Why some people are LEAVING Portugal | 5 things that can cause people to leave, and how to fix it

[@vladvlad4789]

As always, very awesome video! Hey Michelle, does it bother you that Dan has such great hair? Do you get jealous about it?

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I do, but since he is my partner I try to swallow my pride and accept that some things are simply beyond my control

[@nygardenguru]

Lma

[@HO0660]

I thought the same thing. But it is not like he has better looks.

[@christobar]

Lol instantly thought about this, stop it Dan!

[@erickadinis1259]

I am portuguese, and what I see is that a lot of foreigners want to live in portugal and navigate everyday life situations like portuguese, without speaking portuguese! Learning the local language is CRUCIAL, this would have avoid all things you mentioned on point 2 for example.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Yup, unfortunately for non Portuguese speakers, it’s takes time and a lot of practice.

[@TomBTerrific]

Unfortunately I don’t have enough life left!

[@Mexicobeanpole]

Erica. Unless you’ve done it, you can’t imagine how hard it is to learn a new language. Especially past 40. It takes way longer than I thought it would.

[@teamdivine5651]

Hi 🤗 I m taking language course, I love it. People I m surrounded by dont speak any other language but portuguese, and I speak a lot of other languages, so I am forced to lear the language and its so much fun. I love it, altho its hard. Yesterday I had to call electricity company to get our electricity back, it was weird, coz my understanding is limited 🤣🤣, but I think it will work out. I just dive in !

[@HoneymoonAlways]

@@teamdivine5651 that's the best way to learn!

[@TheLastSongbird124]

As a Brit living in PT, I talk to many people thinking about moving here and the most obvious issue they have is that they see PT from what I call Tourist Eyes. I would say most that move here never did enough 'comprehensive research' or even understood what they seriously needed to find out before moving, so were guaranteed to come up against difficulties. A bit like moving to Sweden when you don't actually like cold weather but you think about all the nice things it offers....eventually the weather will make you fail. After 5 years here, I think THE most important thing to understand for anyone thinking of moving here is that you should read up (just basic) at least on the last 100yrs political history of PT because it is the past that largely creates today's people/culture. The culture & its people dictate the kind of everyday world you will find yourself living in. Portuguese people are incredibly friendly and helpful in general but you must be aware that the majority of working people here get paid lousy/low wages compared to UK, US, Germany, France etc etc. So, you have a nation striving to grow and develop but the 'tourist destinations' can give you a quick but narrow view that everything is great....it's not. The bulk of working class people live in older, smaller, less maintained apts/houses. This has been so for a long, long time, it is in the main, the normal cultural living landscape. So, for many generations incl today, people needed by necessity to do their own repairs for example. Hence many of those repairs were of poor quality for the obvious reasons. Spread that reality across 100 years or more and what you end up with today is a large part of the population accepting of poor quality work/repairs etc. That can sometimes translate to the quality of work one can expect (as a foreigner) from 'service people'! PT is still a relatively poor country attempting to become a modern nation but with limited resources to actually achieve that. So, things like having your car repaired, shopping, dealing with govt depts etc you come up against the realities of things being confusing, slow, fragmented etc etc. It's only if you have taken the time to understand why things are this way that you may become more accepting that living in Pt IS NOT LIKE LIVING IN UK, US, SCANDINAVIA, GERMANY ETC ETC ETC. The bulk of PT is not like the tourist areas of Lisbon, Algarve, Porto etc. If you don't do enough of the right research before coming here, you will eventually feel yourself disappointed! And that is not Portugal's fault!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

In the 5 years you have been living here, have you seen this mistake very prevalent from the people who move from the UK? I know a lot of Brits move to Portugal and it is easier to move from the UK than the US, but wondered how many stay long term.

[@TheLastSongbird124]

@@HoneymoonAlways My view is that less 'long term' Brits leave PT than Americans. I have found Brits are less likely to complain about the common problems (after an initial bitch) living here than Americans, other than the more wealthy Americans who don't tend to live in the normal everyday world as us so can deal with most things via money :) I guess being part of Europe, the Brits are experienced and accept the differing cultural quirks because they have seen it all before via regular visits to other EU nations for vacations?

[@HoneymoonAlways]

@@TheLastSongbird124 That's a good point. We had only been to Europe twice before moving so it would make sense that Brits would be more prepared for the cultural differences. And have definitely seen how money can make the transition much easier.

[@TheLastSongbird124]

@@HoneymoonAlways Yes money can help but people with plenty of money tend to live like perm tourists or detached from the real Portugal. And that is the same the world over I guess.....don't know, never been rich:) The point you make about understanding why u want to move and what you think you will/hope get from it is very important. It's the kind of thing you don't notice until you get hit in the face by those things once you have arrived...and that's a little late to be realizing I think:)

[@jimmiewhite]

Thank you so much. We moved to Porto in February 2022 and love it. We appreciate your videos. We're finding, like you, that the challenges are not because of Portugal and the Portuguese but with our expectations of ourselves and the little gnawing voices that tell us what we should be doing or should have known to do. Being here puts a whole new slant on having a "beginners mind". Thank you again.

[@thebarefootbroadcast]

fancy seeing you here Jim. How are you both? xx

[@SurlyMermaids]

Good video! When I was your age I moved from Canada to Chile and lived there for 5 years. I found that it took 2 years for me to feel comfortable. From there, I adapted quite a bit and when I moved back to Canada I felt the same kind of culture shock as I did when I arrived in Chile. Cultural re-entry is shocking and difficult. It took another 2 years before I was comfortable in Canada again. More than 20 years later, I have retained some of the cultural perspectives I adopted in Chile. That said, now I'm in my 50s and have been thinking of spending summers in Europe. Portugal is great so I might do that. Love your channel!!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thank you!

[@billhansen6683]

Thanks for a nuanced view of living in Portugal. I am an American that has lived in Northern Europe for 12 years recently bought a home in Cascais. I find it worrisome that many Americans who have never been to Portugal or Europe for that matter believe the marketing of a lot of you tubers and Facebook groups. Some remind me of those vegematic salesmen at county fairs. Real Estate agents, lawyers, you tubers with great drone production skills all selling a dream that is really becomes a psychological projection ( especially if they have never been here). Portugal becomes for some everything they want to flee. Free health care ( you better have private), safety ( violent crime is low) but there are a lot of residential burglaries in the higher rent expat communities such as mine. Portugal is on the edge of Europe and the Portuguese think differently about life and family. I noticed a more difficult transition here than living in Denmark, Germany and Switzerland. The people I worry about are not young remote workers like you guys. I worry about rural retired Americans who struggle finding a Doc that takes Medicare and has an open practice. They watch videos and suddenly they think living in Portugal on a 14-1600 social security check is going to give them a much better quality of life. My Portuguese cleaner and husband struggle living on 1500/monthly. Thanks for keeping things real and not oversell Portugal for clicks and revenue revenue.

