Why The Boeing 737 Max Is Flying Again

After two deadly crashes that killed 346 people and a worldwide grounding that lasted almost two years, the FAA is giving the Boeing 737 Max jets the green light to fly again. However, many are worried that the changes to the plane are not enough. Can the U.S. trust the revisions made to the jet and the software updates to the MCAS system?
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Why The Boeing 737 Max Is Flying Again

[@sudarshan3965]

All the board members should fly first

[@TheOneMusketeer]

They probably have

[@mahindeshmukh5069]

they did uniteds ceo and americans ceo were the first passengers

[@panzer_TZ]

People seem to forget that this plane had been flying hundreds of thousands of successful flights already. Even with the MAX's safety record, you still be more likely die on your drive to the airport. Give how scrutinized this air frame is now, it will probably be the safest plane in the sky. The standards for aircraft are way higher than any other form of transportation. I feel for the victim's family and they are right to be mad, but they are being a bit hyperbolic.

[@blueridgegarage]

Yes they should... for about one year

[@starwing0]

@@panzer_TZ because the trust is not there anymore. The lied about a lot of stuff. The airlines and pilots were told the flight characteristics were the same as previous 737 and no additional training were required.

[@dannyornelas9914]

CNBC is in Wendover territory

[@bearmugs1408]

Agreed Sam won't be happy when he realises CNBC have already made his video

[@ilyasovich]

But with no Corollas for scale 😁

[@radudeATL]

Hello!

[@goldendemise3165]

@Airbus A220-300 nope iys not old

[@ScottRothsroth0616]

@Airbus A220-300 I like that your name is “Airbus A220-300” yet your profile picture is of an “Airbus A380-800”.

[@mvuseleloseansean4216]

MCAS: Money Comes Aboves Safety 😏

[@Booboobear-eo4es]

MCAS = Might Crash Any Second.

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@Booboobear-eo4es exactly

[@airplanenerd1030]

@@kirilmihaylov1934 is Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@airplanenerd1030 I know what it means

[@aoki7799]

@@airplanenerd1030 its a joke lmao

[@williamnale7835]

Just watched the Netflix documentary about Boeing (Downfall: The case against Boeing) and my biggest takeaway was GREED caused the downfall of this once great company and GREED is driving their current decisions. From what I read elsewhere in the past is the FAA got way too cozy with Boeing and allowed them to self-certify aircraft. They share in the blame by not being the advocates for public safety as they should be. This is their only reason to exist.

[@ethelolaotse8920]

I said the exact same thing while watching today.

[@mi3helle707]

This one

[@Matheusfk3]

Pretty acurate. I just think that the documentary failed to show what Boeing, together with regulators, did to get the airplane flying (safely) again, which was to add another angle of attack sensor, on the opposite side of the nose, uptade the software so that if the sensors disagreee, MCAS will NOT engage, if the sensors agree that the angle of attack is high, MCAS will engange only ONCE and can easily get overwritten by the pilot. In case of divergent information from the sensors, the standard operating procedure is to declare and emergency and divert to the nearest airport. Given this information, maybe the public wouldn't feel so uncomfortable with the plane.

[@dahawk8574]

Downfall covered only HALF the story.

[@maman89]

Its doesn't take a philosopher to come to the conclusion that almost every segment of Ameica has been corrupted by greed. Healthcare, policing, heck you guys even manage to corrupt the food system. Even as an 14 year old watch the news it was easy to see the iraqi war was mostly about oil. Whats amazing is how everybody seems to be okay with the practice of lobbying in the white house. Conflict of interest anyone ?

[@lu4414]

Engineering and test pilots warned about the MCAS. FAA and Boeing just ignored this concerns. This wasn't accident, this was criminal.

[@JordanLewisFamily]

Because you could turn it off with a switch. The mistake was overestimating pilot skill during take off.

[@lo3769]

Yeah, the real question is did heads roll at the FAA? Did they replace the extremely corrupt and profits-over-safety management that let this knowingly happen? Probably not. I'm willing to bet these people are still employed and will retire with millions in bonus packages for "all the money they saved".

[@briantitchener4829]

@@JordanLewisFamily Pilots could NOT turn it off. THAT was the mistake. Pilots weren't even told about MCAS. It malfunctioned and caused 2 fatal crashes.

[@JordanLewisFamily]

@@briantitchener4829 they could turn off Elevator stabilizer trim control. Failing MCAS caused runaway trim. Pilots are trained to deal with runaway trim. BUT Boeing's mess up is thinking pilots could deal with this during takeoff. Not all could.

[@haught7576]

@@JordanLewisFamily because they weren’t trained or informed of it. How can you speak with that boot so deep in your throat?

[@Sankrityayan07]

Why do people still listen to Kramer? That guy has been wrong so many times

[@shastaweston]

Kramer is a nut job, he's a hypocrite and terribly predicts stock prices

[@erikpienk]

everyone has been wrong so many times.... humans arent perfect and people will forget and why on any plane as long as it does it safely

[@Jack3md]

Lol like any of you make better stock predictions

[@Sankrityayan07]

That’s the point- No one can predict with 100% accuracy, but Kramer says it as if he knows notwithstanding the fact he has ruined people with his advice.

[@shaneviola8848]

@@Jack3md I yolod all my money on tesla in 2016. I have lots of tendies now

[@ajesbayes9057]

"most scrutinized airplane in history" the DC-10 would like to have a chat with you

[@electricheartpony]

I don't think the DC-10 has more scrutiny. It had quite a bit though.

[@Magiktcup]

De Havilland Comet has left the chat

[@legolas-xu6ou]

Yeah, DC 10 had a ton of scrutiny, but it eventually became a safe and reliable plane. Let's hope the max has a similar future

[@ajesbayes9057]

@@legolas-xu6ou honestly yeah

[@Angelum_Band]

You can't compare the DC10 to this video game airplane.

