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@Michael-be7uw3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos and the English language/ Grammer has always been complicated too many damn rules LOL
@kathara10013 жыл бұрын
I support tossing punctuation to the wind in order to provoke thought about the true intended meaning behind phrases like “eat a grape in the forest it is cold”
@collectionmaster3 жыл бұрын
The only useful use of the ; is when separating lists that have commas in the items. For example: Chicago, Illinois; Dallas, Texas; and Washington, D.C.
@AudreyN3 жыл бұрын
chaos,, simply Chaos
@xarin423 жыл бұрын
Tone is definitely a purpose of modern punctuation, but as someone who is starting to learn other languages I have to also point out that it also helps just make something readable at all. Things like the space and breaking things into paragraphs (two things that don't appear in all language's writing systems) helps the eyes and brain from being overwhelmed, and terminators to a lesser degree do the same thing, allowing faster reading. It should also be noted that conveying the information more accurately regardless of tone is also a thing, but I think your ending statement about clarifying with the person you're talking to is usually good enough outside of tense, large group, or other hard to clarify in situations. As for if I'm in the defender or the chaos faction ... probably neither/both? It depends on the context but usually it is pointless to write like they teach you in English classes. Rather, it can even be counterproductive to follow all the rules they taught you. But I don't think it all needs to be burned to the ground, just reworked for better use in formal settings and mostly ignored for non-formal settings. You can probably guess from my writing style but I'm also somewhere in the middle in how I actually write.
@theJOAQOX3 жыл бұрын
The fact that Tom Scott is 50% sure about his use of the semi-colon leaves me with no hope regarding my personal use of it.
@ce2araybara2263 жыл бұрын
Same here man
@swiftdragonrider3 жыл бұрын
It should do the opposite. Use it how ;; ever you like.
@theJOAQOX3 жыл бұрын
@@swiftdragonrider true
@answerinprogress3 жыл бұрын
@@moron0000 To be fair to Peter (the guy with over 100% confidence), I cut out the reasoning behind his confidence. He's worked as a Chinese-English translator, Spanish-English translator, and a librarian. He gave just about every possible "standard" use of the semicolon I could find - including the wink emoticon. He just knows that he knows an unusual amount about the semicolon.
@theJOAQOX3 жыл бұрын
@@answerinprogress as a spanish - english translation student soon to graduate, this fills me with confidence
@fabiant.24853 жыл бұрын
It's funny how in most programming languages semicolon is the primary terminator (end of a line of code); while period is a primary separator (namespaces, object-tree paths etc.).
@SaHaRaSquad3 жыл бұрын
Depends what language you're looking at. Erlang uses the period like C uses the semicolon. Lisp uses only whitespace as separator for everything.
@lonestarr14903 жыл бұрын
@@SaHaRaSquad We don't talk about Lisp here. It's for the better. You know, to avoid bloodshed and such.
@GyroCannon3 жыл бұрын
I think they did that because they started running out of symbols Commas were used to separate the arguments, so it'd be hard to differentiate splitting arguments with splitting namespaces if it was used for both Or I dunno, ease of parsing or something.
@mrroams58123 жыл бұрын
@@GyroCannon I actually looked this up and one plausible answer I found is that '.' is also used for decimal numbers which are obviously very common in programming and in early programming languages trying to distinguish the two could be tricky. It sure would be a lot more intuitive for new coders if the grammar of programming were more similar to regular grammar though.
@theultimatereductionist75923 жыл бұрын
Fantastic observation, Fabian T!
@le_science4all3 жыл бұрын
I thought that the semicolon was supposed to precede a closing parenthesis ;)
@isabellasilverio4653 жыл бұрын
That was great
@sgnosymfoemos3 жыл бұрын
*golf clap*
@TheReaverOfDarkness3 жыл бұрын
I betcha didn't know you can also have a colon precede an uppercase o. :O
@Victorsandergamer3 жыл бұрын
**wink* *wink**
@braininajar84743 жыл бұрын
10/10
@flutterwind76862 жыл бұрын
The tip is not to think hard about semicolons; it's to intuitively feel it.
@filebugged7751 Жыл бұрын
Ahhhh, you sly fox, I see what you did there!
@egg_2705 Жыл бұрын
I was taught that is that if you feel like using a colon is appropriate, but it reads more like a comma, that's the place. This comment is an excellent example.
@BananaRamaa Жыл бұрын
It took me 3 times reading over to realize what had been done here; it felt so natural of a sentence
@filebugged7751 Жыл бұрын
@@BananaRamaa Jeez louis, it genuinely took ME 3 TRIES TO SEE THE SEMICOLON YOU GUYS HAVE TO STOP BEING SO SMOOT WITH IT HOLYLORD-
@Bnio Жыл бұрын
When in doubt, 95% of the time, the semicolon can be substituted for another punctuation mark, such as the comma or dash. For the other 5%, make sure that that's really the best way to cast your sentence.
@Waywardemigod3 жыл бұрын
oh to be a humanist in the 15th century inventing punctuation left and right to confuse everyone else in the inevitable dystopian future
@Felipemelazzi3 жыл бұрын
How poetic ;D
@daanwilmer3 жыл бұрын
The 15th century only gave us the tools;;; it's the 18th century that gave us nightmare fuel rules.
@aparcadepro17933 жыл бұрын
Wish I were there 😭
@sejal-x3l3 жыл бұрын
the 15th century was the 1400s tho...
@RadeticDaniel2 жыл бұрын
@@aparcadepro1793 you mean: "wish I were then" xD Time traveller grammar can be a headache as you take more and more trips hahaha
@carlosgomez23053 жыл бұрын
I love that Tom (an actual linguist) gave himself the lowest confidence percentage.
@fgvcosmic67523 жыл бұрын
Reverse dunning krueger
@FutureHH3 жыл бұрын
is he a linguist? i thought he just enthustiant
@FutureHH3 жыл бұрын
@@sodiboo ah what a twist, it seemed to me he was the classic IT/engineer guy with a love for knowledge and culture
@Fernando-ek8jp3 жыл бұрын
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
@theinacircleoftheancientpu4923 жыл бұрын
Yup, he knew that he wasn’t certain. Unlike the others.
@kawaiidere10233 жыл бұрын
Semicolons are easy to use; the most critical part is not caring about official grammar, but rather flow and readability
@Maciej-Komosinski3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I am shocked that she did a video like this. I would easily give 100% understanding to the usage of semicolons, but even more shocking was that then she asked about the role of punctuation as if this was not obvious too... as if there weren't thousands of examples where punctuation clears up confusion about the meaning of sentences etc., as if this entire discussion was on the level of the first year of elementary school, not on the level of an adult, educated person she is. I think part of the problem is that some people try to describe everything by fixed rules. Same thing with composing music. Does a true composer follow some "rules of chord progression"? Obviously no! They compose music by ear and feeling, and the rules follow from this, not the other way round. Have trouble with punctuation or semicolons? then read about it, find and understand examples, read lots of examples, and then it will not be "hard to use". I expected to learn something from this video, but did not apart from the fact that some people find something hard to use or confusing. Neither interesting nor useful.
@peach.manggoe.pie103 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there
@SimonBuchanNz3 жыл бұрын
@@Maciej-Komosinski you don't think it's interesting that people that speak and read a language for their entire life, and still aren't sure how to use a fairly common part of it? We have different ideas if what's interesting, I guess.
@Maciej-Komosinski3 жыл бұрын
@@SimonBuchanNz I didn't find this interesting because I knew it, and I think everybody who sees the world around them knows it. I also know that there are lots of people who find grammar rules confusing, orthography rules confusing, driving rules confusing, etc., etc., and they still make errors. I wouldn't find videos about these facts interesting or useful.
@SimonBuchanNz3 жыл бұрын
@@Maciej-Komosinski then I think it's interesting that you think that apparently most people "don't see the world around them"!
