Why So Many Hispanics are Catholic + How Voice of Reason Got His Start

[@BlessGodStudios]

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[@lestie1686]

Please check out message from heaven by Rachel lubbe and A lamp in the dark by chist pinto and before the wrath by ingenuity films for the whole truth.

[@felizamarro1508]

I am a new convert to catholicism. Mary actually bring me closer to Our Lord Jesus. Before that, I was lost in a mix of new age ideas and protestant views. No compromise or real worship. Until one day I feel inspire to recite the Ave María, and that moment change my life. I smelled roses in my room in the middle of winter and felt her warm love of Mother. She bring us closer to Christ in the Holy Eucharist. In the Holy Sacrament Jesus is really present and He share with us His tremendous and pure love. I can't believe I spent so many years away from the truth. She was the reason that made me go home. ❤

[@mrslorenahernandez3891]

@@felizamarro1508 wow thats awesome Welcome home

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

Thanks be to the Lord and hail our most blessed mother ❤️ She has brought many blessings to my life as well and your comment made me remember them and become emotional. Our mother is amazing.

[@edward1412]

SMH!

[@edward1412]

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

[@VirginMostPowerfull]

@@edward1412 Amen to John 6:44, this is why I am Catholic 🙏❤️

[@vman9347]

I don’t understand how Protestants are butthurt because our lady of Guadalupe helped convert 9 million people to the Faith.

[@sofiabravo1994]

They converted them to believe in Mary not necessarily Jesus and I’m Mexican American with families mostly in Mexico. I’ve seen cathedrals in Mexico with Mary up front abs Jesus in the back of the church….once we put something above God is it not idol worship?

[@sofiabravo1994]

And I’m not saying to forget Mary she was a blessed woman with a huge adoration for God but we shouldn’t put her on a pedestal she wouldn’t have wanted it either.

[@vman9347]

@ technically that isn’t Idol worship. In the Bible idol worship always involved believing that the Physical Idols made from whatever material was literally god. You see this in the final chapter of the book of Daniel and the Wisdom of Solomon. The Catholic Church doesn’t believe or teach that Mary is God but rather she is the mother of God. By definition that alone means it’s not idol worship. Jesus should be at the center of everything but Our Lady of Guadalupe has a special place for all Mexicans because that’s our heritage. She was the sole reason why Mexico and all of Latin america accepted the Christian faith. I can agree sometimes people can show too much affection to Mary, but as long as they think worship her as a Goddess then it’s not idol worship

[@annb9029]

Right Yes I mean Protestant don’t get they venerate the Bible we just venerate the whole church just not the book

[@edward1412]

@@vman9347 You create statues of Mary and bow to them and you think it’s not idolatry? I’ve seen Roman Catholics crying because a fire accidentally destroyed Mary’s statue.

[@TheProdigalPilgrim]

Greetings from the Philippines. Im a Guadalupano. Our lady of guadalupe brought me back to our lord Jesus Christ when this sinner was a lost apostate. Thank you brothers for taking the time to talk about this subject. Godbless.

[@beto8493]

You still have time to repent

[@felizamarro1508]

@@TheProdigalPilgrim so happy for you. Greetings from the south of Chile.

[@edward1412]

@@TheProdigalPilgrim “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

[@TheProdigalPilgrim]

@@edward1412 And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for God has looked with favor on the lowliness of the Almighty’s servant. Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed; for the Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is God’s name. God’s mercy is for those who fear God from generation to generation. God has shown strength with God’s arm; God has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts. God has brought down the powerful from their thrones, and lifted up the lowly; God has filled the hungry with good things, and sent the rich away empty. God has helped servant Israel, in remembrance of God’s mercy, according to the promise God made to our ancestors, to Abraham and to his descendants forever.

[@TheProdigalPilgrim]

@@beto8493 so do you. Ill pray for you.

[@gregoryphi]

Voice of reason helped me deepen my Catholic faith more than I can recognize. Praise God for his Catholic Church.

[@alexandergutierrez6209]

Viva Cristo Rey!

[@protestant77]

GOD says keep Sabbath holy. POPE says keep Sunday holy. ☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??

[@alexandergutierrez6209]

@protestant77 Pope is in communion with God.

[@protestant77]

@ More like rebellion!

[@luiscervantes1093]

@@alexandergutierrez6209 God is the same Yesterday Today and forever!

[@LeatherStraps-fm8dt]

Once for all the people in the back: Veneration does NOT equal worship.

[@rebecca8958]

Is veneration any more biblical?

[@RedRiverMan]

@@rebecca8958 definitely. why else would all the old testament prophets and the apostles erfer to God as "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" or mention other old saints? Why didn't they just always say "My/Our God?"

[@cami4CYeshua787]

​​@@RedRiverMan Because there are a lot of "gods" but only the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is the One True God. By specifying the patriarchs who worshiped Him first, we know exactly who is being described/referenced. Edit: The Jews have also strayed from YHWH many times, so that is why the specificity is necessary. Also, they view the name of God to be too holy to say, so they can't even use His name. Even today, they spell His name rather than say it out loud.

[@Serapholo]

Just because you say that doesn't make it true

[@annb9029]

Yes I mean Protestant don’t get they venerate the Bible we just venerate the whole church just not the book

[@l.b.d]

His debate against James White was excellent!

[@axxel9626]

Not really

[@leannewheeler5351]

It was a good debate

[@JoyTheDigitalKnight]

Yes, it's one of the best. James White got pissed at the end, saying he wouldn’t need human to tell about the canon or something along the line 😂

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

James White and Dinesh D'Souza need to debate. (because one of them has to win, and it would be the first win for either one.)

[@DrewH-u9f]

Irish ,Italians and Mexicans where all Catholics in America unite

[@markeithmollusk9503]

@@DrewH-u9f Don't forget the Filipinos!

[@MrAndrison6]

And don’t forget about Ecuatorianos as well

[@DrewH-u9f]

@ Yep !!!!

[@axxel9626]

Lol not italy, we remain Christian

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

México is doomed in corruption since they went anglo mode.

[@nataliaramirez8026]

I'm Hispanic myself but I grew up Christian Evangelical. I'm happy to see Ruslan have open conversations with a Catholic

[@stone0234]

Yea, the Protestants are trying to infiltrate catholic strongholds but what if I told you that if instead of the catholic Spanish, it were the protestant English to arrive in Mesoamerica we Mexicans wouldn't exist? Why? Because the English who formed the 13 colonies believed in predestination thus the Indigenous were seen as "un-saved" hence giving way to bad relations between the English and the indigenous. Now imagine them arriving in Mesoamerica where they would see human sacrifice and ritualistic cannibalism. Thank God it was the catholic Spaniards.

[@ProvisionLLC]

I love voice of reason he’s truly a real Christian with a heart full of love for Gods kingdom God bless everything he does

[@dfwherbie8814]

You guys are having a real good conversation. I didn’t realize how good ruslan was at interviews

[@praveenliverpool]

All glory to God and his beloved mother 🙏❤

[@clararamirez8195]

The glory belongs to God alone.

[@Smashalla332]

Catholics : glory to god and his mom Muslims : glory to god and momo Christians: And I heard every creature which is in heaven and on the earth, and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, saying, “Blessing and honor and glory and power be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever!”

