Why Seraphine is Everything Wrong with Modern League of Legends

[@Gamemaster13000]

Fun reminder for all the simple minded idiots out there who attack game designers: We can still be upset and criticize something harshly WITHOUT wishing ill will on the people who made it. :)

[@Gamemaster13000]

@@TheRealTimeline Bruh, I'm taking this 100% as a joke but it's only fun WHEN nobody gets hurt. We just want to express our opinions, not ruin someone's career.

[@NayrAnur]

Imagine thinking vanilla is bland... 😂

[@squidboy6404]

I know why riot makes sexy character because they love boobs like me

[@chajei9885]

@NickyBoi this guy like @Time:Line is the kind of people you have in your channel? Literally asking "where is the fun in that?" About not attacking game devs violently. Fucking pathethic, probably feels too powerless in his real life and the only way he can feel gratification is by being an absolute fucking beta on the internet. Jfc.

[@squidboy6404]

@@chajei9885 love love boobs, and be proud of it

[@IIMoonWalkerII]

If you listen closely, you can hear Nick's soul dying over the lack of new monster champions.

[@doofs]

The real monster, was the corporate machine we've built along the way.

[@bigterry5005]

That’s his soul being sucked out by premiere pro

[@eugene12310mobile]

Tbh I am waiting for new monster champs too, hell even just a human with a monster would satisfy it but Riot is cashing in hard on pop culture

[@jordancherepanov8557]

We could've have gotten a monster like champion with the Ruined King in 2021 cause the teaser and the quote leads to him but the teaser/cinematic called Ruined King makes him to be like a anime main edgy antagonist or a from a emo boy band. Also seriously there a ton of reasons that look doesn't fit Ruined King examples are lore, plus this make him look like a Ruined Prince than a King

[@Needler13]

@@doofs sexy girls sell more than monsters?! Who would have thought?!? Seriously, this is such a non issue for an essay. We already seen what the pop fans loved and it's the dancing and pretty girls. No shit they will sell more of that than monsters, one brings in more views.

[@에리치-b7j]

in my humble opinion, Seraphine should have been a siren (or a banshee), it fits the music concept also the more dark and badass side of the world of league but then it also has potential for a rlly hot and cool champion.

[@JordanRA]

You can make sexy characters that appeal to the general audience but they dont have to be fucking kda pop stars 24/7 lol. But obviously they don't see it that way.

[@333catgirl]

exactly ! i main eve because she is a succubus and theres smth really dope about having some form of back story but seraphine just kinda floats on her hover thingie and has an ult that is waaay too strong -__- idk i enjoy league because of all the different types of fantasy-like champs and abilities but seraphine as she is right now just seems a bit boring to me. wasted potential.

[@tra12048]

They even could've kept that weird fucking stage thing that they decided to add to her in order to differentiate her from Nami a bit more. What with two half girl half fish champions inevitably looking really similar normally. Then the stage would actually be pretty neat! It would be how she gets around on land! Or, they could've gone with the bird siren route, and finally had a third champion with wings in the game. (no, Aatrox and Swain don't count. I'm talking *permanent wings* here) And there would be multiple different ways to make her design different from Kayle and Morgana. It really wouldn't be hard. BOTH of these designs would also still fit the "cute anime waifu" design philosophy, while also still being more interesting/fitting to the world than what we got.

[@lexxxx8500]

When i first played lol I thought sera was a siren lol

[@izzefidget6015]

thats an amazing idea i didnt even think of that. and her backstory probably wont be a fanfic!

[@jackiem5703]

seraphine's lore of "she can hear dead people" makes me think she'd fit much more an aesthetic of a wailing banshee ghost from shadow isles. but no, it's pop star barbie apparently

[@ibrahimcandogan7124]

Yeah and she could sing to calm down the lost souls or something or she could be a siren from bilgewater who lures pirates and eats them She could have gotten a kda skin with this kind of lores too

[@absentcoder4552]

@Zildjian Dela Cruz Honestly her aesthetic brought Zoe to mind for me. Something that tied her into her; like maybe was more or less blessed by her to be a catalyst for Brack Lives.

[@spritepine5345]

Her design makes me think targon But no she is a "zaunite"

[@coollightcoollightmeltdown12]

@@ibrahimcandogan7124 the idea of her being from bilgwater and lureing it's pirates is really cool like maybe she can take the form of beautiful sea mermaid than when someone come close to her she than BOOM turn into a scary sea monster devour them and use there souls to make her voice stronger that could've been interesting and China would get there sexy girl they want and we could've gotten the monster champion were dying for and Riot could've killed two birds with one stone like that and we also would've gotten another water themed champion in leugue since the only ones we have for now are nami and fizz but NOPE kda pop singer first and foremost

[@owlblocksdavid4955]

New skin now riot

[@xenny6463]

And the fact that Riot didn’t include her in “Arcane”, not even one word about her existence in Piltover, explained just everything XD

[@valensioc]

she was literally used as a cash grab LOL

[@libertyhk]

Don't Jinx it....

[@xenny6463]

@@valensioc yeah I know, and it was really profitable move, but since she was put in Piltover they could at least mention her for a second XD

[@hawthornedouglas]

Arcane was started 6 years ago, way before they even thought of Seraphine. If they have a second Season I don't doubt they'll add her in.

[@tawelwchgaming8957]

Arcane was supposed to come out last year, then the pandemic hit which slowed them down. so they prolly were gonna release her after Arcane

[@Soahi]

For me she is perfect material for evil character, like a twist villain. If she would be a psychopath posing in fake photos to manipulate people and harvesting souls to make her voice more powerful, that would be kinda interesting.

[@adoroselatte]

Yes

[@federicobutcher953]

That would be sick.

[@kpopfan246]

Right, I could easily picture her being like Nui from Kill La Kill. Cute, bubbly but cold-blooded as all hell.

[@llll-xh1qr]

Still would've been weeb bait, and a purely capitalist adition to the game

[@remi9385]

Yeah. Like she's some kind of psychopath who want money and fame. Then she actually hates her fans because she thinks they're disgusting. Wow now that's a bit like Yumemi from Kakegurui...

[@Jesus-wp7dg]

If Seraphine is actually a sociopath like Jhin that gathers fan through music before killing them and fueling her music with their souls, then I might consider enjoying this character

[@rKhael53]

Technically she's not that far

[@starsymcdoodle6965]

That would have been dope! They could've made her a siren-esque monster or something. We were robbed :((

[@zippo718]

You think Tencent will allow that?

[@theonlychickensama8353]

@Xen Glaris they were always puss puss

[@franciscoaa1954]

Do u mean she is not?

[@L7Mcmacdaddy]

Riot: "It's our 2nd music champ" Bard: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@yamato8000]

Poor Bard, man

[@thescrub7682]

You forget riot wants to completely forget about all monsters except the most popular ones.

[@ethanalspencer7294]

'2 Samurai' The fuck is Master Yi supposed to be then, yeah he's not as literal as Yasuo but he's clearly Samurai inspired

[@ryanterry4268]

I know Karthus is more wizard, but isn't he also a singer?

[@myriadofcolours9861]

Yeah, the 2nd music champ Bard, and then Seraphine.

[@vaporeon9912]

Imagine if she suddenly apeared on Arkane season 2, solving every single problem with her singing and *good vibes* and the series ends with a musical theme and a new Seraphine skin

[@atroe143]

There would be bomb threats to riot headquarters

[@babyteeth39]

Just thinking of that is giving me a headache 💀

[@minchi_the_aoigirl]

She's still a kid there

[@Shockz0rz]

Don't you put that evil on us

[@javxion6576]

I wouldn't even get that mad if it makes the lol players whine.

[@EL-ISS]

I haven't played league for a while so when I came back I deadass thought Seraphine was a new Sona skin lol.

[@stevenwun4359]

I thought it was a lux skin before I knew her kit.

[@110montauk8]

Youre not too far from the truth

[@bird330]

When i saw seraphin i just couldn't stop thinking "but dosent sona do this exact thing?

[@HeLithium]

Me too! When I picked up wild rift last year after 4 years not playing league I though she's Sona rework lol my classmate even laughed at me about that

[@loganbenson2725]

I was about to comment the same thing but thought I should check if anyone felt the same. I was like, did they change sona’s name?

[@IzzielBaksai]

I just realized that Riot hasn't released any monster champions in a long time. No, Fiddlesticks, you're a rework.

[@NayrAnur]

Sit the fuck down, Volibear! You don't count either.

[@doublesalopetoimcre]

Tahm Kench the River King 2015 'cos ivern is an ent yeah yeah tahm is a daemon but it is the closest thing for a beast :D

[@doublesalopetoimcre]

@OHGAS lillia is bambi from a disney movie, senna is a weird undeadish lady.

[@Schweigetherapie]

A very cool one, tho

[@asta9586]

Dont hate seraphine she not wrong just skill 😢

[@NOWNVATTU]

I like playing Sona and seeing her being shadowed by belle delphine it pains me

[@Bunny2319b]

Seraphine > Sona

[@NOWNVATTU]

@@Bunny2319b true

[@yourlocaldemon2195]

BELLE DELPHINE LMFAO IM DEAD

[@sups6192]

@@Bunny2319b Nah

[@kaminaridenki._.]

@@Bunny2319b Nah

[@justv7536]

A better way to write Seraphine would be to *make* her a sociopath, make her someone that forces others to enjoy her music through brainwashing or something. Use the good girl look as a cover for her truly dark personality. If she was it would make sense why she'd continue to use the crystal, and why a generally gothic city has grown to enjoy pop music, Hell, it would even make for good lore writing characters that know of Seraphine's horrid personality.

[@joanofarc9793]

I’d stop hard camping S*raphine players if that’s the case

[@nonechico]

That'd be actually good, sadly they wouldn't do that because an "evil" character is not milkable enough. They want people to see her as a cute, hardworking gal, going after her dreams and so on.

[@irjiiu1041]

​@@nonechico don't you worry, people will fall hard on the evil sexy charismatic character that is cute on the outside but rotten on the inside. As long as they give her solid personality and eye catching appearance.

[@topsecreturl]

@@joanofarc9793 SKARNER REWORK IS HAPPENING. BOYS YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO.

