Why the Mormon Church will NEVER Excommunicate me

[@IAmJustOneMom]

“The church takes/treats apostates much more serious than they do abusers.” Mic drop.

[@inChristalone1960]

The amazing part is that( while the membership are beautiful) Joseph Smith and those leaders who followed him were the actual apostates from the true Biblical Christ and Father in Heaven. I would encourage deep research. Btw, when l came forward with the info re: my fathers sexual abuse, the ward and stake leadership did nothing. My father said he could not remember. They then decided he could not be held accountable. :-o

[@larryfreestone6135]

Abusers can and probably still pay tithing. Cha-Ching.

[@inChristalone1960]

@@larryfreestone6135 Cha-ching.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@inChristalone1960 that's your brain cells hitting each other.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

You dropped your brain.

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

The brethren aren’t comfortable being scrutinized or criticized, they are so used to being praised and having their asses kissed, that idea that someone would actually call them out on something probably put them in a state shock. They are so used to being obeyed.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Change your ways. Change your adult diapers and start acting like the righteous men you proport to be.

[@micheleh3851]

@SteveSmith-Do you really think the higher ups in the Church even know Nemo's channel exists...or even care? How much reach or intimidation does he have with a measly a few thousand subscribers? The temple recommend issue is with his local leaders. Dallin Oakes only knows of him because Nemo sent him a letter, not because the top brass were tracking him.

[@mormoncivilwar6189]

@@micheleh3851 It would seem you need to Google 'Strengthening Church Members Committee' and the episodes where the Church deployed its lawyers to threaten Nemo and demand he remove the Church's own propaganda from some episodes. They are very sensitive about anyone daring to hold them accountable in public forums.

[@bewitched3912]

​@@micheleh3851😅 yes, and those greedy old men are pissed as a wet hen!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@randyjordan5521]

My wife and I sent in our letter of resignation from the church in 1998. 2.5 months later, I got a letter from the stake president informing me of a disciplinary council to be held to consider charges against me of "conduct unbecoming a member of the church." I responded by calling the church's membership department in SLC and threatening to sue the church and the SP for attempting to defame my character. The guy I talked to immediately called the SP and told him to cancel the council and apologize to me. That idiotic dumm mass SP thought that it was perfectly fine to hold a disciplinary council on someone who had already resigned from the church. My experience is just one example of the ecclesiastical abuse that pervades Mormonism.

[@leannlong6204]

😧

[@xaverrogers4910]

ha tell him go drink penzoil

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Sure you did.

[@randyjordan5521]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D I kept the originals of all of the correspondence from the stake president, the bishop, and the church membership department in case some dumb mass Mormon called me a liar a quarter of a century after these events occurred.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@randyjordan5521 Sure you did clown. You know exactly where you can put it with rest of your BS.

[@BrendonKing]

As long as the temple recommend holds any value to you, they can use it as leverage. The moment the temple is no longer a priority, the lack of a recommend loses any consequence.

[@BrianWaller-qe7gr]

Yep I stopped attending and have no interest in coming back nor going to the temple. As such nobody and I mean nobody in my ward tries to get me to come back. And the funny part is I stopped attending because I was treated like dog crap by my own missionary. She blocked my on facebook for who knows why. All I did was reach out to hear after she got home because I thought she might have liked me and I found her attractive and suitable for a companion. But her treatment of me has destroyed any hope for anything between us. I understand that she may have not been interested but at least be an adult and courtesy to reject me gracefully. Ghosting is such a childish behavior especially when it wasn’t warranted because I never expressed rude or disrespectful or threatening behavior towards her.

[@johneasler9967]

Here's a thought: grow up and quit playing with social media

[@BrendonKing]

@@johneasler9967 yawn.

[@HardNigga-tr4uy]

@BrianWaller-qe7gr Get over it dude.

[@bewitched3912]

​@@BrianWaller-qe7groh man, I hate to break it to you but Mormon girls absolutely will flirt and make you think there's a chance to lure you into the cult. She only cut you off because she was disingenuous and knew it. You don't deserve this brand of toxic culture. Take a ballroom dancing or cooking class or join a creative group of things that interests you. You will find a real long lasting relationship that isn't dependent upon the religious thinking errors most Mormons posess. I wish you love and peace!!

