Why Super 17 Is Stronger Than You Thought! (GT)

Super 17 is way stronger than people think... let's talk about it!
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#Super17 #GT #Anime

[@Loguigi]

Better title: why no one can beat him when he’s super 17

[@SaiyanScholar]

I've watched this video twice. Absolute FIRE! Well done! 😎

[@Broku72]

Appreciate it fam :)

[@loitersquadX]

@@Broku72 hey does it mean ssj4 is stronger than goku ultra instinct? Do a vid

[@75JUNAKI]

@@loitersquadX I think he said that S.S-J.Blue (and maybe S.S-J.God) is stronger then S.S-J.Blue.

[@Gogetelo_live]

​@@75JUNAKI no stronger than ultra instinct

[@manniefresh2022]

nobody can beat him. When he is super 17!

[@YeSalu-g8h]

🧢

[@Nothim19994]

​@user-kt5gr8ghy4o how bot

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@YeSalu-g8h hahah nobody can beat me when i am super 17 hahaha, hahah

[@jsquadthekid6610]

IT'S FUTILE!! 🦅🦅🦅

[@super_17_Thebest_in_gt]

NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17

[@CainDB]

The only reason why he lost was because of his arrogance and one and only flaw in his mechanism which is that he could not absorb both types of energy at the same time, he can absorb both ki blasts and physical force from blows as we could see when Goku tried to punch him second time, he must focus on absorbing ki blasts OR on absorbing power from blows that he takes, this mechanism would make him literally the strongest being in existance if it really doesn't have any limit besides that flaw, once he started absorbing C18 ki blasts he was open to physical blows, he let his guard completly down and that's why Goku could punch through him with Dragon Fist

[@dbzviper]

@Preceyese Seyeght completely forgot about that 17 tried to take over the control

[@carrot708]

Not even arrogance or flaws. our 17 had to actively give them an opening and keep it open. If he hadn't have done that, there was no other way to beat Super 17. *Omega Shenron* can't beat Super 17 (unless he uses the weakening gas from Haze Shenron maybe)

[@barryn5190]

If super 17 fight smarter then he won easy. He was stronger then goku. He is my favoriet charachter

[@BrianAwesome]

Saiyan Scholar is probably enjoying this video.

[@okaradragonicsaiyan]

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA This is funny actually 😂 He loves it when people "lowball" GT lol I'm just kidding He does love GT so much Usually it's fine but sometimes it's a toxic relationship

[@ChrisDeVarro]

The scholar is awesome.

[@Aryan_Aran]

@@okaradragonicsaiyan toxic? Na he criticizes GT too. And bringing out the pros and cons is what he does how can that be toxic

[@okaradragonicsaiyan]

@@Aryan_Aran he doesn't criticize GT at all. Edit: does. Auto correct

[@Aryan_Aran]

@@okaradragonicsaiyan he does

[@villelater2708]

Super 17 is actually alot like Broly but Cold instead of Hot and weirdly Eis Shenron is most like Golden Frieza but Cold...

[@FakeStuff5]

Nobody can beat him when he is super 17!

[@eternalwarrior5318]

Gero stated when the two 17’s fused, they perfected the physical structure of the other, resulting in the ultimate life form - and he was right.

[@daikoru2511]

And we continue on with gt is stronger than you thought series can't wait for this man

[@ramiroalvarez-perez1056]

This reads like a seizure holy fuck 😅

[@Keiyon95]

I can't WAIT til you touch on how strong Omega Shenron is; the English dub really did have us fucked up when it comes to mistranslations and power scaling

[@dbzviper]

These supertards should stop underestimate the gt power levels.

[@sheflashedus246]

just by omega being alive he was literal entropy. his very existence was killing the DBGT universe.

[@_KAZI]

Good job bro. I really enjoyed this one🔥

[@Broku72]

thanks bro!

[@pralayajin-woo2700]

He can absorb any android with a touch so even if he was not as powerful as them, super 17 is basically gt version of Moro73, but possibly more dangerous since he can just touch a android, and absorb them, and absorb any ki blast. If he absorbed angel Moro73 (either Moro73 accepts it, so he will not die or super 17 waits until he mutates), he could be unstoppable, all he needs to do is grab Buu’s neck, than absorb him, and Goku too lose super 17 weakness, and so he can permanently be in mastered ultra instinct without the drawbacks. Than he could absorb the z warriors, and anybody that will be useful like Zuno.

