Why the Cell Saga is the Most Overrated Arc in Dragon Ball Z

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@ade1174 11 ай бұрын

The poor writing kills the Cell Saga for me. Almost all of the Z fighters act like complete idiots with Vegeta and Krillin being the most egregious.

@StevenJones851 11 ай бұрын

Despite the flaws it's like the 2nd best Arc

@aka-fusion8909 10 ай бұрын

It actually makes sense for their characters lol, u just don’t understand their writing and the point of their characters

@StevenJones851 10 ай бұрын

@@aka-fusion8909 yeah i feel its the buu Saga that got it wrong

@thelvadam90 7 ай бұрын

Poor decision but they are kind of in character

@lordenma4449 5 ай бұрын

Bruh goku is one of the most idiots near vegeta he doesn't understands Gohans feelings and he even realises his mistake after piccolo explaining it

@taserman17 11 ай бұрын

Idk mustard, I got to watch it again.

@_SM1 6 ай бұрын

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@Soyboythoughts 11 ай бұрын

You also have to remember the aduience for DBZ, its children. Children dont need good writing, they need fancy explosions, and thats what Buu, GT, and Super are for. DBZ was never peak thought out anime, its meant for children to be entertained while their parents ignore them. Its not a show for us and its not a show thats meant to grow with us thats why Goku's actor still sounds like a child in Super...

@whitebwoi 11 ай бұрын

nah whatever your dealer is supplying u, it aint weed

@uandresbrito5685 11 ай бұрын

You know nothing about japanese shows. This is not Backyardigans. Some shounen anime are way deeper than whatever adult comedy you're watching in your 20s, because they take themselves seriously. So if a shounen is nonsense, it's nonsense

@Soyboythoughts 11 ай бұрын

@@whitebwoi i dont have a dealer, i dont do drugs/alchohol/smoking/coffee, my head is clean.

@Soyboythoughts 11 ай бұрын

@@uandresbrito5685 i was never comparing this to the backyardigans or shows like it. But its still mindless entertainment. And just because its japanese doesnt mean it has to have a deeper meaning not all anime are Evangelion. Some are just like the power rangers, new big baddie these week, this season, this arc. And isnt the power rangers japanese or some thing? Thats what early DBZ about i feel. Even current DBZ doesnt have some mythodical reasoning behind it, the artist is probably just like "oh man i already made vegeta struggle with this here, so lets make him struggle with this next! The fans would love it" and we do love it, but its the youtubers who add greater meaning based off the trauma in their lives. Its just not that deep, its a show to distract kids while their parents cheat on each other

@uandresbrito5685 11 ай бұрын

@@Soyboythoughts It's not. Power Rangers is american and it's original counterpart,Super Sentai, can feel way more like shounen anime. It's not that japanese = mature, but that the demography for shounen is not the demography for our children shows. Death Note ws a manga has the same demography as Dragon Ball. You need to understand that. And no, it's not mindless. It just feels goofy because it's old, but Dragon Ball takes itself very seriously most of the time after the King Piccolo arc.

@TheCudder4life 8 ай бұрын

Frieza saga is peak, no question.

@lordenma4449 5 ай бұрын

Agreed

@Mickeyisagoat Ай бұрын

Agreed

@greasedood7263 5 ай бұрын

Ssj Gohan is trash in my opinion. Should've just kept him in base forever seeing as he is basically a borderline side character for the rest of the franchise. Beast Gohan is lazy and lame too.

@Mickeyisagoat Ай бұрын

I agree with this, I didn't like how Gohan just instantly gained the SSJ2 form

@doom-mantia 11 ай бұрын

Strongly agree. There's a video by the channel PlagueofGripes called 'Gohan's Many Masks' explaining he's a pretty flat character that is nothing more than a 'weapon' that needs to get pushed in pressure situations. He just needs to be prodded into being angry enough and that's the magic solution to problems as seen in the Cell saga.

@zemox2534 6 ай бұрын

Gohan is anything but flat and frankly that video comes off as hating the character.

