Why South Africans Think Mandela Died in Prison

[@adamski_200]

Calling Madiba "Nelly" is mad 😂

[@teamphashash]

😂😂😂😂

[@tholakelesaule9517]

😂😂😂😂😂 Never heard any person calling him that

[@musamambane5349]

When he said,they used wild dogs🤣🤣

[@BohlalePesa]

It's AI. You know how erroneous it is

[@samfipaza7729]

😂

[@SboDuma]

Mandela died in prison. He didn't serve 27 years there. He served 18 years and was taken away from Robben Island. That's where the "Asimbonanga" song started. For 9 years, his fellow comrades did not know where he was. It was Robert Sobukwe who spent 27 years.

[@NtandoyenkosiMthembu-fc4ul]

Ngicela ukubuza la ngoba uthi wanyamalala iminyaka ew9 ushukuthi wayeseyqedile iminyaka yakhe wahamba sukela lapho noma wabulawa amabhunu ukuthi afake oFake ongawina ukhetho bese bemdonsa ngekhala loyo

[@kingship444]

@@NtandoyenkosiMthembu-fc4ulbruh the boers had nothing to do with this, this was the cia and America to establish control over south Africa

[@jmpgroupandmalopeptyltd3856]

says someone who doesn't even have one fact based on his statement

[@Ghost-tx4ft]

18 years on Robben island and the rest in Paarl.

[@jmpgroupandmalopeptyltd3856]

Thats what you heard you know nothing about that history. Mandela had children and family. how would you attest to that. so the kids agreed to just support someone as their father? What does DNA say

[@sekoaib]

This is the first time I’ve heard this even as a South African

[@Zahspree]

I've been aware of it since 2018

[@MuziwendodaNgobese]

Wake up

[@thulioctavia8868]

I too been hearing this kind of story and the divorce with Winnie, imagine your wife waited for you for 27 years in prison when you come back you divorce? A true SAn wouldn't say "South Africa for all " after this whole tragedy of apartheid the black nation faced,that's why majority of the people are considering him as sellout they don't even participate on that "so cold " 67 minutes of the Mandela day

[@IrisJeraldine]

​@@thulioctavia8868his a sellout. 😂Fw de klerk was the biggest supporter of apartheid he killed more of us than he could've helped and banned the parties who were fighting against apartheid all including the most biggest one anc, the only wsy they would of got the nation in control is by controlling anc so he frees Nelson and does exactly that to avoid resistance and rebellion of black ppl or he was afraid that all parties like communist party, PAC. And many more would have merged . I mean it's very easy they were many leaders including Winnie who fought more and were more dedicated some were killed or exiled or arrested but they were not given tribute and dedication but only the one who agreed with a apartheid supporter

[@aspekt7631]

same, I guess this is where the Mandela effect comes from.

[@ruhanhuman3190]

It was never the apartheid government but the freemasons.

[@IsraelTwala]

Thank you man. Thank you.they are in charge of 4 political parties in SA. ANC,EFF,DA and Action SA.The Oppenheimer family are freemasons and fund these Parties. Apartheid would have gone longer but rebellion became too strong so they out with this Mandela character to calm black people down. Rest In Peace real Mandela.

[@grizz2549]

Preach

[@grizz2549]

They built our parliaments

[@chippakaribafox2865]

The whole africa most dont know​@@grizz2549

[@uno_tvm]

Knights of Malta

[@peterplaatjies9267]

As a child of that time.. my unanswered question was.. why would a man who was in jail for 27 years not marry the woman who waited and fought for him? Ai!!😢

[@Eve-life622]

My sentiments EXACTLY 💯. This drives me mad. Winnie is my hero, she fought to keep his name alive, sacrificing her own life and then in the end...😢

[@edmundsishange3608]

@peterplaatjies9267 what are you talking about, they were already married before he went to jail.

[@peterplaatjies9267]

@@edmundsishange3608 tomato tamato

[@outclasstours1342]

That's because he couldn't because you can't marry the same person twice without divorcing them first.

[@peterplaatjies9267]

@@outclasstours1342 congratulations.. you won.. nothing! 🤡

[@nastrothefitnessguru1610]

Whenever they label something "Conspiracy Theory" theres something that they dont want you to know.

[@emilschneider9974]

Agreed, it means its time to start listening. I believe there is a term going around called conspiricy fact.

[@ngwzi5229]

Nah

[@owaminguse8089]

​​@@ngwzi5229yep. Its a mind game to make people question their mindset and ignore common sense. Just like what the media did with Jacob Zuma, Donald Trump and covid 19 vaccines. Millions of people including me are only waking up now to the truth.

[@gideondejongh838]

Exactly or that you should not ask certain questions.

[@sicelomvdmedia7705]

Nonsense😂

[@sakhilemashego8299]

Winnie also knew hence she always said he came out a different man n they painted her as unfaithful to discredit her story b4 she she spoke.

[@decepticon8000]

And Dali Mpofu is being blamed for something that he did not do?

[@PortLiver-s8n]

True she knew it and thats Why they forced a divorce he wasn't Mandela (Madiba)

[@edmundsishange3608]

@sakhilemashego8299 you are misleading the public. Winnie was referring to his changed ideologies when she said he came back a different man(she did not mean he was somebody else) Mandela was removed from prison by the Apartheid govt 2 years before officially releasing him to the public, they held private meetings with him convincing him to dump his radical objectives hence many call him a sellout these days, this is what Winnie was referencing.

[@edmundsishange3608]

@decepticon8000 he did do it

[@decepticon8000]

@@edmundsishange3608 it's what I thought as well, I'm just trying to understand the boundaries of this theory. Like is there something else that we thought we knew about him that is also a part of this? - How many of his kids did he "actually" lose while still alive?

[@thembinkosidube3918]

The truth will set South Africa free, God bless Thank you 💕...

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

What god? Baal

[@rasasvada2007]

ahhh

[@samuelprett]

dong bring God into your idiocy LOLLL

[@CandiceStacySmith]

😂😂😂

[@BensonOkereke]

Nelly nelly Mandela

[@SIMSimataaTS-bc6zc]

True Mandela died ,1984 , Winnie realized she was with a wrong men as husband we all know what she went through.