[@joshualowe959]

I thought Moro 73 was similar to Perfect Cell. Cell absorbed Androids 17 & 18

[@jamainegardner4193]

You should powerscale the Dragon Fist. Based on S17 and Hirudegarn, its possibly the most broken attack in DB.

[@modakkagitplugga]

Already knew that, he got punched across the planet and kept fighting from that distance, it was sick

[@Angelicx999]

lol?

[@suppasaiyan8765]

Not impressive

[@miraculousedward6990]

People to this day don’t realize how busted the Z Fighterz were in GT

[@shodeangelica4375]

Glad GT is getting justice. The characters are strong too but everyone disregards cuz of no God ki

[@theunderratedhero2206]

God kiis bs dbs broly has no god ki and fucked goku and vegeta with ez and no training also jiren has no god ki and neither does hit nor frieza

[@EvoisEvo]

Nobody can beat me when I’m super 17

[@nevvawinter7331]

I love overpowered characters, and upon watching this… I’m gonna make an original song for Super 17… and also Omega Shenron.

[@shawnclauson8478]

I can't wait to get him when he drops. Super 17 figuarts looks bad ass

[@ericbrandt5256]

Looking forward to this one

[@My8765309]

Amazing video I'm glad someone finally understands that Super 17 is amazingly powerful and truly did not get credit for how far his power actually goes

[@genesisnemesis8850]

Super 17 is the best version OF BOTH 17s He is a BADASS VILLAIN IN GT SUPER 17 IS THE GT VERSION OF Android 16&19

[@ballisticbuu9628]

Going with dimensionality scaling Koyama statements and the additional higher dimensions GT have GT Characters are potentially slapping Super out here especially with Multiversal+ to Complex multiversal scaling or higher.

[@Pajit_slayer]

Yes .

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

@Rem Fanfics DxD dude kid gt goku in base form broke an infinite dimension that exist outside of space time and reality by just powering up and goku say he did it by accident.

[@miraculousedward6990]

@Rem Fanfics DxD nope GT Characters Dwarf Super Characters GT takes place not 10 years after the Buu Saga but 10 years after Goku Leaves with Uub. Pan was 4 around that time and thanks to Super Hero we know she’s 3 GT is 11 years ahead of where we currently are in Super

[@primelawliet]

@@miraculousedward6990 so much misinformation in one comment, wow

[@miraculousedward6990]

@@primelawliet Nope I did my research

[@VladyDaddy7Z]

11:20 There's one slight explanation for both this statement that "confirms that there is a separated movies dimension" (there's not) and for the Garlic Jr. and Coola being on screen in GT. First - Toriyama never said "there's a dimension where all movies happened". All he was trying to say in the original interview is basically "I dunno I just watch them". Thank you for showing the whole context of the translation by the way. Him saying "I TAKE THEM ("for myself" it means!) as if they are happened in the other world" is his way to say "if there's some contradictions then I take it as what-ifs". Japanese people just talks like that. He never tried to make a statement about a separated world specifically for the events of the movies. Second - there's a specific reason why there was Garlic Jr. in Z and Coola in GT. If you watch GT closely - you will not find any other movie character in it ASIDE from Coola. That's because it was factually confirmed that there's only two DB movies that are considered as a part of the whole main story - and it's specifically the "Give back my Gohan!" and "The Incredibly Strongest Against The Strongest". The confirmation goes from the guidebook "Daizenshuu 7". On the "Chronological Table Of The DB World" those movies are the only placed ones. That paragraph shows a canonical chronology for the manga and the anime both (anime is as canon as the manga, they are not apart from each other).

[@VladyDaddy7Z]

P.s. yes there's Ryuken as a reference to the 16 movie, that is not placed in the Chronological Table - yet we can assume it happened after the Buu arc as is, because the table also ends before GT, because there was no GT to place it (the book was released literaly 18 days after DBGT first episode airing). Also the movie was released just a few months before the book's release too so it can be the reason why it's not placed. This movie fits perfectly in a time just a year or two or less after Buu's defeat.