@creategreatness8823 2 ай бұрын

The storytelling peaked with the Frieza Saga. It should have concluded after that arc. Then the franchise could have just been continued with one-off films after that. The minute you have Goku become the legendary Super Saiyan, and defeat Frieza, the ultimate evil power in the universe....only for Frieza to come back as a cyborg just to get wrecked by a punk with a sword who is then revealed to be delivering a doomsday warning from the future...to me that goes into serious "jumping the shark" territory. After that, it didn't feel like a story was being told, it didn't feel like the Dragon Balls were in any way a focal point of the series...it just felt like we were exclusively watching a show that existed to always justify more fights no matter how contrived or idiotic the character decisions might be...and the Dragon Balls were just a plot device on the side of all of that.

@Simox17 11 ай бұрын

I agree, they could've done much better

@SlickSaiyan-ou2zc 10 ай бұрын

A lot of the complaints in this video honestly just don't really work for me. Example, 16 bomb thing is an anime only statement. Cell acting cowardly, it's just the character acting true to himself and it helps the themes of Dragon Ball be consistent. Cell was desperate to prove he is just better than everyone, so when he's the one being beaten his traits of cowardice are put on full display. Cells motivation is clear, he simply wants to kill and watch the terror of the world. He wants to see humanity tremble over his ''perfect power'' as he believes. It's why he becomes complacent and doesn't work for any more power after obtaining his perfect form. He genuinely thinks he's perfect. Those are just a few things which can all be agreed upon if everyone actually read the manga for Dragon Ball. Not Super or nothing just the manga titled Dragon Ball, which starts with Goku in the woods and ends with him flying off with Oob. Cell coming back with his explanation makes sense if your not getting irritated at every little thing, now first. There's a narrative, Cell coming back that way at its core is due to the characters needing to develop past their mistakes and Cell coming back after Goku just planned to have him die there fits with Goku's decision at the end to stay dead. Second, Cell has Saiyan cells/Genetics. Him coming back from near death and becoming so much more powerful makes sense, though If I would give you anything him coming back in his perfect form doesn't make the MOST sense. But it really doesn't matter, him coming back that way doesn't affect the story or narrative or anything for the matter in a negative way. Him learning instant transmission makes a lot of sense actually, we've seen characters learn moves just by seeing it once. (Goku seeing Roshi's Kamehameha) Why is it so bad when Cell who has the cells of Freeza, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, etc, is also able to do that? Also Toriyama being conflicted on the antagonists doesn't mean the story was supposed to end earlier. And honestly if you think the story really should end at Namek. ... Thats just stupid. The story perfectly ends with the Majin Boo arc which wraps up Goku's character arc perfectly, taking that out just ruins the build up to the finale. Minor grips like Super Saiyan not being special anymore doesn't matter. It doesn't affect anything in the story. Just because the characters keep evolving past Super Saiyan doesn't devalue it inherently. Characters always evolve past their limits, Roshi, Tenshinhan, and Kuririn for examples who after their character arc wraps up they take a backseat in the story.

@thelvadam90 7 ай бұрын

Semi Perfect shouldn't have complained though. They should have just waited until he was losing to Gohan to make him cry since he was at his Perfect form and losing. They should have just made him accept his L against Vegeta and just manipulate him to let him be Perfect instead of having him cry to.

@presidentc4 8 ай бұрын

Called 19 a she lol

@HannibalGraham 10 ай бұрын

Tien holding off Cell was at least top 5 in that arc. That shit would give me a feeling that's hard to explain. I also have to say, why are there references to the Android Saga when we are talking about the Cell Saga? Yea it had SOMETHING to do with Cell, but it was not the same saga. Holy. What are 17/18s motives? How are you confused about that? lol Cell is bitching because he has Frieza's cells in him. Frieza would do the same if he were restricted. Cells also have a memory. I don't know enough about it to make an argument, but there's a reason that evolution works. The SSJ deal, that is pretty asinine. It's obvious that once you get used to a transformation with years of true battle experience, it's not shocking that it would become easier to excel at it. Goku has ALWAYS been exceling at an excessive rate. It shouldn't come as a shock when he is significantly stronger then Trunks. Trunks kept running into a wall and would run out of fear of death. He RARELY had the option to push himself to the brink of death and he fought as a necessity of survival. So unless he was backed into a corner, he would run. Where as Goku took ALL challenges as serious as any other. The "good" parts I agreed with, but every bad part you mentioned was extremely short sighted. I'm surprised you don't have more dislikes. This is 50/50 for me so I won't rate it.