[@Psalm34rws]

Scientists including some from Nasa analyzed the tilma of Juan Diego’s miraculous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe and found things which show its supernatural origin.

[@nicktronson2977]

The stories the romans made up tp hide Hebrew heritage from these people.

[@joshuarivera2422]

References? Trust me bro

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

@@Psalm34rws Like what qualities? There are reports that the temperature of the image are the same as the human body… but that claim is expressly denied by one of the leaders investigating for Juan Diego’s canonization. He can be quoted in an interview with Catholic News Agency. Also an art restorationist who had access to the image say there are brush strokes in the eyes. Also the reports about the triple reflection in the eye aren’t reported in any studies let alone by a scientist. The tilma music is absolutely absurd because the notes are limited to white keys on a piano and not black keys. There is also evidence the painting has been repainted in some spots. But ultimately the origin story doesn’t match the history of the written record of the Franciscans at the time or the Bishop (Bp Zumarraga) at the time.

[@que_teimporta0216]

​@@thewiseandthefoolishScientific testing has not found any brush strokes, and the image appears to have been created in a single step. Some parts of the Tilma have been painted over, including the moon and the angel holding the cloth but not all of the Tilma itself...

[@Psalm34rws]

@@thewiseandthefoolish The rest of the qualities you are ignoring. You obviously think you know funny that the rest of the evidence you passed over

[@pianoatthirty]

Voice of Reason is going to bring a lot of people back to Christ’s one-and-only Catholic Church. Praise the Lord 🙏

[@12OunceProphet]

The church of GOD is the BODY OF CHRIST. Its not a denomination . Jesus Christ was not a catholic , lol. Follow Jesus Christ .

[@robertkolinsky1286]

@@12OunceProphet right catholic church is not a denomination. It's pre- denominational. Catholic also means universal. It comes from the Greek Katholic which actually appears in original Greek New testament for the word" throughout ". One early church father explained catholic signifies is that everywhere we are one. St. Ignatius of antioch, martyr for christ and disciple of apostle John said," wherever christ is there is the catholic church "(110 A.D).

[@thisisforgod868]

@@12OunceProphetif Protestantism is true, it would have not broken into more than 50,000 denominations just like what God did to Babylon. Meanwhile, Catholicism has remained one, stronger and multiplied in all 4 corners of the world. Protestantism is just noise to distract Christians.

[@tzaphkielmelekiyah1518]

Catholic originally was a term to mean Christians everywhere, not a sect , it wasn’t a brand name for popery, you had Christians in various regions and when they spoke of the whole body of Christ they used the word for the whole which was Catholic, what people were was Christians , there are few true “catholics” , those who recognize the scattered body of Christ,= those who are led by Gods Spirit, not a man or group of men, but the spirit of God through whoever he has spoken through and in them, as Christians

[@joel1110]

@@robertkolinsky1286Yes it does, but the way they’re defining catholic is the Roman Catholic church, which is not the ONLY church.

[@adriansecond5555]

You will know the truth and truth will set you free! I’m a follower of Jesus Christ and I’m glad my family turn to Christ from the Catholic Church. Thank you Jesus🙏🏽

[@FaithTruthLogicReason]

The catholic church are the true Christians. I converted from mixed up fake Protestants to His church the Catholic Church, and now my relationship is real and true. I now have a mystical relationship with Him.

[@adriansecond5555]

All I i know is that im from the church of Christ. He freed me from addiction. Once i surrender my life to him i was set free from Religion, Matthew 11:28. Thank you Jesus Christ!!🙏🏽

[@FaithTruthLogicReason]

@adriansecond5555 Amen! Jesus is with all His children. As a mystic who was healed from a sickness by Jesus miraculously just sitting in my house one day, people don't understand that He is with all Christians no matter the denomination. When people make claims, "He freed me from the catholic church", they don't understand that it is the church He started, and He is with the catholics. They don't know Christian history and understand that everyone was Catholic for 1500 years. Sans a small group of Eastern Orthodox that broke off 500 years before the reformation. The churches don't have the fullness of truth, but it doesn't mean He isn't with them. The big thing they don't have is Him in the tabernacle at their church 24/7, and they don't take His flesh and blood. So their relationship isn't as close as it could be. I've been a mystic since I was 7, but I didn't know I was missing out on a deeper connection. I thought I had all there was to offer. It's gets so much better when you abide in Him through the Eucharist.

[@romulusmars3766]

Voice of reason is Awesome 👌

[@louel83]

I can’t wait for the rest of this interview 👌

[@raulhernandez8064]

Voice of reason! Dope! Proud Catholic

[@protestant77]

GOD says keep Sabbath holy. POPE says keep Sunday holy. ☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??

[@protestant77]

GOD says keep Sabbath holy. POPE says keep Sunday holy. ☝️WHO IS YOUR MASTER🤔??

[@noemartinez9010]

I had a similar story, some relatives became protestants and they kind of sowed doubts in my mind about the teachings of the church. So I also became obsessed in learning the truth. Thank God im still catholic. I was born catholic had my sacraments but knew very little about the church. I was very ignorant. Im hispanic and sadly a lot of hispanic catholics are like that. We dont make an effort to read the scriptures and the cathechism of the catholic church. ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

[@MrMustang13]

Proud Latin Catholic! Ave Christus Rex, Re, Rey, Roi! ✝️✝️✝️❤️❤️❤️

[@corex72]

Id be questioning wether or not you’re really saved.

[@MrMustang13]

@ I don’t need to question, we can be secure in the Lords mercy, the guidance of His church and the graces bestowed upon us by His gifts, the sacraments. Love it.

[@onetowardslove]

God Bless you my brother and God bless the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church, from now until the end of the age, amen🙏✝️

[@Sc-ld7os]

Don’t listen to the noise you’re gonna get to this comment

[@korilynn76ify]

You should look up what God says about the proud. Js

[@charlesryan8476]

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[@TheOfficialArthurMorgan]

Amen❤

[@Downey-2000]

He was talking about the Jews. No more Israelites. No more special bloodlines anymore. Only those who follow Christ and those who do not. Mother Mary prays for us and brings us to her son Jesus Christ.

[@charlesryan8476]

@@Downey-2000 Mary is not omnipresent, she can’t hear you. Why pray to Mary when you can pray directly to God the Father in Jesus name.

[@amc3463]

@@Downey-2000Even Mary said Jesus was her Lord and Savior……..

[@Downey-2000]

@@amc3463 I know that. What's your point? He's our Lord and Savior and the king of the universe. What is your point?

[@HipHip_Jorge]

This is one area of Catholicism I appreciate as I learn more about the faith converting from Pentecostalism and its the belief in apparitions. Pentecostals are really big on gifts of the Holy Spirit and also supernatural dreams visions but not apparitions. It wasn’t that hard for me when converting because I believe in a God of miracles. The Virgin Mary has popped out many different times in a supernatural way which also includes the book revelation in johns vision! But we do see evidence of apparitions in the gospel with Elijah and Moses at mount of transfiguration. Great clip! God bless!

