Why The Ford Coyote is SUPERIOR To the LS!

[@mikebennett703]

One thing the coyote and ls have in common is U.S.A 💪💪🔥🔥

[@uniquehouse892]

Built in Mexico brought to you by Walmart

[@mikebennett703]

@@uniquehouse892 Lol! More like Canada for the 'yote and Michigan for the ls...

[@SkiRacingOz]

@@mikebennett703 and one thing they both do is still get beat by Aussie engines that cost less like the turbo Barra

[@mikebennett703]

@@SkiRacingOz 👍Turbo Barra's are BAD ASS!

[@SkiRacingOz]

@@mikebennett703 that they are, though a coyote or Ls is better for a big ol American muscle car just for the sound and because those muscle cars are big fatties

[@MustangGuru]

Take a drink every time he says “stock bottom end”. Lol. 🤪

[@chrism.728]

Ford has the new iron block for Coyote called the Werewolf, but that's definitely going to add weight. Should be able to handle big power.

[@robquin2460]

Why is no one talking about this?

[@chrism.728]

@@robquin2460 Not really sure. Ford announced it months ago and I still haven't seen anyone use it in racing applications.

[@Oliver-ft2fq]

@@chrism.728 I guess they gave up on that idea considering MMR sells a billet coyote block that handles 4000 hp which should also be lighter than an iron block.

[@chrism.728]

@Oliver 101 Yeah, it looks like that Werewolf iron block was a flop...lol. Yeah, MMR and Accufab both have billet block options for the Coyote V8 now.

[@joshievids70]

I’m glad u did this these ls kids are annoying 😂😂😂

[@DavidVanVoris]

JoshieVids lmfao

[@god1st.530]

@@DavidVanVoris F a Ford. The hole world really don't mess with yall. You believe in goggle rt . Then goggle it

[@DavidVanVoris]

John Salary *whole* *google* 😎

[@philllsxga.7737]

KZbin LS Lamborghini. KZbin LS Ferrari. KZbin LS Winnebago. KZbin stock bottom end record. KZbin k. P. Mustang. KZbin most patriotic turbo LS mustang. KZbin LS 9 mustang. KZbin 7 second LS mustang. KZbin LS fest. KZbin LSx Challenger. KZbin LS RAM. KZbin LS Duster. KZbin why the LS is so good. And A MUST WATCH!!! KZbin LS vs coyote shootout 😁

[@thedalehayes3]

Better*

[@KristenBrooke_]

Your willing to build if I purchase fox body and coyote motor .. ?

[@DavidVanVoris]

Brooke Lasater yes please

[@austinchapman681]

@@DavidVanVorisI got a gen 3 out of f150 and a 91 foxbody.... let's make it happen

[@kylevantassel7259]

David , I am a bit older than you and I have been to the rodeo . I have a 9.00 Fox out in the shop right now that is 302 based non power adder. Ford has always done more with less and always will. Think about it for a minute . Ford is the benchmark. Every brand is chasing the little 302 with 400 and above cubic inch and then talking a bunch of smack when they out run it. Apples to apples Ford comes out on top every time hands down and not just a little on top. I am sure the butt hurt cream will start flowing but I am just giving you the facts and a history thats 40 years long building cars and racing in different arenas . There was a time when multiple 383s just couldnt run down my little 281 time and time again and I mean they werent even close. Look I get it , the LS is what the bail out brand boys have to run so roll with that . But Comparing that to MOST ford engines is a joke.

[@Blznstang]

Kyle Van Tassel YUP YUP VERY TRUE IM BUILDING MY YOTE FOR STREET CAR ACTION AND MY LITTLE PUSHROD 306 DSS IS GUN BE THE RACECAR HURT N FEELINGS 🇺🇸💯

[@keithfelder1451]

So true.

[@jordancook5171]

How about that voodoo motor 😊 🐍 is life

[@johnknight4824]

Yall seem to forget gm took a v6 yrs ago in grand national mustangs vettes couldnt touch it

[@kylevantassel7259]

@@johnknight4824 hahahaha . All GM and dodge owners have a script I think. Yes so how did gm actually do in grand national ?

[@marco5.025]

Im currently doing a gen 3 coyote and 10r80 in a 91 fox. Hopefully I can do 9s all motor I seen people do it

[@marco5.025]

Ima get some turbos on it , I’ll test it out

[@BarnfindGT]

10r80 fox...that’s gonna be wild 🔥😂

[@slowninja14]

That's my dream build(91-93 notch)!

[@marco5.025]

Cookymunster yessir , I just need the Ford control pack and drive shaft and it’s running

[@5280CO]

Should be pretty easy a gen 1 been a 9.7

[@JLSpeed]

Yeah, the downfall for the coyotes are that they are very expensive compared to the ls to begin with, even junkyard coyotes are in the 2-3k range and like you mentioned with the oil pump gears being pretty fragile and a known failure point if you got a used coyote you would have to do the oil pump gears no matter what since the engine would be out anyways lol.

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

Jorge Loves Speed but those are only $400-$500 and since you’re getting a pullout motor anyways they’ll be easy to replace. Just for a little extra safety throw in some head studs and you’re good for way more power than an LS

[@camarosaregay7943]

A junkyard 5.3 with eBay turbos wont last more than a month

[@OGbqze]

@@camarosaregay7943 Trash statement.

