Why the 3DS & Wii U eShops Had to Die

[@bungiefan]

You completely skipped over another huge risk/cost of keeping them online. Cybersecurity regulations have fines for non-compliance. Regulations like GDPR, PCI-DSS, and others in multiple countries and the industry itself have ruinous fines for non-compliance, especially when handling sensitive data like financial and medical data. They're turning off the payment processors (not the content download servers) like they did for Wii/DSi when GDPR took effect. Redownloads on Wii/DSi still are available. The cost of non-compliance can be equivalent to billions of US Dollars, per regulation/country. Updating to be compliant requires updating the consoles, not just the servers, and can be more expensive than the store continues to generate revenue, or can be impossible if the client hardware can't run compliant software and protocols. Not complying is even more expensive, to the point it could end a business. That Twitter thread you quoted kind of hinted at that. Many countries around the world have recently enacted cybersecurity data regulations and put pressure on companies to comply. The regulations have increasing requirements every year to counter vulnerabilities that have been found, or increased computing power weakening old encryption standards.

[@VideoGameStoryTime]

That's an excellent point.

[@bungiefan]

@@VideoGameStoryTime Also, it isn't just the cost of updating the servers/clients. It's all the staff tied to the cybersecurity operations, including technical legal staff that can match regulations to technical measures that meet the legal requirements. You also need people that can audit the compliance is actually there. So, programmers/engineers to implement the updates, legal staff that can tell the programmers/engineers what is required in proper technical terms, and auditors that can validate it all. That's millions of dollars a year in salary. An old console shop may not generate that. So operating in compliance costs you a lot, operating in non-compliance costs even more (possibly even the company), and shutting down doesn't cost you anything. There's other hidden costs as well, like the cost of employees to negotiate new distribution licenses for the eshop with each publisher/developer, many of which were probably near expiration and thus further incentive to close the shop. There's a lot of nuance to this that contributes to the decision, and businesses make decisions based on incentives and disincentives that don't match what influence us as individuals.

[@dapperfan44]

What I don't get is why not keep it as is, where you can only purchase by redeeming a gift card on the website? This is what Sony has done with their legacy stores.

[@bungiefan]

@@dapperfan44 Sony isn't necessarily keeping those up either. You can't buy psp games anymore to put on a psp. Ps3 and vita are gradually losing access to account functions on the systems and their stores are likely still approaching shutdown. Nnid wasn't made to be long term, Nintendo account may be, but 3ds can't use Nintendo account, and security concerns may end up getting nnid shut down later. As I said, there are a lot of less visible factors behind these decisions. One is renewing distribution licenses. Negotiating that takes time and money. If they don't renew, they have to delist the software for new purchase, ala Scott pilgrim versus the world for ps3 or Deadpool on pc and ps3. There's a lot of contracts and such that we don't get to see that influence the decisions.

[@dapperfan44]

@Jeffrey McDonald Hold on, that isn't true. You can in fact still buy PSP games. For example, you can still buy Crash Tag Team Racing which will only work on a PSP. You can also buy games like Super Stardust Portable, and if you buy it on a PS3 or Vita you will be able to play it on PSP, Vita, PS4 and PS5. You can still purchase and install PS1 Classics and PSP Minis to a PSP as well. However, you must connect the device to the internet to download the games, which is tedious in the PSP's case since it can't connect to modern Wi-Fi security standards. Sorry about the knee-jerk response before finishing reading but I had to make sure that misconception was corrected. P.S. the PSP store was closed in 2016, but there was no outcry about it because the games could still be purchased on the website until late 2020. (Most people preferred using the website for purchases anyway, because it was a smoother experience and it was easier to buy games for multiple consoles at a time.) After that the only option became to purchase them on PS3 or Vita. Recently, the service that was terminated was being able to buy microtransactions in PSP games, back in 2021. This is often misreported as shutting down the ability to purchase PSP games, as "closing the PSP store" when the PSP store had already been closed. That is likely where you got that misconception from.

[@Ukysseus]

Moral of the story: By hacking my 3DS I'm actually helping Nintendo not loose money

[@LycoLoco]

Just remember that hacking a 3ds doesn't immediately equal piracy. I use mine for playing NES and SNES games through RetroArch and other emulators on the platform, as well as homebrew like DoomPR

[@AdamsBrew78]

@@LycoLoco and you dumped your own physical NES and SNES cartridges? P.s. not all “piracy” is equal - pirating currently sold apps or games should be discouraged, as developers and publishers deserve to be rewarded for their hard work.. but downloading and enjoying digital goods that have been abandoned and are no longer being sold, isn’t wrong in any way, imo. Have fun, life is short…and don’t get hung up on technicalities. ;)

[@slapshotjack9806]

@@LycoLoco yes it does

[@julvialinares1395]

We love hshop

[@CivicRec]

*lose

[@OmegaGlops]

This all makes me appreciate the fact that Steam exists. I'm baffled as to why the eShop just doesn't encompass all Nintendo consoles as a its own singular thing, instead of having an entirely different one for every console they've put out since 2007.

[@clydefrosch]

Because it's a lot easier to set up a new and better working infrastructure with the knowledge of what to avoid, than to constantly have to repair things at the base of a systemically flawed infrastructure. Just remember the time where everyone e could just download anything from their content delivery system, that's how flawed it was, pirates pirated straight from their servers. That said, while they clearly have a workflow setting up shops per system until now, there's a good chance the current shop might be structurally sound enough to reuse in the future. Which doesn't mean they won't eventually unload on switch content to save money, but maybe it will stay around longer.

[@cosmicsvids]

Every one just emulates anyways because it's better then Nintendos offering a lot of the N64 games I actually played aren't on NSO. Where's Diddy Kong racing

[@TrainerAQ]

When Steam finally dies, as all things eventually do, your licenses to use those digital games will be gone.

[@renewagain6956]

@@TrainerAQ Wrong. They will be eternal.

[@cosmicsvids]

@@ThatFrutigerAeroGuy You can hack your dsi or 3ds to play roms off the sd card if thats a problem for you or buy a multicart off ebay loaded with all the games.

[@EnigmaNL]

This is why Piracy is needed. Games will be made unavailable by the companies but Piracy will allow us to keep downloading them forever.

[@zachduperron8543]

Exactly

[@idreadFell365]

I don’t like piracy but Nintendo should take some note on how they preserve product.

[@EnigmaNL]

@@idreadFell365 I love piracy. It is the solution to a lot of problems created by nasty DRM.

