Why The Bulls WOULD NOT Have Won 8 Straight Championships If MJ NEVER RETIRED!

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[@rustybuckets]

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[@sinbadmadeyoumad2506]

You do look like you’re 30 my guy🤣.

[@joaquinvalenzuela7756]

I'm still thinking that you are 30 or at least 25 hahahaaa (sorry :( )

[@calebbc5434]

Considering what we're seeing in today's NBA, I don't think the rockets would ever acquire clyde drexler. They wouldn't have thought they had any title aspirations with MJ in the league, so why make the clyde deal for a title run with no title hopes? Maybe they make the deal to do exactly what you're saying, but I don't think they would think that it would work I say considering what we see in today's NBA, since KD left GS, so many teams are now making power plays to make a run at a championship like teams did in '94

[@davidwilliams316]

if scootie Pittman tried to dunk on hakkem this man would send him back down to earth on his butt. with the block of the century.

[@cameronjohnson9361]

Rusty Buckets I'm 31 my first basketball memory was watching cliff levingston do the what time is it game time chant before game 2 I fell in love with the game and Jordan and the bulls along with all the Jordan docs I watched as a kid

[@kevinnieves9053]

why does this 30 year old keep lying about his age

[@125Rave]

XBG Atrix 😂 we need to see this birth certificate man know he got a mortgage and 2 kids

[@MrLaryece]

It's Thon Maker 2.0

[@MrE_]

@@125Rave damn lol

[@obed1234567]

jason earles

[@kevinnieves9053]

Reginald Johnson II yup I know he has it somewhere 😂

[@sinbadmadeyoumad2506]

Rusty looks like a lawyer/ accountant with that slick hair😆.

[@starkravinglad8099]

He looks like a lawyer who would advise you to claim squatters rights after being kicked out of your parents basement. Kidding, love you Rusty

[@RolllikeDyse]

this mans been buyin his friends liquor since he was 12yo

[@Comedyvibes]

Jesus Loves you and wants you to accept him as your Lord and also saviour

[@danielallen4450]

​@@ComedyvibesOkay. That's nice.

[@Veeskizo]

MJ himself said he was glad the rockets werent in the east cuz he knew that would have been serious trouble.

[@sumnahlennon4516]

It would've been difficult for the Bulls to win in those 2 years but MJ could've been the magic key to unlock the Houston defence.

[@ericdaniel323]

@@sumnahlennon4516 they played 6 times in '90-'93 and Houston won 5, with Jordan scoring below his season average. Chicago had no answer for Hakeem, and Vernon Maxwell was very good at slowing Jordan down.

[@cidvicous]

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[@cidvicous]

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[@cidvicous]

Naliwah was is a good the time to

[@kurtallen12]

MJ himself said "it's a good thing those guys can't get to the Finals, because we have no answer for the big guy"

[@air2373]

Yes but they have answers for everybody else on that team... Except if Hakeem didn’t average 60 points, they didn’t had a chance in 1994.

[@jasonturner6459]

But other teams kept beating them. Not Jordans fault for that. I think the bulls win in at least 1994

[@akiro7653]

Holy shit your only 19??? I thought you were like 25 at least

[@saltysolution4127]

Thought he was around his 30s 😅

[@MrE_]

@@saltysolution4127 you killing him with that one damn. I would have said 23

[@ojutay8375]

He's young. Much younger than I thought

[@ojutay8375]

@@pzooka well yes he flat out says he's 19 in this video. He just looks a lot older than he is

[@matthewmaiden6119]

Same

[@BFFredo]

Rocking a Nirvana tee and talking mid-90s NBA. If you trying to throw us off your real age, you tipping your hand.

[@williamfeliciano3859]

Fredo 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Yungdarius]

I wan gonna make an old joke but a middle aged man like rusty wouldn't understand the humor

[@FAlynn92]

obviously haven't watched yet, but gonna predict the main reason: Olajuwon (bulls fan btw)

[@davidmartinez52420]

I agree. I don't think the Bulls win 8 straight because I don't think his Bulls could've beaten The Dream's Rockets.

[@ericthomas7560]

They had no answer for Hakeem. They had Bill Cartwright for crying out loud.