[@desertdweller8520]

I'm 100% with you. I did my homework and am planning to move there but with my eyes opened. It is not cheap and that is a lie. It is probably affordable if you have more than Social Security Income. But, buyer beware if you believe all the hype. A scouting trip is a must!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I feel the same way, someone young can bounce back easy if it isn’t for them but it will be a lot harder on a fixed income.

[@ninobk196]

Also often times people move and DON"T realize they take themselves with them. So that thing they wanted to "leave" is actually themselves. At the beginning the new country is exciting and there is a bit of a honeymoon, but eventually when that wears out; THERE YOU ARE STILL. you still have to deal with YOU and all you did was change your geography. Lol.

[@Solo50plus]

You articulated this very well :)

[@HoneymoonAlways]

💯

[@JoseMartinez-fx2hp]

I’m a Peruvian that moved to the USA IN THE EARLY 80’s Now fully emerged in the American dream have great respect for what this country has to offer and the sacrifices generations Before made to make this possible. NOW I struggle with what is my opinion. That a large potion of Americans has lots the respect for each other and only think of self gratification. So. I’m contemplating Portugal. It’s not South America with its challenges. It Europe with advance societies. I have two younger kids. We visited Portugal 5 times. And We made decision. Portugal it is 😀

[@machellep1]

I saw the same thing while moving around the world with the military. I saw people never leave the base for 4 years because they were scared of the culture or change. People tend to take their lives and expect every thing around them to adjust, I see that with people who come here to the USA as well.

[@elyseb674]

I hear you. I'm active duty about to PCS to my 4th overseas duty station from my current overseas location. Join the Navy, see the world right? Being a single officer, I HAVE to live off base which is advantageous. I'll retire in Portugal when after two duty stations from now.

[@ameliekelly5616]

I'm on various PT forums and KZbin programs, I've been an expat for years, and I'm moving from Asia to Portugal next week -- OMO (On My Own). EVERYTHING you've mentioned I've learned along the way and will learn with the next journey. This video is a true PSA (Public Service Announcement). You guys rock.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thanks Amelia!

[@seanfinnerty4876]

When you call yourself "expat" I assume you mean immigrant

[@michaelitexpert8069]

How is life in Portugal for you now that you came?

[@ericcampbell774]

We moved to Germany a few years ago from the US and this is all SO true. We're moving to Portugal next year and while we're super excited, we're not looking forward to going through all the adjustments again. My wife and I agree that it is worth it though. And yep, it does get easier with time. :)

[@manel5686]

hello can you tell me about germany ill move to germany but i think im not making the right choice is it hard to live there what about buraucratie is it very high im lost

[@carinaryca649]

Hey guys, what a great video! I normally don't comment on videos but you did such an honest take on why some people would leave Portugal and I have a few points to make to anyone who might bother to read this. Lisbon is my hometown but I've been living abroad for 8 years and only came back to live here again this year, it was not an easy decision as changing countries never is (even if it's to go back to your own) and finding Dan and Michelle on KZbin who are sharing their experience with the whole move to Portugal from the US , explaining it from the point of view of someone who decided to live here when they could easily choose anywhere else to live, was one of the things that motivated me the most to power through the re-adaptation process required to adjust to a life back in Lisbon. With this said, I found many challenges coming back as things are way more expensive now than they were before I left, rent prices in the city are ridiculous (in comparison to local salaries) and the locals are struggling to be able to pay rent (it's not unusual to have people in their 30s living with their parents) if you are a digital nomad with a salary from a rich country then you should be able to afford a pretty comfortable life. A sense of community is important, I know I'm lucky as I have friends and family here so a sense of community is not something I was lacking but let me tell you I missed meeting people from all over the world, so I did join some meetup groups and met some nice people! It can be a great experience, just bear in mind that most people on these meetup groups do not live in the city they're usually just passing through, if you choose to stay then get accustomed to seeing people come and go. To your point about finding a therapist, if anyone is looking for one we have an online resource where you can choose licensed therapists (and other types of doctors) who speak English, it's called: www.doctoralia.com.pt/ However, based on my personal experience, despite English not being an issue for me, I can honestly say that the only time I ever "clicked" with a therapist was with a Portuguese person, there's something about speaking your native language with someone with a similar cultural background that made it easier to communicate the difficult things. Also doctors here are difficult 😂it's unfortunate but you really need to be lucky to find a good doctor, but they exist, I can say I'm lucky in that department with my family doctor but I also know some people don't have access to that, it might be worth considering health insurance in case you need a faster response time with a doctor, however, please know that they basically do the same thing the public doctors do, just at a faster pace as they have fewer patients. And yes it's true, strong pain killers are not a thing here, if you're suffering they'll give you ibuprofen or something similar, but rest assured they'll give you something stronger if you break a leg or something serious. And lastly, I've had trouble adjusting when I left my country for the first time too, the adaptation process takes a while when you move somewhere new and even though I already spoke the language (English) when I left it didn't mean I understood the culture or people's background or what they actually meant when they said certain things. This is something that took some time, for me it became easier and started getting better after my first 2 years living there and to this day it was the best thing I ever did. Anywhere you move will have its challenges so if you want to stay comfortable then it might be best to stay where you are, change is always uncomfortable but it's totally worth it if done for the right reasons, knowing why you're moving somewhere rather than just having a vague idea, or the need to escape where you're from, really does make a difference, thanks Michelle for pointing this out. If anyone is considering moving please know that the adaptation process will always take a while and will probably be difficult in the beginning, so good luck!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thank you so much for this thoughtful comment!

[@carinaryca649]

@@HoneymoonAlways Thank you for taking the time to read and reply! :)

[@mcp2112]

Fantastic video all around, and as an American therapist living in Portugal, your suggestions around seeking therapy *before* you move is spot on. I specialize in helping people work through these issues before they make the commitment to move, as well as helping expats who are are struggling after the move. Well done, you guys nailed it!

[@houseofodalys6294]

Thank you guys for this video! Six weeks and counting before we land! I'm 60 and will adapt but although my 23 year old is really excited about living in Portugal, I am getting her a therapist. Your point that whatever issues she has can get augmented made me think of the importance that she stays mentally healthy. Thank you!!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

That will be great to make things easier!

[@cristelleschroeder2493]

there are two ways to live in Portugal. One to remain an expat who only speaks english because everybody speaks english and remain an expat among expats. so everything will be difficult for you. doors will not open. the other way is to learn the language and the culture first and you will find your way more easy and make great friends here. and last not least. DO NOT try to bring your culture to Portugal. People here are proud of their culture so ignoring it closes doors and opportunities. And read what Portugal has gone thru the last 100 years and you will understand why things work very differently. great vid and thanks for bringing this subject up.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

While learning the language helps, there are things that are difficult no matter the country you move to. I speak Portuguese and my wife does not and our experience is very similar.

