Why The Jedi Send Children to War

[@NightBane345]

I think the only reason why Ahsoka turned out "good" when it came to the wars, was because Anakin was so grounded, he didn't have that streak of ego and pompus behaviour Jedi would usually do, justifying all their actions by the will of the force. If more Jedi was like Anakin on that regard, I imagine the order would've survived for longer, and not as many would've perished either during the clone wars, because they wouldn't have been so blinded by the dogma of the Jedi. Using children as soldiers will never sit well with me, even if you lose all your adults to wage a war/fight, bringing in children for me shouldn't be brought near the battlefield at all. Wish one could say it's only in fiction this happens sadly it doesn't, and it happens right now as we speak which is horrible.

[@MrLightningbob]

In any group at war, children involved are not the first choice but will often become a necessity as the adults die or are injured. Usually, the children are the ones who would be of legal age within a few years but had been tasked with moving supplies but after a while they will take up the arms and fight back their enemies themselves. This has been a trend throughout history.

[@ravenrise320]

In more than a few modern, REAL world, militaries. Teenagers 17 -18 are often recruited into the military. They are then given combat training, access to machine guns, grenades, anti-tank, and anti-aircraft weapon systems, and led out into battlefields. While outside of the military? At the same time and in the rest of their nations society? They might not be able to vote in elections, legally own personal firearms, or even legally buy an alcoholic beverage in a store. Now, how does THIS pertain to the fictional Star Wars universe? It simply illustrates the blind eyes that societies will often turn in the case of their young people? When there is a supposed greater fear in the room. Sometimes, even whether or not that fear is real. Or just the flatulance of some career politician's talking point being used to stir up and make fearful the masses and garner votes. Something that Palpatine himself liked to do. This led to the deaths of countless beings on multiple worlds in the Star Wars universe during the Clone Wars and ensuing Imperial rise after the Republics collapse.

[@carlgreen8972]

Having been recruited into the Marine Corps staring with a recruiter talking to me at a booth in my high school during lunch when I was 17 then enlisting at 18 when I could sign for myself I highly refute this claim. Through personal experience and that of those I served with who got forced to take recruiting duty children are explicitly the target enlistment group and older enlisties are seen as sub par or less than desirable. 18 might be legally considered adulthood but anyone who thinks an 18 year old fresh out of high school isn't a kid hasn't spent much time with teens

[@mrzirak792]

Saying that Jedi used children as soldiers is such a stretch. First, Jedi were never meant to be some kind of military element or part of an army, some of the Jedi weren't even capable of holding lightsabers without telekinesis, other Jedi lacked telekinesis at all. Jedi had a faction of Rangers, that while lacking force sensitive members, we're supporting Jedi before Sith were wiped out by Darth Bane (though later Luke would find them useful again), that's the closest thing to Soldier of Jedi. And i don't think children really took part in the Clone Wars or any other kind of war until we got THE kids show - TCW, which needed a young character so viewers could have someone relatable, and it happened to be 14yo ahsoka. And then the same show also retconned Bariss Offee to the same age, instead of being Anakin's age

[@MrLightningbob]

@@carlgreen8972 A good chunk of that age has been a recent thing, especially when considering that at 18 humans are still not done growing into adults AND they don't have the experience to question much and as such are easier to mold their minds... yet their youth still has them energetic and having the feeling of invincibility. But that is the US military, a country where they take the fighting to others. Others where they begin to use child soldiers to help the standard troops and the US will use that as propaganda as a reason to keep the fighting going.

[@malapertfourohfour2112]

​​@@carlgreen8972 if you'd read more history maybe you wouldn't think your experience is applicable beyond a particularly privileged, wealthy, and peaceful era for imperial citizens of a uniquely globally dominant empire.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Children being thrust into war has occurred outside the Jedi Order. Look at Rahm Kota. He was a child soldier on an unnamed war-torn planet before he was even ten years old. This was long before he was recruited into the Jedi Order by Mace Windu

[@InternetArchive1]

What about Grievous? He started fighting the Huk when he was a child

[@helix7773]

No one is saying they are the first (or even last) to do this. He's only posing the question "Is it right?"

