Why the Hate for Final Fantasy 16

[@FailroadExpress]

Thanks for all the amazing comments, everyone! There are so many that I can't get to them all but know that I really appreciate your thoughts.

[@MayteraMarble]

As a life long FF fan I thought it was just Ok. It's a one and done for me where I have played all the others multiple times.

[@HeribertoEstolano]

This comparison between Final Fantasy and "Soulsborne games" not only does not make any sense because you're comparing a series of Anthological games to a very niche specific style of gameplay. Which also HAPPENED because a lot of people Were craving for another Hidetaka Myiazaki game when Armored Core Fires of Rubikon was announced and the 6 people who still cared for the AC franchise had to shout to everyone that Armored Core WAS NOT a Souls game and keep people's expectations in check.

[@AKABoondock19]

Because its BARELY a RPG. Thats why. An absolutely fair reason.

[@d2solo]

u just have the brain capacity of a tardigrade

[@mismismism]

The extreme genre shift on top of the general frustration from a lot of RPG players since a lot of series all shifted to action so a lot of us were tired in general. They really should have done what Atlus does with SMT/Persona/etc, keep the FF games consistent and make the action games a spin off series, they made Stranger of Paradise, that could have been the name for action FF.

[@FailroadExpress]

That’s a good point. And no one I know of has had a problem with Stranger of Paradise’s combat system.

[@mismismism]

@@FailroadExpress That's the thing, if they're separate it doesn't create a fracture in the fan base but because the action FF games essentially killed turn based FF, it makes every new FF polarizing now. They muddled the identity of the series while Stranger of Paradise is its own thing even though it's based on FF1.

[@FailroadExpress]

@@mismismism Yeah, I was agreeing with you.

[@mismismism]

@@FailroadExpress I wasn't trying to imply you disagreed, just expanding on my reasoning a bit more.

[@d2solo]

nobody cares about turn based atlus slop that shit is ass

[@hayabusa09]

It's the only FF game I didn't play more then once, and didn't have interest to buy all or any of the DLC. As for why, I'll leave that to others to decide, I'm on to the next one.

[@atari5177]

as massive fan of 16, i feel like they did made a really good game overall but once you tried 7rebirth combat its really hard to get back into 16 combat. story and fidelity was awesome. genuinely think like i was watching an ff movie. but the lack of dumb mini game, party involvement in the combat. kinda remind me too much of 15 at lunch lol.

[@FailroadExpress]

I definitely feel you on that.

[@JehannLim]

People are so hard to please right now. Why can't we enjoy a game for what it is. A game. 😪

[@AKABoondock19]

Thats a lame excuse boomer

[@VraeliaValkyria]

I dislike how it isn't turn based, ATB combat wise. But, I don't think it is a bad game. It's actually a masterpiece in my eyes. It's truly phenomenal. I do think SE needs to go back to the roots. But, still an amazing game. At least 16 makes sense. And isn't overly complicated like 13 was. Now that is a bad game to me. But 16? It's good.

[@FailroadExpress]

Yeah, I can understand that. I won’t say 13 was bad, but it had its own set of issues that kept it from being great. An hour of reading background info just to understand the story was one of them. Haha.

[@DanteroomGreen]

You forgot to also mention that people are excited for rebirth and got disappointed because the saw Trailer of 16 instead

[@FailroadExpress]

Nah, that really didn’t have anything to do with the the game itself.

[@wren7195]

LOL wellllllllll I certainly didn't take it out on the game, I LOVED 16... but I was disappointed we didn't get Rebirth stuff lol! That's more akin to "they didn't sell well compared to Remake!!! PANIC!!! *PANICKUH!!!" when the reality was both were on PS5 and honestlyyyyy not too many people have had the opportunity to get one of those yet. Sony Japan and Squeenicks hasn't yet remembered that. Take care Dante!

[@Ceivous]

Tbh, since the inception of the internet the most recent FF has always been hated, even when the gameplay barely changed until 12. The negative part of 16 for me were some of the really boring side quests but everything about the main quest is absolute cinema.

[@FailroadExpress]

I definitely see watch you mean.