[@pbohearn]

Hi Dan and Michelle, I met you guys at the meet up in the Estrella Jardim. I don’t think you got my vibe, or maybe it was just my age lol oh well.This is an excellent video and gives people important things to think about. As I tell people, I didn’t choose Portugal, Portugal chose me, and what I mean by that is that I was looking for the “biggest bang for your buck” Golden Visa offer from all of the European countries, and Portugal was the best- it had the least dollar investment cost and the fewest years to citizenship, because my goal is to get EU citizenship and then have many options of where I might want to live. It also did not require that you live here, but because I’m eligible for citizenship next year and I must learn the language, I moved here a year ago. By myself, just with my dog and not knowing anybody really. For better or for worse, I made a decision to move around the country and see the north, the central and the south and live in each one for a few months before I settle down. So in that semi transient lifestyle, it was more difficult to make friendships, or even to try much because I will be leaving shortly anyway. I got to Lisbon this spring and settled down. It still was difficult and there have been times that I have felt very lonely, and most recently very frustrated with living in this country. Obviously the reason I chose Portugal was not the best in terms of seeing me through those difficult times. I’m still uncertain if I’m going to stay here once I get citizenship, but I always said that if I stayed for a year and then decided to move back to the United States, that that was perfectly OK, it was not a failure and it was an experience and I could go home with my head held high. I may do that but not right now, partly because I signed a three-year lease lol. Portugal in many ways is similar to California where I’ve lived most of my life, and in many ways I have fallen in love with this country and it’s very easy place to live, and overall the people are really friendly decent people. They are very family oriented and I think that’s another reason why it is harder to “get in“ with the locals. sometimes I have experienced a cliquishness when I have lived in apartment building inhabited mostly by local people I was definitely feeling like the outsider, and also occasional brusqueness with an attitude about me being an American and their perception of me because of that. once they see that I am learning the language I see their faces soften because they’re impressed that I’m even trying. The biggest frustration has been the government bureaucracies which are truly a nightmare and where the difficulty getting something done in one bureaucracy completely impedes your ability to get something done in another office. many goals large and small have come to a complete standstill because I cannot get my visa renewed, and without that I can’t update my identity card with my new address. Because of that, I can’t get the neighborhood parking permit, I cannot even change my address at my local bank, I cannot get my Portuguese drivers license and I am illegally driving. without an updated identity card theoretically I could be prevented from getting back into the country. their immigration and customs office is totally broken down dysfunctional. Recently an English person sued that department because after they had paid a lot of money for their investment in the Golden Visa program they expected to get their residential visa and move within a few weeks and it’s been 16 months! Moreover, this bureaucratic nightmare is seen in their healthcare systems (public and private), and private businesses like tap airlines which I’ve had the most horrendous and nightmare situations, all of which makes me feel like I’m living in a dystopia with remnants of complete socialist bureaucratic paralyzation. I know the Germans do this better. It may be colder there but I know they do this stuff better as do many others. In moving to another country I certainly would have to start all over. So I honestly don’t know what I will do, and I don’t have to know right now ; I’m living day today and it’s OK. But it is truly an experience of being a stranger in a strange land and I empathize now a lot more with immigrants who have come to the United States who are simply trying to do their best. mostly I am reminded of that pithy saying, “wherever you go, there you are.“ And I’ve learned that no one is going to come to the door and invite me out and you just have to get comfortable with doing things by yourself if you have no one to do them with.

[@teddydavis2339]

Thank you for sheading light on reality. No one else is saying these things. Speaking the language also changes ones aspect. I hear people talking about how cheap Portugal is, but they have low wages, so things have to be cheap to be affordable.I had to live outside the US to appreciate it. I love this country with all of its defects. Great video !

[@grizfan93]

Your point about adjusting to life beyond the US hustle culture is spot-on, and something I've been wrestling with. I never saw myself as part of that hustle culture, but even just being around it for so many years has an impact. I knew coming into this that there would be struggles, but knowing and doing are two different things. I've put a lot of effort into calibrating my expectations for the day. No more big "to-do" lists. Getting one thing done in a day when you're living in a new country and don't know the language is actually a pretty big accomplishment. If people are not prepared for that adjustment, I can see why they'd struggle. In Portugal, patience and persistence beats hustle every day of the week.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I am the same way! Had not idea I would struggle with this, 1 year in and I’m starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

[@soul2soul399]

Great video! Like the old saying goes… the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Seems like no matter where you go, some patches of your grass will get greener and others will get browner.

[@angelafaires5317]

Thank you for sharing your experiences and opinions. My husband and I have been living here (in Funchal, Madeira, Portugal) for just over 2 months and I have been nodding my head in agreement with so much of what you say. It is important for people considering a move to Portugal to look at the pros and cons - which may be different for each person. We are loving it, but many, many things are different - every day is an adventure.

[@HO0660]

Of course, it is a different country. People also find the United States different from all the countries they come from but they adapt.

[@ellenc6821]

better be different that is why one move! Who can put up with America after soooo many years?

[@angelamayknight6125]

Another great video Michelle and Dan! I agree with everything you said. I moved at the end of the year last year and if I didn’t have the Facebook contacts that I made before I left, I would’ve been lost. They helped to make my new country a home. It is also true that things aren’t necessarily as inexpensive as I thought and taxes are complicated!! I purchased private insurance in January and just had my first experience going to CUF to get a check up and to be put in the system. So far it’s been a very positive experience. It’s also very important to learn to go with the flow and have patience when dealing with everything in Portugal. That being said, I love it and have no plans of moving back. Obrigada to you both 🥰

[@mscatnipper2359]

Thank you so much for these insights. After so many uplifting videos of life in Portugal, I've been yearning for more realistic details.

[@Robert_hill]

Great video you two. I think a lot of Americans aren't prepared for life outside the US.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thanks Robert!

[@anitaanita7162]

Finally an honest video on this subject. It would be nice if more KZbinrs would be more honest about living overseas. Good job guys 👏👏

[@JP_Edge]

This video could easily be titled “Reality Check” lol. Although I’ve enjoyed all your content over the past several months, this video by far is the most informative, especially for those like myself who are considering a big move outside my home country and what will definitely be a life changing experience! I’ve travelled 20 different countries and have found that with each new territory came with it its own set of challenges…and that was only when I was on a brief holiday! I’ve come to recognize that my main weakness is having patience in pretty much any challenging situation I might find myself in. As you’ve alluded to…slow down, learn the language, adapt and actively engage your local community. You nailed it here and are well on your way! 😊

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thank you!