[@johntracy72]

​@@EnigmaNLhoist the Jolly Roger and lay a few broadsides in her timbers.

[@slapshotjack9806]

Enjoy getting sued

[@auroraparadox5235]

I still regret not grabbing a spare new 2ds xl when they marked them down to $99. The 3ds has an amazing library, and I'll be holding onto mine for the foreseeable future.

[@clydefrosch]

I know you can't expect a lot for 99 bucks, but in this case, even going for a moderately well used n3ds should be a better long term investment. 2ds is just build differently.

[@bluebomber875]

@@clydefrosch Um, no? A new 2ds xl does just fine and is vastly superior to the original model, and the joystick doesn’t feel like it’s going to break everytime you use it lol

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

The moral of the story: All good things must come to an end…yet it is alright to mourn that end.

[@jadenr_11]

But the wii e shop-

[@robuc11222]

just mod your 3ds or wii u and add h shop to it

[@JavaCake]

Yeah

[@avadoksorem2854]

That doesn’t apply to digital media.

[@GurdevSeepersaud]

No, but close. Moral of the story is actually: Nintendo is always willing to give the middle finger to their consumers so long as it helps their bottom line or protects their precious copyright.

[@rickster008]

The 3ds got me through a lot of hard times, march 27th will be a very sad day

[@A_d_e_k]

The problem with the eShop closing is Nintendo not giving other people the chance to play the catalogue legally. Keep supplying physical copies or digital support, opening up the source code, giving access through the Virtual Console (which Nintendo killed for no reason with a big middle finger)...anything would've made the inevitable transition good. As it stands, Nintendo is directly supporting piracy and descouraging legacy customers to continue supporting them.

[@CapnRetro]

Exactly. I second that 👑👍🏻

[@IAmComicallyCartoonyYKnow]

if they want to do that, make legit everything on the old eshops available again and make it free. it'll just be a direct download since the payment servers are down.

[@zachduperron8543]

So time for homebrew

[@zachduperron8543]

@@IAmComicallyCartoonyYKnow that I second

[@iantophernicus6042]

Well, this is depressing. I came home from rehearsals and I see the eShop gutted. No sales, no E3 or Direct features, just a sea of Software Currently Unavailable.

[@misterzygarde6431]

I would be down for the Switch's successor to be backwards compatible with 3DS and DS games, even if a hypothetical 3DS mode would have to be handheld only. They could even have a good chance to bring back the eShop. Alas it would never happen

[@therunawaykid6523]

That would be great

[@blaket1841]

Moral of the story: Physical copies of games have lasted over 40 years when well maintained. Digital editions of games don't have that same guarantee.

[@bulborb8756]

this is why I tend to prefer having physical copies, if it's not possible I will buy a game digitally, but for the most part, I will always go physical

[@Left4Cake]

Technically the Digital Games I currently have downloaded are also be available to me as much as the physical ones... Mean while BOTH exists on hardware I am personally storing and will eventually fail and if I didn't have a method of copying it over to another piece of hardware I am out of luck.

[@blaket1841]

@@Left4Cake What happens if the drive fails like nand on wii u? There are certain digital games that are tied to one specific system. The best platform I've seen for the digital era is steam, since it's been around for 20 years and probably the most consumer friendly. If you look around though there are some anti-consumer digital platforms though.

[@Left4Cake]

@@blaket1841 Yes so unless you can dump your own game or make your own backs ups, Cartrage, Disk, Digital Download, doesn't matter, makeing your own extra copies is the only way to REALLY keep you games safe. Also doing research in Emulation is also really importent for system exlsuives.

[@argonauts56au1kera6]

@@Left4Cake Yeah I agree with this statement the most, making backup copies of ROMs are the best way if game preservation.

[@jcam5]

Funny if download sales from 3ds and Wii U eshop become highest the week before the stores close. There's already a sales boost of the older Pokemon games on the eshop

[@clydefrosch]

The various devs who sold on eshop are of course, aware of the trending topic and like to take the couple pennies they can get when everyone is pushed into fomo and going trigger happy in the Shop they didn't look at for 5 years.

[@NatetheNintendofan]

​@@clydefrosch imagine the day before the eShop closes Nintendo said change of plans the eShop isn't closing anymore then they did that to make a quick buck

[@clydefrosch]

@@NatetheNintendofan but they wont. It would hail lawsuits without end.

[@dafirelive]

Ya because people were forced to. Nobody would have bought them if Nintendo did not force them.

[@lagopusvulpuz1571]

I'm mad that the games in the E-Shop were at their full price. They could put the game at half the price.

[@UltimateInkling]

It sad that were several days away from its closure, i really loved the musics when u boot up the shop.

[@skystormgamingyt]

Gonna upload that on my channel a day before the closure:(

[@FedoraKirb]

A very informative story time. I’m glad I have a better understanding of the situation, but my (and many others’) main concern is game preservation. So many games are just gonna be lost due to being eShop exclusive. But of course, I’m not sure how feasible it is to expect a lot of these companies to port these games continuously to future systems. Also, 4:48 I’m really curious what the difference between a 9.8 and a 9.9 would entail🤣

[@BryantheArchivist]

No games will be lost. The homebrew and piracy communities have been backing everything up for years. The only thing lost is the availability to source many games that were only available through the store. Afterwards they just become abandonware.

[@TonyTheTGR]

It definitely made me sad that 2/3 of my purchases for said systems are digital in nature. Backing up SD-card ASAP!

[@clydefrosch]

No they're not. Its all out there and Tha KS to the chronic vulnerability in either of these systems, even your grandma ought to be able to access them if she really tried.

[@FedoraKirb]

@@clydefrosch Yes, because Nintendo loves that so much. Trying to do anything with these games is how you get Nintendo to steal your kneecaps, though I’ll admit it is an option.

[@clydefrosch]

@@FedoraKirb that's nonsense. Unless you torrent things, nothings ever happened to anyone pirating Nintendo games.

[@PrinceDinoboy]

Nintendo's biggest problem with shutting down the eShop and Nintendo Network servers are these two apps: Pokémon Bank and Poké Transporter. When these servers shut down, it will break transfer compatibility with the generation 1, 2, and 5 games (and therefore also generations 3 and 4) of Pokémon games, making many Pokémon unobtainable. I have a feeling that once these servers shut down, Nintendo will get a LOT of anger from people.