[@wren7195]

Well... from my personal perspective, FF's "genre" has always been "epic, heartfelt story with fantastic music." The gameplay being traditional JRPG, or even traditional FF, is a bit less important to me compared to the overall spirit of the story. Even the "spirit" of like Dragon Age or the Chrono series, Star Ocean, etc., despite being JRPGs, they never felt even remotely FF to me. Maybe it's how FF presents characters and how they are always integral to the story. Yeah it wasn't a perfect game, it's easy to nitpick anything in this day and age. Now that I'm old as crap, I notice that the last fifteen years people tend to say "I hate it" or "I love it!" and there's next to no in between. I think that's more of a problem than the games themselves. Great vid as always my friend!

[@FailroadExpress]

Yeah I definitely see where you’re coming from. For me FF is always about pushing boundaries and trying new things. It’s a great story in an epic world. A lot of the comments i saw that sparked this video were on twitter. And you know nothing controversial is ever posted on twitter. 🤣

[@korumer8351]

yea, exacly what I have in mind

[@suc125]

Did you mean Dragon Quest instead of Dragon Age? DA is definetelly not a JRPG

[@wren7195]

@@suc125 Heh yeah, one of those brain moments, I'm lucky I didn't say "Dragon Ball" the way things've been recently. I wanted to LIKE Dragon Age, I liked Bioware back in the good ol' days but I just couldn't get into it. My apologies, thanks for correcting me!

[@SpiderSora]

I loved final fantasy 16 to be honest, story wise the game was emotional in my opinion and gameplay wise the game was fun, Clive was an awesome character to me gameplay wise and story wise and was one of the most fun FF characters I've played as, dude felt like a beast or a god, Right up there with Cloud and Noctis, Plus it was emotional and awesome that Clive pulls a Noctis and commits sodoku to save his word, I don't think FF16 was a bad game because at the end of the day it was an fun experience, It was just different, Respect to the traditional FF style combat that the series is known for even up to KH style combat where it's real time action but with an MP and HP bar ect but yeah that's just my opinion

[@FailroadExpress]

I’m glad you liked the game. Overall I did too. It just had some flaws that keep it from being the greatest and that the traditional fans couldn’t get past.

[@desupair]

Game felt incomplete. The story itself wasn't even told coherently, with context essential details of it are split into spinoff games or its DLC's. The gameplay was okay but lacking. The characters are forgettable. I don't think i remembered anything i specifically like about each one of them.

[@ΠολυκαρποςΠαπαδοπουλος]

As a DMC lover I liked the game but I can say it has too little rpg mechanics This could’ve been the best spinoff ever

[@BigGamingBossMan]

Final Fantasy XVI was still one of the best games of 2023 regardless of what people say. Perfect art, gorgeous graphics, fluid combat, incredible memorable characters, incredible soundtrack, gorgeous world, jaw-dropping boss battle and cutscenes. Sidequests needed work, and the combat didn't need to be that much more complex it just needed to he HARDER. Like an actual DMC game (since thats the direction it went in)

[@FailroadExpress]

Absolutely. In spite of its flaws, the game was still a great game. If the devs could have had their cake and eat it too, FF16 would have been even better!

[@EveryonesGrudge]

The issues are simple, the game is linear, the story is uninspired and there is no role playing in the statistical sense or story wise. Its on rails no matter how good the action combat is, that isn't what most FF fans are there for, here's a simple example you don't go to KFC for pizza.

[@bluelagoon4]

For sm1 who has played some of the older and newer games of the franchise, I can say I enjoyed the game. Not my favourite FF, but still. Totally agree on the combat system, it lacks variety and complexity. Regarding side-quests, like most RPGs, most of them are boring (and ngl, I'm a "dialogue skipper") still did all of them because I'm a completionist and didn't want to miss any important unlock or reward. In terms of map-building, the most rewarding thing is discovering breathtaking sceneries... other than that, nothing else. Crafting... didn't bother much (many FFs don't even have that, it's mostly about loot hunting and purchasing gear from merchants, no crafting). Despite all these, I really loved the Eikon combats, the story, the music, the chara and environment design, the dlcs, and ofc the characters and their acting... except Jill who's a bit bland (an accessory more than anything) and her relationship with Clive didn't feel as deep as his relationship with his brother... Hell! Even the dragoons couple, with a ridiculously short screentime, was deeper and more meaningful than theirs! Anyway, great video!

[@FailroadExpress]

Yes, it felt like the Jill Clive relationship was completely dropped at the end so they could focus on the Brother relationship. it was kinda weird and felt out of place. I like Jill but she needed more screen time.