[@jasonjonathan78]

Larger engines raised above the wing line caused instability that they attempted to mitigate with software. It didn't work. Now it's new software. The engineering flaw still exists.

[@PilotUnknownX]

Okay, and?

[@jasonjonathan78]

And it's still an inherently flawed design with potential for failure. Hot garbage. Courtesy of Boeing.

[@jasonjonathan78]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPXpn6fnt-hqbs

[@jrcadventures2905]

Buuuut.. they still fixed it

[@jasonjonathan78]

@@jrcadventures2905 buuuut it's not "fixed". they put a revised bandage on it. the engineering flaw remains. hopefully the bandage works like it's supposed to. but the plane is still broken without it.

[@ThePowerofJames]

"Boeing is getting clearance to fly its 737 Max" opens the video with an Embraer E-Series lol

[@s4aragon]

Whenever anyone does a video on the F-22 they show the F-35 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ScottRothsroth0616]

At timestamp 0:05 is actually a 737 Max.

[@shayanhasan2254]

Always happen their video on air blue was taking about their a320s and they showed a Singapore a350

[@royhsieh4307]

thats a reminder of a better alternative.

[@cee8226]

Yeah I saw this review from James Asquith about 737 MAX first class... apparently they just added a thin sheet of plastic to separate the economy hahahah it's funny, you should watch it!

[@obroni]

737 MAX before COVID - Flying Coffin 737 MAX after COVID - Flying Coughing

[@mitko456]

😂

[@animepabu5526]

Underrated comment right here lolol

[@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689]

Best comment lol

[@cuttight]

It's Covid's back up plan. For those who're still alive and still have money for a flight after the 7th wave is over.

[@radudeATL]

We see what you did there.

[@oceanle]

When someone said “can never happen” typically happens.

[@lingth]

thats what they said about the Titanic. can never sink.

[@bieterdohlen8764]

@@lingth Or the K141. They said it will never sinks, 10 years later it sank.

[@oceanle]

Tse Hong Ling and Chernolby

[@whatchamacallit70]

Exactly like the Titanic the “Unsinkable Ship”

[@howmathematicianscreatemat9226]

Exactly, it’s a subtle expression of self-doubt.

[@beback_]

I still can't believe there weren't redundant sensors in there to begin with. This is literally engineering safety 101.

[@nstl440]

Yes everything they did is somehow understandable. In the sense that I understand that they did it because they could and no one would know. But relying on one sensor... what were they thinking. Engineers must have said something but it got lost due to procedures or management

[@AnimMouse]

It's the airlines that decide to opt for one sensor. Other airlines uses two sensors.

[@firstname5556]

@@AnimMouse You should not let airlines do that in the first place, safety features should be necessary, not a la carte. You don't go to a car shop and says "Please remove the seatbelts, since less seat belts means less money spent". What is next if airlines asked to remove all the sensors?

[@AnimMouse]

@@firstname5556 It's more like: go to the car shop and says "Please replace the 5 point seat belt with 3 point seat belt, since 3 point seat belts is cheaper." "What is next if airlines asked to remove all the sensors?" This is where your analogy about removing seat belts applies. That is why no airlines done that.

[@firstname5556]

@Anim Mouse • Simple, if Boeing think it is not safe to have just one AOA sensor they should have never manufactured any max with just one AOA sensor. Can't believe i am replying to a donut.

[@JaySee5]

Half this video is explaining why the plane was grounded instead of the actual topic and there aren't even timestamps to skip ahead.

[@kattiepenn]

JaySee5 exactly, misleading title.

[@Ourlier]

I'm heading over to mentor pilots channel

[@criticRN]

Yes - it’s annoying! The 5th estate did a great piece on grounding the 737 Max.

[@Sweetteawillie]

They are still running a hit piece... MCAS is not a stall prevention system, as the narrator claims.

[@PashaGamingYT]

That's an important thing to know...

[@Themah111]

All of Boeing's Executive Management Team and the Board of Directors should fly on all versions of the 737-MAX before it is certified to fly again.

[@williamhaynes7089]

Some execs already have...

[@AntonioSantos-mf6zg]

They flew. Some with their children.

[@christerry1773]

Umm they literally have.

[@bluemoonman2726]

Its way safer than driving even before the mcas fix. The 737 is the safest aircraft in history next to the 747-400 with 0.06 crashes per million flights

[@goclunker]

@@bluemoonman2726 yeah sorry. My car doesn’t steer into a tree by itself unlike the max which pitches its nose into a dive for 10 seconds and then repeats it 5 seconds later🤷🏻‍♂️

[@allanregista4422]

Q: Why Boeing 7737 max flying again? A: money.

[@user-os7kz3jy5c]

A: beacause it’s now a good plane

[@allanregista4422]

@@user-os7kz3jy5c so it once "was" a bad one.. 😂

[@3204clivesinclair]

@@user-os7kz3jy5c So imply the old version was a bad aircraft. Why did the FAA allow certification? $$$$$ and ex Boeing people working in the FAA, that’s how.

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@3204clivesinclair yep. Boeing gonna lose lot of money if these planes don't return in service

[@beau4690]

@@kirilmihaylov1934 no airlines going to lose alot of money

[@tianamichael]

They need to change its name before being trusted by people. Even hearing the word "Max" is scary now, it sounds like maximum deaths or maximum crashes.

[@kaka3661able]

Or Max payne

[@beau4690]

The media blew it up

[@DestroyerOfLiberals]

737 Deathliner

[@redtailarts101]

Absolutely not. Changing the name is a dishonest trick to get people who don't want to board the plane to do so without knowing it.