[@ArkaeaFCL3]

I always loved this character! Thought he was underrated and was more powerful than most villains we've seen. Definitely a cool concept!

[@GeneFOX70]

If 17 absorbed every ki blast in the Dragonball franchise he'd be the strongest.

[@remissiveslave]

I remember back in somewhere between 5th-7th grade, i literally starting writing a plot for a head cannon version of dbz-gt. Taking basically everything they gave us but scripting it in a more cohesive way with far more believable power scaling and damn, if i had the artistic skill and funds, could've really done something big i think.

[@onyx6774]

Now im curious about how strong Omega and SSJ4 Gogeta is.

[@FelipeouHernandez.]

Stronger than Giyuu but weaker than Daishinkan.

[@Wwillow1992]

Look. I’m just happy he is getting some love. 😩 he was always my favorite GT boss since I loved the androids.

[@mayojar5264]

Can't wait for the shadow dragon saga power scale

[@okaradragonicsaiyan]

You are collabing with Kazi? Awesome dude I actually have him some feats with DBS. He's a cool dude Cool video btw

[@Broku72]

Thanks

[@yungblade7]

It's easily believable that GT characters could destroy the universe if they wanted to. As crazy as it may sound it's pretty much common sense that GT characters were portrayed to be on a whole other level than Z there are specific feats that prove this 100% but back then we didn't have reddit forums or KZbin , so there was no need to over explain every freaking thing.

[@destructo3457]

If Frieza already destroyed a planet before Saiyan Saga, i can understand GT characters being universal

[@masterej7998]

Glad your back

[@wolfdarkforge2529]

Awesome, but I'm stress drinking, and, about to go back to bed

[@greatstate58]

Super 17 is one of my favorite villain character designs in DBZ.

[@1Mrsweetness]

Damn would love to see him in TOP.

[@PrimarisSpaceMarine]

Considering the fact that he shrugged off a punch from super saiyan goku before he started absorbing goku’s energy and smacked him around, yeah he’s incredibly powerful.

[@FelipeouHernandez.]

Super 17, from what i understand, gave a gigantic increase in power to both Android 17, a surprising increase that easily surpasses Rild's by joining forces and fusing with the mechanical components of the Sigma Force (just look at the scaling, Rild going from a level relative to Goku Base to a level developed to Super Saiyan Goku, and Android 17 going from Base Vegeta's level to a level beyond Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta), for a Fusion of Androids, the increase can be dozens of times the power of individuals (up to hundreds).

[@azulanew]

The low balling on super 17 is crazy

[@yfr7759]

I'm gonna wait and see how he can be Universal not trying to sound rude.

[@mintybidness6614]

they need to add him to dragon ball fighterz. I swear to god if they add a 23rd goku or and 8th vegeta

[@M4G4M4N]

Writers; it's not that complex but thanks for making our jobs easier in the future

[@bladimircarrion780]

Make me want to rewatch it was very good

[@Theamz]

Holy shit, I’ve watched all of GT in sub about a year ago but completely missed the part where Hell fighter 17 says he’s being powered by hell… this changes a lot

[@igormendoncacanga2569]

Six minutes in and let em tell you... this character is a monster and that is an understatement... indeed, universal. When you said Super 17 is powered by hell, I thought: "wait a minute, you are saying my boy is basically ontologically connected and subsequently empowered by a full dimension?" THIS IS UNIVERSAL! Gt characters are so underrated, they might eradicate marvel characters with at least mid-difficulty. Now I humbly admit that I haven't been around the anima and manga and comic subculture for years now but I know enough to see that GT characters are the most conceptually astonishing characters in entrainment history.

[@cookiemonsta3350]

I got the impression that Goku just powered up Super 17 blasting him with his energy constantly, making Hoku exhausted and Super 17 stronger. If Goku were smarter and realized from the beginning his blast were doing anything, he could just pull and rip apart Super 17 piece by piece.

[@pyro9309]

Wouldn’t it technically be 3 universes since it’s heaven and hell merged with the entire universe since everyone goes to the same hell?

[@SonGoku544]

I understad that Hellfighter 17 was much stronger than Android 17 from Z. But what could be the reason that the normal Android 17 in GT was so much stronger than the Android 17 of Z?

