Why The LS is Better Than a SBC

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[@ABs70nova]

I also feel that what really drove ls swaps through the roof was the COLD HARD FACT that literally an extremely small number of us guys in our early 30s down to 18 year olds that can actually fully comprehend how to use a carb and dizzy and tune them to perfection while being able to adjust each differently with each new cam or part you put in. Let alone just get one running. Growing up I had carbs and a dizzy timing light and a vac gauge. Trying to explain how to use them and what timing and A/F ratio and what vacuum truly meant to get a sbc running good was like teaching English to a Chinese person and not knowing Chinese myself. Impossible task. So these younger guys growing just say ls swap and I'll take it to my tuner without actually KNOWING what cam specs and timing and a/f ratio compression ratio and all the real workings of an engine build meant. They could still try and look cool to their buddies by spouting off "ls swap turbo boost horse power zoom zoom" while all us guys that KNOW how to work on a sbc and what combination of parts work best with just n/a get pushed aside. Bottom line is I feel it's like being a professional vs an amateur. But now these amateurs can play at our level without really understanding how systems in an engine really work. Guy that builds a sbc to 500hp and tuning it in their garage KNOWS engines. Kids that ls swap just PRETENDs to know engines That's how I feel the LS game took over the sbc swap world.

[@youthmanrecords965]

Yesssir.

[@KableTac]

I left LS and went back to sbc after having LS for about 15-16 years. For one, while an ls does sound good and really smooth that also makes it boring to listen to all the time because no matter what you do to it they all have "that tone" to them that just gets old. The rougher sound of an sbc firing is just... better in every way. I was also tired of dealing with all the added electronic crap and overall location design, sbc's are insanely simple to work on, everything is half an arm length away and not crammed into tight areas, and much easier to figure out where the problems are. Regardless of the power/money ratio, I have not been happier going back to sbc for the past 2 years, a fraction of the headaches and easy maintenance is worth more than money.

[@Peach_Of_A_Hand]

H pipe changes the ls sound dramatically and makes it more choppy like the sbc

[@Shade_tree_garage01]

@@Peach_Of_A_Hand no it doesn’t

[@Peach_Of_A_Hand]

@@Shade_tree_garage01 Yes It does, I have listened to so many exhaust videos its not funny, an X pipe or a Y pipe makes the LS sound monotone and raspy the H does not, I already have an H pipe and two Borla XR1’s that is going to get put on two Mondays from now.

[@SOLDOZER]

@@Peach_Of_A_Hand It sounds like poo-poo.

[@Peach_Of_A_Hand]

@@SOLDOZER thats a matter of opinion.

[@chuckstruck69]

Well said. They each have there own place!

[@chuckstruck69]

The other thing that people who have never built or owned a 350+hp sbc is, they dont know how rowdy of an engine they are. They can be street driven, but you start having to upgrade cooling systems, and other components to get good street driving out of them. Alot can be done, but not as easily as an LS.

[@nikomartinezflood2064]

SBC is my go to over LS. Its not about the money its about the fun and UNIQUENESS. I have a sbc (yea yea make fun of me), I have a 70mm turbo, soon to be buying 220cc aluminum heads, ill be going coil over plug conversion soon, with a Demon Carb. If I can beat an LS that's all that matters. I don't wanna be just another guy with a turbo LS, I'm tryna be different then crowd not join em. If you know who Billy the Kid from SRC is you would know he humiliates LS motors with a 400 sbc. Everyone's allowed an opinion though

[@robholmes2129]

not a stock block at all in his truck or it would be scattered

[@billscreations1999]

My 97 chevy truck which is my daily has an l31 vortec 5.7/350 which actually has powdered metal rods a windage tray a roller cam, good flowing heads which I slightly ported out I smoothed the ports out but i did not make them any bigger. The only things I've changed on it are the cam and the intake I got an rv grind from gm performance which is obviously a roller and I got a mercruiser marine efi intake on it which gets rid of the fuel spider and gives you a lot more airflow. I did a 0411 pcm swap done on the truck as well and it makes 1 horsepower per cubic inch and has real good drivability.

[@jackperry9369]

Put same motor in a 1996 gmc 2dr jimmy cant wait to fire it up this spring if weather holds up here in Ohio

[@jackperry9369]

Hows it run

[@tristanabell2117]

I favor the SBC because I know and understand them very well. They are more simple in many ways and I think that's why they still have a huge following. The LS is a wonderful platform and are the future of hotroding in my opinion it'll just take a long time for some people to cone around. Lol

[@SniderTron3000]

Ain't nothing wrong with sticking with what you're comfortable with. But at the same time, how did you get comfortable with it? 🤔

[@tristanabell2117]

@@SniderTron3000 your exactly right man.

[@waynetessier3058]

@@SniderTron3000 ; While I agree with every point you made cough,cough what i'm interested in is the other end of the scale as in aftermarket blocks, heads, fuel systems, stroker 400ci etc,etc N/A pump gas. Gen1 SBC vs LS.....thats the test i'd like to see.

[@patrickgallegos8246]

@@SniderTron3000 i got a question i have a vortec 454 and a 6.0 LS which would you go with for a drag car looking on making 1000+ HP

[@OGbqze]

@@patrickgallegos8246 I'd say go with what you can afford.

[@Andrewlang90]

I think old’s or traditionalists pick the SBC because they understand mechanical better then bleep bloop. It’s fair and understandable. Everything has it’s place. I love LS, they are plentiful and easy. On the same token, nothing sounds as great as a 383 or a 496. Nothing costs as much as them, but they sound awesome.