[@Abandonsoyciety]

Ironic how Windu had no problem doing that, but actively opposed Anakin being trained. Lmao smh

[@arod927-01]

Also look at Vietnam, when so many poor 18 year olds got sent to war against their own will

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

The most shocking employment of child soldiers is right here on Earth.

[@Besieged27]

In Legends lore, younglings who become padawans were the ones who proved they could become jedi Knights, so they were were already as skilled, if not more, then the average bounty hunter or sector militia. And basing this topic to reality, back in medieval times squires and grooms to Europe's Knights could be as young as ten years old and they fought as well

[@jeremiahdeslatte211]

As many people will point out, the Jedi had many glaring flaws, but they also had plenty of good qualities as well, and give Anakin credit, darkness may have overtaken his heart overtime, but he still taught Asoka the best parts of being a Jedi!

[@LaraA55]

I didn't know about padawans being soldiers in the Sith war. Something new I learned which explained a lot for me.

[@PeregrineFallgrove-dl7ub]

Good soldiers watch early

[@josegonzalezgonzalez3486]

And good soldiers follow early. General

[@darthrevanthedestroyer9003]

That’s correct!

[@liamdacre1818]

And good soldiers like early

[@lssjvegeta7103]

Good soldiers comment early

[@LordBrittish]

“Good soldiers follow orders” -in Crosshair’s raspy Clone voice

[@johnfidelsrevolution]

*Kids are taught not only martial arts but taught how to hunt and slaughter animals to eat in real life & survive in the wild. And kids are taught war in some nations from the youth up. So when people say the Jedi are cruel, They are just extremely weak. Star Wars is a completely different universe on how they raise kids. The only difference is, They throw them in real combat. But they do that in some countries in the real world.*

[@chocomalk]

Children have formed a good part of many historic battles, we only look back with our "civilized" rose tinted glasses. What is morally worse? Sending children into battle when there is no other choice or letting them die as children in the aftermath of losing the conflict? ?

[@kaidorade1317]

Two Holocrons being opened in one day? Thanksgiving arrived early!

[@SiriusZiriux]

You still haven’t had Thanksgiving? Jeez; catch-up man.

[@MikeChamp]

The most evil thing was giving Star Wars to people who hate it; rian and kathleen.

[@stretch1k734]

I think the jedis use of padawans severly damaged their own dogma as masters were forced to resort to making ultimatums between their own lives and the lives of padawans. We can see this during order 66 with cal kestis and caleb doon who were willing to die in the stead of their masters when in reality they were always meant to carry the legacy of the jedi farther into the future. If it weren’t for masters such as anakin, plo koon and even obiwan who choose to sacrifice themselves rather than their padawans, the jedi would have truly become extinct after order 66 and more importantly operation knightfall. Knightfall was a true testimony to the trust masters were giving over padawans lives being exploited by the sith. I think this is why Luke truly allowed his jedi to love through attachments as it was the only reason anakin ever redeemed himself in the first place.

[@unigaming9921]

"They picked this path knowing the hardships" yes, because children make mindful decisions with careful consideration of the outcome

[@stepabuv842]

I love your lore videos. You evidently put much time and effort into explaining with accuracy. Here's another POV: Having padawans fight in a war can seem evil from a certain POV. There are, however, cultures today that draft at the same age as a padawan. There are age limits put on things such as buying alcohol or even going to war, but these restrictions are relatively new. Much of history shows men fighting at ages equal or younger than a padawan. Not that I agree with that, just that it's not considered evil in certain cultures and eras. One thing is for certain... the evil the Jedi fought didn't have a minimum age limit when they attack. Of course, the Acolyte made a point of having Sol point out how wrong it was for the stranger to kill his padawan - totally contradicting himself. But that's Disney.

[@Darjaboo]

When you think of the word child you think of someone that is helpless and needs protecting but a child that is a Jedi is far from helpless. Plus this is all just fantasy anyways.

[@sargonstarblade6862]

I have been thinking about the prophecy that the chosen one (Anikin) would bring balance to the force. I believe that he did, not Luke. The Sith were near extinction and the Jedi were prosperous. So by eliminating most of the Jedi, didn't he bring balance to the force?