[@papasfritas3853]

Big part of the initial hate came because it was a PS5 exclusive

[@Updup]

I didn't hate the game, but it was definitely disappointing. For the record, I love action games and generally don't like turn based games, so if anything, this is the FF for me, but it still fell flat for me. There's a number of reasons.... 1. The combat was fine, but really hampered by performance. Playing on PS5 with 20 fps while particle effects are flying left and right makes for a not fun combat experience. 2. The set piece eikon fights were REALLY cool and epic to watch, but pretty boring to play. They are too scripted and simplistic gameplay wise so you're really just going through the motions on your controller rather than it being a high stakes edge of your seat battle. Looks epic, plays boring. 3. The loot is boring. It's a linear upgrade with the next sword being a little bigger than your current sword. On top of that, you don't even get to arm your companions because there are basically no companions in the game. 4. I'm going to get hate for this one, but I feel the story is just okay but the characters are really one dimensional and boring. Maybe my expectations are too high, but the characters in FF16 really didn't do it for me, especially compared to older games like FF10 and FF7.

[@FailroadExpress]

Yeah, the characters needed a little bit more development. I haven't played any of the DLC so I'm not sure if that helps to fill the gaps. I'll also say that the early game villians were way more interesting and frightening than the late game villains.

[@slvrsrfr92]

I'd say this feels more like a good book than a game. I think that's my fairest assessment of it.

[@randall7x245]

It may not be the best final fantasy game as people say but for me it definitely had the best Demo of any game ever... the last final fantasy game i played was FFX.... but after playing the demo for this game, i immediately pre-ordered it. And i actually enjoyed the entire game specially the epic boss battles

[@FailroadExpress]

I enjoyed the game all the way through too. With the exceptions of what I said in the video. I'm glad you really enjoyed it. In the end, I hope more people like FF games than hate them.

[@brandonn161]

The fact that the PC port is so horribly optimized does not help this game with the PC group as well

[@FailroadExpress]

Ah, I didn't realize the port was bad. I played it on PS5.

[@ooooswain]

I hate FF16. Why? Because easy games bore me. FF16 was pathetically easy, it literally rewards you for dying and will not allow you to play hard difficulty until you bore yourself to death in normal mode for the entire game. Yeah not doing that. I just quit. And frankly I'm getting really tired of square enix trying to reinvent the series. They make all these successful turn based rpg's still to this day, yet for some reason they refuse to make FF turn based again. They always have to try and reinvent the series and every single time it turns out mid and nobody really cares about it anymore than they care about assassins creed 25. Just stop. The moment square enix decides to return to final fantasy's roots is the moment people start actually caring about the series like they used to.

[@krissydiggs]

To be fair, I never played it.... but it was the first Final Fantasy ever to make me feel nothing about wanting to play it. I have yet to be convinced that I should play it. That has never happened to me with a FF game. Even 15 which I didn't really love made me excited to play it. But 16 really inspired nothing in me. :/ It just has none of the things I play FF for.

[@AKABoondock19]

I am 41 years old and 16 is the first final fantasy i didnt get on release, and i never plan to

[@krissydiggs]

@@AKABoondock19 same same same

[@veloci-t6629]

And what are the things you play FF for, if you don't mind me asking

[@krissydiggs]

@@veloci-t6629 I guess for me, the ones I enjoy the most have a diverse cast of characters from different cultures who look different and have a lot of interesting character motivations and how that effects their dynamic as a party. I also enjoy slower, turnbased combat over modern more MMO type combat (or in this case DMC like). I like FFs that reward you for exploration or committing time to tasks, especially finding hidden areas or stumbling upon something rare. Story ofc is paramount, but I also like it when they have moments of silliness. Coloful vibrant environments and music that elevates it all. My favorites overall are 6,7,9,10,and upon reflection 13. I like when NPCs have their own little sidestories that you can chose to engage with. I like cute moogles and chocobo. I'm not especially interested in the spectical aspect that seems to be what Square Enix values a lot. At this point, I feel like most any game can look good. Yeah... I guess that's what I look for. 😅

[@d2solo]

@@krissydiggsyea you’re trolling

[@manat31790]

I lowkey hate Game of Throne, I couldn't play Kingdom Come past the intro, and I could care less about FF16 given its aesthetic. It's not like I have to like a game because it's good or because others like it. I just have my own tastes and preferences.