@darklight1171 9 ай бұрын

honestly most these peoples reasoning really sucks thank god someone had some sense

@_SM1 6 ай бұрын

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@xpkresxlost2264 11 ай бұрын

I think people just reach to deep. I never saw dragon ball as a well written series. There’s so many plot holes, so many things that don’t make sense. However, every arc is in the db & DBZ is good. Sure it has its flaws, but ultimately it’s something we grew up as kids/teens. We didn’t go this deep into the story & find its flaws. We Simply enjoyed the series.

@zemox2534 6 ай бұрын

Why can't you just bloody apprecite the series for what it is!!@ especially since Toriyama died!@

@psybon1498 6 ай бұрын

@@zemox2534ikr?

@psybon1498 6 ай бұрын

@@zemox2534rest in peace Akira Toriyama.

@kylestakes1439 10 ай бұрын

u shouldve talked about krillin bro, he sold and had the audacity to say "stupid vegeta" 😅

@pigboykool 7 ай бұрын

Great video. Personally, I think anything after the Frieza Saga sucks because the quality of writing dropped sufficiently starting with the Cell Saga and things getting worse & worse in Buu Saga. Careful readers can tell story after Frieza are like cheap add-on to the original story without a well thought out outline with many contradiction to the early story & much weaker story execution. Toriyama admitted in many interviews he didn't enjoy writing Dragon Ball anymore due to high pressure from the publishers & readers.

@tevinwalker2260 11 ай бұрын

Krillin selling the squad had me hot😂😂😂

@Soroanime 11 ай бұрын

I’m watching dbz for the first time and I agree as of right now I like the Frieza sage more than this arc and some arcs in og dragon ball I’d put over this one

@icekingdj1474 11 ай бұрын

Bro your dbz takes are always great , loved this video 🔥🔥🔥

@STICKSAND 11 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention that goku blew up cell’s top half with a k wave and came back from that

@mercenaryknight5419 5 ай бұрын

The mistakes came about in the Cell Saga as a result of Cell being shoehorned into the plot and Toriyama being forced by his editor to constantly change him and drag the story out. Ruined the Androids saga. The writing is so terrible. Cell was not even supposed to be the main villain and the editor forced Akira Toriyama to put him in and to keep changing his abilities and purpose. Really screwed everything up. Watching History Of Trunks one can see how effective villains 17 & 18 were and are and how wrong Toriyama's editor, Hirokazu Torishimia, truly was Hell, Super Android 13 is likely closer to what Toriyama intended and I don't say that lightly.

@ronanmcw 11 ай бұрын

I think you've misunderstood Cell's transformations. They weren't a case of requiring specific androids to be present, but requiring a specific power level to be achieved - and the only way Gero knew to accomplish this was via the androids. The zenkai boost from the absolute beating he took from Gohan was enough to offset the loss of android 18, as well as pushing Cell to achieve super saiyan (or ssj2 depending on who was animating each slide). Whether or not that much of a boost was appropriate is completely up for argument, but just being back in his perfect form isn't as incorrect as you make it out to be. I also disagree a little on your take about 17 and 18. I think their actions make a lot of sense. They're kids, set loose with unrivalled power and no real objective or clue what to do. They're bored so take a road trip. The only thing repeating in their head is the core programming of "kill goku" and at the lack of anything else to do, they do that. Where I think the writing gets clever is that the 17 and 18 never make an aggresive action against the Z fighters - they only ever respond to the Z fighters attacking them. Kami points this out and initially refuses to fuse with Piccolo as a result. It's only Kami sensing Cell that pushes him to fuse, and Picollo again misunderstands this and immediately goes to fight 17 and 18.

@_SM1 6 ай бұрын

Ur spitting 10000% fax

@mercenaryknight5419 5 ай бұрын

Except those only came about through contrived writing via external meddling. Also, 17 & 18 say they wanted to kill Goku because it was going to be fun like everything else they clearly intended to originally, "part of a game" as 17 put it.

@MineShackle 11 ай бұрын

stop saying they were supposed to end the show. Toriyama NEVER confirmed that the cell saga was the ending

@StevenJones851 11 ай бұрын

He was gonna end it after the Pilaf Saga

@MedicineRunner 17 күн бұрын

9:15 str8 up had nightmares about 1st form Cell coming to drain me when I was a kid. Dude was scary but still not nearly as sadistic as Frieza.