[@anthonyhanlon9808]

Weren't the clones technically children to since they age fast

[@charringcross]

Yes

[@jeremywatters2295]

No age both physically mentally faster than normal humans .its like saying grogu is a adult because he is over 50 when his race ages slower.

[@anthonyhanlon9808]

@@jeremywatters2295 still feels like children to me

[@jeremywatters2295]

@@anthonyhanlon9808 facts DON'T care about feeling but ya I understand but if war never happened though clones would never have existed messed up right.

[@Ruevik]

No. You literally answered and disproved your own question. gg

[@KonnerHumanDBZT]

"harder to hit they are. Much smaller targets they will be. Harder to sleep at night after shooting a child it is."- Yoda probably

[@djfreem6881]

“If what you have told me is true, you will have gained my trust.” -Mace Windu for sure

[@TheLaughingMan313]

That thumbnail just made me think “Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano?”

[@djfreem6881]

“Has anyone ever told you of the Tragedy of Ahsoka Tano the White?”

[@sbarbercrane]

He never got to teach her how to be balanced!!!😢😢😢

[@user-dg2ub7rn8i]

In other words, the Jedi Order killed more younglings than Anakin ever did. And unlike Anakin they had no remorse or regret for such wickedness.

[@darthnutsack6717]

Hey Stupendous! Loved the Theory Wave yesterday! Looking forward to the next one! You and Theory know whats up when it comes to Star Wars! Much love and respect! 💯 💪

[@Toshineko]

Palpatine: "You see, Anakin? I told you the Jedi are evil. They even used children as soldiers." Anakin: "Child soldiers, master?"

[@dearthditch]

As opposed to youngling laser sword fodder 😅

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Yeah seeing a live action portrayal of Ahsoka in the Clone Wars flashback made me realized just how messed up the Jedi Order where in making their apprentices take parts in dangerous battlefields.

[@GGBlaster]

It’s not a Jedi Order thing - it’s the harsh reality of war, and the burden placed upon people because of the circumstances of their birth. The Jedi are expected (by the galaxy) to fight to defend the Galaxy, because they just so happen to have been born with powers other people don’t have.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

@ it true that the reality of war is brutal and that the usage of child soldiers is a very common practice among the more unfortunate people, but the Jedi is an organization that are meant to be peacekeepers and are supposed to be a more moral group then the local warlords of outer rim region.

[@thomasbardoux1692]

@@inquisitorgarza312 and they are. But when you have a galactic war that put entire planets and trillions of lives at risk and these children are, by their innate abilities and training, an asset that can turn entire battle, it becomes a necessity to take that risk for the sake of the greater number

[@mrzirak792]

That's not what Jedi Order would do. That's why i prefer to ignore TCW in movie and EU continuity, it's absurd that mature and seasoned Jedi k ights and masters died at Geonosis arena, yet 14 yo Ahsoka not only able to keep up with Maul, but also able to stand up with a freaking 4 armed cyborg. I swear, in real fight Grievous would just use his leg to throw Ahsoka to the stratosphere

[@reierkeemil4784]

@@mrzirak792 She was trained by Anakin, that other Jedi knights to padawans won’t do. Tales of the Jedi will give u that idea of Ahsoka.

[@ElTwOJaY]

How did Luke change this? His Nephew, Anakin Solo sacrificed himself during the Vong war to save his other young Jedi friends.

[@ClydeX60425]

I wouldn't exactly call it evil, because the galaxy didn't exactly see the difference between sith and jedi.

[@aster4jaden]

To be fair on the Jedi, the only time they sent young Padawan's to battle was in extreme cases.

[@robertnelson9599]

What about sending to padawans alone into a literal battle droid factory.

[@GGBlaster]

@@robertnelson9599again, extreme cases

[@aster4jaden]

@@robertnelson9599 That was apart of the greater part of Clone Wars, it was an extreme case like with War against the Sith.

[@daniels7907]

This cold-hearted pragmatism was a large part of what weakened the Jedi connection to the Light Side of the Force. The only thing really keeping these children from all falling to the Dark Side in the face of war was the fact that they had been brainwashed since they were toddlers. Anakin fell precisely because he began training at an age where he could see the Jedi hypocrisy for what it was and excuses about "The Will of the Force" rang hollow to him. After all, the Dark Side is the Force too. This is what many forget. There are *not* two opposing Forces, just one with multiple aspects. The Jedi fell into the trap of the Clone Wars because Palpatine knew that they would do whatever it took to maintain their status as a state-favored religion with broad powers in the Republic. Even if that meant committing actions that were appalling to people not raised on the Order's propaganda.

[@emanate0]

i think the failure of the jedi is in wasting their soldiers to the point they require padawans. don't the jedi study war tactics at all? all through out the clone wars we got so many instances of how horrible the average jedi was at commanding

[@robertnelson9599]

The Jedi were peacekeepers who listened to no one and rarely interacted with people outside of their own order of the Republic government. They put no effort into understanding tactics and strategy until they were in the middle of the Clone Wars.

[@jsross33]

Kinda hard to execute an effective military strategy when the guy in charge is running both sides of the war against you..

[@WinterLady87]

The Jedi were keepers of the peace, not soldiers, as Mace pointed out in AotC. They hadn't been involved in a full scale war since the last Sith War 1000 years before, so no, they hadn't devoted a lot of time to studying battlefield tactics. They were shoved into a no win position of leading troops because the corrupt government forced them into it.

[@SilasSmith-u2z]

Great video Stupendous two videos in a day is just awesome and can’t wait for the next video and keep up the awesome work

[@Ernthegr8-l8d]

Imagine the Star Wars universe where Qui Gon didn’t die and Anakin actually fulfilling his role as the chosen one and Revan trains Obi-Wan. Kinda a curve ball but Obi-Wan is the GOAT. 🐐

[@hulksmash849]

That battle would be amazing to see in live action. 😮

[@jaredquinney204]

The Jedi order is a complex issue

[@alexanderren1097]

Yoda: “Joseph Koney I am. Use child soldiers I will!”

[@andrewdilbeck9842]

Sometimes the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

[@corujariousa]

That is a very flawed concept and assumes a personal decision (to be a Jedi). Since children do not have the needed maturity for such a decision and also the fact they were taken from their families, the choice could never be made. The Jedi concept is full of hypocrisies, moral and strategic mistakes.

[@austinforgie1069]

They learned their lesson with Anakin

[@marshalllatta2073]

there are many evil things that the Jedi have done in star wars history

[@GGBlaster]

There’s a couple flaws to this argument: First, the decision to recruit children into war is almost solely done in times of necessity, aka so many of the adults die that nations are forced into this morally dubious decision. Second, padawans aren’t like other children. Heck, younglings aren’t like other children. If anyone here has read Ender’s game, you’d remember that Ender Wiggin and his classmates had college-level educations and military training at the age of six. SIX. Now imagine an order of people born with magical powers, including sharpened minds and senses, dedicating their whole lives to learning to serve the Galaxy. Maturity aside, most children in the Jedi Order were more educated, capable and talented than the vast majority of fully grown adults in the rest of the Galaxy. Padawans aren’t “children” in the same sense we think of other children. Third, the Jedi had their hands tied. The Sith had carefully rigged the game in their favor for a thousand years - there is literally nothing the Jedi could have done to win. Refuse to fight? Then they’re traitors! Execute Order 66! Run away? Hide? Fight for the other side? Traitors! Warn the Republic? Expose the Chancellor? Seditious traitors! Execute Order 66! It was game over the moment Palpatine became Chancellor, no matter what the Jedi did.

[@tydasavage6890]

Jedi definitely were the villans that were using the force to justify they're actions

[@chancebrown106]

0:04 that is the clearest image of the Jedi Power Battles video game cover I’ve ever seen…

[@TheDezz816]

I love that we all get excited over this stuff lol

[@dlsmith9277]

Any idea if you would make a video if Huyang has any sith lightsabers in his records?