[@y2shuproblem]

That's fine, but they also didn't have an answer for Jordan. I honestly think that it comes down to the team structure, fatigue (which Bulls have plenty of), and a better support.

[@tdvu]

It's no surprise MJ chose Hakeem to be part of his dream starting 5.

[@ericdaniel323]

@@y2shuproblem that's not really accurate. Vernon Maxwell was one of the best in the league at slowing down Jordan. In 6 regular season meetings '90-'93, the Rockets won 5 while keeping Jordan below his season average.

[@Sam-wr1ji]

Day 1 of asking Rusty Buckets to release his birth certificate

[@moeball740]

Long form cause he looks Kenyan, right?

[@The_favorite_Uncle]

put the birth certificate on live ill give u a thousand dollars

[@obex5044]

NOOOO wheres the d rose jersey? :(

[@themanboy7926]

It's gone

[@obex5044]

the man boy wait what?

[@solomongrundy1616]

I don’t think they would’ve gone 8-0 but it was definitely very probable. Jordan’s Bulls went up against other great teams with a negative record in the regular season but always turned it up an extra level in the playoffs. We were robbed of Jordan at his absolute best because we never saw him play a game 7 in the finals. That probably would’ve happened if they met the Rockets. I say they would’ve split finals 1-1 🤷🏻‍♂️ Oh and P.S. - MJ was mentally abusing Clyde from the 92 finals into the Olympics because he did not want there to be a comparison between each other...He would’ve been put into a torture chamber in 95.

[@tdvu]

Eh, who knows really. Maybe Clyde finally gets over the hump against his nemesis in the same way that Jordan eventually took down the Bad Boy Pistons after several frustrating years in the late 80s.

[@solomongrundy1616]

Tony Vu Would Clyde have fared better against Jordan when joining the rockets? Yes, which is why I said they would’ve split those two finals 1-1. But I don’t think it’s a fair comparison comparing what Jordan had to go through vs Pistons. Jordan’s competitiveness and killer mentality was always there, him and his team just needed to mature in terms of basketball-IQ. And Jordan did not break Clyde mentally, he just made sure Clyde understood who was the better player.

[@cham807]

@@solomongrundy1616 Who knows if Bulls make the finals in 95 considering they don't have rodman yet in 95 and lost grant so they have no interior presence. Then no one to guard Shaq. Even if Jordan didn't retire I'm still confident Magic would beat them in 95.

[@KiddsWorldEntertainment]

Not probable at all, Jordan was exhausted after 93 to the point he was ready to retire, where would he have mustered the strength to win 5 straight more?

[@mayjaaudio6539]

Thts a fair assessment. And only say tht because Hakeem and Clyde was at there best almost creating a super team now tht i look back at the Rockets team. Let's say Bulls loose the first matchup. I think the Bulls would reload tht next year and at the same time MJ do not like to loose and would've came back tht next year with vengeance and with a chip on his shoulder proving why he is the greatest . And would of ran the table until he retired. I think tht lose would've made MJ even better and still would of retired 8-1 in finals play increasing his individual accolades and i know for a fact would have passed Kareem on the all time scoring list. Give MJ 20 years in the league and he would absolutely without a doubt own the record books. He is the GOAT.

[@FinoAllaFine-zd5ky]

“It’s the Knicks” the greatest quote of all-time.

[@richardf.3722]

"please dont say that im 30" - wears a shirt of a 90s band

[@colinwilburn3367]

My dad has those SAME plates! I feel that.

[@cassiusfelix2805]

There is a reason why we haven't seen a 4 peat since Bill did it back in the 60s too much teams. It doesn't matter how much talent you have. You are going up against 29 over teams. It's hard to have a game plan for 29 teams.

[@Moonmerism]

I think the warriors could have done it if they didn't all get hurt in 2019

[@ilikebasketball5788]

@@Moonmerism yea

[@dloveantaeallen3430]

Michael Jordan: *WINS CHAMPIONSHIP* Also Michael Jordan: *IGHT IMMA HEAD OUT*

[@krishnasameer8392]

"And I took it personally"

[@mydogsnameislucy768]

I'm a rockets fan born and raised in Houston and I'm still not too sure about it. Olajuwon is underrated as far as being one of the greatest most complete all around players, but MJ was so good at what he was good at that often he didn't even need to have an all around game to completely dominate it. It's a tough call.