[@glennborek2359]

Ls. motors are only gonna be cheap until the junkyards run out of them, currently, if you want to build an aftermarket ls engine it will cost you way more than a BBC. An LS motor will never out power A BBC !

[@BDauto86]

I grew up around SBCs, I like and own both, currently building a 400 for our c20. With that said my LS build is in a 95 Camaro, it's a 2006 5.3 I took it apart cleaned everything and resealed. Threw a decent Jegs cam in with pac springs, LS3 pushrods and lifters, researched and hand ported 706 heads, ported LS6 style aluminum intake, 102mm throttle body fed by an on3 7875 turbo. It's a basic common build but good for 600-700Hp pretty easily and reliable, for well under 2grand. Kinda hard to beat really

[@jlarocque84]

How is that build well under 2grand between the turbo exhaust manifolds and ls6 style aluminum intake your over a grand and that isn't even including the cost of the engine

[@BDauto86]

@@jlarocque84 the stock manifolds that come on these engines have made 4 digit power levels, so I used those turned around. You can use a stock truck intake or tbss and make plenty of power, on that build I used a pro comp speedmaster aluminum intake which cost $250 on eBay, fuel rails and throttle body was another 200$. It can be done fairly cheap if you don't need the most expensive parts. Here's the tally 5.3 engine 500$, jegs cam 250$, pac springs 150$, intake/fuel rails/TB 450$, gaskets 120$, on3 turbo 200$. I put Fbody oil pan and accessories to fit my application.

[@SOLDOZER]

0% chance you did that for under $2K. A Marketplace 5.3 will cost you $1000. Just basic machine shop work to clean up the block will set you back almost $1000 alone.

[@BDauto86]

@@SOLDOZER your in a higher market area then I am. I can buy a complete 5.3 with harness/PCM on marketplace for 500$ or less any day of the week. If I go pull 1 from the junkyard it's 215$ after core charge. I literally posted the cost of things I bought and what I paid, why would I make that up?

[@SOLDOZER]

@@BDauto86 Im in Houston. Junkyards everywhere. But anything pulled for you is going to be $1000+. You're only getting one for less than $500 if you pull it yourself.

[@thisguy1920]

Old school 350 guy here. Once you go ls you don’t go back especially if you build one vs building a 350. Never thought I would go fuel injected but...Another thing to add is the fuel savings on an ls build.

[@jodypierson3137]

I have at least $8,000 bucks into a sbc 406 that I built at the beginning of the 2000s, LS swap Was not a thing really then, I never have had it dyno tested but I doubt it has 500 hp to the wheels, probably has 500 lbs of torque, I’m one of those guys that kicks myself looking at the LS money to horse power ratio compared to the sbc, but it wasn’t a thing back then and I know I’m not alone in money spent on OG small block

[@jlarocque84]

Ls engines are only cheap power when you take a stock one and throw a power adder on it like turbos. I've got a 400 sbc that has a cam LT1 heads on it and a quick fuel carb and it makes 440 so I'm not sure what your engine builder spent that 8,000 on but you got screwed if it doesn't make 500

[@brandonbell3089]

A small block vortec 350. With only a cheap larger hydraulic flattappet cam and intake will make around 350-380HP

[@mechanicvet8539]

I’ve gotten a lot of information and ideas from this channel on LS power, keep doing what you do.

[@SubePelayo928]

I have both motors. All aluminum LS and a mildly built 400hp 350. Each has its home. My SBC is in my off road toy. Because of its simplicity to keep running. Minimum electronics and a carb. I don’t want to be stuck in the desert because of wiring. And my LS is going into my street project

[@dynodaze5824]

What if you started with a 400 sbc? Them apples taste different.

[@SniderTron3000]

I would conpare a 400 to a 6.0, not a 5.3. I was just saying that the 350 is the most commonly swapped sbc, and the 5.3 is the most commonly swapped LS

[@MRnicknitro919]

All I will say is back in the late 70's and 80's Bill Grumpy Jenkins was building 331 cid SBC naturally aspirated making 750-800hp spinning up to near 10,000rpms with GM performance factory stuff. It's all about knowing what combo works...the thing with LS swaps is kids today don't want to learn the fundamentals of hot rodding and building and tuning. What an ole race engine builder instilled in me about the new LS fangled stuff was this: quote " it only takes one sensor to ruin your day and leave you stranded with the new LS , but with a SBC I only need a screw drive , adjustable wrench, and a match box to get home .

[@alogeetaylor3365]

I can take a 4 main bolt 350 bore it out to a 383 and add some 67, 302 angle plug heads, 202cc with a mild cam and holly high rise intake and 650 carburetor and that alone puts me at 475hp @10:1 ratio I've dyno it already. All for 3500. No wires or headache with computers and electronic issues.

[@SOLDOZER]

No daily driver reliability either. That's a weekend car setup.

[@stevesalkas9128]

Lucky I had 350 angle plug heads turbo 400 mild cam 11.1 comp only made 350hp

[@stevesalkas9128]

750 Victor junior manifold

[@mynameis63]

I agree with all your points. I'm approaching 60 years old now...was reluctant to leave my carburated small blocks behind....But I did....completely built up a 6 litre...paired down a factory harness...put it in my 79 Regal....and it rips man. One huge point you never mentioned....on a good day..my carbed smallblock got maybe 12 miles to the gallon..my built 6 litre gets up to 23 miles per gallon...and runs the same every day. Have never taken it to the strip...because it's a corner carving street car..but my GPS recorded 0 to 150 mph in a standing half mile....was only turning 5000 rpm at the finish line...rev limiter set for 6500rpm...so...170 top speed I'd imagine.