[@FailroadExpress]

That’s understandable. Also, the mustache Superman pick is hilarious

[@NinjaaPaw]

I’m afraid we will never comeback to final fantasy. The fans have outgrown the game. It took to long and the games changed. We are getting that good turn based games in persona and metaphor

[@FailroadExpress]

I think it’s alright to enjoy other great turn based games that aren’t FF games. You’re right that they fill that gap. And I get that many fans would like for FF to go back to turn based. But I don’t think it’s necessary as long as SE keeps the identity of FF something similar to the FF7 remake hybrid system.

[@mjmh92]

ff16 is a great action game hidden behind a mid rpg game. Also, it was trying a little too hard to stray from DMC5 when it should've just leaned into the mechanics and enhanced them. 4 eikon switch with d-pad and their unique abilities and mechanics. torgal should've just been completely AI

[@FailroadExpress]

Yeah. I found myself wondering to myself why Torgal wasn't stronger. His regen ability was his only saving grace. Even when he was in Fenrir mode, he was under-powered.

[@eric24kirby19]

To me it’s just very boring the story is good the gameplay is ehhhhh could never finish it

[@LeviAckerMAN-o.o]

Genuinely had no idea ppl hated this game. Click baity title perhaps?

[@rredix]

It's me. I'm people

[@MegaMat86]

The questing was terrible, I felt like I was navigating to green squares with a slow plane in ace combat for most of the game. The battle system is repetitive and the weapons were useless and unrewarding to earn. I got the platinum trophy and remember the blacksmith quest line more than the main story.

[@DarkCulex]

The gameplay is boring, this should've been released as CGI movie

[@Sajgi]

I am sorry but some people still care about Square and they are more vocal about it. i wish they succeed in something instead of remaking their games for already 15 years. I guess Sakaguchi was too import in their stew than hacks that are still in company. Only one thing modern-Square did well is Heavensward that is also already old.

[@zazoreal5536]

Final fantasy use to have happy endings with sad elements. Aerith's death or Vivi's death as two of the greatest examples. It use to have crystals and a steam punk vibe with airships.... with some sci-fi elements sprinkled in between. Final Fantasy XVI was a good attempt, but it was a disappointment. Nothing to "Hate" about it. They needed to bring the combat system of rebirth in. The DMC type fighting just doesn't fit it as much as the turn based DMC type fighting. The problem is that the devs don't understand their product.

[@jimsface]

I think it’s a deeply flawed game that gives us unforgettable moments transcending those flaws entirely. It’s a game worth experiencing.

[@rredix]

It has nothing to do with turn-based vs action. It's just that the game is dull, monotonous, and uninteresting. There is no sense of exploration or discovery. And the world just doesn't make sense, mostly because of the forced slavery narrative of the people with the most power by the normal, non-magical people with no mechanism for their subjugation.

[@FailroadExpress]

There’s a side quest at the end of the game that explains the history of slavery and how it started.

[@souitenesse674]

Few reasons, some objective, some subjective : - Combat system : combat loop is tedious and repetitive. ONE COMBO is criminal. Not enough basic attacks - having something closer to Stellar Blade would have been perfect. 30-ish Eikonic Abilities, and you can use only 6. Criminal. You choose the most effective and you stick with them. No elemental affinities/weaknesses. Egregious with such an emphasis on elements. After Rebirth’s variety, FF16 combat is terribly bland in terms of combat skills. Shame cuz gameplay is super sleek and pleasant…but hitting like a wet towel and having damage sponges fights is crap. Magic system sucks, so much could have been done, same issue as FFXV. Story : excellent premise, lackluster delivery - not the writing, but the depth of characters development. Too many side characters are given too much importance. Jill/Clive relationship too shallow. Other Antagonists are also too shallow. Cid dies too fast - compare with FF7 remake/rebirth. Their relationships are so great, genuine, lots of team building. Best relationship was Clive/Cid and it’s way too short, what a shame, so much potential cuz setting is great. Cid is such a chad, a shame really. World : Pointless exploration, mechanical world, no incentive to explore at all, agree with you. Every zone is there CUZ THERE IS A QUEST ugh how shit is that. Zero dungeons outside of main story. Zero « optional » content that you can do just to do it. Again, a great world that screams to be discovered…

[@souitenesse674]

Overall I agree with all your points. I just feel that FF7 Rebirth is by far the best FF we got since FFX and XVI had such potential and it did not need much to make the experience really unforgettable. FFXVI did things I never saw before. I am replaying it now and the opening hours, until you find Jill again, are SO strong. And then…for a game so long, so many things felt rushed (story/characters wise) and unnecessary. Dunno. Felt FFVII Rebirth spoiled me so much by giving me everything I really wanted in terms of characters interaction/relationship building.

