Why the 2024 Election will start a Civil War

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[@WhatifAltHist]

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[@Hotdogenthusiast]

What’s your advice on what to do before the upcoming Civil war. How should we prepare?

[@jessetorres8738]

Roughly 620,000 Americans died during the U.S. Civil War! To put in perspective how deadly that was in today's terms, it would be the same if over 6.5 million Americans died over the next 4 & half years. I say this because it seriously worries me everytime a Conservative says they want or believe another U.S. Civil War might happen when they don't seem to understand the severity of it!

[@MiggerPlease]

​@@jessetorres8738I'm that nigga

[@MiggerPlease]

​@@HotdogenthusiastI'm that nigga I hope that's ok with you

[@SnowyButterfly1]

WHATIFALTHIST THE CHANGE OF A SECOND CIVIL WAR IS 0%!!!!!!😡😡😡😡

[@Oneiromancer._.]

I feel like Althist has been 22 for the last 3 years.

[@strongraider1014]

I’m glad I’m not the only one.

[@paull3278]

He actually ages in reverse.

[@samhughes6895]

And he’s had EU4-addicted high-schooler takes for his entire KZbin career lol

[@demun6065]

I’ve been watching since his “hand maids tale” vid. He has definitely progressed in terms of confidence, used to stutter a fair bit back then. Good to see.

[@tirididjdjwieidiw1138]

@@samhughes6895that totally wasn’t me during highschool 🙂

[@Gumdropnipples]

Our society isn't tired of empathy, its tired of forced tolerance.

[@saladin3273]

This. People are tired of tolerating the intolerable and defending the indefensible.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

You have to tolerate the endless “slut walks” and riots but they can’t be expected to tolerate even a SINGLE Trump presidency.

[@divergentthg7925]

Apparently not that tired or else it would have already been taken care of by now. Too many scaredy cats nowadays to really worry about any major change

[@jimmmybacon9043]

As someone that lives in this society. Uhhhh . . . who is forcing you to be tolerant? No one has forced me

[@user-pt5xc1pp4z]

@@jimmmybacon9043You know what he means, But yes, They can tell me homophobia is wrong but that ain't gonna stop me!

[@michaeldalton8374]

The first civil war fought in three hour shifts, with breaks so the combatants can take their meds and have a snack.

[@grandcrowdadforde6127]

AND! don t forget... a requisite 10 ! minutes// hr. to do social media!

[@EM-bp5zv]

And nothing starting before 10 AM

[@grandcrowdadforde6127]

@@EM-bp5zv >> Coffee first !

[@misterE-1989]

Unlike the first civil-war, a second civil-war has no geographical solution. It's not the north vs the south like the first one, the second would be urban vs rural. Crazy times.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

There is kind of a geographic divide. It’s the coastal globalists vs. interior nationalists

[@jacobwaddell6075]

Last place I would want to be is urban. Absolute chaos, food shortages, rural is a clear advantage.

[@TheoHawk316]

​@@Kaiserboo1871 I'm on East Coast and I'm a nationalist.

[@misterE-1989]

@@jacobwaddell6075 That is why the people dwelling in the rural are preparing for mass migrations of urbanites into the countryside.

[@raevj]

@@jacobwaddell6075 yeah, & rural has the land & food supply too.

[@Not.a.bird.Person]

One thing I think when I hear or read ''young men aren't willing to fight'' is : they aren't willing to fight for *you*, not for themselves.

[@tanimation7289]

That is what the left thinks.

[@Patson20]

The depression and suicide data shows they aren't fighting for themselves either.

[@cernunnos8344]

​@@Patson20 cause fighting "for yourself" is still fighting to "get" something. And our society doesn't have anything young men want. We're constantly shat on and demonised, anything we do will always be interpreted in the worst possible way, there's no getting a decent girlfriend, let alone a good paying job or a house. Nevemind a family.

[@tanimation7289]

@@Patson20 That is more the weak. Besides the Great depression has a high suicide rate as well.

[@Patson20]

@tanimation7289 ....and did we have a civil war during the great depression? No, even though we should have. But people tend to not fight when they have nothing to fight for. And currently we don't, no wives no families, no lands, and no ideals.

[@ethanlocke3604]

I also think you underestimate the power of the endless mind numbing content distractions to suck the motivation and energy out of anyone who would start any sort of civil war

[@user-pt5xc1pp4z]

Indeed, It is the final barrier, Mindless entertainment...But what happens when you become so poor and so taxed, You can no longer afford rent at all? When you cannot afford food or medicine or anything?...Forced out onto the street by a "nation" that hates your guts?...THEN...These men have nothing left to distract them, nothing left to loose.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

They don’t work anymore

[@ethanlocke3604]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 huh?

[@alexnolan6032]

yeah fr, how would the sides even organize, in twitter group chats?

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

Aaaah, another Kyle Kulinski fan!

[@McBigPicklez]

We must not fight each other but the people who seek to divide us. Remember, a divided middle class keeps the ruling class in power.

[@carolelder3319]

Too many people don't get this. Too busy hating Trump, hating Biden. We're divided. And in that process we've been hoodwinked.

[@theravenousrabbit3671]

lol you really think the middle class cares one shit about the lower class? The middle class is what has caused these problems. Have not heard of a boomer? Are you insane?

[@thatguy913]

Are you sure we aren't just actually divided? I always hear this platitude as if its self-evident, but what if we really are just actually divided. Even if the ruling class is exploiting our divisions, which I agree they are, that doesn't mean the divisions themselves were constructed by the elites. Like I see allot of things promoted on the other side of the political spectrum as me and think they are completely revolting to my world view. Them supporting those things is a legitimate divide between us.

[@McBigPicklez]

@@thatguy913 I definitely hear what you are saying. There are some political positions I hear that completely disgust me. But is it worth a civil war? Would I be willing to kill a fellow American over it? In my opinion, in times like these we should be willing to put our differences aside and ask our selves, "why are the people who are supposed to be working in our interests constantly trying to divide us?". I just think our country as a whole would benefit if we started seeing each other as fellow Americans with struggles instead of dirty liberals or racist republicans.

[@Trustgone2020]

@@thatguy913 some are willing to die for their beliefs while others can only cry for their beliefs. When faced with actual opposition they cannot survive. Most of these types will be in hiding as soon as the gov is not protecting them. Think of how the police protect these people, now imagine the police stand down. Division is just the loud not getting a dose of reality. Siblings fight more when mom is there to regulate. They solve their problems together when mom is not there to break it up. Just like dogs when they bark through a gate at each other, soon as the gate opens they walk away. The dividers are gone once the gate opens.

[@rolleplays9541]

I live in Texas in a rural area and I can already see this playing out most young guys are just waiting for a spark to set something off and someone to show them an enemy.

[@sadscientist9995]

The enemy: Feminists and the LGBTQ

[@sadscientist9995]

And the systems who support them

[@Tech_Traveler]

Can you explain what that looks or feels like on a daily basis? Is it just about conversations or actually taking steps?

[@grummy1681]

I'm a 23 year old Ukrainian, from Kiev, and I urge you not to underestimate the irrationality with which your mind avoids the reality of war. Even if you say to yourself "The russians might invade in a month" or "Second American Civil War will start over elections", you are still not accustomed to the idea of large-scale violence enough to react accordingly, because you lived a peaceful life. You just wake up one day with missiles flying overhead and your home city under siege. You can store food, arm yourself or build a bunker, and still, your life might end because of stray missle, crossfire or maraudery. In the very end, it all boils down to two choices: join one of the sides and do everything to bring its victory or flee to a place that will not be engulfed in the conflict. If you go with the first one, may God help you make right choices for yourself, your loved ones and your society. If you want to avoid the cruel meatgrinder that is war, take yourself and whoever you hold dear (somewhat forcefully, if it comes to it), and get away to a foreign country, or at least as deep into cuntryside as you can. It may seem like a overreaction, doomerism and apocalyptic thinking right now, it may hurt your career, relationships or finance, but these things wont matter when the war starts. I wish you all the best luck, may you and your loved ones come out alive and well from the struggle, and may our children inherit a better world than we did.

[@bchaveezy]

Thank you, stay safe.

[@JayWalker-qj1kv]

Thank you very much for the insight brother. Be safe, God bless

[@matthewdimarcantonio4627]

Wow that hit home. What was the month leading up to the war like?

[@grummy1681]

@@matthewdimarcantonio4627 Kind of like any other month. I moved in with my friends, had an argument with my gf about logistics of cat transportation across EU "in-case-of-anything", laughed at Putin's history lessons on Feb 21

[@Crimea_River]

Your English is exceptional for a Ukrainian.

[@MrSomethingdark]

In Bosnia we had a joke after the war when some people were refugees in the US and came back. When asked what the US was like they would say that the US is 30 years behind Bosnia. When asked why the funny reply would be "Bc there still is no war there".

[@AlphaSections]

Hahaha! That's a good one!