[@ChrisStoneinator]

Common Pokémon L

[@hyperguy6596]

Pokemon bank and Transporter are still gonna work after the shutdown

[@bulborb8756]

@@hyperguy6596 yeah, plus Bank will be made free so you dont have to pay for a membership for that

[@karlthorkildson4650]

​@@hyperguy6596 For an unknown period of time. The eShop closures will plug holes in payment systems and certain aging software vulnerabilities. But they would still have to look at how much the servers for online services costs to maintain. There are some third parties who have already pulled such for their games, or will soon. Pokemon Bank being free until probably at least the Scarlet/Violet expansion is fully out is more of a good will gesture.

[@flameprincess7313]

They might release the games on the Switch. Obviously, under a subscription type monthly fee for playing them.

[@theotherjared9824]

The most likely reason is that the costs to keep the servers running properly and maintain security grew larger than then incoming revenue. They were losing money by keeping the stores up, so they had to pull the plug at some point or risk being hacked.

[@DrSwoose]

The entirety of both shops was less than 2tb though

[@theotherjared9824]

@Jeff Eison that's 2tb that can be hacked. It was only a matter of time before an RCE exploit was discovered. That was probably not worth the few hundred dollars per week at most coming in.

[@MegaManNeo]

Well, I hope Pretendo gets along nicely because I sure like preservation and I would still like to try Mario Kart 7 as well as Splatoon 1.

[@mudi2000a]

The question now is, what is Sony doing differently that it can operate the infrastructure for the PS3 so much longer? For me it looks like Nintendo has some issues here. Maybe with the Switch they fixed them.

[@luisoncpp]

I don't think the Switch fixed them, its operating system is so basic that it's hard to think they went above and beyond with their eshop.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

Something I realized yesterday after the dust settled is that, on top of your points of just putting the poor things out of their misery, they simultaneously made a slam dunk to make up a decent amount of the costs of keeping the servers alive this long just by people's FOMO and panic buying everything they could. This makes sales that may have never happened had the end not been in sight. I am merely applauding this from a company making money perspective, the sheer massacre of content that hasnt been brought forward is something to mourn, no doubt, and everyone last resorting to piracy afterward I feel is completely justified.

[@HisDivineOrder]

The moral of the story: Nintendo doesn't care if your purchases are worthless after a while because they want you to buy their newest thing instead or, at best, rebuy the old thing you already bought yet again, but now for a newer system. Why should Nintendo make decisions that create a sustainable platform if they keep getting paid not to do it?

[@dafirelive]

Ok but if the switch had a eshop to that of the Wii U and 3ds you would have to buy multiple copies of a game if you have multiple systems. It actually costed less for you.

[@bungiefan]

Cybersecurity regulations have fines for non-compliance. Regulations like GDPR, PCI-DSS, and others in multiple countries and the industry itself have ruinous fines for non-compliance, especially when handling sensitive data like financial and medical data. They're turning off the payment processors (not the content download servers) like they did for Wii/DSi when GDPR took effect. Redownloads on Wii/DSi still are available. The cost of non-compliance can be equivalent to billions of US Dollars, per regulation/country. Updating to be compliant requires updating the consoles, not just the servers, and can be more expensive than the store continues to generate revenue, or can be impossible if the client hardware can't run compliant software and protocols. Not complying is even more expensive, to the point it could end a business. Many countries around the world have recently enacted cybersecurity data regulations and put pressure on companies to comply. The regulations have increasing requirements every year to counter vulnerabilities that have been found, or increased computing power weakening old encryption standards. They didn't have incentives to design it this way back in 2010/2011, and they didn't have the PC-side security/update/longevity experience for such a platform that Microsoft/Valve did (which is why Xbox/Steam don't have this problem, alongside PC being very backwards-compatible, though Xbox has been a mix of x86/x64/PowerPC).

[@mjc0961]

@@bungiefan Yeah I don't believe you. The number of websites that don't comply with GDPR and have gotten away with it for years says that the GDPR is toothless. Where's my simple "only necessary cookies" button like GDPR says I'm supposed to have? Doesn't exist on most of the internet because nobody enforced GDPR. And when fines do exist, on anything, they're never ruinous. They're pocket change to massive corporations like Nintendo. Nothing you have said here matches reality.

[@LasagaMan]

@@bungiefan It won't matter, people would rather mourn the funny branded storefront and put morality in front of what amounts to downloading files for a game than carring about the truth.

[@slapshotjack9806]

Why do you care so much it’s a freaking video game it’s not that deep

[@KeebeThePlush]

Even when they are gone, their legacy on Nintendo’s history won’t be forgotten

[@giygas9305]

Man, back in the day I wanted a Wii U so bad. I had a 3DS with a couple 3DS games and some old DS games. My mom didn’t allow me to get ANY new games because I was “too old” despite being in High School. I now have a Wii U but I barely even play the thing now as I hardly have time. I wish I could be young again and also have all the Nintendo stuff I now own.

[@cheetah672]

I studied cybersecurity in college and while I don't know specifics, I assumed as much when the news of the closure first went out. Sad news regardless, but it's a good reason to not keep it going forever

[@bungiefan]

Cybersecurity regulations have fines for non-compliance. Regulations like GDPR, PCI-DSS, and others in multiple countries and the industry itself have ruinous fines for non-compliance, especially when handling sensitive data like financial and medical data. They're turning off the payment processors (not the content download servers) like they did for Wii/DSi when GDPR took effect. Redownloads on Wii/DSi still are available. The cost of non-compliance can be equivalent to billions of US Dollars, per regulation/country. Updating to be compliant requires updating the consoles, not just the servers, and can be more expensive than the store continues to generate revenue, or can be impossible if the client hardware can't run compliant software and protocols. Not complying is even more expensive, to the point it could end a business. Many countries around the world have recently enacted cybersecurity data regulations and put pressure on companies to comply. The regulations have increasing requirements every year to counter vulnerabilities that have been found, or increased computing power weakening old encryption standards. They glossed over that part of it. There's regulations with teeth to them that require that they actually update the systems. That's why the cost gets higher every year, it is hard to make old software and hardware comply, and audit that it is doing so.

[@mjc0961]

@@bungiefan Yeah I don't believe you. The number of websites that don't comply with GDPR and have gotten away with it for years says that the GDPR is toothless. Where's my simple "only necessary cookies" button like GDPR says I'm supposed to have? Doesn't exist on most of the internet because nobody enforced GDPR. And when fines do exist, on anything, they're never ruinous. They're pocket change to massive corporations like Nintendo. Nothing you have said here matches reality.