[@mvc2177]

Downfall of the coyote” lol. No that’s the downfall to broke boys

[@toxicity6629]

@@camarosaregay7943shouldn’t use turbos too much heat supercharged by ford for a reason. They do this sht bro

[@JBROWN3830]

I love the coyote platform. No match at higher rpms’. I believe your car could have went into the high 7’s. Take care Dave!!!💪🏼

[@AmaAndZing]

“No match at high rpms@ lol boiii

[@thedalehayes3]

RPM’s dont matter lmao

[@JBROWN3830]

The Swole Dolphin oh yes they do....

[@cemsengul16]

You know it! When other cars are shifting and falling out of their peak powerband, the GT is still revving and accelerating with the 10 speed transmission.

[@AmaAndZing]

@@thedalehayes3 even if they did, this kid thinks v8 engines sound best at high rpms lmao F1 car SHIT on them at high rpms so do inline 6 engines like RB26 aswell as some v10s like the Lexus LFA etc this kid... lmao

[@diamondsintherough-sportsp1609]

People who don't like the Coyote, don't understand technology, while those LS's and Mopars are breathing through one nostril, the Coyote is breathing through both. Cube for cube no V8 will match the Coyote, it punches way above its weight. DVV Way smarter than your average Bear. Love your content.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Thanks man

[@fordmustang4584]

Omg that was nicely put down into words coyote are dominating

[@RBZ06LT6]

What??? Theres is way more tech on an LS engine than a Cayote. An LS will produce more hp per pound and gallon. Pkus its lighter and smaller. Who cares about high rpm. Transmissions were made for that. Keep dreaming! The LS is superior in many ways and yall Ford fanboys can keep circle jerking off together, it wont change basic facts!😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@diamondsintherough-sportsp1609]

@@RBZ06LT6 you just proved everything i said.

[@RBZ06LT6]

Diamond's In The Rough - Sports Player Management yeah ok! Been working on engines for 23 years now so i might not understand "technology" right. That Ford’s DOHC engine has nothing special at all. Its just like the 5.7 found in the Tundra for a reference. Nothing to brag about. If you were talking about the fpc in the 350, id say ok, theres not a lot like those. Technology has nothing to do with the displacement or the engine configuration. It has more to do with all the rest. Btw, DOHC engines are older tech than OHV engines. GM has been building DOHC v8s since the 70s lol. Nothing new there.

[@chadkent1241]

Totally with you on this brother. If you're unfamiliar with the engine Masters challenge it's the greatest engine builders in the country once a year meet at West Tech and given a loose set of rules they see which engine can make the most average power through their predetermined RPM band and the one-year(2013) the modular Motors were allowed to run against pushrod engines it was a clean Podium sweep for the Fords 1,2,3. The ls guys bitched so much after 2013 there's now two classes of engines being overhead cam and cam in Block. No two valve head can ever match the power production of a 4 valve head given the same cylinder dimension

[@DavidVanVoris]

Chad Kent yes I saw some of it! Thanks chad

[@shawnsanders9450]

Well, OBVIOUSLY no 2 valve head can complete with a 4 valve head with the same bore. However, that's not how it works in the real world because a Modular/Coyote will never be able to get the same bore size so usually the LS and now LT stuff will flow more. LS engines can generate 454 ci with physical exterior dimensions smaller than a DOHC Ford. The LS stuff is just cheaper too. Now when you start cramming stupid amounts of boost at a engine I agree the DOHC Ford is better.

[@diamondsintherough-sportsp1609]

@@shawnsanders9450 and your point is?

[@shawnsanders9450]

@@diamondsintherough-sportsp1609 I made it. Read.

[@jlo13800]

Coyote is a 2 stroke and LS is a 4 joke but there are some sick 2 stroke conversions out there:www.4btswaps.com/attachments/2cyclesbc-jpg.6839/. i got a small block v8 on brp-xd-100 oil and intend to rig up a VRO pump into the intake. I heard the coyote is got electroninc controled VRO for oil injection not sure though.

[@no_ez5050]

Mark Fields has gone 8.50’s in his daily driven F-150 with a 6R80. Engine is stock other than OPG’s. Show me an LS doing the same. I’ll wait.

[@danielsullivan9865]

Check out street races in Northern California Billy Spain red 240Z stock 6.0 with twin 66 mm tractor turbos running 8.0 kicking everybody's ass on the street he sold it to a rich kid in Southern California he's doing the same you could see it on Street Outlaws Memphis. Chris hyndman with the red RX7 just one of 40 car shootout Barstow Saturday night with a 4 inch stroke 6.0 block. It's no secret that 4 cam motor is much Superior to a pushrod motor but those little LS Motors dollar-for-dollar are hard to beat on the street

[@02autogt]

@@danielsullivan9865 comparing LS engines in a 240 and a RX7 to a stock Coyote in a truck, lol!

[@vette2763]

Daniel Sullivan he sold it to @thatsteezykid btw

[@no_ez5050]

Daniel Sullivan , I’m not talking about swaps. I’m talking about an LS in a Chevy pickup with a stock long block running 8.50 full weight. Do you know of one?

[@danielsullivan9865]

@@no_ez5050 I own and drive a F-150 but I guarantee it doesn't run 8:50 and none of them do but if you add a big enough turbo to anything it will run 850 with the right setup. I agree with you that the Ford is a far superior motor but for Brute Force simplicity and dollars it's hard to beat an LS. Here in Northern California 530 they dominate on the streets but not necessarily at the track like the pissed off pumpkin Mustang incredibly fast

[@Young5.0]

LS fan boys... show me a stock Longblock 5th gen / 6th gen Camaro or c6, c7 vette in the 8s with stock heads and cam. LS boys need Heads/cam just to compete.

[@michaelling3295]

Do Chevy/GMC make nice cars, why is it that these Chevy boys love to drop their engine in a Ford?