[@blackfrieza1912]

Can the same reason why android 17 in super was way stronger in z

[@terrillwilliams1515]

He took in the Ki of Hell from the Android version who was powered by that Ki.

[@ghostelijah7277]

The doctor will be so proud 🙂

[@zacbrown3797]

Don't get discouraged man you'll be back on top in no time

[@cuiveirwin]

Idk about using Movie feats to justify GT, and I also dk if I’d even apply Coola’s feat to his raw speed. The Revenge Death Ball feat is legit though.

[@bigzealot]

Ngl when I rewatchd this arc it really wasn't that bad except for the parts in hell while super 17's concept is strange at best the fact that he was unstoppable and only fell to being forced to make a fatal mistake it makes you wonder if he could have beaten the shadow dragons

[@betsmaria486]

broku 72 write story about what if TMNT 2007 in marvel universe

[@faisaali2554]

Have You Seen. Sayain Scholar New Video Called Dbgt Goku From The Beginning Of The Series Is A Multiversal Monster

[@Broku72]

look at the description of that video!

[@DarthStalkers]

Dragonball scaling is so pointless and wacky. The fact that ssj1 Goku in this saga is the same level as ssj4 is so stupid

[@SB-xl1ef]

NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17

[@phenixgoku11]

I’ve heard youtubers with thousands of subs say base goku beginning of gt is multiverse

[@RescueSquadCulp]

Enjoyed👍

[@JinblazeOG]

What if they make super 17 cannon but good. However in super. Kind like a power up for 17 from super. Just saying it would be nice. Seeing they pull a few things from GT already the recent movie with gohan.

[@mohamedwalidbekhechi6054]

super 17 was already strong from the get go,once he absorbed multiple beams from the z fighters he kept on getting stronger,so it only makes sense that goku had to go super saiyan 4 to fight him,but by doing so he kept powering him up until him and 18 came out with the strategy to take him out. Also another point hell fighter 17 was able to go toe to toe with vegeta.

[@scrruudi6460]

I gotta know where you got SSJ4's multiplier being 18M x base

[@doriangarcia6618]

Do a gt goku vs super goku.

[@Broku72]

Please check out these supplementary power videos! Base GT Goku Start of GT Power: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpSXY3migKmJeLM Super Vegetto Stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Debunked: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3-ylXR_dqxngZo And check out Surfbone video on speed scaling tiers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boTZmpaHrp2rbpo

[@yyyytttt7]

Tbh since super made android 17 win the tournament I can see that they have a hard on for him even tho tori didnt design him

[@crimsonking4151]

10:46 wrong they were both using instant transmission.

[@sqbany1337]

super17 connected other world with living world, other world stated by the Kai’s, is beyond an infinity hierarchy of dimensions, connecting that realm with realm where time concept exists, high hyper (you could scale it to even low outer) feat.

[@pyro9309]

It’s at best multiversal+-low complex multi

[@GeneFOX70]

Vs Wiki has both Gt and Super at Low Multiversal

[@charliebann5605]

I wonder if this video series is gonna make Ssj4 Gogeta retake his throne as the strongest in Dragon Ball

[@paperprince3900]

Super Dragon Ball Heroes would never let that happen

[@brendensmith8098]

I disagree with you about Super Saiyan goku being on par with super 17 because it was stated in the same episode that super 17 was holding back when super saiyan goku punch him all the way across the planet or base goku or Vegeta are stronger than majoob. But besides those i agree with everything else in this video. good work 👏 💪 👍 👌.

[@Broku72]

I’ll rewatch it again. But I don’t remember it like that, though it might be due to me taking a huge break because I got Covid.

[@brendensmith8098]

@@Broku72 sorry to hear that 😞 hope you are doing well. It is episode 46. It moments after goku punched 17 across the planet, 17 grabbed the same punch and say something like "I'm disappointed" or something.