[@brianjohnson3743]

Usually, the term “child soldier” carries a connotation that the child is forced to fight against their will. As Ashoka demonstrates, padawans can leave whenever they want. The clones were exploited more than padawans who chose to fight.

[@sithwarriortank8472]

The goal and philosophy of the Brotherhood of Darkness sounds a lot like the Sith based on Korriban when the real Luke was trying to deal with Abeloth in the Faye of the Jedi book series.

[@kingofkings3680]

Id love to see a holocron about the true power of lord kahn, anyways another banger from da goat🫡

[@mikesurel5040]

You'll find the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.

[@hammerroo558]

Understood...I still need a shower...

[@ZyphisV]

3:45 script error, "Lord Kaan that directly requested that Jedi padawans be sent"

[@malapertfourohfour2112]

Applying peacetime morality to wartime is a fantastic philosophy for losers to cope with their loss.

[@anthonyml7]

Opening screen reminded me of Jedi Power Battles for Dreamcast * Sigh * good times 😌

[@binyominmartin3308]

3 video ideas 1 what happened to King adis axes 2 what if anikin and ashoka fell in love 3 what if ashoka decided to come back to the jedi after they apologized and invited her back

[@KyleWilkinson-ps3xi]

Good ideas but I dislike what ifs

[@Historicutuber]

Yeah this was an amazing holocron man.

[@cherrytonshawty9120]

Literally one of the biggest reasons Anakin fell to the Dark Side, that attachments were not allowed, and thus, the Order worked against itself and forbade the procreation of life within their ranks. Which disallowed for the increase, and replenishment of their ever depleating numbers. 10,000 strong they were, then they were no more.

[@dragonlord498]

would say the jedi rejection of emotion and connections definitely made the jedi less moral then they would want to admit given how fundamental such things were to the indoctrination of the jedi

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

The Jedi may be evil in some ways, but come on. They do whatever it takes to protect people give the kids a Fighting Chance. And come on fighting started before. adults came into the action I know the Jedi maybe sometimes. a little Overkill, but they never kill the Innocence not like their enemies the Sith do

[@chancemeyers8502]

Id love a what if on if Anakin actually accepted The Fathers offer in The Clone Wars.

[@WinterLady87]

The title of the video seems a little click-baity. You say this is the greatest evil the Jedi have committed, but then go into a video essay on how the Jedi Padawans were pulled into war only in their direst need. This clearly was not something they did often, or willingly. In the last Sith War, the Sith had been making great gains across the galaxy. The war had been going on for years, and the Jedi's numbers were depleted, so Lord Hoth called for Padawans to accompany their masters to Ruusan where they had the bulk of the Sith army pinned down to help bolster the Jedi numbers. If the Jedi lost at Ruusan and were wiped out, most of their combat equipped people would have been gone, and the Sith would have little difficulty sweeping across the galaxy and taking out the Republic. The Jedi were the only ones equipped to take on the Sith, so unfortunately, it was all hands on deck, even for those the Jedi normally wouldn't bring into a war. I can't speak too much on the Clone Wars series, as I haven't watched all of it yet, but I imagine the Jedi are in a similar situation as the last Sith War, especially as the war drags on. From my understanding of how the Jedi normally trained their Padawans, the Padawans weren't pulled into hazardous missions until they were a little older. When Obi Wan took on Anakin, he had to leave him at the Temple a number of times for several years because the missions he was going on would be too dangerous for a little kid. Of course, as he got older, Anakin would be able to come along on these missions. The Jedi bringing Padawans into an active war zone was a major shift from how they normally operated, and wouldn't be something they agreed to lightly. Contrary to all of the "emotionless Jedi" comments I see thrown around, the Jedi very much cared for their Padawans and younglings (clearly shown in AotC), and putting them in imminent danger had to be very difficult for them. A side benefit to Palpatine's war, wearing the Jedi down, emotionally and spiritually. The only thing that mitigates the awfulness of having young teenagers on the front lines is that they have been trained from a young age to fight, and are more mentally and emotionally able to handle the stress than even the average adult. As you also point out, Ahsoka in particular learned skills from Anakin that would benefit her later in life. That probably would have been the case for other Padawans too if ah, certain events hadn't played out. "Palpatine played the public like a fiddle." Unfortunately, he played everyone like a fiddle. The Jedi were forced into a war they never wanted, and couldn't leave without massive consequences. As another commenter pointed out, if the Jedi refused to fight, they would be branded as traitors. If they tried to push back against the corrupt, warmongering government, they could be labelled as seditious. The public were outraged that the Jedi would bring teenagers into a fight, but I don't recall any calls for people to join the GAR and bolster their numbers, thus eliminating the need for children on the battlefield. Guess the pearl clutching stops when it's your friends and family being called up to fight. "Those Jedi kids are trained to fight, it's fine."

[@terrelldean988]

To be fair when you have hundreds of teenagers who can block bullets and lift things with their minds, I’d utilize them too Especially when you’re Losing a war like Lord HOTH

[@robertstrong6798]

The worst thing the Jedi did was cream pants with brown robes 🙀

[@SilentlyScreaming-c5t]

Because they don't need to pay them as many Republic credits.

[@darthsidius9631]

I think it was justified in the sith wars but not in the clone war

[@davidjacobs7465]

In times of desperation in war it's not really uncommon. But in times of prosperity it is questionable at the very least, no matter how it is framed. The point of using Ahsoka as an example isn't correct since she was more of an exception.

[@theforcedragon3781]

Yo have you seen the new Canon Luke Comics? there's a lot of lore there I think would make some good videos

[@baldrian22]

i think the jedi should realy take a good look at how many padowans fell to the darksidde as a result of that, also how many died. there defenitly was padowans that did fall. like the one that blamed asoka. also realy early in the war the padowan pack (All people that aniken was friends with and he was a part of it to) died, not to mention the all that died with their masters to grievous, ventres and other of dokus assasins and main combatence like durge. even some of the missions in peace time is quite bad. but luke in legends did atleast do his best to follow the goal and mainly used knights in the conflicts, and if padowans the ones that was proper adults or not considerd children. there was defenitly some padowans that got cought up in bad conflicts, like the vong war, but the jedi also used maw station as a safe location and not just for the younglings either. i think some of the people that abaloth affected atleast was considerd teens during the war. some padowans during the clone wars was defenitly not considerd children any more by galaxy standard, it normaly takes a few years if i remember correctly untill you get to be a knight unless a realy fast student that proves themself realy well. i think aniken was considerd on the younger side when he was knighted.

[@thomasbardoux1692]

Well, that's the thing, when we compare the number of jedi and the number of those that fell to the dark side, the layer is extremely low

[@lordofpain3476]

What's wrong with child soldiers ? They are small and enemy fire just goes right over their heads . And besides , have you talked to any children lately ? They are psychotic little terrors far worse than most Sith ..

[@ThomasTenma]

So who has the most versions of the same order Jedi or sith?

[@corydorton2660]

It a good question and the hard truth is yes because the Republic did the same during war they would have young man and women to fight most only 18 so their was no difference it a horrible trust of war it not right or justified but sometimes is required

[@roberthall843]

Think they thought that the kids was going to die anyway so give them a fighting chance., better to fight and die than run and dye later

[@SkinnyEatWorld95]

The Brotherhood of Darkness is lame. They got what they deserved.

[@kingshadow8782]

Hey!

[@NealsThoughts]

Well, if your steal babies went would you think child soldiers are bad?

[@EthanKironus8067]

This is why the unceasing hatred of The Acolyte make no sense. It wasn't great, but nobody, literally nobody, has denied that it did its damndest to show the Jedi's complexities on a subtler scale. And whatever anyone has to say about the show's overall quality, about its "agenda" toward fans, about all the myriad flaws, it did a fine job of that. So please be a little kinder to it, you don't have to like it but don't treat it as evil? That polarized rhetoric is no small part of why people lash back out in defence of the show--if we should learn anything from Star Wars it's that hatred and malice only begets more of the same, and once we actually sit down to talk about it we'll realize that we agree about a lot more than we realize. Saying something "isn't SW" just gets in the way of "X and Y could have been done better, this is one way that it could be improved," and I don't think there's anybody on the face of God's green earth who can straight-facedly say that the latter isn't better than the former. Plus Episode 5's fight scene is brilliant.