[@WohaoG]

Subtitle error at 0:46 It says "obsolescencek"

[@gardevoirtraunmagil3881]

I also have another guess. Some old games are part of switch online were you can play old games online. Copies of many of these games can be purchased on the 3ds or WiiU. So why should you buy the game pass on the switch when you can buy the game on the old consoles without falling into a permanent cost trap. You have to pay for this game pass all the time, which I think is more locrative for the corporation. So I bought all the old games that interest me. I would have bought certain games anyway, but by closing them they could milk out everything that was possible from the 3ds. Also this is really sad because of many Dlcs

[@mattarificwolflink9280]

I would see this less depressing if they actually ported all the games from the previous systems over to the next generation system like other consoles

[@TheTraveler980]

It wouldn't kill Nintendo to preserve all their older titles for available purchase on the Switch and beyond, though.

[@keyblader007]

My biggest gripe is my Wii U bricked while in storage for no reason. I didn't use it for several years but it was in great condition. Nothing could fix it. Never been so made at Nintendo. No prior product from them had I had issues with especially to the level of unplayability.

[@Hopalongtom]

I need to hurry up and buy the Apollo Justice game on 3DS so I have the entire series on one system!

[@glhf2]

I believe all of the ace attorney games are on sale ATM so yeah, it'd be good timing.

[@Hopalongtom]

@@glhf2 Shame, on my end they;re all still max price!

[@glhf2]

@@Hopalongtom Weird, I wonder if they're only on sale in America for some reason?

[@Hopalongtom]

@@glhf2 it's possible, for me Apollo Justice is for sale at £19.99 which is the price it was always for sale for.

[@DrRank]

Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice, as well as their respective DLC, are also good ones, and they're also digital exclusive outside of Japan. And while Mobile ports do exist, they were designed for the 3DS.

[@GUKingOfHeart]

Buy everything you can now, the Switch's E-shop is shutting down in 2027!

[@TheFleshPrevails]

Never thought about this! Thank you for the insight! It makes a lot of sense, great video!

[@scaryhobbit211]

This finally gets into some of what I blame the eShop shutdowns on, which is more to do with the online infrastructure themselves. Because on top of the issues you brought up, I think Nintendo Network ID and the Wii U/3DS environments are just poorly designed to boot. Purchases are tied to the original console they were bought for, instead of to an online account like the Switch, Steam, and Xbox are.

[@timotheninja]

PSA: There are some great sales on the Wii U and 3DS eShops right now! A bunch of Capcom's games are $2.99 on the 3DS, Shovel Knight Treasure Trove is like $5.49 on the 3DS and Wii U and I'd highly recommend it, 5 games for that price is a steal. Steamworld Dig 1 & 2 and Steamworld Heist are also on deep sale on the 3DS and maybe the Wii U. I haven't looked much on the Wii U, so there's probably more on there.

[@iantophernicus6042]

I really wish capcom made the sale available over here in Australia, but because we only had the collections rather than individual games, everything stayed the same price.

[@ToonamiT0M]

The closing of these eShops wouldn't be an issue if the game were just available for the Switch. But Nintendo always restarts from scratch with each new system.

[@1992TheDiamondWolf]

Y'all nintendo want you pay Nintendo online subscription paywall to play GB/GBC/GBA/NES/SNES and Sega Genesis because you buy them on the Nintendo Switch. nintendo is the most greedy video games company be it the fans fault

[@bungiefan]

The new systems also can't play the software from the old ones without baking on the old hardware. 3ds has dsi and gba circuitry in it. Ds had gba circuitry. Gba had gbc circuitry. Wiiu had wii and GameCube circuitry. Emulation generally can't handle the previous 1 or 2 generations on the newer hardware. Leaving in the old circuitry leaves in some security vulnerabilities. Pc is the only platform that is very backwards compatible, and emulation adds compatibility, but Nintendo has been very resistant to the idea of accessible emulation. Alsp, the way 3ds is set up, with encryption keys even Nintendo doesn't know, and direct eshop access by the console needed to generate a unique ticket to the encrypted nand storage, means a pc or switch can't generate the data for the 3ds to be able to install the game. Unencrypted data on the sd card isn't accepted, and a matching ticket needs to be in nand. Your 3ds encryption key isn't known without hacking the console, and changes with a reformat. The security on the console prevents another console from making valid data.

[@1992TheDiamondWolf]

@@bungiefan well sony re-release some Playstation one games and if you bought it on ps3/ psp/ ps psvita you can download ps4 and ps5 one for free with nintendo would never do

[@alface935]

6:33 Ok that art was a sweet touch of you Thank you - Blue Woomy

[@chrislordnine]

I like how you said "It costs a lot to maintain old servers" when they'll still pay the same, even after the eShop closure. You can still redownload stuff, forcing Nintendo to not axe the servers.

[@bungiefan]

However, they don't have to pay governance, regulation, and compliance staff to audit and update the payment servers to comply with updated regulatory requirements. That's where the majority of the cost is. That saves millions in salary a year, and billions in potential fines.

[@afieldingaf]

​@bungiefan but how is there compliance issues with no direct payment since August last year and on the ps3 and vita stores you can still redeem pre paid cards and on xbox 360 store you can use pre paid cards PayPal and credit cards either Nintendo set up really bad systems to manage the stores or they are being stingy with money

[@luisoncpp]

Yep, if there is money involved, everything is more delicate. However I would be ok if it they made the 3DS eshop purchases only available from the browser. That could save them some expenses in development

[@shadowthehedgehog181]

You mean they couldn't just develop a PSN/XBL/Steam-type service? One uniform Nintendo Network that could be accessed to any supporting platform? All these different shops and services per platform was doomed to fail eventually

[@bungiefan]

Wii didn't have accounts. Nnid wasn't properly designed to be like that for 3ds and wiiu. Nintendo account looks like it might be properly set to continue going forward, as usual with Nintendo taking 3+ tries to do something properly after other companies have already set a standard.

[@MissAshley42]

They may be designed on a per console basis, but when they were announced, Nintendo billed the 3DS and Wii U eShops as THE Nintendo digital storefront going forward. Supposedly, our inability to freely transfer our Virtual Console purchases was a fair price to pay for having everything from these two systems available in one place and accessible from one account. We'll never know if that was a lie from the start, but I guess the Wii U's failure was big enough either way to mess with Nintendo's plans.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Nothing lasts forever till it is picked up by Pirates...oh wait they try so hard to shut that down while making sure no one really gets to play the old games once the expiration date comes

[@Adamatronamus]

Yay. They answered my question!