[@Insignius-o8c]

@@brendensmith8098 He said seeing through Ur techniques gets kinda old*

[@thiagocavendish2928]

DBS Goku ssj Blue full Power + hakai = Goku ssj 4 full Power + dragon fist ~ Gt Super 17 > Golden osaru baby Vegeta ~ Goku ssj 4 full Power = DBS Goku ssj Blue full Power Gt Android 17 > Baby Vegeta final form DBS Goku ssj god >>> Gt Goku ssj 3 Dbz Goku ssj 3 Android 17 (buu saga)

[@ehudezra4610]

Baby Vegeta final form is SSJ3 it was stated in the GT perfect files

[@Dreamweeversguild]

Thank you

[@FelipeouHernandez.]

What is the power of Super 17? It is a fusion of two Androids (Android 17) from different worlds, one of which is from Earth and the other from Hell, and one complements the other to perfect the mechanism of two beings into a definitive Android that is actually practically a half-breed mutant, with the Android from hell being superior to Vegeta Base in view of what later became more powerful, surpassing the conventional Super Saiya-jin transformations of Z Warriors. Goku, only in Super Saiya-jin in this Saga, with a little wrath, was able to beat so strong as his Super Saiya-jin 4 in the previous saga and Super 17 showed ease in overcoming that level, just like Paikuhan had done in the past (similar to the Super Kaioken gap, or above like a Legendary Super Saiya-jin that was Broly, since Super 17 resisted a Kamehameha at close range) with its most basic level being the one that surpasses Goku's Conventional Super Saiya-jin forms, it would at least surpass a Restricted Super Saiya-jin 3 on Earth whose power is different from the other world but it is greater than the sum of three Super Saiya-jin's 2 that, for example, form a Majin Buu power. By absorbing some of Goku's energy, he reached and surpassed his Super Saiyan 3 from the Other World, which would be the maximum extent of this transformation's power. Only Super Saiyan 4 could do something. I would say the fusion would be Android 17 + Android 17 x (++100).

[@LupercalRising]

Ssj1 Goku being stronger than ssj4 in a year is ridiculous

[@Play4k6]

Spanakopita

[@HumanB312]

Base Goku in super is stronger than red god Goku when he fought beerus

[@stahshelling1740]

Can You make a video of gt goku vs super goku and how they would be against each other

[@yungblade7]

Gt goku would find out what UI is and use it against him

[@coyotewithagun5201]

Super 17 vs infinity Ultron

[@redjirachi1]

Super 17 in terms of power: STRONG Super 17 as an antagonist: *weak*

[@mileslumpkin9500]

Why was Myuu surprised when Goku went SSJ4 then?

[@thedevilsleutice]

He died before it happened, but if he was watching he should have seen it. Maybe he wasn’t expecting it to be so powerful do to Goku kinda being ridiculous.

[@0fficial_Hater-777]

IM HIM RAHHHH

[@calebdonaldson8770]

Yeah, it's no question Super 17 was more powerful than SSJ4 Goku, this being the most recent/strongest version of Goku. Having infinite energy and the ability to absorb all types of energy is incredibly formidable. This Goku is likely more powerful than even the Ultra SSJ4 Goku from the Baby Arc, since he's been given more time to master the form. It's questionable whether Super 17 could beat Baby Vegeta if he became a SSJ4, but he could definitely beat Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta - who was previously the strongest fighter.

[@RizAniki]

Oh thas hype

[@Dwood777]

so do you think gt is stronger than super or no?

[@Broku72]

I’m not sure I’m going to scale them both.

[@BrianAwesome]

@Broku72, Why didn't Super 17 just absorb Goku's Kamehameha Wave Through His Hands, after the Dragon Fist ?

[@Broku72]

probably because he had a gaping hole in his torso

[@daikoru2511]

Plus he probably couldn't move that much so I doubt he had time to absorb the kamehameha

[@trulytheworld]

If Super 17 is just 2 android 17s together, wouldn’t it be Super 34? Or Android 34?

[@otisboydattributes4665]

Super 17 squared

[@phenixgoku11]

There is a youtuber called sayian scholar and he states that base goku at the of shadow dragon saga is 7 cotillion times stronger then kid buu

[@saudbintalib5701]

Yes.....

[@YMAEIB]

How is he multiversal?