[@PalashaGabarra]

Kosovo is Serbia

[@varkonyitibor4409]

Serbia is Kosovo

[@MrSomethingdark]

@@PalashaGabarra What is Kosovo and what is Serbia

[@Mistrinho]

Odaklen si brateu

[@davidboskovic6581]

for a 22 year old... man i wish i was like you when i was 22. sane, objective, and knowledge of history. very nice. don't let hate get your throat. if you keep up, you're going to be a great man, quoted through history. love from serbia!

[@mmiles317]

Sir John Bagot Glubb (AKA Glubb Pasha). Army General and historian, he studied eleven empires starting with the Assyrians in 859 B.C. and ending with the British in 1950 A.D. Sir John determined that each followed a remarkably similar pattern from birth to demise. Spanning a period of about ten generations, each went through 7 Stages of Empire: The Age of Pioneers (Outburst) The Age of Conquests The Age of Commerce The Age of Affluence The Age of Intellect The Age of Decadence The Age of Decline & Collapse

[@lolololololo97]

Flynn’s stages may be true but he really reaches to make them all fit into 250 year timespans

[@user-yc5um2pl5v]

That was one steamhammer of a text, couldn't tear myself away. That, to me, explains the cycles every civilization goes through. A must read, as they say.

[@martinpospisil3747]

“History is made by active, determined minorities, not by the majority, which seldom has a clear and consistent idea of what it really wants.” -Ted Kaczynski

[@noahwarp9]

A classmate and I discussed today that we think empathy is dying in US society because people do not take care of themselves physically or emotionally anymore. To have empathy, you must first be healthy in your own body and mind. If you are unable to love yourself or have any form of stability, there's no chance that you can even consider putting yourself in somebody else's shoes.

[@beskamir5977]

Yeah, exhausted/stressed people are bad at caring about other people. There have been studies on this topic in the context of stressful work environments such as paramedics, doctors, lawyers, etc. Which is equally concerning but when it's literally everyone in the country... well things will become really dire.

[@amandap9332]

​@@beskamir5977this is only one reason why we should end the monetary system entirely and permanently. Not to usher in some kind of utopia. To change the incentive to change the behavior that results. And if we do that before the situation fully devolves into more war, that would be beneficial. For the planet and its people. That would also give us a unifying cause. It would take about a decade to shift to a natural resource based economy. (Reduce the need for production by only creating the highest quality products with the longest possible lifespans using easily repairable, replaceable, upgradable parts. Ending planned obsolescence forever. That also reduces resource extraction and energy requirements for all production. And reducing that also reduces the waste generated and pollution for all production) Giving all the people on the planet a goal to work towards. There's a lot to this idea. More than i can put in a KZbin comment section. So, if you'd like to learn more about this, please check out Peter Joseph's KZbin channels, revolution now, or culture in decline. He's an excellent place to start.

[@Valosken]

If that were true, then empathy would be virtually non-existent throughout history

[@noahwarp9]

@@Valosken Considering that most of human history is war, famine, and conquest, it is easy to argue that empathy is not common. If empathy were common, the world would be a more peaceful place.

[@Valosken]

Because you can only say this relative to some baseline, I think it would be more illustrative to say "Empathy is nowhere near as common as we chronically suppose it is" (or some more, uh, *common* way of saying that). Because of course relative to literally any other animal, we are overflowing with empathy, and potentially relative to any other time in history as well.@@noahwarp9

[@honkeykong4049]

"His model predicted shit that already happened" I know what you mean, but I still had to laugh

[@Aphelion67]

It was poorly phrased and I laughed too, but I understood his point to mean that the model in a blind fashion said "x event will occur at y date" and was accurate as research would show that indeed that event did occur. Which is fascinating really!

[@apollontheintp3257]

Backtesting a retrofit model is a bit tautologic, righr?

[@benjaminchaulk6269]

​@@apollontheintp3257 That's literally what ai does lol

[@timcreations8059]

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[@Sienna6164]

Thanks man. This could really come in handy

[@kingwolf396]

We have a society where a bunch of young men have practically nothing to lose. That being said, Men should wake up, and make the change for themselves.

[@karnubawax]

A MAJORITY of young men have nothing to lose.

[@222toastedtoasters3]

id make my mom sad

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

again, individual angry people with nothing to lose can't do much if they are disorganized... what nucleus organization will they rally/organize around?... that will be interesting to see...

[@AmericanAdvancement]

@@therearenoshortcuts9868My money will be around the state rather than the nation. As the country descends into chaos, state authorities will be able to maintain some level of stability and rally people around their banners. Just look at the reaction to the pandemic and how the states, not the federal government, led the response.

[@jgw9990]

​@@therearenoshortcuts9868Crisis lead to upsurge in religion, which opens a route. The reality is that the organisations of war won't exist until the conditions for war exist. Especially in civil wars, the most savage groups tend to succeed even if they're in a minority during peace.

[@tylercochell2253]

The most plausible conflict to me is an Northern Ireland Troubles scenario where paramilitary factions fight one another with the government unable to stop them/occasionally making it worse.

[@AmericanAdvancement]

The problem with this is that the states are also itching for a fight as the current border crisis has illuminated. When you factor in that the democrats war games a Trump victory in 2020 and advocated for the west coast to secede, you will quickly realize that both sides of the political isle have secession on the table if they don’t get their way this year.

[@factsandlogic4709]

yeah i disagree with this take mostly because norn iron works upon ethnic and sociocultural lines as opposed to political ones. I am a unionist. my father was a unionist. his father was an unionist ect. the reason why NI was so bad was because on one side all the catholic intitutions IE the catholic church, GAA clubs and catholic adults told catholic kids that they had their land stolen and are opressed by ulster scots colonialists. the flipside of this is protestant intitutions like the orange order, protestant churches, and the unionist political figures telling us that we came here peacefully and they just want to kill us out of bitterness.therefore the crisis has been perpetuated for so long. its a rather different situation. american states are more likely to just secede rather that tactically support paramillitaries with their own veiws

[@TheBrunohusker]

Agreed. Also look into the Years of Lead in Italy and the fights between neo Nazis and the Bader Meinhif gang in Germany. It makes more sense. Plus look at Georgia. You didn’t have militias forcing a gop governor to change things and they didn’t just bow to Trump. They recounted and found out Biden won and the gop leaders who run elections in Georgia just ended up pissed at Trump. It might be different in swing states with Dem governors but let’s say Iowa has a close election. The governor is a big Trump supporter but she ain’t going to let the militias cause trouble. At best she’ll do a recount, vouch for Iowa’s electoral system and Trump will call her out. Maybe shots are fired but if that’s the case, expect a kind of three way war and also people using the feds to hurt their rivals.

[@chadwells7562]

It’s going to start with a troubles like paramilitary scenario and end up in large regional factions

[@APsGTG]

@@AmericanAdvancementyep, any of these events would trigger a fully fledged Rumbling.

[@liaml.e.5964]

"People are tribal. The more settled things are, the bigger the tribes can be. The churn comes, and the tribes get small again." -Amos Burton; The Expanse-

[@Ultra04channel]

The weird thing about a second US civil war, is I can sort of see it going a similar route to the Japanese Sengoku Era. Everyone vs everyone else, trying to get local control.

[@billybill1272]

And we have no one to blame but ourselves if this happens. Decades of absolutely no accountability regarding the governments repeated failures to serve the interests of the nation. Nobody cared. The time to salvage the situation was 30 years ago. And now the fissures have become an abyss that will sink us all. God helps us.

[@Darth_Bateman]

“We”…..?

[@billybill1272]

@@Darth_Bateman well I guess not me cause I’ve only been around since 2000

[@LaFonteCheVi]

@@Darth_Bateman Society is a collective organism. Everyone is equally to blame for it's state but also not to blame at all. Nobody has control over it.

[@touge242]

50 years ago. Society died the moment mothers told their daughters having a career is more important than a family, or the moment fathers told their sons having a career is more important than a family.

[@billybill1272]

@@touge242 agreed, this is one of the driving factors

[@alaricvis09]

I was in the Army from 2006-2015. People constantly said things like, "You don't need to learn that. That's for conventional wars. Nobody fights like that anymore." I strongly disagreed. Well, two years ago, I was vindicated.

[@Mandatory-Fun]

Yup. I joined when training and SOP was focused on counter insurgency. I remember people saying the same thing and thinking that was stupid while watching China and Russia expand and reform their militaries.

[@Donner906]

The Russian and Chinese milities are crap. They are not capable of fighting the US conventionaly.

[@buddermonger2000]

I'm just kind of baffled that they really thought force on force warfare no longer mattered. Even weirder since they'd just done it 3 and 15 years prior to your start in service.

[@brett.c1649]

Right there with ya buddy we where also in the same time

[@sigmaactual1075]

Story of my life as an air defender

[@troytegen4538]

As my dad used to say... Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[@RainmanRaysRepairs]

We’re in a position where everyone will be forced to “pick a side” We the People are the side, as a population we have been deliberately divided to pit us against each other causing us to ignore the real agitators

[@brixriverfilms]

This is the kind of people that need to be heard more.