[@marlonpdavids]

Portugal is not for everyone and that’s a good thing. It’s the same for every country. It all depends what’s important to you and what you want from life. I moved form the Uk to PT a year ago and there’s a few adjustments to make but overall Portugal aligns with my soul and the kids seem super happy which was all I wanted.

[@SlimTortoise]

I get what you are saying, I'm a Brit and after a few years living in France I just don't bother with local people anymore (we both speak French btw), Just a few English speaking friends. Having said that I never bothered with many people back in the UK. The reason I'm happy here in France is living in the country. House prices are lower than the UK. running a vehicle is cheaper and less people around too, We (my wife and I) often go to places and very often we are the only one's, when we lived in the UK (South of England), you really could not do anything without people all over the place. so it's the fact France suits our live style why we will be spending the rest of our lives here, The country not the people.

[@curtissharris8914]

This is what many people do that immigrate to USA...they form communities of their tribe, for some reason this is verboten for Americans to do when they move abroad.

[@maisiepoot5574]

I don't think they are saying it's "verboten", only that your experience will be different.

[@curtissharris8914]

@Maisie Poot It is obvious that it is easier to learn the local way of things but let's stop with the constant harranging and virtue signaling that it's somehow politely or otherwise required.

[@carpediemroses189]

Allo from Singapore!! I was thinking of moving to Portugal and am so glad to have stumbled onto your channel. Great advice!!! Your channel definitely deserve more views.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thank you!

[@MeganAbbottInMorocco]

Great video, as always! My partner and I found your channel months ago at the very beginning of our D7 process back in March and bingewatched all your videos! Now we are living here in Lisbon and loving it. We did not move directly from the US and had residencies in a few other countries for several years before our move here, but we still found so much truth in the points you mentioned. However, the one thing I would add that has been majorly discouraging (in Lisbon at least) is the housing situation. It's been shockingly time-consuming, expensive, and complicated to navigate finding a place to live here, and everyone we meet has said the same. We're used to landing in new places and finding housing solutions much more easily, but it's been a bit overwhelming here, and we still haven't found a long-term solution. I've watched your housing/new apartment videos though, and they give us hope! Thanks for all the awesome content you share, we love following you guys on here :)

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Great point! We have been able to avoid the issues with housing by timing and luck, but definitely feel for anyone looking for housing right now.

[@RichD2024]

Thank you for sharing your experience! Showing the dark side is probably more important than showing the great side of moving abroad.

[@nomadingnerds]

Great video as always! I can relate to all of it. We came to Portugal as a scouting mission to see if this was the place we wanted to live after leaving the US. I think, because we are such introverts, we felt alone for 2-1/2 months. While we enjoy each others company, we should have been more social. We joined meetup but it was when we were a week away from leaving Lisbon. Once we got to Porto we were sick for a week, then her dad came to visit. We should have made more of an effort in the Facebook groups we were in, FOR SURE. The positive side though, it did help us establish our work life on this new adventure, which may have been more important than friends at this stage. Perspective is key. We still LOVED Portugal and plan to come back! What we learned in the process was incredibly valuable either way. We learned so much about what we really want, where we feel comfortable, what we crave as far as food and nature, vs city and touristy. We left Portugal with the feeling of SUCCESS. Did we buy a house or apply for a year long stay, nope, but we now have a greater understanding of the country and what we want. Living there is definitely an option and it is still high on the list. For now, we go see the world 🙂

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Sounds like a success to me!

[@aurorahernandez9034]

Hello Honeymooners! This is a great video. We currently live in Round Rock, Texas and are wanting to move to Portugal. We look forward to your videos to get the "scoop" on moving to Portugal! We should meet up in Portugal next summer when we go "scope the land"!

[@StaceyPetersdbspouse]

These are all issues, but aren't necessarily tied to Portugal. I live in South Korea and all these things apply to my life here.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

We hope this helps you prepare for your move, or if you're already here, can give you some ideas on how to combat some of the difficulties many people face when moving to a new country! Have you experienced any of these? Is there anything we should add to this list?

[@jodiehebert8285]

I was wondering can you use Google Translate for instance, at the Pharmacy? Or maybe that is not sufficient? It is very important to get your meds correct, especially for depression or anxiety.

[@HEAVY1524]

you have both inspired and informed us alot thank you we move to madeira next month !

[@theartisanhomestead722]

Thanks for sharing this video! We moved to rural France (from Belgium) and a lot of these reasons could also be reasons to leave here. Another one to add in my opinion, for those with kids, is SCHOOL! That’s something we’ve been struggling with a lot. On paper and from what we researched before we moved, it is very similar here than in Belgium, but in real life, our kids are verry unhappy in school and that has a huge effect on our life here. So we don’t know if we’ll stay. It is something you can’t really know unless you move and try it out, like a lot of things!

[@tlrinn]

This was so incredibly helpful. It is so much better to get the truth and decide from there. Thank you.

[@mike520784]

Been in Portugal for 3 years. Spend most of my time waiting for documents and driving past car accidents. Already been run over and the insurance won't pay out for injuries. Nice weather though.

[@troytrey]

😂😂😂

[@marclarsson7533]

I had thousands of dollars stolen from a real estate agent in Tavira. Portugal is changing. The police were unresponsive when I filed the police report. I haven't seen an investigation yet and the robbery was last October. I understand theft is a big issue in Tavira. The safety ratings for Portugal have gone down dramatically everywhere. It used to be considered safe. Not any more. Be careful. Be safe.

[@whatsupwkirsten]

Great video guys! I think people get lost romanticizing "moving to Europe," without really knowing why they're coming here or what they're getting into. Adjusting is definitely different for everyone, and really parallels how people adjust to any of life's challenges. Thanks for keeping it real 😍-Kirsten

[@fdm2155]

A lot of these things are likely to be true no matter where you immigrate to especially if you don't speak the local language. People have to remember that they may get to a new country and decide it's not for them long term. It's a good reason to invest time/money in a discovery trip that allows you to stay there for a few weeks, not just a short vacation.

[@ninarosaphotography2039]

Thanks for yours beautiful vídeos. We’re from Texas. It’s very interesting recognizing to be great have your tribe . But everybody is so busy with life. Very understanding.

[@expeditionconfidential8853]

Great video Dan & Michelle! Check out the luscious locks on both yall! Gorgeous Couple! I understand all the valid points mentioned... however.... none of them sound/feel like deal breakers to us. Our crystal clear reasons and purpose for taking this leap are ingrained in our fibers. The first year will be hella challenging but our souls require this next chapter and new environment. The learning curve will expand our minds, hearts, and show us what we're made of. We'll be in Porto next month on a one-way ticket. Looking forward to hopefully crossing paths with you at some point. 💞

[@HoneymoonAlways]

With that mentality, you should be just fine!

