Why The Fnatic Dynasty Never Happened

Fnatic was a super team that was about to prove dynasties were still possible in 2023, but what happened? In this video we'll uncover exactly how Fnatic dominated most of 2023 but fell short in their final moments at Champions.
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00:00 Intro
01:49 Part 1 - Domination
08:17 Part 2 - Weaknesses
14:06 Part 3 - Kryptonite
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[@platoonval]

Point is not to flame Fnatic but to break down their game and seems like downfall had too negative of a connotation so I changed the title if anyone was wondering about prior comments.

[@catboyfloofy5604]

I think Derke or Boaster explained it best on the Fnatic channel. One if them said that they didn’t have time to change comps and stuff so people knew how to prepare agains’t them properly.

[@ExuCaliba]

True, they may have lost vs Loud, but at least we got to see Boaster twerk on stage again 💀

[@Dranzer2024]

Dude he has a girlfriend chill out

[@GamerGoonMC]

@@Dranzer2024nothing is stopping ExuCaliba

[@Airoekun]

When u r the best team, everyone is studying u, it is already impressive that fnatic won 2 in a row much less dominating their 2nd vct win and even still got 4th place for champions. What I'm trying to say is that maybe their analyst and stuff don't have enough time to study every team, but every time is studying them so every team has got anti strats against them. Additinally, some players will not always play to their best every tournament. Due to this, I can't wait to see if eg next year fall into this scenario or will they just diff every team

[@maibigbutt3746]

their individual talent is so high that even if they get heavily anti strated, one of their players can just go and carry some of the rounds by themselves. But ofc, against the top teams like EG, PRX and Loud, individual talent will not take you very far as your opponents can easily match you in firepower. Also from what I can see, Jawgemo, Boostio and Ethan are highly unlikely to stay with EG, they will not be the same team anymore if that's the case. Right now, only Fnatic and PRX has the most unchanged roster. Fnatic with a different Head Coach, and PRX with Monyet instead of Jinggg

[@keepups1586]

everyone is studying everyone. Fnatic is not the only team this applys to lol

[@Natty11100]

To be fair they only lost to loud and I don't think it was an analysis diff, I think loud is just their weakness even during lockin loud was the only team close to beating them even on their best map of icebox

[@Icy-ll5ie]

​@@keepups1586NRG must've really studied BLG then

[@Tofuitech]

RIP EG. Hopefully 100T or NRG will continue their legacy.

[@spacexdemo8254]

I thought how DRX played vs FNC on Bind was outrageous, just going for those hyper sgressive micro play and I thought it was ridiculous. But turns out it was actually an anti strat. Damn...

[@user-uc7gk4ch6s]

It was extremely different to how drx normally play so it had to be an anti strat. I'm just more surprised they didn't do more of that in the next 2 games

[@Sg190th]

Fnatic's first win is forever the best moment. The comeback is too iconic.

[@moiradelaturret]

Lots of people said bad things about Derke, and looks like it wasn't really his fault that they lost. Good analysis. I'm sure FNATIC will learn better and come back stronger.

[@er3n_genes1s21]

@@unbeatable617 Even the all time best players have bad games....

[@Baxx08]

💀

[@incognitobtd6187]

Bro found out why Mini was always malding.

[@freddiewilliams9939]

America's looked so strong last year with loud taking out the EMEA threats while EG took out the Pacific threats

[@ZechsGaming]

Your breakdowns are the best

[@slowflow__]

BRO dont mind Tuyz at 14:41 doing a jumping 360 LMAO

[@kifako_476]

XD didint even see it

[@lonk9858]

downfall is harsh

[@squartondeecee8318]

Nice video ❤

[@tomgentile4850]

R6 esports had a long run of a dynasty in penta and g2. from 2016-21

[@matheussantiago4572]

they were absolutely stacked and as much as i hate to say it, pengu, fabian and kanto are the absolute goats of the game. every single player in the penta/g2 roster could perform a miracle at any time

[@pandaway7599]

Ong the only thing that LOUD did was anti-strat FNATIC since Lock In, they’ve been plotting to revenge against FNC this entire time and make them look bad, they had one goal, beat FNC