[@originaluseername]

“sociopath” wow so a better way to write a character would be… stigmatizing mental illnesses bc “mentally ppl bad”. good god this comment section’s language makes me want to take a long walk on a short plank JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

[@nunote2362]

She talks about helping people find their voice, while literally stepping on an oppressed race to amplify her own voice. How do you screw up lore that badly?

[@sarcaustic1]

HAAHA

[@Mycenaea]

It mirrors these SJW warriors in real life though, so even if they screwed up(because it wasn't intentional) it actually works.

[@theabysswalker1966]

Funny part is they removed all the mention of skarner and his race and now she doesn't know about them just for her to be more appealing to the audience. They went out of their way and changed the already bad and pointless lore to sell more skins. Like its not about league anymore. Its about money

[@nunote2362]

@@theabysswalker1966 mhm, if she doesn't fit the world, just change the world, because she's the kda champ, and makes the money.

[@theabysswalker1966]

@@nunote2362 hold up what i wanted to say is they removed the mention of them in her lore and interactions with skarner to make it like she doesn't know anything about it and abusing their power to spread hApPiNeSs, they still exist in league universe

[@glasslilacs]

I feel so incredibly bad for the Lore team at Riot. These people who you can tell genuinely love writing bios and stories and even entire comics about their characters, diving deep into the world and making cool colorful tales about what happens to them in the world. And then the marketing team, champion team, and Tencent create shit like this. This that no one cares about. Shit that doesn't fit on Runeterra and basically have nonexistent lore. If i were a story writer, I would hate having to work with something this poorly implemented and obviously created just to be a pretty face that makes money. The entirety of Seraphine is just so very sad.

[@gwenz3605]

Maybe the people in riot are stressed so they made seraphine fast so they have no time to work pls give them a break they are fixing it

[@wraith6233]

The entirety of seraphine is the opposite of sad

[@rKhael53]

I think someone have legitimately made her Runeterra lore understandable with a dark interpretation.

[@tomlee7572]

Tencent is not involved in anything, they bought riot because its profitable and will generate profit for them and that's it, i dun think they have change any employee or interfere in any activities related to making the game

[@travisprescott9708]

If it didn't make money they wouldn't have done it, blame yourselves

[@theinsanityarc]

The problem with seraphine and KDA is that the band contests of a ninja, a succubus, a fox succubus and a girl from the void, and now they added a new member who is just a pop star. There's no point in making a KDA skin if she's already a popstar. It's like making a ninja skin for akali or an angel skin for Kayle.

[@fevierenie671]

> angel skin for Kayle You mean, Inquisitor Kayle skin?

[@Guarder_Sol]

@@fevierenie671 I don't think there's anything wrong with Inquisitor Kayle, to me at least it's at least a different take from Base Kayle.

[@demonslayer4951]

What's your dumb point? It's just a game. Game=fictional characters. Whatever u say, it's just a game gosh🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️. If u don't like their way of thinking, then uninstall the game. Bye!

[@lokksiders__2151]

@@demonslayer4951 It's because we like the game that we care about it. I won't even comment about it if I don't care about the game.

[@theinsanityarc]

@@demonslayer4951 what's your dumb point? It's justca comment. Comment=some random opinion. Whatever you say it's just an opinion gosh 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️. If u don't like my way of thinking then don't look at my comment. Bye!

[@A-bp9hq]

can't believe they did the concept artist THIS DIRTY.

[@crazydragy4233]

Only the most basic designs are allowed. Creativity is banned

[@maizjsj]

Imagine that concept art paired with an opera theme. A Piltover soprano with a fucking powerful voice.

[@gabrielbaima7891]

What are you talking about "no monster characters"? Seraphine is the biggest monster I've seen in runeterra's lore

[@liaml.e.5964]

She achieved what no other villain in Runeterra could... Destroy LoL 🤣

[@yukinamiuka]

She's a human actually

[@Thirteenloki117]

@@yukinamiuka yes but she enslaves skarner's kind and uses them to sing

[@yukinamiuka]

@@Thirteenloki117 she didn't know what is inside the hextech crystals she only heard them

[@JohnWhitneyTheFourth]

True

[@dunterriker3301]

I picked up league right after Seraphine was released, and when I say “right after” I mean that she still cost 7800 essence in the store. My friend introduced me to KDA after I played for about a week and then I looked at Seraphine and the first thing I said to him in response was “so KDA was just made for seraphine?” He told me that KDA existed for a while before sera was teased to which I responded “so sera was just made for KDA?” To someone who had less than 15 hours in the game, it was obvious to see that she just didn’t fit in with the rest of league

[@ngefy]

z

[@H-Nish]

Hey we have the same profile picture (unfortunately, as of June 23rd, I have changed my profile picture to that of a thingamabob)

[@papasscooperiaworker3649]

why would KDA be made for Seraphine

[@sorcierenoire8651]

@@papasscooperiaworker3649 its a joke

[@Levi_The_One_The_Only]

@@ngefy z

[@draxxlie8311]

I’ve never played league of legends in my entire life and I’ve never seen this character outside of just cosplays and yet I was still so invested in this video. Good job.

[@aqua4200]

I don't know guys, her story seems like a fanfic made on wattpad is so cringe it's so shameful that even fanfics are better than that

[@Dreams2D]

It would make sense if a wattpader actually made Seraphines Lore

[@Marie-lz4ll]

I mean fan fic writers care about the lore

[@mrszmatan2727]

@@Marie-lz4ll I mean some fan fic writers care but are just horrible writers with 0 experience, and its something what I would rather respect than someone with 10 years of experience who doesnt cares and makes what is popular at this moment to make money

[@imalive6583]

oof

[@milesph6905]

@@Marie-lz4ll as a fanfic writer Yes. I came to League for the lore and that's it. When I couldn't handle the gameplay, I just went to the wikia. 👍

[@kirxee]

I wish Seraphine was just Sona KDA skin.

[@coraliacries4209]

Y E S

[@yukinamiuka]

Seraphine doesn't hate sona so why does Sona mains hates sera?? They are just ungrateful that sona exist

[@farzalou2154]

@@yukinamiuka frustration. Why would you play sona when seraphine exist ? Im not a sona main but i think its pretty obvious they hate seraphine because its litteraly sona but better. And you will probably ask 'why they dont just play seraphine then ?'. Have you heard of nostalgia ? Sona is one of the oldest character and outside of minor rework on some spell property sona is still the same. She is one of the anchor that keep the bond between old LoL and the actual LoL. I dont mind seraphine but i would have love that her kit was not so similar and superior to sona.

[@farzalou2154]

Out of subject : I enjoy counterpick a seraphine player with sona because i love the feeling of superiority i get from it when i won. Its very satisfying. 🙂

[@yukinamiuka]

@@farzalou2154 as a sona and seraphine main why not love both if they are so "similar"?

[@nickylag3912]

"2 music champions" It ok Bard main, I feel your pain too

[@seanbrannigan2317]

"a more rhythmic music theme, where you are casting spells and every 4th spell echos, kind of like how music is made on 4s." - So is Jhin just a joke?

[@HappyHakkitoSmiles]

@@seanbrannigan2317 the funnier thing is, Seraphine actually makes fun of Jhin for it(which not only makes her a bitch but also making fun of a person with presumed OCD and ADHD). She goes out to say shit in 3/4 time up killing Jhin. (3/4 simplified is just going 123 instead of 1234.)

[@LunarEdge7]

@@HappyHakkitoSmiles Jhin really has those sicknesses? I thought he was just an overly sane serial artist.

[@Azoth_exe]

At least Bard is interesting and has a good story

[@HappyHakkitoSmiles]

@@LunarEdge7 presummed, he has several of the symptoms, the obsession with perfection, is one I will touch on the most. Whilst not confirmed of OCD, Jhin is definitely a mad perfectionist. Some Symptoms of OCD are meaningless repetition of words, Ritualistic Behavior of Social isolation, repeatedly going over thoughts. Sound familiar? The repeated 4's? The isolation using a mask? The counting when he walks? His only focus in life if only pure perfection in his performances.

[@LioTangg]

Thing I hate about Seraphine more than anything : She can hear the Brackern in her crystal, and it apparently doesn't mind its situation too much Ok cool, but what about the others ? If she can hear Brackerns so clearly and you really want her to be the good guy, make her an activist for brackern's rights or something like that Make her do anything more than sing the world's problems away please I beg you

[@amandaslough125]

Technically, she can tell the crystals are "special" but she can't actually hear them anymore, because they bandaged fixed it a few days after this video was made. She really should've been from anywhere else though.

[@LioTangg]

@@lukebrown997 Activist for the rights of a race slaughtered and then doomed to serve as a battery for the end of their existence ? Yeah I'd say that's a pretty good trait, but you do seem like quite a 5Head

[@itsJosii]

@@LioTangg tbh this whole Seraphine issue that we have here in the west just proves how sensitive we are about things that dont even matter who cares if kaisa represents the void when her lore is the most involved in the void next to malz and malz hasnt gotten a lore update in years. why are we crying that Seraphine in chinese ? like people in the west are are so oppsessed with race its crazy

[@LioTangg]

@@itsJosii I fucking swear I've read your comments three times now and I just don't see what you mean. Nobody said Seraphine was a problem because of her ethnicity, people are pissed because she doesn't fit and her original release was only made to sell a 30$ skin AND with a champ that meaningless they still managed to butcher the hextech/brackern lore

[@itsJosii]

@@LioTangg I’ve seen people get mad about her race they say things like why is she Chinese when there’s no china in runeterra ? also i can totally see why someone wouldn’t like the fact that her lore as it is just a slap to the barckern but people don’t have a issue with her lore in china and eastern regions why is that? I think it because people in the west don’t like how seraphine looks and so they hold onto the lore as a reason why they dislike her when its not that bad realistically. Even if sera knows about crystals she isn’t entitled to help them at all. Obviously this is just my opinion based on what ive seen the most

[@auntradiance1398]

"true damage was done so dirty" Pentakill cries in the corner EDIT:this aged like milk

[@adamnesbitt11]

Pentakill got two albums and they're pretty sick, I'd rather they didn't milk it for cash

[@evelynn5552]

I heard from a friend Pentakill is going to get new songs.

[@TYFLOL]

Mate last pentakill was one of the best proggy metal records of the year wtf haha

[@adamnesbitt11]

@@TYFLOL need a pentakill x Meshuggah release haha

[@TheLux008]

Ngl I expected the new Pentakill album to come out with Rell. I'm pretty sure Phreak even says something about "heavy metal" in her champ spotlight, and the song they play in it sounds like it could be a Pentakill song.