[@polo75335]

Yes like us humans can judge that, we do the same thing. But ignore our own history.

[@Scallywaag]

This never really hit me until Ahsoka in live action. Seeing the flashback child soldier Ahsoka was a gut punch.

[@toomanygrenades]

2+2=Spice.

[@fortunecookie4080]

"Padawans were not seen as children" probably a good thing the Jedi didn't allow relations then. 🤔

[@emanate0]

breh

[@kevin-2.1]

No but as students.

[@Ziggy-u5z]

Ethically questionable to say the least but if the generation of younglings would have triumphed assuming order 66 didn't accur the would have been a different breed of jedi to pass the mantle too let's be honest

[@ianalphax8875]

Jedi : kidnapping children and put them in a cult. The galaxy : 🙈

[@thomasbardoux1692]

That's the thing, they're neither kidnapped nor enter a cult

[@westongarner-qo2ez]

274th like!👍 Awesome video!🤘 Keep up the awesome work!🤘😎🤘

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

Warhammer 40k: I don't see what the problem is. Star Wars: Huh. Whaddya know; finally something we agree on.

[@96smittyjr]

I think that’s one of the most eye-opening points of the Ahsoka show is when they show you how old she actually was when she was fighting in the clone war . On the outside, you know it, but to actually see her as a teenager fighting it really pulls at your heartstrings, realizing how absolutely desperate the Jedi Order was. She’s not only seeing her comrades die, but in a number of incidences, she is actively ordering them to death, which is hard on any commanding officer, but even more hard on each child. Honestly it’s something that I think is done really well in the rise of the red blade book is showing the lengths that the order was willing to go in order to win. Say what about the book because I personally found it not that enjoyable and more like a fanfic but there are some really interesting in it. I think to me what was one of the most interesting things was the graduation ceremony and depicting how many of the Padawan who were knighted lost their masters only days earlier.

[@DavidGarcia-kw4sf]

This is one of the reasons that I like "The Clone Wars" so much. The animated series, produced by George Lucas, goes into quite a lot of detail and shows the Jedi in a less favorable light. Not that they are bad, but neither are they perfect either. They have plenty of flaws and we get to see them in this show.

[@dixbowman3452]

Yes they killed any force sensitive that wouldn't join them. Thats evil. They took kids from their families. Thats evil. They couldn't have attachment to their family's Thats evil. Anakin was right. Evil jedi. Sith is worse but jedi is also bad.

[@aliastheabnormal]

Hundreds of people die to giant space bugs. Windu: It was the will of the force. Republic awakens giant kaiju and has them rampage on the capital Windu: It was the will of the force. Padawan framed for a terrorist attack and then thrown under the bus to suck up to a Sith lord. Windu: It was the will of the force. Order 66. Windu: Would you look at the time? Gotta run!

[@robertnelson9599]

That's what happens when you are taught never to form attachments to anything or anyone. You stop caring about what happens to other people, even your neighbors.

[@GGBlaster]

Windu has never said that, and he opposed bringing the Zillo beast to Coruscant

[@zionmarcelo]

the jedi and sith are actually both dark side, the sith are just honest... what they did to ahsoka, not helping anakins mother, not doing anything about galactic slavery, creating a clone army(this is supet villain level), forcibly taking children and training them to be child soldiers, no consent from parents or child, outlawing love and personal relationships(only PDFs would think of this), the intolerance to the other interpretations/ users of the force, the political machinations, also did nothing to piracy and drugs

[@WinterLady87]