@Tata-ps4gy2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Spanish speaker here. I wanted to emphasize that literacy is so extended that knowing what each punctuation sign means is more important than most vocabulary. The rules are not as important as the structure. "For example," and "For example:" are two different structures. The first feels more like natural language while the second is more structured and it looks like there is a list after it or a very logical sentence. I use semicolon when I want to say many facts in a line (I borrowed it from programming languages like Java or JS) For example: Roses are red; Violets are blue; Wololo; Roses are too;
@enavoid2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful poem
@JV-pu8kx Жыл бұрын
In your example, semicolons are used in place of commas when a list item has a comma. Similar to alternating between parentheses and brackets when nesting items, in math. Imagine a list of cities or counties, and their states: Orange County, Virginia; Orange County, New Jersey; and Orange County, California.
@Tata-ps4gy Жыл бұрын
@@JV-pu8kx Yes, that is a correct use too
@ethanjohnstone67973 жыл бұрын
"I think I do??" Tom you literally have a degree in words
@Liriq3 жыл бұрын
Wordology
@Matty0023 жыл бұрын
a. thats not the kind of degree he has b. and even if he did, words ≠ punctuation. punctuation is entirely artificial and only exists in text. nobody says " i have a dollar comma but its in quarters"
@@Matty002 I do actually say punctuation when I'm speaking, because I never figured out how to control my tone
@nondescripthandle2123 жыл бұрын
@@Matty002 except point 2 is wrong, speech has punctuation in it, for example you pause after a sentence. Speech came before writing. A full stop just indicates that pause in speech.
@silvereaglexi38883 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title I was like "semicolons are easy" then I started watching the video and I realised it wasn't about programming.
@petecoogan3 жыл бұрын
Semicolons are easy though.
@sirnikkel67463 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment here
@tiff79343 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAH
@maybeanonymous68462 жыл бұрын
r/programmerhumor
@abhilashajha882214 күн бұрын
Same here 😂😂🤓
@LyricWulf3 жыл бұрын
Just put it at the end of every line, duh;
@doctormo3 жыл бұрын
this->is_why(we).have[punctuation];
@zyansheep3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's what I was going to say!
@thsand50323 жыл бұрын
Is that a java joke ? If it's a java joke, then I understand it.
@grenien41093 жыл бұрын
@@thsand5032 also javascript and a bunch of other programming languages I think
@tempest_dawn3 жыл бұрын
@@grenien4109 The real humor of bringing JavaScript into it is that JavaScript actually doesn't require semicolons at the end of every line. Java, C++, C#, etc do, but JS has a feature where if you leave the semicolon off it will try to infer that there was supposed to be one there. (It mostly gets it right, although you occasionally have to be more explicit and include them yourself)
@cbplayz23742 жыл бұрын
I personally use semicolons a lot; as someone that gets off-track easily and always remembers an additional point mid sentence, I find that it makes extemporaneous writing more coherent than it is in my head.
@ThisCanBePronounced2 жыл бұрын
Have you researched the dash? It seems to unfortunately be falling out of fashion as well (making some things extremely hard to read when it's overloaded with commas) but what you described sounds more like the job of the dash. Semicolons are fairly elegant; they can mark a restatement, explanation, or other logical connection that could have been stated as a conjunction (which could fit what you said). Dashes are stronger semicolons; they're for more disjoint, interrupting, less grammatical additions to a sentence - and it's not beyond me to find a way to throw one in here. ;) (and then, just for anyone curious, the most extreme is the parenthesis: when something technically isn't part of the thought, but you still want to say it at that time.)
@zakay_ Жыл бұрын
I - love these comments; a lot. (Did I do it right? 😊)
@solitarelee620010 ай бұрын
Amen and also same hat
@eryptina8 ай бұрын
@@ThisCanBePronounced I fucking love your comment, I wanna put it on my wall
@ChiefMakes7 ай бұрын
@@ThisCanBePronouncedI saw the dash usssge in Harry Potter, any book from 2000’s or more never seen it.
@davidwilliam27223 жыл бұрын
The semicolon has two uses. 1. Instead of a full stop when you just can't bring yourself to let the previous sentence die a natural death. 2. When you don't know the first thing about punctuation but still feel there's some blackspace missing.
@wintermiller48453 жыл бұрын
I;ll use the semicolon for whatever I damn well please; thanks;
@conspiracypanda12003 жыл бұрын
"The semicolon has two uses: 1) Instead of a fullstop when you can't let your sentence die a natural death; 2) When you don't know the first thing about punctuation but still feel there's some blackspace missing." (This comment was funny when I thought of it but now that I've typed it out I feel like I've been possessed by the spirit of an absolute asshole... ;-; )
@Teddy-up5cd3 жыл бұрын
@@conspiracypanda1200 sorry for possessing you for a second; I possessed my workplace on accident once
@irissupercoolsy3 жыл бұрын
3. solves the bug in your code
@powandwow7503 жыл бұрын
@@Teddy-up5cd wow, you used it correctly
@DefaultSeaTurtle3 жыл бұрын
I think we need to take a moment to appreciate the high-quality graphics and animations. They really added a lot to this video.
@ilurvsharrypotter3 жыл бұрын
+
@tibbakoi3 жыл бұрын
+
@katiefinch94143 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah
@tobeornottobe9113 жыл бұрын
Huge agree! ++
@malaakm76553 жыл бұрын
This channel’s graphics are always incredible but this video has me blown away
@TheSkyline773 жыл бұрын
"I asked some friends" ... Tom Scott shows up ... Wow I am jealous of the friends you have
@inkkles3 жыл бұрын
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@star-stair Жыл бұрын
I love the way we type stuff on the internet! It's so interesting because it's almost more expressive than saying things out loud at this point.
@rizzo_grt3 жыл бұрын
Sabrina and Tom Scott collaborate?? This is the; best thing I've ever seen ever; thank you guys for making this video;
@yuujin81943 жыл бұрын
I love the energy in the second (2nd) sentence;
@resourceress73 жыл бұрын
Yes! More Sabrina and Tom, please!
@Blamwellamum3 жыл бұрын
I think you're pushing your luck with that second sentence,,,
@thundere7523 жыл бұрын
Ah! I see; what you did there.
@rizzo_grt3 жыл бұрын
These are the best; replies I've ever gotten to a comment of mine I swear,
@AustinBrouillard3 жыл бұрын
"the purpose of language is to understand, not to correct" -someone smart
@maxthexpfarmer39573 жыл бұрын
forgot to capitalize first word
@travcollier3 жыл бұрын
"The purpose of language"... Oh, that is an interesting topic. Probably to manipulate other individuals (not necessarily in a bad way) to produce behaviours beneficial to you. Though there also might also be an internal cognitive usage, but you get a chicken and egg problem there. But I'm an evolutionary biologist, and I suspect you were thinking more poetically ;)
@alvaromiguel87713 жыл бұрын
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 Y-you too
@nightynightlayla3743 жыл бұрын
MaxthexPfarmer, irony.
@AmodeusR3 жыл бұрын
"Problem is, when someone dumb enough not to know how to write properly, others need to 'dumbify' themselves to be able to understand that person, which reduces the intelectual conversation level, sometimes even creating bigger confusions, caused by misinterpretation." - Someone smarter
@mimthyss3 жыл бұрын
I love that language is fluid and ever changing! The "Internet grammar" stuff is a great example. Like, saying "wha??¿?" To convey extreme confusion/dumbfoundedness, or raNdOm cApitAlisaTion to create a sarcastic/mocking tone, or PURELY CAPS TO EMPHASISE A POINT OR EXPRESS EXCITEMENT/ANGER!!! Heck, even "!!1!!1!!!111!" Is its own thing, again usually a mocking recount of somebody else's comments. The list goes on and on. None of it is ""grammatically correct"" but it sure is expressive and fun and clearly communicates an idea!
@Booksds2 жыл бұрын
Have you read _Because Internet_ by Gretchen McCulloch? If not, I highly recommend it to anyone interested in “internet grammar”
@mimthyss2 жыл бұрын
@@Booksds thank you! I'll look into it! 😊
@swansyboy85122 жыл бұрын
Somehow it's not surprising that the internet has many obvious examples of how to express sarcasm or a mocking tone...
@レン-u6p2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I'd just write a sentence without any commas emphasizing that my thoughts are fast-paced and go one after another making it into an indistinguishable confusing blob of text. Actually, punctuation is kind of a form of science in its own, which is very fascinating to me.
@simonschnedl2 жыл бұрын
It isnt grammatically correct _yet_.
@joshuakepfer81402 жыл бұрын
As a writer, I've come to learn the sad general rule for semi-colons: don't use them. Most of the time they can be replaced by a comma or other punctuation. A trend that has been increasing for the last century is to use an em dash -- instead. However, I still use them when I can afford to, which is rare.
@NoNameAtAll2 Жыл бұрын
what does em in em dash stands for? long one?
@aylen7062 Жыл бұрын
I only use semicolons when programming or writing maths. I used to use a long dash when I was in school, as that's how we were taught to interrupt conversational quotes to add information in a story. Now I just end quotes and use a comma. My native language is Spanish but using English online so much has changed the way I use punctuation in all languages (with exceptions where the rules are too different).
@davidsalterego4481 Жыл бұрын
@@NoNameAtAll2The en dash is a single dash ‘-‘ while the em dash is two of those ‘-‘. n is the length of the first while m signifies the double length of the latter
@crillybafoon773011 ай бұрын
I think it's a bit weird that Sabrina didn't actually explain how to use a semi colon in the video but, just to clarify, it's not grammatically correct to exchange a comma and a semi colon. A comma (in this context) seperates two linked ideas when one is a main clause and one is a subordinate clause. For example: It was sunny, so I played soccer. Here, the main clause is 'it was sunny,' which is a full sentence that can be said by itself. On the other hand 'so I played soccer,' is a subordinate clause because it cannot be said by itself. The sentence 'so I played soccer,' though it can obviously be used in conversation, is not a grammatically correct sentence and treating it as such can cause confusion. On the other hand, a semi colon connects two ideas that are linked but that are both full sentences by themselves. For example: It was sunny; I played soccer. In this example, both phrases are full clauses by themselves, which is why a semi-colon can be used. A more suitable fix to a semi-colon is either using a period (It was sunny. I played soccer.) or a conjunction like and (It was sunny and I played soccer.) Using a comma here (It was sunny, I played soccer), is a comma splice, which is where someone uses a comma to connect two main clauses
@solinus713111 ай бұрын
my friend introduced me to em dashes a few weeks ago - ever since then i'm a huge fan of them.
@bees_alastair_at_you40993 жыл бұрын
I use semicolons a lot; spent a full week learning how to use them in like 5th grade. None of my teachers have told me I’m using them wrong, so I assume I’m fine. Huzzah
@perperperpen3 жыл бұрын
I asked my teacher once when i was in middle school and he basically said it can replace the word "and" so now i just use it for that purpose when i think my sentence is running on.
@tiagox32753 жыл бұрын
@@perperperpen I mean, regular commas also replace "and". that's just so we don't have to say "A and B and C and D" but spoken language came up before written language, so commas, somicolons and periods are all just there to add pauses with different lengths. we first learn to speak "A B C and D" and then learn to add punctuation to better communicate the natural speech speed: "A, B, C and D" (it's almost 2 AM here sorry if nothing I say makes sense)
@NOTZeroBlank3 жыл бұрын
I use theme when you can use both : and , to seperate the sentance i.e; "He was scared knowing everything; The truth to the world..."
@charlonecruz43763 жыл бұрын
I still don't get it; is it necessary to use them? Seems like we could just replace it with either a period or comma.
@tiagox32753 жыл бұрын
@@charlonecruz4376 well, they aren't *necessary*; they just add another layer of nuance to the language. you can totally write an entire book only using commas and periods and your writing likely wouldn't be hurt in the slightest
@KatieGimple3 жыл бұрын
I really love semicolons; when I'm writing connected ideas, periods often make it feel like there is a disconnect between two clauses, while a comma indicates that the two clauses together form one idea. A semicolon indicates that they are two related ideas that inform each other, but in which they are separable to form coherent thoughts.
@x--.3 жыл бұрын
This is probably closest to my preferred ideal. But I daren't when trying to impress upon people with far more power than I have the importance of my ideas. Don't want to piss them off with my grammar. (And, as she notes, it's dealing with laws).
@garretmh3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t that be a regular colon, since the second clause is elaborating on the first one?
@thesquishedelf13013 жыл бұрын
@@garretmh not necessarily: the second clause can be informing the first. It adds a poetic lilt to the transition between the clauses, the metaphor to the colon's simile; I tend to think of the way Tolkien uses them in Lord of the Rings as a good example.
@09williamsa3 жыл бұрын
YES THIS IS IT.
@syberyah3 жыл бұрын
Yep; if you use a comma instead of a semicolon, you end up with a run-on sentence.
@ramarokevin3 жыл бұрын
"When you don't want to finish a sentence, but you need more than a comma" PERFECT
@frogstereighteeng54993 жыл бұрын
Well, the original use was to separate connected independent clauses (things that can exist as individual sentences). Something like: "My tea is getting cold. I should boil some more water" works just as well with a semicolon: "My tea is getting cold; I should boil some more water". So, "I need something less than a period to connect these thoughts" would be a bit more apt.
@fnutarf20853 жыл бұрын
@@frogstereighteeng5499 You mean like a double edged "thus"?
@OrangeC73 жыл бұрын
@@frogstereighteeng5499 What I find interesting is that we often do this in spoken language but I rarely see semicolons in closed captioning/subtitles. I wonder if that's because it can confuse the meaning of what they're saying; It's probably easier to use a period instead anyways.
@MouseGoat3 жыл бұрын
@@frogstereighteeng5499 still, it feels so dirty using the ; because I know I know to little to not get slugters by gramer natzy, and ; makes it looks like I know what i'm doing when im writing :P but yeah totally agree on the way u use it
@the.rest.is.confetti3 жыл бұрын
@@OrangeC7 I've always wondered that as well!
@nil2k Жыл бұрын
100% confident in my semicolon use at the end of almost every line of code I write in C. I think this video suggests that a video on the proper use of "fewer" vs "less" and "bring" vs "take" and "upload" vs "download" and similarly often confused words would be a successful video.. "you're probably not using these words correctly"
@thecerveza3 жыл бұрын
I'm Indonesian and an English major graduate. I once wrote an entire paper discussing about semicolons in a poem by e.e. cummings. And I STILL have no idea how to use a semicolon.
@Egilhelmson3 жыл бұрын
> I’m Indonesian and an English major graduate. Why?
@johnk38413 жыл бұрын
@@Egilhelmson maybe because they need English teachers in Indonesia?
@CeaselessWatcher58183 жыл бұрын
@@Egilhelmson maybe, just maybe, cus they simply _want_ to do it? But idk
@SoybeanInTheMilk3 жыл бұрын
@@johnk3841 no, what’s the point of pointing that out. We don’t need to know your ethnicity
@agentsd34283 жыл бұрын
Ehehe cummings
@maximusmidnight25913 жыл бұрын
"Gen Z's paralyzing fear of conflict to the point of replacing periods with commas and ellipses" I feel very called out
@niravelniflheim18583 жыл бұрын
I spent about a minute wondering what an ellipsis was... and of course I use them all the time, just like semicolons; I felt dumb when I remembered.
@fukpoeslaw36133 жыл бұрын
I've got it the other way round; what generation am I?
@dogex26733 жыл бұрын
That is EXACTLY what I do, my paragraphs are literally just one or two massive sentences.
@EnigmaticLucas3 жыл бұрын
I don’t do that, but I do leave out the period in informal messages consisting of one sentence because the absence of a question mark or an exclamation point implies a period
@electricspider22673 жыл бұрын
Ellipses are… wait for it… … ↑ that
@DJl3iohazord3 жыл бұрын
“Do you know how to use a semi colin?” Me: ;_;
@lazygnome03 жыл бұрын
Me: ;( ;)
@thatoneguy95823 жыл бұрын
@@lazygnome0 ,’) master race
@tomgucwa73193 жыл бұрын
!?!
@nottodayartt51873 жыл бұрын
I rarely use semi colons; however, I do use it with "howevers'" rather often.