[@killinghawkz]

Cuz baby is outerversal

[@pyro9309]

He merged 3 universes together just by powering up and gets millions of times stronger

[@ChrisDeVarro]

Metal metalitron went to hell lol, also did doctor gero update him to fly down there? Lol

[@HandleManFace]

Super 17 only flaw was his ki asorbsion needs his 2 arms stretched out, letting me be opened for any physical attack . If he didnt have this flaw, hed be nearly unbeatable, only thing that could beat him is someone thats stronger and has better hax and speed

[@thedevilsleutice]

Yeah. But in a one on one scenario that’s not happening. I think you forget that 18 was the only Reason Goku could hit him.

[@adolfocobos6942]

I total agree he is super duper op

[@Libtardo123]

How much stronger does the ultimate ritual make you in base?

[@Broku72]

Good question

[@salamyaya162]

Very powerful, he would one shot all Z characters combined

[@TakeshiInazuma]

I'm sorry, but I stand that no characters before DBS was universal. Period. The scaling can be exaggerated, but it still won't make GT universal.

[@scitheme3831]

Not really up to you to determine the power of each series as viewers only to analyze what is already there but you can keep your thoughts not my place to stop you.

[@TakeshiInazuma]

@@scitheme3831 It is what it is... GT like the original series lacks in both statements and feats. DBZ's last good statement was Cell's solar system quote. Not even guide put DBZ or GT are galaxy level. It's been like that for years. I had to deal with that going against comic book fans for years. Galaxy level guys in forums were destroying DBZ and GT for a long time, because they lacked Feats, and at times statements as well. DBS is the one to break all of it.

[@precursorapollo641]

@@TakeshiInazuma 17 legitimately merged 2 universes together.

[@precursorapollo641]

@@TakeshiInazuma And Buuhan was collapsing dimensions so fast the entire universe was going to be quickly destroyed. That's bare minimum galaxy level

[@TakeshiInazuma]

@@precursorapollo641 He didn't merge both universes together. They opened up a way into the living universe. Also it should be more attributed to Dr. Myuu and Dr. Gero for that. Also the Buuhan feat was just collapsing walls cause other dimensions to destroy the Universe. That's not a Galactic feat. Plus that feat was in both DBZ and DB Kai.

[@bladimircarrion780]

He was a beast most underated power he was very strong he beat the shit out of Goku super 4

[@easternwoyer3876]

U should do a what if where hell 17 came to super and fused with that 17 but good 17 took control and super 17 was in the t.o.p (while weaker than gt thx to how quikly 17 grows fighting poachers and only gero building him not gero and myuu still would dwarf t.o.p characters (also still has ki absorption))

[@Broku72]

they would have won easy

[@easternwoyer3876]

@@Broku72 so u do admit gt dwarfs super

[@Broku72]

@@easternwoyer3876 no. Android 17 from Super >> Android 17 from GT.

[@easternwoyer3876]

@@Broku72 despite having 12 years at most less poacher training

[@SullivanDLuffy]

The Dragon Ball Dub is amazing

[@SullivanDLuffy]

Listen to Goku voice in Sub

[@ahtee5106]

Acutally gt goku was also stated to destroy it or stated to blow it up into simtarines

[@michaelwarren875]

Gogeta in Fusion reborn was stated to have the power of the big bang and he is around mystic gohan buutenks level. It's just backing up more feats

[@uptown215]

Shocking death ball

[@ahtee5106]

He high universal like I said

[@ChrisDeVarro]

Yeah, super 17 is amazing

[@TheBd0g]

sorry this reeks of bs. trunks and vegeta are NOWHERE near vegito. ssj kid goku is NOWHERE near prior ssj4 goku. I cannot understand how anyone takes this seriously

[@redharlock9237]

Good video but gt Trunks in nowhere near vegito ssj let alone buhan, gt Trunks is annaverage wesk ssj

[@thedevilsleutice]

Say you don’t know that It’s not super Saiyan forms that get stronger its the base form and the super Saiyan form is the boost. So yes Trunks Being above a fusion from 16 years ago and fighting Beings stronger than Buu yeah. They probably are stronger than that. Mecha Riludo was higher than at least Kid Buu if you wanna be disingenuous. GT Takes Place 15 years after the spirit bomb that killed Kid Buu! The 10 year time skip (In which super canon happens) the end of Z and then GT 5 years later and super 17 is 1 year after that!

[@MatterCool90]

Dude, Pan is as strong or stronger than Vegetto Z.