[@krash22mini72]

Michael Ling no they don't make a good car that's why they put their engines in Fords because they know they are better

[@GmAmericanpower]

How many valves are in a Top fuel funny car or rail......🤔 16 or 32?

[@GmAmericanpower]

BasedGodMelt of coarse they do the Coyote reaches like almost 100% volumetric efficiency N/A it's all about air flow, I.C.E. are just air compressors, the Coyote is the best bang for the buck boosted hands down...quick question how many Coyotes are racing in Street Outlaws no prep..🤔 the Coyotes are amazing to a point..but the big boys all run 16 valves.....

[@19coyote5oh9]

@@GmAmericanpower Well the "big boy" C8 Will finally get a 32v V8 which is well overdue in the Corvette. Then it will truly be a supercar. A pushrod has no business in a sports car. Keep the 16v in muscle cars and trucks.

[@mikes7405]

02 camaro with exhaust, stall, and tune. finally the new 10 speed stang has me covered. lol time for a cam and my almost 20 year old car will be ahead again

[@michaelgeremesz5127]

That's funny

[@mikes7405]

@@michaelgeremesz5127 it is funny! I now have heads and cam, put 440 to the tires. Bolt on e 85 new coyote with Lund tune putting down the same. I weigh a lot less, so guess who gets gapped! Fun times out here with 20 year old ls!

[@SlowerThanU]

Literally the only reason why people should like LS over coyote... because you can get them for a couple hundred bucks.Only reason I am using one 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DavidVanVoris]

It’s the truth! Hard to beat for the price

[@joelopez5018]

The coyote is basically like Honda’s k20, rev it to the moon, high compression and loves boost. And reliable to boot. Just my .2 cents.

[@joelopez5018]

@Jerry Olson here, take this fat L… when has the coyote had “longevity” issues? 🤣.

[@Arrozconchopsticks]

Seen someone else say the same, that the Coyote is like a V8 K Series.

[@lacboiatl]

I like all v8s. I've owned a lc3 and currently have a lm7 with 408k. There's no brand when it comes to fast, just get down the track

[@28fabianz1]

exactly. these dudes in the comments simping for companies AFTER modding the fuck out of them anyway lol

[@amarqzm5082]

Funny how so many fox body owners get a LS 😂

[@BrandonCockridge18]

Cuz its cheaper lol

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

Is he saying the Coyote is superior to the LS because the Coyote hasn't been as fast as the LS? That is an extremely poor way of getting your point across, David.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Baby-Shark GTO lmfao

[@greasemonkey258]

Coyote is SUPERIOR to the LS, now that's a bold statement! The coyote makes great HP per liter by design because of the DOHC/VVT design, HP = Torque x RPM and the math doesn't lie. Superior to the LS, in that way...to say that they're superior to the LS like you stated in your title without specifying in which ways is just incorrect. As tired as some people may be of hearing "LS SWAP!!!" like I am, the coyote is not flat out superior but in fact in a lot of ways its inferior to the LS family of engines. The coyote is physically larger making it more cumbersome and difficult to swap when the two are compared and not as user/builder friendly and that's the reason so many people go the LS route along with the cost of the unit, aftermarket parts availability, and sheer potential of the engines. Mild, wild, to insane the average gearhead can build whatever they want of various displacement and power levels and still have a strong reliable engine. I wish people would do their research and separate fact from fiction, I love building engines of all kinds and I'm not plagued with brand loyalty. Build/drive/race what you love but don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for doing so. I know I'll get flak from the Ford fanboys about this but I don't care, I've heard it all in this line of work "coyotes can't handle more than 600hp" "Chevy stole the LS design from Ford" I don't care, I love LS engines, I love my daily driver that happens to be a boosted coyote (built by me) and small block/big block Fords and Chevys, even some old school Mopars. I'm an educated gearhead, feel free to be creative in the comment section.

[@tylergonzalez320]

Why do you mean by “chevy stole the Ls design from Ford”?

[@troylambert5140]

Speed cost so the real question is how fast do you want to go?.... Still much much cheaper to do it with a Chevy LS

[@thiccdaddydiesel]

There’s a guy in one of the Coyote Fox Body groups on Facebook who’s gone low 5’s in the 1/8 on a 235 with a Gen 2 Coyote and a single 88mm.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Badass!

[@marquesmoss5283]

Coyote still needs a GM transmission to do it right 😆

[@brianstough5286]

The LS was made from 1997 (1996?) until 2013... Coyote is from a different decade? almost two decades later? And 4ord is just catching up to 1990's technology!?!?! Is this something 40rd fan boys are proud of??

[@anthonyrowland9072]

"20ft tall and 20ft wide, Coyoneroooo, coyonerooo..." Also, are full aftermarket controllers for swaps still like $2500? "wanna use that VVT, you need another $500 box" lmao

[@RBZ06LT6]

The tittle shouldve been. " why Ford boys are still salty about the LS even to this day"🤣🤣

[@jkheslekrants]

100% Spot on haha!!

[@19coyote5oh9]

Coyote is king period.

[@marcojordan1368]

LS is the king period

[@19coyote5oh9]

@@marcojordan1368 King of the junkyard😁

[@marcojordan1368]

19 coyote 5oh fuck your got damn bitch coyote motor bruh they is trash

[@joeleaton7187]

I agree with you coyote is king the Ls is a want a be Windsor with dodge small block pision rods you can swap windsor heads on the Ls . Ether Ford helped Gm with the Ls or Chevrolet just copying Ford, which is likely. I should know I been a round General motor's all my life , I'm from Flint Michigan I can remember everyone having a Gm car or truck . And now just a third of them are Gm over three. The Ls isn't in the some level as the coyote engine .