[@SniderTron3000]

Thats so rad, man!

[@SOLDOZER]

Corner carving Regal??? No.

[@dillanmarcos]

I think everyone should start off hotrodding a SBC and later progress to a LS engine as they start learning more

[@jasoncook9269]

I like the old school Chevy motor! Don’t get me wrong, the Ls is kick ass! But I am more used to the old school. Oh kick ass job on the Monte ss hood!!

[@BrianSmith-id4cc]

LS swap the world ! I'm a older person but dammit . What's not to love about the LS. It has everything stock that we used to upgrade on the SBC. If you can turn wrenches on a old SBC you can on a LS as well. And nothing sings God Bless America better than a LS at 6-7000 rpm. I vote out with the old, in with the LS nation.

[@mynameis63]

LS swap all the things.

[@dirtfan05]

The LS is hideous to look at. Period. Yeah I've seen some clean ones, but for the most part they are a very utilitarian engine and for that reason I despise them.

[@mynameis63]

@@dirtfan05 fortunately you'll only see the tailpipes.

[@jackperry9369]

@@dirtfan05 serious dude ???? What ????

[@dirtfan05]

@@mynameis63 name the time and place.

[@c0c0asauce]

I'd go with an LS unless I already had a SBC. I want the motor to look good and there's plenty of parts to make an LS match an old-school ride.

[@SniderTron3000]

I think using what you have is a big factor

[@osrr6422]

I happen to own both. 97 & 08 Tahoes. I far prefer the 5.3 over the 5.7... in their completely stock factory tuned setups. The 5.7 just feels anemic and that's coming from someone who daily'd a 4.3 Blazer.

[@OGbqze]

I find this kinda crazy because I always thought my 5.7 99 Tahoe was pretty quick and had plenty of torque, but I've never driven something with an LS. I love my 99 Tahoe, my girlfriend even got jealous and bought her own. I have definitely been looking into a short bed single cab LS truck.

[@googleaccount2637]

5.3 is way more potent & fuel efficient.

[@OGbqze]

@@googleaccount2637 this makes me wanna swap a 6.0 into my Tahoe.

[@andy347495]

The only thing that bugs me about the LS thing is how over played it is. I still like finding a 350 sbc for $50, having it machined and put it together with new parts. I honestly don't know if it would be any cheaper than rebuilding a LS from the ground up or not though.

[@SOLDOZER]

LS rebuilds are NOT cheap.

[@allurared9029]

​@@SOLDOZERIt is annoying to hear the LS bros ramble on about how cheap their motors are to build because of their ineptitude in sourcing parts and patience for the SBC. I am currently sitting on some really nice SBC parts I grabbed at swap meet and facebook for pennies on the dollar. And I'm a Ford guy! The deals on SBC stuff are too good to pass up. I am fully convinced I will be able to build a 450hp+ alky burner SBC for under 1k soon. Alot of the LS bros just think the only way is to order all ur shit new from summit.

[@internallycombusted1]

the wiring is the easy part. I honestly don't know why people use that excuse, I've made a few ls standalone harnesses. but the problem with LS is all the hard parts to do the swap that cost money. I recently pulled my s10 apart to freshen it up and I was determined to ls swap from sbc. long story short i'm keeping the sbc in it. For an ls, good headers that actually fit cost $1000+, holley swap oil pan $400. not to mention front accessories. (stock ls truck stuff can sorta fit s10 but looks like hot garbage imo) also LS valve covers hit the heater box. The list honestly goes on and on

[@SniderTron3000]

I mean thats again all preferential and where you decide to buy from. I did an LS swap on an S10 over last winter. You can buy a 302-1/2/3 pan off Amazon or Ebay for $130, LS S10 mounts are $32, you can get a Speed Engineering alt/ps aluminum plate style bracket for $110, if you're insistent on long tube headers, Hedmans are $400. Stock LS valve covers are the shortest ones I'm aware of so I'm not sure how aftermarket valve covers would help you with the heater box. The truck I swapped didn't have a heater box so I can't help you there. Buying directly from name brands is crazy in todays economy, even for SBC stuff.

[@rios1111]

Technically the LS comes out on top, but for reasons that are hard to quantify, the Chevy small-block is still very much a legend

[@Fredmullegun]

SBC had roller cams since the 80s. Chinese Dart copy heads can be had assembled with great valves and springs you select for ~600. If your target is 4-500 hp NA and you already have the SBC, swapping for power reasons isn't really a great reason.

[@austingibson4907]

Power wise there's almost no comparison. The LS platform as a whole flows more air through it stack than an stock sbc could even think of. However, as far as longevity goes, a primary main oiling system like the one in all sbc motors is far superior to the ls oil system. I can't even count how many motors have been brought to the shop i work at with both main and connecting rod bearings completely chewed up because they took a hard turn and oil starved for half a second or the oil pump o ring stopped sealing and it pulled a bunch of air instead of oil into the block. I've opened 35-40 year old 350s with original internals and bearings that look like they just came out of the box. So if gm would figure out how to get the ls back to primary main oiling it would be a long lasting unstoppable power plant but until then its a bunch of power for only a few passes before you gotta pull it apart again. Also, my 88 vette has multi port injection on a 350 and it still runs great.

