Why the Cubs are targeting a Kyle Tucker trade

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Sahadev Sharma and Patrick Mooney are reporting from the Winter Meetings, where the Cubs are trying to line up a deal with the Astros for Kyle Tucker, a star hitter who would transform their offense and represent a big splash for an organization that needs impact talent. What does that mean for Seiya Suzuki and Cody Bellinger? The Athletic’s Cubs beat writers share what they’re hearing in the lobby of the Hilton Anatole in Dallas.
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@gregthegroove Ай бұрын

Kyle Tucker is a bad ass. He is right underneath the first top 10-15 players in the league. Judge, Soto, Betts, Freeman, Shohei, Harper…..He’s right under that. Plus his D, he’s awesome. I just don’t see this happening unless it’s part of even other moves to win now. Like getting Roki Sasaki. The Cubs starting rotation if healthy, can do some real damage in post season.

@CatNamus Ай бұрын

He slots in after Shohei & above Harper & Freeman. Tucker is as legit as it gets. A must extend. You don’t let guys like him out the door. Cornerstone franchise superstar. Wait till you see how much the fans love this guy during the summer. 8-10 war potential is rare

@ItzEvelyn121 Ай бұрын

If they give Cassie it’s over. The guy is a stud

@mikestuhr2797 Ай бұрын

CaSSIE could become TUCKER.

@mollypond5 Ай бұрын

i just can’t see it happening. it’ll be a one year rental and astros want way too much

@DaLions_Den Ай бұрын

Astros fan here- know that a pitcher added to the trade will be undervalued because we don't need more pitchers. We need position players with a decent glove and bat and top-100 prospects. Tucker is lowkey one of the best players in the MLB. I can't say enough about the guy, good vibes, chill. He can throw an 80+mph rope to the bag and is fired up after MLB stole his 30/30 season from him. There's just no fluffy bs hype around him like a lot of other players. I think there's a handful of ways we can make this work but it won't be cheap because he's a fan favorite gold glove-winning silver slugger and a 3-time All-Star at 27 years old.

@ShaneNewbanks Ай бұрын

Hypothetically speaking, if the two major league guys are Parades and Seiya, the Astros aren’t getting to top 100 prospects with that as well. Nor do I think any other team is gonna spend that amount either which means the Astros leverage is gone. my guess is most Astros fans will be underwhelmed with the return if Tucker is dealt.

@DaLions_Den Ай бұрын

Right, I get what you're saying. From history, we'd rather let him play this next year than let him go for less than his worth. Reasonably, for Tucker, I expect either 1)Paredes and Suzuki 2) Paredes and 2 top prospects 3) 3+ very interesting prospects. The Astros have a couple solid pitchers I don't think they'd mind trading to even things out and get Paredes, Suzuki, and multiple top prospects.

@retroextreme79 Ай бұрын

The Astros are asking way too much for 1 year of Tucker. Don’t get me wrong I’d like Tucker on the Cubs. But Tucker won’t sign an extension and will play the market the following year following oh the steps of Otani and Soto. He knows he’ll get paid well. On top of that you know how the Cubs are and won’t pay the kind of money he wants.

@matthewgrissom8945 Ай бұрын

If you trade Paredes and Suzuki to get Tucker…how can then trade Bellinger too??? Lineup gets weakened IMO

@jamespullos8027 Ай бұрын

No possible way the Cubs trade for Tucker because after next season there's no way Jed will sign him They love to keep talking about up and coming prospects just to keep your attention

@babagaming7867 Ай бұрын

Jed won't be the GM

@Teremei Ай бұрын

I would be most comfortable with something like Paredes, Asaad, Triantos, + a top 30 guy. I could substitute Triantos with Alcantara. Owen Cassie is the top top name I'd give. But he's a potential RF of the future so if you feel confident tom nickels is ready to offer Tucker 12/400 then you can let go of cassie.

@mikeofallon Ай бұрын

Paredes and Seiya for Tucker. Busch to 3rd and keep Belli (still a good bat and gives a lot of defensive flex). Sign Alonso who could DH in half the games and rotate the DH for the other half.

@Teremei Ай бұрын

Busch to 3rd is a HORRIBLE idea. Paredes, Triantos, Asad + top 30 prospect for Tucker. Belli to NYY for Warren. Suzuki to DH, Tucker to RF, Busch at 1B, Matt Shaw at 3B for one year (unless you trade Nico, then Shaw to 2B and trade for a solid 3B)

@petepyeatt6909 Ай бұрын

This has spread to Chicago? Dammit.

@trevord4288 Ай бұрын

Would love for you guys to have Chandler on to discuss this.

@SJ25PB Ай бұрын

Adding Tucker would be cool. But dumping Belli, Paredes and maybe Nico while not fixing the catching offense and bringing in a AA strikeout King in the Rule 5 and turning to more unproven prospects who while rated high will have growing pains during Tuckers lone year or control seems dumb. If you want to go all in they have to find another big bat to pair with Tucker.

@cambium0 Ай бұрын

If we're still trying to win 90 games next season the only point in doing that would be to make a World Series run in 2026. In 2026 we would not have Kyle Tucker so what is the point of any of this.

@jwilson3985 Ай бұрын

Adding Tucker won’t even get the Cubs close to LAD. If this helps get Sasaki then by all means but even w both players the Cubs still aren’t as good on paper as LA.