[@19coyote5oh9]

@@marcojordan1368 English much?

[@vxer1000]

Best thing about the Coyote is how lofty the ceiling is with a stock unopened motor. Someone killing you at the track in your 11 second Mustang with their $75k Mercedes? Spend $10k on a blower, clutch and half-shafts and dust him off like a bad memory. The Coyote is what hot rodding is all about.

[@joserodriguezjr.6422]

Laughs in "LS".....*sips coffee * And why do I see much more people LS swapping in everything...other cars,, boats, planes, yeap.

[@ExileXCross]

because LSs are smaller therefore fit in most places a coyote couldn't without extensive mods to engine bay making the swaps less complicated. more complicated = more co$t. Whenever a Coyote fits I go with that, LS when it doesn't.

[@joserodriguezjr.6422]

@@ExileXCross SIZE is not the main reason why most people choose LS over coyotes....😆.

[@SpeedProductions]

Most ford guys arent junkyard racing... blocks are pretty expensive to just destroy them when it slings apart. The Capizzi guy is a straight up proven car and im sure it was well setup and proven before the stock engine went in. they arent killing it just lining the car out like most combos. I think it would be a fun project if you already had a 25.5 or better car sitting there fore sure.

[@HellcatDreaminJosh]

David Van Voris Great Video I'm glad the Tang Stangs Trans is going to be Built so it can handle more and I think Coyotes and LSs are both Awesome and Happy Belated Memorial day to everyone in your Family that has or is Serving our Country and Congratulations on getting 36k Subs

[@Albertgermanaro-fs7yf]

I know , I know , but take a look at the Godzilla. Parts are in the LS cost, junk yard prices are similar to the LS's and they make big power cheap!

[@CJ-ws5sd]

I owned a coyote mustang. Drove many an LS and currently drive a LT1 camaro. Here’s the real story: the LS is better in every way you can judge it against the coyote except for 3 things. 1. Volumetric efficiency aka HP/L. This is a nonsense argument. It truly does not matter. I repeat, this is not a valid argument. Want proof? The rotary engine from a 90’s era RX7 is better than both the LS and coyote if you measure performance by this metric. Stop it. 2. Higher revs: this, once again.....does not matter. What does matter, in terms of rpm capability, is ‘how much power under the curve.’ The LS makes more power under more torque curve aka a longer portion of the rpm band, than the coyote. It’s been proven. Sit down. 3. Handles boost like a gem: this is a valid argument and I commend the coyote here. Conclusions: the LS is better because it’s cheap, cheap to build up, compact, lightweight and makes gobs of torque thanks to more cubic inches. More cubic inches is better, not worse.

[@camarosaregay7943]

Top end is wayyy better obviously on modular v8s than pushrod engines. Cheaper but not by much, snd yes easier to work on but not by much. All preference

[@sandwafle8091]

I really want to see a coyote vs 7.3 godzilla

[@steveyork8069]

JACOB MILLER it’s out there REVan Evan KZbin channel will be selling complete kits soon!

[@sandwafle8091]

@@steveyork8069 ik I just want to see a 7.3 swapped fox race against a coyote swapped fox

[@soytupadre7887]

👌👌👌 7.3 is going to be sick

[@sandwafle8091]

@@soytupadre7887 yea hopefully there will be good after market I know whipple has or is still in development of a super charger, turbo kits are easy and hopefully there will be good cams for it as well as other engine parts like valve springs or heads

[@hardone4608]

Godzilla vs LS

[@dwaynejackman3885]

They are both good engine’s...all fun .

[@prestonmiller5428]

“I’m not a ford fanboy” I though he was kidding as he said that in front of a massive dodge demon😂

[@troylambert5140]

Fortunately we have both cars at my house my wife has second generation coyote mustang GT I of course have my old school f-body LS Chevy.. I think the coyote mustang is a very very good car especially for daily driving and mild builds somewhere under 700 rear wheel horsepower or so if you want the thing to live for a while I'm sure they are capable of much more but we just need to see it becoming a norm out here on the streets most guys just running a loud exhaust and a cool air intake. The Chevy LS has spent the better part of the last 20 years or so proving that there's not much that you cannot do with that engine platform. I will never sell my LSX f body Camaro in fact I'm looking for more of them... But I really like the S550 coyote mustangs also they feel really refined and it's a nice smooth running little engine that has plenty of power on the top of the Rev range

[@1manarmyguzman629]

5.0 Coyote badass murican muscle! 💪💪👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@CJColvin]

It sure is brother.

[@drewinhou]

Both engines are bad ass. LS or Coyote. You will like both of them.

[@Off-Roadgang1]

I've been saying this from the start finally we can assemble an army of 5.0's to go gap ever LS in the world hellllllll yeaAaàaaaaaa brother

[@jimmyboone2072]

@brent savage you must watch Cletus McFarland

[@Off-Roadgang1]

@@jimmyboone2072 hell yeaaaa u gotta watch the boi cleat or else u losing bald eagles

[@gtpro700]

Brent Savage cleat drives LS motors though....,

[@Off-Roadgang1]

@@gtpro700 but hes a dam good American that's why hellllllll yeaAaàaaaaaa brother

[@jkheslekrants]

@@gtpro700 You must not know bout his current Favorite Car Neighbor. Neighbor is a Crown Vic with a 6-speed manual, powered by a 900hp 5.4L outta a GT500. Cleet loves Power Period. He predominately races Chevy engines true. He wants to win races, who wouldn't. But, he Loves power. American Power. His truck is a Cummins His Race Car is a Chevy His Holligan Car is a Ford

[@twistedtec802]

I have a single turbo first gen in a 2000 BMW 540 wagon.Big injectors and e85 for now. I like anything that goes fast. Coyote is king for stock. Money is the limiting factor for most realizing this.