[@ryanrusty6610]

Not hate, disappointment.

[@FailroadExpress]

That's a good way to put it.

[@X-Axel]

FF 15 was truly disappointing. This game was just about what I expected it to be, it’s great with some weaker points. Don’t ever get too hyped before the release of a game

[@mattp994]

I loved 16 but felt there was so much missed opportunity, ways the battle system could have been so much better for such little effort. Things like giving us the ability to equip party members to increase their stats, havings elemental weapons be standalone instead of linear upgrades, with unique elemental effects. Having rare items found in chests, instead of having all the rare items located in the shop. All these little design choices that would add depth and make the game far less linear.

[@WeirdDNA]

Started last week, got to post-bahamut before my computer broke down. It's an interesting movie and beautiful piece of art that I intend to finish, but it's an awful game. I want to like the combat system, as it looks and feels super cool, but it's completely undermined by the training wheels the game has. There is absolutely zero reason to learn to play the game when you are rewarded so robustly for intentionally dying. Between that and the freaking joke cheat rings the game forces on you EVEN IF YOU CHOOSE ACTION MODE, the game is nothing but button mashing between cutscenes (even without the rings). If they had a difficulty OPTION that allows you to actually lose and pushes you to learn the combat system, then I would absolutely love the game, despite a number of other gripes I have with it. That one single issue turns my evaluation of this g̶a̶m̶e̶ film from "pretty good" to "abysmally terrible", because without gameplay, it's not even a game. It's like someone made a gourmet meal for you, then took a steaming crap on it right before it was served. Sure there's something wonderful at almost every layer, but whether you choose to pick the **** off, or eat it with a smile, it doesn't change the fact that you got served a plate of turds.

[@kg888]

More like disappointment. Why the hell fire can causes damage to fire bomb? 😂😂😂 this has no rpg elements. You got all of the elements but not a single weaknesses to it. And game play like an mmo. Attack till your abilities cooldown and use them. Then repeat.

[@alex-v8p4h]

final fantasy 16 is peak trust no cap on satan

[@continuallyblessed44]

I loathed the game lol. I enjoyed it until Act I ended. After that every aspect wore on me. Characters were flat, story was uninteresting, the world itself was awful and I just wished for its destruction, combat was atrociously boring, RPG aspects were dang near non existent. Eikon battles took way too long and was obnoxious. I dreaded every time I felt one coming. Only thing I enjoyed was the graphics and the soundtrack (soundtrack was passable. Sounded like rejected music that didn’t make it to XIV. Wasn’t Sokken’s best).

[@MayteraMarble]

The side quests also sucked lol

[@dannyd4339]

Because it is a bad, boring and glitchy experience.

[@harleypitman9472]

they should just make new ips instead of destroying long running games. i haven't enjoyed a ff game since 10. they destroyed front mission

[@frostbitepup87]

No.

[@someone1932]

Another thing for me is the map and linear travelling/pacing. In previous FF the travel between town to town is part of the main story. But for 16, each town/checkpoint is where everything is happening so, we have quick travel for that. Ruins the immersion a little for me compared to previous real open world like 10 and 12

[@0909Alz]

I think you need to replay FFX, its world is a linear corridor with one area being the exception.

[@someone1932]

Exploring it had more meaning than ff16. world feels more open and inviting

[@EstePensativo]

The game is so repetitive and boring. Feels like you’re playing the MSQ in ff14. Also not into a lot of the bs lite woke trash they had to throw in. Square Enix is going downhill as it panders to the trashy woke west.

[@fangiscool1]

Square should just lean into the final fantasy roots. Go back to turn-based or something atb-related, and write an epic story. Theyre leaning too much into "for modern audiences." Modern, american audiences dont care about jrpgs and theyre alienating the older fans

[@Angelblaze]

My third final fantasy game and it's the best game I've ever played in the series and the year it came out on. People just like to complain and refuse to change. Also, it was review bombed cause "woke." FF7REMAKE was shit, why do I care about the characters? FF15 Was extremely disappointing as the original vision was destroyed and they turned it into a sissy fest with lack of story.