[@catherinegifford7767]

So well said...🙏 best of luck

[@barbaragoisfa]

I saw you once in LX Factory last month! Your content is great, keep going ;)

[@CL-rh8ti]

I like this video, you’re sharing more of the “immigrant” reality and less of the glamorized online “expat life”. Great Portugal information and love hearing seeing your journey!

[@davidhassler9842]

Great perspectives on life here and some of the complexities folks need to be aware of! Muito obrigado!

[@nancyesposito1020]

Great video you touched on a lot of the things that are my concerns! Thank you

[@rickconnors4099]

I have been looking into taxes prior to making the move. Have gotten conflicting answers on various issues. Taxation of Roth IRAs, IRA withdrawals and Social Security, etc. Fell into a rabbit hole when I found out that US brokerage companies don’t like expats and investing in Europe can trigger severe issues with the IRS. Not stopping me though, I will someday make sense of it all!

[@maisiepoot5574]

Yes. It also amazes me that the answers to these (what I consider straightforward questions) are not available. And that various tax "experts" differ in their views.

[@jw841]

So glad I'm not an American and I don't have to deal with the IRS. Have many American friends abroad and its scary what they have to deal with.

[@joesantos2016]

I am a Portuguese citizen living in Toronto since I was a child. I am fluent in Portuguese and love visiting Portugal. I would never live there.There are reasons they continually lose 100,000 people a year. Low disposable income !! Very inconvenient to live. Extreme humid apartments, noise, climate not really that great ( summers cool in evenings). Anyway. Good luck. You are doing something I would never even consider

[@ellenc6821]

Americans are fed up. Guns, bad schools, bad food, fat people and more. That is why they are looking for greener places.

[@lyndapies]

I respect that. I am a Portuguese Canadian. My sister & I were born in Canada, and my parents were born in Portugal. In 2006, my family & I took a vacation to Portugal. I have to be honest with you, I did not have a good time there. I 😢 get me wrong I love seeing the island, but I just felt like I was out of place. I couldn't speak the language cause the only language I speak is English and the time zone affected me too. Plus I started to feel homesick. I was missing my home. I was happy to be back home. That was my experience when I went to Portugal. I do not want to live there either.

[@margotwilson539]

I moved to MX. For 10 years I have changed, irritability, depression, anxiety and so on. It’s like one has to wait forever to get 1 important thing done. Every morning when I wake up, I feel like this morning is going to be great. Wrong, everything seems difficult . I thought I would give Portugal would be better. Sounds like my life would be worse than it is in MX. Thanks for letting us know your opinion .

[@soniacoimbra15]

As a Portuguese person I am used to some of the stupid things people do and say here like yelling at you for being on the wrong line. 😅 People here just overreact and it doesn’t mean anything. The next moment they may be offering you help and smiling at you! 😊 Hope you enjoy being here :)

[@ellenc6821]

Americans are very touchy, and extremely sensitive and very superficial. Americans should stay in their country and never leave.

[@scenicviews222]

We are loving our exploration of Portugal in the past year. We watch a ton of videos and are making our own now too (our new favorite media to consume). Thank you for your informative and thoughtful contribution!

[@kathykaz3027]

Great video as always! I love your philosophy that "every situation is a chance to learn". Currently trying to learn patience as our house is taking longer than expected to sell, so it's pushing our timeline back. You both look calm and healthy--happy for you. Can we get the details on those earrings?

[@HoneymoonAlways]

The hoops are from Nordstrom! (the teen section lol) ✨

[@GoodMorningPortugal]

We are seeing more of this, which has surprised me. Great video (-:

[@francispowell1811]

Fantastic episode. Really comprehensive in its approach to the potential downside. Thank you, both!

[@farmerthd]

I know some people who have come to Portugal on a true trial basis. They haven't divested themselves of their home in the US and after a year or two, its a big decision for them to stay or go back

[@Larry-jh8gf]

Great seeing you all today! It's a small world!

[@scrillathekid5562]

Thank you for the transparency around taxes. A lot of KZbinrs in Portugal walk around the subject and totally mislead their audience.

[@adash7176]

Great video Michelle and Dan! Look forward to the next one 😊 Btw, Dan, your hair !! 👍👍

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Haha, I know! I honestly was surprised when I saw the footage of this video. Just hit different then what it looks like in the mirror.

[@negociogenial5814]

Brasilian imigrants tend wrongly to consider Portugal a second Brasil. They come, ( 400.000) between 2016/2022 ) they struggle for 3 years at least and some ( 3500 ) returned to Brasil with economic faillure, while all the others remain working and living here. After getting portuguese residence card in 2 years some 8% go to other european countries but they soon realize that portuguese quality of life is only possible here and they return. Our diversity attracts 170 different nations of students studying here during this year. Golden visa coming from China from 2010 wich are now leaving are being substitued by Americans. It's like a wave of oportunity. Those who found their roots here will stay, others will go away

[@fs5775]

Wherever you go, then there you are!

[@Benwa22]

After living there for more than a year, have you guys put any effort in learning the language, just like you would expect from people who migrate to the US?

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I (Dan) speak the language almost fluently. Michelle took lessons and still is practicing.

[@Benwa22]

@@HoneymoonAlways excellent. How did you learn it and how long did it take you to become fluent?

[@alsdesign94]

Whatever the place you pick to live, always will happen issues, that's normal, you are in a different country, culture, language, costumes, food...everything is new, and takes time to adjust to new environment.

[@HerAeolianHarp]

Thank you for a level-headed take on living in this year's trendy expat destination. Thirty years ago, it was Prague. It is always someplace, but people need to approach expat living understanding that it might bring both the best and worst of experiences. Also be prepared for what Uncle Sam does to expats in terms of taxation. Expat living is mostly rewarding for those who have ALWAYS been globally minded. It is not a panacea for American problems.

[@rheagalsim7497]

Great video! Definitely good to have a balanced view and finding a close community that is nurturing and supportive. People forget you’re moving to a new country with a whole set of values, so there’s bound to be some differences there.

[@templodotempo]

Take the time to invite over to dinner some of your portuguese connections. Bare with us, we are friendly and sometimes we're just shy, now and then we don't take the first step just because we guess that you're (because you're from abroad) not really into us. Us portuguese, like to be emotionally stable. Most of us don't invest in relationships with foreigners due to the fact that they might leave at any moment and that also because we tend to think that we're not enough for you. We value, really serious, down to the core, attachments... Be kind, curious, open, welcoming, and relieve us from the burden to be english fluent. The majority of us speaks english very well bat just in short sentences. Although we can engage in a conversation, it really doesn't mean that it's effortless. Wish you all the best. Love You ;)

[@binalcensored2104]

I never understood why people say that Portugal is cheap? Maybe the houses were less expensive, but the rest is about the same. I lived all across Europe and in the supermarket its all about the same. In fact soon I got to Copenhagen, I felt very confortable with the prices. Ok, the houses were about the double of the price than Portugal, but the supermarket was even less expensive.