[@EroticMotionShufflin]

Bro sick build. I had a 2000 540i sedan and man for 3300 i had the best time of my fucken life with that car. Torque is instant, sounds absolutely AMAZING. Sadly my timing chain guides failed me 😪

[@greggreen1426]

Have a friend building a NA coyote in a VERY, VERY light fox body (like sub 2200lbs). Clutchless 5 speed, etc. It's in the chassis shop now. Once the NA becomes "ho-hum", he's going to put some boost to it...

[@CJColvin]

The Coyote V8 is by far the best V8 in the planet.

[@wellthatdidntwork]

BRO, SOMEBODY HAD TO SAY THIS!!!! The LS guys use cams so throw custom cams in it also and go low 4s! And im a diehard mustang guy and use mustang engines only. Ijs! I hope you can prove to these guys how strong these coyotes really are. Everyone wants to test on the dollar amount which IS NOT gonna be fair and real gearheads know that. Parts for parts i think the yote will edge out an LS in a similar weight foxbody roller...period.

[@vette2763]

We use **1** cam and our cam kits cost half of what a coyote cam kit would cost...

[@jkheslekrants]

Also, the LS engines that are being used are put of trucks that redline at 5800rpm... if you can't understand why a camshaft swap is needed to make power... then you shouldn't ever build an engine.

[@chrissagredo7129]

Vette SND coyote doesn’t need replacement cams because it has variable cam timing.

[@jonnykool9931]

@@jkheslekrants LMAO yea so you have to change the cams oh and the cast crank in the truck engine is weak too and the powdered metal rods...so really there is nothing "stock" on your stock bottom end motors except the block and maybe the pistons. We're talking about stock bottom end engines in this entire thread and you guys go into a tangent about needing to change everything to compete. Thanks for proving our point. (Also if you use a F150 Coyote they also have smaller cams for more low end but you can still make 400hp easy with the small cams lol). We don't give 2 shits about the cost of cams either because Coyotes can make 1000hp with the stock cams and NO GM engines won't do that so we can save our money while you dudes buy cam and lifter kits.

[@jimcrawford3259]

@@vette2763 which is why an ls is considered a budget build

[@Wilsonandcars]

Bear makes a coyote ultra block I do believe .. but none the less I agree if you had that setup in a fox no doubt it would of went 7s

[@DavidVanVoris]

Really? 🤗

[@Wilsonandcars]

David Van Voris bearblockmotors.com/shop/5-0l-coyote-ultra-block/

[@dailydriven2704]

Even you said it in the video. Only thing stock about that LS was the bottom end. He has cam, upgraded heads, Probly ported, valve springs etc. what you did with a 100% from factory engine is far more impressive.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Daily Driven exactly

[@jkheslekrants]

Disagree entirely. The 5.3 is FAR more impressive. You're comparing a Mustang engine that's designed to rev to 7500rpm out the gate vs an engine that likely came out of a Tahoe that was designed to rev to 5800. From what I saw in The Capizi video his engine is runnin to about 7500rpm. So in effect all he did was balance out the playing field. There are LS engines out there revvin over 11,000 rpm 🤷🏼‍♂️ Stock bottom end is what is impressive. The Chevy internals are cast components, not forged like the Fords yet the Chevy is still makin enough power to run mid 4s in the 8th. Not only that but the 5.3 is ~ 10:1 Compression with 325ci to the Gen 3 Coyotes 12:0 and 307ci The 5.3 is also physically smaller, lighter and utilizes 3 less camshafts and 16 less valves. No matter which way ya shake it the LS is the Superior Platform.

[@dailydriven2704]

Jon K Heslekrants I can agree with some of what you said. But stock for stock there’s no comparison that the coyote motor stomps the muf flaps out of any LS. Regardless of how impressive it is, we’re talking about a motor that’s been out and everything imaginable has been done and tested for that platform. The coyote motor has been out for 10 years and there just hasnt been someone that has hit fuck it to dump their time and energy into R&D for the coyote platform. Stock motor coyotes have nearly broken into the 4’s. STOCK. No head work, cams stock manifold, or anything else. There’s room for improvement all around for the coyote. It just takes that one person to go and do it. I’m not saying the coyote will/would be faster. But I think it’s he closer than some people would think at the end of the day.

[@jkheslekrants]

Been watchin ya from the beginning Sir and I know this kinda banter is what you were after but I I strongly disagree. The Coyote Platform is 100% brilliant but there is not one example that supports it being superior. Everything it's doing now has already been done by the LS. It's now been 23yrs since the debut of the LS Platform and at best these latest Ford engines can be compared as performance equivalents. I Love them both. Owned them both. Raced them both. Dailyed them both. Nothin about the Coyote would grant it the title of being the Superior Platform 🤷🏼‍♂️. Just is what it is brother. Keep up the excellent content! I have mad respect for you and your bitchin build.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Agreed the LS was ahead of its time. Thanks for the love 💪🏻

[@Frosty_coyote]

That’s why I beat a 5.0 in my Ls1 with just intake and full exhaust 🥺

[@Fr3sh-Kush]

Paperwork and video evidence?? Instagram?

[@RBoysMedia]

That’s cause he wasn’t racing😂💀

[@adamdesjarlais8183]

Not likely lmao.