[@7MonarC]

Hbo max should too

[@JGtheefreemind]

They don't have money to spend 1.8 billion on,whats essentially the safety of the people but they got 700 billion to bail out the banks?

[@donnyhh313]

That was my first thought. Sheesh

[@Stone_624]

"The Government Just Can't afford 1.8 Billion to let the FAA do it's job . Not with the 3,300 Billion deficit this year and all."

[@JGtheefreemind]

@@Stone_624 we've been at a deficit for decades so throw that argument out the window

[@sanbruno3606]

PROSPERITY BONANZA

[@03jalapenos]

They mention the other piece of the puzzle: high demand for experts in this field makes it unlikely that the FAA can recruit the people it needs even with the 1.8B. Most people will prefer to work in a position where you design or make something new, rather than checking over someone else's work

[@TheAriebudhiw]

Ah yess, new software update. A solution to engineering problem.

[@williamhaynes7089]

the engineering problem was engines worked too good, climbed more than previous models... MCAS was only there to give the feal of older models... can fly fine w/o it with a properly trained pilot

[@criticRN]

@@williamhaynes7089 perhaps.. but it really needed a complete redesign with increased ground clearance.. MCAS is a patch job

[@picturetaker3997]

William Haynes They never worked better but unbalanced the plane.

[@saturn_v3362]

Ok, the software patched mcas, the thing that could move th he horizontal stabilizer, also your thinking of fly by cable when you said it's just there to give the feel of older models

[@kirilmihaylov1934]

@@criticRN exactly right. And Boeing keep doing it.

[@RichJalipa]

I'm here after watching a Netflix documentary about Boeing, Downfall: The case against Boeing. I won't board 737 Max anytime again.

[@osomnm431]

I won’t board boing at all. Boycott boining

[@johnchristmas7522]

Just remember, 3/4 of that management team around the MAX are STILL at Boeing, building the "Dreamliner"

[@laqueenawilliams4762]

Another 737 crash in China just now.

[@anetamew]

boeing is about money, no safety

[@saandyy900]

@@laqueenawilliams4762 not a MAX though

[@stonefacedmedusa5542]

What is baffling is that their test pilots faced the same issue, but they were able to control the plane because they knew about the Mcas system

[@pickavana8056]

their test pilot described mcas as catastrophic and was unable to control the plane.

[@shastaweston]

Someone said in the comment: MCAS=MightCrashAnySecond Lol

[@nickolliver3021]

yeah that's just a joke lol wont happen tho

[@shastaweston]

@@nickolliver3021 *happens*

[@dominykaszemaitis9048]

@@shastaweston stop talking this crap. Tou don't know anything but MCAS and are just saying that. Don't you understand that 737 MAX 8 is the safiest plane on earth? If no, then....

[@rogerfaint499]

@@dominykaszemaitis9048 Recent crashes didn't show that Boeing is the safest and on the contrary, showed that it is one of the most unsafe!

[@dan-fy2ek]

@@dominykaszemaitis9048 safiest lmaoo. No it’s not the safest plane in the world

[@harryfaner6088]

2020: "Max is now among the most analysed aircraft in history." 2009: "Lance Armstrong is most tested athlete in sports history."

[@ElloImNoodle]

Ra ra rasputin

[@johnchristmas7522]

The original 737 was a fine aircraft-the MAX may be the most analysed but the engineering flaw STILL EXISTS.

[@brettwiley8576]

I for one will be avoiding the MAX. Boeing has lost trust and their reputation

[@cee8226]

Yeah I saw this review from James Asquith about 737 MAX first class... apparently they just added a thin sheet of plastic to separate the economy hahahah it's funny, you should watch it!

[@nitroseven]

well im getting on 737 max for spring vacation..

[@aoimichi_]

@@nitroseven u alive?

[@aoimichi_]

I went on the 737 MAX, I could tell that the plane could go down any moment

[@randombutpro7547]

@@aoimichi_ How lucky do you feel alive?

[@ivan4122]

...."flying coffin", now that's one scary name.

[@beau4690]

@The Entertainer well the max its totally safe and you do know that ryanair never had a fatal accident

[@beau4690]

@The Entertainer neither , i just give people another look on the max, it’s just an airplane that had a flaw in it system , but now isprobably one of the safest

[@justicemitchell6544]

"FlYiNg CoFfiN" you can say that to every aircraft in existence.

[@DestroyerOfLiberals]

737 Deathliner

[@childish8469]

successful aircraft always like to bite at first.

[@gabrielebursi5509]

Why is there that weird Mac greenscreen thing? Just let the zoom call or what it is in fullscreen. That greenscreen effect is so bad done xD

[@joewilson7148]

The max is Not like other 737. They moved the engines in, closer to the fuselage.

[@angelgjr1999]

@@joewilson7148 Is that good or bad? I don’t trust Boeing anymore.

[@ethanchow9170]

Because they’re recording has terrible resolution

[@HamuelPter]

@@ethanchow9170 their*

[@rk.0423]

@@angelgjr1999 why do you not trust Boeing?

[@NaveenNT]

Only time will tell if the issue was completely fixed.

[@owenmeyer1305]

4 minutes in and I'm still not hearing "Why The Boeing 737 Max Is Flying Again" SMH

[@SubhanuBhattacharya]

It's CNBC. Scratching each others' backs is how they survive.

[@danelosullivan3408]

Boeing did nothing wrong, all but Chinese conspiracy

[@rams_r_champs]

@@danelosullivan3408 🤡🤡🤡

[@childish8469]

@@danelosullivan3408 how is it chinese if airlines around the world fly it and its an american built plane.

[@letsseeif]

Fill 'em with Politicians and see who flys.