[@viklifts-zk8bl]

This was by far the most hyped Champion release and the community's reaction ranged from "meh" to "my disappointment is immesurable and my day is ruined". Hope that gives riot a message

[@karlkhai51]

I think it would depend on the amount of money they make.

[@kertz2282]

@@karlkhai51 they would still make a lot of money from China so they wont care about their audience from the rest of the world

[@dynamid4540]

yet everyfucking single scumbag i see playing her has the release skin. talks volumes about what other people think

[@theshanamaster]

Doesn't matter, people still will fap, which brings the money in

[@trucquynh3948]

i mean have you guys ever actually played her? she's pretty good tbh

[@graylordofgrain]

In Senna's defense, she can turn into a screaming cloud.

[@hanshysher6266]

Pyke and Senna are both Ghost, league community will cry each time a Zoe gets added to the game

[@cthulaid9894]

Ya got me there mate

[@Nuuhku30]

For some reason I both hate and love your defense for Senna, I love them character. But the term screaming cloud gives me a nauseous feeling

[@rachelroyce4619]

And she turns others into monsters therefore a monster multiplying champ

[@NightshadeNate]

@@hanshysher6266 they aren't monster champs tho

[@vannah_04]

I feel like they could've actually done something cool with Seriphine's lore. Like it would've been so cool if she was like, this rock star from Zaun who uses voices of the dead against her enemies or something. Not only would they get to use the lore and add another music character, but it would expand their audience to those that are into rock/alt music. But no we need to pander to even more K-pop fans and China. 😐 (Edit: not shitting on kpop fans btw. I'm a kpop fan. I'm just sitting on the pandering.)

[@Bivuki777]

Think it would have been cool to play around with the trope of a witch that uses the life force of others to extend her life, like some kind of siren that looks like a hag normally but uses magic and illusions to lure people into a trap and kill them, or have an ikr that reveals her true form and she’s a monster. But nah, let’s just make a popstar.

[@luuggy]

I dont get the big deal, she doesn’t need a big lore to be in that world, in fact it makes her 100 times better to be a more “normal” lore, giving it more credibility to the world of Piltover where obviously normal people exists, musicians… teenagers etc

[@ahstiasummers5583]

@@luuggy In the universe of League, Piltover is most recognized for their hextech and technological advancements. When someone says "steampunk", your first thought isn't really towards their musical tastes. Sure music is there, but it's not as big as technology.

[@ChromaticEagle]

Wouldn’t your idea be pandering to rock fans? Why is that acceptable but not pop?

[@hijo5966]

​@@ChromaticEagle The world building should give you an idea of what the appropriate music for the region. The steampunk, victorian aesthetic of piltover feels like classical music would be played more there. The grimy, seemingly lawless region of zaun but in contrast to the clean technology of piltover definitely feels like something as rock could be developed as they aren't supposed to be sophisticated. The indie girl thing that seraphine has going for her is way too hyper modern and way too 'real' for the world of runeterra, even moreso kpop. Seraphine is like putting billie eilish in runeterra; it doesn't make sense for the aesthetic.

[@paperman2097]

Lore update : Cho'Gath eats seraphine and takes her place

[@akumu7132]

Big twist

[@hijixincorperad]

YEEEEES

[@Pootis-Spencer]

Gragas comes to Piltover and becomes a pop star

[@thedesertfox6889]

@@Pootis-Spencer Well, I'll say. I can't disagree with that statement if we're gonna get that thicc ass KDA Gragas 😂

[@Enmaphy]

YES YES YES

[@massivesteve9547]

Her stage is literally powered by the souls of the innocent...

[@yukinamiuka]

What about camille?

[@yukinamiuka]

@@flinxium most of them uses hextech powered gadgets sooooo......

[@yukinamiuka]

@@flinxium idk who designs Camille the thicc cyborg

[@bioniclink3026]

@@yukinamiuka Camille didn't *know* that. Seraphine's original lore had her knowingly use the souls of the innocent.

[@nikolaikolev8252]

Sera is Belle Delphine

[@yoqueen9366]

Honestly, Seraphine should have just been literally KDA Seraphine and have been a special outside character that only exists in the KDA universe. And her Runeterra version should have been a skin. That would have been super cool and much more acceptable.

[@zidna656]

If that were the case I would be praising them for being "so innovative" and doing champions on their skin universes. For a long time I thought that was going to be the case. But no, we are here, with Sona 2.0

[@exo_eve7575]

That would be cool! Thats what they should have done cuz they clearly put more effort in her kda persona than the Runeterra persona.

[@yoqueen9366]

@@exo_eve7575 yeah! Besides, the presence she has on social media always portray “KDA SERAPHINE” not runterra seraphine.

[@PotholedAxe9985]

This, plus a kit rework, and I'd have loved her.

[@RaulGomez-ty6cb]

If they do that, you destroy the Lore of the game bro they can't do that 😂😂

[@Biochemitra]

I remember when Illaoi and Rek'Sai came out, and I was celebrating the fact that the homogeny of female champions was being addressed, and that we would get a golden age of diverse female designs, monsters of every gender, and reworks of the more unsightly designs. What an optimistic child I was.

[@rainc.9620]

such a step back for female champions in league

[@veng3r663]

Monsters of every gender ?? You mean TWO, right..?

[@Biochemitra]

@@veng3r663 No, I mean *every* gender.

[@treedude4246]

Yeah i used to be really impressed in leagues designs

[@usnerdswillbenerds4889]

@@veng3r663 I agree with you, and tbh, even if Riot bends the knee to such a ridiculous request as "every" gender, it can't be done. Even if they retroactively started changing the gender of every champ in the game, you wouldn't have enough to match up with what they're talking about. People who think there's more than 2 almost infallibly end up being or already are the same people who believe that every gender is as valid as the last, and if that's TRUE and they're not FULL of it, then that means the literal thousands of genders people have been making up over the past half-decade could never possibly all see the light of day in league much LESS be portrayed "properly." You're gonna tell me that not only Riot is going to kowtow to a fan request for representation, but they're gonna do it for over a thousand champions when we haven't even hit 200? Are they gonna hunt down every person who claims to have a new gender and make sure it gets into the game? Are they going to let those people be the design lead to ensure that they're properly represented? Also funny that in the original comment, it's stated MONSTER of every gender. Are you claiming that all of these other genders should be represented by MONSTERS when they haven't even been represented by HUMANS yet? I would hope not, that seems rather callous. But of course this is just what happens when someone ignores clearly observable facts about the world in pursuit of some vague ideal for what they want the world to be. It's fine to want the world to be different, and to change the world. That's how some of the greatest events in history occurred. The issue is when in order to chase that "dream" you spit in the face of history and what is indisputable fact that has been settled for centuries and is only just now being called into question NOT BECAUSE new information was found/discovered/proven to suggest otherwise (which would be FINE) but rather because a new group of people is arising in society claiming "This is my truth!" And for some reason the entire rest of society is supposed to just be like "A'ight man. You right." That of course being a joke, because you would have just "misgendered" them and then you wouldn't be arguing about how it makes sense to claim you are something you are not, rather you would now be having an argument of "Why would you say something so mean and insulting/invalidating?" I'm sorry for going off on this tangent when it's primarily about league champion design, but frankly I'm sick and tired of seeing societal parallels in my videogames. Much like most other people, I come to games for an escape from what I'm seeing take place in the real world, yet it seems every time I boot this game back up, or watch community videos/talks, it is the same bs they're arguing about in the news. I obviously have my own opinion on this, and frankly as hard as I tried to make a convincing argument, my expectations (which I would prefer to be subverted) are that this will fall on deaf ears. Especially since this is planted in a small reply section people are liable not to see, much less read. TLDR; If I could properly convey my thoughts in a TLDR I wouldn't have wrote all this. Either read it, or admit you don't care about a stranger on the internet's opinion and that you only wanted a summary that you could easily poke holes in due to it being a non-comprehensive SUMMARY.

[@toddwilliams8128]

Sona is a valued member of Pentakill. For that, she will always have my love.

[@the4given196]

Now we only need a new Pentakill event. Imagine jhin as a bassist and yas/yone as lead/rhythm gitarrists (don’t know about drums/singer didn’t thought about that cus we prob won’t get metal themed skins cus kpop sells better)

[@Mr.JoJo21]

Was gonna like this comment, but I refuse to be the one to mess up the 420 likes.

[@toddwilliams8128]

@@Mr.JoJo21:D

[@huxleyable]

@@the4given196 Pfff new pentakill event. HAH! Yeah sure, cause Heavy metal sells more than K-pop in Asia.

[@sapphirepup200]

@@huxleyable there is was no mention of it being sold more in Asia. It probably would be most popular in the states.

[@Society42069]

Funny how the bands that league invented are as successful as their real world counterparts. K/DA - appeals to the masses just like pop, k-pop etc. True Damage - has a big and dedicated fan base but not as successful as pop Pentakill - has been around for the longest time and has a lot less fans just like all the metal genres.

[@hadison6838]

People love K/DA just because of its K-Pop element. It was released during the great K-Pop fever when everything was either BTS or Super Junior. And it's getting better(or worse) from there.

[@HTemplar]

Are there true damage fans? Lul

[@Yanquii]

@@HTemplar there’s a lot, they’re just not some cringey fan base who make fan art about shipping different characters from the same group. Rap/Hip-Hop listener aren’t those type of « fans ».

[@vazanere]

People can't jerk off to Pentakill or True Damage. Everybody can jerk off to KDA, which is why it is so "popular". Just a company exploiting people who exploit more people.

[@hadison6838]

@@vazanere Well, they found their target demographic, then.