[@MarlKitsune]

"You don't have to be crazy to kill. You only have to think you're right" Yoko Taro.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Facts.

[@nathanielwestermann]

Wow.

[@Alien_Nukes]

I've always said morals are a delicate luxury, put anyone in a bad scenario against the wrong people while you're starving and feel your rights are violated and we can all do some crazy things.

[@benfelps]

see oct 7

[@keonkla]

@@Alien_Nukes more like "decadent" luxury but I understand all the same.

[@guilhermeotelles]

Even if im not an American Citizen, the rest of the world will feel 10X instability than before. China, Russia and many American enemies will gain freedom to achieve their stuff, while American allies(Europe and Asia and small South America countries) will feel the uncertainty when comes to America Aid

[@Alex-vm6ef]

It'll be for the better in the end, even if it is difficult on the way

[@alexanderryan1176]

Ah yes, the ever present "American Aid" keeping our "friends" in europe allied to us.

[@guilhermeotelles]

@@Alex-vm6ef Innocent always will be on the line, i highly believe 2030 something big will happen. That quote, "you will have nothing but you gonna be happy" scares me every time!

[@keithmurray5791]

Europe needs to become more self-reliant defensively anyways. Can start by making sure they cut off the flow of immigrants from the south and make life more manageable for folks who want to have a family and kids.. Ditto for Canada..

[@HWQFish]

@@Alex-vm6ef Yes cant wait to be microchipped in a few years for social credit score by the supreme communist party.

[@drunkstepdadproductions7857]

"I see the bad moon rising I see trouble on the way" -CCR

[@ghostrickalucard488]

What I think you fail to take account for is that the reason the Civil War happened in the first place and why the situational circumstances that exist today aren't the same. For starters, the States back then acted more like little countries, and people had their loyalties to their home States rather than the federal government. So when you think about it, the Civil War was more of a revolutionary war, and what we call the Revolutionary War was more a British Civil War. Point is no one is loyal enough to their home States to give their lives up for it, and we currently have no "Strong Men" personalities that Young Men would be willing to fight for. NOT EVEN TRUMP, and not even 1/6 even comes close. If anything, we are more due for a peasants revolt that could have an aftermath that leads to a Strong Man personality, and then that's when you should be worried!

[@moder4228]

That’s true. But, I think that the theory that he has in mind is taht, if there were to be some form of a civil war, it would be a fight between two conjoined ideologies that roughly fit the “democratic” and “republican” ideologies, but who knows. Personally, I don’t think a war will occur, but that doesn’t mean that we should completely disregard the possibility; the world can go to shit in under a day after a decade of pure bliss.

[@liarwithagun]

This is basically what I was thinking. People are waiting for a Caesar. They really, really want Trump to be that, but he isn't. Ironically, if Trump was really the second coming of the Chaplin mustache man like the left believes he is, then he would be our Caesar, but he isn't and doesn't want to be. He just isn't brutally ruthless enough for that role. But whenever that man does come along, then things will really kick off in a big way, even if there are skirmishes before that.

[@user-ms2mr2mc3g]

Well said, and an astute observation

[@dkoodziej2063]

Watching from Poland, let me give you advice from my grandfather before he passed. He was in Polish resistance, a survivor of the Warsaw Uprising. He said when you feel catastrophe is coming, do 3 things. Go to church, pick out your tomb, and fight with honor. Better to die with honor than live in shame. Typical dark Polish humor but Americans seem like they could benefit

[@USMCx_Campbell]

Rah 🇺🇸

[@Karlsator]

Did he fight the communist?

[@stevencooper4422]

​@@KarlsatorPolish uprising fought both sides

[@antiglassesgang]

Typowe bohaterskie polskie pierdolenie a potem płacz że Polska dostaje wpierdol tysiąclecia. W dodatku sianie fermentu.

[@dont.ripfuller6587]

Texas here 👋🏽 Hi Poland! Amerykanie nie zmienią swojego postępowania, dopóki nie zmarzną, nie będą siedzieć w ciemności z pustym żołądek. 😢 Nie wszyscy jesteśmy głupcami, ale wielu z nas jest ślepych na kontrolę nad dostawami żywności.

[@incurableromantic4006]

During the CHAZ - people who claimed to be protesting police racism and brutality, murdered a black teenager in cold blood for stealing from them: then destroyed evidence to ensure no one would be held accountable. Do not underestimate just how *VICIOUS* and unprincipled many people are as soon as they think they are free from punishment.

[@Sam-hd7iy]

CHAZ was one of the craziest larping I've ever seen

[@user-fo6cu2xv7q]

​@@Sam-hd7iyyep ran out of food and fell under dictatorship in 12 hours haha

[@BexSlaughter]

Well, I hope those folks don't underestimate the defenses of people who spent most of their lives sitting patiently in a deer stand.

[@TheSutanian]

What are you talking about? They said that everything would be better if we did go along. I like going into discord servers and advocating for the full blown defiling and bereavement of white children only to be called a “fed”, insisting they’re beyond capable of it, only for the entire mod staff to harbor another mod grooming a child, when caught. Meanwhile, its all just hateful disgusting rancid snark by >90% of everyone peacocking to one another. And i think thats the thing that drives me insane the most. This quiet-before-the-storm “limbo” point. EDIT: Treating everything they read as a grand narrative and not something to be fucking afraid of.

[@bobborlog1677]

Typical leftist

[@techpriest6962]

Already began years ago, it has just not been a hot conflict.

[@PricelessBinkey1337]

It never starts as a hot conflict. That's what people never realize.

[@techpriest6962]

@@PricelessBinkey1337 Yep, few people pay enough attention to the very moments that lead up to events that make history.

[@AlbuquerqueBandit]

Yep. I just moved away from New Mexico last month. There was an executive order that anyone carrying a gun was automatically considered a criminal. So I just conceal carried without a permit. One reason I never got a concealed carry permit. Less paper trail. If I had one there, they'd know I was probably still conceal carrying, giving them reasonable suspicion. There are dozens of reasons why I moved, but that was certainly one of them. And wouldn't you know it, the state attempted to withhold the paperwork i needed to transfer my career's license to the state I now live in. On multiple avenues, NM tried to prevent me from leaving. I'm happy to live in a better place that isn't socialist. NM is pretty much a socialist republic. That's why half of the people in the state are on some kind of assistance. Some people my own age are just living off the state when they could work, but they choose not to. They are even experimenting with UBI by paying familial households quarterly per child. They admit it's just the first step in trying it out. And everyone I talked to about that told me they think it's a good thing, while at the same time complaining about the insane increases in cost of living there. As if the two are mutually exclusive. UBI and hyperinflation. People there are dumb af.

[@buy.to.let.britain]

the gov is now bigger than the people. major problem/

[@buy.to.let.britain]

being from uk. i have had several arguments with USA lefties, explaining our health is not free, and we pay through the nose via taxes for a shit service. even after explaining it, they predend not to get it, and go right back to wanting free healthcare. they know its wrong, but they are happy to steal for a lie.

[@TomGrubbe]

Wow, I didn't realize New Mexico was so far left. Even California hasn't gone that far (yet).

[@briansf3163]

Wow, I didn't realize there are such dumb people out there that would conceal and carry illegally. That makes you a criminal. Wait, are you against criminals?

[@AgentPerry8018]

No matter which side wins something bad is bound to happen

[@thatsTylerDurden]

Well yeah, cause humans.

[@Erik_Ochoa013]

Best thing to do then: Pray and prepare yourself this upcoming November. That or it’ll be the most boring election according to my fellow coworkers in retail.

[@matthewhewitt4145]

If you think any side wins but the side that supports owning guns, staying sober, having big families, and "being a tough man", I don't know what to tell you

[@nicholashodges201]

​@@matthewhewitt4145you've not been paying attention. The side that wins is the side the military joins. And the current military, unfortunately has a lot sympathy for the extreme left due to recent events. Likely best we can hope for is a similar split in the military as the states and then it's down to which side has the best militias and the largest state guards

[@richardcollins9060]

China wins.

[@MrEkzotic]

Military wars are fought by the young, but rebellions are fought by all.

[@henrydieterich397]

I love the ending! Very good work!

[@briansf3163]

Nah

[@kaiserchan4683]

“Tim Pool has liked this Video”

[@JoshuaKimbrough]

Tim: breathes Us: SAY THE LINE Tim 😩 "civil war"

[@maroindefinitlyhuman6857]

Lmao

[@Darth_Bateman]

@@JoshuaKimbrough my favorite part when Tim pool said “it’s Poolin time” and then Civil War’d all over those guys. 😂

[@onionfarmer3044]

About to see whatif on Tim pool after he finds this video.

[@BonusHole]

It's certainly true that if you say 'Civil War is coming' multiple times per day, one day when a civil war inevitably happens, everybody will think you where a prophet. When really even a broken fence sitting clock is right twice every 24 hours.