[@jsandoval3226]

Pre-Hispanic Mexicans are Native Americans.. The queen of heaven appeared to our Indigenous ancestors as one of us 🙏🏾

[@jaclynbannister1877]

@@jsandoval3226 I'm Hispanic, but not Mexican. I was taught that the Spanish made up the tale of Guadalupe appearing, to make it easier for them to convert the Native Mexicans to Catholicism.

[@diegocontreras4477]

Proud to be Mexican American and Catholic ❤ ✝

[@theCatholicInfluence]

I found the VoiceOfReason only recently, and it took a minute for me to realize that I watched him grow up as my family and I used to sit behind him and his mother in mass! I remember when he became a lecter as a young man. Even then, his voice was unique and notable.❤ It's so good to see him spreading the word of God through the internet and traveling around, collaborating with other people that I follow, all for the love of Jesus Christ.

[@aguilacec]

One of the blessings of my life is to be Mexican because of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Since we are little, we learn to honor her. I love Christ and she has helped me to do that.

[@nataleenriosgonzalez6687]

En Puerto Rico también amamos a la Virgen de Guadalupe

[@michaelcarroll2001]

That happened to me also i was searching for the truth my whole life because i was being told by external influnces i was in the wrong church or im not a real christian or im not saved and that im being lied to and then upon re searching i realised i was right where i needed to be the whole time in the catholic church.

[@muriel2267]

Same! Now I’m so in love with the Church I can’t go a day without the Eucharist ❤

[@michaelcarroll2001]

@JesusSavesAskHim thank you for your input god bless you sir

[@michaelcarroll2001]

I'm not even going to bother I'm saved brother stop stressing and god bless you

[@michaelcarroll2001]

@JesusSavesAskHim yeah I agree there are people being mislead that's for sure

[@michaelcarroll2001]

@JesusSavesAskHim 1John 2:1 1John 2:13-14 3John 4 Gal4:19 2cor 12:14 1Peter 5:13 1cor 4:14-15

[@jessevarela]

The answer is quite simple. In Mexico you were born in a catholic family and God help you if you went against the family tradition. 100% of my family used to be catholic until about 2 generations ago. I thought it was common knowledge that peer pressure did most of the work. 🤷‍♂️

[@doguina8748]

@@jessevarela 100% im first gen Christian and boy its haaaaaard, its like im a traitor

[@TryingToFollowChrist37]

@@doguina8748 Catholic are Christian’s, the original Christians. Saying the apostles’s Creed at the start of the rosary last night, showed me the wisdom of the rosary and how it tells the story of the Jesus Christ. But God bless you on your spiritual journey walk in the true Holy Spirit our teacher and companion.

[@munivisionmuni5620]

It’s hilarious when a Protestant says it’s not in scripture because if they did their research they would realize the Bible was put together by Catholics. Catholics added the 27 books of the New Testament. Where were the Protestant at that time?

[@Distantnomad]

When did Catholics write the old testament? 🤔

[@munivisionmuni5620]

@ they didn’t. Protestants always say the Catholic added books to the Bible. Yes, the 27 of the New Testament. What year was it done? Go find the answer

[@Serapholo]

@@munivisionmuni5620 What a fallacious argument. So what if catholics put it together? The Catholic Church of today is nothing like the past. It has absorbed many heretical teachings that distort the gospel of Christ

[@munivisionmuni5620]

@ you might be right but if the Catholic Church don’t have authority the Protestant belief most certainly does not. At least Peter has the keys to the kingdom ordained by Christ himself.

[@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613]

@@Serapholo Who made you the decider what is heretical and what is not?

[@jessicacastro7824]

I am excited to see your reaction to mother Mary appearance to Juan Diego.

[@corex72]

Fakr

[@drewg3742]

@@corex72do you mean fake?

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

The abbot of the basilica in the 90s lost his job there because he called it a pious fraud. And there’s lots of good reasons to say it is a fraud

[@DiegoVergudo180]

​ heard about that

[@FuddlyDud]

@@thewiseandthefoolish Well, want to go through them? I’m open to miracle claims being fraudulent, although I don’t condemn another without being beyond reasonable doubt. :)

[@colleenhoffman2817]

The miracle of Our Lady of Guadalupe is mind-blowing 🤯!

[@joshuarivera2422]

@@colleenhoffman2817 that is fake,do your research.

[@Christopher_Irons]

In mexico, at least the Guadalupe has a lot of aztec god symbolism. Like the fact that in depictions of the Guadalupe, she stands above a cherub with black eagle wings instead of dove, the eagle wings are a symbol of the aztec war god Huītzilōpōchtli. There's also the Sante Muerte, which is a whole other heretical thing that has grown in prominence amongst mexican cartel and federalis.

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

@@colleenhoffman2817 considering Bishop Zumarraga wrote the first book published in the new world in 1539 and never wrote of Juan Diego in all his writings and warns against miracles after the time of Jesus is telling. Also telling are the Franciscans who write against the cult of Tepeyac who worship an image and sacrifice to a pagan goddess they call “Our Mother”. Also telling is an investigation by a priest who calls it a painting from a local Indian named Marcos

[@EvelynKerubo-q9f]

​​@Christopher_Irons She's standing ON one Aztec god AND in front of another. The symbolism is a message to the natives back then, that these gods whom the natives feared and sacrificed humans to, are nothing. Powerless. At the same time, she has a symbol over her womb of "the God of Far and Near" who was the creator and not one of the gods they sacrificed to. They only had him in their ancient prophecies that spoke of a kind of paradise called "flower world", a world of love, joy, beauty, music, flowers that they all longed to go to. Their prophecies said only the God of far and near could open the way to "the flower world" and that one day he would open it to mankind. This prophecy was all over the indeginous world from the USA land to deep in South America. It was believed by very msny different groups for thousands of years. So the symbol over her womb of this God of their prophecies said to the Aztecs that he was in her womb! That the baby of this human princess was THAT God who had the power to open the way to paradise. So her appearance was taken to mean that the time of the prophecies had arrived and the way had now been opened to them into the flower world of their prophecies. THAT way was baptism. They understoid it this way because the one who had entered this flower world (St. Juan Diego who the virgin had appeared to) was a baptized Christians! In the story of the apparition, the tepeyac hill turned into a paradisical place and St. Juan Diego collected flowers from it to take to the Bishop. In the indeginous prophecy, the humans could not go onto the flower world and collect flowers, so this was very significant to them! It not only proved that humans could now go into the flower world but WHICH humans: Baptized Christians. This was why they dropped their pagan religions in droves after this. So they started travelling to the missions asking to be taught the ways of this God of Far and Near whom they now understood to be the God of the Christians and not of the pagans, and asking to be baptized. They came in waves, group after group, as the word spread deep into the interior where the missionaries did not and could not reach, through indeginous communication means (dramatization) and they just kept coming, understanding the way to paradise was now open to them only through the Christians! In the next 9 years, 9 million had been baptized. For perspective, the missionaries had not been able to convert more than just a handful of them the entire time they had been there, since the beginning of that century.

[@vman9347]

@@joshuarivera2422don’t be stupid. There no way it can be fake. Do some better research

[@aliciajackson8314]

My grandma told me the story of the Mary and Juan Diego. She always had a picture of it in her house.