[@coleslaw5713]

No way in hell does seraphine belong to piltover . Arcanes piltover shows a damaged society where advancements in hextech lead to more disaster up top and an underground society full of criminals who have had just about enough of piltovers topside. Piltover would literally be like a Gotham city. Piltover is shown to be classy and prestigious I don't see a pop star strutting around

[@assiaelmabrouki5552]

That's exactly my main problem with Seraphine. What the hell would she be doing in Piltover of all regions?? In fact, her concept itself doesn't fit in the universe of LoL. It's kind of a waste. Piltover is a technology filled, dark and prestigious academic place. So please what on earth would a pop singer be doing here? Riot doesn't make any sense

[@amandaslough125]

@@assiaelmabrouki5552 The best part? I recently got into Genshin Impact. That game has their own innocent, adorable idol singer, beloved by her home town, that just wants to sing to make everyone smile. Except she actually fits into the lore of the game, since she's the head of the church in her local nation, while connected to other characters and storylines. And her personality is written more like what Seraphine should've been to actually translate her K/DA persona into the lore (more soft spoken and dreamy, actually sounds in line with all her style of music, etc). I love her for this reason. Even if I don't use her in game anymore. The real issue is they were forced to lock Seraphine as a piltover popstar. I know people stuck speculated her being a siren originally, but she should've been something like a new addition to the Solari, so Leona is not the only "good" Solari, and her idealistic nature would work better with such a "religious" and cultural society on Targon instead of the economic and scientifically driven Piltover. She needed to be somewhere else.

[@luizotavio44]

@@amandaslough125 because of all the glitter people thought that seraphine wouldve been an aspect of music or something like that which wouldve been better

[@lmahu6627]

I like how Seraphine's solution to unite Piltover and Zaun is by singing. Like, is this a Barbie movie?

[@thenarwhalman8941]

Remember the era of Riot, when "silent" champions came out after each other? (Gnar, Bard, Rek'Sai) Honestly, I want that back.

[@hanshysher6266]

You mean shushubana, Tilin tilin and the chilles frog?

[@thenarwhalman8941]

@@hanshysher6266 I guess so(?)

[@UmDevoto]

@@hanshysher6266 i was about to say some gnar thing 🤣

[@QyanLy]

Rammus ... Ok

[@ivorymantis1026]

Play DotA, those times are gone. Tencent is in control and they say "cashgrab generic anime females only".

[@lintecassidy206]

She could be interesting if they would recognize how she’s already pretty evil, and is stepping on the voices and lives of others while pulling in the vulnerable for the sake of her own benefit, but that would be making a statement that comes uncomfortably close to how they’re doing things, soooo...

[@sandwichmonster7067]

BUT THEN MUH PURE AND WHOLESOME KAWAII DESU WAIFU WOULDN'T BE AS PURE AND WHOLESOME ;-:

[@Vargas3499]

Her character fits so much better in that context.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Ya know exactly her fans would fucking detonate.

[@DanishHellhound]

That would also go well with the "influencer" vibe, since she is all about (in the end) self-gratification even at the cost of others misery. could actually make for a very twisted and interesting champ :o

[@ammagon4519]

Haven't known league that much, but I thought that's her actual character? That she's a "haha I'm funny and quirky but I'm actually a psycho" type character? Apparently that's not even the case and she's being portrayed as nice lol

[@txt_masteer9492]

"New champions are variations of sexy men or female" That aged well

[@the4given196]

Ruined king they said Sexy kpop boy we got

[@jacobb5484]

@@the4given196 when I heard Ruined King I imagined something like Leoric from Diablo.

[@potatosummoner6296]

@@the4given196 Viego's lore has always mentioned him to look like that

[@frufru4860]

Why would an old guy fall head over heals in love? Why would he neglect his duties as king? It only made sense he was young and naive

[@awthorne9877]

@@LowkeySosa Well besides the drip jacket he has he can look pretty I think, but from what I remember the Mist doesn't alter your phisical appearence, besides you know the color palette swap

[@heyfell4301]

Honestly, if she was actively an inventor, a technomancer specialized in sound and she herself wasn't a pop-singer but actually a scientist like the rest of Piltover who just happens to use soundwaves as her weapon, it would be so much better. Make her normal look be her KD/A skin, and give her a steampunk design, make her only sing because she needs to, you can still make her hear the brackern, but make her act on it, make her character arc be a war against the Ferros and the rest of the Hextech users by having her be assisted by the crystals themselves and be an insanely powerful technomage who's willing to go against the system. Make her be SOMETHING. In this state, she's just a cute e-girl who's funny to play but who's still Riot's biggest failure.

[@lonely0nly]

Well, LoR team tried to do it, and now Sera atleast looks like an Piltover Inventor

[@heyfell4301]

@@lonely0nly yeeeeah, a friend of mine showed me how she looks in LoR when she released and I swear to you my first reaction was: "why isn't this the Seraphine we have in the game?!" She looks awesome on those arts, she has that "steampunk musician" vibe there that the team completely failed to capture (or even better: didn't even try to include) when they made LoL's Seraphine. Such a shame.

[@Un4tunate_]

Seraphines KDA lore isn’t even good. “Hi I’m a sad relatable depressed girl on Twitter. One day I released a cover of a super popular song and now that super popular band is like “BRO WE WANT YOU TO SING FOR US.” And now I’m rich and famous. Also I’m still depressed please love me”

[@dcscruz2970]

Akali is the only saving point. And why so much for this yet true damage got fucked on the sidelines?

[@sweetrolldealer]

Thats kind of a slap in the face to the recent depressed artists who committed suicide, ngl.

[@dish_81]

Ikr that's pretty unrealistic

[@dish_81]

@@sweetrolldealer no but I think what's bad about her kda lore is the fact that she sang ONE cover (which a lot of people must have done even in their fictional universe) and kda just picked her up like "yeeeeee you gonna be promotes by us now". The depression thing isn't the trigger.

[@megjansen6900]

Uhm homie i'm not saying her lore is good but ur also neglecting the fact that she hears SOULS and some weird spirit thing is guiding her intuition

[@eugene12310mobile]

I would have loved a K/DA Sona skin. Even if she does not sing I do not give a shit. She has a DJ skin. Just give her the producer duty like they did with Yasuo on True Damage. As for canon League I would love to see more hideous (but badass) monster designs or hell even just give me another lore heavy character. Like as much as people complain about sexy characters, Samira actually adds to the lore of the game extremely well, FOR TWO REGIONS NONETHELESS TOO. I would have loved to see a Piltovian character which is more aware of the grit that the Zaunites go through and how fucked up the behind the scenes of how the society of two cities function. GIVE ME A FUCKING NOIR CHARACTER NOT AN E-GIRL

[@akirakilluar]

Agree. I mean True Damage Yasuo also doesn't have any line or sing in their song. He is a DJ of the team, then why Sona can't be in K/DA. She can play music or sample line from her music electric pad or something. Why bother invent Seraphine just to fit in K/DA.

[@samloresobrecarregado7467]

Alot concepts putbadas monster but riot put humans, sett was supposed to be behemoth darkiin but he is just a strong stupid man.

[@drakesacrum8445]

@@akirakilluar I think it's because Sona already has DJ Sona and Pentakill Sona, all in the same universe of K/DA

[@TwinklingMysticShot]

She could also have been "singing" in sign language. It is an acutal thing and it would be so cool if Riot included that in one of their songs! I'll leave a link from Norwegian got talent where someone sings in signlanguage, helping those who cant hear to understand the messages of the song but also helping the person "singing" to express themselves: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goLaYXWugpytqJY

[@walnut6922]

for the last time, she isn't permanently joining k/da 🤦‍♀️ she was just a collaborator, riot clearly stated that in the music video description.

[@exo_eve7575]

I heard people say that it would be better if she was like an opera singer in the base game and I really agree and think if fits better than a pop star. Still a singer but a different kind. Keep the pop star in kda but make her opera in Runeterra.

[@ihateindices]

b-but the market ain't into Opera, e-everything's all K-Pop and popstars and idols like, it's so much more cooler ohmygod Opera is sooo laaaame. /s

[@marcustrevor1883]

@@ihateindices Yes but then they could have still marketed the K/DA skin and at least it would have been different to the base skin.

[@ihateindices]

@@marcustrevor1883 too bad they're not gonna do just that, because they're just gonna ride the K-Pop train and vomit out shit akin to that because we all know money talks.

[@malyteusz555]

@@marcustrevor1883 what that guy said was probably A soyboy impersonation

[@ScytheManiac]

@@malyteusz555 /s stands for sarcasm

[@Frumpbeard]

Seraphine's Twitter would be so much cooler if it actually tied into the lore and teased anything about the actual character, like some proper foreshadowing and world building.

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

"Wild rift is definitely going to fail" Dont underestimate the numbers of people who cant afford a working pc

[@ScytheManiac]

in south america, more specifically brazil, more specifically rio de janeiro, you can't afford a decent cellphone without being robbed the week later

[@momoware]

The last time I played League PC was probably 5 years ago. Now I am enjoying wild rift. It's a lot more relaxing as a "game." For my PC I will stick to single-player games since competitive games just make me more tired...

[@majaditolovercjc547]

Greetings from South America 🖖 😎

[@SaltareObscurum]

Pc cost ~600? Smartphone cost ~600? Uhm what?

[@SaltareObscurum]

@Nour el deen Kamel but a good smartphone? And you don’t Need a good pc for LoL

[@tensho4]

I came back to league after a 2 year break, and when i found out about this character, i was convinced it was something like, idk, make-a-wish foundation thing and some terminaly ill kid asked riot to put his OC in the game.

[@catzor4795]

Jaximus > this thing.

[@LOLHAXGUN]

if you followed social media enough you'd knew it was just a cheap cash grab

[@foxyglad6578]

Same! And when I saw Seraphine i was sure it was based off Belle Delphine. I guess I was wrong in the end but just like Belle, Riot drained the pockets of simps.

[@ArukiTsukaru]

The only good thing about Seraphine is that when she came out, I saw a lot more ppl playing Skarner... Like no joke, I had one every 4 or 5 games lmao

[@Pootis-Spencer]

It's a boicot, get ready

[@akumu7132]

They are preparing... for the ANTI-E GIRL OBLIVION

[@alexale5488]

I want more Skarner alike champions. More monsters .

[@Enmaphy]

I added Skarner to my champ pool for this very reasons. I almost only play Cho but if I see a Seraphine before i lock in, I instapick Skarner and divebomb her, even if it loses me the game. Fuck this shit.

[@coollightcoollightmeltdown12]

Will it seems like it wasn't a total loss

[@Hemlocker]

"I miss your kind too, Skarner. Would you like to hear their song?" is the most fucking insulting line in the game. It makes my skin crawl.

[@Gahanun]

Wow, her other concept art looks really great with the steampunk elements. Such a shame they went with her current look.

[@misspoppyseed3909]

I think it fits well though, in a city with a giant statue to Heinerdinger and teenagers with flying skateboards isn’t exactly strange in Piltover. I think she fits right in!

[@Elaydzha]

@@misspoppyseed3909 you know what steampunk means?right?

[@Elaydzha]

Put her next to blitcrank and mundo and tell me how tf are they from the same place

[@arontuske9348]

@@misspoppyseed3909 Heimerdinger was one of the founders of the city. Said skateboards are powered by either chemtech or hextech or steam, designvise they look like something Nikola Tesla would have made. It makes sense for them to be present.

[@fiona8117]

yea but she’s supposed to be a girly popstar so that steampunk shit doesn’t match

[@peagames2002]

As a non-LoL player, I can actually understand why my boyfriend feels so disgusted every time he sees Seraphine being used by someone.

[@spritepine5345]

I respect him for not making you play the game

[@moonlitequimby847]

I think she's kind cute....little bit...... Just saying.

[@alilabdi2318]

@@moonlitequimby847 well thats the problem

[@kostasspirou1010]

@@moonlitequimby847 she looks super generic, can't even call her cute tbh

[@pitadude9836]

@@moonlitequimby847 she's "League of Legends Barbie"

[@professorwatt7344]

when I first saw sera in game my first thought was "Why does her hair have a better render than poppy's hammer" and ya know. I understand that now.

[@theskeptic777]

Lol best part is she is one of the best mid/supports now in the game thanks to the buffs and new items Talk about curb your hate train.

[@OwlmasterTheCreator]

Because poppy's model is very old? Rells lance is modeled amazingly because she's also new. That was quite a silly question to ask

[@Raiko01]

I saw a joke the other day regarding Viktor's skin that came with release. ''Samira's ass has more poly count than Full Machine Viktor'' I wonder why

[@addamazeing]

ehhhh, a bit of a stretch, compare nearly any champion model to an old one (ehem, Udyr) and you could reach that conclusion for literally any champ

[@ap3xls329]

@@OwlmasterTheCreator really silly to assume game devs shouldnt update older characters lmfao

[@TheGreatSeraphim]

As someone who mained Sona for years, Seraphine's existence is an insult, especially when Sona's last rework years ago was so halfassed and Seraphine was the kind of champion people wanted. The kind that could actually be played in the midlane again. "More wave clear please" - People "Okay, so get this, instead of Q hitting one target.... its hits 2 targets!" - Riot; Years later Sona knockoff gets 2 double AOEs and her E which usually gets cast immediately after W anyways is mashed together freeing up a skill slot for something actually useful. Seraphine's ult is a literal copy paste of Sona's but a bigger and better, more current lol standard version. Also PS, Sett is a stolen Vi rework. It's so f'in obvious. Vi's been in need of a rework for a while now and Sett's kit is basically Vi's but polished to current LoL standards. Maybe if Arcane had come out sooner Vi might have got it with her more Asian appeal look she has in Arcane. I strongly suspect Yone was a shelved Yasuo rework cause they didn't want to mess with his iconic fart moves. Viego gives me Aatrox vibes.

[@MastaGambit]

I havent played league in several years, but i remember VERY well how good Vi always was as a bruiser, so the fact that i'm now currently reading someone say that Vi is "in need of a rework" has me absolutely shocked like WHAT how can the state of league's balance actually be so absurd that Vi of all characters is in need of a rework lmfaooooo

[@thatdude9198]

Honestly i think yeah Seraphine is a sona rework but sett and vi ? They have similarities but no not really. Yas and Yone are.supposed to be similar(like im smash Echo fighters) After all they are Brother And viego and aatrox, yeah i can see what you mean, but still not really Like dont get me wrong i get what you mean, but they are still not the same well besides Seraphine and sona

[@zafe1142]

Sett and Vi are two completely different champions.

[@gracetaylor2767]

YES SOMEONE SAID IT THANK YOU. I felt like they should've reworked Sona with Seraphine's abilities so she can go mid etc. And you noticed the whole Sett-Vi thing like YES MY FRIEND (Sett's ult and Q are very similar to Vi's and I honestly think Riot wanted a new champ but resorted for a Vi duplicate in a way). Vi needs a massive rework to keep her up to Arcane standards (her voicelines are sassy and aggressive but it doesn't entirely suit the 'good heart' vibe Arcane set for her) and she literally just needs lots of things to be fixed up like her abilities and damage etc. Also, didn't notice the Yone / Yasuo one, so thanks for pointing that out! :)

[@zafe1142]

@@gracetaylor2767 Arcane is not canon.

[@motnurky7055]

Imagine if Seraphine was a Piltover citizen who was cursed with her hearing powers and, after being cast out for protesting about Bracken crystals, turned into a Zaunite Banshee

[@specificocean4176]

you have just made a better lore in a single sentence

[@monunivers1394]

You just created the Seraphine rework

[@anarchistlilia]

Love dis one

[@jhulvincentcalabia4784]

Zaunite Banshee sounds like a pretty cool idea though..

[@zekiragray]

Riot should take notes from you

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

Dota 2 new hero: Grandma with a shotgun riding a dragon. LoL new hero: edge lord or waifu.

[@xilofone8166]

runeterra's EVERYTHING is about MAGIC and yet they can't make a FUCKING WITCH

[@samloresobrecarregado7467]

@@xilofone8166 lissandra technically is.

[@xilofone8166]

yes but also ANOTHER HOT BABE

[@Guarder_Sol]

*Looks at the Ruined King that comes early 2021 as a teased upcoming Champion* Y e a h h h , that's another to the Edgelord pile-- But then again I'd take the Ruined King more than the Cashgrab Belle Delphine.

[@xilofone8166]

And yet The first king ever in fiction with no beard

[@colinmassah9906]

They could’ve put Seraphine in Targon. They could’ve made it so that she ascended the mountain and became the aspect of art and music or something. She feels out of place in Piltover if not Runeterra in general. And I was genuinely excited for her release until I found out that she’s low key trash in her own lore.

[@Taiiveon]

I would’ve loved that, that would makes sense!

[@xxOnigiri99]

Her being the aspect of art/music would be a really interesting lore. She wouldn't need that hoverboard for starters lol. She could literally ride music waves

[@PotholedAxe9985]

This is one of my favorite ideas of how to improve her lore. Either that or just make her a special character unique to the KDA universe, where she's not in runeterra since they wanted to advertise her KDA persona the most. Either or would've been better than the half ass'd shit we have now. Plus more work on her kit. I could handle the ultimate staying the same if her other abilities were different. But thats crazy. Literally we got two champs in a row where they copied another champs ult and made it better (samira with kats ult, except she can move during it. Seraphine with sona's ult, except it extends after each person it hits.)

[@Lolz172]

You know why this sounds so sad (for Riot)? It’s the fact the outsiders like you are able to come up with actually wonderful concepts for champions meanwhile the people at Riot are regurgitating cheap fanfics for their new champs. :(

[@jackofhearts1067]

The Aspect of Muse would be an interesting idea to spin on. Like singing is only ONE of the things she does as an ascended being, and have her inspires mortals to become better than their formal selfs in preparation for the terror that is about to come to Runeterra. And after that, they can design her kit around buffing allies. It could still be music if they want, but having her as a Muse opens up many other opportunities. Like poetry, dance, sculpture... that would be a whole lot more materials to draw inspiration from. Then her K/DA persona is just ramping up her music side in this alternative universe, which would be perfectly acceptable if not welcomed, considering how the 4 main members don't even have any musical stuff related to their base lores.

[@DinkaKay]

Took this 9 months to be reccomended to me. Preach fellow lore lover. You had a very mature take on this... I didn't treat them with the same kindness 😂

[@vinnie906]

Seraphine should've just been Sona's KDA skin tbf

[@mochiiattoo]

Me: they making sona a new definitive?! My boyfriend: nah, is a new champion Me: ._. Riot what the fuck

[@ValkyrionX2]

Well They probably think Sona could fit but she is mute, they can't unmute her so they make Sona 2.0 to fit into K/DA.

[@nechocat1234]

@@ValkyrionX2 they could tho, for a legendary or a definitive skin it's all fair

[@belivuk2526]

@@ValkyrionX2 They could unmute her actually. Skins are altered realities and events, completely different worlds. In KDA world Sona could have found that crystal and used to channel her voice per say or just had the voice since birth, why the heck not think of anything? But it wouldn't generate the "new champion" hype

[@foultarnished0101]

Thank you!!!!

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

"Helps people find their voice." By stealing the role of the original mute champion. I see what you did there, Riot. Low blow.

[@bandeirarv]

My girl Sona don't deserve this 😞

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

Creativity is heavily absent inside the corporate overlords brains behind Tencent's design principles.

[@dau351]

i don't want to have ill will but I really miss when League was fun. F* Tencent

[@jerrycarrion5358]

What creativity do you expect from a Chinese company?

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

@@jerrycarrion5358 miHoyo is rather Creative but not in the correct path.

[@HiHello-jo8tp]

that's the thing with companies relying on creativity. Creativity can't run free if it's tied down by the fact that something is created for the purpose of money and not art/enjoyment/etc.

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

@J C what do you think of Mihoyo's Genshin Impact creativeness?

[@Orionuki]

I think the problem with Seraphines design vs Sona is that her design is to close minded. A pop star that’s it and there’s nothing you can do to change that pop start musical aspect of her. Sona has a lyre and you can do so much with that like giver her a valentines one or a arcade and maybe a coven next year. Sona’s design works because you can expand on her idea. Seraphine however can’t be expanded because she was made on a simple on dimensional idea and nothing more and you can’t change Seraphine without the pop star aspect of her making anything she has like skins all just be a pop star with a different coat of paint.

[@Vxllps]

They had the opportunity to make her like a "Cruella de Vil" type of character, shes basically slaving Skaner's specie to sound pretty!

[@sickening_love1154]

I actually hate her for that lol she has a horrible line against Skaner too about using Skaner's kind.

[@whiteangel1138]

@@sickening_love1154 at least it will makes sense since if she's an apathetic singer who used someone's freedom to build a trend, she was designed to be hated, kinda like Vayne or Swain. Riot makes her have good intentions, which totally contradicts her actions lol.

[@sickening_love1154]

@@whiteangel1138 I'm sure it's on purpose but damn, could never like her despite how much riot tries to make her seem like a good person.

[@whiteangel1138]

@@sickening_love1154 I think so too. Riot totally went: "since she knows hextech made out of a corpse of a living creature, let's make her a hoverboard out of it and make her sing for them! She's such a good person for doing that :')" They totally don't know what they should do with Seraphine and it shows lol.

[@weedAndTransRights]

@@sickening_love1154 funniest part of her lore is that no one but together the horrific implication of her using hextech crystals until post-release, and as soon and fans pointed out what a shitty person it made her they retconned her lore to make it ambiguous whether or not she actually knows that they’re corpse crystals

[@flamingwheel9926]

Btw, the company that made this... Thing, MADE THE MASTERPIECE THAT WAS JHIN AND REWORKED FIDDLESTICKs, like, when did it all go downhill?

[@cennix]

FR. Jhin is literally a masterpiece

[@L.A.M.B_B4]

And Pyke, Aurelion Sol, Warwick rework. I could go on about my favorite champions. It's not the game I love anymore.

[@bestnameever1850]

when they realised they could make 5 times the moeny for a tenth of the effort with shit like this

[@baconboi4482]

It’s been going downhill for a while now

[@protato8789]

China happened

[@Shythalia]

Annie could've at least have an outfit change or something but still look similar to her original design. Seraphine is just a Chinese magic pop star Barbie. If you've seen Barbie's Princess Pop Star movie, you'd see what I mean. lol Sona with a K/DA skin would be really nice.

[@mslightbulb]

I knew that outfit looked familiar.

[@izummiaw3010]

Owh, she is a Pop star? Her outfit design are Kinda confusing tbh, ;-;

[@Shythalia]

@@izummiaw3010 Yeah, she's supposed to be a popstar from Piltover. And I noticed she has fairy wings in her splash art which is kinda confusing to me.

[@delafontainedoes]

OH MY GOD YOU'VE CRACKED THE DA VINCI CODE I KNEW I'D SEEN THAT LOOK BEFORE SOMEWHERE LMAOO

[@Shythalia]

@@delafontainedoes lol

[@KarTheWanderer]

I have never in my life played LoL. I know basically nothing about the game, but a relative who does play got me into K/DA and the story animations. As someone who only knows LoL on a surface level, Seraphine came out of nowhere for me. I wasn't really a fan of her. Maybe she'll grown on me with enough exposure, but my initial gut reaction upon seeing MORE was that she felt out of place

[@blastingsmite4533]

and then about 3 months later they turned the ruined king, who could've had a really cool threatening scary design that truly shows how powerful he is into a damn highschool emo anime protagonist

[@Sangu799]

+1

[@monstermaker73]

Won't ruin the 69.

[@CaeCzar]

Ive always said, MORDEKAISER is a cooler ruined king concept than Viego by miles as a character.

[@tenderandmoist5011]

@@CaeCzar dude that's just a given, no matter what they do to Viego he'll just looks like a Mordekaiser wanabe, and i wish they had stuck to that and make Viego looks like an actual corpse of a pathetic king ruling over a pathetic replica of the death realm, and i wish they gave him more relation to Morde consider the whole trapping the souls of the dead thing

[@L.A.M.B_B4]

@@tenderandmoist5011 I thought he would look like the lich king, would've been epic.

[@flexchagalaga4477]

I can only laugh at the thought of using Seraphine's marketting strategy on some character like Aatrox. Just like a tweet on a tuesday afternoon: Just massacred a frejlordian village! LOL I'm so crazyy 😋 Like what the hell

[@decal4707]

aaaaand now i want a time traveling darkin with a Facebook account.

[@specificocean4176]

im sure everyone would love that

[@sparrowjanitor1272]

What's makes this hilarious is imagining Aatrox actually doing something like this.

[@jolynesbuns4765]

I'd like to imagine that all of his text is full of typos because of his giant fingers

[@williamhagood]

best comment

[@drake8281]

I'll reinstall League of Legends when they finally release the Ultimate KDA Ornn skin.

[@Gatoxintoga892]

Dude that skin will break the entire League server with Ornn's sexiness to the point they will upload it on Ornn Hub

[@ChocolateGenious]

@@Gatoxintoga892 The only one thing that RITO can do to make me play this crap again.

[@oniemployee3437]

I'm already in love with Ornn. Seeing a K/DA skin of him would make me feel some things in my pantaloons.

[@lili.-.9243]

at least they dropped an elderwood ornn (for fucking sakes they dropped a skin 3 years later)

[@mvmlego1212]

Even if they were dead-set on expanding the KDA brand, there were so many more-sensible ways that they could have done it. For example, a KDA Manager Taric skin would have made a lot of sense, at least given his reworked lore.

[@axlemoo]

her lor redesign is amazing and gives her character so much depth (and makes her appear like a zaunite/originated from zaun)

[@BoostedMonkey05]

LoR yes. League no. Tbh, her newest lore retcon and redesign in LoR doesn't really fit the genre of music she sings. Yes she wants harmony between piltover and zaun but Zaun and piltover are entire different places with different attitudes to each other. And TBH, the least common denominator of both societies is their underclass. So what kind of music has its roots in disenfranchisement of the underclass? Rock n Roll. Specifically punk rock which Zaun borrows its aesthetic from.

[@kindred4564]

Seeing the China explanation for sexy girl character right after Gwen was revealed...

[@to3d]

I take Gwen over seraphine cause at least it makes sense for her to look like that

[@dusansubotic6502]

@@to3d Bro she was a doll turned into an anime character... come on now.

[@to3d]

@@dusansubotic6502 yeah but there’s at least a reasoning behind the anime appearance. Also many people do like that kind of character style, so riot should be aloud to market it. What makes seraphine bad is the fact that she looks like she was meant for a whole other universe in many peoples opinion, like star guardian.

[@jamesluccin4553]

@@to3dallowed*

[@to3d]

@@jamesluccin4553 sorry

[@tomthelordofzaun8375]

Funny enough, at this point Gragas (of all characters and was joked by Necrit for a good time now) has MUCH better lore and motivation then Seraphine. Crazy right?

[@incredibilisman2909]

Yeah Riot we need KDA Gragas

[@tomthelordofzaun8375]

@@incredibilisman2909 pls no

[@MrSolomonGaming]

The thing is, Gragas' lore fits as it has him travel everywhere. He wants to brew a perfect brew so he traverses all of Runeterra for ingredients and brewing techniques. Eventually bringing him to Freljord where he uses True Ice to permanently keep the Cold Ones at perfect Temperature. With updated writing you could keep that concept and fit many a story of him going literally everywhere to find what he needs. Have him in Ionia learning the secrets of their sake, have him in Demacia getting into Bar Fights and learning that Magic has a good use in brewing, have him in Piltover seeing factories that produce the best drinks and sharing his stuff with some wealthy investors. He's a fun champion being a literal drunk brawler that wants to make his own World Famous Brew.

[@tomthelordofzaun8375]

@@MrSolomonGaming I honestly have a idea for him, what if he meets Jax? The 2 of them fight, Jax wins but think is strong enough to fight the void and he convinces him by telling him that after the battle is done, he will help Gragas get his hands on some of the ingredients and techniques of the old brews from heres homeland that have been lost and forgotten.

[@Pootis-Spencer]

You know you are unintresting when a traveler that just wants to get drunk has better motivations than you

[@misko5877]

Rest in peace Pentakill, even if everyone forgets you, I won't :'(

[@andros.1833]

da

[@bullphr0g489]

@@riven4121 I fucking wish, mortal reminder is my favorite.

[@lozername2743]

I wont forget the best lol band in history

[@KhadaJhin04]

I'll say it, I don't care, it's been over a year and I still feel the same about seraphine, she's that one girl who makes me roll my eyes in cringe Everytime she posts because everything she says is centered around how many uwu points she can farm from her army of simps

[@saarahor.8281]

Uwu

[@mistahchad220]

Wholeheartedly agree, and I'd like to add a point alongside the cutesy parasocial bullshit: the fact that she's supposed to be this compassionate activist type of character, and yet does /nothing/ to even understand why Zaun and Piltover are eternally at odds. They could have made this work as her being a naive girl with a savior complex, yet they treat her mentality and methods of "combating" systemic oppression (i.e. just fuckin' sing pop songs in the street and hope unity happens) as something substantial. I still fly into a blind rage every time I see that picture of her tearfully eating ice cream while literally looking down at Zaun. It's such a perfect embodiment of people who talk a big game about changing the system, but do fuck all to actually help. I know this was a little off-topic, but I just wanted to reinforce your comment that nothing she says or does carries any actual /substance/. Everything about her is just fishing for unwarranted sympathy.

[@kevinz2738]

Champs are made with less love and spirit with each new one, or that's what I feel. Lets just take Ornn himfelf as example. His release came with this poem made of a combination of scandinavian languages. With also a beautiful and inspiring instrumental version. A character that resembles a part of what humanity (and mostly masculinity) values: an appreciation for hard and heavy work and craftmanship that someone has to do. His stories are told like myths to teach younger generations about what he stands for. Even with his power and status as a demigod, he respects the will of the humans and beings of his land, not liking to be treated as a god, he prefers humans to build and smith for themselves, and not as a tribute to him. This is why he acts the way he does in the game. He is like this grumpy grandpa that loves and cares about others, but doesnt want to be regarded in a special place and others to get attached to him and neither he to get attached. This is actually a character that can inspire people, or atleast remind them to a paternal figure in their lives, maybe a father, a grandfather or an uncle. I'm surely very wrong and not every character is as inspiring, but oh god, with Seraphine they just broke their own record when in comes to uninspiring an boring characters

[@21nyxx]

I still think new characters can be just as cool, but not as often, yone and senna had really cool releases with really good lore, same with fiddlesticks and voli rework. But in 2016 2017 they came out with kindred, jhin, ornn, asol and camille while we had yuumi qiyana and seraphine lol

[@specificocean4176]

thank you for giving love to my boy ornn

[@Sheat101]

Ornn, despite me sucking at him, is probably one of my top ten champions mostly because of how he was introduced to us. I usually hold back on buying champs on release, but Ornn was the first one to truly reel me in. The song, his voice, his LORE, holy shit-Absolutely amazing. I really like hardened blacksmiths in fantasies, because they're often grumpy, wise, and secretly rooting for you, and Ornn just fits that bill. Fast forward to 2020 and I get back to League and see Seraphine. I purchase her since, well, I main support. I gotta tell ya, no words can describe the disappointment I felt with her in my first match. While laning, I literally asked myself, "Hey, isn't this too similar to Sona?" For the first time ever, I refunded a champion. And I bought Sett, because I like his lore, and his kit looks (and feels) fun to play.