@vyrot3 жыл бұрын
;-;
@Christopher_Gibbons2 жыл бұрын
The purpose of punctuation is to eliminate structural ambiguity. While punctuation is most frequently used to impose a cadence, the semicolon is almost never used that way. It is almost exclusively used to conjoin elements of differing hierarchies. It is probably the least ambiguous of all the conjunctions. People are just confused because it's almost never used.
@thedude19473 жыл бұрын
Just put it at the end of every statement. This was made by c++ gang
@mushroom_e3 жыл бұрын
ya missed an opportunity to put a semicolon at the end my dude;
@MrMarclax3 жыл бұрын
C++? More like C Because Java, C# and C++ all require semicolons. They inherited that from their daddy aka C.
@supersammy003 жыл бұрын
Message approved by the java gang.
@zyaicob3 жыл бұрын
@@MrMarclax Daddy C is best daddy
@slicerabbit61663 жыл бұрын
you put a semicolon at the end of an if statement? Kappa
@arkhandhwr3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love Tom Scott (with his linguistics degree) "I'm confident I know how to use a semi-colon", rates confidence at 50% while everyone else was 70-80
@sibergirl26452 жыл бұрын
If you know a little about a topic, you over judge your knowledge. If you know a lot about a topic, you understand how complex it is and the many things you have left to learn.
@The_Red_Scare2 жыл бұрын
The Dunning Krueger(?) effect lol
@LM-he7eb2 жыл бұрын
@@The_Red_Scare You literally read my mind. What is wrong with you?
@LiEnby2 жыл бұрын
this is an interesting thing, where if you know alot about a topic, you will think you know less about it, and someone who knows a little about it, will insist they know alot
@Danielle_12342 жыл бұрын
@@The_Red_Scare The Dunning-Kruger Effect states that people who are weak in a topic over estimate their abilities and people who are knowledgeable in a topic under estimate it. However, it's not so extreme. Someone who is weak at a test might think they got a 65% when in fact they got a 50%. Meanwhile someone who got a 100% might think they got a 95%. The Dunning-Kruger Effect is rounding error in a direction, not stupid people assuming they are smart. Ironically you knowing something about the Dunning-Kruger Effect, but not tons about it is a perfect example of this, that you'd misunderstand it in an exaggerated way, assuming the effect is larger than it is. If Tom Scott gives a 50% then odds are high he was never taught the semicolon in class, regardless of his degree.
@selma12503 жыл бұрын
not this coming out 2 hours after i wrote an english essay where i sprinkled in some semicolons for taste❤️
@KingsleyIII3 жыл бұрын
The way you said that almost seems like a recipe, you know like "add salt to taste"? How about "add semicolons to taste"?
@selma12503 жыл бұрын
@@KingsleyIII yep, just a dash of punctuation
@selma12503 жыл бұрын
update: i got an A on the essay🦶
@emilyscloset26483 жыл бұрын
@@NicoEm ironically, I get a similar thing but with word choice. I am at my most eloquent and pithy when just following my brain. When I try to spice things up, it normally just isn't quite right.
@17388 Жыл бұрын
All throughout highschool and now college I've used the semicolon. I've used it in so many ways, ways that were probably incorrect. And no matter it was APs or not, never got marked down. I just used it confidently and in a way that was consistent with my style and tone, I think that's why no reader or teacher ever thought to second guess my ;. It's so much fun; really, i just love how it makes a sentence flow.
@deusdragonex3 жыл бұрын
I feel like this overlooks a critical aspect of written language; writing is not simply a tool for two-way communication, but also for one-way information delivery. Yes, when you're having a conversation with someone and they don't have perfect grammar, you can ask them for clarification. However, if you're writing a novel, your readers can't, or won't, ask you what you meant if your writing is obtuse. They will either soldier on in confusion or stop reading altogether. So I'd agree that we shouldn't be obnoxious about grammar in informal settings, in a two-way format, but if you are writing for an audience with limited means for the audience to communicate with you, it is paramount that you are familiar with the rules and adhere to them as closely as possible, unless you are intentionally breaking the rules for some narrative or thematic reasons.
@zargdestroyerofworlds55803 жыл бұрын
I would argue that, in such a case, clarification isn’t strictly necessary. As you said, most people will just move on after encountering a weirdly phrased sentence. I doubt anyone out there would actually dwell for too long on something as insignificant as a misplaced semicolon, let alone just stop reading altogether. At the very worst, they’ll assume you made a typo and move on. On a separate note, what “rules” are writers supposed to be familiar with? Are you trying to imply that there’s some high council out there, deciding which ways to write and spell are right or wrong? If there was one, who exactly would be enforcing those rules? As you said, the purpose of language is to convey information. If a certain sentence breaks the so-called rules of language, but still effectively and clearly conveys the intended message, then how exactly is that sentence “wrong”?
@ikschrijflangenamen3 жыл бұрын
@@zargdestroyerofworlds5580 good language rules exist not to prescribe language, but to describe it. If you as an author want to communicate effectively and clearly, and if you are unsure about a certain punctuation mark, that doesn't mean nobody else knows about it either. So to communicate with the people who do know that mark, you should follow the established convention. No high council, just popular consensus described succinctly.
@twotothehalf37253 жыл бұрын
Not to be that guy, but I'm _pretty_ sure the semicolon you used should've just been a colon. Not that it hurts what you're trying to say; I'm just being pedantic.
@Ck87JF3 жыл бұрын
@@zargdestroyerofworlds5580 Sometimes punctuation is vital to understanding the intention of the author. There's a meme example floating around out there about the sentence "A woman without her man is nothing." Depending on how you punctuate it, you can make the sentence say that: A) a woman is nothing without her man or B) men are nothing without women. Readers can often draw clues from context to infer what the author intended, but not always. Authors can also rephrase their sentences to improve clarity, even without punctuation (like in my A&B paraphrasing above). However, if the tools are available, why not use them?
@ahuman57722 жыл бұрын
@@Ck87JF and I find this conversation very English-centred as well, in a lot of languages minor grammar mistakes completely change the meaning of a sentence (specifically languages with cases). Sure, in English missing a comma once in a while doesn't necessarily ruin the whole sentence, but we can't really go in the extreme direction of "write however you want" either. Otherwise each person could come up with their own grammar rules and their own words and no one would understand each other. The purpose of language is to communicate, so some rules are necessary (although they don't need to be made up by a council, generally people understand the rules intuitively).
@purplepixi183 жыл бұрын
I love semicolons; they help me with run-on sentences.
@irrelevance38593 жыл бұрын
See, that could have just been a comma right there; that’s why I hate semi-colons.
@gavinwilson53243 жыл бұрын
@@irrelevance3859 Actually, it couldn't have been. It was a correct use of a semicolon.
@roadrunnercrazy3 жыл бұрын
I love a well placed semicolon!
@irrelevance38593 жыл бұрын
@@gavinwilson5324 I know it's correct. I'm being ironic.
@frankhooper78713 жыл бұрын
@RaquelPixie - help you create run-on sentences; or help you correct them?
@aDifferentJT3 жыл бұрын
The big problem with ambiguity is when two people read a sentence differently with neither of them realising there’s ambiguity there and that’s where we really need punctuation.
@Arkylie2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of every time I run across the word "bemused" and don't know if it's being used for "confused" (its lexical meaning) or "amused" (a relatively new meaning, as I understand it), and not knowing the distinction makes me either bemused or just annoyed. The thing about the "rules", for me, is that they further communication; if they get in the way, they need to change or be ignored. Communication becomes most crucial in legal documents and medical documents, which is where the rules should be most strictly adhered to; in less crucial writing, it's not a big deal until you convey a meaning strongly at odds with the one you intended to convey. Or when you create a road bump for people who were previously immersed in your story then ran across an obviously mistaken word, one easily corrected in their head (they knew what you meant) but still an error that pushes the reader out of the story.
@LesserAim Жыл бұрын
We're gonna eat grandma or We are gonna eat, grandma
@hooman4508 Жыл бұрын
1:01 1:01 1:01 1:01 1:01 1:01
@peachycrow94622 жыл бұрын
this video tought me more about grammar than seven years of primary school; thanks for keeping me entertained while teaching me so much!
@-ana_banana-20983 жыл бұрын
It helps knowing that: 1- It’s stronger than a comma but not as strong as a dot. 2- When you have two different ideas in a long sentence, instead of putting a comma, you could use a semicolon.