[@Frosty_coyote]

@@adamdesjarlais8183 very likely because it happened

[@adamdesjarlais8183]

@@Frosty_coyote only thing that likely happened was shit streaks in your shorts

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

David Van Voris you should check out the joker fox body driven by Carlos Sabrino. He’s running 9.40s in the 1/4 mile with a factory sealed bone stock gen 1 coyote crate engine. Less than 400 hp

[@cannoncolossus2449]

I dislike fan boys. Either engine is great. There are pros and cons to both. People go nuts when you put a GM engine in a Ford but say nothing when you swap a Powerglide or TH400. It’s all tribalism BS.

[@DavidVanVoris]

I agree

[@rylanspringer05]

Alot of ppl go ls for displacement

[@dougwilliams3296]

Very well said David 👍 Like you I had lots of cars Chevy and Ford ..I agree🤔😁

[@iamjam821]

I sure wish I had the money to do it, I have a stock Gen 1 Coyote short block that’s been sitting in storage for 2 years. I would love to see it in a foxbody. I even thought of putting it in my ‘98 Sonoma with a clutchless 5 speed and just rev it to the moon. But as it is, if you or anyone else wants to start their run on the LS boys with a stock bottom end Coyote, hit me up. I hate to see a good engine just sitting in a corner.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Would be sweet

[@JackTheSkunk]

I am one of those guys who can't even diagnose a burned out headlight but I have a question for all you gearheads out there. Do you think FORD could build a Coyote engine with a turbo (or 2) PLUS cylinder deactivation? Seems like that would be an ideal engine for relatively good fuel economy with plenty of power when you need it.

[@0VER.]

Coyote FTW

[@DavidVanVoris]

Boom 💪🏻

[@ronrabun5441]

How about a voodoo in a fox body

[@StockGT350]

Gen 2 voodoos are legit

[@fread51]

Midway Mustang has one and it's nasty you can look them up on Instagram

[@keepout7439]

I agree 💯, Some one I'm sure is working on that Coyote now, we will see this summer or fall for sure. I would run the rear you got until you have all parts or it breaks💯🏁👍

[@marksiniard9731]

Bear Block Motors makes a cast aftermarket block for $5,000

[@Hanibul_Lecktor]

Wait, Ford has a Iron Coyote it was at PRI 2019

[@fread51]

Yes the werewolf block descent is capable of 2,000hp

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

billy heaton there’s been aluminum block coyotes making 2500 wheel already

[@robquin2460]

Joshua Earnheart where ? I wanna see

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

Rob Quin24 kzbin.info/www/bejne/moGYkJKhgaydfrs It’s in the first 1:30. Green car

[@robquin2460]

Joshua Earnheart thing is a monster. Would it actually handle the power turned up tho is the question and for how long

[@roscoepcoltrane23]

The coyote is a great engine. Would be cool to see what you could do on a stock bottom end. Also looking forward to seeing what happens with the new 7.3.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Fax

[@EroticMotionShufflin]

Saw a guy run 7s with a SBE

[@motarted1735]

No one builds stock bottom end coyotes because they tend to break. Once the motor is out it's idiotic to not build the coyote bottom end when it's a known failure point.

[@keithfelder1451]

LS uses ford design heads and intake, thats the only way LS makes power, good vid.

[@marcojordan1368]

L S is make more power

[@felixgalvan1675]

What if we send you some money to see this foxbody coyote swap happen

[@DavidVanVoris]

Adventures with Blanca lol let’s do it 💀😂

[@AlekseiBykov]

Coyote 100% more potential then LS

[@christopherwest285]

People who think Læssø are cheaper are stuck in 2010 through 2013 that is not the case pick up the phone or open google and compare the price between a real LS like an LS three or an LS two to the price of a coyote GEN two origin three in my experience from working at a dealership and having to call around and get quotes all the time eight GEN three coyote is a lot cheaper than an LS three it revs higher. It sounds way better because it’s dual overhead cam and he could handle 1000 hp without having to touch anything inside of the motor you can’t do that with any LS , my buddy who is a diehard Chevy guy just picked up a GEN two coyote and is planning on boosting it

[@gypsymustrick]

Somebody should tell all those LS guys to stop using mustang Fox body’s to get their numbers let’s see if they can do an F body Camaro or Trans Am

[@DavidVanVoris]

Beast 5.0 truth

[@SquirrelTuned]

Those are fighting words. 👀

[@DavidVanVoris]

Luv you bye

[@SquirrelTuned]

@@DavidVanVoris too many cams to even talk to me. 😔

[@greenwaytruckinginc6134]

@@SquirrelTuned don't need cams. That's the difference. That pushrod do.

[@SquirrelTuned]

@@greenwaytruckinginc6134 technically you do need cams. I don't think it'd run very good without any.

[@greenwaytruckinginc6134]

@@SquirrelTuned the pushrod do. Not the DOHC. Mine run damn good without them. My partner's Gen 2 Coyote have some and it don't run any better than mine without them. I'm going to get cams though.

[@s550tv8]

Stock Motor Coyote 1200whp 8sec Gang Period!

[@ryanmerrill8879]

I am almost done my Twin turbo (6266) Gen 2 coyote and 6R80 in a 93 coupe. The 6R will probably hold me back but im sticking with that for now. The motor is bone stock, even the OPG;s. I paid $2500 for my 10K kms Gen 2 F150 engine.