[@marcussharpley5654]

Another good video. For me, not really an issue since we have lived abroad for over 20 years. However, for some folks moving out of the US for the first time it could be a serious challenge. The advice and tips presented here can help you prepare and work thru these issues. My thing for anyone making the move, intertwine yourself in the culture. Not from a judgment aspect or a compare contrast (as we Americans tend to do) but for an open-minded, I want to learn and understand perspective. Remember, wherever you go, this isn't America. They do things different (not right or wrong) it's how they do thing there. This change in norms will go a line way in making your transition smooth and may keep you there for the long haul. As far as taxes, well, that's another story. Talk to a tax specialist and prepare in advance. I keep an account that I put money into monthly that's available at the end of the year for things like this. I hope this helps. Again, great video with lots of helpful tips to cope with moving abroad.

[@ginapereira2301]

I like how you gave specific examples to explain the reasons you gave us. Thank you.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Thanks Gina

[@hownwen]

You mentioned taxes. Can you share a few recommendations? We want to retire to Portugal. We're scouting this October. Like you I've gotten tons of figures but nothing concrete. I have 1 meeting set up for next week with a Portuguese accountant. Everyone's on holiday in August ☺️ Thank you!

[@Solo50plus]

This is an important topic and you covered it well. Thanks for sharing :)

[@EarlWagner]

I've actually met too many people that it's overwhelming. I can't keep up with all the people that want to hangout every day and I'm having to actively trim my "friends" network. Most of these people are from the Meetup groups, some are random people from restaurants/bars, and some are from another good source not mentioned in this video... WhatsApp groups. We have a "long term friends group", a local neighborhood group, a "social life" group that posts events and random hangouts almost daily, a hiking group, etc.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

We have the same issue, now we are working on more meaningful relationships like your long term group. Now I haven’t really used WhatsApp groups for making friends before but sounds awesome.

[@Birdwomen123]

Thank you for this video

[@debbiegarza1287]

I’m glad you posted this. As the old saying goes, “If you live in paradise, where do you go to get away?”

[@JurassicB99]

Dont leave us ;( we love you!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Don’t worry, we aren’t leaving :)

[@nelsoncarreiro6099]

Great video appreciate you sharing tips and your persinsl experience and honesty

[@s.caldeira6486]

A lot of Portuguese like me dream of living in places like Bali, and you guys (digital nomadas) come along wanting to live her, it's funny. 😆 No one is never happy with what they have, some may just want to escape their family, or some other person....

[@HoneymoonAlways]

And then there are so many people trying to immigrate to the US while we wanted to leave.

[@s.caldeira6486]

So true 🙂🙃

[@armandolima823]

@@HoneymoonAlways Europeans, either from the north or south, don't relocate to the US my friend. The fact you can be in debt for the rest of your life over a splinter on your finger, or get jumped walking the street is scary. That "get rich or die trying" mentality is for people who have no idea what quality of life is all about.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

@@armandolima823 I appriciate the comment, but there are still Europeans relocating to the US all the time, its just a fact. And I wasn't even referring to Europe in my comment, but just stating that there are still lots of people who really want to move to the US.

[@Fzrox303]

@@armandolima823 FYI-Today (August 30, 2022), at LA’s Dodger Stadium, 2,100 new immigrants were sworn in as new Americans. They came from Europe, Latin America and the Caribbean, Asia and Africa. 😬

[@permissiontobewealthy]

You guys this video has been done SOOoOOO well! We have to give ourselves grace to manage through change. It’s all worth it in the end ❤️

[@michellegarcia8194]

A quick note on therapists. Yes, CA law does require therapists to meet other US states' requirements when the client is in a different state or jurisdiction. Because Portugal has no formal requirements, CA therapists can offer telehealth services to current clients traveling or living there. Something to check out.

[@desertdweller8520]

I'm a therapist. It is tricky. I am choosing to become a mental health coach and avoid all the legal issues. The states I'm licensed in require that you are licensed in both jurisdictions. On top of that, no one will probably insure you so if something goes wrong, the consequences are unknown. Not so easy. But it is possible.

[@Kimllg88]

Ive lived abroad all my life..including 14 in hong kong, 15 in London, 5 in Malaysia. Im no stranger to ajustment of any kind languages of all sorts, and burocracies. `The system here is broken, or severely backlogged. I have infinite patience and experience. The problem is HERE. Overhyped, oversold, and now...overpriced. It seems the people heading here have never lived abroad, this is the most difficult country `i have encountered...and look at my list of countries. This was a good move..maybe 10 yrs ago. ITs not us.

[@SuperBotanica]

This applies to all countries in the world - if you want to emigrate, you have to go on vacation several times in the country you know about the residence and visa conditions and building regulations. and of course have enough money in your pocket. many return to their home country because they don't have enough money. the younger generation has not learned how to deal with money, but older people also stick to old habits. that starts with eating. no one needs 3-6 meals a day. no one needs processed or fast food - that's all wasted money. we also don't have to change clothes every day and buy new clothes every month. emigration is expensive, so everyone should downsize their previous lifestyle

[@negociogenial5814]

About pharmacys one other information: in Lisbon we have a 24h pharmacy open 365 days a year in Benfica at Av. do Uruguai.

[@rodgedodgecook1849]

Great video. Very informative. Thanks so much for your thoughts.

[@shinyshinythings]

Pain management … for sure it’s different here (in Europe). I had some injuries that in the US any doctor would have given me pain meds for. I was given Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen. It was kind of a relief because I don’t like narcotic pain meds!

[@ellenc6821]

U.S healthcare ranks 37th in the world

[@kinslowrainer3982]

I think this is an excellent video. I can't stress enough how valuable it is--not only for moving to Portugal, but for anyone wanting to become an expat anywhere in he world--and I hope it gets viewed widely. Can I assume your intended audience is 20-something Americans?

[@Constellasian]

Wow. There's a certain way to stand in line for the restroom in Portugal?

[@alaenke]

This is great for moving anywhere. I lived in China and Thailand for 11 years, and I found similar things there as well.

[@MacTravellers]

I suspect many of those leaving are the ones than haven't picked up the language?

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Most people that stay don’t pick up the language either. Most people come planning to put in effort on the language only to realize how hard it is, especially when so many people speak English to them making it hard to practice. Not sure that makes much of a difference.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Hi Paula, I really wish I could agree with you, but learning Portuguese was probably the hardest thing I have learned in my adult life. Learning any 2nd language is hard. Also, almost everyone I know here has really tried to learn and taken immersive classes. Unfortunately, it’s really hard to practice since most Portuguese speakers respond in English. I leaned Portuguese in Brazil and it was easier because less people speak English there. Now I just need to learn to speak like the Portuguese speak!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Can you share some tips that you learned when you were learning Portuguese as a native English speaker? It was extremely hard for me and all the other native English speakers I know say it is very difficult. Maybe you know something we don’t?