@letiziavottero2623 жыл бұрын
in our class in italian we use it when you finish a phrase but the next phrase you start continues with the same topic as the first one; you use the period/dot when the next phrase changes topics.
@MM-vs2et3 жыл бұрын
Two different, BUT RELATED ideas. I think that's key
@creepinNinja4132 жыл бұрын
Pokemon grammar rules love it
@allanrichardson90812 жыл бұрын
Also, nobody ever got worried about missing a semicolon. But some cancer survivors HAVE a semicolon.
@Beanzoboy2 жыл бұрын
@@allanrichardson9081 Why would you make them the butt of the joke? That's a pretty shitty thing to do.
@s4rib3 жыл бұрын
"Semicolons are hard to use." Me a programmer( ); You sure about that?!
@aryajpegasus3 жыл бұрын
python(): yea pretty sure actually
@irissupercoolsy3 жыл бұрын
aren't you a Programmer{} that Programmer.programs();?
@s4rib3 жыл бұрын
@@irissupercoolsy you know what that makes more sense haha
@irissupercoolsy3 жыл бұрын
@@s4rib nice 😁
@embersworkshop3 жыл бұрын
in python territory, you bet semicolons are hard to use if i suddenly have to switch to GLSL or C# or something
@watcher3141593 жыл бұрын
Something important to recognize here is what a style guide (these being the things that lay out punctuation rules) actually is. A style guide is a set of standards to ensure that across a publication with multiple writers, all the content has a cohesive structure and feel. There are multiple style guides, all competing, all with subtly different recommendations, some more popular than others, but all that ultimately matters is that, should you need a particularly high degree of consistency for whatever reason (*and you might not*), you pick some standard, any standard, and stick with it. While we're at it, dictionaries are a record of words as they are used and spelt, not instructions for use. Sure, keep citing it if you get into a debate about words for whatever reason, but keep in mind its limitations.
@ArloMathis3 жыл бұрын
Descriptive vs prescriptive, yes. The former is very much preferable and what dictionary writers will tell you.
@WVER-gc2fs3 жыл бұрын
Style guides are also often adopted by specific fields/disciplines to *facilitate* conversation, and basically make it so people in said fields/disciplines know where to look in the text for certain things, and not get lost in the formatting. Sometimes, as the need demands, authors can even give their own spin on the style because the guides aren't always complete and comprehensive, or context changes (the APA Style Guide's recent shifts are an example of that). In those cases, new editions can be released if a huge segment of the authors using said style guide does a certain practice, anyway. (or sometimes they do it just to make everyone's lives easier) But they are, as you said, *guides* , not laws.
@questioner15962 жыл бұрын
A question mark is a great argument for punctuation not being elitist. It allows you to abbreviate your questions without changing your meaning. The text "coming back" has a completely different meaning than "coming back?", but without a question mark, it would have to be phrased "I am coming back" or "will you be coming back", respectively.
@Soandnb3 жыл бұрын
2:48 "So you kinda get the idea that everybody's ideas were similar; they overlap."
@meganbanks33833 жыл бұрын
Using a semicolon always makes me feel tense.
@LolSumor3 жыл бұрын
;
@halicusnguyen88643 жыл бұрын
@@LolSumor *grabs the holy water*
@Rognik3 жыл бұрын
Past, present or future tense?
@IceMetalPunk3 жыл бұрын
Or does it make you feel, felt, will feel tense?
@ball_annihilator3 жыл бұрын
@@LolSumor @Sophia Nguyen your pfps match :)
@megan54953 жыл бұрын
The fact that Grammarly didn't sponsor this is so bizarre to me; they're the perfect sponsor for this subject.
@gearandalthefirst70273 жыл бұрын
Grammarly's entire premise relies on prescriptive grammar, if anything, they'd want this video deleted
@Bluecho43 жыл бұрын
Not really. The whole business model of Grammarly is built on selling people the ability to be perfect at grammar. Whereas this video's whole purpose is to deconstruct the very assumption that "proper grammar" exists. I don't think Grammarly would appreciate having their service invalidated.
@triggerwarning76623 жыл бұрын
Gram-er-ree
@bobogus7559 Жыл бұрын
I rarely ever use semicolons - I've come to use the em dash far more, as I do throughout this comment. It's a very versatile punctuation mark - as you can see, it even works to separate thoughts within a sentence, kind of like parentheses - although it isn't naturally found on a keyboard. On a Windows machine like mine, it's entered by holding down the Alt key while entering the numbers 0151 on the 10-key pad. So there you go - that's why I like to use the em dash.
@i_love_games110 Жыл бұрын
do you always use the dash this much
@bobogus7559 Жыл бұрын
@@i_love_games110 Not exactly. Here, I was making a point by showing the various ways I use it, so I used it far more often than I do in reality.
@xoreign3 жыл бұрын
As a linguist, I am SO glad you made that last point about the dangers of grammar policing.
@barvdw3 жыл бұрын
But if your only means of communication is the written text, like with YT comments, having a text with *no* punctuation is very hard to read, and asking for a little explanation is likely going to get you just another blob of unintelligible text. I don't mind an occasional grammatical mistake, I make enough of those myself, but some effort is required.
@MrBsehratmaannking3 жыл бұрын
I think there's a fine line between policing and the other person just needing to learn a bit more proper grammar.. i think understanding their vs they're, or it's vs its is an important part of grammar and can confuse the reader if not used correctly. But on the other hand, i find that people who insist on putting a period after the end of their last sentence, or capitalising the first letter of a message/comment can be a bit too full of themselves or annoying (not everyone of course). sometimes I think people use "correct" grammar to show their 'superiority', and that's what I don't like
@MrBsehratmaannking3 жыл бұрын
To give an example, very often when people get into a discussion online, you'll notice one person suddenly starts to type with 100% correct punctuation/grammar on purpose, and i think they do it because they think it makes them look smarter Scenario: A: i think having this might be a good idea because ... B: No. That's a terrible idea. It will never work. To me, person B just gives off this aggressive vibe and looking down on person A But maybe it's just me, i haven't really encountered someone who agrees with me yet xd
@JorGe-gr2ui3 жыл бұрын
@@MrBsehratmaannking i know people who type like that on texts and i'm pretty sure it's more of a personal preference than anything else, but then again, i purposefully avoid people who're full of themselves so... dunno
@MrBsehratmaannking3 жыл бұрын
@@JorGe-gr2ui yeah it's not everyone for sure.. Ive known a few people who also just preferred to type that way
@samuelemorreale75103 жыл бұрын
Sabrina: "Do you know how to use a semicolon?" Me: "Yeah, at the end of the line in JS, except when you don't. JS is fng weird, mate
@kaishang64063 жыл бұрын
add it at where you are supposed if you are writing in java or c# wouldn't throw an error. ignoring it wouldn't either. correct me if i'm wrong, only used it for 3 projects.
@okuno543 жыл бұрын
Or... at the beginning of lines that begin with open paren or square bracket, and nowhere else, b/c JS is fng weird, mate ;)
@sticks46323 жыл бұрын
Languge is there to express ideas, not limit them -John Green
@rusca83 жыл бұрын
Where's your full stop? 😂
@ragnkja3 жыл бұрын
@@rusca8 Is it needed? The sentence is just as clear without it I wouldn’t omit the full stop unless there’s a clear line break, though
@UltimateKyuubiFox3 жыл бұрын
Rusca8 Why limit the sentence’s ideas?
@lcmiracle3 жыл бұрын
@@ragnkja I dunno, I kind expect John to say "buy Fault in the Stars" after that.
@ronaldonmg3 жыл бұрын
Sure, but that's why you need proper grammar and punctuation...just to make sure you don't express a completely different thing than what you actually mean
@the_vine_queen Жыл бұрын
In my mind, punctuation is used to clarify intent, tone and inflection. The question mark and exclamation point are obvious examples of this, however things like commas can help with introducing sometimes crucial pauses into your sentences. For example, the Oxford comma, whose existence can easily clarify the intent of the sentence. The semicolon is definitely lesser-used than others, but it does indeed have a use. Standardization and clear rules make every use of these punctuations consistent; think of the ambiguity of some tone indicators like /hj. Using punctuation properly also enforces professionalism, like how you wouldn't shorten "you're" to "ur" when filling out a job application, for example. The texting culture can misuse these all it wants, but standardization should still be kept for professional language, so that intent is always clear and not subject to change based on trends.