@Castor-wi2im 2 ай бұрын

The reason the Androids were less evil in the main timeline than in Future Trunks timeline is because Dr Gero was forced to activate them earlier in the main timeline as a result of the tip off from Future Trunks and the Z fighters having him cornered. He wasn't able to finish their programming. In Future Trunks timeline, this never occurred and Gero was able to complete their programming to it's fullest, making them as evil and destructive as he wanted. I get it though, it's never made clear in the show and kinda just left to the audience to figure it out.

@Bakuru 4 ай бұрын

The Cell arc is my favorite arc, but I do agree the Freeza arc is overall better. I believe Gohan pretty much saves the arc from looking worse. Gohan's peak moments in the Cell arc, finally culminating everything we have seen from him since the start of the show, THAT'S the best development cash in of the series in my opinion, and that's why so many people love it. However, if you look at the arc as a whole, there's no way you can say it's better than the Namek/Freeza saga. The only character that had as much weight to them as the storylines in that arc was Gohan. And he isn't enough to elevate it past the entirety of the Freeza saga. Freeza will always be the best villain of the show. No one will have as much gravitas to match him 💯

@Castor-wi2im 2 ай бұрын

I love Dragon Ball. It will always be one of my favorite animes. The Cell saga is the only time throughout the entirety of the show where I have felt bored following the story.

@rundown3984 4 ай бұрын

Even the Android Saga was good, literally every z fighter felt useful. The Cell Saga was so boring

@bobbyweight2170 Ай бұрын

Worst take. Cell saga 2nd best

@SD-wj9bv 11 ай бұрын

I’ve always say the problem every one has with the 2 latest dbs arcs (Moro and granohola arcs) has been been a problem in the series after the namek arc

@aka-fusion8909 11 ай бұрын

1. Toriyama never intended on ending dbz after cell 2. Cell was able to learn instant transmission after witnessing Goku use it multiple times 3. Cells motive after he came perfect made sense since he has saiyan genes he would want to test out his perfect form and his strength against the z fighters so he held the cell games so he can test his new strength 4. Cell being able to reach his super perfect form after spitting out 18 made sense since he got a zenkai boost from his saiyan cells

@_SM1 6 ай бұрын

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@lordenma4449 5 ай бұрын

Cell was just there he didn't had a real Goal to achieve

@nezu-4007 10 ай бұрын

Yapping

@_SM1 6 ай бұрын

😂

@darke216 11 ай бұрын

This arc is HEAVILY carried by it's climax

@_SM1 6 ай бұрын

Lowkey

@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 8 ай бұрын

Now make a vidoe saying Majin Buu is overhated. Seriously, seeing so many people just shit on him for no reason is really tiring.

@thelvadam90 7 ай бұрын

People shit on the arc for many valid reasons. The arc starts of good but just falls off and has many terrible aspects. The pacing in it is atrocious and it drags on to much.

@whitebwoi 11 ай бұрын

came to drop a dislike, not watching this cap

@uandresbrito5685 11 ай бұрын

Lmao you're not even ashamed

@thelvadam90 7 ай бұрын

This arc is great but yeah I agree about Semi Perfect Cell. Him getting pissy about Vegeta's winning took away from him as a villain. His personality in his Imperfect form and Perfect form are great but Semi Perfect Cell had an ugly design and his complaining was annoying. Instead of complaining Toriyama should have just made him manipulate Vegeta to let him reach perfection right when he was losing without having him cry.

@forcecalibration924 9 ай бұрын

When you dropping the Buu saga?

@Man_0f_Trenches 11 ай бұрын

It’s good until the end. Gohan vs cell has some of the worst choreography in the series, and Gohan’s attitude is insufferable. Gohan already ended lives on namek, but just this time he decides that he doesn’t want to fight?

@Kyuubey0406 11 ай бұрын

Gohan didn’t kill on namek

@StevenJones851 11 ай бұрын

He only killed like 1 Frieza Soldier on Namek

@ramd9532 11 ай бұрын

Cell saga was one of the best. The androids, cell, future trunks, the story lime, the brutality of cell, the tournament, vegeeta closure and acceptance.