[@its9301]

ever since lock-in fnatic wasn't that much of a problem for loud, fnatic winning lock-in was a fluke from loud's part

[@pkim0356]

Calling 4th place a downfall after winning two majors back to back is crazy. What next? "Why PRX need to drop their whole roster for not winning Champions"

[@zeratultasadarov401]

It’s a failure compared to their usual achievements

[@toenyfungus5409]

Thats not the point of this. If you couldn't understand the point maybe take of those biased shades cuz FNC had a MAJOR performance downfall compared to Tokyo in champs

[@sweettoxicity4980]

​@@zeratultasadarov401you dont understand most title like cs, league, apex, dota, if a team had won they dont really need to "prove" themself anymore especially for a back to back, being a top team (like top 4 here) is already enough to maintain their pro career

[@pkim0356]

@@zeratultasadarov401 yea, they underperformed. I'm not arguing against that. But downfall as it's used in the English language implies they're done for; like they're never gonna be as good, or that they're just bad now. None of those are true. With the roster changes to LOUD and PRX, and EG basically disbanding, I'd say FNATIC is easily ranked number 1 on power rankings again. And it's not even close. So the old title was just misleading and click baity.

[@MagykBear]

They lost emea finals to liquid fnatic has always been bad just got super lukcy in Tokyo EG only had 2 weeks to practice FNC had over a month

[@Kryogenix2]

Fnatic lost 3 times in 2023 and won 2 grand finals, i think it took teams a while to figure out how to counter their innovation and meticulous playstyle

[@enkels8330]

hey man, fnatic was in fact really good, but what was innovative about their playstyle? except from Fade on Lotus, they run pretty normal comps and strats in all the maps

[@Kryogenix2]

​@@enkels8330 They would get so much information and had unbeatable retakes, and would always get very strategic timings on attack

[@enkels8330]

@@Kryogenix2 taking their time to execute the retakes isnt innovative at all, many great teams in the past done it before like FPX or Gambit for example

[@Kryogenix2]

@@enkels8330 Fnatic just played very slowly and took advantage of timings because of how good of a read they had on the game, they just always had very strong game plans and a variety of set plays they used

[@enkels8330]

@@Kryogenix2 yeah, but we are talking about being inovating, remeber? playing slow is not inovating...

[@gau3131]

fair play to fnatic tho they even made a strat for their strat so it was inevitable for them to not falter at some point

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

things is better to play like paper rex which south east asia playstyle play aggresively to take control thats why play passive cost any game only play passive if u think and know how to counter them. Thats why in na and eu ranked server, me and my friends just play aggressive and they cant counter

[@bhuvansanju8571]

Boaster gonna watch this video and then they are unstoppable next year.

[@retrofying4761]

unfortunately not. They still love playing retakes and there was this one map on lotus where they played against this no initiator comp i think from FUT? Had like 3 sentis which locked down the post plant and made retakes pretty much impossible. And their run in Shanghai was just. Yeah.

[@bhuvansanju8571]

@@retrofying4761 Damn you waited 7 months to comment this? LOL just kidding, BTW yeah i think everyone who played FUT's lotus for the first time struggled a bit, and i think Fnatic definitely has the potential to beat the top teams in the world right now considering how they played vs GEN G , hopefully they come back stronger at champs 2024. FUT are a great team btw, but since they played fnatic like a 1000 times, Fut's coach or atleast the players definitely have an idea on how to beat them.

[@retrofying4761]

@@bhuvansanju8571 oh I just happened to watch this video haha and was wondering why current Fnatic was kind of underperforming? I wasnt a fan of their Atk side defaulting on Icebox and on one map they didnt leave any inserts and always got flanked from one side. Honestly im just here for a good match so I hope they can come back better haha

[@retrofying4761]

@@bhuvansanju8571 Oh, I think their split looks pretty decent compared to the one in this vid as they have a two duelist comp which can makeup for that lack of spacing.