[@DavidVanVoris]

Badass

[@agentstevehaines9164]

LS is straight LEGENDARY. Ford has never even come close to designing anything that good LOL. It has remained almost unchanged in over 2 decades because it is so damn good. Modern LS (LT) makes almost 1 hp per pound of engine and is much more fuel efficient and realiable than any equivalent NA ford engine.

[@uniquehouse892]

Agreed.

[@SkylineBNR34]

The LS is just a Copy of the Ford Windsor.

[@agentstevehaines9164]

@@SkylineBNR34 no the Chevy pushrod v8 pre dates the windsor by 7 years. If anything Ford copied them in the 50s. Chevy set the stardard with the first gen Silverado in 99 and Ford never came close. Ford's modern dual turbo v6 truck engines are a whole different can of worms.

[@Edsrt-]

Mopar eco-friendly they run on the tears Mustang owners🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔

[@kennethsheriff9340]

Stick shift record L S 1/4 mile record L S ? Just saying

[@jrvbamafan1]

The LS has been around since 1463.....the coyote has been around since 2011....just saying

[@jkheslekrants]

@@jrvbamafan1 1997 lol. Regardless you're correct, it has been around for a long ass time. But with all these records still in the hands of the LS all that proves is as of today the LS is the superior platform. Despite Ford having 23yrs to develop an engine that could potentially dethrone it.. they have yet to do so 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@midnight347]

@@jkheslekrants ill bet those records weren't set with a 5 liter ls. I'm sure they were packing big cubes.

[@betoq_z2855]

I’m a Chevy boy but I am currently trying to put together a 1st gen Ford lightning and I really want to put a coyote in it

[@jrgalloway86]

Breathing in normally with my eyes closed...

[@DavidVanVoris]

Lmfao

[@CoyoteFTW]

LS fangirl comments incoming...

[@DavidVanVoris]

Fax

[@velr50gt]

The truth is coyotes break a lot more than LS engines. Coyotes are expensive and complicated. Nobody can’t arque this with me since I’ve had both. Right now running a fox body with a 350 based “Ford” Dart block. Love both bands but you can’t deny reality.

[@GrandPitoVic]

Brother I have a 03' crown vic and would love to put a Gen 2 5.0L and a 6R80 in her. But like you said they are expensive. Ls's are cheap and the parts to swap them are cheap. I was looking at the Gen 2 and. T-56 6 speed and the swap kit with a new T-56 is 8 grand not including the engine. Between 3 and 5 grand for a pullout is expensive. You can get a high milage truck engine for 2800 and up. I can pull a LS at my U-Pull it for $350 and $50 for the harness and $50 for the computer and $189 for the trans. So for about $600 bucks for the main stuff and then all the nick names it can prob be done for $1000 to $2000 with driveshaft so 5.0s are definitely harder to justify. Thanx for the info.

[@michaelworrel2423]

You just proved how the LS platform is better. Cheaper power that is readily available. Also you should go wayy faster with 3 more cams lmao

[@DavidVanVoris]

Wrong

[@hectorfr91]

I as a FORDIFIED guy could care LS about the LS. I sure wished we could see what Joe could've done with a COYOTE in his FOX.

[@DavidVanVoris]

H E C. M A N. Maybe I will

[@waynebollentin989]

It's not hard to make 600hp N/A with the stock heads with either platform. Then on avg every time you add 15lbs of boost you double the hp. It's easy to see why it's not hard to make 1200hp+. Making hp is easy today. Getting a car down the track isn't. Although much easy than when I first went low 7s on a small tire in the early 2000s. Been at least 7s with nitrous, Procharger and obviously turbo. Something the ls guys can't deny is MMR going 5.80s with the factory modified block, crank, heads. Ls needed a aftermarket heads and a billet block to even try to run that number. All that said and like I said before. It's always going to come down to the people involved in the build and the person driving it. Not the manufacturer. We should enjoy what everyone has to offer but we will always have fan boys as long as there's different manufacturers.

[@CoyoteFTW]

Wayne Bollentin - MMR is at 5.6 now

[@waynebollentin989]

@@CoyoteFTW that's not with a factory block. That's with a billet block and why I stated factory modified block.

[@marynapier3962]

Cubic in for cubic in Chevy or dodge can’t touch the little 5 liter motor,

[@CJColvin]

I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 134,000 miles on it and still going strong and it's a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK Catback exhaust as well.

[@hpickettz34]

Normal miles for a 10 year old truck.

[@CJColvin]

@@hpickettz34 Yep and it's now got 138,000 miles on it.

[@jonahevans5123]

@DangerRuss has a stock bottom end coyote that pushing 900+horsepower

[@DavidVanVoris]

Jonah Evans I went faster when mine was stock but yes he went high 8s stock

[@kirbyvanduzer6565]

The reason you don't find coyote engines in the junkyard is because they are still running the reason you see ls engines in the junkyard is because the owner got tired of rebuilding the piece of crap constantly and junked it and junkyard engines are a bad idea because if it sat in the junkyard long enough the block is paper thin and you would end up blowing a hole in the block ls engines are just too cheap to be any good and you'll spend more rebuilding an ls every week for one year than it costs to by a gen x coyote the 302 x costs 33,000 dollars you'll spend 1 million dollars just rebuilding the ls every week in one year that makes the coyote the bang for your buck and it pays for itself because its very durable because of the extremely premium parts its time people give the coyote a very good look because its one incredible engines with extreme performance its way better than the ls by a long shot

[@tira_otro_cambio]

Any one that thinks they can get a used and abused 5.3 or 6.0 drop a cam and tune and think they can beat everyone are on drugs! Real horse power is expensive you can’t go fast cheap!