[@Shiasmommy]

Italian Mexican raise catholic but like he said you ask questions and never get answered at 12 I went to Christian church and my questions got answered and stayed there I am 40 now my dad 2 years before his passing started going to church with me and gave his life to Jesus Christ as his Lord and savior and requested a Christian service to his funeral. My mom passed away as a devoted catholic.

[@MrMustang13]

@@Shiasmommy so you’re Catholic right? Or you’re saying you still don’t understand?

[@lionheart5078]

please take another look into the catholic church.

[@Dolphin._.]

@@Shiasmommy Stay where you are and continue to have that relationship with Christ! 🙏

[@nataliaramirez8026]

God bless you

[@rouxmain934]

This is the tragedy of the Catholic Church, having all the truth yet failing to give good answers to the flock. And I say this as a convert to Catholicism.

[@brazilbairs]

Ruslan is giving a masterclass on how to have a respectful conversation with someone that you don’t agree with.

[@Dguerra96]

Voice of Reason is one of the best apologist for the Catholic Church right now no doubt

[@rodrigopereira3449]

I felt as I was watching Rocky movies "Yo Aidrian "

[@J_R15]

He should’ve told him about how around that same time people were leaving the church and becoming Protestants in Europe

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

@@J_R15 And how Cortes was converting them by the sword and how the Spanish Inquisition was stationed in New Mexico, not allowing any non Catholics to come into the country, etc

[@essafats5728]

True, so Jesus came to the New World to make up for all those disobedient Prottys. More became Catholics than those Prottys who left.

[@xquantumx7052]

His interview with fr Josiah Trenham is fire too

[@jessicacastro7824]

My dad saw there event to explain how this happens also they try burn the clothing that her face on and nothing happens it standing in Mexico City

[@corex72]

Nope no he didnt.

[@prodbysteven]

What are your thoughts on the Mary apparitions? Some say 2 Corinthians 11:14 comes to mind, my thoughts are why would God allow or send Mary to appear to man and if any of this is biblical. Have any of you watched L.A Marzuli’s documentary on the Fatima apparition? Thoughts?

[@ElijahRexNewcomb]

Your thoughts are what?

[@prodbysteven]

@ what?

[@WorldRenounced]

Check out Our Lady of Zeitoun - there's photographic evidence for those apparitions.

[@mikejames303]

Because Mary is the Ark of the Covenant

[@emily43210]

The Fatima thing was very convincing to me. Thousands saw the miracle of the sun, and three shepherd children were leading the whole thing, saying Mary was appearing to them and relating her messages. If you look at what their family members said about them, it seemed very out of the ordinary for someone you'd think could be caught up in a hoax. And the things that the children said were very serious, such as the need to pray daily and repent, the call to offer up comforts as sacrifice for the conversion of poor souls, and the call to confess sins regularly and receive communion. The children gave up their lunches as a sacrifice to unite to Jesus for the sake of lost souls, they did many things as sacrifices to offer to God to save souls. 2 of the children died not long after, but the third, Lucia, became a cloistered nun, which is not what you would expect of someone who started a hoax for attention, at least imo.

[@jamesrullan1594]

I went on my journey through all religions and then found Christ then I dug was around a lot of protestants myself also want AA went to a Catholic church with my fiancé and fell in love and have them turn back

[@franciscorafael2582]

Have Lloyd De Johng on your channel. He did a series on Martin Luther.

[@Christusvinci]

I listened to it, wild mehn, so wild, so much buried in history!

[@franciscorafael2582]

@@Christusvinci It is frustrating when people like Alex start a discussion like this from a bogus foundation because everything that comes after the starting point is worthless. The posting of the 99 Thesis likely never happened.

[@GabeGarcia-k2r]

The only way to the Father is through the Son not the Mother.

[@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760]

that is correct, but there are countless ways to the Son, which is exactly what Mary exhorts us to do in every single apparition. It is sad how protestants have been brainwashed to hate the Mother of Christ. God chose to come to us through her. Think on that a while. Then read Revelation 12.

[@GabeGarcia-k2r]

@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 I do not hate the Holy Mother. I study the word of God on a daily basis. I confess with my mouth and believe in my heart that Christ was born, died and was resurrected. In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[@steverino4598]

If it wasn't for His mother you wouldn't have Our Saviour

[@GabeGarcia-k2r]

@@steverino4598 I honor the Holy Mother but I worship the Savior. He is the way, the truth and the life and no one gets to The Father but by Him.

[@steverino4598]

@GabeGarcia-k2r totally feel the same way I dont worship Mary just venerate who the Father chose to carry our Saviour

[@truthteller3288]

I am very proud of my brother Alex.

[@AnimeExHindi]

society would change overnight if more people read the book Magnetic Aura by Takeshi Mizuki

[@SurrenderNovena]

¡ Viva la Virgen de Guadalupe!🌹🔥🌹

[@sopad4629]

I admire that he doesn’t watch TV. Because so many people now exist just looking at their phones. Instead, he is living his life.

[@carlobella1850]

Yo Adrian!!!!!

[@Themagnetic1]

I love this side of bro getting to know him

[@charlesryan8476]

1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.

[@TheOfficialArthurMorgan]

Amen

[@jaggedplanet]

As a Catholic, I completely agree with that verse. May Our Lady of Guadalupe intercede on your behalf.

[@resmem]

@@jaggedplanet 🙃

[@laurenlooolll]

Jesus is the mediator to the Father, we the faithful can intercede to Christ with our prayers❤️

[@beto8493]

Look what the 'humble servant" says about herself: "I strongly desire that a temple be erected here for me, to show and give all my love, compassion, help and defense, since I am your pious mother, to you, to all of you together, the inhabitants of this land, and to my other lovers. May they call upon me and trust me; hear their cries there and remedy all their miseries, sorrows and pains" Catholics are in a worse situation than Flat Earthers.

[@lachocastellanos7503]

Im mexicano former baptized ,conf. and First communion i grew up as a Catholic and I went off and living la Vida loca, I was down to hell , the only one who saved me from that eternity condemnation was MY LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, TO HIM, AND ONLY HIM BE THE HONOUR THE GLORY AND WORSHIP , EVERY KNEE WILL BOW DOWN AND CONFESS THAT HE IS THE LORD!! LOVE YOU JESUS, ❤❤❤

[@luis27787]

I’m Mexican and saved but my whole family is catholic but the way the Spaniards introduced the catholic religion was breaking the “Mexica” people’s - idols and statues and they had a god similar to the virgin called tonatzi which is the god of the earth and so the Spanish replace the virgin but the mexica people still prayed to tonatzi using the Mary statue

[@FernandoRodriguez-qg9vb]

@@luis27787 you hit the nail brother!

[@David77757]

Faith Without Works Is Dead (James 2)

[@stone0234]

You're giving the Mexica way too much credit here, they did survive after the wars but they definitely weren't the majority. It was the indigenous allies of the Spanish that formed the foundation of New Spain/Mexico. Like the Tlaxcalans who also converted willingly.