[@garrettlods6537]

All of them will survive

[@childish8469]

@@garrettlods6537 yep.

[@lo3769]

And with the Boeing & FAA management...

[@weasdf8718]

They have boeing executives flew on them some with families

[@gorankovacevic673]

I remember that the Chinese were the first one to ground it, after everyone else followed.

[@Baz.007]

CNBC prefers to say Canada.

[@captainCaybrew]

The first individual airline to ground the plane was Cayman Airways and the first country was China

[@BankruptGreek]

@@Jaytip91 doesn't China have a competitor to Boeing or am I wrong?

[@williamhaynes7089]

@@BankruptGreek - COMAC

[@kattiepenn]

Goran Kovacevic correct but when they first did it, the western media all said they were wrong and it was their retaliation but then quickly other countries followed China, then finally the western media shut up. It is the same thing again when China banned US flights early this year due to the pandemic and we said it was unfair and accused them again saying it was some kind of retaliation, but quickly the Europe also banned US flight then we shut up.

[@tew6]

They showed a Embraer at the beginning 🤨

[@chesterwang3070]

lmao they sure did. They also showed a 757 or 767 cockpit @ 2:41. All I know is that is not a 737 MAX. It could even be a 737 Classic but I highly doubt it. Nobody trains in those now.

[@justin.w.06]

@@chesterwang3070 yeah its a 737 classic cockpit

[@zmaximilian]

Grounded again.

[@jalapeno_salsa]

I don't care if its safe or not, I don't have the confidence to board it, that's simply my opinion and if yours if different, no judgement

[@tahartigane1493]

2019 737 max grounded 2020 All planes grounded

[@childish8469]

cargo: bye have a great time

[@yuchengzang1664]

If I remember it right, the 737 maxes used larger engines and mounted them forwards. These changes altered 737 maxes envelope and made it hard (edited: harder, and are not as hard as fighters) to control, so they have to retro fit a computerized system to prevent it from operating out of the envelope. I don’t mind to having that system: most of the fighter jets will simply be “unflyable” without the similar system, but what makes me really angry is that Boeing was trying to cover it up.

[@ACPilot]

Not really, the MAX isn’t hard to control, but they had to make some solutions to make it behave close to the NG models.

[@yuchengzang1664]

@@ACPilot sorry, I mean "harder," not "hard hard"

[@Project2457official]

@@yuchengzang1664 Its not harder to control. Its that pilots were not RETRAINED for the plane, thus the new larger higher efficiency and performance engines changed the center of gravity and the center of mass. That causes the pilots to be flying the plane like it was a 737NG, while in reality it was actually a 737 MAX of course.

[@anirudhhhh]

The MCAS was receiving input from only one sensor. That is horrible design. Boeing management knew about the risks. They even openly mocked regulators. I hope regulators will do their due diligence from now on.

[@keiyakins]

@@Project2457official Boeing told airlines and pilots that it wasn't necessary, though. It's Boeing's fault.

[@3Dmodelheli]

I'm glad to hear after watching the video that customers are being told when booking their flight if they are going to be flying on a 737 max. I had this conversation with my dad 4 nites ago and told him if I turned up at the airport and was to fly on a 737 max I wouldn't be getting on. I personally will not be flying on a 737 max until they have stayed in the air for 3 to 4 years.

[@tommimetsapuro5382]

@@jellyfishi_ i want to fly to Sao Paulo and i called copa airlines and asked for flights and i knew some of their planes are MAX´s and i asked what plane i am flying and answer was Boeing 738 and my connection flight with Boeing 739 thats how they try not to say MAX

[@firstname5556]

The problem is many people do not even know what Boeing is or Airbus is, let alone what the 737 MAX is. All they know it is an aeroplane, so i'm fly on it.

[@jmtrad1906]

People will forget, sadly. Especially if is the cheaper option

[@aniruddhagujar9322]

I'm surprised no one is talking about the design flaw that is still present which crashed the aircraft. The engines are fixed slightly forward of the wings than before to fit the larger size of engines which leads to stalling of aircraft. No amount of software change is going to solve that unless the aircraft is lifted up slightly so that the engines could fit under the wings like on the 737NG. Afterall its a 50year old aircraft with new technology crying out loud for a new clean sheet design and not just some updates

[@FAsthaEkadiyanto]

Well...your car's engine has a flaw that cannot perform deceleration quick enough in case of emergency. Therefore they installs brakes. Your rear mirror cannot help you detect potential collision quickly enough, so they put rear parking sensors. These are all part of engineering. They are part of a system, and the most important thing is to ensure the system are robust, reliable and redundant so that no single point of failure or malfunction would cause a catastrophe.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Agree, but the McDonnell Douglas management at Boeing said it would be to costly -so they decided to build an unsafe aircraft.

[@keiyakins]

I mean, the 737 MAX isn't even that unstable without mcas. It was entirely to try to fake it into working without proper retraining for 737 NG pilots.

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

literally all the comments are about this

[@AhmedYouTube1]

That's what happens when short-sighted business managers think they can squeeze out more money with shoddy engineering and cutting corners. Not with aeroplanes!!!

[@saturn_v3362]

Ok, first, the plane was perfectly fine, nothing was shoddy, it went through every single country's testing, and it was that they wernt told how to turn MCAS off and weren't given sim training, which was perfectly fine, also on both cases, we found that the angle of attack indicators had broken, and that's what caused the crash

[@zulfikaraji]

@@saturn_v3362 it’s the design flaw. For the sake of more profit. Next, they try to fix it with MCAS. Make sure you get all the information (:

[@saturn_v3362]

@@zulfikaraji First, if it was just for profit, go attack Airbus too, they did the exact same thing as Boeing for not having to do extra training. Secondly, if the design had been changed even more, the 737 wouldn't handle the same way that pilots wanted it to feel, nor could it fulfill its original purpose, to operate at lower infrastructure airports. Also mcas ain't new. Get your make sure you get your imformation first before telling people who have read the crash reports twice to get their information.