[@ForEverClerith]

Omg it was too woke!

[@phoenixblossom2167]

You pretty much summed up all of the hate on FF16, which was pretty much everything in it except for the boss fights and that's why a lot of people don't like the game. Anybody who says that people only dislike the game because it's not turn based, y'all need to get out of your echo chamber for 5 minutes and actually listen to what the hell people are saying. By the way, not only were the side quests repetitive but even main story quests were repetitive too. All you really do for main story stuff is go stop an antagonist/destroy a crystal, come back to base, talk with NPCs, and repeat. The pacing was very off too. The 13 year time skip was understandable, but the 5 year time skip is where it and the story falls off so hard. Stupidly, none of the other characters appearances or personalities change after that either, except for Clive's of course. We also never learn why Joshua stays away from Clive for all of that time. It's supposedly because of him locking Ultima inside of him he had to keep him away from Clive, but if that's truly the case then why does he out of nowhere decide to join Clive and the rest of the hideaway when he coincidentally meets him again when he heads out to stop Bahamut? Make it make sense. It's also ridiculous how not only is the gameplay repetitive, but the characters in your party can't be incapacitated in battle. It really never crossed the mind of the stupid idiot goddamn gameplay creator for FF16 that this is a Final Fantasy game and that regardless of whether the characters are playable in the gameplay or not, they should not be immortal. FF15 had unplayable party members when it first came out and even they had HP bars. It's news to me that characters in your party can have eternal life in Final Fantasy gameplay. Whoever designed the gameplay for FF16, you deserve to be fired for that reason alone. I don't give a shit. Geez, I lose my mind sometimes talking about this game because of how nonsensical and terrible it is. But anyway, you also missed one very important flaw that the game has that everybody is in agreement on, even people who actually like the game. Here's what it is: They don't even go into any of the other characters' backstories or why they are the way they are. It's true that they definitely all had potential but it felt like the developers either just didn't know what to do with any of them or they were just being lazy with them, but I have no doubt at all that it's the latter because if you can write a whole entire game revolving around one single character (Clive), then you can give any other character a spotlight. They only tell us tiny little snippets of some of the other characters' stories and that's it, they never actually show it to us or give any of them a chance to shine. Final Fantasy is very known for giving most of the main characters a spotlight and revealing why they're the character they turned out to be in the present time, but unfortunately FF16 was focused way too much on Clive and all of the characters in the game only exist as tools for him and not even as their own character. Why do they think everyone is constantly asking for more DLCs on the game for all of the other Dominants? Hell, even the voice actors are indirectly telling them in interviews that they need to flesh the other characters out because evidently even they know that the characters were wasted. Literally all of the characters except for Clive were straight up disrespected. The ending of the game wasn't great either because it destroyed half of Clive's character arc. Part of Clive's arc is about living and learning to love himself. There's multiple characters in the game especially Joshua, Jill, and even Cid scolding him to stop thinking about everybody else to save himself for once. What the hell was the point in all of that if he was just going to die in the end? All it did was destroy part of his arc and even make the characters' efforts for him in vain. It didn't really stop my like for him though. There may be flaws with Clive's arc but he's still pretty cool as a character overall and he actually became one of my favorite protagonists in the series. I'm just pissed off that they put him and some of the other characters who had so much potential in such a trashy ass game. You can't make this shit up. FF16 was such lazy design and I hope Yoshi P and his team never work on another mainline Final Fantasy game ever again. They need to just stick with their never ending MMO game. If FF16 had been a spin off or something, then I probably would've appreciated it a bit more. It's just a wannabe baby version of Devil May Cry and they literally took away everything that makes Final Fantasy within this game. The only good things about FF16 were the story kind of and the boss fights. That's all. I can see why though. You can tell that all of their money for this game was stupidly spent on the boss fights. I mean, look at how long and intense they were. This might sound cruel, but I'm glad that this wannabe Devil May Cry game flopped. Square Enix said several times that the game didn't meet their expectations. So to them, it definitely flopped. Maybe that'll teach them a lesson to stop abandoning the fans who appreciate the Final Fantasy franchise for its identity that it had and stop trying to transform it into something that's not even recognizable anymore.