Why the "BEST" Suspension EUC Needs More Work: Begode Master Owners TELL ALL

[@roghaj]

Hey Jimmy and Andrew! Thanks for making me part of your video. Below are a couple of things I have done since we last spoke. I have since added a new suspension linkage that lets me air up without doing any funny business. I also added additional tail lights that tied into the main board of the unit and have functional blinkers and brake light. As far as the suspension goes, I have added a volume reducer inside the shock to create more progressive feedback. This lets me run less air pressure and still not bottom out constantly. I have also removed the trolley handle from the wheel. There are no more creeks or clanks. I took the street tire off and installed a Kenda Knobby that was taken off of a Sherman Maxx.

[@JoachimVesely]

Hey Roger, lots of great info. A couple of us are wondering about the shock being pumped to to such a high PSI, since on paper it seems to only support up to 300. Any input on that? Cheers!

[@roghaj]

@@JoachimVesely it officially supports 350psi. We aren’t using the full stroke of the shock. That means the maximum internal pressure isn’t hitting its max. I estimated 400psi is safe for a partial stroke.

[@JoachimVesely]

@@roghaj Thanks!

[@doubleSGtrouble]

Anybody try kenda 262? Hows cornering compare to cst?

[@roghaj]

@@doubleSGtrouble That’s exactly the tire I am running now and I prefer it. I think you can get used to the CST, but the miles I put on the sherman made it a no brainer for me.

[@supercurioTube]

Awesome you're highlighting Roger here! His Master mods are next level, and probably represent how the wheel should be from the factory.

[@ThaBlackCobra]

Love hearing what master owners had to say so that I know what to expect when I get mine. Thanks Jimmy and thanks to both Roger and law as well

[@MittensFPV]

Roger is an amazing rider! So awesome to see him on the channel

[@MV-ld4wl]

Roger just put the Master on the trunk of his car on the way to a ride and the tail lights broke! Wow! That just shows you the quality of this product. I switched back my pre-order to the S22 for now. I don't understand why it should be up to the consumer to fix the quality of their product.

[@Volfas]

Does it cost you to cancel your preorders?

[@NahBra_EUC]

Your vids are so well thought out. I really enjoy them! I just placed my order for my Master with Molicel battery because of your informational piece on those battery systems for an EUC specifically. That was the only info that I could find regarding Moli on an EUC. Would love to ride with you guys some time.

[@ZenLee]

very informative, cool to see all the different setups, lots you can do with the wheel!

[@Dangasaur]

I'd love to see a pre-launch vs. post-launch wheel comparison of the master when these hit the US in the next couple months. Many of the people with pre-orders (like myself) expect some additional polish because that is what has been promised from Begode. I think that EUC influencers are operating in an ecosystem of prototype and pre-mass-production wheels which creates experiences that are not necessarily representative of what future owners encounter.

[@SectoRus]

Great job, will know what to buy when my master arrives... 👍🏻

[@mikeintampa250]

Hi Jimmy great point and analogy to our youth via modding our first cars.

[@ratmanmurray7137]

Great video guys... I would like to see manufacturers recognise that Some people want a wheel they can buy and ride on arrival... and other riders (more experienced) will throw half of the junk off it and fit aftermarket things to make it how they want it. I would like to be able to buy an EUC 'kit' which is the wheel but with NO TIRE FITTED... just the wheel in place with the bolts in place finger tight.... NO FOOTPLATES at all... NO PADS at all... NO SHOCK at all... NO HEADLIGHT at all (but a 3.5mm port like a Sherman has to fit your own light) as examples. Then, they should price the 'kit' to match. I have an MCM5, a Nikola plus and a Sherman... I have Chickway pedals on all... so 3 sets of stock pedals in a drawer, I have changed the tire on the MCM and Nikola, so two tires hanging on the wall ... I haven't used the stock pads on any of them, so I have drawers full of new unused cr@p pads... only the Sherman has a decent headlight etc. I would like to see the choice for experienced riders to be able to order the 'bare bones machine' at say $800 less than the complete machine... then order the pedals they want (or have them already)... the shock they think best...the tire they want... their favorite pads etc etc and when the machine arrives, open it up, fit the tire of their choice then tighten everything to spec (with loctite) and so on. Another good thing for the manufacturers, is that the buyer has had a hand in the construction of the machine, so in legal challenges, they are somewat protected from litigation because they sold a kit that needed completion... not a wheel in it's entirety. I come from a flying background where experimental aircraft have to be sold as kits, so the buyer has to do 51% of the 'putting together' of the machine for just this reason. Also, with EUCs, at least buyers wanting the kit, rather than a complete wheel... don't end up with more and more cr@p stock parts clogging up their house... eacch of the parts having cost in the initial purchase and will never be used.