[@Valery0p5]

Do you know that the Nintendo Update Server from the Wii and DSi era were actually online a few years ago, way after the console end of line? They hosted system updates AND the WiiWare and DSiware shops, so they were never offline...

[@bungiefan]

They're still online today

[@pentacosttb2565]

Basically Nintendo didn't plan ahead properly and their customers and gaming generally have to pay the price of that bad decision. Hopefully the Seitch eshop will simply be iterated upon from here on out.

[@suntannedduck2388]

Switch is out so more money spent there. Licenses of IPs on the servers/eshop. 10 years besides the 6-7 lifecycle. Security especially. Servers to maintain. Repairs makes sense too.

[@TG03]

Goodbye eShops. Sigh :(

[@CapnRetro]

In the end, for me personally, I see them closing the shops, as promoting emulation. Instead of closing shops without any efforts to preserve, their library. They could make a console that plays their dead consoles games, where they sell old original titles, as physical copies. Instead they choose to not do anything about original game preservation, and just straight up close shops.

[@Ixapter]

Thanks for the info. And the illustrations. :)

[@someoneelse1534]

Given the frenzy buying on the eShop now you can understand them wanting to close them before releasing the next gen console so as not to take away from sales

[@PetarVazharski]

I don't think that cost for maintaining wii u and 3ds for 5 more years are that much. Еspecially since they already removed the payment methods. I don't have this information about how much it actually costs, but the very thought that they are hiding what the amount is, means that it is insultingly small. They just don't care.

[@dafirelive]

It cost over 1500$ a month. Nintendo is definitely not getting that back each month.

[@mr0o]

​@@dafirelivesource?

[@PetarVazharski]

​@@dafirelive If they put their games on sale, they would definately make the money. If Nintendo makes a Patreon, the fans will collect the necessary amount. :)

[@dafirelive]

@@mr0o ok I searched up again and I was mistaken. It’s around 1500$ to have employees maintain it. Source is top of google page.

[@dafirelive]

@@PetarVazharski Their games have been available for a long time. So long that a newer shinier toy has now been released. A majority of people don’t care about the 3ds eshop. Most people now just hack their 3ds which probably led to the eshop closing.

[@ADreamPainter]

Speaking as a programmer, It does seem Nintendo should focus on a modular approach to the way the shop works, and they build the shop architecture to support multiple consoles, with filters that will only show compatible games on each console. The code to run the console could be abstracted away behind certain functions, leaving the shop interactivity behind certain functions that are used across all consoles. Therefore any updates to the shop design could be changed in one location using the abstraction and universally updated on each console.

[@AllieRX]

The problem with digital storefronts on consoles is that consoles themselves refresh every 5-7 years, introducing a whole new generation. Once the install base of the new console gen is big enough, active userbase of its predecessor diminishes, and so the online service and the storefront get shut down. This is not a problem on PC with stuff like Steam and Epic Games, although they are just as prone to shutting down as their console counterparts. Because PCs don't refresh every 5-7 years and the hardware is constantly upgrading, so you can simply replace a part or two to extend your PC's life. Steam is still active after 20+ years and I can still buy games released years ago. And it seems Xbox is trying to do something similar to that with backwards compatibility.

[@bungiefan]

Xbox has managed to be like Steam in this regard. Xbox 360 games can still be bought on the Xbox store. Xbox 360 was also PowerPC-based and Xbox One/Series is x64-based. The store works on a similar design to Steam's. The difference is Microsoft and Valve had a long time working on PC and with internet before console companies did, to be familiar with the changing security scene and that the governments come in and regulate when there are failures in security. Nintendo especially likes to ignore industry best-practice and roll their own solution a few times until they find something else that works or they fail at it enough times, and they chose to do so with their online store and other online setup, when cybersecurity regulations were becoming stronger. That's not really a field you can go all wild west on your own solutions. PC is also backwards compatible in hardware back to like 1970s CPUs. that's got some downsides, like CPU efficiency and heat issues.

[@Ghost101]

With PC, only certain games are prone to be de-listed from the store due to a licensing problem. It's stupid, but it has happened before. Some games eventually come back while some never came back at all to this day.

[@bungiefan]

The pc os refresh cycle is about 5 years as well. Look at xp to Vista to 7 to 8 to 10 to 11. New os means new hardware requirements and new protocols like new directx versions. You do have to refresh the hardware, because mobo and cpu set your spec ceiling, and replacing those is essentially a new pc. 7 couldn't run games needing newer directx for 10, xp couldn't run games for 7

[@AllieRX]

@@bungiefan While new versions of Windows come every 5-7 years, you don't necessarily have to upgrade as soon as the new one comes out, or even a year or two after. I had Windows 7 throughout most of the 2010s and newer games ran just fine. It wasn't too long ago that I upgraded to Windows 10, which came out in 2015. Windows 11 came out late 2021, but I ain't upgrading to that one anytime soon, as 10 is still very much relevant. And a lot of people are still using 10. Hell, there are some folks who still use Windows 7. Also, when there's a console gen refresh, developers make games exclusively for the new console. This is not so much the case when a new version of Windows comes out. The only time that is required is when the previous version gets too old. Windows 11 is out, yet there are no PC games that require it or even recommend it. Whereas some next gen games require a Series S/X or a PS5 instead of an Xbox One or PS4. I've got a little story to tell you. In 2007, Microsoft actually tried to make the PC port of Halo 2 exclusive to Windows Vista, but PC gamers found a way not to upgrade to the new OS. People managed to play it on Windows XP with some workaround. So the PC "refresh" you're talking about is nothing like the refreshes that actually happen on consoles.

[@bungiefan]

@@AllieRX GameCube games still came out for a while after wii came out. Ps4 games have been coming out after ps5 did. Ps2 had games up through 2014 when ps3 came out in 2006. Wii had games up to 2019, while wiiu was out in 2012. Console generations tend to overlap at least a year or two, usually longer. It takes a while for people to migrate to a new console, just like to a new version of windows. Good luck making windows 7 install on new hardware that doesn't have drivers for it. I couldn't install win98 on a pentium 4 build in 2005, it couldn't handle the hardware it was faced with. Support for old hardware and operating systems dies, regardless of platform. Pc and console are the same in this. Pc just has more backwards compatibility due to the nature of how windows and the pc cpus have built up extensions and functions on top of old ones over the years. Pc also embraced emulation and virtualization earlier.