[@zapshd]

However we as human always need a lose ,we can't just win all the time

[@Sugarist0]

The biggest reason why loud beat fnc, at least for me, was anti-strats, most apparent on lotus. Loud knew exactly what fnc’s default timing was, where they slowly aggress in all 3 mains so that teams won’t be sure which site they’re going. Problem with their default was that they showed pressure at each place in the same order in nearly every round, and loud was able to take space for free as soon as they knew fnc was in a default

[@kyowono]

tbh it just feels like loud has too good of a read on them, basically the only team that made them look human

[@fakeicecream552]

FNC got btfo’d on kickoff and failed to qualify for madrid, i think the teams figured out their style. damn valorant and its ever changing META

[@iplaybedwrs4500]

they should put alfa on raze derke on jett and chronicle viper if they ever need double duelist comps

[@Shin_sus]

RİGHT! Alfa should play Raze. He’s soo good on Raze!! I miss the old days :(

[@anghuyphamnguyen3096]

Double duelist and double controller? Bc boaster is def on smoke

[@iplaybedwrs4500]

@@anghuyphamnguyen3096 yes, geng are running double controller double duelist and it seems to be working for them 🤷‍♂️

[@shafialanower3820]

The answer is obvious Aspas and Less became their fathers in the series

[@er3n_genes1s21]

more like the kids did their homework of anti stratting..

[@51shloksalgaonkar29]

​@@er3n_genes1s21that's the only thing they did after dropping out of tokyo so early

[@er3n_genes1s21]

@@51shloksalgaonkar29 exactly. they got so much time to read fnatic's playstyle

[@ILOVEYEATMMA]

getting 4th doesnt mean much imo still the best team to ever play the game

[@uresfffff222]

you can't call them best without winning worlds.

[@spiritolaminato654]

@@uresfffff222yes you can. EG, LOUD and Acend aren’t the only contenders for best team of all time. If this was actually the case then everyone would save strats for champs, but no one actually does that. This isn’t LOL, masters and champs are way closer together than MSI and worlds

[@daro2404]

@@uresfffff222 Its literally just masters with higher price pool lol

[@andresmonterroza5424]

Well done this video explaining why Fnatic failed is amazing.

[@naizy]

ah yes going 4th one time after get 1st 1st 2st and then 1st is ofc a sign of them failing yes

[@pilly8481]

@@naizy2st🔥🔥

[@Bincone]

​@@naizygood thing we're all agreeing here!

[@fredmawe1839]

DRX fast and aggressive……..

[@melchuzz08]

Yo 40k views on this vid is actually criminally low wtf ;-;

[@savage2279]

meanwhile EG laughing in the corner

[@maibigbutt3746]

EG needs to have a roster to be able to laugh

[@marknovich1029]

​@@maibigbutt3746already won champs which fnatic can't even dream of

[@maibigbutt3746]

@@marknovich1029 yes mr random youtube commenter, you surely know which team dreams of what

[@RemoteTomb89920]

The thumbnail makes it look like they died or something

[@platoonval]

😂😂😂 hilarious comment honestly fair point hahaha

[@gustavobitencourt3892]

loud happend

[@sandhikneaj7029]

With mini gone Fnatic will definitely be weakened for 2024

[@landonborum2496]

We’re really calling getting 4th place once a failure Nguyen getting 4th is not bad

[@kylarcheng1346]

For an average team? Huge success. For the by far best team in the world? Yeah, bit of a failure, just a little

[@sterben1957]

With riot's stupid ass rule of no player can be changed in the whole season, Fnatic is one of the luckiest fucking team out of 30 franchised teams. Every team struggled till the end of season where Fnatic's super team was unchallenged because every team barely got their shit together until loud happened. Sliggy was talking about Fnatic's lotus where in the whole season no one could challenge them there when they ran the same strat every single time because all other emea franchise teams were too dogshit last season to put up a fight. I don't know what internal issues Loud had but the whole team seemed really united to want to fuck fnatic up as revenge for lock In.

[@deriboo177]

THE TRUTH

[@phm04]

we fell off

[@kiran3940]

Downfall.. 🚶💀 wtf..

[@thealiagator111]

People going "4th place is definitely 'failing'" and such... Getting 4th when you're the clear-cut favourite to win the biggest tournament of the year, expected to win without even dropping a single series, is, by all account, a failure. A CHOKE.