[@SiphiweSithole-ne9tk]

😅😂😅

[@sonjamarx7144]

Agree, there call it now rhe Mandela project

[@ronaldbaatjes2470]

I firmly believe Winnie Madikizela very early on ,cottoned onto the fact that Rolihlahla was an impostor.

[@godschosen1952]

@@sonjamarx7144The Mandela effect actually

[@ruudmbeje50]

Were you there? Are you the witness? 😂😂😂😂😂 Ai niyabhora shame ngalento yenu

[@stellastar8275]

My granny died last yr at 98yrs old Nd she used to say thats not the Mandela she knew..

[@thae5618]

Did she ever live with him?

[@joshkomape3407]

😂

[@siyapinini-mx7si]

Wayelixoki loo makhulu wakho

[@bongamagazi279]

​@@siyapinini-mx7si😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Nsibidiimohtep-pf9gh]

It's the truth and facts.Bcos why does his wife divorce him.alots of secrets and evil of the criminals nazicist Netherlands simple.

[@KayDeeDuiker]

I believe the only mistake was forgiving people who never asked for forgiveness really. Furthermore. Ownership of resources minerals and agricultural land never addressed on how people acquired that "private land" an average native south african dies not even own a quarter of a acre. Just saying. Poverty gives back to either oppressors or revolutionaries.

[@ndabezinhlekhuzwayo6870]

Mmh so what would be the solution to the problems you think we have and what would you have done in Mandelas shoes?

[@jennincouplin]

True, SA is still a Whites Country they own 75% of the land and economy. The last Black Government was created to fail, hence the ANC is ''partially dead'' at the moment.

[@joneschilufya867]

@@ndabezinhlekhuzwayo6870even a better question for u, do u think our colonisers wud have forgiven us without asking for forgiveness if we committed atrocities onto them that run deep into generations ?

[@ndabezinhlekhuzwayo6870]

@@joneschilufya867 answer my question

[@RaymondMatsoso-m3f]

@@ndabezinhlekhuzwayo6870 you are right he wouldn't do anything that man they named Mandela and yet he was not a real Mandela

[@ORAX9-Q7s]

Nothing is as it seems in this World

[@ZweliMbhamali]

And You're right

[@clementjoymasinamela4244]

We are living in the Matrix

[@KaraboMaleka-il8lr]

Were you living under the rock

[@Counchee]

The world isn't in black and white only...there are many grey areas

[@samuelprett]

Especially for the stupid

[@SpurDrive]

I've personally spoken to the daughter of Mandela, whom he had hidden because she was conceived outside his courtship with Winnie. She is still unknown to the wider public and she confirms that whatever they buried in December 2013 wasn't her father.

[@GrumpyTinashe]

For real?

[@edbee7674]

What a lie to the unknown child.Not reliable source

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

So true. Many believe that today

[@Junetsh67Mash]

Blue lies

[@user-vx2xq3vi4o]

Lol..she didn't even his father or saw the corpse because she is unknown family even now

[@Kingmakas]

I believe this theory too, most decisions and perfection makes one question him.

[@lavhelesaniephraim8270]

There is a sense of truth to this theory, considering the fact that most South African people's retirement destinations are their homeland why would this one die in the city?

[@coryholmes1]

Bro fr and the fact that the comment section really doesn’t want to listen and understand what the vid’s saying is insane

[@lwandlemanyisane2191]

He died in the city because he had to be treated at the military hospital. He was buried back home in Qunu. I’m not disputing or agreeing with this video but there’s nothing strange about him dying in the city

[@siyapinini-mx7si]

😂😂😂 yekwani nimuncu

[@kingship444]

@@coryholmes1bro im telling you, there was a broadcast while he was in prison that he died and all of a sudden hes alive again, why did he have such close ties to the us government? I personally think he was a clone and the us used him as a puppet to establish full control of south africa

[@shimimotau2453]

Yes real mandela died around 1985

[@edmundsishange3608]

🤣

[@shimimotau2453]

@@edmundsishange3608 I lost a picture 5 years ago someone post a picture of mandela from a newspaper

[@Urakxaokhweb1847]

People can't even comprehensively figure out that Mandela was an agent the real one of course our people forget this was a man who had multiple identities during his path of struggle. Only Agents who have multiple id's or passes due to the Agents use code names not real names... Secondly He was sentence for treason and that was punishable by death but he wasn't punished by death but life in Prision. Real Mandela visited London while he was in Prision in 1969 do we still allege he was killed still? In the 1970s there were journalists who had the impression that Mandela was not in Prison and they had to visit and saw that with their own and found the old man carrying a spade doing prison duties. Why Patrick Lekota now Mosuia Lekota said they saw Mandela far from their prision cells and stated that they were privileged more than them at the time? Real Mandela had multiple id's and passes but people can't figure out he was an agent. People are Busy with Gibson Makhanda whom was the alias of Mandela. Nothing makes sense about Mandelas history and family too but people are quick to premeditate this as he was killed in 1985 why at time but why not in 1964? Nothing makes sense about this ordeal concerning the real Mandela but people are so hypnotic about Gibson Makhanda because nothing makes sense at all about who Mandela was.

[@edmundsishange3608]

@@Urakxaokhweb1847 You have a wild imagination

[@wandasifiso4053]

😂😂😂😂 u never knew u jst twisting ur mindset

[@lindaniqwabe-mk6bl]

All those people who fought for freedom they know everything about this including zuma, when Zuma said ", i will speak", if i can speak this country will burn ", but then up until now he never speak because it's dangerous secret, once a rumours you must know that 90% its true, in Zulu language we're saying ",ayinuki ingosiwe",

[@agnesmagagula1324]

100% true we've been brainwash the white government and the black government knows the whole truth

[@gasisa78]

Nelson Mandela wouldn't not have agreed to sell out his ppl it was Gibson Makhanda all along.