[@3482-h3s]

I dont really think the cost of the servers or security are the problem because you can still redownload and update stuff from the eshop. Also in the 3ds nintendo only made two themes from the theme shop avaliable to download. And if your talking about Maintenace the Wii shop channel went down last year and nintendo fixed it. Also you can still download like 2 free stuff from the wii shop channel and the 3ds transfer tool on the dsi shop. Also for the 10 years thing you talked about, the dsi shop closed 8 years after the dsi came out.

[@slapshotjack9806]

You clearly have no idea how online servers work

[@akaicedtea6236]

On a plus side switch kinda might no more separate handhelds. Consolidating their products should mean beneficial changes to all the problems mentioned about maintenance.

[@keijijohnson9754]

@@CardmanOfficial That may be the case but the Wii U and 3DS eShops were capable of being run on a browser as well.

[@AstonishingRed]

We need a hero now more than ever. The price of physical 3DS/Wii U games are going to triple on sites like EBay. And I’m certain that Nintendo will only make like 15 of those 3DS games available on NSO at some point in the future. This sucks BIG TIME for consumers no matter how it’s justified from a business standpoint.

[@dafirelive]

I say it’s because people stopped buying stuff from the Wii U and 3ds eshop. 1. Most people who use a 3ds still has modded it making it so they don’t have to purchase games. 2. People care more about the switch and stopped using their 3ds and Wii U.

[@bungiefan]

Sort of, but also the cost/risk of keeping the shop running versus the revenue it generates is way lopsided now, away from profit for Nintendo. Cybersecurity regulations have fines for non-compliance. Regulations like GDPR, PCI-DSS, and others in multiple countries and the industry itself have ruinous fines for non-compliance, especially when handling sensitive data like financial and medical data. They're turning off the payment processors (not the content download servers) like they did for Wii/DSi when GDPR took effect. Redownloads on Wii/DSi still are available. The cost of non-compliance can be equivalent to billions of US Dollars, per regulation/country. Updating to be compliant requires updating the consoles, not just the servers, and can be more expensive than the store continues to generate revenue, or can be impossible if the client hardware can't run compliant software and protocols. Not complying is even more expensive, to the point it could end a business. Many countries around the world have recently enacted cybersecurity data regulations and put pressure on companies to comply. The regulations have increasing requirements every year to counter vulnerabilities that have been found, or increased computing power weakening old encryption standards.

[@GamersInHellOnYt]

Moral of the story, nintendo refuses to have one eshop that would service all current and future consoles...causing them to be on constant repair duty. Thats called stubbornness. 😅

[@christiandevey3898]

On the bright side all exclusives to these e-shops will be legal to pirate

[@ArtemisWasHere]

No…… that’s not quite how that works

[@eskimopython2807]

@@ArtemisWasHere What other options will there be; and dont say physical copies, they have their own problems.

[@ArtemisWasHere]

@@eskimopython2807 you miss my point, I’m saying that it’s still not legal to pirate games, even when their store front has closed

[@Ghost101]

@@ArtemisWasHere Except nobody is really coming after you if you allegedly did pirate games. Besides, piracy is the only way to preserve old games now if Nintendo doesn't want to.

[@dafirelive]

Well I mean people pirating is what probably pushed it since people were no longer buying games.

[@dillanschmidt7459]

Don't be sad it's ending, be happy that it happened

[@mattzielkowski1256]

I'm more annoyed that the last few games I bought are trapped behind error codes than anything else. I'm gonna probably spend a lot of time over the weekend dealing with their tech support to deal with it

[@GurdevSeepersaud]

I really don't buy that the cost of upkeep won't be paid back by the millions of people who still buy 3DS and Wii U games. Also, why is the Vita storefront still up YEARS later? Don't see how Nintendo's short-sightedness is so much worse that it can't be corrected and an eShop can't be implemented with better security. In no way did these storefronts "have to die."

[@ChrisStoneinator]

I was losing my mind at the sheer lack of critical thought everywhere else in this comment section. Those idiots deserve the progressively worse situations they continue to accept without question.

[@leon4000]

@@ChrisStoneinator A person is only as good as the limitations that can be pushed. You can't expect all of them to have smart brains. There are those enough that do think outside the box. Just let the others grow instead of contributing to stagnate their growth.

[@PichusBlueberryPies]

@@ChrisStoneinator comment with reason, insulting others fixes nothing.

[@Scerttle]

It's almost like Nintendo should have ONE store for all of their consoles going forward.

[@giantnerd14]

This one is too depressing.

[@julianx2rl]

2:20 - Wait, the NX released?!

[@GUKingOfHeart]

a joke? The NX was renamed to the Switch.

[@TheRealBatabii]

@@GUKingOfHeart Or rather, NX was just the code name, and Switch was the official name. Like Project Revolution or Project Dolphin.

[@Slamy4096]

6:14 You are mixing things up at this point. Miyamoto only explains the incompatibility between platforms. But this is no reason for replacing the whole eShop system. This is only the reason why software for one machine cannot be executed on another. Nonetheless the server side can still be the same. For example, Steam works since its launch. But it supports multiple platforms as Mac OS, Linux and Windows versions of games are supplied by the same servers even so the target operation systems are incompatible with each other. This is something that can be hidden by the shop system. Nintendo seems to have an issue with avoiding legacy here with their accounts. The best approach would have been to provide a Nintendo account since the launch of the Wii. But no, unlike the PS3 they went the way of using the Wii System ID as an account id. They fixed this with the Wii U and the 3DS but we still had to migrate to another account as the Switch needed another one. This becomes tedious and is not necessary when comparing this with other console manufacturers.

[@zachduperron8543]

I still have my old busted up 3ds from 2013, might try homebrew one day just because I want free content.

[@p0tat0es_nation64]

They make less efforts than other companies... look at Xbox 360, online store is still alive even if the console is from 2005. And playstation wanted to close PS3 and ps Vita stores and canceled after community got very angry.

[@timelymirror7826]

didn't the 360 one shut down already

[@p0tat0es_nation64]

@@timelymirror7826 nope it's still online but many games are deleted because of license expiration

[@ryanhodgson8676]

Oh that mark brown joke at the beginning was awesome!

[@jaredpeyton9881]

I just assumed it was the same reason they took down the Wii shop channel and wifi connection for the Wii and DS back then.