[@CatholictopicsTemascatol-kp1wy]

If you are Mexican, you need to do more research on the state of affairs in Mexico after the fall of Technotitlan. Part of the problem the missionaries where having trying to convert the natives to Christianity was the fact they had deep religious convictions. Although, their temples had been destroyed, they did not embrace Christianity just like that. On top of that, Mexico was comprised of many tribes, each with it's own dialect. So language was a big barrier. The Aztecs didn't mascaraed their original believes like the African slaves did with Santeria in places such as Haiti. The Aztecs and many other tribes embrace Christianity by choice. In the same manner that St. Paul brought the Gospel to the gentiles, the Virgin Mary brought the Gospel to the natives in the Americas. The Aztecs did not have a written language. They communicated with pictures. The tilma of the Virgin of Guadalupe spoke to them in a more effective manner than any missionary could have ever done so.

[@hanmirz4803]

You need to return to the true Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. Being protestants is not a way of receiving the fullness of truth.

[@jayslayzz9978]

I love you Alex man huge inspiration

[@rustycaplinger8036]

Lol How did you get that voice was really funny.

[@denverchicano303]

I'm so proud to be a Catholic!

[@juliotrejo25]

Marry cannot appear for she is dead. In the bible it says once ur dead there's no coming back. I understand she was god mother. She was human regardless. She was not hesus she was not god. But the mother of God.

[@jacobfischer8385]

I seem to remember some people appearing to Jesus in a Garden...

[@juliotrejo25]

@@jacobfischer8385 an angel not a human

[@jacobfischer8385]

@juliotrejo25 Can people turn into angels?

[@juliotrejo25]

@jacobfischer8385 no sir. As a matter of fact we are higher than angels originally. Not now as we are corrupted by sin.

[@David77757]

Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus (Mattew 17:3)

[@KariRazo-wb1cg]

I love our Lady💞🌹💞 Mother healed me at the “Our Lady of Champion” Shrine the only approved Blessed Virgin Mary Apparition site in the USA. I was healed Oct 9, 2024 from a disabling ailment I had for 13 years and excruciating pain from an incident in 2016- The Holy Family is with me, and the love I have felt from their presence would heal our world in an instance! 🙏🏼🩸🕊️🌹🙏🏼

[@christian_3x]

Proud Catholic! Voice of reason💪🏽

[@cami4CYeshua787]

Let me be clear; I am not saying that this _is the case_ , but I think people should seriously keep in mind that demons can display lying signs and wonders. Guru's have "magic" and perform "miracles" but these miracles are not of God, they are demonic. Lucifer is described as an 'angel of light'. I trust miracles where _God_ is given the credit, not a saint or pastor/preacher/priest. The Lord has the power, even when we are the acting agents, He is the power, we are His vessel.

[@Joelthinker]

God got all the glory through Our Lady of Guadalupe, and she brought millions to Christ. Satan wouldn't do that.

[@cami4CYeshua787]

@Joelthinker A lot are led to the Catholic Church, and that is good, but a lot also end up idolizing Mary, which is not good. I'll repeat myself too, I'm not saying that that is the case, but it is worth keeping in mind. I believe that the "angel" Moropi who brought the tablets of the book of Mormon to Joseph Smith was no angel either. I believe if he wasn't Lucifer (the angel of light) then he was likely a fallen angel. Same with the angel that brought the teachings of the Qu'ran to Mohammed. And with the "Jesus" who talks to the Watchtower Men of the Jehovah's witness. If it contradicts or _distracts_ from the word of God, then it isn't from God, because God is not the author of confusion. Just be cautious is all. Faith in Jesus, and respect for the saints.

[@nistaffsubs6787]

In venezusla Coromoto virgen appeared to indigenous people ( coromoto tribe ) And the Virgen del Valle..

[@prayerwarrior3030]

I always questioned that vision that is deeply embedded in our culture. Wondered if it was just a tale that was spread. The bible says to test every spirit to see if it's from God.

[@robertkolinsky1286]

Well it converted barbarian pagans to christ so it's already been tested

[@juanlavergne2311]

The tilma still exists. Its been put to A LOT of tests. They have even had ophthalmologists look into her eyes.

[@tomJ1.1-3]

the image on the Tilma and Tilma itself is miraculous. If you think it is a tale, you may want to consider reading into a bit.

[@aginuzo]

The colonizers were brutal and no way would the conquered accept the religion of their conquerers. The Bishop and missionaries had little success in converting the natives. What Mother Mary did for them was appear as an Aztec and brought the Americas to Christ. At the same time in Europe the Reformers were taking the faithful away from the Mass of Christ. Our Lady of Guadalupe left behind irrefutable evidence with the Tilma of Juan Diego, still exists today. Also can’t be replicated or reproduced by today’s means. Keyword: Miracle of the Tilma of Guadalupe.

[@PrimationNation]

Lmao I didn’t think of Rocky until you said it bro! Rock em dead Balboa! Keep shining ☀️

[@norah9255]

Indigenous people were given a brown idol because they refused to bow down to a white one. As a Mexican follower of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, it is my personal belief that Mary or Miriam, His mother, would never want all this attention. ALL HONOR, ALL GLORY, ONLY to the KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS. Yeshua HAMASHIACH

[@melizzasaenz1788]

Alex is awesome! Proud Catholic!

[@the-conscious-vibe]

Our Lady of Guadalupe.

[@MrCarlosVillasenor]

The lord Jesus Christ ✝️🕊️

[@Djakademicks]

Jesus is king

[@vman9347]

@@Djakademicksit’s the same thing Guadalupe takes us to Jesus ❤

[@GGiron-m5i]

Jesus is King! And Mary is Queen! 🙏

[@tkemedia7061]

@@vman9347what verse is that?

[@Elsupermayan8870]

@4:13 Hello, i would like to ask why do you refer to the Aztecs and their gods as pagan? Isn't Paganism a old European religion with their own gods? Maybe the Aztecs and their false gods can be referred to as Mezo gods or Mezo religions?

[@samuelsmith5400]

Pagan is actually a Latin word simply a word to describe any group of people, usually polytheistic, that were non Christian. Of course the term was not always this and actually has an origin meaning “district or country” but later became a term to denote a non Christian

[@jaimeteran4067]

I would say demonic. So same thing.

[@enzocompanbadillo5365]

@@jaimeteran4067 Ehmmm no. Would you say Plato was demonic?

[@TheKingandtheFlower]

The way he told the story of the Virgin of Guadalupe bringing the gospel to the Aztecs does not resonate with the story I grew up hearing. I never heard a story where she told the gospel. She asked for a shrine to be built for herself. I grew up first generation Mexican American and went to Catholic school through high school. I saw videos and heard stories of her. It was always elevating this apparition not Jesus Christ...I'm not sure what gospel he's talking about when he said that she preached the gospel to them but it is not the gospel of Jesus's death and resurrection.

[@CatholictopicsTemascatol-kp1wy]

The Aztecs did not have a written language. They communicated with pictures. The tilma of the Virgin of Guadalupe spoke to them in a more effective manner than any missionary could have ever done so. If you remember, in the tilma, the sun and the moon are behind her. She is standing on top of the moon. The sun, the start and the moon, where view as gods by the many tribes in Mexico and South America. So they realized that she is more powerful than their gods, but at the same time her head is tilted and her hands are together in the form of prayer. Furthermore, the title of Guadalupe was the title given to her by the Spaniers. When she spoke with Juan Diego, she spoke in Nahuatl and she called herself Quatlasupe, which means she who crushes the head of the serpent. One of the most important Aztec gods was Quetzalcóatl, the serpent god.