[@ppietrap3876]

@@HoneymoonAlways Pardon me for giving my perspective as a native with foreign friends that have struggled with portuguese. I believe it can be hard to learn because of the peculiarities of the accent/phonetics, which heightens people fear of making mistakes when speaking and their frustration when listening. This reduces their will to practice their skills which is also compounded by the fact that many portuguese around them end up speaking English to make it easier to communicate. Portuguese really needs practice through conversation, and people cannot be afraid of making mistakes - be more tolerant if you don’t nail it, people will almost certainly still be able to understand you, and give you feedback from which you can learn. If you can, enrol in an intensive class, that will help break some of those barriers. Better of all would be to have a friend with whom you could speak regularly in Portuguese. Regular conversation practice is the secret.

[@chadandalicehervey738]

Well said moon crew, Definitely moments of ,wtf am I doing here arise ,until I remember why and remind ourselves those reasons.You are correct about “Everything is different “….thanks for the post. Chalice….

[@lisemae]

Thanks for shareing, it was really help full for us.

[@oesoy]

Out of curiosity, how proficient are you folks with the Portuguese language? I imagine there is a strong relationship between language proficiency and cultural adaptability.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I (Dan) am pretty fluent and Michelle is a beginner still. Knowing the language definitely helps!

[@silviaresende5104]

If a lot more people are moving to Portugal is absolutely normal that more people end up leaving country, right?? Well, I´m brazilian and I speak portuguese and took me 4 years to start loving Portugal. Now I really don´t want to leave country. There is only 1 thing that I hate here: the temperature of the water in the beach, even in summer (18 degrees north, 22 south).

[@tiinat9606]

Such a great video and topic!!!

[@roshandacummings3423]

I wonder if you've traveled or lived in very difficult places (Uganda, for instance, or Cambodia, Lower-Mississippi, New Mexico, Central California, or New Orleans, where my little family lives now), if Portugal becomes a step-up dream. Nothing in the places I mentioned above work. At all, haha. Everything in New Orleans, from the municipal point of view, is so unthinkable, it becomes daily hilarity (and that's no rag on Nola; as a person of color, my grandmother originates here and it's how the city evolved historically. Currently, Louisiana ranks 50th FOR EVERYTHING in the Union). Don't try to get anything done that has anything to do with the local government because it won't happen above a wish and a prayer, which sounds like Portugal. Half of the city doesn't have roads and they're not getting them anytime soon... which feels totally like Uganda, haha. So, when I hear about everything being hard or the bureaucracy is impossible, as my husband prepares to move us, my overall feeling is, "Oh, yeah, totally. That feels normal." We've developed an incredible patience and humor, which feels like prep. I'm a bit relieved. Cafes! No oil rigs! Streets! And I maybe won't have to fish syringes up from the sidewalk so my infant won't step on them. We have a baby under 2 so I am crossing fingers this is an "in" with other Portuguese loving people. Wish us luck!

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I haven’t lived in any of those places but can’t compared, I’m sure it’s not the worst here.

[@catherinegifford7767]

True Roshanda, living in Zimbabwe, people in 1st world countries have no idea haha. No electricity for weeks, terrible roads, basic foods, no pensions that work anymore, theft due to so many starving, day to day struggle for many.....Good luck with your move 🙏

[@穷游实录]

Good advice! I am traveling in Lisbon now for a few days. I wonder whether you can refer me a good English spoken accountant to speak to. Also, I would like to know where to shop for the required medicine policy? Thanks 🙏

[@s.b.4877]

After a year of living in Portugal (and I am moderately fluent in speaking Portuguese), my wife and I are leaving because we are just tired of being burned. Examples: 1. Drivers License Exchange and Vehicle Legalization A. We found that our migration agency had left out key information regarding the drivers license exchange (luckily we did last minute KZbin research that saved us on that one) that would have made it impossible to do the exchange in-country. Then on the legalization of our car, they went months without communicating with us before the move, and then gave us incomplete information. We finally had to leave them behind for that process. It's like they wanted to do just the easy things and for the more complex things, like vehicle legalization, they just ignored them. B. On our second try at vehicle legalization, the agency rep became visibly anxious and overwhelmed each time we dropped docs off (we found ourselves having to use humor and to slow down the interactions with the hope of minimizing the stress of the situation), then in a huge error calculated our IVA at 100,000 euros (she inputted the conversion factor we had used for miles to kilometers rounded to a whole number as the carbon monoxide percentage). We were the ones that caught the error and she was the one who was supposed to be the expert! C. With our third try at vehicle legalization, the agency partner (a two-person office) collected our prepayment of 2400 euros and then stopped communicating with us after 4 days. This was a highly rated agency in Lisbon. The agency partner promised to provide information to the auto service for items installations and adjustments, I took the car to the shop, and after four days had to retrieve the car because the agency partner failed to contact the service. I followed up with the agency partner three times over that week and three times he promised me that he would call. He didn't call and then stopped all communications with me. The only time the agency partner contacted me after that was when I gave a negative Google review, and to tell me that the review was unfair and unjustified. The agency partner has refused to refund our money and we've had to secure legal representation in order to try to get the money back. D. We found a shop that supposedly specializes in Subaru's (we own a Legacy), contacted them, they told us they would help us and then did not call us back (this was previous to the auto service described above, which was the fourth auto service we had contacted and that said they would help us). This was repeated again with the second and third auto service centers that we contacted, they just never called us back after agreeing to provide the service. 2. Apartment Leasing A. With our first lease, the apartment owner required 12 months advance lease payments. We were under time pressure to meet the contract requirement for our temporary visa, so felt we had no choice except to sign the contract. We moved into the apartment before it had been cleaned and some small repairs had been done, because it had been vacated and utilities had not been activated before our move-in. We had found that the Portuguese Civil Code allows for a maximum of 3 months advance payment only, and when we challenged this legally after the contract had been signed, the apartment owner refused to do ANY cleaning or repairs. We had to pay lawyers to gain an early revocation of the lease. B. After moving from the first apartment, we found that due now to such high demand in Lisbon in 2022, the 12 months advance lease payments that had been expected by the first apartment owner are essentially the norm. For us this was 18,000 to 20,000 euros out-of-pocket. We are retired, financially independent, have FICO scores in the mid 800's, and are being told that landlords are "afraid" that we can't pay our rent. To us it's maneuvering and predatory, and we won't do it as a matter of principle. With the above having been noted, we love the everyday common people, the store cashiers (most of them!), the older folks walking on the streets and sitting in the parks. We love our Portuguese realtor and we love our Portuguese lawyer, both are timely and efficient. We've loved the history around us in Portugal and we've loved the scenery. But we're going back home.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

Damn, you’ve had it bad! Best of luck with the move back.