[@Tock46]

The Wii Shop is still running on life support aka you can still download the games you bought. The Nintendo Wifi connection shut down was quite the lucky thing for Nintendo since they didn't have to decide to take it down but Gamespy on which Nintendo WFC ran on closed their servers in 2014.

[@video-luver769]

Yeah, Wifi connection was not strictly Nintendo's fault, it was because Gamespy went defunct.

[@bungiefan]

It kind of is, that happened when GDPR was taking effect. Cybersecurity regulations have fines for non-compliance. Regulations like GDPR, PCI-DSS, and others in multiple countries and the industry itself have ruinous fines for non-compliance, especially when handling sensitive data like financial and medical data. They're turning off the payment processors (not the content download servers) like they did for Wii/DSi when GDPR took effect. Redownloads on Wii/DSi still are available. The cost of non-compliance can be equivalent to billions of US Dollars, per regulation/country. Updating to be compliant requires updating the consoles, not just the servers, and can be more expensive than the store continues to generate revenue, or can be impossible if the client hardware can't run compliant software and protocols. Not complying is even more expensive, to the point it could end a business. Many countries around the world have recently enacted cybersecurity data regulations and put pressure on companies to comply. The regulations have increasing requirements every year to counter vulnerabilities that have been found, or increased computing power weakening old encryption standards. Wii was running on 2005/2006 internet security standards, which are absolutely ancient now. It couldn't even connect to newer wifi standards, and DS could only do unsecured and WEP, which in 2006 was equivalent to unsecured with how little time it took to crack a wifi security key.

[@thesailormercury2]

does Satoru Iwata would have done this?

[@kosterix123]

based on nothing, reasons for closing it's what most people obviously know. This means that the Switch is next, and that's what most people do not realize.

[@afieldingaf]

And the amount of money Nintendo is making from the switch they could easily keep the stores open but they simply don't care

[@dafirelive]

… That’s not how a company works.

[@bungiefan]

Cybersecurity regulations have fines for non-compliance. Regulations like GDPR, PCI-DSS, and others in multiple countries and the industry itself have ruinous fines for non-compliance, especially when handling sensitive data like financial and medical data. They're turning off the payment processors (not the content download servers) like they did for Wii/DSi when GDPR took effect. Redownloads on Wii/DSi still are available. The cost of non-compliance can be equivalent to billions of US Dollars, per regulation/country. Updating to be compliant requires updating the consoles, not just the servers, and can be more expensive than the store continues to generate revenue, or can be impossible if the client hardware can't run compliant software and protocols. Not complying is even more expensive, to the point it could end a business. Many countries around the world have recently enacted cybersecurity data regulations and put pressure on companies to comply. The regulations have increasing requirements every year to counter vulnerabilities that have been found, or increased computing power weakening old encryption standards. Switch may not offset the cost of non-compliance with those regulations. Taking that big of a fine is also not considered a good business risk management.

[@afieldingaf]

@@bungiefan well tell me Sony in 2021 when they tried to close the ps3 and vita store's said one of the reasons was e commerce with l interpe as potential security issues but after the decision to keep the store's open they too away direct payments on the ps3 and vita store's add funds through the website ps4 or ps5 or redeem a pre paid card directly on the ps3 or vita store's and if security is such a problem why is it the oldest digital store front the xbox 360 store almost 20 years old you can pay for purchases with prepaid cards credit cards or PayPal the sii u is only 10 years old there's no way the store should be closing yet if they were worried about security issues they have taken away direct payments similar to the ps3 and vita store's where is the threats Nintendo is a multi billion company making that much money of the switch it would cost them almost nothing to keep the wii u and 3ds store's operational exactly as it but Nintendo doesn't care about their legacy they want you to rent legacy content on a yearly subscription instead of a one off payment and you own it

[@afieldingaf]

@@bungiefan how would they get a fine with no direct payments on the wii u and 3ds store's they are closing the store's to save money simple as that

[@afieldingaf]

@@bungiefan how do you update console themselves it's the store's and servers and even if you were correct Sony managed to do it in the compromise to keep the ps3 and vita store's operational l get what you're saying especially with payment options but l still can't understand the risk with no direct payment option any more and when those payment options are still available on the xbox 360 store's which is a different store to the xbox one/xbox series store l know because l purchased a game on the 360 last month and l had the option of pre paid card credit card or PayPal

[@TheBombayMasterTony]

Informative.

[@joshwillcox7141]

And I was still able to buy and download Rayman 3 HD on my ps3 a while ago. Quickly realized it's vastly inferior to the ps2 version but I still did it.

[@DanteCrowlley]

Not everyone will buy old consoles to play exclusive games, their option was to risk a lot of money keeping open or shutting down n them resale the games at full price for modern consoles, ofc they'll have to fight the alternative ways, but loyal fans will rather buy a game then playing the alternative, I do this as well with some games, if I like it I try to buy it later on a sale, it's not bad for business but surely is bad on public opinion, but as long as everyone keeps buying it so it's ok since speak well or speak badly but speak of me, also buy my games

[@bungiefan]

Nintendo is also resistant to the concept of emulation to make old games available for sale, especially emulation of their platforms on hardware they didn't make and don't control. They're going to be the last company to embrace console emulation on PC. There's no legal requirement to keep old software in print, and public domain (the flip side to copyright) has been delayed 5 times to where it is a ridiculous length of time (95 years for company works like video games) for how fast hardware that can run old software goes obsolete. There's no use it or lose it clause on copyright either.

[@Danjovisagat]

You can be assured by the year 2050, your 3DS games will still work. Animal crossing won't be happy about this. I did a video about this, if your curious.

[@joffa99m44]

Simple awnser is money.

[@Mariogamer369]

This is going to be so sad

[@Matt231985uk]

I’d imagine it’s because the E shops have had a slow trickle of income over the last few years. Particularly the 3DS E shop. But how much money do you think they’ve made in the last couple of months with gamers desperately trying to buy games they think will he lost to time!!

[@PatrickWard4]

As cloud infrastructure gains popularity the excuse of maintaining old servers is going to go out the window. As these services will allow scaling either enormously large or as small as needed. At the end of the day, Nintendo certainly could host all their 3ds, Wii, and Wii U VC files on switch's eShop. Yes it would be an effort on their end to put out a firmware patch to Wii, Wii U, and DS systems. But it's not like they couldn't do it if they wanted to. Hosting the VC on Switch's eShop would have one storefront, one set of code to maintain, one place to ensure all ecommerce related security issues are patched, but as we already know, Nintendo wants to squeeze as much money out of its fanbase as possible and try to get them on NSO, even though NSO is lacking many of the games from the VC.