[@Fouriersuir]

???

[@Navch0]

fnatic 2023 is and will be the best team in val history, its almost imposible to keep the best lvl during the whole season, top 4 is not even close to be "a failure" dumbass

[@deftoneslover553]

found the loud fan

[@spiritolaminato654]

This is Valorant. The meta is constantly developing and changing. This is why winning 2 trophies, never mind in a row, never happened before Fnatic. Favourites doesn’t mean likely winners either. Let’s say the odds were FNC 40%, PRX 20%, EG 20%, etc. FNC still lose 60% of the time. You have a misunderstanding of the term “favourite”.

[@er3n_genes1s21]

Now lemme give this to u. When optic won iceland, they went on to finish 3rd at copenhagen and in copenhagen, optic were the only favourites to win copenhagen in the form they looked at the time after iceland. Would say that as a downfall now, when they finished 2nd at champs? Truly a pea brain moment

[@343JustMe]

Their fundamentals just went too long without getting fixed. We saw the cracks during the regional quals when they lost to liquid so bad. Thats ehy they still managed against other teams but not loud, loud is really good at punishing any holes and fundamental holes are the worst hole a top team can have. The spacing was so clearly off, individual performance was tanking other than alfa, their strats were stagnant, and a bunch of other reasons. They got anti strated sure but those fundamentals sealed their coffin

[@phm04]

Aware

[@xid17vishwarajsharma11]

I don’t think it’s a downfall, it’s just that Saadhak just cooked them

[@JasonHwang-hd1md]

DRX does not play fast

[@user-rl4do4xi3n]

Tbh the only team that could beat fnatic was loud its not that they had better aim or teamwork they are the best team at counterstrating fnatic so they lost on that props to both teams tho

[@nanachi2613]

Mf's who thirst for clicks will use the word "downfall" every chance they get, why don't you do the same for PRX since they made a Masters/Champions finals twice and lost both when Fnatic went 2/3 in 1 year and are considered 'failures'... Make it make sense

[@kifako_476]

Chill, just sit the fuck down, it aint that deep

[@turipleR]

Yeah they just got 2-0 by heretics

[@Mablon]

They just reverse sweeped heretics

[@namson2005]

@@Mablon they just bombed out of shanghai

[@jellevanslembrouck5013]

How is it a dynasty when they didn't even win emea

[@MrPierdole123]

A team goes what... 52 in 8? 52 in FUCKING 8? Downfall my ass xD. Why they didn't win champs? Because Potter is a fucking genius and Loud said "No u" after loosing with an 8 round advantage xD

[@uresfffff222]

champs just exposed fnatic's weakness i guess

[@brk029]

This breakdown doesnt make any sense how you analyse there play styke this is so incorrect

[@jpeg_f1le]

The true reason why Fnatic placed 4th: Dodging the champions curse 😎👌

[@sxnchou]

LOUD 💚💚💚💚

[@phillg.1075]

Look everyone, a team that has won back to back champions, couldn't get their third. They are literally crumbling. What a downfall.

[@OKBUDDY21]

Literally nothing happened to them, loud just hard countered them like crazy and they lost it’s simple as that

[@bruhdosky8073]

boaster is mad annoying and theyre mid

[@AutomobileV]

boy thats cap like G2's midlaner

[@ethanwood1737]

Most rational loud fan:

[@er3n_genes1s21]

least sane Br0nzil fan:

[@51shloksalgaonkar29]

Bro is mad because his team couldn't win two trophies back to back

[@naizy]

ah yes going 4th one time after get 1st 1st 2st and then 1st is ofc a sign of them failing yes

[@Wuanjunior]

I mean they "failed" to get 1st

[@glxyzera7532]

ah yes, 2st

[@realtheodore]

ah yes, 2st

[@pshkenzo7973]

they were expected to win like even without loosing a single map yes they performed well 2 events really good but he is not saying they failed as a team this year he is saying they failed in terms of our expectations we expected them to win dominatly and they didnt so yes they failed our expectations thats it man how much stupid can you be to not even understand it