[@290TheEmpireRecords]

Right on...Clutch City in here

[@kyletwitty6638]

The greatest finals series that never was. 😔

[@Boss3Nate]

Not only do they not win 8 but the perfect 6 out of 6 and two separate 3peats disappear as well in my opinion. Probably like 5-3 or 5-1 or 6-2... something a lot different. The way it happened was perfect

[@awesomereviews1561]

I thought the joke was you pretending to be 19...

[@showtimej2582]

You're 19 man I thought you were at least bout 38 lol

[@Luca-yb4sh]

This man speaks the truth. Most unbiased NBA youtuber out there, that's why i'm subscribed.

[@rebelranger]

Excellent video. My counter to the 95 season would be that by winning in 94, Horace Grant would have stayed with Chicago and he would have given the Bulls a fighting chance against Orlando and Houston. However, Grant wasn't nearly as good as Rodman though, so that factor along with championship fatigue probably would have caught up to them in the later 90's.

[@nocturne311]

Grant was the main reason Orlando beat Chicago in 1995. They had no answer for his cuts and mid-range while having to double Shaq consistently prior to Rodman's arrival.

[@prequelsgoat132]

Jesus your 19. I'm only 18 yet you like your twice my age. I thought you already had a family

[@enrique-lopez]

I love how your content has grown in the past couple of years, honestly you're an inspiration

[@unremarkable3913]

Rusty I love the 30 year old jokes because it reminds me of spending an entire day following around a 19 year old kid at work with a piece of paper in my pocket that said 40 on it. Every time he would ask people how old they thought he was well I would just hold up the paper...

[@ThaKingJay]

Ngl, until seeing the later half of this comment it was looking a lil Chris Hansenish.

[@juanpagan3333]

Dropping facts. Chicago native and fan here. Great content my guy

[@daambassador]

It's a major difference between regular season MJ and playoff MJ... Olajuwon no doubt would've gotten his but the rest would be contained. Jordan went undefeated in the finals for a reason. He really stepped up during this stage.

[@t-god2439]

That is a great point but I think mental fatigue is a thing that even Jordan suffered from so I think they would have won more chips but not 8 straight

[@bilalamarumosi8282]

If MJ was so unstoppable how did the magic beat bulls? And why did the Bulls lose consistently in the 80s?

[@deathcon6261]

@@bilalamarumosi8282 Because MJ wasn't in his prime nor did he have a second option. Every NBA champ had at least two good scorers even the 2011 Mavs. has Jason. Also when did the MJ bulls lose to the magic? Are you talking about regular season or before and after MJ's days because we aren't talking about those.

[@bilalamarumosi8282]

@@deathcon6261 When MJ came back in 94-95 they played the magic in the semi finals and lost. I understand that no player wins alone but when MJ lost it was always he didn't have help but when the bulls won it was always because of Mike. Like in the 91 finals. Scottie shoulda got mvp. In 96 it shoulda went to Rodman.

[@kuramakurta9780]

@@bilalamarumosi8282 same with lebron whats your point scottie was not more valuable than mike during the 91 finals

[@GirthyGary]

Just started watching your channel glad I can go back to watch the “growing pains” and still find quality content. Good stuff man :p

[@BrentWoodSean38]

Jordan losing to a 6th Seed would of been laughable.

[@BoBoInnovation]

Being a 42 yr old, I watched the whole championship series and I can say, no way that bulls would have been beaten by rockets twice. The series between Knicks and Rockets were boring as hell and both teams struggled to score - the 2 teams were both good at defense but so were bulls. Offense wise , bulls were a lot better especially when it came to the clutch time.

[@BrandNameLess]

i love when people who talk about basketball actually know what they're talkin about. good shit Rusty!!

[@11Pharcyde]

Watching a dude who cant even buy a beer legally bruh someone lying need to see that birth certificate. Great video once again

[@d34n_]

If you watch the full games in 95, Jordan didn't have the same stamina that he once had, and also there were times where he wasn't mentally at his best either (for example the turnover he had late in one of the games). I think they would've beaten the magic, but lost to the rockets. Stats don't tell it all. Jordan played worse in those playoffs than he did in previous ones.

