all these kids are pro-caliber. There’s many who have no business being NEAR an NBA. I’d love to see stats on average career length and player turnover with pro franchise between now and, say 20 years ago. I bet the numbers prove that players aren’t developing no matter how much “upside” they have, and the overall game at all levels is going to suffer for it. IMHO, of course.

[@redpill5241]

LAUGHABLE. Basically anything that benefits players FINACIALLY is bad for the PROGRAM. The only reason Jordan and Worthy did not go pro early in those years it was because of the cultural climate. If you and Seth Greenberg actually believed what you said, then you would have no problem with men (players that are from GENERATIONAL poverty) leaving school to join the WORKFORCE. 1 star and 2 star recruits have the SAME needs as 3, 4, and 5 star recruits. Recruit them!!! You do not have to worry about one and done or transfer portals!! 5 stars are one and done. 4 stars are 2 and done. 3 stars transfer. Issue resolved right? Of course not because 4 and 5 stars are where the money is at!! That's why!!

[@jalemo]

Quite simply the man deserves an awesome retirement! It’s the right time and these knuckleheads can miss him now he’s gone!!!

[@xandercrews4729]

The G league needs to become a more realistic option for the kids who have no interest in college. However, once you’re in college it’s should be a 2 yr commitment before you can go Pro. I think after this year, the Transfer Portal will settle down a bit. The extra yr throws a wrench in a lot of player’s and coach’s plans.

[@brucereynolds2934]

He said he didnt feel like he was the right man for the job. He did not elaborate on what that meant. How about ask the follow up to find out what he meant instead of speculating.

[@jayc6395]

McCants says hello.

[@southbend3406]

Good old NCAA screwing up things again...

[@cliffsauer9111]

As a high school teacher and coach I think they are just seeing what we have been a Eric for years. Kids have no standards in school. Everything is tied to graduation rates so schools just lower the bar and carry kids across . If a kid doesn’t like their coach they switch Aau teams ur high schools.. it’s a tough environment to coach in not because you can’t win but because you don’t get those long lasting relationships and you don’t get the reward of seeing someone evolving as a player and person.

[@GeneralRock114]

It’s not his style, it’s the lack of top five recruiting classes. Same thing at Kentucky and Duke. Just goes to show what happens when those coaches don’t get the top players.

[@markis2012]

Get rid of the one and done rule. The GUY that can go to the NBA from High School will go to the NBA from high school. The guys a tier or two below that will go to college on the free ride or as a walk on and stay 2 or 3 years and develop their game. The coaches will be able to actually coach and teach them the game in depth before they go on to the NBA or graduate and become a professional in another aspect of life.

[@wesleycarter7775]

why is he a legend for the winning ? the players did that. t

[@MrMashman93]

Coaching college basketball now is different you recruit and re recruit like Seth said. Coaching college basketball may be the most difficult job in sports other than playing QB in the NFL.

[@richardshermanjr1899]

I agree. College basketball coaches have to keep a lot of people happy from players, players parents, team boosters athletic director and university presidents. Pro coaches don't have to deal with that many people.

[@MrMashman93]

@@richardshermanjr1899 Do pro coaches even coach now? I think some of the overpaid NBA players wouldn’t listen to them if they did try and coach them.

[@strikeout77777]

I always remember him as a Jayhawks coach.

[@jstephens1193]

Nope True Blue

[@joshuahollar9880]

3 titles in Carolina blue

[@jaydell4039]

He won nothing for Kansas. UNC all day

[@TheSportsandFilmFellowship]

Only on He Got Game

[@strikeout77777]

@@jaydell4039 true bue Paul Pierce disagrees

[@JohnDoe-ho7pd]

Get rid of the "one and dones".

[@mxlglobal110]

Seth is right. These kids don't want to fight through adversity anyway. They are a bit entitled . It's A BUSINESS THAT CAN CHURN YOUR STOMACH ! God bless you coach . A good man who did well , this coming from a Duke fan . Real recognize real.

[@ImTayThaShoota]

💔💔💔

[@Majesticon]

the one thing i'd say and nitpick about UNC's X's and O's under Roy was the 3pt shot. man, he hated that daggum shot. his defense wasn't really predicated on stopping it because he thought of the shot as "fool's gold", well nowadays teams are shooting more 3s than 2s! so it had to be frustrating trying to adjust to that aspect of the game. otherwise, yeah, it's a different landscape off the court too. i don't think player mobility is necessarily bad, but i do understand that lack of time to develop a roster. has to drive some coaches nuts.