[@burnerjack01]

“The price good men pay for [their] indifference to civil affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”- Plato “All that Evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing.” -Edmund Burke

[@Cybertech134]

We live in a society where good men are punished by evil men and women for being good men.

[@michaelsin1968]

I'm 55 now. I can't see the logic in the extremes of both political parties anymore. It seems everything is done just to score short term points at the expense of the long term future, socially and economically. The left and right are unrecognizable from what I remember as a teenager. Nobody is willing to strike a balance anymore. If a civil war does come I'll be lost in it that's for sure. I pray our younger generations will grow and learn from our mistakes rather than having to pay for them. Maybe capitalism and democracy are bridges to better systems rather than ends in themselves.

[@jonmichaels-se9xk]

A correlation is not a prediction, however much you want it to be

[@idiotengineer3925]

I lived in Washington state during the summer of love and covid lockdowns and that time really radicalized me. I was already bitter having fought in Afghanistan and coming home just to listen to my leftist boomer family members tell me that I can't afford a house because I need to work harder despite making 6 figures as an engineer. I can't lie, I want the 'system' to get what'scoming to them and I hate having that mindset when i used to be so positive about the future growing up.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Just make sure you build something better as replacement. The Romanian revolution ended with bloodshed and the old commies thrown out. But our future was stolen by the former commie operators turned businessmen. It's not about returning to "business as usual" after some bloodshed. It's about CHANGING THINGS, FOR THE BETTER, IN THE LONG TERM.

[@Anonymous-bi2wy]

Our generation got lied to, bro. We kept our end of the social contract & the boomers laugh because they knew they were lying then.

[@CybinTalus]

Our entire generation was betrayed en masse, sold a bill of lies, and told they would become goods once we arrived

[@thomaslamb8635]

We are all homesick for a time and country that no longer exists. The image of the typical American man coming home from work, to a homemaker wife and three children supported by his income alone. Middle class. This was stolen from us all. Now, we either live in apartments or tiny homes. Our women were taught to hate us. Our children are taught to be the opposite sex. We are viewed as cannon fodder to those who run the country. Too stupid to understand anything, according to them. Our aging parents have no clue what they voted for or why. Yeah. We were lied to. That’s pretty damn obvious to anyone with open eyes.

[@CeoMacNCheese]

Honestly I’m aware of this lie it’s just that my family college tuition is getting paid for by the government as my dad served in the military. I just simply wish to take a break from academics after I get my high school diploma, and just directly ask skilled engineers go teach me the more advanced things. Granted my mother tells me to go to college and keep trying. I just don’t want to be held down anymore by being in college. Especially considering the fact that I may end up with a bad professor that doesn’t really know how to teach.

[@hlriiiviiiv]

Don’t ever think that once the shooting starts, the “world” will let us sort it out for ourselves like last time. Once the giant falls the ants will get to work.

[@bulbasaurbrutal5137]

These days, a power vacuum is like punching a hole through the hull in your ship in outer space. It is instantaneously depressurized! Schloop! Schwoop! Doop!

[@hochstapler9298]

This comment goes hard

[@Faus4us_Official]

This is the main reason I advocate for peace. I know this only lasts so long as people become fat and comfortable in their lack of ambition and vision beyond immediate sensory gratification and ego satiation. I don't want to be that guy, but I feel the world is giving me no choice.

[@kram9863]

The crazier part is that China is also on the verge of demographic collapse and i would suggest a psychological disaster impending. Russia is fighting a losing war in Ukraine. What happens if all the major powers suddenly fall apart in a short time?

[@seafoam6119]

China dies of population collapse. Russia dies because of a self destructive war. America died because of retarded communists who believe men can become women. Good grief.@@kram9863

[@elpidalastname9834]

All I want is to not be lonely anymore

[@breezybreeze12]

You gotta travel bro

[@elpidalastname9834]

@@breezybreeze12 I aint got no money.

[@links1356]

​@@elpidalastname9834got to pull up by your bootstraps and get some money and a house right now

[@shortegg6725]

First step is to stop posting this kind of stuff on KZbin comment sections lol

[@declineofthewest.]

Take a long break from the innernets

[@winstonslone2797]

Its been my experience in 42 years of life that otherwise meek and scared people are for more dangerous than a "badass" when pushed to the thin ice. Someone who believes they are fighting for their life can be extremely dangerous.

[@Rabbit_511]

this legit made me cry. I've deployed overseas to combat zones in syria. I've seen first hand what war looks like. What first struck me when I was there was how happy the locals were. sleeping on dirt floors and clearly malnourished, begging for water and cots to sleep on. But they all smile and just live their livves as if its normal. I remember I gave one of my flashlights to one of the locals that worked on base, because he was complaining that the scorpions kept stinging him and his wife at night, and he wouldent have been able to do anything because they had no power and couldent see them. That simple act, ive never seen a 60 year old man so happy. Thats what war does, the only thing the bullets affect are the fighters themselves, everyone else is starved, everyday things they took for granted are taken from them. Power, internet, clean water, etc. Infustructure suffers at the hands of war first. Thing is, when I saw the charges trump was on, knowing he was likely going to gain the majority vote in 2024, and knowing how bad 2020 was ive been telling people to be prepared for some serious shit to go down, but with the border crisis taking place, honestly the timing couldent be more perfect. And ive been telling people this, the thing that struck me most was, people dont say "oh your crazy" or "whatever dude", the just grin and give a sigh or an "idk man". Some slight denial. The same denial I saw in the eyes of so many folks in syria, with crisis and death all around them. Even I would fall victim when I was there, "this aint so bad" id say to myself. But when reality hits, thats when people suffer the most, that the hammer of war falling down on everyone around you. You can deny and deny, but once you look him in the face you just cant, and you are left to just feel helpless. We romanticize fighting, I get it, I do too, im infantry. But fighting is but the smallest fraction of what war is. Look at Ukraine, tens of millions of people displaced, homes destroyed, livelihoods ruined, entire generations turned to ash, but how many see the frontline? 2 maybe 3 or 4 million? And to what extent do they see that frontline? Thats just the thing. War in this country that I love so dearly scares me so much, to the point of tears when im faced with its coming reality. And I speak for almost any veteran, we dont want war, gosh no, we want all our hard work to actually mean peace here at home, we want this country to be nothing less than what our founding fathers envisioned, and nothing more than what we sacrificed for. Yknow, I was watching the livestreams in ukraine when tanks first rolled over the border. I captured what the media deemed "the first photo of the ukraine war". I saw that war coming from a million miles away, and we all knew it was coming pretty much exactly when it did. I remember second guessing myself, in the livestream street cams folks were commuting like normal, there was no panic, they must have known it was coming, I was in america and I knew. But they just continued as normal, that is, until rockets crashed down in the streets in front of them. I remember turning to my gf at the time, I didnt say what had happened, I just said "I think people will look death in the face and deny he is there until he's got his grip on you". There is a name for this, its a psychological phenomena, I forget what its called. Lesson here, take it from me, don't be sheep, train, be equipped, and be flexible. Dont live in denial, adapt to the changing times.

[@hiperventilat8064]

Such a wise comment. What saddens me most is how conflicts end up scalating unnecessarily when things, as hard as they can be, can be solved before war.

[@adambordeaux4876]

Cognitive dissonance

[@ChalcolithicPrizim]

The GWOT is different from a peer conflict

[@untenableposition]

ukraine war was fake and gay

[@jnwilliams1986]

11bang here, they will romanticize the idea of conflict and doing “what's right” up until the front comes to their door. Once they see it for all its grim realities then it's weight will start to sink in. Either they will double down or see it for its futility and stop. Hopefully, the latter. AATW. RD7 out.

[@jasonblack4208]

small correction: Strauss and Howe didn't predict a civil war in the 2020s. They predicted a crisis era that would start sometime in the 2000s and end between the late 2020s to early 2030s. Their work doesn't deal much with predicting the specifics of the exact timing or nature of conflicts. Instead, it's about 18-25 year periods of societal moods/conditions that recur in the same order, because the current mood/condition has a predictable influence on the young generation at the time, who in turn shape the next period in predictable ways. Example: the blissful post-war period of the 1950s is called a "High". The children of a "high" are called "Idealists/Prophets" because they come to view the cheerful conformity of their youth as fake and lacking in morality, creativity and passion. This is why twenty years later, you got the |"Awakening" period of the 1970s.

[@akkikishore3770]

check out the new book

[@xLeeroycranex]

Well, they may not have predicted as such back then for the crisis but Howe is currently going around saying a civil war or World War is possible and probably has to happen before the next age is ushered in.

[@AJ-kv1po]

I can't remember the details but Robert Greene's the laws of human nature has a good explanation of the cycles of generations at the end. Good book too 👌

[@InJouHande]

War is part of human nature. Its a horrible but necessary part of society as a whole.@@xLeeroycranex

[@Enhancedlies]

this one - The Fourth Turning Is Here: What the Seasons of History Tell Us about How and When This Crisis Will End?@@akkikishore3770

[@hans8372]

When did Europe cut of immigration? As a European looking at the numbers it seems the opposite is true.