[@TheKingandtheFlower]

@ this is still not the gospel…not even close

[@TheKingandtheFlower]

@ if anything it is contrary to Scripture. In genesis, God tells Eve that her offspring will crush the serpents head. This is a direct connection to Jesus, not Mary. Here’s the verse for your reference. “And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and hers; he will crush[b] your head, and you will strike his heel.” The story you provided only serves to reinforce that she is putting herself in a place where Jesus should be, and that does not seem like something Mary would do.

[@Vision-uf5mm]

@@TheKingandtheFlower you where not paying attention nor taking notes, there is a book called "A Handbook on Guadalupe" it's a good place to start to further understand what it is that your upbringing failed to give you and so many of us also whatever generation you may be has no bearing on the matter, in this short podcast je wasn't able to elaborate on the specific topic of The Gospel for the first time in all of the Americas being brought by our Blessed Mother, if you can not see her as one who speaks the Birth Life Crucifixion and Resurrection of her Son, perhaps you don't believe she is the Mother of Our Lord, do better to look into what your generation did not learn properly trust you aren't alone in this.

[@Tom_McMurtry]

People need to look into the tilma as well that came with the appiration and still survives today on cactus Fibre that usually degrades after a decade.

[@dominic1oftheLord]

OK... SO, The REAL story of Mary appearing to the aztecs in 1521 is that she appeared to 1 person only. Not the aztecs as a whole or a nation or a group in the area. 1 person thats it. His name was Juan Diego and he was an Aztec decendant. The Aztecs were already colonized and mixed through breading with the Spaniards. They had shifted their culture to blend with the spanish as well. On top of that Diego was already a practicing Catholic Christian and he was on his way to mass when the vision of Mary Mother of God came to him. She asked Diego to build a shrine on the spot where she had appeared, Tepeyac Hill and to convince the local bishop, she supposedly imprinted her image onto Juan Diego's cloak. How this guy explained the story is way super stretched.not surprising this guy usually talks out the side of his neck about most things doctrine. I used to watch and follow him till I started just doing a little personal research to validate his claims. You get false teachers from every so just look it up yourself.

[@jaggedplanet]

How do you explain the tilma?

[@dominic1oftheLord]

@jaggedplanet I have no clue... It's a miracle if it's true. Many people claim prophetic visions that aren't real. But I'm not gonna say it didn't happen either. From a personal experience, I know us Mexicans and hispanics are artistic for real for real... so he could've done it himself. But who knows? I'd love to believe in it so I don't discount it to not being true.

[@dominic1oftheLord]

@jaggedplanet but also there was an Aztec pagan goddess that imitates the image on his cloak. Called Tonantzin

[@jaggedplanet]

@@dominic1oftheLord Would an Aztec pagan goddess tell her subjects to stop worshipping her and start worshipping Jesus?

[@dominic1oftheLord]

@jaggedplanet no, but he could've done it to get then pagans to listen to him. With it being a familiar image, but again, who knows. I'm all for it. Just like the shroud. I do believe Jesus and the Father have allowed the Saints or even Jesus himself to have revealed themselves to us since the 1st century after Christ's death and resurrection. I mean, he appeared to Saul/Paul and caused him to go blind. So again, I'm not against it, just pointing out information. And so I believe that during these apparition moments, they could've manipulated the world and caused signs or imprints on us or things around us. Have you heard of the Chapel in Santa Fe New Mexico where a mysterious person appeared to nuns and built an impossible stairwell? I've seen this, and I have built a good handful of stairs, and I can not explain or figure it out either. So it does appear to be a miracle.

[@luisarteaga4896]

Viva Cristo Rey! Viva la Hispanidad!

[@mattb4249]

Mary can change her physical appearance?

[@catholicguy3605]

Yes

[@lm_8480]

If God can split the river for moses he can change mary's appearance too

[@aginuzo]

@@mattb4249 So can Angels. Why not the Mother of our Lord?

[@mattb4249]

@lm_8480 God can do whatever He wills, but who’s to say He actually changed Mary’s appearance and gave her the ability to appear multiple times throughout human history and in different forms since her passing?

[@califas805]

Where did he get this information from?

[@ogloc6308]

Short answer: because the spanish catholics conquered latin america

[@Tomi12123]

My country (Croatia) was by in large conquered under islam (Turk empire) for 500 years. We are 80% catholics.

[@futureking-tc6mc]

@@Tomi12123Orthodox not Catholics

[@Sc-ld7os]

@@Tomi12123 that doesn’t fit the narrative

[@kevinjones2422]

That is not correct. The Tilma given to Juan Diego is still on display in Mexico. The codex message of the Gospel to the Aztecs was not understood by the Spanish nor could have been created by them. It was given to Juan Diego and explained the gospel to the Aztecs in their own form of illustration. It brought in 9 million Aztecs and ironically happened at the same time about 9 million Catholics left the church in Europe and became protestant.

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

@@kevinjones2422 I can’t say much about the language piece at this point, but that might explain why Franciscan priests at the time condemned the cult at Tepeyac worshipping the image of a pagan goddess. And other priest had said the image was painted by a local Indian named Marco. The image was said to be drawing them back into their paganism.

[@aaron-ooog-5757]

New Mexico 💯

[@vanhosss7037]

Gabriel also supposedly appeared to muhammed...

[@robertkolinsky1286]

@@vanhosss7037 yes but that led people away from believing christ is God and redeemer and reduced him to mere prophet. Guadalupe led pagans to her son Jesus Christ their savior.

[@Rubenclub23]

Look up the "Tilma of Juan Diego" it gives the apparition more credibility, it wasn't just a story. An image still remains in Mexico and science can't explain many things about it.

[@vanhosss7037]

@@Rubenclub23 still could be demonic

[@vanhosss7037]

@@Rubenclub23 and this would lead people to the cathothic religion... a false works based gospel

[@robertkolinsky1286]

@@vanhosss7037 just cuz you think something is demonic cuz you don't want it to be true doesn't mean it is demonic. Pharisees accused christ of having a demon and performing miracles and excorsim having the help of devils because they did not want to concede to the truth he was preaching.

[@mariahvilla2354]

Where in the Bible says Mary is the mother of the church?? He said is in the scripture. I have read the new testament and did not find that info. Did I missed it or is he making it up???

[@David77757]

In Rev: 12:17

[@mariahvilla2354]

@David77757 the woman on rev 12:17 is the believers, the church. And is in the future. I believe Mary the mother of our Lord is in heaven.

[@themessenger2356]

Ruslan, I hope you see this. No disrespect to the voice of reason - I don’t know where he is on his walk with Jesus so I won’t judge his faith on that. However, he is just as right about the lady of Guadalupe as Billy Carson was about the gospel barnabas and Jesus’ wife. I’m Mexican myself and grew up in a Catholic household and I will tell you Mexicans don’t know or don’t like to talk about the origins of the image. The Virgin of Guadalupe was actually painted by an Aztec artist known as Marcos Cipac de Aquino - he was compared to Michael Angelo at the time. The legend of the appearance came after the painting was complete to stop Spanish persecution of the Aztec people also known as la conquista. She also did not spread Christianity but rather demanded a temple be built on the mountain top in honor of her. There is so much more but this should be enough to get the ball rolling. Let me know if you have any questions.