[@noitallmanaz]

yeah, you are so much smarter than Roy.

[@Majesticon]

@@noitallmanaz where did I say I was smarter than Roy about this? Just pointing out a fact, he is on record as saying these things about 3's.

[@bjnt92281]

If players are allowed to profit from their own image and likeness then you might see more sticking around for more than 1 year.

[@CaptainCrashDummy]

Sad to see a legend Go but these changes are good for these talented yung adults and puts their future in their hands. If these same changes were made to women’s basketball the talent lvl would increase. 4 yr Structure ain’t for everyone, 1 and done also ain’t for everyone

[@sterlingpless4335]

Had a slew of injuries

[@mattheweven4764]

ESPN's style no longer fits me.

[@bradcarl270]

ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY

[@dreynolds4883]

I think the are kinda over analyzing it. He hung him up at age 70. It happens.

[@charlesfriscia7236]

You can say it..Like many he can't deal with this generation of overgrown babies...One coach said it best..Yesterdays kids are not coming thru that door today so adapt or retire..I couldn't coach todays kids either

[@youngobes]

you know, it'd probably be easier to keep kids in your program if they were getting paid and signed to contracts

[@skip3853]

It goes both ways. Coaches recruit kids and leave them high and dry for new jobs. Now the tables are turned. I understand the coaches issue, but it kind of go both ways...

[@marcomcdowell8861]

They don't like the players choosing their own path but it's cool when coach leaves one program top tier program for another and more money because it's a dream.

[@noitallmanaz]

You are a part of the problem... Coaches don't choose their players paths. They guide, mentor and help players. The issue isn't about coaches being upset about players choosing their paths. They are upset because kids and parents don't accept coaching, mentoring or guidance, and follow the path of least resistance. Players are not victims. Stop propagating that dumb idea.

[@bjnt92281]

@@noitallmanaz Where the line between fighting through adversity and recognizing the writing on the wall and taking control of your career instead of waiting on someone else to do so?

[@gregorylagrange]

Teams need a good coach, but it's the players who ultimately determine if a team wins. If you can recruit, you can win. College ball is suffering from the NCAA's own BS that they've been telling players and the public for years. Some of the restrictions like how a player that signed his letter of intent used to be stuck if the school decided to get rid of the coach that player wanted to play for, are rightfully being going away. Players aren't avoiding working to get better. They do want to avoid the Barry Switzer type BS that he tried with Marcus Dupree. And players should also have the same freedom that other college students have. If they find out that their initial choice wasn't a good fit for them, they should be able to go to another school. The NCAA wants to preach student first when it suits them, and then use contract worker like methods when the student first is an inconvenience. If Roy Williams is truly tired of the business side of college ball, then go on and admit that it was also highly profitable to him for a few decades. School salary and endorsement deals. Their are other avenues opening up that the top players can use to pursue their highest goals. He and Dean Smith were able to consistently get the most highly rated recruits. Maybe they are just no longer seeing North Carolina as the end all be all. Or maybe he feels that his age gap is so great that it might pose a hinderance compared to how other coaches can recruit. All the money that school get, the coaches get, and the networks get, has all increased. What the players get is still the same. Yet the media narrative, along with an envious Joe average narrative, is still the same "it's all because of spoiled athletes". Roy Williams and coaches like him are millionaires, depending on mostly athletes that are at best from working class demographics, yet it's the athletes who have been "spoiled all their lives". Ted Cruz mentality

[@TheMan750]

While Seth is absolutely correct, I don’t see him getting a CBB job anytime soon.

[@GG-lr3gv]

Recruit four year players Roy, plenty of programs do it. Look at Kansas, look at Wisconsin, look at Michigan State, they’re not looking for the best players they’re looking for the right ones.

[@GeekRex]

That may be true Seth but isn't that just the shame.

[@williamdauterive8975]

The business of college basketball hasn’t changed. The CULTURE of college basketball has changed.

[@davanmani556]

Roy didn’t let his assistants do any of the work in general but it seemed liked it got worse during the pandemic.

[@nateneglected6028]

Roy the goat

[@TheBlackRickGrimes]

Well, the NCAA monopolizing the sport especially basketball and football makes it very hard on coaches to be ethical and win in the same breath. They make billions and the players get crumbs.