@TheHorseOutside3 жыл бұрын
“Tom Scott lives in hotel rooms” is a thought I didn’t anticipate occurring in a video about grammar
@joshbrunton88183 жыл бұрын
I know how to use semicolons! if (stemMajor) { failEnglishClass(); }
@ultimategotea3 жыл бұрын
@@zutaca2825 if stemMajor is a bool, then a simple if statement would work well.
@Lambda_Ovine3 жыл бұрын
@@zutaca2825 // If you're comparing strings, you should use a dedicated function for that, unless you use javascript but that's lame //Also, if statements are overrated. It should be like this: void (*funcArr[2]) (void) = {&passClass, &failClass}; int i = 1*(strcmp(major, "stem") == 0); (*funcArr[i])();
@Nossairito3 жыл бұрын
THE EDITING OMG. Can't get over how cool it is.
@nateskool Жыл бұрын
I grew to develop a fascination for semicolons in high school and used them a lot during those years and even in college. Language is so fun to learn and dive into.
@stevenclark21883 жыл бұрын
I think one of the problems is that, thanks to manuals of style, no-one is ever allowed to write a sentence that could benefit from a semicolon without being corrected for a run-on anyway.
@RainaRamsay2 жыл бұрын
I had a student I was tutoring who was marked down for every sentence using a semi-colon; the teacher claimed they were run-ons. Only one of them actually was. I finally had to tell her "Look, change them to periods so you pass the class, but just be aware that your professor is absolutely wrong in this case." I'm starting to think it's not that WE don't know how to use them --- it's that the "experts" don't.
@mushroom_e3 жыл бұрын
Sabrina: I'm feeling vindicated in my head: vindicatiOOONNN!! Holt on the screen: vindicatiOOONNN!! how are u in my brain Sabrina??
@zyansheep3 жыл бұрын
Ooooh~ another camera change!
@elliezdancewic9583 жыл бұрын
The animation and quality of the research always blow me away!
@GiraffeNVC2 жыл бұрын
"Valuing the punctuation over the person." - spot on!
@Maxspeed3013 жыл бұрын
Started playing this whilst coding, and was really confused why there wasn't a grumpy brit talking about japan at 3:25
@valwillham86023 жыл бұрын
ahahaha i was shook too
@christiant.g.9943 жыл бұрын
😂😂 knew I would find this comment! There is something off-putting about listening to this without the bike bell ringing or the car honking though
@DaniloAllen3 жыл бұрын
Same
@InnocentVodalia3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for both Chris *and* Andong.
@AdelWolf3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU OMG! I blitzed by this comment while trying to find out where the hell else I knew that music from, but what you wrote stuck with me for three more pages of non-answer comments until AHHA THATS IT JAPAN ABROAD! and my head exploded. Thank you for clearing that up; now I have to clean this up.
@strangebird59743 жыл бұрын
I loved the semicolon when I left high-school; it was beaten out of me in college/uni. I have slowly allowed it back in my writing these days.
@secondengineer98143 жыл бұрын
I use semicolons in a few cases, like when I'm making a list with a sub-list, with multiple things, or with commas; when I need to separate that list from the listing of the sub-list; and when I realize that's the only time I use semicolons.
@ilicythings3 жыл бұрын
the only time I use semicolons
@Kaien_vt3 жыл бұрын
Your sentence structure gave me anxiety.
@toomdog2 жыл бұрын
You almost had me convinced to give up proper punctuation until you mentioned interpreting laws. I hadn’t thought of that, but it is an excellent reason to practice proper punctuation on a daily basis. If we all just assume that someone else will keep track of, it won’t be long before that knowledge is lost from the public mind and nobody can check if laws are being interpreted correctly. I may be coming from a skewed viewpoint here as I am an engineer and most of the reading and writing I do is to communicate clearly and concisely, leaving no room for ambiguity or misunderstanding. I will absolutely add three more sentences that don’t flow and don’t form a solid conclusion just so I can be sure the information was communicated clearly. Maybe I’m just salty because I grew up typing two spaces at the end of my sentences and by the time I got to college, the teacher was taking points off my papers for using two spaces after a period. If we’re going to spend years teaching kids the rules, why is anyone allowed to change them? Well I guess I better wrap this up because it is well past my bed time and I can tell I’m ranting
@Ejpon9 ай бұрын
It's interesting that the whole video is set up to conclude with "as literacy went broader, those rules become important," yet it ends with "Rules are boring, write whatever and ask if the other site can't use basic grammar."
@ezehbomote63843 жыл бұрын
How did she not sneak a programming joke into this.
@irok13 жыл бұрын
Easily
@fitmotheyap3 жыл бұрын
print("Ikr I am kinda sad there is no programming joke")
@MouseGoat3 жыл бұрын
@@fitmotheyap - Error line 1 CS1002 ; expected Lmao you had one job XD
@JansthcirlU3 жыл бұрын
@@MouseGoat why are you trying to compile python to c# lmao
@pe....3 жыл бұрын
@@JansthcirlU Both of u had one job.
@Nir7r0us0xide3 жыл бұрын
I was actually praised by my HS english teacher for my semicolon usage. I've barely used it since though, as it's rarely needed
@alfiona79513 жыл бұрын
For some reason I tend to use a semi colon to link sentences, when I don't want to use "and". I hate using a colon. OMG I submitted a short story with it being the third most used punctuation.
@stellasdoesstuff3 жыл бұрын
I do the same thing lmao
@Brindlebrother3 жыл бұрын
that's literally one of the functions of a semicolon
@pppppaaaaaccccchhh3 жыл бұрын
I've been using semicolons and em-dashes so much more
@coffeeblack7520Ай бұрын
I'm a copy editor and proofreader, and found this and Taha's video really interesting. I totally agree with many of your points. Language is evolving all the time. My take on grammar and punctuation rules is that they are there to serve us, not the other way around - they are standards and guidelines we can use to help us get our ideas across to others clearly. If there were no such rules, it would probably be very difficult for people to understand others' written expression. The other important aspect to all of this is audience: who is the writing for? Is it for your friends, your colleagues, people throughout your country, people who speak your language in all countries? That will obviously affect how and what you write - if you follow the generally accepted grammar and punctuation standards, more people will be able to access your ideas.
@KinseySwartz3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought of semicolons as a tool for fixing comma splices. Whenever you run across a comma splice in your writing, just swap in a semicolon for the comma, and you're golden.
@KinseySwartz2 жыл бұрын
@Juts It’s when two sentences are joined together with a comma instead of being separated with a period. Comma splices are considered grammatically incorrect.
@bethbcrafts3 жыл бұрын
I've taught English grammar and in my gut I felt attacked by this video, but in my heart AND in my brain I know how right you are. I think there's value is teaching grammar, as long as the approach and purpose is made clear: those in power will use any reason at all to ignore those with less power, so learning to communicate clearly and, sometimes, in the "proper mainstream language" is a great skill to have. I also think understanding English grammar reveals some of its flaws, which ALWAYS leads to really interesting conversation and critical thinking. All that being said, there is a lot of room in education for change - there's no reason why the default has to be what it's always been.
@cheesemoose9752 жыл бұрын
As a grammer nerd I love English; simple rules leading to clear and concise communication is fantastic.
@ingenuity23-yg4ev9 ай бұрын
im sorry i cant help but notice, *grammer* ? you mispelled the main word
@vetar33723 жыл бұрын
This brings me back to my Norwegian classes. In Norway every dialect is considered "correct" and "official", but that does NOT apply to writing. I was always terribly confused in class and my grades suffered. And by the way, Norway has two official Norwegian languages that you have to learn; and neither really match what i speak
@soundninja993 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced Norwegian is impossible to master. And I'm from the east where the written and spoken language is similar
@flutterwind76862 жыл бұрын
@@soundninja99 The key is to learn Danish first
@rateeightx2 жыл бұрын
@@flutterwind7686 I'd sooner go mute than learn Danish.