[@gm9460]

I’m not sure this guy quite understands non US issues at all. He even reveals he doesn’t understand the Israel was in this video and thinks the US isn’t involved (which is pretty ignorant)

[@OCTAMAN]

@@gm9460this a pretty combo theme with him. He does absurd amounts of research and it great at presenting his argument but often times he gets so wrapped up in his own research and network he fails to notice what “normal” people are dealing with. He’s likely correct when looking at it from a long term angle, but the vast majority of people don’t care about predictions thirty years from now now. We are about now and the near future

[@majedtaleb3944]

Comparing to America, Europe takes in very few immigrants

[@erosionhead420]

I’m blown away with how interesting these comments are. This production was very well done. I subbed. I will say that Most people are clueless as to what’s going on. They just watch Lester Holt and think that’s the news. I envy those people. Many of us have tried desperately to go back to sleep and we can’t. I’ve never lived in an urban area fortunately. I’m more worried about the release of another virus. I won’t go willingly into a FEMA camp. That’s the hill I’m willing to die on.

[@aidanrockstar2003]

This production is biased as hell. Him saying that there was no theocrat or fascist here in the USA three years ago is the biggest lie of all and you think this was a well put production???? Your thought process will be the reason why our country is going gonna fail, because you’re believing propaganda lies. Both sides want us fighting against each other. We need to unite as WE THE PEOPLE instead of listening to either party who are intentionally tearing us apart.

[@lopoa126]

Living in a city is great. So much diverse food and culture to explore. Adjust your tinfoil hat.

[@chrisvallianos8164]

I won't go willingly anywhere, you are not alone. Not all of us enjoy diversity.

[@erikgarcia2854]

​@@lopoa126Typical sheep

[@snicky4660]

maybe you should try some imsomnia medication bro

[@WSKRBSCT]

A big thing that I really didn't hear addressed in this is that if these people think they're miserable and broke now, wait until a war started. That would take miserable to a whole new level.

[@geo5146]

I KNOW right??? It’s stupidity honestly. As Mike Tyson said “everyone has a plan, until they get hit in the mouth.”

[@fryguy994]

True, but once you open that box you can't close it

[@tylerknight2993]

If things get worse, society will crumble. That’s very possible since we aren’t even in war times or recession and that is likely very soon.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

@@fryguy994 Sure they'll lose everything but they'll have nothing else to lose which means BIG BIG risks

[@renotv3860]

Yeah, until it's over and we can start building a better nation.

[@Cordon3]

As someone at university I can tell you that it’s an echo chamber of weakness from those who preach their ideology

[@visionaryhera]

I hate going to university I hate it I hear 24/7 how bad racism is and how bad sexism is and how gender isn’t real and I’m just fucking triggered being there. Straight up I gently said “doesn’t that sound a little dumb?” To a classmate saying “defund the police”. She paused, looked at me like I’m ‘one of them’ and said “no they’re racist and literally anything would be so much better”. I fucking can’t with these people I put up a façade but I literally fucking can’t deal with this bullshit for another 3 years I’ll probably just go do trade school FUCK.

[@notallowedtobehonest2539]

Nonsentients have conquered academia

[@dismaleclipse5587]

​@@notallowedtobehonest2539 "nonsentients" great term, will use Thanks))

[@maximumbrexit4503]

No they're just smarter than you broski. You think cutting edge physicists are in an "echo chamber?"

[@zunedog31]

Been that way for 200 years

[@MrBillyd603]

at 11 minutes you had a map up i know what red and blue are but what does yellow indicate? thankyou

[@user-uo7fw5bo1o]

Yellow means tossup, i.e., too closely divided politically to determine if it'll flip red or blue come November.

[@normanprotorczyn5017]

As a European, I can't stop watching. Delulu cranked to 11. Good content.

[@alexniklaus6216]

San Francisco is trying to ban stores from leaving and the Hawaii Supreme Court basically just denounced the construction citing a “law” from the previous kingdom of hawaii. Politics and law is just getting more crazy. The economy is looking weird as hell right now and will probably blow up this year. 2024 will likely be remembered as the inflection point at which post ww2 modernity officially ended.

[@jakeroper1096]

There’s a chance China starts to realize their mistake siding with Russia and will make efforts to rejoin the world. If so, we’ll see the market “blow up” like nothing before.

[@Trisket]

​@@TrolololololoChing"Texas sovereignty is disputed" lol, lmao even. Mexico City would be wiped off the map before the US hands over Texas.

[@zeroconsequences]

"post ww2 modernity" otherwise known as the Liberal World Order.

[@TheZestyCar]

And what does 'post ww2 modernity' refer to exactly?

[@AntiquatedApe]

I've been waiting for an end to the age of modernity. Whatever comes next is anyone's guess.

[@cachavik6858]

Civil War sounds crazy until you realize we have been in a state of constant domestic skirmishes since 2016. We have had neither a peaceful transition of power since the 2016 election nor a strong unifying issue for the entire population to unify behind since 9/11. 2024 is very likely to finally break the camels back, especially as people are finding themselves with less to lose presently and nothing gain going forward in the current state of affairs.

[@coryhoggatt7691]

Guess you forgot that Hilary claimed the 2016 election was stolen from her too.

[@deleon83]

Yes, cause the demoncrats want it this way

[@thelaughingman1]

Thats all its going to be, at the height- it will be like the troubles in ireland. It won't look like pitched battles like the us civil war. It will look like random attacks while you're at your day job and then you go to work the next day and the number of homeless and crime continue to skyrocket until the value of the dollar reaches zero.

[@selohcin]

The only "domestic skirmishes" we've had are media-driven frenzies that lie to people and try to induce panic.

[@firefly9838]

People said that about 2020...

[@ironangel6610]

I truly enjoy your content. It is thoughtful, reflective, and unabashedly damning. It is refreshing to speculate on pending circumstances with both qualitative and quantitative data. While I truly hope that your prediction can be avoided, I appreciate the insightful journey that we must embark upon. Please continue making your content. There are those of us who prefer consideration over reaction.

[@cumcumson5661]

Is this a joke comment?

[@philosophyforum4668]

KS, KY, and NC - You guys have to get it together.

[@richdobbs6595]

Not only do I remember a time before New York being burned, I remember a time when Minneapolis wasn't routinely used to illustrate the collapse of civilization.

[@Maxipadtriplesix]

I lived in NY during the protests, we really didnt burn anything down. I think I saw on the news a cop car on fire once but I dont think any buildings got set on fire

[@ianweir3608]

I'm 31 and I don't. Is that when Kevin Garnett was playing?

[@ImGoingSupersonic]

"The Fall of Minneapolis" It's a documentary about it and mainly Floyd and how we've all been lied to. Blew my mind

[@richdobbs6595]

@@Maxipadtriplesix Dude, the New York quip that was a reference to the future civil war as shown in the end of video. You did watch the video didn't you?

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

I was 12 when the Blm riots first happened. I quite frankly don’t remember much of a time when every city wasn’t on fire

[@zachweaverproductions2523]

I used to fear this kind of scenario, but I also thought I would have something to lose by my early 30s

[@tanimation7289]

That really sums it all up.

[@arrtwo1375]

I have a wife but that’s really it

[@donovanchau3483]

I know so many people who are thrilled for such an event. Whether jokingly or completely serious, it was always the other young men my age. I was in the same boat as you, afraid I’d lose everything, but now as we approach the edge, I find myself with nothing to call my own. An uncertain future with no social security, no retirement, an oversaturated job market, dwindling economics, no ability to buy a home, no ability to raise a family. Even my friends who are more tame and laid back are now open to revolution and civil war. The last couple years has been radicalizing the only level headed youth we have left.

[@Ben-rq5re]

I think a sizeable factor for many young men is just boredom and lack of meaning. Every day is the same dull drudgery with no end in sight, so many would flip the board just to see what would happen.

[@User-54631]

Special forces operators hate people calling for war who have no experience in it.

[@einwanderingwolf8809]

Sir, I had to return to this video, and I just wanted to thank you. I have been watching your videos for some time, & am consistently gladdened & relieved to know that there are others out there; others with their eyes open. You have done young men a tremendous boon & favor by giving them the strategy game (RTS) mindset. It is the only way I see the world, & should be that of every young man of ambition, & few of us there are. I know we might be scattered across the country, but I'll wager a lot of us are right here. Spread though we are, young though we are, trodden though we are, we are mighty I'm here to contribute & fight the good fight. The time is nigh

[@Sienna6164]

God bless you, my brother in Christ. I stand with you and other men in all that you do. Love from a female Catholic Conservative in Southern California

[@einwanderingwolf8809]

South California? Do you have plans to leave or stay?