[@JLC87420]

This reminds me I’m like 3 or 4 episodes behind on the latest engine masters season.

[@davidcunningham00]

just FYI the sbc was the very first swapped engine into many cars and pickups, the 350 sbc has been in more other vehicles so far then the LS as of right now. Ill always have a special place in my heart for the SBC, and I plan on building another sbc, and put a holley sniper on it for the efi tuning part.

[@SniderTron3000]

You forgot about the flathead ford! Come up here and get your LS's. You can get them all day for $300

[@davidcunningham00]

@@SniderTron3000 shit. I'm on my way, I paid 400 for a short block gen 4, people here want an arm and a leg for any ls based engine, and is you want a ls3 you better take a mortgage out

[@billybobbob3003]

@@SniderTron3000 small block chevy owns the LS i remember early 2000s going to cars shows they were everywhere the fast and furious days riding around with my brother in his 1969 camaro swapped with a sbc 350 from 1970 his 69 was originally a straight six, but yeah he was smoking the fuck out of like ls 5.7 z28s/ss's lol which which were cammed out and my bro was just running a middle of the road rollercam not even the rankest ones around. LS didnt get half decent untill much later, but fuck all that computerized bullshit sbc is still far better less bullshit to mess with, plus you can get dart shp short/small block chevys with splayed main bolts stronger than stock ls engine is when its all said and done aftermarket part support is still better for small block chevy also.

[@scottcarbone8270]

I like your theory on your cost of these engines, unfortunately in Florida the cheapest LS engines are selling for $1600

[@nashvilleoutlaw]

Yep then you add in computer, wiring, tune, reverse flow radiator and so on and it adds up quick. In reality all said and done from what I've seen it's roughly the same price depending on the build sub 500hp.

[@glennborek2359]

You’ll eventually run outta junkyard, LS engines just like the small block Chevy then it’ll be way much more to build an aftermarket LS

[@governmentcalamari9785]

I agree to an extent,but src said it best “it’s seems like people are giving away their sbc’s now a days” there’s a lot of people selling forged sbc’s right around 1900 to 3200 giver take area,build etc. as of right now if you’re taking a g body or a f body(67-92) a sbc swap is significantly better. Most of very thing is in stock,tuning can be done easier,very little to no wiring, and it’s not being price gouged by scalpers even remotely as bad. Imo a used performance sbc of fb or Craigslist is better idea then a junkyard 4.8,5.3,6.0, or 6.2. I’m not saying anything is better over one another because this video is spot on. a ls based engine is leaps and bounds over a sbc without a doubt.

[@SniderTron3000]

I think it all comes down to what an individual wants to do

[@governmentcalamari9785]

@@SniderTron3000 this is very true 2-3 years ago I would completely agree,but as of right parts are far and few. I’m in the process of gathering parts to build my ls2 and have been seeing a lot of stuff out of stock as soon as it’s restocked. Plus the better tuners,builder,machine shops are like 2 months out

[@aydenwiles8743]

Really good video, I have a 5.3 in my backyard with 90,000 miles and I was the guy who couldn’t “compute” the wiring, therefore I’m dropping $3k building a 355, Ouch

[@rickynelson3222]

LS are a pain in the ass because you have to take the heads off to change lifters

[@ratherbeboating10]

I've been in some pretty wild rides on both sides. Once you get into people wanting to make a living off their engines, any cost benefit to either or goes right out the window lol. And then some of them go with big blocks later on anyway. I know allegedly one of the bigger issues with the LS platform comes with the skirted block and windage. There are ways around it but a lot of guys seem to have struggled with it. Usually the solution is dry sump. But we're again talking high level stuff where you should use that anyway. Extended high rpm stuff always needs work but that isn't really the intent of a factory block anyway. No benefit one way or another. For the average guy, it doesn't make sense not to unless you don't want to deal with all the fab work. That was my issue. The cost savings up front was lost in my time (which I don't have a lot of and thus value more than the average person) making it all fit and work the way I would want. I did a heads, cam, exhaust swap in a week working an hour or two a night. I may have finished up a mounting situation for a 6.0 in that same time and still had to source a trans and other supporting parts still. So it is relative to the project. There are vehicles where the swap is much easier and everything is available as a bolt in too. Then it really isn't as much of an issue... but again you start losing the up front cost advantage. Just what I've seen over the years. There are plenty of started swaps that never get finished same as there are plenty of builds that die on the table. I like them both for different reasons. I only really want a 375 wheel mill anyway, in a 3000lb car, that's still stupid fast with absolutely no driving aids at all. All my GEN 1 stuff is EFI so that's a moot point for me anyway. My next project will most likely be a 70s truck with an LT based engine. It's basically SB2 induction but for the street lol. How can anyone not like it. But what I'll be doing with that, it'll need dual injection (port to keep up with the extra power). I'll be shooting for about 800 NA. Because I want it to be stupid. Overall, I appreciate the straight unbiased discussion. Been following for a long time.

[@bobfalfa76]

You can put direct port EFI on a SBC, you can put a hyd roller in a SBC and ain't no way stock LS heads out flow aftermarket SBC heads or any aftermarket head for that matter. Guys like Billy from SRC and Turbo John run small blocks and they run 4's, far from weekend cruisers. LS's aren't the answer to everything, they just make it easier for inexperienced ppl to go quick. I mean anybody can slap an eBay turbo on an LS, put in a 2600lb car and run 9's, at least a couple times. The term "strong but not for long" when referring to an LS exists for a reason.

[@SniderTron3000]

I know you can put mpfi on a sbc. And I know Billy and John run small blocks, admittedly I thought John ran a SBF though lol but look at how much money they have into those and look at how well the Falcon has done. I guarantee the 370 in that Falcon didn't cost more than 2/3 the price of the S10's motor. Strong but not for long when Billy has had the engine out of that truck like 5 times this year alone. Its easy to say LS makes it easy for an idiot to go fast but then just imagine how fast someone can be when a guy who knows what he's doing puts one together. Wouldn't that make it even that much better? It would have to, right? And Jasper Graham gas been 4's with an LS, Corey Melone has been 4's with an LS, John Doc just lit the boards running what like a 4.30? Or 4.1? Idr what it was, its was low 4's I believe. As far as Billy, I think they went with the sbc in that initially because thats what Bill knew and is good at and thats what they stuck with. Billy said in one of his videos a while ago he had been wanting to swap the truck but was scared to fuck it up while learning. Shortly after that they bought the Falcon

[@bobfalfa76]

@@SniderTron3000 That was the 18° motor they had all that trouble with, his 400 is fine. When he talked about swapping the truck he was talking about EFI, not to an LS. Billy has said many times there will never be an LS in the S10. There is nothing stock left in the Falcon's LS and it cost way more than 2/3 the price of Billy's 400. All those guys you mentioned that run an LS run full aftermarket everything, nothing close to stock form, at that point it's not even an LS anymore.

[@SniderTron3000]

@@bobfalfa76 well, yeah they all run aftermarket stuff but so are those sbc's so whats the point of this comparison?

[@bobfalfa76]

@@SniderTron3000 Well, your coming across in the video like LS's are god's gift and sbc's are for old guys who cruise on the weekends. Then you proceed to talk about making 400hp with an LS which is "cruise on the weekends" kind of power. At that level they're gonna cost about the same,you can sneeze at a SBC and make 400hp, and at a higher level, again, they're going to cost about the same and neither have anything stockish about them, so it's a wash. No offense here, but your bad luck with sbc's comes from inexperience, not the sbc's ability to make power.

[@davidcunningham00]

you forgot about the price of the ls engine, around here a ls computer and hiring harness at the junkyard is 1100 and sbc everything on it 150

[@rogerdonoho4924]

The ls is much stronger. Lots of us stick with the sbc because of simplicity and price. It's what we know. And very suitable for any street application. We don't all shoot for the fastest car in the state

[@garyjohnston8000]

It's funny cause I'm a caveman and carb my LS, and I agree that on paper your talking symmetrical chambers instead of the exhaust ports being together in the middle bank and 6 bolt mains, roller cams, airflow are all great it just seems to make sense to get the better engineering, also the ol 4/7 firing order swap that was an old school trick in the day. I'd say gm put alot of hotrodders genius into the design

[@Carl_Jr]

I have a 71 Camaro and have often contemplated going with a 5.3 but as far along as my build is there would be so many other costs involved. New headers. Radiator. Motor mounts. Accessory brackets. Oil pan. Etc. Probably around $2k for all of the extras. On the other hand, I also have an 86 El Camino with no engine. That would probably be an excellent candidate for a 5.3 because I have no engine for it, nor the other things I mentioned.

[@mcfero1]

Junkyard parts are cheap. A radiator also wouldn’t need to be change for an ls swap

[@SOLDOZER]

@@mcfero1 Junkyards are picked clean and you wont find headers or Holley oil pans at them.

[@mcfero1]

@@SOLDOZER junkyards have tons of engines. You buy the nice parts you need to make it work. Stay off crack

[@stevemacdaddy9909]

Cool buddy. Good video. Very informative for me. Now let's put a big turbo on that same LS.🙂

[@blacksheepcustomspa8787]

You are 110% right the older guys don't like rhe computers and wires but its the way to make big power more bang for your buck however sbc and lt1 still has its place in the world

[@Hiller5150]

You can swap a new LT over to port injection and I’m running a gen 2 lt1 na putting 500 hp To wheels getting ready to run twin turbos on methanol and it’s running a 0411 with c.o.p

[@jlarocque84]

Your price break down is good but that only counts if it sitting on an engine stand now you have to put it in a vehicle that is where the small block Chevy pulls way ahead.

[@SniderTron3000]

Not entirely true. Bare minimum, sure. But nobody who's going to want to do a bare minimum sbc swap is going to be considering an LS swap. You start using good parts for the SBC and I think the cost is pretty similar. It'll really come down to what you can find used. As an example, the S10 I just built has a 5.3 swap and I built the entire truck for $2,400. Including buying the truck

[@Hiller5150]

Grubworm went 6.97 with a lt1 stock bottom end at 197 mph all gm platforms have there place and are all good in there own perspective

[@zacharystout492]

I got an LT1 car, I wish you could make north of 1500hp on a stock bottom end. Grubworm has a stock block, Diamond pistons, Crower billet crank and Oliver rods. And this was the setup back when he was running 7.30's two years ago.

[@pelonDmZ]

They are ls with 4 bolt Mains I seen one on KZbin some time back

[@tinsano6030]

The only time I find an ls being better then a sbc is when I'm hauling 20 ls motors in the bed of my 350 power 84 k10 custom deluxe with 1 ton leafsprings & I'm taking the ls motors to the scrap yard cause no one is willing to buy running motors for a measly $200 a pop

[@derekscarrsr2688]

Yes factory LS heads do flow better but build the sbc with after market heads problem solved and it may not be huge but its cheaper.🤨

[@cfmechanic]

I also appreciate u doing this video I can see it's cold. I definately spent too much on my sbc 427 but damn I don't regret it for a second. I can catch alot of n/a ls guys with their pants down. What I really really want is some goodwrench 305 5.0 valvecover stickers. Just icing on the cake. No way to tell from the outside but my caprice is rocking 440 c.i. under a stock hood. Hooking and bookin

[@chalkdog3095]

What he’s omitting is all the accessory pieces you have to buy to install a ls. Not including tuning

[@SniderTron3000]

I'm not omitting anything, people just overthink LS swaps and think you have to replace fucking everything. "Oh I need a new intake, oh I need new heads, oh I need to rebuild the motor, oh I need to spend $1500 on an EFi system, oh I need to spend $500 on a tuner every time I want to change something." You don't. You can buy a complete 5.3 from a truck with the FEAD, and bolt it into virtually any GM vehicle that had a SBC for as cheap as a $10 converter spacer ring and $30 motor mount adapter plates. From there, almost anything that you would do to the SBC also applies to the LS and the prices are comparable. You're telling me you're gonna leave the stock mechanical pump on your built small block? No. The LS will also need a fuel pump. And a Walbro 255 inline pump will support plenty of power for almost any driver. And you can get them all day for like $60. Need more fuel? Add a 2nd one. Oh, but what about an efi system? Well, you can get a cut down harness for $100 on ebay. Don't trust that? Spend $500 to get a USA made one. You know what else costs $500? A brawler 750 carb. Or were you gonna use a junkass quadrajet? Or, you can splurge and get an Aces EFI for like $8-900 and its self tuning. Plug it in, tell it what engine and specs you have and it will literally fire up and you can drive it out of the garage. Headers? What you we're gonna use headers on the sbc? What about power steering? $20 brass adapter and you can use the stock chassis power steering lines with the LS pump. Like, shit is not that difficult. Just nobody knows how to fucking google anything so they cry online that its too difficult or too expensive.

[@neooneZ1]

I have a 05 Yukon with the 5.3 and pulled a few horses through HP Tuners and watching Sloppy Mechanics tutorial. I am definitely going to cam it with a package from TSP. They are a little spendy buy it's a great package for the 5.3. Let me know what you think!!! Thanks for the video, been watching you a long time now. Die Hard LS fan.

[@SniderTron3000]

I love Texas Speed

[@briancourtney4562]

Said it right man. But will always have a place in my heart for a sbc

[@stevecarclay7428]

Well put my man 👍 Too each their own.

[@AnDrEw122100]

The lt is a beast of an engine but you’re right direct injection is limited .

[@ABs70nova]

Well what is a "stock" sbc? 283-400s we're produced with different cams/heads/carbs/etc. There really isn't a good set baseline to even start comparing. I'm not saying an sbc is better than an ls but I always find the comparison flawed when people try to make it

[@SwampOperator]

The sbc is their old friend. One day the ls will be ours.

[@SOLDOZER]

I admit the LS is a better design and easier to make big power. But a LS swap is not cheap or simple as you make it sound. Marketplace LS 5.3: $1000+ Machine shop work $1000 New cam/lifters/springs $600 New water/oil pump, drive accessories: $500 New pistons, rings, bearings, gaskets, ARP bolts: $500 New oil pan: $400 New engine mounts $200 Conversion to EFI (New tank, lines, pump): Variable, but lets say $300. Cost for a "tune": $500+ We are at $5,000 and It goes on an on and on and on. And we have not even got to the transmission or cooling. Theres a reason shops charge $10,000+ to do an LS swap. Its not cheap or easy.

[@SniderTron3000]

That totally depends on the person doing the swap and how much you can do yourself. I just did a build series a few months ago on an 86 S10. Including the cost of the truck, 5.3, fuel system, cam swap, etc. I have $2500 into that whole truck.

[@cfmechanic]

I get ls is cheap and powerful easy to modify but I prefer traditional just to be different from the common guy. But I also love my sniper efi.

[@zacharyeckert7163]

If you don’t like fuel injection the you can put a carb on a LS

[@lloydprickel825]

I'm just stuck with the 406 lol

[@mattv8919]

wish i had 406, id never give it up

[@SniderTron3000]

Don't let him fool you, he has a nice 406 lol

[@glennborek2359]

Ls motors are great and cheep horsepower if you want to take them out of a chassis of a truck and throw a cam in it and heads are very good for (stock heads ) there great for budget builds , first off , the 6 bolt main cross bolt main caps Are one of the many problems with that block , that’s why you see all the LS aftermarket blocks such as dart and others do away with the skirt and put four bolt main splayed caps on them , the bay to bay breathing and windage in the crank case is big problem with that block along with internal oil leakage. Doing away with the skirt and changing the main caps solves that particular problem. And I need to add be very careful when people say it’s a stock block , I’ve seen many times when when the blocks are filled or the stock blocks have been Resleeved with interlocking cylinder sleeves that’s not stock any more !! am not a hater of the ls motors there great budget builds. 👍 not being sarcastic here,, look up LS fan boys , that’s how I feel about that motor. OH after 1987 sbc had powdered connecting rods and nodular crankshaft. It was four times stronger than the previous crankshafts. The downfall was after 1987 people referred to the engine block as a skeleton blocks , It was much weaker than the older blocks

[@andy347495]

Hands up, he's got a gun 😆 (@3:20)

[@donaldlawton7384]

Now I want to go to a junk yard and get an LS .my wife's going to kill me,lol.😁

[@amend5269]

Because it's got more plastic and electronics. You know that's gonna last in bad weather.

[@Charleselziedyitrucker]

Did the red car in demolition man have an ls in it

[@SniderTron3000]

I got hung up on the 3 seashells and couldn't focus on anything else

[@Charleselziedyitrucker]

@@SniderTron3000 lol right on bro

[@glennborek2359]

Only thing I’m going to say ,, grubbworm Camaro 💪

[@nickchurch4207]

Vary well explained brother makes me want to put one together more and more but some how I ended up with a bunch of ford's smh 2 302 rollers and just picked up a 351 Windsor damn fords 😂😂

[@SniderTron3000]

Windsors are basically LS's lol

[@hitmann8420021]

350 were just simple. Ls is where it's at

[@LesMorrisracing]

I don't know, I'll stick with my 460 block aka 545 :-0 No power adder needed.. Just messing with you. Your LS depends on the heads and compression. 🙂

[@joshroland]

I watched this and you make good points. Did you factor in the cost of the ls? As you would get out of a junkyard? The only reason I have stuck with sbc is because I have parts and my vehicles run right now lol. I want to do one, but getting engine mounts, headers, and for what ever reason ls engines here have gone up in price. I will just have to buy parts one at a time and then do the swap.

[@SniderTron3000]

I have gotten complete 5.3's intake to oil pan with harness and ecu for $250. I see them on FB pretty often for $400. Speed Engineering sells great polished stainless steel headers for around $300(which is a chunk of change), LS adapter mounts are $20 on Amazon, and if you're using a th400 converter a flexplate to adapt is only $60

[@SOLDOZER]

The days of cheap "junkyard LS" are over unless you're pulling it yourself. If you dont pull it yourself, you're going t0 be paying $1000+

[@trashbandit2449]

​@@SOLDOZERcan you quit with spouting this nonsense? So many people have bought an LS for around $500. Paying 1k is an outlier and way overpriced

[@AjarZzzz]

They have a kit to put a ls top end on a sbc. I think richard holdener did a video on it. I wonder how a decent built one of those stand up to an ls. And they dont compare if you are going for big numbers period. But good video man.

[@SniderTron3000]

Are you talking about the Motown motors? I'll have to look those up again because I don't remember a lot of that

[@danielnowicki917]

Expensive!

[@AjarZzzz]

@@SniderTron3000 yea you're right im not sure why I thought it was him. Maybe since you mentioned him and he is the engine guru lol.

[@AjarZzzz]

@@danielnowicki917 most definitely since it's not a conversion, and have to get a specialty block with not to many benefits it doesnt seem.

[@chadrichardson411]

I like simple but if it makes power I like it.. I wouldn’t say one is better than the other!!

[@candykid5135]

350 and lm7 engines are the best

[@jameskeen1492]

Nah man, old small blocks are super cool!

[@SniderTron3000]

They're cool the same way having to specify you have a "color tv" is cool lol

[@jameskeen1492]

@@SniderTron3000 lol, but dinosaurs will always be cool.

[@bens1019]

The Nickelback of engine swaps 😆

[@SOLDOZER]

Ouch.

[@jasonrogers9169]

Look the ls is better because it was designed to be better but that being said if the design was ever implemented to a sbc then no it would not be as far as power goes. A 4 bolt main 350 vortec with coil on plug and basically a tpi intake like the ls or lt1 and super injection system and upgraded performance computer system would beat the larger ls to pieces but we never got to see it. At least with the sbc you can still mod it to out perform the ls far cheaper with countless assortments of aftermarket parts that your stuck with on the ls and have to pay for a tune for every mod because you can't just go and turn some screws and adjust timing and tinker with it til it's just right. That's the problem with today versus yesterday.. technology does it for you when we did it ourselves. You can only do what it allows you to do but we could do to our hearts content.

[@Cato5_0]

Thanks for the video even tho im a year late lol im building a 87 g body (dream car) and i bought a 5.3 from a friend for cheap,but i still can't make my mind up to LS swap or build another sbc. The car is set up with a sbc 305 but everything from the motor back is ready to go (stall,built 350 trans,4.10 gear) idk something is telling me keep it old school any thoughts?

[@SniderTron3000]

Tbh, there's no wrong answer. They're both great engines. I like to tease the SBC guys because so many of them get their panties on a twist when you say anything bad about a SBC, but they're great engines. If you're gonna be putting a lot of miles on the, the LS gets a lot better MPG. But if you just want a hot rod to cruise around town, an LS will never chop like a healthy SBC

[@diduck6878]

No go LS1 intake=ls4

[@DE-ok4ld]

Well put!

[@tiny180]

But I was told that a good old 383 bored and stroked decked and all the goodies is better than a ls and multi port injection is good but the same guy said cross port injection is way better I'm lost on all this as I don't remember any of this lol but if get a chance to answer me that would be awesome

[@SniderTron3000]

I think just going with whatever engine you're comfortable with is the biggest thing. At the end of the day they all follow the same physics and an LS is just a gen 3 SBC.

[@dynodaze5824]

If a 2 bolt Bbc can live with 900 hp, why do we need a six bolt for 400hp?

[@OGbqze]

400 turns into 500 then 600 then 1000.

[@dynodaze5824]

@@OGbqze very true.

[@DailyDrivenHemi]

How much would you charge too ls swap my 85 caprice

[@davidmoore9482]

Disregard my other comment My phone is a POS! But what I Saying It is that if you take A350 vortex and do nothing but Take and put headers Add a rock RPM air gap and take With a 1" spacer 600 CFM carb The vortex also comes stalk with A roller Cam Makes 315 horsepower that's without a Cam swap Or porting and polishing the heads Just bone stock with headers and a carburetor I know this to be a fact because I've done it And stamped fuel injected vortex in the quarter 3 of them to be exact and one Was chipped

[@davidmoore9482]

Actually if you take a 350 vortec and do nothing but carbraid it and put a AHI hei it

[@moosestangls5099]

Dude I've followed you a while an I can say you teach me what an what not to do when my mustang is done you be the first to see it

[@garymorel1882]

Hey bud have you ever tried the aftermarket TBI injection system if not I just think you would be very impressed I particularly love it It doesn’t even matter the brand I’ve seen the Harley systems I’ve owned the FI tech Been happy with both By the way we need to see if Jack Black and Papa Snyder race again👍😂 Also the tbi works for all motors

[@SniderTron3000]

Yeah, we used to have the Summit Max-EFI on Jack Black back in the day. We had the wrong cam in it and it wasn't reading vacuum at idle and it pissed my dad off so instead of arguing with him we just pulled it off and put a carb back on the truck. I would loved to have swapped to a cam that made more vacuum at idle and played with it some more. It ran great up top but wouldn't idle worth shit.

[@garymorel1882]

@@SniderTron3000 it’s good to hear from you brother thanks for replying but I still hold strong with today’s technology Maybe try a different system but either way nothing but love you guys you guys got my son involved again and that’s all that matters thanks Papatron do your thing

[@clarencemc3rd295]

Ouch and true.

[@SniderTron3000]

Doesn't have to be ouch lol it all comes down to what someone wants to do. Not everyone wants an LS

[@clarencemc3rd295]

I want one but have built sbc 383 spent bookooz balancing etc. Na making 500 on 93 with tremec...in pickup. Shit suspension. Pure fun...but what could've been

[@SniderTron3000]

@@clarencemc3rd295 as long as it was fun, who cares? Sometimes I think about how much more fun I'd be having with the cars if I wasn't making videos of them and feeling pressured when they aren't performing as well as other people's cars

[@clarencemc3rd295]

It is so much fun. I'm 58 banging gears in same truck I had since new. Never was able to afford much...but worked at Chevrolet soo...old fools learn lots tricks. Really enjoy your viewpoints and dedication. God bless you and yours. Thanks

[@philipsimonds8088]

I’m sure LS is better motor than old style SBC but they sound raspy and just don’t have that good ol thumpy sound of they old style. Never heard an LS and just thought “dang that sounds good” probably doesn’t matter that much to someone that cares more for performance.

[@youthmanrecords965]

If your not trying to race your car there is absolutely nothing wrong with a vaccum tuned carb and timed sbc.

[@jaws2003]

What about the 5.7L truck engines? I know they have roller cams and vortec heads. They flow pretty well and I remember back in the day Jegs used to sell carb intakes for them. I know the old SBC truck intakes were not good though. While I like LS I would say there are options for everyone. I know if I was boosting I would rather have an LS over an SBC. NA i could go either way.

[@SOLDOZER]

No such thing as "5.7 truck engine" or "truck intake".

[@jaws2003]

@Mr Yuk those are the 5.7L vortec engines. Same with the intakes that came in those trucks. The intakes had poppet style injectors inside of the manifold. Those were only in the 96 to 98 silverados.

[@stevesalkas9128]

$6 OR 7K 500HP FOR CHEV I WISH IN AUSTRALIA 15K PLUS

[@donaldreese2688]

Hey now what about us guys who refuse to let go of small block Chevy simplicity yet now that Holley made us a kit like the sniper to come into the new ages lol my old sbc 388 runs amazing on sniper base/self learnt tune can't beat it for like 1500 bucks for the sniper kit of course it's a built bottom end and afr heads but as a "daily" its fucking sweet oh and a Muncie 5 speed all in a 01 two door factory five speed slick top blazer don't tell no one about the 01 extreme I got in the car port waiting on spring to ls swap lol gonna match them up see what the difference is richard holdner style

[@backyardbuilttrucks1]

I will stay with my BBC engines , no replacement for displacement .

[@SniderTron3000]

Best of both worlds, 454LSX lol

[@mynameis63]

and 6 miles to the gallon. :)

[@frankdodge1022]

I live in the metro Detroit area and have a LS that I want to swap into my 96 truck would you help me or can I get you to do it for me

[@chrisrobertson1929]

W r o n g..

[@chrisrobertson1929]

Fastest SBC category non injected gen one..well hat injected anyway..destroyer of ls. .mighty mouse..whitfield

[@BARRYMCOCKINER94]

The small block Chevy was once the go to swap prior to the ls, Just moved on to the next generation.

[@Choppinwoodandridingood]

I haven’t seen a ls engine for less than $500 in my area

[@SniderTron3000]

Thats just the asking price. Offer them $300

[@bluejayfabrications2216]

Yeah ls is better on paper But its not the same its far to refined for me personally

[@cemetery76]

headers do wake up a ls motor

[@shanewright6958]

Great job 👍👍🇨🇱

[@JKZ103]

Facts.