[@ThembaKubheka-ku4sv]

Mr. Jeff Masemola is the only person that knew the whole story , hence he was killed in a car accident .#Research that name

[@Fuzzy_Halo]

Hi thanks for that. I researched his name but I couldn't find anything. Can you perhaps post a link?

[@vizadlokweni8218]

He spent 27 years In robben Island and was suppose to be President over Nelson and he didn't want to participate in Codessa negotiations and they killed him, M16 killed him

[@lebohangvictor7883]

Who is M16

[@spheleleNgubane-wf4de]

@@lebohangvictor7883 I think it's a british agency,they operate internationally and many people in south africa were known for being taken care of by them including Ramaphosa.

[@chosasangos3462]

Jeff masemola was the longest serving prisoner on robben island

[@noncedosimayile7502]

A Mozambican who learned isiXhosa in less than 5 years, spoke it more fluently than many of us, while other foreigners who have lived among us for over 15 years,but their accent still reveals that they are not native Xhosa speakers.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thokozanimaziya7548]

It can happen easily some people learn any language within a year so five is too long to learn a language more especially on this case of makhanda

[@tshepomathibeng3423]

Learning to speak fluently in nguni languages is very easy if one is dedicated and devoted to the task. 5 years is too much.

[@patiencemagitshima3925]

You'll never know maybe there was battery somewhere 😂😂

[@agripajackson781]

@@thokozanimaziya7548 lets take example from foreigners how many languages they are speaking within less than a year that one is not real mandela same as the way they lie to the world about how they went to the moon but they never go there up to now

[@hewantssomespecialtreatmen7163]

Anyone can learn to speak the Xhosa language fluently but the only litmus test for us who speak the language is the "accent", we can easily tell if someone has hijacked our language through the accent but we won't tell them & they may think they got it 100%

[@mabaker391]

Imagine the violence that would ensue if the people knew that Mandela died in captivity....

[@21CP]

Further bolstering the theory, the NP knew SA would burn if we found out, they had a lot to gain by making a clone and we know vele that bunch could stoop to the lowest level to keep power

[@mabaker391]

@@21CP agreed 100% but did the previous government create the double? Or did USA? They're the ones that benefitted most from Nelson Mandela 2.0.... He signed SA over to US that turned us into a corporation - to be traded on. Chris Hani was also removed - by America? because he wouldn't play ball with America either - just as they tried to do with Trump about 3 weeks ago.... We are ALL just pawns in a very few evil hands....

[@patiencemagitshima3925]

There was too much violence in that 1985 , too much anger people were burning each other , that is what I'm asking myself ,why

[@jasonm7292]

You can’t speak on a ‘Mandela conspiracy’ and not speak about the ‘Mandela effect’ and how that phenomena got its name. It may have been coined in 2009 however for many years prior to his release many South Africans can account a nation wide radio broadcast that announced his death (*reference the song you mentioned). Some may perhaps argue that the account of a radio broadcast is a perfect example of the Mandela effect itself, but it’s also hard to ignore that Nelson Mandela the terrorist went in and “Nelly(😂)” the pacifist was released into the warn embrace of Jeffrey Zients(Joe Biden’ current Chief of Staff)

[@abigailmndebele7892]

Don't use that word terrorist though, we weren't and will never be terrorists in our own continent of Azania. Them evil , greedy colonisers, thieves are the terrorists and terrorised people to steal from them.

[@kingship444]

Maybe he did die and was cloned, america patented cloning technology in the 1960 already. I genuinely think he died and was cloned to be used as a puppet for the went to establish full control over South Africa

[@inqabayezilimi-cb6ei]

The first person to have spilled the beans had Nelson Mandela been not the REAL ONE would have been Winnie Mandela. Winnie was a no nonsense lady and would never have kept quiet. If the Mandela we know was an imposter from Zimbabwe or Mozambique how was it possible for him to fool all real Nelson Mandela's contemporaries who were with him in prison and real Nelson Mandela's lawyers? The story of Mandela who died and that of an imposter is BLUE LIES. K. E. Hlongwane Emmanuel Keih

[@edmundsishange3608]

The fact that so many people believe this BS just goes to show how much we lack critical thinking, it's really concerning and embarrassing.

[@retetsemasitise3063]

Also we couldnt have come this far without knowing of Mandela's death if ever he really died at that particular time. That was by far a famous person for us not to know about his death. I too believe lies have been fabricated here.

[@edmundsishange3608]

@@retetsemasitise3063 Exactly. Why would his own family and comrades keep this a secret for so long, why do they stand to gain by lying for 40 years?

[@user-vx2xq3vi4o]

True

[@HermanShoeshoeLebona]

​@@retetsemasitise3063He was famous but unknown to public in the 60s, 70s,80s until he was released his photos were banned by Apartheid government and the public didn't know how he looks looks like and couldn't tell who it would be when he was released. Therefore, there could be a possibility to this theory, especially if you see the U-turn of ANC policies and the distance of this Mandela to the people and his proximity to liberal whites. Apartheid sensored all media publications therefore we were in the dark about our freedom fighters that were incasoration and in exile. Those that were in communities were hunted and had to be underground to escape the cruelty of apartheid forces.

[@tshepongobeni8741]

Gibson Makhanda was his name... Kin Folk, an expert in numerology did a research on him, proving he wasn't the real Mandela.

[@GrumpyTinashe]

I don't know if the rumour is true or not But I'm a 50 year old and am a history scholar and long before this theory started I always used to say if you look at Mandela in years before his Rivonia Trial his facial features and voice and speech style are indeed different. He had a rounder face Something just seems a bit off about the whole thing

[@kunleadesegun6400]

Yes his face was rounder during the prison years.

[@sihleftthem]

Y'all just like drama that's the real man

[@ayandavincent3531]

If u know that in America there something called "Mandela Effect",did u know the definition of "Mandela Effect"? If u don't,go to Google it

[@samuelprett]

Your head was round now its square lmao

[@BeeMotsi]

​@@samuelprettYour old enough to type lwabish

[@user-vx2xq3vi4o]

So..his kids,his wife,his siblings,cousins, comrades None of them was able to see that and only the public? Nonsense

[@eugenemutileni6488]

Agree with you. This is madness.