[@floraflowers]

I don't play League but I went on their website to read K/DA's Runeterra lore. I started with Evelynn and ended with Seraphine and even I was disappointed, I can't imagine people who actually do play LoL and are invested in the story and game. Her lore felt like the stories of those bad Naruto OCs we would see on DeviantArt back in like 2007.

[@ScytheManiac]

"i'm warm and fluffy.... don't hug me"

[@fixplease1234]

And with launch of this champ, two senior developer (new001, and morello), and senior artist from riot (Zeronis, who created kda Akali) left the company. Hmmm, coincidence? I know people were jokingly saying that riot is a new blizzard, but oh well. They did not have to follow every step of blizzard so quickly.

[@adamnesbitt11]

Morello is gone? Holy shit

[@Cerulean9242]

@@adamnesbitt11 ah shit

[@rattamytata1970]

@@Cerulean9242 It's why omnivamp and tons of lifesteal are in the game right now. They wanted to reduce access to healing in the new season because it was getting ridiculous, but the only thing they did was take out gunblade and replace it with something better for ap users, nerf conqueror healing but increase damage, nerf legend bloodline and replace athene with a wonky and half finished item (support items were obviously neglected, with a boring resistance aura on locket being the addition, Imperial Mandate not being released until the second wave of items on pbe, athene replacement not having ap initially) and making ravenous hunter a more all-around option. There's more and better anti heal options, but the new items overshadow them, and some items are just too good to be replaced. Even then, people can just go out of combat and heal for crazy amounts on jungle monsters or on the minion wave. But basically, they added even more healing to the game, while giving even more champs access to healing, and making lifesteal apply to physical on hit damage which makes it better.

[@91yugo77]

@@rattamytata1970 I can't tell if it's a joke or not

[@impendingoof964]

Everybody gangsta til Riot adds Seraphine to Valorant.

[@nerfprate]

KDA omen when?

[@impendingoof964]

@@nerfprate please no... just no...

[@theskullicorn4588]

@@nerfprate OH YESS

[@theskullicorn4588]

For real I want at least a valorant skin for anyone in lol.

[@desolator4662]

Honestly If they add her I'll play the game in hearthbeat. THIS BOOM STICK WILL CLENSE THE HELL SPAWN

[@Ayahuasca98]

She looks like those weird Disney princess edits made in 2011-2014

[@Toqq]

"wild rift is almost destined to fail in the west" *laughs and wheezes in south america*

[@pedrolazarovieirasilva1609]

É cara,nessa é improvavel

[@slavdoggo389]

Brazil e foda

[@sergiorubens8475]

N da mano, wild rift vai explodir aqui no brasil

[@slavdoggo389]

@@sergiorubens8475 fatos

[@federicofiordelli104]

@@slavdoggo389 Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, todos os paises da sudamerica vai a explodir com o jodo

[@spaceginger7627]

"An old man." Dude please, Swain is the embodyment of dilf.

[@What-fv1yl]

Lee sin is the Best dilf

[@The_fusion_physics_guy]

Dude this made my day

[@tonyramirez5707]

Graves says hi

[@violenciarivas7797]

braum anyone?..

[@mikecampau438]

Graves and gangplank do it for me... Idk

[@robinnohood5557]

And the fact that she speaks Chinese too. Clearly shows what's on Riot's mind.

[@ProwerAdmirer]

錢

[@britneyspheres7yearsago11]

And the fact that she doesn’t recognize Taiwan as a country

[@kostasspirou1010]

@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 bing chillin 🥶

[@hemicardia935]

Being a half Chinese American, at first I was like "Oh, cool, they're actually using Mandarin!" but then I remembered that it's 2021, Tencent is a thing and China owns most of the farmland in the US and I was like, "Oh no...they're using Mandarin."

[@charissajeong7991]

@@britneyspheres7yearsago11 wait what

[@Dastankbeets9486]

The marketing honestly makes me so uncomfortable

[@SenatorDodo09]

at this point they have more money than they could ever put back into LoL, why not just slow it down and make actual good champions instead of dumbass money grabs

[@rommdan2716]

'cause Capitalism!!!

[@FeelTehPOWA]

Greedy corporate overlords cant get enough money

[@dani0718]

Because people keep buying them over and over, its really that simple let's be honest with ourselves here. While this Seraphine move was scummy for sure, if people wouldn't buy them they would most likely stop creating these things that only grabs money.

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

@@FeelTehPOWA LoL have a late/end game. Capitalism dont

[@catgg4019]

Thank you for mentioning the missing monsters. I always felt like that the champion design has gone lazy. To create a champion like Bard, Reksai or Zac u need a lot of creativity, but now all the new recent champs are like "A edgy demon ruler hot ghost man", "A hot woman, but shes riding a horse", "A hot woman, but she's not white?!", "A buff Fitness KZbinr" and oc "Belle Dolphine". WoW, MuCh CreATiVitY RitO

[@megch2884]

I hope Viegos wife will be a specter with no face or something with a huge needle or scissors

[@reshiiwakura]

@@megch2884 sorry bro

[@joaoman1139]

@@megch2884 sorry bro

[@thedailypersonsopinion2099]

@@megch2884 BOY DO I HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU

[@TakezoMushashi]

At least Viego is a cool design and idea. Seraphine is just capitalsm enhanced. We need a demon or darkin. A dragon or elemental. The fact riot is going down this path is actually ridiculous and sad.

[@BirdMorphingOne]

You know who was the last yordel character? Kled. Literally over four years ago.

[@21nyxx]

All the yordles beside kled and gnar have RLLY FKIN annoying kits and laughs so i am completely ok with those stupid ugly raccoons not being in the game

[@sargnargthehardgeharg4684]

@@21nyxx I mean you could easily consider kleds kit annoying as well, he one of the most braindead champs. If you have half a brain cell you will stomp most players with him

[@BarryMikokinju]

+1 Nyx, yordles can die in a ditch for all I care. All of em.

[@snorresnorre123]

It's ok. Kled is the only cool yordle and I would like to keep it that way.

[@rev418]

@@snorresnorre123 Gnar is cool

[@ScoobySnax.]

I watched this whole thing and I don’t even play league. Good vid man, imma sub

[@bjaui]

Are you sure Seraphine isn't a monster champion? Seems like an abomination to me

[@forlexer]

U right

[@Significantharrassment]

Dude monster champions are WAAAAY better them her, she's an abomination yes but not a monster

[@marcelovieira519]

What did my Cho'gath did to you? Why would you insult him like that?

[@jaidvirasmr]

ouch

[@DrageLee]

She's a disgrace to even monster champions

[@aurelcsizmar193]

The saddest part for me about this whole drama, is that we (most likely) not gonna see any new Pentakill albums, or skins. Riot told us in the past, that they liked heavy metal. Riot doesnt wannt to even be itself anymore...

[@decal4707]

it’s tencent now, no more riot games. if heavy metal doesn’t sell in China, no more heavy metal for us.

[@vicnad92]

@@decal4707 yup. Its all what China/Korea wants. Tencant (riot's bitch) doesnt care about other regions. So much for spitting onto the actual NA and EU fanbase that popularized this game.

[@madfall__]

Duuuude I know right.. been dreaming for the day when Pentakill would be back and throw this garbage out instead. They've done enough with this. Can we get back to the real cooler thing??!! Pentakill alpha

[@lillyanto6745]

I heard Pentakill is releasing a new album with the new Ruined King game, so there might still be hope out there

[@yukinamiuka]

@@madfall__ you just hate kda

[@joeyginise6051]

As an aside, whoever they got doing the illustrations fucking deserves a raise with the quality they are putting out. Also, Riot is a Chinese slave now. The delay suggests they definitely had something way better in mind. But then Tencent saw it and said, "this wont make money in China. Change it now." And Riot had no choice but to bend the knee to there new master.

[@gustavovingo]

China is just slowly taking over everything in the entire world

[@DepressedNousagi]

I wouldn't say Riot is a Chinese 'slave', since it implies they had to give something up for money. In this case, they are owned by China so they are legally bound to do everything tencent says

[@joeyginise6051]

@@DepressedNousagi And that somehow DOESN'T make them a Chinese slave?

[@DepressedNousagi]

@@joeyginise6051 A slave would imply that someone is forced to do a master's bidding. In this case, Riot willingly gave themselves to them for 400m dollars. Short term money is becoming a lot of company's problems.

[@joeyginise6051]

@@DepressedNousagi Ok, so they are China's bitch instead.

[@cheesecrow81]

They're only two of our music champions. Bard: *glares*

[@salvadorvega3805]

The fact that you didn't add sett to the list of sexy guy champions is making me die faster than Singed poison.

[@Taiiveon]

Sett > Everyone else 😗

[@salvadorvega3805]

@@Taiiveon you speak the truth

[@mikami9099]

same

[@Knitboy1997]

She would make sense, if in her lore she "wasnt a pure hearted MarySue whose only flaw is caring too much about others" stuff, but something sinister, making her look like she is too good to be real... enslaving people through her voice and forcing them to obey her orders while they "love and admire her". It could be even connected to Mundos rework... He could have been her first victim, then bodyguard, that is forced to endure her sadistic torture, under the command "survive" until his brain "rots away" and he runs off to vent out by torturing others...

[@zippo718]

She was made to get dat Chinese money. They aint making her evil.