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

@@themessenger2356 Thank you for this! I almost converted to Catholicism and last year I investigated this story in case it had validity and because my RC friends kept singing its praises. But ya, sadly, it just seems to be a pious fraud that many people don’t want to admit

[@SamC_182]

As a mexican, I can affirm this

[@earnestliving]

As a Mexican who grew up with catholic family, I can affirm this too. The deceit of the devil is real. One thing tho, our God, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is so faithful, that I’ve seen testimonies, where through all that mess of idolatry (wether knowingly or not) and etc God reaches those ppl, the ppl who in all that, deep down in them, they’re seeking righteousness, and eventually they leave all of that mess, all by the grace of God. He knows the hearts.

[@coreyczech]

The theory that Marcos painted the Our Lady of Guadalupe has been debunked by science and artists over and over. You are the one that sounds more like Billy Carson. Dr. Callahan, a doctor I've referenced his paper in other comments, found no trace of paint on the image. Artists have found no brushstrokes. There are tons of scientific methods that can be used to analyze and prove an image is made of paint and yet none have proven paint. Take a look at the eyes of Mary in Guadalupe. Marcos would have needed a microscope to paint the perfect shape of a cornea and the 13 people in the reflection of her eyes. Marcos has no other paintings of such detail. This Marcos story is as much a myth as Billy Carson stories.

[@Dunamis_82]

As A Chicano in southern California I also affirm this! Worship Jesus only!

[@michaelramirez1603]

Shout out to all my fellow people with deep voices.

[@Pdaw-g9b]

Wanna see Ruslan becoming Catholic ❤😊

[@Djakademicks]

Lol

[@MasterSpade]

“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” - Isaac Asimov Problem is that most believers never read those books. Do yourself a huge favor = READ the bibles with an Open Mind and ask all the tough questions. You will be shocked at what's in those books.

[@silverguns9799]

Look at the fruits my friends. I am new to the faith but I see a lot of cartels that are Catholic. We do not need religion, we just need a relationship with God.

[@enzocompanbadillo5365]

I didnt know there were cartels with an official affiliation to the Vatican.

[@rs72098]

Exactly! I rarely see the Pope or the Catholic church ever condemn the drug cartels. I have seen many Protestant congregations condemn illegal drugs and drug cartels. Drug cartels don't exist or hold any territory in the U.S. for a reason, although I do agree we are their biggest market.

[@claytonhall989]

..Through the religion of Christianity lest we make God in our own image rather than worship God in His image.

[@DiegoJKelch]

Finally 😮😮😮🎉🎉

[@chaniii127]

Where in the Bible does it say Mary is the mother of the church?

[@essafats5728]

It's there...in the same place as "bible" "Bible only" "Trinity" "everything about God is in the bible" "altar call" "sinner's prayer" "every individual interprets the bible by themselves" "once saved, always saved"....

[@Dunamis_82]

I don't see it. Man made. If she told all the pagans that her son was the true god, then why commit idolatry worshipping mary statues and saints!

[@Pat.hibuleire]

Where in the bible you find the name of the 27 books

[@CABAFILMZ]

@@Dunamis_82 who worships Mary Statue and Saints? You arguments would only work if they actually captured the views of Catholicism correctly

[@josiahgonz2024]

@@chaniii127 Luke 1:26-38, Luke 1:41-45, John 19:26-27, ACTS 1:14

[@seeqr9]

I rather sound like Rocky than Mickey Mouse 😂❤

[@solo-hay-un-camino-Jn14-16]

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved romans 10:9

[@ginaveritaslee]

I'm so glad that you have Alex in many of your videos in your channel. Thank you

[@beto8493]

I'm Mexican and this episode is full of BS. The historical argument against the Guadalupe apparition is clear and damning: Fray Juan de Zumárraga, the very bishop supposedly involved, remains inexplicably silent about it in his writings, including his Regla Cristiana, where he explicitly states that miracles no longer occur, aligning himself with the humanist Erasmus view. Adding to the intrigue, no contemporary chronicler-neither Sahagún nor Motolinía-mentions this miraculous event. The so-called "miracle" only surfaces decades later in suspiciously convenient narratives. Honestly, we've got more evidence for Bigfoot and UFOs than for this apparition. It's fascinating how the Mary of the apparition positions herself as a hybrid between the God of the Old Testament and a spiritual life coach. First, she demands a temple to be built in her honor-so humble of her!-just like God commanded Moses to construct the Tabernacle. Then, she claims the monopoly on compassion, help, and divine protection, asking to be invoked and trusted. If this isn't an identity theft attempt against God, what is? What's next, offering salvation through faith in herself?

[@beto8493]

Here comes this theological missile for this "humble servant" she asked for a temple for herself, just like God commanded Moses, David, or Solomon. Except there’s one tiny difference: God is the Almighty, and the temple symbolized His presence among His people. But this Mary seems more interested in having her own spiritual Airbnb. She says we should trust her and invoke her, but no thanks. The Almighty God tells me that He is my help and that I should call upon Him (Psalm 50:15). I don’t trust her, who asks for a temple for herself-I trust the Lord (Proverbs 3:5).

[@rouxmain934]

Oh here comes the expert! The only BS I see is that you're contradicting the actual scientists that studied this object and even converted because of it. But sure, keep yapping on KZbin, I'm sure God will love your slander.

[@johnsherfey3675]

@@rouxmain934 Link to the scientist's studies?

[@PaterIgnotus]

There is more recent research on this, with the discovery in 1995 of the Codex Escalada, which has been dated to 1548 and is an illustrated account of the Tepeyac apparition with text in Nahuatl describing the encounter between Juan Diego and Mary. It is signed by Father Bernadino de Sahagun, a missionary priest and historian in Mexico, and a contemporary of Juan Diego. The first mention of the image in Spanish is in 1556 in a sermon preached by Archbishop Alonso de Montufar, the successor to Archbishop Zumarraga, in which he recommended devotion to the image. Devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe spread rapidly throughout the Catholic world. The Genoese Admiral Andrea Doria had a copy of the image on his flagship during the decisive Christian victory over the Ottoman fleet at the battle of Lepanto in 1571.

[@beto8493]

@@rouxmain934 It’s truly fascinating how you’ve so meticulously refuted my historical and theological arguments… Oh, wait! You didn’t even touch them. Instead, you leaped straight into the classic battle cry: ‘Scientists studied the tilma and converted.’ Which scientists? What studies? Where’s that elusive evidence that conveniently vanishes whenever it’s needed? 🤔 In fact, there are plenty of other researchers who don’t consider the tilma miraculous and have pointed out natural explanations for its composition. But why bother with details like facts and data when you can just throw vague claims into the air, right? 🙃 Speaking of Scripture (because adding a bit of biblical flavor is always good), let me drop some wisdom from the apostle Paul: “But even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9). Translation? Even if the apparition were real, from a Christian perspective, it could easily be labeled a demonic deception. So not only is your argument as sturdy as a house of cards, but the very theology you’re attempting to defend puts you in an awkward spot.