[@Sienna6164]

@@einwanderingwolf8809 I am gonna finish my education and then dip

[@einwanderingwolf8809]

Yes do - w all possible haste!

[@ChasOnErie]

These words , your words are truth !!

[@ThatDamnedGamer1]

The biggest dice roll that we are watching is the border, both sides are lining up waiting for the other side to blink. We are at the point where a single hunter will be able to set it all off.

[@Manospondylus]

A hunter or cartel soldier.

[@thetapheonix]

An the Feds already lost. Tucked tail.

[@Endwankery]

​@@thetapheonixThey'll try something. Get ready

[@user-ud6ui7zt3r]

That's what happened at Lexington and Concorde, which we use to mark the start of the American Revolution. One guy got nervous/jumpy/antsy, fired a shot, and then everything went to crap. Personally, I think both sets of soldiers should realize that they are being used as political pawns, and, likewise, refuse to be used as pawns. How? By throwing their guns down on the ground, right from the get-go, and, instead, engaging in an Angry Dance Off with each other. Does such a strategy waste time? Sure it does. But so does participating in being used as a political pawn.

[@Endwankery]

Refusing to stand our ground before is why things have gotten this bad, it won't help us if we do that in the future. It's time to nut up or shut up

[@certifiedretart161]

"Man, I just wanted to play video games."

[@keonkla]

Didn't we all....didn't we all lmaooo.

[@Avogadros_number]

And this is one of the reasons why a civil war won’t happen. Our lives are too good to give them up for anarchy. Even the poor in this country live better than the upper class during any other time period. It would take more than polarization and political instability for a civil war here. If there’s a significant recession or depression, then yes, it could very well happen, but people disagreeing on stupid topics fueled by the internet won’t do it.

[@user-ik2fp6ih4n]

@@Avogadros_number you'll especially be caught by surprise when it does happen.

[@Avogadros_number]

@@user-ik2fp6ih4n sure. I’ve yet to come across someone who isn’t living in their mother’s basement propose this idea. You guys all seem to be 16-23 year olds who haven’t experienced the real world yet and spend 90% of your time online. My time in the military taught me that we’re a lot more similar than we are different. Go outside and talk to people, most people don’t care about politics. They aren’t the fringe from either side of the political spectrum rage baiting each other constantly, the people you seem to be convinced represents most Americans.

[@user-ik2fp6ih4n]

that won't matter either. the vast majority of people will be caught off guard and get themselves killed. @@Avogadros_number

[@jb894]

Can't wait 😊

[@opapakms9625]

We are seeing this happening in Portugal as well, this kind of mentality and vibe that you get from people today, many people who didnt vote in decades voted this year and voted on the far right populist party, showing that there was this dormant radical electorate that didn't see themselves in the normal parties that exist in Portugal. The train here started to speed up more still a bit away from derailing but I see it coming

[@mauser98kar]

37:50 - As a Ukrainian I can testify - after nearly 2 years of war raging in my country I kinda struggle to recall how it was before. Fear never goes away, and you can't quite adapt to, for example, sounds of jet bombers tearing through the sky, or missiles tearing down something a few short miles away. But sometimes you feel a bit weird when there is no air raid siren whole day.

[@saladin3273]

I heard the Butcher of Bakhmut is now in charge of the military. Good luck with not getting Shanghai'd.

[@khaccanhle1930]

As an American, I'm sorry that my countess turned you into a human shield to advance the totalitarian goals of the elites. This war is not necessary and the fault of the elites who hate humanity.

[@Chosen_Ash]

As a Ukrainian blooded Canadian i gotta feel at least sympathy for the Ukrainian people

[@Aaroncoppelman]

Радий, що хтось ще з українців також дивитися цей класний канал)

[@lukefriesenhahn8186]

I pray for the Ukrainians.

[@vjbd2757]

Whatifalthist: "Why the 2024 election will start a Civil War." Tim Pool: "Could he be one of my people?"

[@satan6548]

They both are probably Russian trolls, here to divide Americans among themselves.

[@KingMinionDemon]

Actually lol'd. Solid comment.

[@teaadvice4996]

Breaking news: as civil war breaks out tim poole is leading a group of incels to the capital

[@Randomperson-yr3gp]

@@teaadvice4996breaking news the government falls apart due to it being ruled by weak men

[@the_expidition427]

@@KingMinionDemon A presidential candidate being removed off a ballot hasn't happened since Lincoln

[@thegreatinterpreter8382]

It's interesting to think where the battlelines of the 2nd Civil War would be. In the first-- there where basically two theaters. One was a strip of land just 130 miles long-- the patch of countryside just west of the gap between Washington DC and Richmond. Virtually all major battles in the 'East' took place here-- Manassas (1 & 2), Fredericksburg, Antietam, Seven Days, Spotsylvania, Gettysburg, Chancellorsville, the Wilderness, Cold Harbor, etc. The other was the 'Western Theater.' This was deeper into the South but where major transportation hubs existed-- down the Mississippi River in Southern Tennessee and Northern Mississippi.. and then across the rail line that connected Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and the Carolinas. We're talking about battles like Shilo, Vicksburg, Atlanta, Chickamauga and Sherman's March to the Sea. So, judging by the modern divide in America, if there was another civil war, you could expect that same strip of land between Washington and Richmond to see some heavy fighting. The quiet hills of Gettysburg might once against roar with cannon fire-- with places like Harrisburg and Scranton burning to the ground. Chicago would almost certainly be besieged-- like New Orleans was during the first Civil War. They say Denver sits along the front range of the Rocky Mountains. Well now, it sits at the front line of the Western Theater of the New Civil War. A long line of heavy fighting will erupt along the foot of the Rockies-- from Colorado to New Mexico. The ugliest of the war will take place on the Westcoast because Right-wing troops would have to travel all the way out there through some of the most unforgiving country imaginable-- only to fight an enemy well rested, prepared, stocked up and entrenched in major cities. Almost certainly, we'd have ourselves a real-world, 'Battle for Los Angeles.' You can expect Left-wing troops to move forward out of San Fransisco as to avoid siege... so it's likely that the hot dusty country roads of the San Joaquin Vally would see some epic scale battles. And then, in the Pacific Northwest, there's probably going to be a lot of guerilla warfare in the mountains and forests of that region. Prepare for terms like, '"Battle of the Columbian River Basin," or the "Mount Renier Standoff."

[@davidjr.renfro2537]

Anybody rewatching after the guilty verdict?

[@CulusMagnus]

yep

[@bigbootros4362]

War is pretty horrendous. I think a large proportion of young Americans dont realise this. You will hate this if it happens. Your loved ones will suffer. You will see many people starve and you might also. You will see many atrocities and you might victim also. It will be awful. I'm surprised so many young Americans are happy about this.

[@bikesrcool_1958]

It makes sense for the generation that hasn’t had to go through a war concerning them the most wouldn’t know most evils in war, I too have not experienced getting bombed, running from bullets, or watching my friends getting killed

[@loneIyboy15]

I don't see how the cons outweigh the pros of finally fighting the Communists.

[@sunphoenix1231]

The poor fight the wars the rich wage. This isn't any different. Both Republicans and Democrats in power don't care beyond that culture wars or military wars are profitable. Anyone who wants war is clearly deluded. I'd never die for the rich willingly.

[@briitash]

Better to suffer the burdens of enduring the hardships of war than to stand aside and age in relative peace, but leave the fighting to be done by your children.

[@sunphoenix1231]

@@briitash dunno why you'd want to fight in a war that's being pushed by the rich. Trump is as much an Elite as Biden.

[@Dominic.Dybala]

"Rudyard, there are certain hills that you have to die on to be a man." The most based quote so far in 2024 goes to Mr Lynch "We're getting to the point where a large part of the population needs a civil war so they don't kill themselves." - bonus quote X'D

[@CMA418]

1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "[T]he truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. and the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

[@bobbyshaftoe]

The Tree of Liberty....

[@ProfessionalMusician74]

The Civil War quote has to be so comically unhinged

[@edwardmiessner6502]

​​@@CMA418 100% And it's the Christian Nationalists who want to have a Christian Revolution much like the Islamic Revolution in Iran 1979. Their leaders are mostly Boomers, Xers, Silent, and even a Greatest or two. I don't think any younger people L or R will stand for it.

[@charlesrhodes1089]

Wort wort wort

[@corbbing]

The famine is already happening. It's just that we're learning to stretch it out over a long time with replacing nutrients with carbs. No one eats tripe, which is filled with vitamins and minerals, it's all meat. Soy is even replacing meat, pushing consumers towards eating more "healthy" options than meat, so that the meat can be stretched among more people.

[@DadHominem]

Assuming there is a civil war, and then assuming it is something like left vs. right or red vs. blue, how do you see foreign interests getting involved? Which countries do you think would support which sides? Which countries might provide weapons, food, medical aid, etc. to which sides? Also which countries do you think have a preference - for any reason - for an actual civil war to take place in the USA. Second question, who do you see staying in the USA and who flees? I think anyone with assets of 8 figures and above flee for sure. Maybe some 7-figure people. What about others? If the left truly consist of the "managerial class", is it possible that so many of them flee that the war is a bit one-sided, and those on the right end up eliminating many/most of the left? It would be great to see a follow-up video with your thoughts on this.