[@Nightmare_come_to_life]

@@eugenemutileni6488there are things called non disclosure agreements. And do you think any of them would remain alive after uttering such truths?

[@taydokhama]

I'm a South African and never in my life have i heard nor believed "nelly" died in prison. Wtf😂 who made this video And ya'll calling Mandela "nelly" is wild 😂😂😂 Someone needs to take this video down for real

[@stevensamuels2488]

Nelson Mandela did die in jail he was replaced by someone from Mozambique

[@KaraboMashile-sy2og]

Show Us Proof Ndoda Don't Just Talk Nonsense

[@avuyilemayekiso2254]

​@KaraboMashile-sy2og the fake mandela is Gibson makhanda, if you really want proof come to mthatha il take you to mvezo or emqhekezweni I don't stay far from those places the people from there will tell you the truth about mandela

[@rawamothoa9935]

….lena la nyela maan…. How did he remember everything about his homestead and childhood..?

[@avuyilemayekiso2254]

@@rawamothoa9935 I don't know but there's a scare that the real mandela had on his back that he got as a young man in mvezo the mandela that came out of prison didn't have that scare

[@UbukaOnline]

​@@KaraboMashile-sy2ogbecause you cant see thats why you need a proof.

[@ObeyMagocha-e2p]

I knew it 20 years ago That's the reason why Winnie divorced him but still using the Mandela name She was bribed

[@adaezeamara4376]

Poor woman who knows what's she is keeping inside of her. After all her sufferings

[@imarakashagama599]

This is the first i've heard this bizarre conspiracy story. I do not think it is true. But if it is, Makanda deserves a medal and respect for playing the role of Mandela - who may not have lived to see his dream come true of a free South Africa. So now we have two heroes - Nelson Mandela and Gibson Makanda. Makanda agreed to live out the life of Mandela and to die as Mandela, and Mandela lived on thru Makanda. Two men - one life, two lives - one man. Out of Africa always something new. Insane, wild, fascinating, incredible, unbelievable, bizarre.

[@retetsemasitise3063]

And the whole country failed to be aware of Mandelas death and only get to know ages later that he died at that particular time? I doubt the place of his burial can be established if ever he died in around 1985. Something doesnt add up here. There is no way a prestigous person like that it cant have his death known of by the whole community.

[@SandileGcwabaza]

makanda is your hero not ours

[@SandileGcwabaza]

@@retetsemasitise3063 what if he was never buried?

[@retetsemasitise3063]

@@SandileGcwabaza everything should have been disclosed to everyone whatever happened to his body. It coudnt just be kept secret like that with someone as famous as that.

[@isaacdebeila8085]

@@retetsemasitise3063 if you die in prison where no one has seen you for years and you comeout different most wont know who you are, you act like we had social media back than lol, Joe Biden has been using a double for while now and only resently are people catching on, now image a time without any of that media, with a man who went to hellish prison for 27 years, not would expect you to look the same or be the same. its an easy situation to pull a fast one if you ask me

[@emilschneider9974]

I am not a supporter of the African National Congress but I do think it is disrespectful to refer to Nelson Mandela as "Nelly"

[@sandyscheeks9210]

Yes. I didn't like it either 😕

[@samuelprett]

That's because these morons got no respect

[@ayandashadows7851]

Dats y winnie divorced

[@emilysimelane6376]

Winnie divorced cause of her infidelity

[@sakhilemashego8299]

@@emilysimelane6376 Winnie saw the freedom charter which now stated that 'south africa belongs to everyone who lives in it' rather than what the movement of the struggle agreed on which is 'land expropriation without compensation'. Winnie knew he was cloned wen he came out cos the real madiba wouldn't have agreed n the infidelity was just a smear campaign to discredit mama should she speak up

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

We like Mamma Winnie

[@m0ssssss]

So that’s what made Nelly and Winnie divorce?🤔

[@bee-sting]

​@@emilysimelane6376thats what your media told you, and indeed, you believe them, because they are soooo truthful 🥱🤡

[@UbukaOnline]

Ramaphosa knew evething

[@roselinendlovu1673]

True he knows everything 😢😢

[@ngoakosemenya5890]

All of them mbeki, Zuma and others 🤞

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

And Shivambu !!

[@sandilemntungwa1538]

And Ramaphosa himself is not a South African he is a Zimbabwean

[@mzansisoapiereviewroastand613]

​@@ngoakosemenya5890that's why they killed Chris Hani...cos he refused to follow the propaganda

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

Hey! Stop saying South Africans, it is few individuals. We can grasp how apartheid was because we were born in it and we fought in the struggle.

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

You fought? Probably eating KFC

[@WorldEntertainment163]

Old fool , most SA elders are indocrinated and ignorant , I dont blame you

[@im_a_recluse4421]

He should have said south african twitter users

[@NasonDube]

@@FaizelMoosa-og3yl lol some people though

[@agrid2608]

White people can't grasp it. They think it's something in history books. They don't get that it's the people & families around them, being talked about. All they knew was insulation in their comfortable neoghbourhoods and they think everyone lives/lived like that. Millions of people who grew up in the violence before 94 are only in their 30s today, never mind 40s, 50s, 60s etc. These are youngster's older brothers, fathers, mothers, sisters. This isn't ancient history.

[@AmoMoëti]

KZbin has brought so many propaganda channels and the world need to be careful. I am South African and I love Mandela for what he stood up for unity in our land.

[@pgmbodybuilding323]

What unity are you talking about?

[@EC3DRE__2]

Which South African thinks Madiba died in prison????