1. The Jedi did plenty to stop slavery, that was one of their primary jobs. The Zygerian slavers hated the Jedi for not allowing them to expand their empire 2. The Jedi had no lawful authority to stop slavery on Tatooine or free Anakin's mother. Tatooine was part of Hutt space, not the Republic. It's like cops going into a different country and demanding their country's laws be followed. 3. The Jedi didn't create the Clone army. Sifo-Dyas was manipulated into doing so, then murdered. That's very clearly shown in AotC when the Council is shocked after Obi Wan brings the news about the Clone army being commissioned. 4. Children are not taken forceably from their parents. There is not a single instance where this is brought up in Lore. If a child has living parents, they are asked, and if the parents say no, it's no. 5. The Jedi famously hate politics. Unfortunately, due to the Ruusan Reformation after the last Sith war, the Jedi were tied to the Senate and a lot of their autonomy was taken away. That became an issue as the Senate became increasingly corrupt and the Jedi had very few legal options to counter them. 6. The Council messed up with Ahsoka. They also apologized after everything and offered to reinstate her as a Knight. People make mistakes, doesn't make them evil.

[@zionmarcelo]

@@WinterLady87 hahaha the jedi are outside of govt, they do what the council dictates, they are like james bond they can do whatever to do their mission, if you watch the prequels its all about politics, oh yes they didnt 'create' the clones they are just the 'end user' just semantics, it is the lore that the jedi take all young force sensitive children never heard of anyone being allowed to refuse, and ahsoka, not only did the council not admit any mistake, they kicked her from the order....that's why I really hate all these retcons that ahsoka wants to be a jedi

[@carlgreen8972]

Video is right child soliders is a truly horrible practice but it is also as old as militaries as a concept and alive and well today, speaking from personal experience but, in the US the VAST majority of military recruits come from fresh high school grads. I am aware about the legal distinction of minor vs legal adult but anyone who has spent time around teens will absolutely confirm that 18 year olds are still kids. Its their lack of real world experience, solidified self identity and morals, while entering their physical prime is what makes them desirable candidates to be indoctrinated into the military culture and mindset of obedience. Just look at the Clones for example, the shines though fully mature physically are mentally only 9 and the Clone GAR is one of the finest fighting forces the galaxy has ever seen

[@Tyler-k2o]

If you truly believe there is no death only the force, kids dying would literally mean nothing to you. Theres some actual religions that prove that.

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[@UnforgivingLuck]

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[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 678 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

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[@joerents7902]

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[@helix7773]

Although Ahsoka learned and became a greater version of herself on the battlefield, I ultimately think it wasn't right to put a child there and so do the Jedi (at least partially) since they have the rule that if their numbers are high enough, then Padawans don't get deployed. If it was truly right to send them, then the numbers of fully trained Jedi Knights wouldn't have mattered. That said, the value of a Jedi forged from Padawan to Knight on the battlefield cannot be understated. They are more reliable in battle, more steady in their mindset, and far more effective at protecting (or destroying) virtually anything. Ultimately its up to the will of the people in that universe to make their voices heard and stop the Jedi if they truly disagree. If they haven't already, it may be because they see the reason why such things must be allowed to continue.

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

Order 66 is looking better than before

[@kevin-2.1]

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[@christopherkidwell9817]

In other words, they were religious zealots.

[@waffleboywonder8868]

Yeah Im usually a staunch Jedi defender but I honestly have no rebuttal about this other than the public not caring themselves and even praising killing younglings. Children should not be soldiers a lesson that shouldn't even need to be taught honestly.

[@aramisone7198]

That a person is an adult at the age of 18 is a modern thing and Padawans did have training they were not helpless its not the best solution but they gain experience in a war .

[@waffleboywonder8868]

I'm not saying it's evil outright just that it's not moral from a real life perspective. Kids can and have irl have performed well in combat still doesn't mean they should. It's one thing to kidnap children to protect them that's a darker shade of grey but obviously it's with genuinely good intentions better the Jedi than the sith. It's another thing indoctrinating a child for combat it's honestly no better than the empire which I think was intentional episode 3 especially is all about hypocrisy especially regarding the Jedi.

[@Charlie-f4q4o]

No sory your rong

[@Gor85]

I agree. Sending children to was is terrible. No excuse. Ahsoka is great exception-pupil of Anakin. Anakin thought her all you said. But still this is terrible. May the Force be with you too😊

[@Abudzin]

That's why those younglings needed to be stopped. It was all in their best interest so they wouldn't be thrust into war as child soldiers! My boy Anakin always doing what's right ❤