[@philguer4802]

Simple. Every single democratic nation will support the side they supported in 2020: the one not refusing to accept election results. Russia, and probably China, will support the other isolationnist, losing side to divide the US and limit its global influence.

[@NemisCassander]

I recall when the Ukraine war started, and my friend's grandfather (who is second-generation Polish immigrant to the US and a retired Air Force Colonel) asked when I or my son would go fight. I just looked at him and replied, "Why would I go fight for Ukraine?" Note that it's a moot point for me, as I'm in my mid-40s and my eyesight would be a physical bar to entering the military. My son, though... I'm scared for him. Basically, when a lot of older people think that the younger generations are too weak and won't fight, my mental response is, 'What you mean is that they won't fight the wars you want them to fight. Give them a cause they believe in and why wouldn't they fight?'

[@brent4073]

Right? No way in hell I am going on any foreign soil to fight a war to protect trans people back in the states or the hoards of single 30+ cat ladies who friendzone or ghost you after a 1st date.

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

In the 40s would you have fought to liberate France or the Low Countries?

[@kaihinton6623]

This is the same mindset that led to the nazis conquering europe and america not being prepared for pearl harbour

[@Moses_VII]

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 They were fighting the literal Nazis, and war used to be fashionable back then, unlike now when we realise the value of peace.

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

@@Moses_VII They valued peace back then too. They appeased Japan and Germany until Japan and Germany came for them. They could have stopped Germany in the Rhineland, then in Austria, then in the Sudetenland, then in Czechoslovakia. But only when the Germans went for Poland did the allies decide to do something. The US took even longer, could have stopped japan in Korea, Manchuria, China, Vietnam, Malaysia etc. But people valued peace so much back then that eventually war came for them. Let’s not repeat the same mistakes from the past, Russia already invaded Moldavia, Georgia and Crimea and is now going for the rest of Ukraine. In Ukraine it feels like just by supplying them they can win, but politics is getting in the way.

[@spacecandygames7575]

I’m in a state that supports Texas, and tbh it SEEMs most military people who are willing to fight are the ones who would support Texas.

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

You'd be surprised, a lot of them only support Texas as a state. In a secession crisis I don't doubt a very large portion of the military would fracture no matter where you went. Though I'm 90% sure there will not be a civil war, the right cards just are not in play. A lot would have to go wrong at once for that to happen.

[@vibejourney3662]

There are real reasons to secede and there are stupid ones Texas is being stupid Imagine being willing to give up free travel through the richest states, nuclear weapons, navy vessels, most military bases, trade agreements, international alliances, access to the Pacific Ocean, federal funding, and soso much more just because you’re sad some razor wire is coming down? 😂 Fr could be mitigated with a bill and seasonal visas for jobs that most certainly American citizens will not do like fruit picking and meat packing. Blame corporations for hiring illegal migrants to pay them cheap not the people themselves. And if you get them to pay taxes so what win win

[@Funkiy]

What? The college nerd liberals who eat soy and artificial meat don’t wanna fight? It’s the gun owning current and ex military republican men? Who would’ve thought

[@christianedwards6364]

Military people want to get paid and go home. They don't want to fight Americans. Whoever is president doesn't really affect day to day shit in the military

[@marcusaustralius2416]

I've got a mate in the national guard who's colleague, also an NCO, straight up told him that if the feds told them to take guns or abandon the border, that he would either fight with sympathetic NG against the government or ditch and join a militia The level of sympathy within the military for the federal government is very low, the brass are supportive because that's who gave them their position, but the officers, NCOs and grunts seem to heavily lean towards the right

[@vincewhite5087]

After being a conservative most of my life, I left the movement last 2 years.

[@Paull71937]

Didn’t have rudyard saying “I’m an empath” on my 2024 bingo list

[@nickbob2003]

I just started the video and am in the comments for some reason. Cannot wait to hear the context of this lmao

[@michaelboyce4729]

"I'm an empath" cringe lol :)

[@CALL_SIGN_DUCK42]

It’s better then being on the left😂😂

[@isaacgorski6054]

This is a quote attributed to the Soviet dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, author of "The Gulag Archipelago": "The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over. The moment the Men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these Men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people's door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy... but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone." I love this quote so much and it feels so real today.

[@skyqueen1148]

"I may not have any interest in politics; but politics has an interest in me".

[@corym.johnson7241]

That is what it feels like I have been doing. I harbor great anger towards feminism, christianity, etc for their corrupt ways or abhorrent negligence among other things. I simply want to have my own family and life that i live. Yet it really does seem impossible at this time. I feel this deep rage inside and do what I can to say no and make peace. Peace within and peace with others. I no longer feel hopeless but I do feel rage and bloodthirst as he spoke in the video. I do sense a coming violence. edit: I sense violence coming broadly. To be absolutely clear on that.

[@lucianraphael9527]

@@corym.johnson7241stopped reading at Christianity. You’re coping my friend

[@mickeyslaven]

@@corym.johnson7241 wake up before it’s too late dude. Jesus tried to warn you and you ignored him.

[@harleyjordan7959]

​@corym.johnson7241 you can (and should) have an issue with organized religion. But the Christian faith is not the problem. Flawed and lost people claiming or thinking they're Christian is the problem. People show up twice a year to church and call themselves Christian even though they haven't opened a Bible or prayed outside of those two yearly visits to church. That said, I personally don't trust any church that has more members than my childhood hometown of 10,000. Honestly, anything that can be considered a mega church I stay away from. If you have no real chance of meeting with your pastor, then steer clear

[@bobsingh7949]

"socially already in a civil war," that hit me.

[@TheGreenKnight500]

I've heard it described as a "civil cold war". I think that's what we're in.

[@steffenaltmeier6602]

we went from memeing about the culture war to living in it

[@mirceazaharia2094]

​@@steffenaltmeier6602 The Culture War is an actual thing. The Civil War is already ongoing, it simply has not reached the point of widespread violence, sending political opponents to sleep with the fishes, and widespread disobedience towards the Feds. Maybe give it another 10 years at most. The timeline would be accelerated greatly if a major figure on either side gets unalived.

[@samuraisponge2576]

@whatifalthist read Spain in our hearts, it’s about the Spanish civil war in the late 1930’s and it reflects what I think would happen in a second American civil war.

[@nufcblacknwhite09]

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. “We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by there creator with certain unalienable rights; among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” God bless the USA, we will take it back.

[@jaredbryan5010]

Gotta love the whole civil war intro followed swiftly by an ad read

[@ThePalePatriot]

Well I do not see you sending him money to do the videos!

[@portostrengthunion]

​@@ThePalePatriotI think you are missing OP's point my friend. Ad reads are not very revolutionary

[@superhanz7190]

I think your missing the point also, the video is not meant to encourage revolution, just observing it’s possibility

[@portostrengthunion]

@@superhanz7190 what do you think the point OP was trying to make? My Goodness.

[@Hap_Shaughessy]

Gotta grift fake narratives to make that money.

[@Lorem_ipsum_dolor_sit_amet]

Can't help but feel that the old proverb "the child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down just to feel its warmth" also applies on a societal level. Modern society offers little more than endless hardship and hopelessness to millions of young men and women, so why wouldn't we want to watch it burn? Whatever happens, I can't see the current social/political paradigm lasting another decade, its become intolerable to far too many. Anything is better than what we have right now

[@PNWOverland]

any form of marxism would be worse, much worse

[@GaZonk100]

step outside your front door and you'll find yourself standing in the First World. . . start from there. . . it's not all bad(from a seventy yr-old rock guitarist)

[@traiascacodreanu4553]

​@@GaZonk100You grew up in a different time.

[@Infamous41]

​@@GaZonk100ur very old

[@kkvv3699]

ok boomer@@GaZonk100

[@awesomeking6]

I don't want to be in battle. But waiting at the edge of one I can't escape as even worse. - Pippin Took

[@wildemthefem5773]

I watched your video “Explaining American Civilization” and it was amazing, so I clicked on this one as well. I’m only about a third of the way into it, but I have to ask, what about those of us in the middle? I don’t identify with the left or the right; there are things about each “side” I love and despise. Maybe if I keep listening there will be more, but I really hope we all get out of this way of thinking that tries to place us all on a “side”.

[@TheStriperhunter]

As a boomer with a son 30 years old, I understand the difficulties faced by his generation. The cost of housing and dating seem unsurmountable. In my son's case though, he seems to not be angry, but apathetic. He's got a great job but because every home that comes up for sale is snatched up by large investment houses ownership is impossible and rent is artificially inflated. My older children (by just 10 years) didn't have this issue.