[@StevenLNew]

I like the Coyote & the LS platforms... Issue with the Coyote is it's so much larger with the dual overhead cams. You have to modify so much to get it to fit into anything. ( which cost's lots of $$$ ) LS... Well as we all know... It goes into pretty much anything with little to no modifications. So far, IMO, you can add more power to a stock LS than you can the stock Coyote Also my Fox Body weighed in at 3200+ with me in it with no traction control ( so probably 200 lbs less that yours )

[@RacerX-124]

Somebody bury that sacred cow carcass already, it's starting to smell.

[@DBGMLV]

That's what I've been saying eversince the coyote came out. A 5.0 coyote vs a 4.8/5.3 LS in the same chasis/trans, the coyote is going to beat the LS's ass all over the place. For me the perfect coyote swap is a Coyote notchback Foxbody (basically Matt Farah's old Foxbody with a built NA foxbody).

[@uniquehouse892]

Not going to beat the LT engines lol, your comparing old tech to new tech. Where was Ford at in 2006? Getting smoked by the LS2. the supercharged mustang in 2006 was being gapped by the ls2 Corvette

[@troylambert5140]

Basically two different ways of doing the same thing you can either spend a ton of money to go fast or a little bit less than a ton of money going fast LOL pick your poison the Chevy LS is much much less money

[@jims5852]

Great video man!🤙keep them coming!!

[@christanhartley434]

The reason the ls is dominant is simple, it’s more attainable, it’s smaller in size, it’s more reliable, it makes more power, cost comparison to a coyote isn’t even a conversation, and if out the cane turbo on a coyote and the right ls engine, the ls will out power and torque the coyote every time, I know this because I’ve done it. And finally, most coyotes will not hold up in stock form for very long under extreme power applications. I think a properly built sbf would be a better option than a coyote if you had to keep it ford powered.

[@GoFastNation]

You make excellent points. I personally hate LS engines in a foxbody but I understand the allure. If I had the money I'd build that car you're asking for but...alas lol.

[@DavidVanVoris]

I wish

[@GoFastNation]

@@DavidVanVoris lol me too!

[@chrisschmidt565]

I'm in the middle of a new edge gen 2 coyote stock engine with a 92mm build.th400 ....... no cage yet lmao street car 405.. should be done before July hopefully

[@DavidVanVoris]

Ooouuufffff can’t wait to see it

[@tubehead8203]

I'm sorry but way older technology at a way cheaper price is a win in my book. Some of these 5.3-6.0 are 10 years older than the gen 3 coyote & still giving the Ford a run for it's money.

[@DavidVlogz]

I need to find a roller been looking at them lately and was thinking about this

[@DavidVanVoris]

Yessss

[@DavidVlogz]

David Van Voris what do you think is a decent price for a running one I have found a couple running ones around 4,300-5k

[@TheTmshuman]

The market has spoken. VE is great and that’s one reason why the LS is better. It has more displacement per cubic inch of motor dimension 😭.

[@JC-gw3yo]

As in crotch rockets... I is not possible to beat a 4 valve engine... And Ford has it in the Coyote. And when a 4 valve head is made for the 6.2 Raptor engine, the cubes will rise and there will be NO competition

[@roberthall6560]

Another great video putting out some good info. Your comfort level in front of the camera is impressive young man, keep the online classes rolling. There's a good number of us here in Chicago trying to wait patiently for you to get that trans fixed. Can't wait to see T/S go faster. PS Your taste in music still sucks. How about some Luke Combs on future intros???

[@shagirani5518]

I really like the ls because its simple...but man the coyote revs higher and sounds better....

[@rholt7448]

People need to understand the coyote isn't cheap compared to an ls. Its the "i can get more cubes for less money."

[@Marcus2750-u1t]

THATS A BIG NEGATIVE THERE “HOLT”…… to bring that ls up to what the yote provides stock its the same money….. FACT

[@rholt7448]

@@Marcus2750-u1t so, the coyote and ls3 are the dame price? Not sure what world you're living in sir.

[@Marcus2750-u1t]

@@rholt7448 Im not sure what planet your on either, by time you buy engine management and a cam and everything you need YES THEY COST SAME

[@haydenwilhelm3882]

It certainly is the case that in power per displacement the Coyote engines are superior to LS. And overall I think they are fantastic engines. But most people don't care about specific power with regards to displacement. The LS platform will give you the same power (and more if built up) for less money, in a smaller package, and also generally lighter as well. It's hard to argue against a 400-450hp V8 for a basic swap that can fit into just about anything that you paid maybe $6-7k for a brand new engine (I won't even begin talking about the $300 junkyard stuff that just doesn't really exist with the Coyote). I don't see Coyotes anywhere near that capability. Yeah you won't rev to the moon (though it is possible with LS, just not stock), and yeah you won't make 450hp with a 5 liter engine. But who cares when the 450hp LS costs ~$3k less and is lighter AND smaller overall. Just my two cents. Not at all dogging the Coyote crowd.

[@DavidVanVoris]

💪🏻💪🏻

[@haydenwilhelm3882]

In my opinion though you should keep engine and car brands the same. Building a Mustang? Put a Ford engine in it. Building a Camaro? Put a Chevy engine in it. But that's an ideal world haha.

[@jeffsoutherland4855]

Coyote loses me with reliability . Chevy doesnt bat an eye at 400k miles at the dealership . Ford says the coyote is toast at 200k .

[@user-eu5rb2ep5o]

The coyote is soo good but the ls is cheap There is coyotes right here in the Middle East making over then 1500 hp Keep going Dave

[@DavidVanVoris]

Agreed