@jessl1014 Ай бұрын

I don't wanna make excuses but part of me gets avoiding free agency. These deals are outrageous and it's inevitable that most of them look bad in a few years. Meanwhile you could get tucker for a year and maybe you won't even give anything up. Who knows, any of these prospects might be a bust, at least several of them won't ever even be regular mlb players. So part of me gets it, let other teams pay 75 million for 34 year old eovaldi of they want.

@michaelplowman8674 Ай бұрын

I'll give you a slew of moves the Cubs could make that are fairly independent of each other. #1) Bellinger and 10M to the Yankees for catching prospect Egleen Perez. The move is mostly to open up payroll and a 26 man slot, money, and add a young C prospect. Yankees get replacement for 1B/OF #2) Paredes and Wesneski to Houston for Tucker - Houston gets the corner IF they want with 3 years of control and a MLB ready pitcher with 5 years of control. Cubs get an impact bat and great RF. Maybe even add in Mervis to the deal. #3) Nico to Seattle for Castillo and Arroyo - Mariners get major upgrade at 2B and save about 10M while Cubs get a good RHSP and a SS prospect #4) I'm not certain if they are looking for pitching or OF first trade so either Alcantara/Little/Murray or Brown/McGeary/Murray to Philadelphia from Alec Bohm. If all trades were made at money and players, possible line up of PCA CF Happ LF Tucker RF Suzuki DH Busch 1B Bohm 3B Shaw 2B Swanson SS Amaya C Bench - Kelly, Mastrobouni, Canario, Workman Rotation Steele Castillo Imanaga Taillion Boyd Pen - Assad, Hodge, Wicks, and I couldn't really say who else, They still have plenty of money to bring in Tanner Scott as the above moves would only cost about 10-11M more than what's on the books.

@DaLions_Den Ай бұрын

The Astros don't need a pitcher

@michaelplowman8674 Ай бұрын

@@DaLions_Den Yet that is part of the asking price for Tucker by reports.

@DaLions_Den Ай бұрын

@@michaelplowman8674 You're proposal looks good it just doesn't solve their problems. I think they're interested in developing a ROY pitcher in Gil but they're targeting position players. We have 4 question marks for positions on the field before Tucker leaves and 9 starting pitchers on the payroll already.

@naturallawman2965 Ай бұрын

@@michaelplowman8674 Astros hang up the phone. No way that Paredes, Wesneski & Mervis plus Cash gets that deal done. Tucker is an elite OF! Astros are gonna ask for at least one (if not two) top-tier prospects back. One of Shaw, Smith, Horton or Caissie would have to be in that package. Otherwise Houston could get better offers elsewhere, or potentially just wait for 2-6 months to see what happens.

@michaelplowman8674 Ай бұрын

@@naturallawman2965 You were saying?

@MP-nz8nr Ай бұрын

Astros are looking for pitching in this deal. The only chance the Cubs have is if the Yankees refuse to give up top pitching.

@DaLions_Den Ай бұрын

We don't need pitching. Shoot, we're shopping our ace and "America's closer"

@DaLions_Den Ай бұрын

Framber and Pressly

@jayjoshi298 Ай бұрын

Add tucker in cubs roster

@plus790 Ай бұрын

First, there is *no* reason to think this Cubs regime would be willing to (re)sign Tucker next offseason. That makes him a pure one year rental. Even-up for Paredes (or with a fringe prospect), sure, it makes the team better but only at most for one season, and that's assuming you have a legitimate 3B. Not a AA Rule 5 maybe. Not a promising but untested Matt Shaw with unknown 3B defense. The Cubs should NOT be in "Win Now" mode. You are not one Kyle Tucker away from being a realistic World Series contender. You're two Tuckers, plus a #1 starter. You make a move like this when you have a 92 win team and a replacement-level hole in the OF. Here, you are replacing Bellinger (2.4 WAR even in 2024) or Suzuki (3.5 WAR) in the lineup with Tucker's 5.4 (using his higher number from 2022 and 2023 instead of this injury-shortened 2024). Your net gain is 1.9-3 wins, and that's ignoring the assumed loss of Paredes.

@bv6377 Ай бұрын

It's okay if the team disagrees with what you wrote

@jscb2366 Ай бұрын

If they trade Suzuki for Tucker that trade does not really move the needle. While Tucker is better, he alone does not replace Suzuki & Belli.

@jeremysmith8033 Ай бұрын

Tucker and a guy like Caissie could absolutely replace Suzuki and Belli. Have you wait and see

@theoperry3236 Ай бұрын

The Astros want prospects not dudes with a salary

@jeremysmith8033 Ай бұрын

@theoperry3236 astros have already said they want mlb players and a prospect

@theoperry3236 Ай бұрын

@ yeah top prospects unless yall give us Paredes’s cus we need a first basemen Horton cam smith and alcantara then I can see this working

@jeremysmith8033 Ай бұрын

@theoperry3236 Cubs want to give you Paredes in the deal for sure. Issue is the Astros also want Suzuki and a top prospect. That's way too much to give for a 1 year rental

@mikestuhr2797 Ай бұрын

Get a great bullpen and play the youth. Maybe Cassie is Tucker , maybe Shaw NEXT MADLOCK. Horton next KERRY WOOD. AND HUSTLE , RUN RUN. AND BE FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND.