Why the Leica M9 is so unique - Review by professional photographer Thorsten von Overgaard

[@DreKC]

Really glad that there is a channel dedicated to Leica photography...

[@villegas24]

I'm glad that he actually knows what he is talking about and not another obnoxious leica shooter

[@nickfanzo]

Why? It’s just a camera , it’s the image that matters

[@BrianPex]

Laughed at the "They will think you're being artistic" when waiting for buffer. Lol. Ha ha ha

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

It works :-)

[@williamrhodes1996]

Yes!! That had me cracking up too haha

[@C_R_Saltwater]

One of the most useful and comprehensive reviews I've ever seen. True mastery at work.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. Glad you liked it :-)

[@andreika6681]

really useful is this one : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGqbgmerq9NsaNk to understand how much it's just about a hype, not about IQ

[@hakanarl9461]

I am a Leica M9 user also. I live in Istanbul and I had Leica Turkey send my M9 to Germany to get the sensor with rust problem solved by changing the sensor. Now with the new sensor I am again so much happy with it. Leica M9 is a joy to shoot with.

[@FauxmaGaming]

cal m no it's free to get the corroded sensor changed.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Glad to hear that :-)

[@TheTaxler]

leicarumors.com/2017/05/15/leica-to-end-the-free-ccd-sensor-replacement-for-older-m9m9-pm-emonochrom-cameras-on-august-15th-2017.aspx/ - The free sensor replacement by Leica will end on the 15th of August 2017 -

[@rj1031]

Watching this video and seeing my files when I had the M9 makes me want to get one again. Thanks Mr. Overgaard!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Sorry about that. Did you get one? ;-)

[@joakimpersson9425]

Thanks for another great clip! I love my M9, bought it used with a new sensor last year. Went from a Nikon DSLR to the M9. My hobby has turned into a passion with the Leica.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

They should buy that as a slogan: "My hobby has turned into a passion with the Leica" :-)

[@joakimpersson9425]

Magic Of Light Hehe! True for many users I guess 😀

[@ridvanyavuz5030]

That was my best video I watched about the cameras especially leica. I got the taste of professionalism. Thank you.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you! Very welcome.

[@robertolouth7468]

Love my CCDs Leicas, great review, thank you

[@musicfan9643]

I wish I'd begun watching these years ago. The most interesting and informative Leica related videos anywhere

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you!

[@Daniel-xn6os]

Really great review, thank you for being so informed and avoiding all the pretentions of Leica. You talk about the real reasons/issue of owning a Leica, thank you!

[@adamchen279]

Beautiful review. I love how much you love your camera.

[@resiek80]

Adam Chen it's just a piece of metal and glass, it's not deserve for love God sake!

[@marlonb.8243]

I love my M9 enough to have the sensor cover glass replaced. That is the one big flaw in the M9. But I love its feel, its character, and the sensor's rendition. To me, it's like film.

[@Antiqueanalytics]

Great content, as usual..... Thanks so much for the information you provide in your videos... From one teacher to another, I always learn so much from your videos/webpage/books...

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you for the feedback!

[@camillebrenes]

Thorsten, I'd love a modern take from you on the M8. I think many others would too, still :)

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Me too, but I simply can't do it. I went straight from Leica R systems with digital back to Leica M9. I was supposed to get the Leica M8.2 but then the Leica M9 came. So I've missed the whole M8 experience. I still see it as a great b&w camera (because it has great monochrom tones) and a infrared camera for those who like to do that. And it's a very economical way into the Leica M system now!

[@camillebrenes]

Thank you for replying Thorsten. I understand. In light of that, I went ahead and did a review ... fwiw, just my two cents on the matter :). photographic-central.blogspot.com/2017/09/leica-m8-rangefinder-diary-of-realigned_4.html

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Very nice. I will likely make an M8 page on my site with links to relevant reviews and articles.

[@camillebrenes]

Great, thank you! :) Good idea I think. Your site is such a wealth of info for photography and Leica in general Thorsten- it will add to your running library here. Likewise I was already thinking about adding a direct link to your site from my blog, so I will do that as well.

[@andreabuscemi1985]

Congratulations on the passion and dedication you put into your videos. Thanks also for your advice.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you :-)

[@tonyjones99]

I've had my M9 five years, a beautiful camera to use.

[@akbarassaran7736]

I know many photographers who still use their Leica M9/M9P even though they have the budget to get the latest model! Great video as always.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you!

[@AlGreenLightThroughGlass]

Hard core - admire your dedication

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you!

[@UKBROOKLYN]

I just watched this video again. This video was one of the main reasons I bought a used M9, Well this and the reams of pages you have written about this camera. I got a really nice condition one with the most updated sensor. I feel like I am back in my film days again. Simple uncomplicated and beautiful files. The slow screen does not bother me at all.. Frankly I could do without as I am not a chimper.(also the battery lasts a lot longer) I have been borrowing Leica lenses from a friend of mine and comparing with a couple of vintage Canon and Voigtlander lenses I have. For me I am getting fine results with all. I had been using Fujifilm as they were as close as possible to old school film cameras. But the Leica is in another realm altogether. I feel like I am Making instead of Taking now..I love the shutter sound but would love it more if it was a little quieter. Thanks for all your advice Mr T

[@tomfedderer130]

Thorsten, after i read your M9 review on your webside i was hoping you make a video about it. Such a joy watching it now! Recently bought an M9 and i'm lovin it. Keep up that videos... 👍🏽

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you!

[@vicibox]

I almost bought a Leica M9 this time last year but, after humming and hahing for a month I bought a Leica X 113 untried which had just come out. Really I just bought it as a city compact and had no great expectations; OMG the astonishing image quality, its now my main camera. Gosh it totally changed the way I photograph things and really I see my upgrade path now being to a Leica Q if they ever bring one out with a 35mm lens. Well not only have i been delighted to use Leica but I have gone back to using film as well so my father's old Leica IIIg and M3 will get a new lease of life. This time last year I would have never guessed that a year on I would have dumped my DSLRs and be using film again, let alone the Fuji GW690 III 6x9 medium format camera which is arriving from Japan at the end of the week, it will provide me with a 40x90mm panoramic negative; the X113 started me cropping panoramas and I have been using that format for street photography a lot this year (the cafe photo on my banner was the first of them last spring, I immediately saw the crop and thought Hopper Night Owls and my photography had changed for ever). Thank you for your videos which played a huge role in me choosing Leica last year. This year is going to be very exciting I think ;-)

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The Fuji is quite a camera. Nice idea!

[@FraiseRaboteuse]

This is a terrific, calm, reflective film and as others have said, your dry humour works really well. FWIW, I've used a Leica for a number of years but when I bought a Nikon D810 for professional work (instant focussing) I discovered the pictures people were choosing as their favourites were taken on an M9 using a Canadian 50mm Summicron. Hah!

[@bassputz]

I'm glad I still held on to my M9 even though I use the M10 mostly now.

[@FlipBerk]

Great video , saw it lots of time and every time I learn more , thanks !!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you :-)

[@rezzab]

Thanks for that, I got my M9 a few weeks after it had been released, I was fortunate to have had a small legacy and could just about afford it, I still use it more than all my other digital cameras, I did have an M3 many years ago so I had no trouble knowing how to focus it, mine is like yours, I don't treat it with kid gloves it gets used, a lot of brass showing through, if I could only have one camera it would be my M9.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes, it's a wonderful feeling having had the Leica M9 since the first days.

[@henrybn14ar]

These work nicely with ancient lenses such as the 1950s vintage Elmars with a diaphragm with so many blades that the aperture is perfectly circular, giving nice bokeh. Also the tiny MS Perar range.

[@dierktopp4780]

Thorsten, we all know your relation to Leica, BUT I did not hear one word (or did I miss it?) about the sensor corrosion problem! When I got one of the very first M9 in 2009 one row of pixels where missing - Leica QC? In 2014 I noticed strange patterns on the pictures, later known as sensor corrosion. I sent the camera to Leica and got a free repair. At that time I started a thread in the Leica forum, asking, who has the same problem, and got about 2.400 answers!! I got fed up and sold the M9. BUT I had the M Monochrom already with the same CCD sensor, bought one of the very first in 2012. If I would have known the construction fault of the sensor at that time, I would not have bought any CCD Leica again. I loved and love the B&W images of the MM, but used the Sony more and more for B&W and also some analog cameras like the Hasselblad. Three weeks ago I used the MM and again noticed some strange spots. Leica customer care wrote, that it needs a new sensor because of the corrosion problem (they did not use this word!). The camera is more that 5 years old and Leica charges the customers about 1.500€ now for their production fault!! This is about half of the price of a used MM with a new sensor! This is the highest drop of value from all my camera gear in over 50 decades! They punish engaged Leica buyers, who buy a new product. You better buy a Leica, that is several years on the market, after the early customers found the problems. Infrared: you mentioned the M8 for infrared. I used the MM for IR with 720nm filters and got great pictures, it works great for IR. good luck with your M9 dierk

[@thefox7149]

I bought my M9 a week ago and simply love it. Besides, I really enjoy your videos. Hope you will have a Workshop in Zürich some day.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. Not Zurich on the current lineup, but Munich, Milano and Frankfurt are :-)

[@thefox7149]

Magic Of Light Close enough I guess. :) I will check of I can manage one of it.

[@owRekssjfjxjxuurrpqpqss]

So how did it end up going from "impossible" to making a full frame digital Leica to possible? I really still would like an M9 or an M240, hopefully when the M10 is announced they drop more in price, I'm picking up an M6 with a summicron soon so having a digital Leica as well would be nice since I'd presumably be building a small collection of Leica lenses. I think the better ISO performance would make me want the m240 over the M9 but the massive cost difference makes me want to wait until the rumored M10 and see if the cost of the 240 goes down

[@AtelierMarsViolet]

It was impossible to make a full frame digital Leica using the sensor technology which existed prior to 2009. Film can capture light from any angle, but image sensors need the light to hit the sensor straight-on. The problem was that Leica lenses sit so close to the film/sensor plane that the light exiting the lens hits the sensor at acute angles along its edges, meaning that without some sort of correction, there is extreme vignetting. So Leica had Kodak design a sensor with micro-lenses at its edges to correct the incident angles of light.

[@KaisuiSTFC]

Someday I'm going to get an M9, my only concern is the sensor corrosion issue... by the way, what are your opinions on the M7?

[@diegaulle9143]

Just want to state that from spring 2017 they do not replace it for free anymore

[@nabeelbaig8239]

Hi Thorsten, thanks so much for your videos, this is a great channel. Your M9 review couldn't have come at a better time, I have just reserved an M9 after waiting a year to get into this particular rangefinder system. I purchased the lens I wanted first, the 50mm Summilux 1.4 as I saw a reasonable deal for it, and have been weighing up whether I should purchase the M240 or the M9. After seeing your video I think I will go with the M9 as an introduction to the Leica system, plus it is a lot of money for me. Unfortunately I missed your photography workshop in last week in London but hope to attend one in future. I really love your photography work and it's images such as yours which have developed my passion for this art. Keep sharing your work and thoughts with us please. All the best.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thanks, great to hear. I think the Leica M9 is a unique experience and one it's a great thing to have gone through. The Leica M9 has so much soul.

[@danielrao3120]

A superb review with a lot of useful information. A really cool video. Many thanks.

[@stoystorieschannel3574]

Excellent review and channel! Thanks Mr. von Overgaard. Hope to assist to one of your workshops soon (why not in Montreal)! Cheers! Dan

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you :-)

[@rezzab]

Thankyou, I bought my M9 when it first appeared, I had used an M3 many years ago so I understood it, I've had the corrupt sensor replaced, they also checked the rangefinder and calibrated it, they suggested I have a new cover, I paid for that, I see you are like me you are left eye dominant, not using you right eye on the viewfinder, I use the camera a lot and have never has the desire to get a more recent model, it still produces fine work, if I want top quality images its the M9, I had a Sony A850 FF but I don't own that anymore.

[@claudiuskundanmal5401]

Love the b&w photos

[@TheMishupo]

Aperture, usb, battery, manual focus, delete button, iso button, sd card.. but what is unique about the m9 except from its price?

[@HibikiKano]

Silly question but...would you still buy an M9 in 2019? I am somewhere between getting an M9 or saving some money and getting something cheaper and newer like a Leica T.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes, the Leica M9i is still worth having, and for many a classic camera that has a lot o soul and slow-down qualities while making high quality result. I still use mine from time to time, but nwer cameras have things you get to get used to, like faster speed. The Leica M-E240 they are introducing this summer is a remake of the M240, but for only $3,995. www.overgaard.dk/Leica-M-Type-240-aka-Leica-M10-digital-rangefinder-camera-page-30.html The Leica T is a different beast, and you may liek it. But it's a different type (and migth lead to Leica M in any case).

[@HibikiKano]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Very true. I was looking at other cameras testing most them out. I swore I would never buy a Leica due to the price and me not being a professional (so not needing a camera that good). But the more I play with various different cameras the more I'm looking towards a Leica M. There is just something about them. Also thanks for the link, just found your channel and website and am still reading around. So far it is the most in depth camera review for ANY camera I have ever read. If the M-E240 will really be limited to 750 cameras, I quite doubt I will find it in time before they are gone. Will see what kind of widow with a Leica to sell I can find :D

[@genxl86]

Thank you for your video! So assuring that I had chose the old M-E over M240 2 years ago.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. Yes, the M-E is a nice camera.

[@uhoh007]

Very nice overview. The M9 screen: small, so less exposure to risk. You did not mention it can also be used to very accurately check focus, quickly. You don't have to wait for the pic to "pop" in to zoom, just tap up and roll the wheel. Pick any spot and you can tell, without doubt, what is in focus, even with the fastest lenses. M9 is fantastic backcountry camera, and ski camera. ISO made me buy fast lenses, LOL What maybe you might have mentioned: the 50 lux and 28 cron prefer M9. Especially the 28. I saw some fall out of love with those lenses using 240--which they prefered to M9. I use M9, A7 kolari, and A7r2. Excellent presentation, thank you.

[@Avenlock]

Mr overgaard, curious if you are getting the Leica q2 ? What are your thoughts?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

See the LEICA Q2 video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/onm4q5-Kmb5_rKs

[@youtoo62]

Very happy you decided to come out with the "Magic of Light" videos. They are interesting and informative as is your website. I have learned so much from your website articles and reviews. I would love to see a review of the Leica M-P 240 on the Magic of Light someday. Also why don't you do a workshop in Saint Barth in the Caribbean. I think you and Princess Joy would love it and you can be sure I'd sign up. It is paradise there. By the way, I bought two of your ventilated lens shades and they fit like a glove. High quality and stylish too.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. I've actually been to St Barth some years ago. Difficult to arrange a workshop there as it's quite a distance for most people. Big cities works the best. But not unlikely we'll be in the area again this or next year.

[@nayuki2020]

How did you have Leica engravings on all of your cameras? Did you customize it when making a purchase or is it added afterwards at some place?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Leica can add engravings later, usually cost 250 Euro or so. Sometime they won't, on certain models. But you can always ask (they do logo, text, signature, etc).

[@Sams911]

how does the M10 adjust frame lines for when you're using a 35 vs 50 vs 70, etc? with no selector switch?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

It does so automatically. The lens triggers the frame lines with a little metal tab on the bayonet. The frame selector is for you to preview what other frames would be doing (the idea is that you view through he camera viewfinder and then change frames and think, "Oh, better put on a wider 28mm to get what I want". In reality, the frame selector is mostly for nostalgic reasons. But it still works great for those 5% or so who uses it.

[@Sams911]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard thank you! I've been binge watching all of your Leica M videos.. I love them. You are a wealth of info. I just bought an M10P and .95 Noctilux... Lots of fun ahead. I hope you do a dedicated video on this combo sometime and how to get the most from it!

[@Sams911]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard btw, would you return the M10P and get the M10R assuming they gave you a $2000 discount on the P?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

@@Sams911 It all dependes on sensor quality

[@Sams911]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard I guess what I am asking is, if we assume a similar quality but more mega pixel count, would you spend the $2000 extra? Or is there a diminishing return to more pixels vs dollars spent?

[@angrd020]

I thoroughly enjoy your videos, especially this review. I also have a deep respect for your approach to photography. I'm applying some of your perspective to my photographic projects. Thank you for being a great source of inspiration.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. Great feedback!

[@StefanDressmaker]

Fantastic review Thorsten! It's also great to see that I'm not the only person who looks through the viewfinder with the left eye :)

[@mickturner9201]

Love the Leica M, Still using my Leica R7 most days.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

R7 is a classic. Beautiful camera.

[@SIGSOLO]

Great review!! Which 50mm lens is the best a an M9 camera? I'm considering buying one for my M9.

[@diegaulle9143]

You have to pick a fast one because as he says, usable ISO goes as far a s 800 (specially for color). Either you go for any Summilux ranging back to the older versions depending on your budget if you dont care about size, weight o finder blockage o go for a Summicron. I own the last one before the outstanding APO and even it is not stellar in any characteristic, it is a brilliant allrounder. If you are unsure do not buy new. You can always resell any used Leica lens and wont lose money.

[@maze400]

Thinking of getting a M9 but it has sensor corrosion on the top and bottom, is it worth buying?

[@sylviahoke7513]

Hi there ! So informative.! Thank you, learning much about Leica. Soon first time buyer. Choosing can be a task.! Sheesh.! Can you recommend an old vintage lens for $200-$400 for the M9?

[@hoodie1994]

The only camera on the market which is as nice as the Leica M9 is the Olympus pen f..:) By the way ..nice video (as always), your channel is awesome! Keep the great work going.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you. I remember the Pen, I was tempted but never went there.

[@azizlfv]

what is the lens that is on the M9 ?, thanks

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Mainly the 50mm Noctilux www.overgaard.dk/leica-50mm-Noctilux-M-ASPH-f-095.html

[@Raychristofer]

Hello Thorsten how are you? I wanted to ask you a rangefinder question in an email but I think viewers may benefit from the question also. Older vintage lenses have beautiful character as we know, the flares and out of focus areas. when using an slr or mirrorles cam with EVF we can see through the lens all the different things the lens is doing and get it just right before taking the shot. Rangefinders though (which Ive never tried one as yet) you cant see if its flaring over the subjects face, or whether the Dof is too shallow and things like that. my question is isnt a rangefinder limiting in that way for creative artistic shots where youre trying to use the character of the lens to the full? Ive never seen anyone talk about this before. thanks

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes and no. With an EVF you can see depth of field, flare and all other things. And you can add an EVF to the Leica M240 and M10 which are the two later models of the Leica M. And then you can mount the Leica lenses on Panasonic, Fujifilm, Sony, etc On the M9 and any other rangefinder, part of the creative artistic beauty is that you envision the image and work rather intuitive with it. You are not slowed down with the EVF or anything else; and often that will result in very intuitive and creative results. Of course you would like the guarantee that it will work (hence the EVF), but it actually does work very well without the EVF and with the rangefinder alone. With this photo session, the flare photo is doing a series of slightly moving the camera and calculating (on the fly) the difference between the viewfinder and lens position, as well as what the sunlight might do in the lens. One of them worked well, and that was the final one. The sunlight is not as strong as the image suggest (it comes through the trees before sunset), and there's a reflector blasting a lot of light back on the face as well. www.overgaard.dk/the-story-behind-that-picture-0058_gb.html

[@Raychristofer]

You know what Thorsten, those 3 BW photos of that model really came out remarkable, especially the flare shot how it didnt obscure her face. many times I see photos on Flickr shot by Leicas and I usually cant see the special character difference but in that set i finally see what a Leica lens image can be, especially since you said these were not heavily edited.You know Ive been holding back from signing up for your mailing list to make sure you earn it lol but I Im gonna finally sign up, the way you explained how the aperature is placed in the lens at the point where the light turns upside down showed to me you know technicalities of photography beyond average. respect bro

[@noctilux13]

Magic Of Light what do you think if i use leica lens on fuji x camera? will the image close or the same if i use the m240?

[@alejandrometzger8815]

Raychristofer

[@atatexan]

Very good presentation. Thank you.

[@johnellard]

Trying to decide between the M8 or the M9? For the M9 I need to find one with a replacement sensor. The M8 is older but I have read the sensor makes fantastic images regardless of less megapixels. Is the M9 worth the extra money over the M8? Im not a professional so don’t need all the bells and whistles.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The game is to find an M9 with a good sensor. It can corrode, even if it has been replaced. The replacement sensor was the similar sensor for a long while, it is only recently they made a new one that didn't corrode at all. So you get an M9, and cross your fingers. In worst case you need the sensor replaced at some point in time. Or maybe never.

[@austinrapp8990]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard just picked up an M9 with the original sensor. it's clean and I figured if it hasn't had issues by now it should be good. fingers crossed!

[@illyaswan]

I've been looking into buying a Leica M9 to go along with my x-pro2. There is a lot of info on the M9's sensor corrosion. Do you know if all M9 sensors are destined to go bad over time or the ones that have been fine for 5+ years should be alright?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Hard to say if they would all go bad, but I would estimate there's a good change you need to change sensor at some point, unless the camera have already had it's sensor changed. Leica Customer Service can inform on that based on serial number. Then again, I wouldn't worry greatly about it. I had sensors changed in all my cameras, and I never noticed anything. It was during regular servicing they estimated they wanted to change sensors.

[@hxyume]

Hi Thorsten, love your work and the videos! Mind to tell where you bought the strap on your M9?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Dear Chong, You can see the different straps and who makes them here: www.overgaard.dk/Leica-M-Type-240-aka-Leica-M10-digital-rangefinder-camera-page-34-sexy-stuff-for-the-worlds-most-sexy-camera.html

[@TheGreatLoco]

Does it makes sense to buy a M9 with Zeiss 2/35 or 1.5/50 lenses?

[@shamikchoudhury5924]

Question,..does M9 freezes sometimes if original leica battery or card is not used? Leica M8 has no such problems. What about M10?

[@Sniper5354]

Thank you so much Thorsten for this informative review. Now in 2018 I am still struggling to upgrade my M9 to an M10. I would never hesitate to buy new Leica lenses and that's what I have been doing all these years till presently. The major issue is image quality and I am not interested in the latest Leica cameras with CMOS sensors at all. Take a look at trees and green leaves, CMOS lacks the "freshness" and the kind of "emerald glow" that CCD could readily deliver. To me images taken with an M9 looks like the sound of a first press vinyl whilst those taken by an M10 looks like the sound of a high resolution DSD11.2MHz file. If Leica makes one new CCD camera with the latest technology, I would buy one without any hesitation. Introspectively, do Leica aficionados really need high SD card writing speed, high ISO performance, and user-friendliness? My only worry is how long my M9 and its batteries are going to last.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Interesting thought that Leica should make a CCD camera. They would sell well, but it might not be possible to get enough CCD sensors, or any at all. That's one of the problems with cameras today; that the parts are not being made anymore. For example the shutter in the M10 is the same as the big Nikon, but few cameras uses shutters these days, so it becomes a rare part to get made. Making something for just Leica becomes an expensive and complicated task, they have to rely on existing technology being produced. But yes, a CCD classic Leica ... it would be fun :-)

[@Sniper5354]

@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Thank you Thorsten I had purchased an M10P late last year. As far as image quality is concerned, the highlights are very unnatural in my opinion especially when taking portraits. As a result of this I bought one film MP and one MA afterwards since I had completely given up hope on Leica's CMOS based cameras. I am currently looking for an M9P in good condition. As an aside I just want to let you know that an M9 with an APO50 lens work wonders. Forget about the resolution stuff. This combo paints very nice colours. I don't know why but APO50 provides more realistic colours than APO Summicron 75 and APO Summicron 90. Despite the fact that all have been given the designation of APO, the "APO" of APO50 seems to be better. One more interesting observation: whenever I take portraits with M9+APO50, the tiny reflections in the eyes of individuals always glitter more.

[@Chinboy311]

What are your thoughts on the rumoured M10??

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I don't have any opinions till I've used it for a while.

[@mglures]

Wonderful video! I've always had Leica ownership on my bucket list and you've inspired me to make it happen so I'm on the hunt for a used M9. Prices don't seem quite as low as what you mentioned in the video though-- decent bodies in the 2700-3000 range and the 35mm f/2.5 around 1200---a good starter kit I think. Reading the content on your website and enjoying you're book. Thanks for all of it!

[@zoltankaparthy9095]

Skin tones, IIRC Agfa had reddish-orange skin tones and perhaps the folks who wrote and tuned the software were influenced by both Kodak and Agfa. I liked Agfa as in photographing a chateau in Kodachrome it looked fresh-painted while in Agfachrome it looked more natural. As always, YMMV

[@strikkflypilot927]

Loved the informative review. Now maybe a stupid question, how do I really know that the camera needs an adjustment/ service? Mine has about 20000 exposures, very little dust on the sensor, focus seems spot on. I see a lot of people having their camera serviced, I seldom see them explaining why...

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

If the focus is spot on, there's no reason to service the camera. Only if the focus is off or the camera took some rough hits it needs service. As for sensor cleaning, one can either do it oneself, or use a pro photo store nearby that offers sensor cleaning. I prefer to have someone clean my sensors who are used to it. Better cleaning and it's not my problem.

[@strikkflypilot927]

Thanks for the sensible answer.

[@sheuhauchow]

Thank you very much for the great tips and inspirations you have shared! Very very much appreciated!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you!

[@BeingWolfy]

Great review! Thank you. What is the link on your website to the Lightroom plugin to remove the red and orange?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

It was never made for download. Only workshop students got it from me, and it's in the Lightroom Survival Kit. Might put it up in the store when I get the M-D 262, Leica Q and other presets ready for it.

[@BeingWolfy]

Oh, I see. I must have missed that in the video. Thanks for your reply. I'm really enjoying your videos, btw.

[@Phil.Austin]

I learnt so much thanks

[@ricardofigueira8975]

And about the M8 vs M9 ? the big difference is that M9 is full frame ? I have the M8 and I love it!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I never got the M8. I was using Leica R with digital back and just when I was ready for digital M, the M9 came out so that was the first one I worked with. Many still use the M8 and M8.2 which is a proof that it works.

[@nickturner6243]

Hi Thorsten. In your opinion, what's the best place/website to buy a used Leica in terms of price, condition and reliability?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I don't have any particular favorite. Most sites you find with Leica are reliable, unless it looks too good to be true. That is the rule that also goes for eBay. If it looks too good, it probably is (and a fake post). I'll buy from stores and from websites depending on where I am, what they can deliver, the VAT rules and trying to avoid to send thins across from where it may hang in customs.

[@diegaulle9143]

Hands down Leica forum directly from the owner who actually shot with it.

[@rajeshoa71]

Excellent camera

[@12qwert345]

what watch is that ?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

It's a www.karlfalk.com with Hermes strap. One-arm like the old clocks in Europe. The original strap is also nice but I've worn two of them out and decided to try a Hermes strap this time.

[@gkh50]

Great review... been starting to look at a DSLR, yes there are the Canon's etc but the old school less tech is appealing but did not think of an M9 due to age.. may just stretch my budget a bit now. Good tip on the ebay search. I do a lot of traveling with work so hence the move to DSLR.

[@picnicsinspace198]

awesomme i am saving for the m9

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Nice!

[@69utub]

Hi Thorsten, just bought my first digital leica M8, what do you think about it today? I got a great bargain, so I simply take the chance

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

That is totally workable.

[@robertwickline347]

Would you recommend the M8 for a first Leica or should I just go the extra mile for the M9?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I would go the extra mile I think, to get full-frame sensor. But that's all.

[@carolineandtigger]

Very nice. I learned something today. Thank you for sharing.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you :-)

[@jamesbrickert1301]

Great Video, thanks! Can't afford a Leica yet. Did find a Minolta CLE in mint condition with all the lenses at an estate sale. Love using it. Keep up the good work.

[@kenlee3892]

Hey Thorsten Noctilux or 75mm summilux??

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Noctilux I would say. The look is very much the same, and so is the 80mm Summilux-R f/1.4 that was made for the R system (about $1,000 second-hand). The 75mm has a long focus thread and it's a bigger lens. The Noctilux is just so damn sexy it's hard not to keep wanting one even you found anything that looks close to it ...

[@HelmutMinten]

Sorry, Thorsten! That I raise this topic once again, just being curious! - I want to get into (digital) Leica! I have an analog M4-P and watched your videos. I can't afford a M10 and comparing a M240 and a M9 you go recommend a M9- But why? Does it makes a difference, that I do Streetphotopgraphy!? - M240 seems to be better, getting into Leica! Here are the reasons why! It is heavier, a little bit bigger and feels sturdier. It has a LiveView, making it easier to focus and get the picture in hard situations. - It has LED-Light, where the M9 needs a third window...What about lowlight-situations?! The M240 can be equipped with an IVF, making it easier to focus, especially in lowlight-situations and with wide-angle-lenses. - Taking about ergonomics, the M240 has worse noobs and no cursor. Is that a pity?! And the ISO-Performance ism´t so good! But over all! don't you have to consider, what is your style of photography before you buy a Leica M?!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I would go with whichever makes you lust the mot to get out there. M240 and ME are fairly inexpensive, the M9 going up in price as a classic. M10 will be around as second hand, but not at low prices anytime soon. A good solid used M240 is not a bad idea

[@vu_derArchitekt]

7:00 : following Gilden is a trend now. more and more people try to use flash with leica M.

[@LeePinnington]

Thanks Thorsten for this informative video hope that you continue with these as they really are educational. Would love to have the funds one day to have a Leica and see it with my own eyes the quality of the photographs taken with one. Been real interested in the Leica Q lately but as you say this may cause a desire to own the M240 for the interchangeable lenses. We can always dream I suppose thanks once more

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Keep dreaming and you know ... dreams come true!

[@LeePinnington]

Magic Of Light all the best to you Thorsten! Great reply!

[@LeePinnington]

NIETKO X cheers will do the minute I have the funds. Glad that you're enjoying the M9 looks a fantastic camera. Which lens did you choose to go with it? Thanks

[@LeePinnington]

NIETKO X sounds great! What lens do you have your eye on in the future or are you gonna stay with the 35mm for a while? Thanks

[@LeePinnington]

Understand completely and 35mm is very versatile all the best! Cheers

[@martin701]

Lovely camera and a kind of legend but returned mine as I could not get used to the VERY poor quality of the rear LCD. Many others have commented on this I know, but of course there is no solution. What would be useful is a video with a direct comparison of the typ 262 and the M-D typ 262. It's a tricky choice. My own preference is for the latter but the former has the LCD and is a sensible simplification over the M240. As they say, the freedom of choice is the curse of the western world!

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes, I don't think the LCD is a real problem. You can tell the exposure, and that is what you need to see on the screen. The details is for a larger screen.

[@sergiogodoym4]

Dear Thorsten, I have a leica M8.2 and was thinking upgrading to the M9 mainly for those extra pixels and a couple of extra ISO points and in order to use the lens as they are with no crop factor, I'm not sure since some people claims that the M8 delivers nice files and doesn't worth the upgrading, so clearly you know your stuff, what do you think? Should I upgrade?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The M9 is full frame, the M8 has a crop factor. That is the main reason in my opinion to consider the M9.

[@34136TS]

Thank you for sharing your world Thorsten. Now, can I assume that the M9 monochrom will offer the same pleasures - how is monochrom with the CCD sensor that you mentioned? Many thanks

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The Monochrom sensor is basically the same, just without the Bayer filter (color filter).

[@nickfanzo]

Would you ever shoot film again? Do you ever shoot film for fun once and a while? Curious

[@villagranvicent]

Great review. I been thinking in an M9, but my M8 and its gorgeous Kodak CCD sensor still works like new so its more than enough. Maybe a Zoom Q (something like a full frame Digilux) someday...

[@giacomomargutti215]

Hi Thorsten, thanks for the nice video! Got a quick one for you: given that I already have a Summilux 35mm, for the same budget (around 2k€), would you go for M9 or an M6+Fuji X100F? Thank you.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I think I would go for the Leica M9. It's so classic, and there is the detail that the Leica sensors are optimized for the Leica lenses: There is a very small distance from lens to sensor. I find that Sony, Fuji, etc doesn't really utilize the lenses, and that's a shame when the Leica lens can perform so well....

[@rainbowtod]

well I think 95% with less than 500 dollar leica lens is stretching a little bit. I have old elmar and it cannot compete with modern leica at all.

[@Revangelistautube]

14:55 you really made me laugh... I do that sometimes... :)

[@PONM123]

With all advances in Technology these cameras will also be outdated in a couple of years and that make's it difficult to buy for the majority of the consumers.

[@benficaM8888]

Hi Thorsten, today the price of a used m9 and m240 is only a few hundred dollars difference (almost the same). I can only afford to get one of these. Which one should i go for?

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

The M9 went up in price again, so it's up in the air. In many ways the M240 is superior in ISO, speed and all, but the M9 has the charm somehow. People just can't let go of them. And when they do, they buy them again...

[@vangstr]

Hopefully the new M10 will use a CCD sensor like that of the M9 but with modern updates.

[@t0odamnfast]

CCD sensors have inferior low light performance, and the majority of the industry has abandoned the technology all-together.

[@thomasmorus3406]

And CMOS is much cheaper than CCD Selling the camera with CMOS instead of CCD at the same price point will lead to higher profits. This could be a reason why the industry liked to switch to CMOS :-)

[@mdelpilarcruznovoaoutofmyt3049]

Excelente! Muchas gracias. Se agradece el detalle de la explicación.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Thank you!

[@gavingo8969]

Thank you. Most beautiful review of M9 I have watched. Opted for a mint very low shutter count boxed M9 last year at almost 3800 us$. Broken once lugs went off. Other than this Im really loving the CCD sensor pictures coming from film. Also I can play with lenses compared to a Q with CMOS. This is a good digital supported by the M7 I use. Now hoping to have some more Leica lenses. I have the 28 Elmarit and 50 Summarit. Zeiss 50 Planar and Voigt 35f14. I hope you can do a 28 Summilux review because I cant see anything good in youtube. I tried it in Las Vagas and so nice. The price is just too expensiveü

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

A 28mm Summilux review is coming for sure in some weeks. One of my favorite lenses in terms of design and image quality.

[@gavingo8969]

Magic Of Light Will definitely wait for this. Im WANT an M10 but there is one voice saying buy a Leica lens instead. And for me it will be a 28 lux or a 50 lux the 0.95 is just too expensive or is it worth than the 2?

[@FrankEmil007]

How about the Typ 246 Monohrome? Make a reveiw video about that one? :)

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Not planning a video review of the M 246. I wrote some pages about that camera here: www.overgaard.dk/leica-M-Monochrom-Type-246-Digital-Rangefinder-Camera-black-and-white-sensor-page-29B-The-Leica-M246-Goes-to-Rome.html

[@cl3826]

I just bought an M9-P instead of an M10

[@abefroman5437]

Wise choice

[@CrueLoaf]

I have both and still prefer the M9-P. It's lighter! And imo better colours.

[@abefroman5437]

M9 at base ISO in sunlight is just magic

[@SunshineHB]

How are you liking it? Im seriously considering grabbing one over a 262.

[@-grey]

I never understood lack of high ISO being a problem. I never use anything higher than 3200, and then get creative. I usually even stop down the speed to get an under exposed night time look.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Yes, considering that in the old days folks were able to make night photos with 50 ISO film and f/2.8 or f/4.0 lenses, the quest for higher and higher ISO is a little silly. If one went through the archive most people would learn that a minimum of their photos were in fact taken at high ISO speeds. If I search my archive, 6% of my photos were made with 3200 ISO or higher, and less than 20% were made with any ISO above 200.

[@alexgrd75]

Exposing for the highlight does the trick. I shoot a Leica m6 and a summicron, the max iso I'm pushing my films is 1600. It is more than enough. Not being able to take photos in difficult light conditions is a part of the process too.

[@rodrigoalbertocorrea]

this camera came with a sensor issue and it gets corroded. Before they used to replace it for free, now: "For all camera models listed that were purchased over five years ago, we offer our customers the following programme: from 1.12.2018 onwards, the customer pays a contribution amounting to 1,550 euros (1,303 euros plus 19% VAT) for the replacement of the affected CCD sensor." -- for the sensor !

[@TCKe]

Don't you find the 240 files boring compared to the M9? The new camera just don't have the look and color that sets it apart from other cameras.

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

I think it (always) take a while to get a new camera sensor/model to behave the way you want it. That's how it has been for me with every camera (and scanner) I ever used. I find that after a while (2-3 months), when I review the look, I gained more than I had before. But I also think the truth is that back when we had just one film look, that worked well. And still does, actually. It was less dynamic range, simpler and it worked. I'll get into some of that in a later article/video :-)

[@TCKe]

Love to hear more on that. I see evolution as both positive and necessary, but sometimes we try to reinvent the wheel and we get lost in the process. To me Its about the essence and the transparency of the tool. Bonding with it to the point one does not even notice it anymore and it becomes an extended part of one self... Just because new tech is more efficient does not meen that the criteria is met.

[@mynewcolour]

'One film look'. You have a short memory.

[@AbdulSalam-ek3vj]

"This is LIKE the old school" :)

[@giolee1274]

Hi Thorsten. Big fan of your work. Your blog on the M9 really helped a lot when i got into the Leica system. Quick question, I'm planning to let go of my M9P and get myself a Leica Q. As much as i love the ccd colours coming out of the M9, i need a camera with autofocus. Also the metering of the M9 is something i've struggled with ever since i got the camera (3 years ago). I didn't mind it before though because the image coming out of the camera was fantastic. But lately, i find myself needing a quicker way of snapping shots. How i wish i can afford to keep the M9 and get the Q but budget constraints restricts me on keeping both. I do have the M6 and that one i'm keeping :-)

[@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard]

Some times you need to change things around to see what will work better.

[@giolee1274]

thank you for your reply. means a lot that you find time to respond to inquiries. keep up the good work. loving your channel. :-)