[@zulfikaraji]

@@saturn_v3362 Try that again (: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmPXpn6fnt-hqbs&ab_channel=Vox

[@AMERICANPATRIOT1945]

Ahmed, The battle between STEM professionals and business leaders is constant. Doctors are constantly being overridden by insurance company executives with oftentimes tragic consequences for patients. Private equity firms have forced themselves into healthcare by purchasing large numbers of hospitals and then bending the laws, violating the law, or bribing politicians to change the law to allow those private equity firms to violate patients' rights. NASA lost two space shuttle to managerial malfeasance. In 1986, the Challenger blew up shortly after launch. The explosion was caused by an o-ring seal on a booster which failed due to cold weather at the time of the launch. One of the engineers in charge of designing the seals warned management no to launch but he was ignored by business leaders who knew nothing of the danger, or chose to ignore the warnings. The engineer was prevented from communicating with the right people to abort the launch until warmer weather arrived. The world is filled with know it alls who know little or nothing but who occupy high places. Those arrogant know it alls are not held responsible when they force a bad choice upon a STEM professional. Those leaders have the system rigged to enable them to boss other around and to blame others for their mistakes. This must stop if we are to see an end to tragedies such as these two 737 MAX crashes. The MAX is a good airplane. It flew for thousands of flights before these two crashes. The real problem was with a lack of pilot training so the pilots would know about how to deactivate AMCAS if it acted up, and reliance on AMCAS with only two AOA sensors, instead of having a redundant backup as well to aid the computer in authenticating the AOA indicator readings. At least one Airbus crashed into the Atlantic due to a problem with a similar system. Two more Airbuses had near crashes over the Pacific due to the same systems that brought down the first Airbus. The only thing that saved the two Airbuses over the Pacific was luck, altitude, and great piloting.

[@MeccaSpirit]

Redesigned lol. What happened to it has to be built from the board again, as the engines are placed too low.

[@JordanLewisFamily]

Flawed design... Yes. Major pilot failures.. yes.

[@Angelum_Band]

They are too big and heavy and throw the airplane out of balance. They know that and they tried to hide it.

[@FlyLeah]

@@JordanLewisFamily Can’t be pilot failure if boeing never even included the new material in the training. Company failure more

[@childish8469]

@@Angelum_Band funny how the engines are supposedly more powerful than any of its predecessors.

[@Angelum_Band]

@@childish8469 And that is yet another problem: at full power the location of these engines pull the nose up of the airplane into a stall.

[@smitajky]

The FAA failed us the first time. How could we trust them this second time. I would be more impressed if the European regulators had independently reached the same conclusion. If they simply take the FAA certification I wouldn't be confident at all in the plane. I doubt that I could ever be confident to fly on THIS plane in the future. It even retrospectively makes one suspicious of other 737 planes. How many shortcuts have been taken that haven't yet caused a catastrophe? Other industries must pay the costs of the required regulation. To say that we cannot afford the regulation is merely saying we are not charging the actual cost of the necessary regulation.

[@thegreatken2073]

Bruh my right ear is loving that background music

[@cuttight]

Once Boeing and the FAA went to bed together, and once they were both caught with their pants down, they knew they could only get out of this together. That's why I still do not trust either of them; they are still operating as a unit. I, for one, will actively avoid flying on the MAX even in cases where alternatives may be more expensive than a flight using the MAX. My peace of mind alone, as well as knowing I fly on a product not made by a company run by sociopaths, is worth the (unlikely) inconvenience of checking what planes an airline uses for my chosen flight. I'll fly on any of the MAX's safer, proven competitors and alternatives any day of the week. It's not as if people don't have a choice.

[@LentPanic7]

I wouldn’t mind flying in this plane if it came with an ejection seat.

[@ilynpayne7491]

With a parachute

[@staringcorgi6475]

They should list all of the new features on the manuals for pilots of new planes

[@anthonystar]

software is not going to change the fact engine positioning is an ever dangerous flaw

[@ChromeXuGames]

Trying to fix physics with electronics... It'll never work. They should just scrap this thing

[@justin.w.06]

@@ChromeXuGames Its their most sold plane, and airlines need them. they cant scrap it.

[@pierreuntel1970]

it's like selling a misaligned car frame that always tries to steer left while correcting it by making the computer steer a little bit more to the right

[@jacktheIV44]

Actually, all one really has to do to correct it is reduce engine thrust a bit sooner after takeoff and also a use bit more trim.

[@mitko456]

It still does make sense to me to consider avoiding 737 MAX. Also as a sign that we don’t accept patches and upgrades and “ups mea culpa” in airplanes. Do it right or don’t do it at all, we don’t care if it’s late or over budget. We now have a direct vote in that through (not)buying tickets for 737MAX.

[@nickolliver3021]

it doesn't matter and does not make sense to you to consider avoiding 737max. also not a sign that we do accept patches and upgrades and ups mea culpa in aeroplanes .they will do it right and will do it better this second time around we won't care if it's late or over budget. we don't have the direct vote in that not through buying tickets for 737max

[@cepivivadeo8387]

Today in my country Indonesia at January 09, 2021 a Boeing B737-500 Indonesian Sriwijaya air is lost contact in the north sea of jakarta The aircraft flight from capital city jakarta to pontianak city in borneo island and we're don't know what happened with the aircraft , Pray for Sriwijaya flight SRJ182

[@MuffinMcFluffin]

Mr. Tester: "I would walk before I was to get on a 737 Max." You're not living up to your name, sir!