@flutterwind76862 жыл бұрын
@@rateeightx Sick burn; which language do you know?
@tirididjdjwieidiw11382 жыл бұрын
that’s because one of the standardised written languages in norway, bokmål, is based on danish.
@Anne_3033 жыл бұрын
Me: *watching the first 5 seconds* Me, literally out loud: nO WAY IT'S TOM
@okaykatieokay3 жыл бұрын
i got marked down 5% for ending two sentences with prepositions in one of essays and i nearly wrote an email to my professor explaining to her why prescriptive grammar is garbage it made me so angry
@laurencefraser3 жыл бұрын
Prescriptive grammar is fine and good... It has its place,and that was the right context for it. The problem is that, for English, many of the Rules are nonsense. Because they're not English rules. Their either badly repurposed latin or complete fabrications. Descriptivism absolutely has its place, it is Exactly what linguists should employ when studying languages. It is also the discipline that should be employed when determining what the rules of a language actually are, and should rightly be used to destroy any argument that some particular rule must be followed when said rule is utter nonsense. Once the discipline of linguistics developed enough to debunk the erronius garbage put about by the ignorant twits who set the prescribed rules based on nothing more than an assumption that, having written a book and had the money to get it published (and similar,equally useless credentials), they could not possibly be incorrect, then linguistis were Absolutely right to do so. They didn't, not really, they just decried prescriptivism in general as a great evil and gave ideological rabble rouses another stick to use on those who dared to make sensible counter arguments, while the Generally ignorant masses, having internalized the idea that prescriptivism is Inherently evil, are more likely to go along with it (no matter how logically inconsistent and flat out Wrong the claim in question may be. Calling someone a prescriptivist achieves about the same effect asking when they stopped beating their wife, useful argument wise.) On the other hand, Descriptivism has absolutely No Place in the class room. Well, not when it comes to teaching proper grammar and the like. Because the classroom is specifically Supposed to be teaching standard or formal English. You know, the sort you use when you want to be understood by someone who's Not from the same socioeconomic back ground, small geographic area, technical field, and/or generation. Because the goal is Clear Communication. That said, there are a lot of things that people claim are "rules" that absolutely belong in a style guide and not in a grammar... And some of those style guides should then be rounded up and burned. They are that awful. TL;DR: the problem isn't Perscriptivism, it's that somewhere along the way setting the system on fire became more ideologically acceptable than error checking. Because apparently telling a kid that negating their sentences improperly makes them hard to understand is oppressive... Or possibly rewriting the rules to actually reflect reality (like every other field of science does) was too much like hard work and it was easier to just pretend there aren't any.
@Orynae3 жыл бұрын
@@laurencefraser yes, thank you, I'm so tired of hearing "these few rules are latin-based garbage, therefore GRAMMAR IS BULLSHIT, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT" (including in this video)
@charlesrennekamp75293 жыл бұрын
“This is the sort of English up with which I will not put.” -Churchill
@JimMonsanto3 жыл бұрын
@@laurencefraser Agreed. Many people who like to use ACHUWAL LUGWISSSTS to back up their anti-prescriptivist tirades often forget that one branch of linguistics is the study of register--the way people talk and write appropriate to the context. No linguist worth his or her salt is going to back someone up trying to argue why they shouldn't be fired or shouldn't get marked down on a paper for using colloquialisms perfectly acceptable between friends, but severely frowned upon or outright banned in the workplace or schools. To give an example, I had a colleague years and years ago who was heavily criticized by our school board for his use of plain-form and colloquial Japanese with our bosses and supervisors. _Shiagattoru_ this and _jatta_ that is fine with your friends, but positively verboten in the workplace. _Desu_ and _Masu_ only, there, and a little keigo with the big wigs goes a long way.
@waynemv3 жыл бұрын
Many people who complain about sentences ending with prepositions often fail to correctly distinguish prepositions from adverbs; many words can take on either role. For example, in the phrase "Turn on the light", "on" does not function as a preposition. Instead, it acts as a modifier to clarify the sense of the verb "turn". Compare that to an expression like "turn on a dime", wherein "on" is actually being used as a preposition. In other news... in spite "on" and "off" being opposites, and in spite "come" and "go" also being opposites, "come on" and "go off" can at times mean the same thing! For example, the lights on a police car may come on at the same time its siren goes off.
@astaiannymph Жыл бұрын
Honestly? Something "we're all pretty confident we know how to use, but we're all operating under slightly different sets of rules" is a good summary of how language works in general.
@amzye23 жыл бұрын
New Sabrina video: *turns adblock off*
@answerinprogress3 жыл бұрын
Dang, u a real one
@leongjack8723 жыл бұрын
when that "Chris Abroad in Japan" music played, it hit me... lol I thought Chris would suddenly appear as a cameo or something
@chrisf75043 жыл бұрын
Went looking for this comment and who else noticed haha
@Trevin_Taylor3 жыл бұрын
She could have at least been eating fried chicken.
@leongjack8723 жыл бұрын
@@Trevin_Taylor or the Monster Ramen challenge. haha
@jasoncollins59493 жыл бұрын
That was kind of trippy.
@OwenShartle3 жыл бұрын
:mind_blown:
@Ddddddddddd3813 жыл бұрын
of course I know how to use a semicolon. put one at the end of every line when coding in C
@endermaster083 жыл бұрын
c# also does it too!
@zperk133 жыл бұрын
or Ada or C++ or C# or D or Java or Objective-C or PHP or Rust or Seed7
@ginsederp3 жыл бұрын
Me too! It's so simple even a toddler should know this. For example: for(;;);
@EvanOfTheDarkness3 жыл бұрын
Guys, we all know that semicolons were invented by a time travelling Dennis Ritchie, to have something to put at the end of statements.
In 5th grade, our teacher thought us the semi-colon; we all thought it looked so cool in our writing. We started using it everywhere: in our fiction writing, where we used it in every sentence; in our non-fiction writing, where we used it in every heading; and even in our maths, where in the “explain your answer” section, we used it religiously. The teacher started to get really agitated; our writing was now barely intelligible just so we could cram in as much semi-colons as possible. So she had to ban all semi-colons from our writing, tests, and even us talking or mentioning the semi-colon. Once we went into the next grade and we could use the semi-colon again, and since then, everyone can’t go a word without using one; that includes me writing this comment; oh.
@FlackNCoke3 жыл бұрын
The thing that stuck out the most about this video to me is the fact that that Kurt Vonnegut quote could be rewritten, quite legibly, with a semicolon. "Do not use semicolons; all they do is show you've been to college." SUCK ON THAT, VONNEGUT!
@Quickpatch123 жыл бұрын
so you have been to college eh?
@Aug4EatingPlants3 жыл бұрын
A quote from my absolutely favorite book at the moment “ Language evolves, so must we.” -Carry On. By Rainbow Rowell
@rukbat33 жыл бұрын
Ironically, that comma ought to be a semicolon. :)
@chenoaholdstock35073 жыл бұрын
I heard somewhere that a semicolon is correct when used like the word "because". If the word because fits, pop a semicolon in there.
@rowan46843 жыл бұрын
I heard somewhere that a semicolon is correct when used like the word ";". If the word; fits, pop a semicolon in there. ...did I do it right?
@stevegruber47243 жыл бұрын
long long ago my friend and I would say "semicolon however comma"
@JacobRy3 жыл бұрын
@@rowan4684 no
@stellasdoesstuff3 жыл бұрын
That's almost correct! There are other uses for semicolons but using one in place of the word "because" is one possible use. Basically a semicolon can be used to connect two clauses which grammatically should be separate sentences and turn them into one sentence. The word "because" can do that too, though "because" has additional meaning, saying that the second clause is the reason for the first. For for example: "I like boats; my sister likes trains." is a correct usage of a semicolon, but it's closer to meaning "I like boats and my sister likes trains" rather than "I like boats because my sister likes trains"
@anamae036 ай бұрын
I have a degree in English, with an emphasis in writing. I took Advanced Grammar--it was the hardest class I took! My professor said, "People who learn English as a second language go home and cry at night!" I've never forgotten that! lol Keep up the good work!