[@samuelprett]

The looneys lmao

[@Junetsh67Mash]

You can ask again

[@SandraNdoro-dk7wg]

W​@@Junetsh67Mash

[@bbj171]

This conspiracy is crazy it deserves to be looked at by the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast 😊

[@edmundsishange3608]

It's bollocks, can easily be debunked using voice technology

[@joannetolond5782]

I think Joe Biden should look into it, he has the time now😊

[@edmundsishange3608]

@@joannetolond5782 Apparently he's also not real🤣

[@Martin-u2g]

Man his accent has had my attention since I was a kid, noone here talks like that, even in his home language its just not right. I just watched a clip of him speaking in Xhosa and first impression was that he sounds like a white dude reading the words aloud,

[@thembinkosidube3918]

New fake Mandela was speaking strictly English 😅...

[@patrickporter6536]

Who's this guy Noone?

[@Im_Him786]

Noone, as in.. no one

[@XPR2019]

If you get isolated for 27 years and all you do is read books trust me your accent can easily change

[@tradingelevation]

@@XPR2019 Your mother tounge will never change

[@hopebuhali3887]

I've heared about this conspiracy theory before

[@kingumwami1434]

This ecplains why they were mouvements from a jail to the other , sometimes Mandela being separated from the group for over ten years and them bringing them together or matching them with the new one for the last days of jail time

[@tithemidozard2854]

Why do you think it’s called “the Mandela effect”??

[@barbaraholzmann946]

exactly - tell a lie long enough and everyone starts to believe it.

[@MeriamDemana-ts1wz]

That is not from SAfricans..It's from this foreigners who like to speak of SA instead of their country.Mandela was not alone in prison.

[@maskahleo]

7 mins of lots of yapping and little substance on your videos

[@Bjwestcoast]

I also believe he died in prison because I heard the story I was 12years old and I researched about him like for 4years and everything made sense there's a song also we made of him

[@winstynglyn6893]

I agree with you because I am from the U.K. and was in South Africa at the time on vacation with a friend of mine when it was announced on the TV that Mandela had died. We clearly remembered people saying that this is not Mandela and that the real Mandela had died years ago. We both went into suspense because we couldn’t believe it and it took us a while to come to terms with it. This was quite a strange and eerie feeling at the time because everywhere we went we kept hearing this revelation. May Mandelas soul RIP 🪦

[@duwaynejdaniels]

what you people fail to understand is. Whenever you get older you lose some weight. So there's no way you can take a picture of a young Mandela or of any other person and compare with a much older version of that person....if it's a few years apart than yes. But c'mon where's the common sense Mandela definitely lost some weight as he grow old it's natural that explains why his face are not that rond as before....and that's where this App fails, it doesn't take weight lost in consideration. besides Mandela was in Prison what do expect... a Fresh looking face?

[@erickumalo2372]

If you believe this nonsense then you're worse than you look, the only thing you concerned about is that loss of weight???

[@alexnyirenda123]

In Malawi we had kamuzu Banda,but the kamuzu whole ruled Malawi for 32yrs never spoke chewa or any local language 😂😂

[@siyabongangubeni9042]

Really I will Google Kamuzu Banda

[@djmagolide6677]

yes true because stayed in England and got educated there too after he came and become president of malawi

[@happymandala-if5fo]

​@@siyabongangubeni9042kamuzu was from ghana

[@Ziz_Wani]

Kamuzu was not a Malawian. It must have been a set up. He came out of nowhere and never knew a single Chichewa.

[@NasonDube]

@@djmagolide6677 but no matter how you are educated you wl nvr forget your home language

[@BohlalePesa]

Gibson Matanda from Mozambique. Ask yourself why Winnie Mandela left him.

[@fireandiceaircon1250]

It's my question too.

[@SosoTheDocumentary]

Because she moved on with another BF while Madiba was in prison. I can't blame her, but.... That's your answer.... The man was in prison for many years. He can't come back as normal as he left. If you know a person who went to prison for many years, you'd understand

[@edmundsishange3608]

@BohlalePesa maybe start by getting your facts straight, it was him who left Winnie and not the other way round

[@TheEffectiveTalk]

Winnie may have cheated but she was always visiting Mandela in jail. The new Mandela divorced her and mary his lover from Malawi. This might be true that they killed him in jail

[@edmundsishange3608]

@@TheEffectiveTalk Nonsense, it was the same Mandela, he divorced her for cheating

[@chidieberehenry42]

Melame and Winnie, Oliver Tambo, Walter Sisulu, wouldn't have kept their mouths shut if these theory is true.

[@bkj3845]

Nothing is further than the truth, NO ONE in SA though Madiba died in prison, we were all here when he was made president in 1994, this post is a load of nonsense!

[@Cappinril745]

No South African has ever thought this.

[@busisiweradebe499]

They have

[@nompilomvusi2010]

Talk for yourself

[@Cappinril745]

@@nompilomvusi2010 not something to brag about if you actually did

[@ceepho13]

We knew about it

[@MatikiMcunu]

Who chose Mandela to lead SA, who mandated Mandela to negotiate on our behalf, Answer Stellenbosch ask Mbeki. Zuma and Ramaphosa, those who were jailed with Mandela died like paupers they had no money like Mandela and his brother inlaw Sisulu

[@feziwemotshabi3096]

This is so scary 😳 what would I tell my grandkids about Mandela 🤦

[@PricklyPorcupine]

No one in South Africa thought Nelson Mandela died in prison.

[@SkiiYacht]

Nah u just didn’t know 😂 and neither did I but after a few videos I discovered a lot of people believe this

[@Aborticus]

They did not and still don't rather they knew and know

[@ronaldbaatjes2470]

@@SkiiYacht ,all hidden in plain sight,old chap.Add a huge dollop of propaganda,and hey presto! If you saw the (reel-to-reel)" Cine 8" films some of us did during the 1960's,you will sing a different tune.I have searched for those,to no avail.However,you will still find a snippet of video,showing the real Mandela escorted by police.And right there you will find the answers.Your mind will be opened.Happy hunting.

[@patiencemagitshima3925]

Yes , but that 1985 need to be checked there was too much anger within black people

[@winstynglyn6893]

That’s not true I am from the U.K. and went to South Africa with a friend at the time and whilst we were out there Mandela died. I clearly remember a lot of people saying that this is not the real Mandela who has died and that he died years ago. Me and my friend were both in shock and went into suspense by this revelation in 2013 because everywhere we went we kept hearing this it is so sad.