[@MitchG]

Master owner here. I dont agree with this video because it portrays the master as a wheel that must be modified in order to ride it. In reality, the riders in this video are rare and not your average euc rider. These guys have probably modified every wheel they have owned in order to fit their extreme riding style. The only thing I have done to my master is swap out the side pads, swap the tire, and ride it for 500+ km. The master is the best wheel ive ever owned. I prefer the smooth plush suspension and would only modify it if I were only using the wheel for 6ft jumps and drops, instead I use it for flow trail riding and commuting to work.

[@freshlycharged]

I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for sharing.

[@Monowheelmelody]

Great reviews of Roger and Law's mods.

[@bdizzle501]

I live in vegas. You should have come by! Thanks for the awesome video once again

[@todd6888]

Best is to wait for 3rd batch or later to buy. They will work out a few of the issues and by then there are amazing 3rd party mods available that you can buy from other riders. Let the people with money surpluses find the issues with the wheel and make the fixes.

[@Ian1329]

Unfortunately this is the cheapest option, yes. But what to ride in the meantime?

[@todd6888]

@@Ian1329 It is “a” cheap option but more importantly a smart option. If it’s your very first wheel you shouldn’t be buying it in the first place and if it’s adding to your collection, ride you other wheels? Having bragging rites on buying into the first batch does what?! 🤣

[@FlyboyEUC]

I've got a video in the works of 10+ mods for the Master that I've implemented. I hope to get the video out in the next couple weeks.

[@FrenchUsaEUC]

Thanks Jimmy, since my upgrade with CP fairings and pads. it is much more fun wheel. Getting new tire too!

[@UStride]

Great video. Thanks for tire info law

[@freshlycharged]

Law's the best!

[@UStride]

@@freshlycharged one of the best for sure. Because of him I got into pads. Well custom pads to be specific, I still don't like manufactured pads for some reason

[@DonovanWert]

When I get a master I’m gonna Clark it out!! Thanks brother!!🙏

[@freshlycharged]

Any time!

[@JessePike5]

learned I need that pump if I'm getting a suspension wheel

[@RCDevotee]

Thanks Andrew and Jimmy! I will be getting the Clark Pads fairings for mine. In addition, Christopher Clark (i.e. Clarkpads) is a friend of mine and he is working on an upgrade to the top portion of the Master. It is made out of a tougher material than the foam stock top. I also have some Clark Pads sitting around that I will add to the setup. I am gonna keep the stock shock and tire initially and see how they work. I am definitely gonna pick-up one of the better pumps as I know the stock one is garbage. Now, I can only hope the Master comes into stock soon. I don't want to try and get one overseas as I can wait it out with my EX.N. I also want to support a local retailer.

[@flashyflash7152]

I've tried the stock tire at the shop, that thing is terrible. I wouldn't even buy the wheel unless the shop has a tire to swap out of the box (which I pray they will).

[@codefendant]

Great work on the circkles buddy you put a circle almost everwhere too

[@Er1z0ne]

I think it's funny to mention a premium wheel and customizing when the most expensive wheel on the market is known for being the most customized - the shermax.

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

No suspension, 100.8v c'mon bro.