@enycha223 жыл бұрын
I JUST WANT TO SCREAM THIS; THE ANIMATION IS JUST-----WHAT WHY ARE YOU NOT FAMOUS??
@isnakolah3 жыл бұрын
When the video began, I was like, "Finally, my problem will be put to rest", now I am just a very informed fool😂😂😂😪
@pppppaaaaaccccchhh3 жыл бұрын
'tis the only way
@ethanrepublic3 жыл бұрын
3:23 wait a second this isn't Journey across Japan!
@evolutionxbox3 жыл бұрын
I could hear it in my bones before I knew what it was.
@ethanrepublic3 жыл бұрын
@@evolutionxbox I was looking away from the screen and I had thought I've been transported to another dimension
@mewheni3 жыл бұрын
I have located the fan club
@harsh5424-wastaken Жыл бұрын
I always love to say this to my friends "I will English however I want as long as your English agrees with my English" Language is just for communication, having so many rules and saying there's no room for fun mistakes really is plain old boring!
@maximusmidnight25913 жыл бұрын
"ever-evolving blob we call language" I love that
@BKearal3 жыл бұрын
When you feel transported to Abroad in Japan at 3:27
@MathRTD3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for that comment
@lemoniscate3 жыл бұрын
I legit thought my autoplay just skipped to an Abroad in Japan video for some reason
@theonecallednick3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha. I thought it was just me. Anyone know thw title of the BGM?
@uema3 жыл бұрын
@@theonecallednick Racing Hearts 3 - Martin Landh
@theonecallednick3 жыл бұрын
@@uema Thanks! Have a good day!
@lucadivine38623 жыл бұрын
It's actually really simple: a semicolon separates the cost from the effect. Oh wait, we're not talking about yu-gi-oh cards, are we?
@nicolepettit51202 жыл бұрын
Watching this deep dive about English grammar has me curious whether your first language was English or something else, namely Tagalog. It also reminds me that I would love to find a video (or make one!) about the connections between Tagalog and Spanish. It's kind of like the English and Latin situation, except with vocabulary instead of grammar.
@islaymmm2 жыл бұрын
English is heavily influenced by Latin in terms of vocabulary though, probably way more than grammar actually, through Anglo-Norman French
@Arkylie2 жыл бұрын
If you happen to find or make such a video, I would love to be informed about it! The odd connections between languages that would seem distinct, that's the sort of content I appreciate when delving into the oddities of language.
@LisandroLorea3 жыл бұрын
For those talking about semicolons in programming, they were initially used in a similar way than in natural language, as a separator. When you wanted to put more than one statement in one line you would put a semicolon between them. The newline was the actual terminator so putting a semicolon at the end of only one statement was just redundant, but many people did it anyway and later other languages started using it as a statement terminator, one of those being C.
@thetntsheep40753 жыл бұрын
English at school was very frustrating. We were forced to use at least one of each form of punctuation (yes, including ellipses) to get full marks. Agh! Glad I'm doing STEM now 😅
@luangu3 жыл бұрын
"Gee..., and here I thought: 'I'm going to learn something.'; but alas... I didn't?"
@raspberryjam3 жыл бұрын
Well either way, you've strengthened your knowledge (:
@KangJangkrik3 жыл бұрын
Grammarly approves this
@Liefx2 жыл бұрын
That song at 3:24 always makes me think of Chris Abroad's Journey Across Japan
@elietheprof56783 жыл бұрын
The fundamental problem is that language is linear, while knowledge is fractal-like. So no matter how you write, you're always trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
@Deschutron2 жыл бұрын
Commas and full stops (periods) let you group your linear text into a tree structure. Semicolons add another level of branching in case you need it.
@electronicmemory3 жыл бұрын
my very intense feelings about prescriptive grammar as someone who learnt english as third language summarised in one video under 15 mins,,, thanks you for this!
@kanucks93 жыл бұрын
"Kinda like rests in music" No! Like 'breath marks' in music. Sheet music literally still uses commas.
@omnitroph15013 жыл бұрын
Well yes, but actually no. A breath mark is a pause, and rests are also a kind of pause. Punctuation was intended to cause a pause, and is therefore similar to any symbol in music which also causes a pause. Therefore, commas, which cause a pause, are similar to rests, which cause a pause, and are also similar to breath marks, which cause a pause. Perhaps breath marks would have been a better analogy, but far fewer people have heard of them, so it would've been slightly confusing.
@cathorion81373 жыл бұрын
Cello player here. For string instruments the comma/breath mark thing mean a bow reset, so go back to the frog. Yes, it is called the frog. It is the hair of the bow closest to the hand.
@emmabennett39853 жыл бұрын
@@cathorion8137 isn’t the frog the chunky part of the bow at the end. And the little white spot in the middle is the eye of the frog
@cathorion81373 жыл бұрын
@@emmabennett3985 Yea, but i have never heard of the eye of the frog, sorry!
@emmabennett39853 жыл бұрын
@@cathorion8137 you don’t have to apologize for being wrong! Being wrong is just learning something new
@amai_zing2 жыл бұрын
For me, the issue is that in many contexts, you don’t have the ability to ask the author for clarification (or maybe it’s unlikely they’d respond). Yes, laws is one such case, but books, posts from people with enough followers also are in that same space, to me. So while it’s probably not important for someone in the same social circle or “group” (because you can follow up with them), outside of that, clarity in original writing seems necessary, in my mind
@colinf39633 жыл бұрын
My greatest achievement in life is having more confidence in the use of a semi colon than tom scott.
@ionaspolitis3 жыл бұрын
Actually, what in English you call "semicolon" has existed for centuries in Greek, but with a different symbol. In most languages punctuation marks are the same, but in Greek it’s a little bit different. The Semicolon symbol in English is actually the symbol used for the Question Mark in Greek, and for the so called "semicolon" we use a symbol called “upper full stop” or “upper period” (άνω τελεία) which is just a full stop but written a little bit more higher up. This symbol is commonly used in Ancient Greek, as it was more of a poetic language like all the other older versions of languages like Shakespeare-time English or even Latin. Which in all cases punctuation served a big role thus the use of this symbol. I am not 100% sure if what I am saying is correct but I know for a certain that those two symbols have the exact same meaning in those two different languages, and knowing that languages have shared characteristics in the past, I don’t think that this is just a coincidence.
@fghsgh3 жыл бұрын
I can confirm that greek ; is a question mark, but I'll add that this semicolon symbol you're talking about could also be used as colon, and about as often.
@Vinemaple Жыл бұрын
I was really hoping the Greek speakers would get in on this... my own knowledge was too sketchy for me to bring it up!
@ionaspolitis Жыл бұрын
@@Vinemaple I am Greek 🤓
@Vinemaple Жыл бұрын
@@ionaspolitis I know, that's why I'm happy to see you commenting here.
@PatsuanTV Жыл бұрын
Interesting! That upper full stop reminds me of this in Japanese: In Japan, names are always written in Surname-Name format. When you have a borrowed word, a dedicated alphabet called Katakana is used. If your name is written in Katakana, when you write in Name-Surname style as usual, you use similar punctuation: エバーガーデン バイオレット "Evergarden Violet" becomes → バイオレット・エバーガーデン "Violet Evergarden" like this. They also use randomly sometimes in between katakana words. Ellipsis (three dots ...) are also made using the upper full stop like → ・・・
@HamzaSayedAli3 жыл бұрын
HOW COULD THIS POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN DEDUCED BY THE CLUUUEUEEEEEE
@answerinprogress3 жыл бұрын
?! = punctuation music = punctuation was like music heart = punctuation is like feeling I KNOW IT'S TERRIBLE, I'M VERY BAD AT THEM.
@ennemuk3 жыл бұрын
what the hell @@answerinprogress xD
@rainerahlfors2 жыл бұрын
And the secondary main use of the semicolon (which I did not see anyone mention) is to separate items in a list; items which themselves contain commas. Examples of fruits are apples, pears, and oranges. Examples of foods are fruits, like apples, pears, and oranges; vegetables, like carrots, potatoes, or lettuce; and grains, such as wheat and rice.