[@youtube.youtube.01]

FAA defined that positive dynamic stability for an aircraft means two things: 1. In straight and level flight, the pilot can take their hands off (and autopilot controls off) and the aircraft continues straight and level flight. 2. In a flight that is not straight and level, the pilot can take their hands off (and autopilot controls off) and the aircraft recovers to straight and level flight by itself. I would like both the FAA and Boeing to declare that the Boeing 737 Max jets aren't limited by a narrow range of throttle settings to achieve positive dynamic stability.

[@UrbnXplr]

Ya, that's gonna be a no from me.

[@sunnydavies3990]

Let's be real if those flights were going from somewhere like London to NYC, these planes would never fly again.

[@g0ast]

Can the 737 MAX gain back public trust? After Boeing made those changes out of pure greed and refused to disclose significant system changes to pilots to prevent scaring away airlines from orders because of the added flight simulator and training necessary to learn the system, the real question is does Boeing deserve any public trust? It wasn't the aircraft that caused the crash, it was Boeing executives and engineers that did it. Never fly on a 737 MAX.

[@1mol831]

The engineers have warned the executives of the problem. The fault lies in the executive branch.

[@Mmmtruk]

ya switched my flight just now wouldn't eat at a mcdonalds that cuts corners on foodsafe regulations so wouldnt fly on a plane whos company cared about how fast that plane was made instead of listening to their engineers SO

[@johnchristmas7522]

People don't care what they fly on unless they are knowledgeable. for those who know, there is a travel Agent out there that will ensure your flight/flights are MAX free!!

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

Just avoid Boeing. Use Airbus.

[@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823]

@@johnchristmas7522 Travel agent...? Wut? It's all online. Who uses a travel agent? In fact, plane info is right there.

[@thesimpleeastern]

That last part is troubling.

[@TheWorldofSam]

Right! They already figured out a perfect way to deny responsibility for any future mishaps.

[@Stone_624]

Yes Yes Yes. The Aircraft is safe this time, For realz. Trust me bro. We just need to make sure all the 100's of different airlines who have been storing their aircraft in different environments for over 2 years do the proper maintenance on every single aircraft to get the plane back to the exact same operational standard. After about 4 months of flying (noting that every aircraft and every airline will have many many months of variability between when they start flying) It'll be back in it's regular maintenance routine and all will be good. Just have a little faith until 2022 at the earliest when that actually happens. Bro come on bro. You've been cooked up so long from covid you totally want a trip somewhere bro.

[@macbook802]

More people died on dc10's because of coronavirus, Boeing's record is almost saint like if you think about it

[@macbook802]

@老外艾迈德 no

[@erick_bst]

At this point I don't care wich plane I'm boarding as soon as I don't get stuck in a long layover between flights.

[@childish8469]

@Guido Bacala therers something called a budget.

[@flbyrne99]

Actually, it ain’t flying again. FAA grounded them again when a door fell off!

[@eyeofthetiger6002]

The only thing new about the 737max are the engines as the airframe design is over 50 years old!

[@McLaneFS]

That guy that says he’d walk before he got on a 737 is ridiculously overweight. He ain’t walking anywhere except to the refrigerator

[@youtoobization]

That just goes to show how much he hates the max. He was saying even though he doesn't like walking but he still would rather walk before he would fly in a max. Not sure how he would walk over the ocean though.

[@McLaneFS]

@@youtoobization 🤣 hitch a ride with them there aliens. They seem to fly pretty well and he might like the probes too

[@boricuaboy4e]

Dan Zickus you bogus as hell for that 😂👏🏼😩😂😂👏🏼😩👏🏼😂

[@macbook802]

He's just going to sit in bed using grubhub until the world is safe again

[@mikezerker6925]

Haha! My thoughts exactly when I saw him say that!

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

The 737 MAX is turning into the next DC-10.

[@royhsieh4307]

for me its turning into 737 RUST

[@MarksamtheMarksman_Official]

love how an airbus plane was flying over the boeing sign XD 🤣

[@sergiolaurencio7534]

Not that much. Its like their are laughing of her.

[@martinhumble]

At least we now can feel safe that Max never will prove to be unsafe again........

[@SuryoHaridadi]

Why did Boeing had to wait till the second crash to start taking action even though they internally knew about the MCAS issue?

[@GURken]

Fool me once, shame on you Fool me twice, shame on me

[@williamhaynes7089]

pretty simple, they underestimated the effects...

[@mahi73]

The real issue with 737's was that the pylons were forwarded and upward(ed) from the original design to accommodate larger engines and changed aerodynamics. The software miss was a flaw that could be fixed, but the real issue remains that of retraining and re-orienting a very large body of pilots to these changes in handling the revised aerodynamics. Without addressing this, it is sad to see that the fix is being peddled off as a "we got it fixed and we tested it" narrative. Well beyond this, I am not an expert. Lets' hope they are true.

[@XX-166]

That’s why they all are going back to simulators to address the new way of flying this aircraft

[@bmechannel]

And that is why I will never fly a Boeing Max anything. American corporatists greed goes unscathed yet again.

[@amore9914]

Thank you for this video, sir! After watching James Asquith's video after 737 Max, I got interested and looked for other related videos, then I landed in this page. Felt sad for the families of the victims :( btw, good luck on the next video.

[@scrmepal]

I must admit if some time in the future i'am on a holiday flight, and i see the plane i'am on is a Boeing 737 Max, i'd feel some anxiety!

[@isaacho4573]

MCAS = Might Crash Any Second

[@jacksonsaviation1077]

It’s the safest plane in the skies now

[@criticRN]

Oh snap ! 😂

[@TracksideViews]

Because that’s what airplanes do.