[@Steve_643]

That’s the reason he went to have legendary workouts/pickup games all summer long on the set of Space Jam.MJ came back #23 and like never missing a beat winning 72 games ,NBA Championship, NBA Finals MVP, NBA MVP, and releasing the Jordan 11’s imo the best shoes with his name on them.

[@wobbafett2464]

he would regain it the next season being away from the game 2 years

[@angeliquaserenity5009]

...Then again you have to be mindful Jordan just came off his first retirement. So we should expect Jordan to be a little out of shape and to be rusty.

[@newbie-dm3133]

I really love your channel, If you keep up these high quality videos of yours I’m more than sure your channel is going blow up over time :)

[@boxxboy13]

I haven't seen this video yet but if the title is actually what you are arguing for, thank you! Finally someone said it

[@christopherrivera2180]

Nothing but the truth. Thank you for this one.

[@dakid_josh15]

Love your content bro keep it up 👍🏽

[@kurtwagner350]

THANK YOU!!!

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

2:43 John Starks dunks on Horace Grant & MJ Game 2 1993 Eastern Conference Finals Madison Square Garden 🏟

[@arielrommelbriones8948]

Great review

[@lilthaey]

Thank you Sooooo much for making this video bruh. ive been trying to get people to understand who tf the Dream was

[@jackknight4020]

There’s no way they’re winning 8 straight. To dominate that long would be exhausting. So many players during that timeline were all pecking at that time.

[@revinnice]

Damn you do look 30. I'm 26 and look way younger than you.

[@newbie-dm3133]

Most likely the facial hair

[@CDodger24]

@@newbie-dm3133 nope. even if he shaves he still has a dad-bod.

[@letmetellyalilstory9122]

Heeell no. Look at that baby face!

[@samuelpenalba8258]

KirbZ 😂

[@AirundEr]

Rusty is the oldest looking 19 year old in the world 😂

[@davidmartinez52420]

I think any NBA fan, be they fans of MJ and the Bulls or not, can agree that 8 straight wasn't likely to happen if they even gave it the slightest bit if critical thinking. The '95 Rockets aside, MJ staying would've caused a ripple the would've made the NBA a lot different than what we know to have happened. It's possible that 72 wins wouldn't even have happened as well. As a Bulls fan, I'm glad things went they way they did.

[@showtimenick824]

To add to Horace Grant scoring 18 PPG in that 95 series against the Bulls, him leaving the Bulls after the 94 season definitely hurt the Bulls and it showed in that series. The Bulls didn't have a legit starting power forward in 95 but luckily that offseason, they were able to get Dennis Rodman.

[@enrique-lopez]

Yoo I remember when you had a bad intro but now this thing looks insane aff!!

[@troywilson747]

You're right.. good analysis

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

The Center position was their only real weakness

[@hot6teenz]

Great video

[@jordanjenkins1671]

3:16 El-eye-jawon???? 😆😆😆 All teasing aside, great vids Rusty!

[@BrandNameLess]

yor topics. are so unique and controversial in a competitive way

[@eghoseisiramen1892]

Haven't even watch it yet but thank Hof someone with sense

[@jamvan1000]

The Spurs would have mollywhopped the Bulls in 1999, if they stayed together

[@michaelmcphee2006]

I'm going to go one step further...I wouldn't be surprised if they only won 5 titles if MJ didn't retire. He, and the title expectations, put a ton of stress on the organization. They were ready to pop the first time he retired, and then did implode the second time. I think Hakeem would have got his two titles, and the stress of MJ and championship expectations for that many consecutive seasons could easily have cost them another one.

[@BonsuTheTiger]

Another banger

[@L_M185]

Its all good. I was 6'6" and had a beard at 15 I used to have to bring my birth certificate to sporting events because everyone thought I was in my 20s

[@MrE_]

@a Spurs fan since 11 7ft7

[@L_M185]

6'6" I just hit my growth spurt early then stopped

[@424AGS]

Good luck with the moving💯

[@splashnskillz37]

Daaaaaamn we the same gen Rusty

[@urbaindelva7869]

Jordan himself said that he did not believe they would've gone 8-0 if he had not retired because in his words, "the energy of the team was not the same." Also, do people realize that literally EVERYTHING would have to work in the Bulls' favor for that to happen? Health, chemistry, the roster, coaching, competition, etc. Everyone acts like it was automatic they would have kept winning when there really was no proof that would've been the case.

[@nicholasrose4448]

19 wtf looool I was over here thinking you were 30

[@ItIsAllgood1219]

You overlook that both Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman can switch to Center and guard them very effectively.

[@alecsanderhamilton9224]

Their dominance is actually understated mentioning 6 ships in 10 years when 94 and 95 they were without their best player for 147 out of a possible 164 games in the regular season and then in 99 having had the dynasty disbanded.

[@primordialtitan2874]

FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS FACTS

[@aarontrainor9918]

The 1999 playoffs should've concluded the dynasty with the Bulls 10 peating from 1990-1999((without scotties migraines and MJ taking 18 months off))

[@buzzerbeater3350]

19 my ass! This guy look likes he's 2 days away from joining AARP!

[@d34n_]

Would've been cool if you also would've tried to see if the bulls could've won more in 99 or 2000 if the front office didn't kick phil jackson out and split up the whole team Still a great video none the less

[@TMK561]

I whole heartedly agree!

[@rendellbartholomew2742]

Food for thought.

[@iels7346]

We'll never know, but I'm not going against 6-0, especially when he clapped the best out of the west 6 times, they didnt go to 7 games once in the finals did they? Edit: 4:26 GOD DAMN, if mr burns was a real person.

[@lukacalov1988]

They wouldnt won 8 straight They woulda won 9 straight bruh if mj never retired

[@anthonyrumph7432]

Luka Calov yea keep telling yourself that 😂

[@KAMAII4]

Luka Calov fax !

[@bensimmonswillneverhita3317]

🧢 Hakeem would’ve averaged 40 points a game against those bum ass centres on the bulls

[@holdmybeer775]

Ben Simmons will never hit a 3 and jordan would average 50 against their bum ass shooting guards

[@s0Lstar18]

Ben Simmons will never hit a 3 yeah but they didn’t have anyone else. So yes Hakeem would’ve ate but his other teammates weren’t all star level players they literally got the right matchup in a knicks team that had a low iq and was known for choking and an inexperienced Orlando team. Stop it.

[@apimpnamedstepback1431]

Wish I had another account to like this video again.

[@justin8910]

will smith bad boys 2 “n…. You atleast 30” was the immediate thought!

[@seannborba8416]

You should put another potted plant to your left side so it can be between two ferns with rusty buckets

[@redmanr5522]

for most of the 90's, from 1991 to 1998, two of the Central time zone's largest cities saw NBA championships, and from 1991 to 1999, only Illinois & Texas have claimed NBA championships. Bulls, Rockets, & Spurs.

[@thelowroad216]

Rusty looks like the guy who comes into restaurants and fixes soda guns.

[@rustybuckets]

tf is a soda gun?

[@thelowroad216]

@@rustybuckets google it

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Do a video about the top 50 list from Bleacher Report.

[@lainiwakura4678]

Jordan stole Drexler's heart in 92. Also Jordan's stats doesn't tell the whole story. Anyone that actually watched the games could see he was out of sync with his teammates and making uncharacteristic mistakes in 95. It's a bogus debate from the start though since MJ himself stated he needed a break after 93. The way he gives his all in every single practice. Puts into every game. And those years of physical beatings from the Celtics and Pistons. He said he was drained *during* the 93 season, coming off the Olympic run with no offseason. He never once himself claimed they'd have won 8. Because he knows it's moot. He was physically and psychologically incapable of playing.

[@thatnewpimptrickgangstacli8922]

Let'sAllLove Lain *he was suspended for gambling

[@lainiwakura4678]

@@thatnewpimptrickgangstacli8922 There is no credible evidence to back that up whatsoever.

[@dj2k460]

ok can I say I'm fucking shocked your 19 years old literally you come off older and wiser then most 19 year olds I know I'm a 19 year old as well and I just started sports youtube and your channel inspired me to do it but really great video rusty buckets hope u have more success

[@bigdbigooo7829]

Damn I'm starting to feel a little old. Remember the McDonald cups for the dream team. I def got all of them

[@Enlightenmentcircle]

I'm 30 and I was a kid in the 90's

[@DGG-DomGotGame]

Noti squad

[@Thetruth11033]

There is no way the rockets beat Jordan twice ur buggin

[@bebopman5]

That's not what he said. He said the '95 Rockets would've beaten the Bulls that year. So no 8-peat; a 4-peat, loss in '95, then a 3-peat.

[@DiabolicalD3]

Great video but it's wrong MJ cooked Clyde as he did every other guard cept for nique and maybe hardaway the only guys athletic enough to play both ways with Jordan. Regardless if your giving them number 4 over the rockets team they'd lose to whose to say they don't make a parallel move to bring in a defensive big which they did with Rodman when Jordan came back. Jordan's greatness came with how demoralizing it was to play against him when he was on your teams big would score then Jordan would come the other way and make the backcourt look dumb then you'd score again and he'd rip the ball next time eventually your just like idk what to do he's killing us.

[@blaque5582]

Center was our Achilles heal

[@rexsmith9074]

Agreed. A better question is how many they would have won following the second 3-peat if management had kept the team and Phil together. My guess is 2 more. I have little doubt they would have won in the following, strike-shortened season. The year after would have been tougher.

[@T65XJ]

Completely agree except 1995 depends on Horace Grant. He hated the Bulls and wanted out. If a potential 5-peat convinces him to stay, Bulls beat the Rockets. Jordan+Pippen+Rebounder=Trophy

[@MasterCombatant]

Rusty is obviously the one fan who doesn’t get delusional

[@MichaelLandSeasandAir]

The Rockets barely barely edged out the Knicks in 1994 winning in 7 games. If MJ didn’t retire there would be no doubt the Bulls win 8 in a row.

[@maryjochapman3742]

Kenny the jet Smith of the rockets said had they had to face the Seattle supersonic in a 7 game serious they wouldn't have made it. So Jordan's retirement had a different outcome I believe they could have won 10 straight because they would have built on what they had mutumbo might have even come to the bulls

[@kendallboultsjr]

The bulls went 7 against the knicks too🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Maal7432]

I completely agree. No way they win 8 straight. Fatigue would set in.

[@VincePipilas]

I agree with everything u said, and as a 38 yr old who was young but did see those championship teams, the only thing I can say is MJ had a way to always rise to the occasion when the pressure was greatest. When the lights were brightest he played the best. I know their are people on here that know what I mean. Time and time again he proved along with Pippen and his great defense and all around play, that they could find a way to win. That’s a X factor that has to be considered in some way. Great channel also.

[@nickd5854]

You’re only 19 ? Dawg I thought you were like 23 at least lol

[@dumisatonyjohnson8145]

Jordan's 4-5 turnovers/game Vs Orlando in the Conference Semifinals cost the Bulls that playoff series

[@Pmp9]

This guy actually speaks straight facts 😁

[@ramelchilds7416]

So the Bulls don't win in 95 bc of.....Clyde Drexler and Robert Horry. I'm weak 😂

[@s0Lstar18]

That shit had me rolling. A never retired mike who already destroyed Clyde lol

[@lerryperry]

Question: How is it that the Seattle Supersonics never had a true center in the 90s but they created constant matchup problems for the Tickets back then? I am asking this question because the Bulls had a similar set up to the Sonics back then.

[@user-uk9co8hb8s]

The key was Horace Grant. But the bulls themselves didn’t need a dominate big man because they’re perimeter defense wouldn’t allow the inlet pass. And were very good at double teaming from down low on the big man’s blind side. That’s one thing that was addressed in the LastDance. MJ said it himself. The reason they went and got Rodman.

[@gustaylor9392]

I have a what if segment idea, what if: Carmelo Anthony went to Miami to play with Wade Lebron and Bosh?

[@jacoboxler]

Damn Rusty buckets and I are the same age I thought he was older than me by like 6 years