[@Mannetjie-u4t]

I think there will be always stories behind every successful man

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

Like you .huh?

[@sabeloshabane6433]

😂😂successful or unsuccessful Mandela died long ago in jail and whites created his own Mandela 😂😂😂

[@siphiwessshoba5402]

It's you don't know, you still living in dark we are fooled.

[@pablomogosi8712]

Especially black for whatever reason wonder why

[@gideondejongh838]

Mandela was never successful. Well, not the imposter one anyway. Being a president in the modern world means literally nothing.

[@ThabaniNgwenya-yf2vd]

This is too deep

[@edmundsishange3608]

What's deep here? 🤣 voice technology can debunk this in a minute

[@e-commbests8181]

You mean too cheap?

[@stephentlhaole5701]

Nothing is too deep here, I never believed when they told me how prevalent are substances in this country!

[@DjogoRedou]

Useless story

[@TinyikoFaukomo-jt7pv]

I knew from 2007 up to date I still believe in that Mandela died long ago

[@emmanuelmwape4560]

The quote *“If you remove colonialism physically without removing it epistemically, it will not disappear”* emphasizes that merely ending the physical presence or direct political control of colonial powers is not enough to truly eradicate the effects of colonialism. *Breaking down the quote:* Physically removing colonialism refers to the end of direct control or occupation by colonial powers. This can mean gaining political independence and establishing a self-governing state. Removing colonialism epistemically involves addressing and dismantling the deeper, more ingrained influences of colonialism on knowledge, culture, beliefs, and societal structures. Epistemic colonialism refers to the dominance of colonial perspectives and ways of thinking that continue to shape the minds and worldviews of people even after physical colonization has ended. The quote suggests that if only the physical presence of colonialism is addressed, without also tackling the enduring intellectual and cultural influences, the legacy of colonialism will persist. This includes colonial attitudes, values, and structures that continue to affect the colonized society in terms of education, culture, and social norms. True decolonization, therefore, requires a profound and comprehensive transformation that also liberates the minds and cultural frameworks of formerly colonized peoples from colonial influences. *concepts of coloniality-coloniality of power, coloniality of knowledge, and coloniality of being* From the books: Decolonizing the University, Knowledge Systems and Disciplines in Africa, coedited with Siphamandla Zondi (Carolina Academic Press, 2016); and Epistemic Freedom in Africa: Deprovincialization and Decolonization breake down the quote even further in more detals in a long write up The quote *"If you remove colonialism physically without removing it epistemically, it will not disappear"* underscores the distinction between the visible, tangible aspects of colonialism and its deeper, more pervasive influence on knowledge, power, and being. This concept is central to the work of Sabelo Ndlovu-Gatsheni, a prominent scholar on *decolonization.* To understand this quote in depth, we can break it down using Ndlovu-Gatsheni's theories on coloniality of power, coloniality of knowledge, and coloniality of being, as well as his works on decolonizing the university and epistemic freedom in Africa. *Coloniality of Power* Coloniality of power refers to the lingering effects of colonialism on social, political, and economic structures. Although formal colonial rule might end, the power dynamics established during that period often persist. These dynamics manifest in various ways, such as in the continued dominance of Western countries over former colonies through economic and political means, and in the internal hierarchies within post-colonial states that were shaped by colonial rule. *Physical Removal of Colonialism:* When a country gains independence, it typically removes the physical presence of the colonizers-such as the colonial government and military. However, if the underlying power structures remain unchanged, the essence of colonialism persists. For example, post-colonial states might still rely on former colonial powers for economic aid or governance models, thereby maintaining a form of dependency. *Epistemic Removal of Colonialism:* To truly eradicate colonialism, it is necessary to dismantle the power structures that were imposed and sustained by colonial rule. This involves creating new systems of governance, economy, and social organization that are rooted in indigenous knowledge and practices, rather than imported colonial models. *Coloniality of Knowledge* Coloniality of knowledge refers to the dominance of Western ways of knowing and understanding the world, which were imposed during the colonial era and continue to overshadow indigenous knowledge systems. This dominance is perpetuated through educational institutions, media, and other channels of knowledge production and dissemination. *Physical Removal of Colonialism:* This might involve decolonizing the curriculum in educational institutions by removing overtly colonial content. However, if the epistemological foundations-the ways in which knowledge is created, validated, and valued-remain unchanged, the colonial influence persists. *Epistemic Removal of Colonialism:* Genuine decolonization of knowledge requires embracing and legitimizing indigenous knowledge systems. This means not only incorporating them into curricula but also rethinking the methodologies and epistemologies that have been dominated by Western paradigms. For instance, African philosophical and scientific traditions should be recognized and valued alongside Western ones. *Coloniality of Being* Coloniality of being pertains to the ways in which colonialism has shaped identities and subjectivities. It involves the internalization of colonial attitudes and beliefs by both the colonizers and the colonized, affecting their sense of self and their relationships with others. *Physical Removal of Colonialism:* Achieving political independence or changing national symbols and language can be seen as removing the physical manifestations of colonialism. However, if people's self-perceptions and interrelations remain influenced by colonial hierarchies and racism, coloniality endures. *Epistemic Removal of Colonialism*: True decolonization of being requires a profound transformation in how individuals and communities perceive themselves and their place in the world. This involves challenging and overcoming internalized colonial attitudes and fostering a sense of identity and community that is rooted in indigenous cultures and histories. *Decolonizing the University, Knowledge Systems, and Disciplines in Africa* In the book Decolonizing the University, Knowledge Systems and Disciplines in Africa, co-edited with Siphamandla Zondi, Ndlovu-Gatsheni discusses how African universities can be spaces for genuine decolonization. This involves not only diversifying the content of what is taught but also changing how knowledge is produced and validated. Universities must recognize and integrate African epistemologies, which have often been marginalized or dismissed as inferior. *Epistemic Freedom in Africa: Deprovincialization and Decolonization* In Epistemic Freedom in Africa: Deprovincialization and Decolonization, Ndlovu-Gatsheni explores the idea of epistemic freedom as the ability of African peoples to define their own ways of knowing and being, free from the dominance of Western epistemologies. Deprovincialization involves rejecting the notion that Western knowledge is universal and recognizing the value of diverse epistemic traditions. *Synthesis* Returning to the quote, it becomes clear that Ndlovu-Gatsheni is emphasizing that decolonization must go beyond mere political independence or superficial changes. It requires a deep, systemic transformation that addresses the coloniality of power, knowledge, and being. This involves rethinking and restructuring institutions, curricula, and identities to ensure that they are free from colonial influence and reflective of indigenous ways of knowing and being. Only by addressing these epistemic dimensions can the true legacy of colonialism be dismantled.