[@Sam-zy5ck]

Nice vid man. It would have been good to also get an idea of the upgrade costs for them.

[@Obi_Wanwheel]

You had me when comparing mods to a wheel with mods on a car. You could say the same for the OW GT, or street bikes, or…. Thanks for this.

[@honeyhahn]

It would be nice to have a manufacturer with this much passion in riding the EUC and this much knowledge in what an EUC rider needs. King Song and Inmotion seem to do a much better job at hearing riders and making upgrades so far.

[@noelleonard2498]

If you like faceplants and low power

[@Chimmmichanga]

My F8 has grip tape pedals, but I use construction boots that roofers use to walk on shingles and the grip is very strong. I can easily also reposition my foot any time. I just got the nikola plus and it came with spike pedals. Im still trying to get used it lol.

[@peterthomson6161]

Some tri flow on the bushings will take care of the creek.

[@frederickoparah1669]

I knew these upgrades would be required. Only the rider know how they ride, however if you buy a master I would say that you are likely to push the wheel and ride fast, in this case you should do all the upgrades, pads, tire, and suspension.

[@Rocksaplenty]

shouldn't it come with those tho

[@frederickoparah1669]

@@Rocksaplenty I would argue yes, aside from pads and pedals because this is really a personal preference.

[@tomtu550]

Is Law rolling strapped with those holsters? 😳

[@WillofNewZealand]

Id perfer street tyre were option. Very impressive.

[@firstlast9813]

If you had to choose a daily rider for a year, are you picking a Master or the K4,5,6

[@freshlycharged]

EUC, hands down. Way more versatile.

[@ThaBlackCobra]

Jimmy what was that shock that Roger put on his master?

[@roghaj]

I am big on getting good bang for my buck. I bought one from somebody that pulled it off of a new mountain bike. It is the Fox DPS EVOL shock. Get 200mm eye to eye or more. The gold one is supposed to be smoother. I paid $200. Retail is $450 I think.

[@WILSONsHobbies]

@@roghaj Hi thank you for taking the time to talk about your upgrades in the video. Did you end up needing a new linkage for this shock? The shock linked in the description is this the correct one? Thanks! Do you have video on your channel for shock install ?

[@markricharddavies]

It’s still not clear what exact shock we need to replace the stock one with. Let’s have a link or a part number on what to buy? We know all about pads, fairings,plates and tires. Thanks!

[@austieoutdoors9763]

hey jimmy were can i get some of them allan keys set what i seen on ginger on wheels because them shit ones you get with your scooter as near rounded a screw on my loverly NEW scooter so can i get some off you please. oh and great video

[@firstlast9813]

I feel broke. I just use the Kenda street tire from China. How would you compare it to other tires?

[@FernandoMartinez-jl3us]

You can get this at a store in Vegas?

[@Roskellan]

360 PSI is too much for that shock (300max), I wonder if it might be better to put a coil over shock in there with a higher weight spring say 500lb. The street tire looks good but they are available with different aspect ratio. Was this IRC NR77 (70/90-14 Tube Type) Section width 70mm, Aspect ratio 90

[@JoachimVesely]

It is not the stock shock.

[@Roskellan]

@@JoachimVesely OK, but the FOX maxs at 300 as well, I think.

[@JoachimVesely]

@@Roskellan fair. Maybe he will chime in on this point.

[@94e88]

The type of shock he is running(float dps evolv LV factory 3pos) is rated for 350 by fox, yeah, he is running it a little too hot but that shouldn't be a problem, it's a quality shock.

[@Roskellan]

@@94e88 OK fair enough, but that cant be good can it?

[@NemoEUC]

looks promising, its just not ready out of the box. Hopefully after a few iterations and improvements, it will be an amazing wheel.

[@BigORider]

What’s the shoulder holster for? Phone/wallet?

[@pawelkolaska1398]

The pump that is linked only pumps up to 300 PSI according to the description, how did Roger manage to pump the suspension up to 390 PSI ?