[@s.b.4877]

I will say that we loved your videos about Portugal. We watched you for months as we prepared for the transition and you were very helpful! Best to you also!

[@terriblepainter7675]

Thanks for sharing your experience. We also imported a car from the US (an older Volvo we purchased in Europe originally) and it was also a very complicated process in dealing with the Portuguese bureaucracy to bring it back to Europe. I would not recommend it. With the 12 months lease upfront we only encountered this once, but we knew the law and didn’t go for it. We went through a realtor to find an apartment and it was all very solid. I had to show bank statements that we can support ourselves which we did. Our Portuguese landlord is great so far and he lived in the US for a while so that helps. We dealt with difficult situations that required a lot of paperwork in the past and we learned that one can’t let it come too close, just go with the flow and just do what they ask for. Don’t fight it. I have a new credit card here in Portugal with a ridiculously low limit (like back in college) and recently asked for an increase so I can maybe buy a flight ticket online. Haven’t heard back for 5 weeks (??) and then they emailed and were asking for income or tax statements. They said in the email if you’re still interested (??) to provide those…. Like you we are also independent and have fico in 800s so this feels ridiculous since our account is showing a good balance every month… but we’ll deal with it. The 3D secure system my card is linked with didn’t work anymore since their upgrade and I can’t use that card anyway for a few weeks now…the tech support has been working on it for weeks and my ticket is still open… but when I hear about what’s going on in the US and rising cost, we are happy to be here and have some normalcy. We are originally from Europe so maybe we feel more at home but we certainly feel the backdrops in daily life situations. As they say, there is always good and bad in each country. Anyway, hope you find what you’re looking for when going back.

[@ppietrap3876]

@@terriblepainter7675 if you are a new client and a new resident in Portugal, seems reasonable to ask for more documentation to increase the credit card "plafond"... Credit Cards have higher requirements in Portugal, and using Debit Cards is more common. You can also use MBNet associated with your bank credit/debit card for online transactions as well, it should work in most places.

[@terriblepainter7675]

@@ppietrap3876 Sure, if new then that's fine. But After 2.5 years I don't consider this being a new client. If a client has shown responsible behavior with an account and a higher balance than the requested plateau, a modest request of credit increase should be granted easily without paperwork and not after 5 weeks of not responding, considering that the client is also not dependent on income. What is the worth of income statements anyway if one loses their job tomorrow? 2. MB banking is great but not widely offered by merchants. What's the point of having a credit card if one has to defer to MB banking or debit card...Amaz*n for example, doesnt accept MB and debit card 3. Anyway, the bank has some 3D security glitches for weeks now so I have to rely on my foreign credit card for traveling. 😅 Just too many barriers in basic things that should normally flow easily.

[@carollogan1650]

Thanks for sharing such great insights!

[@lucchese20]

Thanks Michelle & Dan for this video. After 2+ years considering a move to PT, I’ve learned to put more weight in YT videos by folks like yourself that live there vs others just passing through. I lived in Italy many years ago and, yes, it takes a lot of time to “figure stuff out”-and I didn’t have Facebook to help me either! BTW-on taxes (not trying to get Dan’s hair to fall out 😁) my approach prior to moving to PT is to consult with both a tax expert at home as well as in PT. Does this make sense? Cheers.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

I would add to consult more than one Tax expert in Portugal since some may not be telling you the whole story

[@lucchese20]

@@HoneymoonAlways Thanks for your input.

[@jodiehebert8285]

I guess you can’t use Turbo Tax anymore in PT. 😏

[@ppietrap3876]

About your doctor’s comments I have to say that unfortunately in Portugal a lot of doctors seem to feel entitled to make remarks or even to criticise their patients in many different situations, coming out as rude, borderline unprofessional. They can be a little snobbish and above reproach, which makes it even worse because generally they don’t even care too much if you complain.

[@HoneymoonAlways]

We have felt this way with several doctors visits

[@ppietrap3876]

@@HoneymoonAlways that is unfortunate. I have had my share of situations but you experiencing it with several doctors in such a short time was unexpected 😔. I imagine it is also probably compounded by cultural differences and language difficulties - since doctors have such bad "filters" it becomes "easier" to come out as rude in English 😔!!

[@fs5775]

In the US, doctors have to be Very Careful about any word that comes out of their mouth because they can be sued. This can be very frustrating. For example, my elderly father drinks way too much and is overweight, affecting his daily life significantly. Yet, he always comes back from his doctor's appointments saying the doctor said, "he's fine." They can't be real with patients. Another example: I have a friend who's a cardiologist who sees morbidly obese patients regularly who have heart attacks. When he asks them if they exercise and about their diet, they regularly lie to him (given their size, it's not physically possible for what they say to be true) but my friend the doctor can't call them on their lies. Just listen and advise a healthy diet and exercise... patient leaves thinking they're "fine"... till next heart attack...

[@ppietrap3876]

@@fs5775 I wasn’t referring to doctors making an analysis about your health or they being blunt about healthier habits, I was talking about side comments or personal judgements that in no way improve health or communication, and many times saying it in a demeaning or paternalistic way. This is more common with older doctors. Younger doctors usually have better communication skills.

[@terriblepainter7675]

I noticed that the doctors don’t introduce themselves when they treat you, I had an ultrasound and thought it was the tech until I had to ask her what her role was. She was the radiologist. In a different Situation a doctor wanted to make a decision for me, basically overriding my preference and educated decision I already made after weighing risks and benefits. I find it very patronizing and inappropriate.

[@rebeccagutierrez1960]

I just got back from Portugal 4 days ago. I was in Lisbon and Porto only. I came across quite a number of people that didn't speak English or Spanish which is the other language I speak... thank God I knew some Portuguese otherwise I don't know what I would have done. I know for sure that I wouldn't not be able to live in Lisbon or Porto. Too spread out for me. Now I live in the heart of the countryside in Puerto Rico and I'm having mixed feelings. However, I would like to return. I absolutely loved it there, but I'm now sort of debating if I would actually live there.

[@suzipam1234]

I live in rural portugal and I can say it was ideal. A small village where interaction is had when you initiate it but it’s not noisy or problematic. I love it

[@JenShea]

Excellent video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I am smiling here because this is supposed to be 5 reasons but you keep turning back to the positives. ☺️ It’s great that they don’t over-prescribe narcotics. It’s a horrible situation in the US! Americans are the only people who are double-taxed. (Not my favourite subject either Dan).

[@shinyshinythings]

We don’t get “double taxed” in countries that have a tax treaty with the US.

[@stuartoconnor538]

Great video, thanks for your honesty.