[@oumarcoulibaly3547]

"Only by addressing these epistemic dimensions the legacy of colonialism can be dismantled " I've read the whole article. Very interesting 👌 Thanks for making me read something useful on this page. You just defused the bomb put in my head by this video.

[@noncedosimayile7502]

I've watched most of you consistently misquoting the song by Johnny Clegg.the song actually says. Asimbonanga u Mandela thina laph'e khona khona Laph'e hleli khona, not lapho afele khona, guys you need to stop this nonsense..

[@edmundsishange3608]

Been saying this myself. Unfortunately they won't stop the nonsense, bs stories are entertaining

[@Clyde-o]

This is Nonsense. Mandela served time with many Colleagues/friends who got released together . SO did they clone his Indian and native Africans friends to. 🗣️

[@vanessaG275]

They want and wanted you to believe that. Trust nobody and do your own thinking and research. There is nothing new on this earth. Think out the box going forward.

[@bee-sting]

​@@Respectfortruthoh yes, and you watched the news so you know every truth right? Yes, its a lie 🤡🤣🙌🏾

[@thandobala]

Mandela was separated from his comrades when they were released from Robben Island in 1985.

[@banepigeon]

A South African here… never heard this in my life 🤷‍♂️

[@glorymofokeng819]

That is why Winnie divorced him

[@gideondejongh838]

Why would you 99% of South Africans are clueless just like 99% of people in other countries.

[@ek6420]

A lot more you also don't know too 😂😂

[@tabom1727]

This is meant for the western audience cause South Africans will simply laugh their a#$ off

[@CalvinLenyora]

Come on lol. Ya’ll honestly think this nonsense is true??? 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣 we live in a world where people believe the earth is flat…I guess nothing should surprise me

[@PutanaMaredih]

My father's photos at 20 is a far cry from his photos at 67 no remembrance at all

[@musandasikhwivhilu]

It was not possible to can cheat Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki, Mlangeni and all who were in Robben Island. It was not going to be possible for all this years to fool Winnie and cultural process within the AmaNdlomo.

[@vanessaG275]

Money speaks and bullshit walks. Trust me most of the above were paid huge fortunes. They needed Stev Biko out of the way so the cops had him killed. Steve was not willing to be part of the scam.

[@pholosorachelmathe6395]

If he came back resembling him why do u think they wouldn't be fooled ,Walter sisulu and Oliver did say Mandela came back changing their whole mission that they did not trust him when he came back to prison , highly possible

[@edmundsishange3608]

@pholosorachelmathe6395 how would he resemble him 100% , how's that even possible? Let's go beyond resemblance and talk about cultural processes and all the elders that he still remembered in Mvezo, how would Gibson know them?

[@sibusisotusene9595]

That's why he went to marry a Mozambiquecan women. This is deep.

[@thobamngadi5254]

Rama is the new Gibson Makhanda

[@simonshigoaka4453]

The day they decided to hide his grave from the society, when everything about him was well known publicly I knew something is up

[@mthandazokwalaseni4049]

I will believe that Mandela is the real one if one of you can tell me where 67 minutes comes from!

[@mziiy4658]

Madiba spent 67 years fighting for freedom.

[@INFJ_9]

His cell number at Robin Island was 466667

[@coachjoachimroomaney793]

@@INFJ_9 how is there so much cells at a small island, did you even see the cell or the size of the prison

[@yongamamjiwu6171]

​@@INFJ_9 No, Mandela's prison number was 46664

[@INFJ_9]

@@yongamamjiwu6171 oh yes 😂 I was close though

[@letsbehomiz1549]

Winnie cheated on Mandela while he was in prison and refused to stop even when he was released that was known by almost everyone in the ANC back then.

[@simonmakhubela4258]

It was not true. White government made up that narrative to paint her as a bad woman, so the divorce plan would be successful. She knew the man she loved before he went to prison and not the one who became the president .

[@brianvanderspuy4514]

Well, I am South African, and this is the first time I have ever heard of this particular conspiracy theory...

[@tebogolemeku4335]

The Mandela Effect... It's now used to describe events people remember but actually didn't happen

[@brianvanderspuy4514]

@@tebogolemeku4335 I have heard of the Mandela effect, but not this particular conspiracy theory, in which he was replaced by an impostor. :-)

[@winonak1581]

​@@brianvanderspuy4514it's where the mandela effect got its name from - the conspiracy of nelson mandela. Many people remember hearing on the news in SA that he died. Then next thing...he's released from prison.

[@Knaaigher]

Because you are clear. It's only foolish South Africans that believe this dumb American theory. The only way Madiba became an imposter was through not expropriation the land and economy. It was the same man but beaten down to be meek and docile.

[@kutlwanosekhutsoanyane925]

me too

[@SBL70282]

So, Gibson Makhanda had no one, no family no relatives,nothing?

[@FaizelMoosa-og3yl]

Only EFF

[@heatherchimwe9824]

@@FaizelMoosa-og3yl😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@angapiliso1259]

@@FaizelMoosa-og3yl😂😂

[@patiencemagitshima3925]

😂😂 is Julius really from South Africa , it's time that we check these politicians

[@gideondejongh838]

@@patiencemagitshima3925 No he is not.