[@sushiadventures4595]

c'est dit dans là vidéo !!! pompe Rock Shoks montant a 600psi pour 20 dollars

[@Astimar.]

I see so many people crash these things because they ignore the beeps and keep on pushing forward - Which seems odd as the entire point of the beeps is "hey, slow down" -- Do you think that the "EUCs = Death Traps" reputation comes from this specific behavior, or are they all around unstable or unsafe?? If purchased an EUC and just outright never rode through the beeps and always listened to the machine no matter what, is it then a "safe" way to travel?

[@roghaj]

I calibrate my PWM and use that to figure out what is “Safe”

[@Gideon-300]

Yep they are very safe. I have 4000 zero cutout miles on a sherman v2. I never ignore or push past the beeps. The only time i crashed was me hitting a deep pothole at 35 mph.

[@WillofNewZealand]

Ive fallen less than my bicycle. The cut out thing is a code choice riders make. Some wheels you can disable safety tilt back. Some wheels almost dont cut out. Z10 for example i can go fast then at 45kph it beeps. I sometimes go faster. It double beeps. I sometimes go faster. Its beeping its head off and pedals go mushy and unstable. I sometimes go faster. Its beeeeeeping like crazy. Its unstable and cant keep up. Then the good code that can just be typed in by a person has a story with a better plot twist at the end than the other drama wheels. The wheel tilts me back. I get slowed down a bit. I live. Thats a better story than other coders write. How many riders ask for more tilt back options? Not enough in my opinion. Usually we hear some new wheel cut out but no mention of wether the safety tiltback was off. Or than we should be wanting more tiltback options. If wheel cant go faster then tilt me back. See how it sounds like it makes sence. Rather than if you cant go faster then The end. Cut off. Crash. Sherman has safety tiltback to 58kph. Or turn it off and cut out at 84kph maybe. Z10 had tiltback at 45 to 50kph. Its worked every time for me so far. Yes i know about the z10 58kph mod. So not all wheels just cut out. if just zipping about then tilt back when low power is common on wheels. Pays to study up a bit cause theres a culture of not speaking of tilt back much. Strange but no wonder its still a thing if its not the feature to save you with more tilt back options. I find its quite safe if im not being a fool. Low hanging front mud guard my first fall. Trying to jump up a big curb next fall. Sank in very deep mud and splat fell down not even walking speed. Else lots of fun. Wind in face.

[@MrDinochiken]

Hi! Is this IRC nr77 70/90 or 80/90?

[@Euc_spirit]

This is what you get for the price it has. Period.

[@mcfly_ev]

The CST is an awful tire, great call changing it out. Also did Roger say he hits double black trails on the Pilot Street 2? Interesting.

[@roghaj]

Single black

[@roghaj]

Tried a double or 2 and got my butt kicked

[@mcfly_ev]

That’s awesome man!

[@mcfly_ev]

@@roghaj any leads on where to get the tire? They are sold out everywhere.

[@roghaj]

@@mcfly_ev had that on the shelf for 6 months. Don’t know now.

[@splyce0117]

Shinobu 244 which one. What size do I look for. Or can you send me link for tire. Thx

[@mexicanbatman666]

Is this for real, this poorly designed wheel needs a shock you can’t pump up without disassembly, then to be pumped to a pressure exceeding the maximum rated pressure of the shock And it still sounds like chucking a toolbox down a stair case Then you need $500 worth of pads and bumpers etc

[@Jimmy-ry1sc]

I agree that most riders will modify their rides regardless of how "perfect" they are out of the box. My question is why is so little attention paid to the video I saw showing a high speed Master crash (shut down) on 60% battery. Yes, the beeps were there. However, at speed with my helmet on and paying attention to where I'm going, beeps are hard or impossible to hear. Any EUC that only beeps and can cut out at 60% battery should not even be sold. I saw a post today wondering why the U.S. is not on the inventive edge in EUC's? Easy one: no U.S. EUC company would make it past the first year without getting sued into oblivion.