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

Good but we know that It couldnt bê true due to the fact mundo is in love with heartseeker vayne xD

[@shem7146]

another edgy dark character, still pretty generic

[@nicolascardozo9236]

@@shem7146 at least she would have a motivation

[@Knitboy1997]

@@shem7146 Under "edgy dark" you can have multiple personalities and motivations... You can see for yourself, if you take a look at all champions you consider "edgy"

[@miriotogata1327]

They've been creating champions really fast. I remember I quit playing LOL for a month and when I came back, Lilia and Yone were on the shop. I was like: wait, when did they become that fast at releasing champions? In my opinion, I would prefer if they took their time to release a good champ with a good design, lore and abilities, rather than what they've been offering to us... Or at least, show some of the older champs a bit of love and rework them (at least visually)

[@21nyxx]

Well im pretty sure u just came back at the wrong time, they release the same amount of champs, but they release 2 champs within one or two monthes of each other and then take a long break. Ex. Lillia and Yone, Aphelios and Senna, Samira and Seraphine

[@arielmatiauda5110]

Most of the recent champs are cool designs, Yone has the same Q as Yasuo but play entirely different, Lillia is an original AP jungler, Samira is playing DMC on League, Aphelios, Senna is a Support ADC.

[@amberslahlize7961]

Saraphine should be an air head who doesn't understand hardship, that will make her seem condescending, but really it's just her naivety and innocence, though her conclusions for why hardship exists come across as someone who never worked a day in her life - and that would be right. Her appearance: She was a blonde but privileged girl before she was blessed, (blessed by who you wonder?) she listened to no one, cared not for anyone, only herself in maintaining her comfort in life (pampered by her dotting parents who constantly called her their "angle". Until the day finally came, where she would taste the hardship of empathy, during the war (the war between Piltover and Zaun), though her parents did well to keep her sheltered from such things, eventually though, the war came to her door step, she heard people screaming in the streets before, but seeing it was something else entirely. Her parents could not protect her anymore from the cruelty of the world, and given her rebellious and spoiled nature, instead of hiding from it, she ventured out to see if she could help. When she saw the destruction of war, and the blood being spilled on the streets, young and old laying dead in the streets, her heart sank even though she didn't understand, understand why all the pain and suffering. She only knew that she wanted it to stop. So while she was traveling through the bloody streets, taking in the ruins of a battle (while not trying to get herself dirty), she found a little boy laying in the street who was still alive, but bleeding badly. Saraphine ran to the boy, not knowing what she would do. She found herself driven by some unknown force which she had never experienced before; it was empathy. Her heart though sanking, was soring deeply with pain, she held the little boy's head on her lap, and for once did not mind the blood even as it was staining her cloths, the little boy unaware of his surroundings asked "Mommy?", this question struck Saraphine's heart cords, because she knew that no matter how she would answer, it would not be satisfying to one who was dying. All Saraphine could do was cry. And when she did cry, her heart began to sing, a song of mourning and anguish, and without fully understanding, she found herself singing to this tone in her heart. It was soothing to the little boy, for it was the song of caring, and the little boy thought he was hearing an angel. And in that moment as Saraphine continued singing, with her tears dropping on the boy, they began to heal the boy, for Saraphine was going through a transformation, with her hair turned long and pink, and her dress stained with blood now glittered with blue and white, for her heart was pure and clean, her voice even became more powerful. And onlookers who had escaped from the previous night's massacre (people who were in hiding during the slaughter) came out when they heard the song. Saraphine's voice was gentle enough to not harm the boy, but was actually strong enough to heal him, and yet her voice was powerful enough to penetrate through the walls of the surrounding houses. Her voice was an elegant mix of gentleness and strength, so that all who heard her voice, would not be deafened by it. So when those who were hidden came to see who was singing, no one recognized Saraphine, but her song kept their attention, even the little boy who was now healed, remained with his head on her lap, just enjoying her song. One little girl grasping her mom's skirt asked "Mommy, is that an angel?", this was Saraphine nearing the end of her song, so when Saraphine finally came to realizing her surroundings, was able to hear the mother's reply "That is a saraphine, dear, they are one of the most powerful angels." And though Saraphine knew she was not really an angel, she decided to let that title be her name, especially if it brought people comfort. So when she sat the boy up and he found his mom who had previously lost her son, Saraphine stood and came to realize her transformation, both accepting that and the people's attention on her. She realized her voice was powerful, and figured she must have been born with magic that only awakened just now. And that is where I would end Saraphine's story bio for now.

[@mollyclark6828]

I’ve never even played LoL and know nothing about it and I still watched this whole video and got angry about it lol

[@nerdytechs514]

Plz don’t it’s horrible.

[@strayiggytv]

Ha same. I'm honestly just tired of the sexy anime girl aesthetic in videogames period. Gimme more monsters.

[@Pootis-Spencer]

Another "never played Lol but watched Seraphine videos" bro-

[@lexverdi2821]

@@strayiggytv i mean they can do it but like...atleast do it well

[@SilverWarrior95]

@@lexverdi2821 "do it well"?

[@imaginarysora969]

I like how the comments here have more interesting would be backstories here than Seraphine's actual lore.

[@xxxuchihairl9732]

englidsh

[@_freezingfrost_6515]

I have a stroke reading this

[@eugenest]

What

[@Minishcap1]

Speaking as a fellow veteran player (playing since March 2010) this video says everything that I've been thinking. League is so special to me and it really hurts to see it turned into a blatant cash grab. Feels like riot doesn't care about western audiences anymore almost at all

[@magnuscritikaleak5045]

Riot is a shell of its formal self like alot of game companoes turned into Gambling Factories in America, Europe, china and Japan.

[@Vizible21]

Western audiences are the most toxic League community tbfh.. so who cares... They're entitled and would cry at even the smallest of things... Lol

[@xxkildarxx]

The western players drove a most of the western players. They also fail to do anything professionally on a world stage. Also theses "favorite" characters are not based of sales numbers but community gathered data.

[@cloa9203]

@@Vizible21 And Eastern servers aren't? Also is there even a way to determine which region is the most toxic?

[@SacredStarlight]

@@Vizible21 someone hasnt had to deal with constantly being yelled at in mandarin and then having the players run it down lane and afk for a support taking a single cs on accident or some other minor infraction. As an NA player, I keep seeing this happen more and more because eastern players come to our servers thinking itll be easy wins because we are westerners and get mad at any little setback. Every area of the world is toxic and entitled in some way. Kinda seems like youre projecting bud.

[@Mord12gp]

They changed the lore to much. The League of Legends used to be an actual thing in the lore. It was an organization if I remember right. You were meant to be a summoner (within the LOL) controlling if not the actual character but a copy of the character. The fights were meant to be used as proxy's to solve political distress in lieu of open warfare. I liked that idea but for some reason they got rid of it. It used to make sense why these characters were even fighting each other. Now, other then it being a game. What is the reason any of these people are fighting? Some of these guys are meant to be mortal enemies or actual gods (they changed some people to be gods by the way, they were never meant to be gods originally) They also made everything grey, specifically talking about Demacia and Noxus. Demacia were the good guys (think He-man and his team) and Noxus were the bad guys (Skelator and his crew). Now, I would argue that while Noxus is brutal it isn't out right prejudicial like Demacia is. Demacia didn't use to be like that. Take Shyvana. In the old lore, while she was feared because, yea, she can turn into a dragon. They didn't have to have J4 do some weird logic to have her on his team. And they didn't lock anyone up.

[@amandaslough125]

It retrained them. There's no reason a villain like Jinx would be considered a "hero" for the League of Legends. Now we have other morally interesting characters too. And they overhauled the lore in order to make it coherent and consistent. It was needed. Now they can use the IP in any style of game they want instead of solely on the Rift. It still exists though. Pulsefire Ezreal is a dimension hopper and hints at it. The original lore is now an alternate skinline. We just follow this other canon instead.

[@JackHails]

"we only have 2 music champs" - cries in Karthus

[@jaishkhan7442]

Cries in Jhin too

[@Bloomkyaaa]

@@jaishkhan7442 Jhin's not a musician though, he's an artist!

[@jaishkhan7442]

@@Bloomkyaaa oh i started to play him yesterday and he gave kind of a "Mexican Music" vibe

[@spritepine5345]

Techically yas is music champ too

[@earvindinoso7689]

with that in mind, then... Riot, fucking revamp the Pentakill skins! Especially Sona and ma boi Karthus.

[@morninstar_lucifer]

When you ban seraphine every match so pretty much she doesn’t exist

[@wtfer25]

If only i could ban her and fizz. Only got one perma ban though

[@hobbypsychologist6444]

Bro Iam Proudly avoiding her (ban or leave if picked) in every champselect since release.

[@toniokettner4821]

@@wtfer25 banning fizz is wishing yourself a terrible game against jhin, kayn, hecarim, kayle, fiora, samira

[@fallingdominos4916]

Nah all I do is just focus her, what’s that I’m the top laner and the Seraphine is support...aight time to tp down there with my whole team and only kill her. You bet when I get Ahri my charm is only gonna focus her in each fight

[@partyjerk]

imagine not banning katarina

[@dinonuggets7148]

Please give ornn his skin you promised riot

[@chosenofkhorne2951]

Riot: sorry who is ornn is it a new seraphine skin?

[@carolinekathleen5277]

please... its been so long

[@rasmusmalmberg6468]

At this point they're just dangling the skin in front of Ornn player's faces to keep them logging in. It'll probably never release either. Some kind of "Oh no we forgot haha" apology will be posted once per year.

[@evelynfarfellwooosh1219]

Seraphine could have been like an angel theme champ based on the name “seraph”

[@anungunrama9344]

"what is my purpose" You sell KDA skins "My god"

[@anotherpersonfromnorfolk1587]

Ezreal, Ahri, Evelynn, and Katarina: yeah welcome to the club pal

[@kikikillian1208]

@@anotherpersonfromnorfolk1587 Akali might join too

[@t0xic-]

okay but personally Evelynns skin is very nice 🤸‍♀️ the team did an absolutely amazing job on her and gave us a bit refreshing personality which you don't see alot in other games. _a playable evil character just_ *yes*

[@anungunrama9344]

@@t0xic- wow that is such a hot take I've never heard that before. What do you mean honestly millions agree with you I think it's good too but I want pentakill ;-;

[@stankobarabata2406]

@@anungunrama9344 Ah yes, before K/DA, there was Pentakill. Truly, those were better times kids. And K/DA is good? Bruh. I don't know about Kpop but this is the most cringe attempt at crowd chasing in the world. A crowd which doesn't exist in league, and I don't think it attracted any Kpop fans yet, outside the music videos. I've yet to meet a person who genuinely likes the K/DA group as anything more than fancy skins for their favorite waifu champ or whatever. Personally I find the skin line to be the most cringe thing that has ever existed.