[@denisdestinate4155]

That's why he divorced the wife because winnie madela new the real husband

[@richardgongora1142]

This sounds true. Considering the fact that the new Mandela was playing according to the tune of the whites

[@mfunekomnyani7288]

This fool even calls him Nelly. What the F.....?

[@umadumawangempela6098]

They couldtnt reveal it to the public bcz the country would hv been in unrest people would hv demanded for the real one hence itwas shielded from the public we knew this all along

[@takuyg]

Fun fact. South Africans forgot about Apartheid. They voted for a white man

[@letsbehomiz1549]

The idea that Mandela is solely responsible for the agreements that were made during the CODESA talks is nonsensical. 19 different groups were represented during the talks. The only parties who boycotted the talks were PAC and AZAPO on the far left and on the far right the conservative party and Herstigte Nasionale Party, plus Buthelezi on his personal capacity not the entire IFP. So, whatever agreement was reached it was because of these different groups finding common ground.

[@cheslindevilliers8317]

this is very true thanx for making people aware

[@mariehill7205]

There's no such thing

[@cheslindevilliers8317]

@@mariehill7205 sorry you don't know what you talking about

[@Junetsh67Mash]

Unamanga

[@MotheoSelebedi]

Subscribed. Please continue

[@solwazidlamini4426]

Asimbonanga laphafelakho lapho ashona khona, kusho ingoma. Iqiniso ngempela yin bakwethu?

[@edmundsishange3608]

Kwazi bani ukuthi ingoma yabhalwa ngamahlebezi? Akubona ubufakazi lobo

[@sabeloshabane6433]

​@@edmundsishange3608😂😂😂😂shaya sengathi awazi kodwa ingoma isho khona siyazi sithule nje 😂😂

[@Sinazomjandala]

Wow, I never thought of it like this. Now that you mentioned it🤔

[@linkiminie4268]

I'm a South African and I know nobody that's thinks this😂

[@justjoey6939]

Whoch South africans think that?

[@Njabzillah]

which south africa are you talking about?

[@olwethusilo7155]

As a South African I can tell you you, you guys are wild! 😂 While we are here, we might as well say the earth is flat and it’s shaped like a square!

[@maxwellndlovu4461]

The world is flat for your information. The world being a globe is propaganda. Try another example.

[@ZweliMbhamali]

😅😅

[@grahamsolomons453]

The fact is the earth is NOT a ball with curved water spinning in nothingness. The truth is stranger then fiction.

[@ChristinaMatila-ot2ld]

The earth is flat and it doesn't rotate but the sun is the one that moves even the bible says that We have been fed and taught lies

[@ZweliMbhamali]

@@ChristinaMatila-ot2ld You took the words right out off my mouth

[@andileduku6707]

Someone tiold me this, but I noticed one thing about him, he said this just after smoking weed.

[@flomlaholman4357]

` not this guy calling Mandela "Nelly" 😂😂.

[@Prepareandtakeaim13130]

Finally thee Truth is coming out. People call me mad when I told them about their pappa, my family called him that too.. totally laughable and a Mandela day plus statue..so ya

[@thabokomane6105]

Which South Africans?

[@Mellowent3]

With you on that although we do need more source . NOT YET UHURU.

[@lukhanyosoyizwapi9880]

"South Africans today cannot fully grasp how devastating apartheid was..." and that's when I stopped watching, because how is an American going to school us about the devastation of apartheid... I knew something was off the moment he referred to him as "Nelly", no one has ever called him that, it's just weird...

[@slieafrica]

Conspiracy theories aside, it's difficult to assess something accurately when it's in your home. Sometimes outsiders can see things that we can't and assess things we are yet to grasp *outsiders, assess. Edit corrects previous typos

[@lukhanyosoyizwapi9880]

@@slieafrica I have uncles who have shared their experiences during apartheid with me many times for as long as I can remember, grandparents who survived that and made sure that we never took what they fought for for granted, most of us are still dealing with the results of apartheid, even if people these days do not want to acknowledge that, and all that I have said, I am speaking for myself, but I am willing to bet that most South Africans born after apartheid have always had some sort of constant reminder, not only in books and TV, but in the form of a family member... I don't claim to have been there, but seeing the scars on the bodies of my grandparents from apartheid, hearing their stories constantly, seeing how devastated they would get just by telling us the stories, hearing stories of how our parents would get treated because of their skin colour and adding everything I was taught at school about apartheid, I'd say I and the rest of the South Africans have a very clear image of the devastation apartheid caused...

[@aeiou2]

💯

[@sanelethabethe4149]

There's a track by The late Johnny Clegg.... It says "asimbonanga uMandela thina lap' ekhona LAP 'AFELA KHONA".... AND IT makes sense how can u negotiate with people that terrorized and shambles our forefathers.... That theory for me just doesn't makes sense in my logical mind🤞🏾🤞🏾

[@madodatinta3753]

Mandela played his part in the struggle against apartheid regime,the only people who think like this are people who want to point fingers and not pick up where he left and play their part in liberating the black people

[@GloriaKorend]

Nevet heard this one

[@spheleleNgubane-wf4de]

The man was a freedom fighter but he never did well by black people in the negotiations.

[@PrettyHlela]

Mandela was a sel out heis family gained on our suffering

[@madodatinta3753]

@user-oe5ri6pe2z what have you done because you also have 24hrs like him

[@madodatinta3753]

@@spheleleNgubane-wf4de you have a chance to do right by black people

[@motangmojalefa2937]

I believe, He betrayed us.

[@theUnemployedCrew]

Which South Africans are those

[@im_a_recluse4421]

I guess twitter is South Africa now

[@SandileGcwabaza]

this is not a conspiracy theory, this is known facts.

[@AfricaReviewAnalysis]

Great video :)

[@pumeza_ndzobongo]

I don't know if this is true or not,but I want to know what Gibson Makanda's family said when he was made a Mandela clone.

[@MapuleEllenRalepelle-jk8sf]

Mandela did not die in prison

[@Mafika-w7m]

Those who went and arrested in Robben Island must tell us the truth or else their are also sellout

[@musawenkosimdlalose829]

He called him "Nelly" 😂😂😂😂😂😂e