[@MrKillswitch88]

If he doesn't mind the commute or just settling for less save up for some bare land (rural) and buy a mobile home or just build something as that is about the only thing left for us poors. Can find homes for like $40k however such are like two hours away from the nearest walmart in mostly abandoned small towns.

[@SirCatWaffel]

The zoning and building permits are limiting a lot of this. ​@@MrKillswitch88

[@Yorktown-pb8bd]

Need to end the WEF you will own nothing and be happy. Krause Schwab taught by a traitor named Henrry Kissenger

[@styrfry]

I'm glad you understand your son. My boomer father just doesn't understand my apathy towards the world. Like others have said, your only real option for an "affordable home" these days involves buying a rural lot 2+ counties away from a large city and building something on it. Hopefully your son can work remotely or get a transfer to a rural area. The city I've lived my entire life in has seen a huge increase in home prices these past 5-6 years. They are starting to tear down every spare scrap of green land and converting it into more townhomes, apartments and 5-over-1's. Just off the top of my head in the last few years, an old 9-hole golf course, a major flea market and go-cart/putt-putt area have all been bought out and filled with homes/townhomes/apartments respectively. There's this one house right by the interstate that has been offered millions of dollars for his lot and he refuses to this day. They ended up nearly encircling the poor guy's house with two hotels!

[@badhabits1965]

I wish any boomers in my family understood. My dad and uncles just tell me and my brothers that we have it so much better than them because they never had smart phones as kids, and we're just lying about houses being more unaffordable because interest rates are lower. Most common attitude from boomers is that if something isn't a problem for them, then it can't be a problem for anyone else and you must be lying. They have zero empathy. They don't care about society. They don't even love their kids. I don't think my dad loves me or my brothers, since he puts in zero effort to understand us at all. I want to know what the hell is wrong with your generation? What made your generation so selfish that they don't even love their kids?

[@S41GON]

"Two more weeks" vs "This time it's different'

[@SisckoImper]

It's just sad

[@eibbor171]

yep its the same thing and people are to stupid,blind or willfully ignorant to see it or you could do "two more weeks" vs "It cant happen here"

[@janetsanders2239]

Good stuff

[@SolomonGrumpie]

Great thought experiment

[@arturoandrino7071]

As a spaniard having studied the spanish civil war in detail this sounds like a very similar scenario. A conflict that divides families, friends and neighbourhoods rather than states or big factions, a war fought at a very granular level until the army seizes large chunks of the country

[@Thermopylae2007]

I am reading through Stanley G. Payne's "The Collapse of the Spanish Republic: 1933-1936" and just went through the part about the February 1936 elections that eventually led to the Civil War. I can see plenty of potential similarities with the US today and perhaps some political machinations in Europe. Even the Spanish military was quite split in the months leading up to the conflict, somewhat like the current politicization of the US military, so it would be hard to know how things may fall I'd the US begins to unravel after a contested election.

[@AmericanAdvancement]

I’ll make the argument that this will play out somewhat differently than Spain for one simple reason, the states will provide the nucleus for organized rebellion in a way that generals or the average citizenry can’t. Each state is like an autonomous country within the United States, each with its own law enforcement agencies, bureaucratic institutions, and even militaries. Should a FEDERAL election be contested, then the states will be the first to challenge its results in an organized fashion and, should the situation turn kinetic, they will be the only major organization able to muster a significant amount of manpower to the cause. The American people have already relocated en mass to states that align with their views as can be seen in the latest election results with red states getting redder, blue states getting bluer, and swing states disappearing at an alarming rate.

[@Thermopylae2007]

@AmericanAdvancement Years ago I likely would have thought of such a conflict primarily in terms of sectarian strife at the local level (that could still be the case in some areas) but the increasing division of states and perhaps even some Canadian provinces across political lines suggests that we could likely see such divisions. I think that also opens up greater possibilities for conflict, since many people who'd hesitate to become an insurgent/rebel against the broader society might find it easier to ally themselves with a political jurisdiction that at least gives the colour of law to their choice. It's probably also easier for a higher level of government to go after individual dissidents than to sanction entire states and regions.

[@AmericanAdvancement]

⁠​⁠@@Thermopylae2007 The scariest part about the states being the ones to organize the war is that they will enact organized purges amongst their populace to ensure compliance. Anyone who speaks out against their state or state coalition governments will be imprisoned or worse depending on how high political tensions get before the war starts. Canada is an interesting player in all of this that nobody factors into the equation. I firmly believe that opposition to the U.S. is the only reason why Canada continues to exist as a unified nation. Take that away and Canada will break into five separate nations due to geography. British Columbia (or the Vancouver area) would side with the pacific faction of the civil war, the prairie provinces would side with the republican faction, Ontario would side with the American northeastern faction, Quebec would stay out of it and suffer in silence, and the Atlantic provinces would side with the American northeastern faction.

[@raysheyo2809]

Me too I compared a civil war to the Spanish civil war

[@Blizznor]

As a Russian sleeper agent I see this as an absolute win

[@se7046]

Lmao😂

[@williamwalker8107]

By by Mfr

[@anders1621]

LOL 🤣🤣🤣

[@Luna_The_Femboy999]

Texas🇨🇱🤝🏻🇷🇺Russia

[@whodey5103]

​@@Luna_The_Femboy999insecure much?

[@GreekAekaras]

Re watching this after the Trump conviction….. 🥶😭

[@vladimirlenin843]

This will age like fine milk

[@johner3364]

If you think this’ll age bad, just wait until you STOP aging later this year! you know, cause you died in the civil war?

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

Pip: "It’s so quiet,” Mithrandir: “It’s the deep breath before the plunge.” Pip: “I don’t want to be in a battle, but waiting on the edge of one I can’t escape is even worse.”

[@beskamir5977]

Tolkien was a war veteran. He definitely knew what he was talking about from first hand experience.

[@kellyfj]

"We come to it at last"

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

show them no mercy for you shall receive none we don't get to choose what times we live in, all you have to do is decide what to do with the times given to you...

[@bobsingh7949]

well used quotes sir, well used indeed. I also find Mithrandir's reply to Frodo during the discovery that Frodo's ring is the One. Specifically Frodo's wish the situation hadn't happened to him and in this time.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

@@bobsingh7949 "so do all that live through such times..."

[@Dock284]

"You could say they are master baiters" -Whatifalthist, 2024

[@bhante1345]

Be the master baiter you want to see in this world.

[@Erik_Ochoa013]

I’m master baiting rn 😈

[@saladin3273]

​@Californian-Wrong_thinker13. 😐

[@MarvelousSeven]

If you bathe in the master bathroom are you "master bathing"?

[@Kim_YoJong]

​@@saladin3273🥵

[@Kjom4]

What is your Twitter? Surely interesting stuff there, too.

[@darthseagraves]

I'm ready for it!

[@DiegoGarcia-ux1ml]

“If you do something bad to us, we are going to do things to you that have never been done before”

[@Darth_Bateman]

“Oh yeah? Like what?”

[@BonusHole]

If you mess with the women of America, you will get the benefits.

[@panderson9561]

@@Darth_Bateman Send you to Diego Garcia.

[@user-pt5xc1pp4z]

@@Darth_Bateman "Face the wall, Now."

[@Darth_Bateman]

@@user-pt5xc1pp4z ha, that’s been done before, poser.

[@man-observing-world]

As a financial speculator, the most action happens generally after extreme apathy, meaning things start to happen precisely when most people least expect.

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

@@MasterBlaster220 Action - rioting, protests, civil unrest, insurrection, arrests, etc.

[@Madseason6x9]

I live by that quote

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

@edder The same thing happened during the 1960s. Unfortunately, there are a much larger amount of factors at play this time. Including massive USD devaluation, a public health epidemic, and unsteady social safety nets. It will take a lot more than (public perception and a young President) to fix these issues.

[@antilaw9911]

Murphys law

[@PhonkinPlants]

​@@MasterBlaster220just about everything has some type of historical similarities except... the credit bubble were in. The world as a whole has never been this far off in debt let alone America.

[@billstrasburg384]

7:28 I need to disagree. The military is definitely right, and has sworn a duty to uphold The Constitution......like Texas Rangers, U.S. Marshalls, and Sheriffs' Departments. Yes. But the police are definitely left. Police support incorporated cities, and blue mayors tell them to stand down in the face of domestic terrorists like Antifa and BLM while targeting Conservatives. All over this country, police run radar traps on Sunday mornings. Suspicious, right? Only old and often affluent Conservative people are out driving to Church then. All criminals and Atheists are asleep or not on the road at that time. The police refuse to prosecute petty theft in blue cities. The police protect squatters from homeowners. The police are enforcing a liberal globalist agenda to normalize and condone bad behavior while prosecuting and punishing law-abiding good people. The police absolutely DESPISE and willfully ignore The Constitution. "Where are you coming from?" "Where are you going?" "VHERE ARR YERR PAPERSH?" Who does THAT sound like? Only Soviets are further left than that. The police are the definition of Big Government, and they are extremely leftist.