[@McLaneFS]

Hey, enough of the funny stuff, this is serious journalism here lol

[@saivamshi7740]

lmao

[@royhsieh4307]

they should also introduce Ctrl+Alt+Delete in the cockpit in case of emergency, or crash recovery

[@PS3456]

Too funny..

[@thomasmuller7484]

Nice, first airplane they show is an Embraer 190. Good research!

[@ibrahimhafeez3413]

6:47 airbus a350 flies over Boeing logo LOL

[@sergiolaurencio7534]

Bulling. That what it is. But I not theat sure. I will investigate something

[@jacjac009]

Boeing needs to start from scratch and ground the MAX. I know it can take a decade or more but if they really cared they would. Upgrading engines on a 50 year old body style isn't the move. They only care about profits

[@L.O.G.]

I have warned all my near and dear ones to avoid this plane. Even if it goes to the "dark side " of the moon and comes back safely... we don't care.

[@childish8469]

what will you do when it's success takes over the regional market?

[@Project2457official]

there is no dark side of the moon there is a far side and a near side.

[@weasdf8718]

And no one cars if you don’t take the 737 you really think airline ceos give af about you taking it or not.no even if you do so no one gives af about it

[@MargaretPing]

@@weasdf8718 They do that's why they had to lie to sell 737Max. Max were made to compete with A320neo but their dishonesty backfired and made A320neo more popular.

[@robertsmit9872]

Its going to be interesting to see how the flying public responds to this plane when its put back into service. Wouldn't be surprised if the public avoids it like the plague! I personally would wait at least 6 months before I would. Boeing should have built a whole new plane with a different number on it.

[@pickavana8056]

Yes, Boeing should have redesigned the plane to be stable with the new engines. They didnt. Most people just book an airline, often then cheapest for the trip, not paying attention to the plane type.

[@faketrump3605]

physically, the 737 max is an unstable machine (when attacking angle too big?), that's why it needed mcas software fix. is the physical issue fixed? or is it still a software fix? need to know.

[@user-de4cq6uk6l]

Software was fixed. They spent a year testing it

[@mitko456]

Haha how can they fix that physically?!? They introduced MCAS to avoid physical changes (new aircraft type) in the fist place. It’s mostly software fix that uses more hardware (2sensors) and pilots now are supposed to be prepared and know about it.

[@faketrump3605]

@@mitko456 what makes the two sensors truly redundant system? location? working principle? if redundancy is not strong, it'd fail the same way. very suspicious. by the way, testing software (for a year) helps nothing, if the sensors do not give you the right info.

[@tobester0753]

@@faketrump3605 Yes the two AOA sensors are on separate sides of the aircraft but also Boeing has made it so the system won't activate more than once and if it is receiving conflicting information from the sensors it will shut off.

[@akoubek3]

This was the DC10 in the 80s. That said the Max will need a flawless record going forward. Any crash will be bad, even if MCAS isn't the cause. That said the fact that there wasn't a fail-safe for MCAS was insane and Boeing plus a few hundred people a few dozen airlines faced a dear cost of this

[@criticRN]

No fail safe for MCAS and pilots not even aware of what was happening- truly sad 😞

[@Seirra54]

@@criticRN It induced a trim runaway event. In the CVRs you can hear the trim wheel spinning away. The procedure to handle an MCAS issue is the trim runaway procedure, which crews are already required to memorize.

[@saturn_v3362]

Well I guess no one thought to put a fail safe on a fail safe.

[@abuferasabdullah]

Excellent reporting. 🌸 شكرا لكم

[@deltabeta5527]

That's a good news for me. Since I was feeling suicidal lately.

[@saturn_v3362]

Well, if it helps your mental health any, you wont die on it

[@classichistorian5049]

@Delta Beta LOL

[@paolopandas2103]

Need to do a complete maintenance and overhaul before flying after being parked for so long.

[@williamhaynes7089]

im sure they will, plus many other aircraft that have been parked due to corona cancelling millions of vacations

[@lo3769]

@@williamhaynes7089 I'm sure they won't, gotta save those $$$ for the shareholders

[@kristinarassidaki4235]

Can one say "I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those"?!!!

[@heronimousbrapson863]

Boeing: The glitches with the 737 MAX have been fixed, it's safe to fly in them again! Coronavirus: We'll see about that...

[@Angelum_Band]

So you work for Boing lol!

[@childish8469]

there werent any glitches.

[@PS3456]

@@childish8469 Pilots didn't know how to fly.. hehehhe. Fricken Boeing..

[@childish8469]

@@PS3456 no. its the mcas screwing up and causing the trim tab to slip. and the faa and boeing both passed pilots and the handbook without any instruction on what to do if the mcas messes up.

[@gromm225]

The whole problem with this aircraft is that the new engines were too large and had to mounted further forward and higher up which significantly changes how the aircraft flies. This should not have been a big deal though because all you have to do is require the pilots flying to be properly trained on how to fly the aircraft... Apparently though it was a big deal because Boeing was afraid to lose customers, they thought customers would choose the Airbus alternative since they wouldn't have to retrain pilots and so Boeing implemented automated systems to get around that. The systems didn't have enough redundancy though and when they did fail it was catastrophic. I can't even imagine being the pilot of an otherwise perfect airplane that is nose diving because of software and there is nothing you can do about it... Terrifying... I like Boeing but they should be ashamed of themselves.

[@coachanderson2704]

Flying on Delta now, they don't Max.

[@JeffSmith-pl2pj]

There was crash in Japan that killed over 100 people. They traced the cause back to a repair of the tail section where the repair used one row of rivets instead of the usual two rows. The Japanese inspector that approved the repair killed himself out of guilt. The American inspector at Boeing who approved it just said "it probably was unrelated to the repair." Different cultures.