[@icebreaka1969]

just placed order on the Begode Master today, Does anyone know what tire he is using ?

[@noelleonard2498]

Where you order from?

[@bordapatrol4930]

I like Law's "I'd like to risk my life every time I show an officer ID" wallet set up

[@legyroquoi]

I tried a préproduction version and the first 5 minutes I thought,wow, there's speed and power and suspension is perfe...what? A small pothole and I bottom out? What again? The side pads are torn, along with the taillight? And after watching video reviews about the crappy wiring, the dangerous batteries, this wheel is a total garbage. Yeah you said "it's like when we had cars and modify them" , yes but you didn't buy a Indian car . The base was good. What the master has to offer appart that weird 134v novelty?

[@jltplease]

Let's see if Begode does anything stock with what the modders did

[@famthelam]

Blade x eco rage test

[@Chimmmichanga]

My new Nikola plus I got last week started having vibrations when I go over 30 mph and it feels like a clogging. When I got home from work with it, I could hear like a loud fan that didn't sound smooth. I waited for a little bit and it wouldn't stop so I turned it off and turned it back on. The sound stopped but it said "DEAD". I turned it on and off several times and it only said "DEAD" 3 TIMES. Those anyone knows what is going on? I also got from ewheels with no manual so I spent some time just trying to figure out how to unlock it doing research.

[@coverup7428]

Just be grateful when the FucR arrives,they’re taking the piss with these delivery times.

[@doubleSGtrouble]

Anybody try kenda 262? Hows cornering compared to cst?

[@mr_wrongway]

Recording next to a stroad, wow that’s so loud

[@superfly99206]

Like any toy or hobby of the money is available then tinkering is part of the experience. Otherwise hoping that the purchase is what a person is expecting, there will always be disappointments

[@Kay0Bot]

All suspension wheels require mods and tweaks to get it to feel right for the rider

[@rashie]

👍👍

[@jtm94]

The problem is the shock geometry not the shock itself. If you properly change the geometry the stock shock performs the way it should. This wheel needs some revisions for me to consider it.

[@jackolbean4765]

in other words, he doesn't like suspension

[@joseleonjr9939]

Bonita

[@overthetarget9401]

Roger kinda sounds like Dave Chapelle.

[@firstlast9813]

That shock is far from $20 on Amazon

[@rayrous8229]

It's not expensive any more! I just got one for 2200. That's less than I paid for my MSX.

[@pacochawa2746]

I dont rhink thats the right question. Do you have the money to uograde it lol.

[@FinnBjerke]

Ill wait for Inmotion V13, begode (called "Bugatti" somewhere in the subtexts....tis a laff really) have too much sluggishness about them. Begode in a way is a bit like USA the best and the worst in one package. ....

[@legyroquoi]

Hahaha excellent. Yes exactly. They have the power,and enough "faith" to make like all the crap doesn't exist ! 🤣

[@LoLErMan13]

You need more work putting out more quality videos, good sir.

[@omidel.]

They should make this as an ultimate machine...but they failed same as a kingong...please Begode learn from all those advices and change it to be better or.best

[@LR11Gaming]

yeah for those who dont like to tinker, there are no wheels for you anymore

[@chrisogrady28]

Hero > Master imo

[@CrossroadWater]

You shouldn't have to spend an additional $500 in mods to make a $3k + toy work. Not terribly impressed, Begode needs to step it up or someone else likely will.

[@arcrides6841]

I'm waiting for veteran to make a suspension wheel

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Yeah, I have no interest in the master...

[@Bkackhole-Deathstar]

no way , Get and s22 and u have a better wheel PERIOD-- SAFER AND IN MOST WAYS BETTER --

[@noelleonard2498]

😄😄

[@HungrySpinz]

A wheel that costs 3k needs so many things to be great, ridiculous

[@erikstombaugh1688]

hey Jimmy Chang I think you have a scammer using your info. could you please contact me. if it's not a scammer or is. I'd like to talk to you.

[@noelleonard2498]

On KZbin? No way 😅