[@johnmoroney5258]

My birthday is on December 12 but I’m Irish/italian catholic

[@PoorSideHustla]

the AI Sylvester Stallone 🤣

[@4rmLAinSanJose]

The story of Mary is rooted in Tonantzin. The Aztecs would have a pilgrimage and worship a pagan goddess on the hill of Tepeyac. Bishop Zumarraga did not write about her while he was living, there is no evidence Juan Diego existed. Also, the Tilma has been proven to be made of other materials and has been painted again since. There is some information about the crown. What happened is the Aztecs were not converting and were still going to the pagan Tonantzin and they had a native create the Tilma and the document of the event was written far after the event.

[@Christopher_Irons]

Finaly another person who knows about this, it drives me crazy seeing people talk about the Mexican catholic and not understanding the nahua and or aztec subtext throughout it. Edit: the origin of the lady on tepeyac is of nahua, not aztec origin

[@thewiseandthefoolish]

@@4rmLAinSanJose THIS. And the Franciscans wrote against the cult in Tepeyac who worshipped an image and sacrificed to her. And other priests wrote the artist Marco, an Indian, had painted it

[@enzocompanbadillo5365]

@@Christopher_Irons Not aztecs but nahua, (nahuatl speaking people)

[@Christopher_Irons]

@@enzocompanbadillo5365 thanks for the correction, I'm going to leave my mistake I the edit

[@coreyczech]

Bishop Zumaragga did write of a mass conversion in the Papal Bull Altitudo Divini Consilii. There was no printing press in Mexico until 1539, so it is actually very difficult to find exactly what he wrote on the subject. The book he wrote was unknown when it was written and may have been written before 1531 but wasn't published until the printing press arrived. The book was also meant as explanation of Catholic faith rather than a story telling guide of what just happened. The Bishop wrote as an informant of how to practice faith rather than as a historian. Despite this, he did write of mass conversion. There were other accounts of this mass conversion. Why were all these people converting? They were no signs of force, there are actually no signs of the cause of conversion being any particular reason outside of the Our Lady Of Guadalupe story. I have not seen an alternative theory to why there was a mass conversion.

[@VSolo-cu9ec]

O Ever-Virgin Mary, Rose of Tepeyac Hill, Thou Christ the King didst carry That our heart's throne, He'd fill. From thee, our Mother meek, Leapt forth the Word Eternal To be the rest we seek.

[@apollosroman8784]

She pulled up... Hahaha

[@Danigxxiii]

Lmao Ruslan was not buying it

[@Rubenclub23]

Look up the "Tilma of Juan Diego". This wasn't mentioned but it is basically what gives the apparition credibility. She left her image in Mexico and it is still there.

[@Limagris912]

Why can't we just respect each other's way of understanding Chris, and behave like true brothers and sisters?

[@edward1412]

It’s always Roman Catholics who see Mary appearing to them. Lol

[@annb9029]

Not true

[@edward1412]

@ It is. In my country, they claimed that Mary appeared on a marbled wall in a Roman Catholic Church so I went to have a look. I didn’t see anything that was convincing but they still believe that was Mary.

[@jacobfischer8385]

Well if you listen closely, she appeared to Aztec people...who were Pagan. Not our fault though if Christ's mother has no interest in advocating for the 50k different protestant churches. In fact, the 9 million Aztec that converted was right after the protestant reformation...

[@claytonhall989]

Untrue. She has appeared to the Orthodox Church as well and if you pay attention, in the instance of our Lady of Guadalupe, she appeared to Pagans, not Catholics.

[@edward1412]

@ Aren’t Orthodox also into Mary veneration?

[@Ettoredipugnar]

“ She is Theotokos, “ She dose not need to appear as anyone else , or vested in native costume. “ she who bore God the Word , and it truly Theotokos , Thee do we Magnify “

[@charlesryan8476]

Mary was a sinner. Jesus died for Mary. Stop idolizing a sinner who also needed to be saved.

[@user-ks3qr5fk6m]

Of course she needed to be saved, but she was sinless and did not need to be redeemed. It was fitting for her to be sinless because she is the New Ark of the Covenant. The Word became flesh. Jesus got his flesh from Mary. She was Full of Grace before she accepted being the mother of God.

[@MDCMR]

“Hail Mary, full of grace.”

[@claytonhall989]

Mary is not a God, not worshipped, not an idol, but also was sinless yet still saved by God. Additionally, I recommend reading what many Church Fathers said about Mary’s Sinlessness from the first few centuries. Then skip ahead 1000+ years and read about what some Protestant Church Fathers also said about her sinlessness and perpetual virginity.

[@hoid8069]

She was saved preventatively.

[@ThereseAnderson-xp7hy]

Kinda reminds me of "Sound of Music" Maria is kicked out of the Abbey (being a nun).

[@boughtataprice8064]

5:13 where did you conjure that up from scripture?

[@daniellennox8804]

John 19:27 - Jesus on the cross “Behold your mother” Revelation 12 - the mysterious “woman” (can be viewed as the Church and Mary) v17 “And the dragon was angry at the woman. And so he went away to do battle with the rest of her offspring.” It’s fitting to call Mary the Mother of Christians because we are adopted sons and daughters of God the Father and Jesus calls his disciples brothers. Jesus has a mother so to be united to Christ means you hear the words “behold your mother” in this special way

[@boughtataprice8064]

@daniellennox8804 it's fine if Catholics see it that way. The problem is when it goes too far and calls her co-redemptrix. She was not sinless. And only Jesus can be the one mediator as spoken in scripture.

[@I_Love_my_adblock4408]

🙋🏾‍♂️ Idolatry

[@simeonwaia]

@@boughtataprice8064 All that means is that she cooperated with God's plan for man's redemption. Because of her answer to God's call (Let it be done to me according to your word), God became incarnate and came to the world through her blessed womb. As for 1 Timothy 2, verse 6 specifies what kind of mediator Christ is. He is the only one who gave His life as a ransom for all, as the God-man He is the only one who could do this. That doesn't exclude other mediators, we all PARTICIPATE in Christ's mediation when we share the gospel or pray for others. His unique mediation makes our mediation possible (Matt 28:18-20). Finally, if you are going to accuse our Lord's Blessed Mother of being a sinner, you had better have a full understanding of the Church's teaching on this matter and have strong theological refutation, you are going against Apostolic teachings that have been held to for 2000 years. KZbin channels Patristic Pillars and Shameless Popery Podcast are good places to start learning. The Lord loves His Blessed Mother, and He honors her perfectly (Matt 5:17, Exodus 20:12), so we should be careful how we speak about her.

[@daniellennox8804]

@ co-redemptrix refers to the fact that she played a special role in salvation history. God predestined her yes to bring about the Incarnation. The title is fitting. Her sinlessness is implicitly taught in Scripture and but is constantly referenced throughout the Church history. So much so that even Luther and Zwingli (men that held to sola scriptura) believed she was sinless and these two were not concerned with believing whatever the Catholic Church said. Jesus is the One, True Mediator between God and man. Though we intercede for each other (virtually in all Pauline epistles). The “prayers of a righteous man avail much” (James 5). The saints in heaven offer prayers for those on earth (Revelation 5 and 8) and they are “cloud of witnesses” (Hebrews 11). Unanimous consensus in the early Church of asking the saints in heaven to pray for us.