[@sonofsarek]

Coaching style? You mean having tutors take classes for “students”?

[@TeeCamp10]

Walker Kessler was the deciding factor. Nothing will tell me otherwise. Roy was not a fan of the transfer portal and the one and done and having to build a new team, a new relationship every single year.

[@benyang2427]

The "business" of college basketball has already changed for quite some time. Roy Williams can tell ya he benefitted from this "business" by leaving KU for UNC. One and done has been around for ages though I'm not sure how the transfer portal has effected Roy Williams at UNC because it's mainly dudes from smaller schools transferring to programs like Oregon, etc for more playing time. I just think Roy Williams just straight up got burned out...and nothing wrong with that bc it happens to everybody.

[@juicyjay8642]

One and done has been around, but until the rule changes in 2005, most kids skipped college altogether so at least you got guys, you knew they wanted to be there.

[@benyang2427]

@@scottworley1479 Understandable. I don't think the one & done/transfer portal issues are necessarily a bad thing. It makes these coaches work even harder, become more tactically aggressive, etc. I think we've seen a more competitive balance in college basketball with a much bigger pool of contenders year in/year out as well. I think the only ppl who resent Roy Williams would be KU/Big 12 fans see him underachieve yearly only for him to somehow overachieve in the ACC lol.

[@scottworley1479]

@@benyang2427 under acheive? Four final 4s and 2 national title game appearances? That's hardly under achieving.

[@bryanwood8334]

@@benyang2427 You clearly didn't watch Kansas play much. He never was underachieving at any level of coaching. Yes he had some great teams at Kansas that didn't win a national championship but he never underachieved. People are ridiculous. The best team doesn't always win. Look at Villanova vs Carolina in 2016. Carolina was.the superior team but Nova was hot. They hit like 40 percent of their threes against good defense. It happens all the time in all sports. The best team on paper doesn't always win.

[@juicyjay8642]

@Ben Yang Kansas was on probation when he got there and within 3 years, they were in the Final 4!

[@kalamere]

The change was because of the arrogant parents and players, the changes in the NBA . Roy is the beginning of the end of colliagiate basketball. I also blame TV money and dumb sportswiters.

[@marcus813]

Williams was still able to adjust even with the sport's changes. If he couldn't adjust, he wouldn't have lasted this long.

[@alnichols3880]

Why do players want to stay and make the college money? They understand they are their own brand

[@Bdk2036]

You made up a reason on why he left and called it sad. These media talking heads are so annoying.

[@alvinkelley1255]

Roy got out just in time the days of Carolina and Duke being the two dominant power houses in college basketball are probably over with the transfer portal and one done has hurt college basketball the teams that advance and win are the school's where kids stay more than one season one other thing in North Carolina being a state employee he would have to retire at age 72

[@unc54]

The one and dones don't win titles though. Duke had the top 3 recruits in 2018 (Zion, RJ, Cam) and they still got bounced in the Elite Eight

[@drreed7164]

Joel Embiid manifests the term process

[@sabbo51]

Money is the name of the game always was and always will be

[@anthonywaraksa7206]

How about this? He is 70, has little left to prove. And, coming from a Duke fan, could there have been a better to retire than after having coached UNC to two victories over Duke? The characteristic that comes to mind is 'quality', with the only serious blemish the pretend courses that so many players took to maintain academic qualifications.

[@xandercrews4729]

I can’t imagine an 8 seed with a 1st round loss was how he envisioned ending his career. Plus, this was the worst Duke team in 25 years

[@jameswheeleriii]

Seth Greenberg should be the last 🏀 analyst to talk about changes in college basketball for he would not give Steph Curry a scholarship at Virginia Tech even knowing his father was a great player at VTech!

[@sugarcrisp7]

I don't know if these guys are getting ready to talk about his style of coaching no longer fits the University of North Carolina Basketball team but if they are, do they remember he won three at UNC. 2005, 2009, and 2017. That is three Championships at one school in less than 12 years. Not to many coaches can say that. I will agree there are more evenly matched teams and that games can go either way. I believe most of it has to do with kids wanting to go to the NBA before they are ready. College Sports is far better than Professional Sports and those who follow their teams are heart broken when their team loses. Not so much when Professional teams lose because most of that team will return and may very well win the next time.