[@ellie.maylouise]

and now a new 737 crash today i don't think i wanna go on a Boeing plane anymore

[@triple7marc]

The plane that crashed in China was a 737NG, not a 737 MAX. The 737NG is known to be an extremely safe plane. The crash in China wasn’t the fault of Boeing.

[@ellie.maylouise]

@@triple7marc ahhh okay my bad didn’t know

[@cosmoreed3461]

I rode on a 737 max 8 on two occasions between both crashes. Personally I was just happy that Southwest Airlines was flying planes that didn’t look like they were straight out of the 1970s

[@eddietat95]

[insert uninformed "never fly on a Boeing" rant here]

[@user-de4cq6uk6l]

Yea, it was super messed up and unmoral what Boeing did but the plane is still safe

[@douglasfenbert1020]

I'll fly on Boeing, but not a 737 Max. With the oversized engines it is inherently unstable. That is why they had to install the f'd up MCAS system.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@douglasfenbert1020 not flying on a 737max won't achieve anything .with the oversized engines do not make it inherently unstable. the engines won't make it crash. that's why they had to modify the MCAS to make it safe. so don't start fooling around

[@werock9]

When I book a flight I need to be given notice if I'm going to be on one of these as I would opt out thanks. Customers have a right to choose!

[@Maximillion123]

You will be and American, UNited, and Southwest (the major 737 Max operators in the US) have said that they will allow you to change your flight at no additional cost.

[@werock9]

@@Maximillion123 thx for the info great to know

[@twangled]

I walked away from my miles & switched to Delta... they dont Max

[@christerry1773]

For how long? A month, year, a decade?

[@bigazTV]

When you book a flight it always tells you which plane it is.. just pay attention when u book

[@alejandromoranrusso3529]

Great report CNBC.

[@TheJollyGreen]

20/20 beat Netflix, and soon Hulu for that matter, to the punch with presenting a phenomenal hour and 20 min episode on this tragedy, and I saw that a little while ago. While Netflix dove more into the corruption and business side of things, 20/20 really showed how helpless these families felt, and the strength they showed creating their own uprising. I will be watching Hulu's, but please check out 20/20's S46 E6 "Falling From the Sky"

[@simplyrowen]

What’s the name of the Hulu one?

[@vonsier89]

Is there an OPTION to CHOOSE what kind of airplane model when purchasing a flight ticket ?

[@WindowsHomeBit]

No, that will be physically impossible, also no two planes are allowed to fly the same flight number and route (except if it's a different airline which is another story)

[@Baz.007]

Find a different carrier with a different plane

[@gavcom4060]

Stop being a wuss. Plane HAS to be safe now, or Boeing is going into the gutter

[@zgaviation6481]

Yes, there are options. Many airlines offer the same routes with different planes. That said, you may have to fly at a different time than what you preferred initially.

[@PilotandPaddler]

Find an airline that doesn't fly them, or pick a route that this plane doesn't fly. They can and do swap plane types at the last minute for operational reasons, so even if you buy a ticket for one type of plane, you could still show up and find that it was replaced with a Max.

[@greenbeacon394]

Most will and already have forgotten the 737Max incidents and won’t care if they’re on one

[@kristinesays1939]

Woah! James Asquith flew on the 737 MAX in one of his vlogs too.

[@mpawood]

"Uneventful flight" tbh I think that that is the best thing we could hope for lmao

[@glipk]

I am not stepping on this flying coffin

[@edyann]

😅😅😅 That's sort of what I commented as well...🤣🤣🤣

[@gavcom4060]

You’re ignorant then. Do you really think Boeing can afford putting out another 737 MAX with faulty software? Think about it, dumbo

[@nickolliver3021]

not stepping on this coffin won't achieve anything! dumbo right here

[@frankhynd885]

I won’t fly the 737 MAX until it has been crash-free for a couple of years as I don’t true the Boeing senior management’s concern for passenger and aircrew safety.

[@ScottRothsroth0616]

Please define ‘...a couple of years...’.

[@PS3456]

Yeah. But I don't want to be a Guinea pig for the disaster...

[@StopDropandLOL]

Oh man! Been a while since I've seen Greg Feith! He used to be on nearly every episode of Mayday back in the day.

[@RuiPlaneSpotter]

Fantastic video!!!

[@glennchar1087]

It's like a car that has dodgy steering keeps drifting into other lanes and the only way to correct it is via software (mcas). The software may hold but for how long? As there will always be the dodgy steering tendency. Would never get on one, a320 for me thank you very much.

[@Angelum_Band]

The 737 max is like a video game airplane. Treat it as such.

[@QayarV]

You do understand that Airbus planes are much more software controlled then Boeing one right? Like, almost everything on an Airbus is controlled by software, they almost have no physical controls either.

[@Angelum_Band]

@@QayarV You do understand that Airbus was built from from the ground up as an integrate concept? It's like installing a Floyd Rose Bridge on a 1958 Gibson Les Paul or adding an IC engine to a Tesla Model S. Hybrids don't work.

[@QayarV]

@@Angelum_Band it does work. You only have to do a decent job of doing that which is not what Boeing did

[@Angelum_Band]

@@QayarV Hybrids are a travesty in the end. And yes Boing stop doing what they are suppose to do to make safe airplanes in the name of profit. WMD is what they do to perfection.

[@df140]

Because for some people the value of several lives on that plane is no match for tons of jobs, of course.

[@trexx97]

This aged well....

[@husseinadil6290]

The reporter voice makes me feel sick, i can hear him chewing the words. You need to slow down man. If else edit the text you are reading so it could fit the short period of time you are running into.

[@Angelum_Band]

That is how non binary people speak lol