[@leon4000]

Compared to Virtual Consoles, The Nintendo Switch Online in terms of games is inferior. They are releasing a few games at a time, and the Switch is in its twilight state, already pushing its peak for as long as possible for things start to show decline. It's disappointing that they are going way too slow.

[@ShadedOne]

Physical prices of 3ds games shot up even more than it was already was.

[@LandonEmma]

I got so mad of people saying "why?" I think it is stupid for people asking it, and this is what I've said so thx for telling the stupid people why.

[@Giggles_iJest]

Y'know what *does* last forever? My N64

[@johntracy72]

And Super NES too.

[@77wolfblade]

Bow to your Nintendo masters!

[@minipicc95]

When things begin to shutdown on older systems. People end up wanting to use them more again like they did in the past!!!

[@therealjaystone2344]

Another future title: Why are both 3DS/Wii U online play is dead?

[@ashleyanne2056]

Welcome back lady story time!

[@mariofanl1ve]

"we have to keep supporting devices for 10 years to avoid lawsuits" idk if you know this Nintendo, but the new Nintendo 2ds xl came out in 2017 after the switch released.

[@bungiefan]

It's still 3ds compatible, which launched in 2011 about 12 years ago. There's 6 models of 3ds across 2 main specs, original and new. 3 of each type.

[@fernandod4046]

Does that mean that the ps3 shop was future proofed?

[@robsonclark9678]

This did such a better job of explaining this loss then anything else ive seen or heard on this subject. I thought it was just that they wanted more people to get the Switch Online, but this makes it seem much more reasonable to not keep up the servers indefinitely. They could update them, but it sounds increasingly costly... Im still very unhappy to see it go, but this helps with the sting and makes me understand instead of just being very upset with Nintendo. (Still upset, but less so!)

[@Sjono]

Who would’ve imagined that PS Vita’s digital store would outlast the 3DS’? Hell even the 18 & 17 year old 360 & PS3 are outlasting Wii U

[@timelymirror7826]

kinda unfair because the Wii U is much younger than the ps3 and Xbox 360

[@Sjono]

@@timelymirror7826 Unfair? It being younger should mean it should last longer

[@UndeadEggmiester]

I won't lie I'm not a tech guy and I don't know much about this. But if it needed new server's and stuff they could have temporarily shut them down while investing into new ones then reopened it. With all of the billions of yen Nintendo has made since the switch they could have easily done this. Yes nothing lasts forever physical Media, digital or even the mountains themselves will become dust. But this whole response from Nintendo and the people defending it just feels like cheap excuses because of choices that were made.

[@bungiefan]

It isn't just new servers. The client side console software has to be updated, and you've got much lower resource availability (cpu and ram) to handle updated encryption protocols and such. That's the bottleneck in compliance. Also, new servers wouldn't just be an easy thing. It isn't just the hardware. It is the security design of the server software, which still has to speak a language the console can understand. The foundations of the design themselves are flawed in light of newer security standards. It's why windows xp, Vista, 7, or 8 aren't updated anymore, and got replaced by things on newer foundations. Older hardware can't run nswer operating systems and you eventually need a new pc, same as a new console.

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

Steam, Ubisoft and all the other PC-distributors are building upon their old infrastructure as well, this looks like the typical Nintendo inability in these areas. The PS5 store is the same as the PS4 one as well, so even the direct competitor is able to preserve the old shop.

[@joncarlos716]

Physical will always be superior in my opinion

[@local_squid1162]

As someone probably once said. Enjoy things while they last as they may not exist tomorrow

[@GoldenTGB]

I remember watching a video reviewing Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn, and at the end of the video the reviewer said something along the lines of "Please stop releasing 3DS Games." The 3DS, and Wii U, practically died in 2016 and was put into the ground by 2017 when the Switch launched. I think Nintendo knows that when they announce a new console, the old console becomes pretty much obsoleted in the public eye. And also, these virtual shops, are mostly for the Nintendo fans. Especially the Virtual Console. The Virtual Console was doomed to fail, since only enthusiasts and nostalgic people would buy old games. Newer and casual players would probably never even dream about buying 20 to 30 year old games. Personally I believe many Nintendo fans are under the impression, that they are the majority of the player base. I have reason to believe otherwise. I think the Causal Consumer, the people who will buy less then say 5 games total for a system, are the majority. I believe that's why Nintendo Switch Online is marketed primarily as an online service, that one could use to play with your friends, and not a way to play older games. I think if it was presented as a way to play older games via subscription, the amount of people who subscribed to NSO would be a lot smaller. The Expansion Pass is that idea of playing older games via subscription, but the main selling point of Base NSO is playing online with friends

[@tidepoolclipper8657]

At least virtual console gave me the ability to purchase the games separate. They mostly just needed to lower prices from games from the NES up till the N64 and implament transferable purchases. Switch Online is an awful replacement (doesn't help it's the only LEGAL one at that). Retro games and subscription services that don't give you the option for individual purchases really don't work together. Not to mention Nintendo has become even less caring to preserve their old games; especially if the fiasco surrounding the Mario 3D Collection is anything to indicate. No to mention that expansion pack is overpriced to oblivion. Also, Nintendo still showed the 3DS some support in 2017.

[@karlthorkildson4650]

WiiU died in 2017, but 3DS didn't die until early 2019 in terms of major software. Though in terms of Yokai Watch 3 or Persona Q2, those were English translations of games that came out in Japan a while before that. And there was also a port of a Kirby Wii game.

[@timelymirror7826]

I mean the DS still got games after the 3ds released and same for the DS gba games were still being made

[@Hanz_M]

..what's with the "derp-idation?" Are handheld games really not _that_ much your style?

[@GD_Zimmeh]

Yeah, no doubt this will happen to the switch eventually. When that day comes, I’ll finally homebrew it.

[@rockinggamerdude]

I don’t think they will but I just want them to open Splatoon one servers back up

[@fhjunior6183]

Thanks for the vid

[@hasanelrabih283]

2:54 Bald Mario???

[@phorchybug3286]

The Wii U has turned 10 today. eShop years are rough, huh?

[@ChrisStoneinator]

Say what you want, but the fact that Nintendo were legally obliged to end their distribution, although it’s a cute excuse, isn’t the brilliant defence of digital monopoly distribution that some kids think it is. I’m still never giving the company money for anything ever again. I’ll just file this under the “incompetence” or “negligence” column instead of the “malice” column.