[@JeffDayPoppy]

In 2007-2008 I was in a very similar position to Nemo. I was on "informal probation" because of apostasy, but the seven definitions of apostasy listed in the handbook didn't actually apply to me - they said I hadn't done any of them, but I was "dancing around them." And so I wasn't allowed a Temple Recommend but I also had no direction on how I could become worthy again. I was essentially deemed unworthy simply for being myself and holding my honest views, nothing codified.. Eventually this led to me actually taking steps that were more seriously out of line with the Church and ultimately resigning from it.

[@Max_Johnson]

The entire purpose of Church discipline is to help the member repent and get back into "good standing". I noticed they couldn't tell Jeremy Runnels how to repent either.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Apostasy. Explain or move along.

[@Max_Johnson]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D right? Their leaders couldn't even explain how Jeremy Runnels, Bill Reel, John Dehlin, and many others were in apostasy.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@Max_Johnson didn't have to. Each of those liars knew why. You fit right in with them fake Christian.

[@katherineshiver9428]

I heard that to repent means to turn your feet away from unrighteousness and towards Jesus Christ. I heard to repent we confess, feel sorry, apologize or make amends, ask for forgiveness, stop doing what is considered wrong - stuff like that. I don’t think anyone is trying to keep repentance a secret. I think it is hard for us to be humble and forgiving of others and that keeps us from repenting of stuff we should repent for.

[@ScottJB]

Authority is above morality in Mormonism. Questioning the leaders is worse than the leaders breaking the commandments.

[@bewitched3912]

One of the Q12 is a child molestor. They have zero conscience.

[@lorrainefranchi9105]

Nemo is way too honest,kind, earnest, reasonable, smart and adorable for the Church leadership - I don't think they know what to do with him

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Wow, it does take a brain. Oh, and a belief to follow God. Be happy with your vices.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

Ask him about his lifestyle. Then, wake up.

[@larryfreestone6135]

lifestyle? Am I missing something?

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@larryfreestone6135 Do you need a house to fall on you. Open your eyes.

[@mormoncivilwar6189]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D How did you find out about the expensive cars and the nightclubbing and the whoring?!!!

[@BunnyWatson-k1w]

At 3:59. They are hoping you will go away on your own and just stop attending church. The local leaders are probably hoping for your formal resignation from the church. If they did an excommunication it would go public and lead to bad press in the UK.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

That’s a pretty fair summary!

[@bewitched3912]

Agreed, but they are demanding bad press after the lawsuit in Texas by sleazy McKonkie lawyers

[@samueljeppsen9785]

You're doing good work Nemo. And, you're doing the Church a great favor. I've never seen a church that needs a watchdog like this church does. So, you're doing the Church and Jesus a great favor. ...if only you guys didn't speak with such crazy accents. :-) ...hello from Arizona.

[@ln1tohero698]

Nemo, if you see this, there is a hateful person by the name of "WatchingwaitingG2D" who is replying to everyones heartful comments with rudeness and just straight up vitriol. If you could ban them or somehow block them I think it would provide for a safer discussion in good faith. I love the work you are doing to push forward an honest leadership for those still in and do not want anyone to have to read nastiness like that, I am sure you get enough yourself. Stay strong ♥

[@josephdouglas9685]

Change does happen through initiatives like this, but it takes time and will be thankless.

[@pigetstuck]

The beauty is that you can worship God anywhere and exercise the priesthood of all believers without permission from a church institution! You don't actually need a temple... You have the opportunity, if you choose, to be the temple of the Holy Spirit.

[@81bajaj]

Thank you so much Nemo for the work you do! I can't imagine. It would be so much easier to leave simply. I remember I commented on a much earlier of your videos asking how it is that you can remain a member, and another viewer educated me, telling me that your work is more powerful if you remain within. That makes sense, but a pretty heavy personal price.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

He does nothing of value but live a lie. Is that your goal?

[@mormoncivilwar6189]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D You can only say that because you have not seen Nemo's skills at dry stone walling. He does so much more then live lies.

[@81bajaj]

I'll say it again, what lie is he living?@@WatchingwaitingG2D

[@johneasler9967]

@watching waiting, You're a coward hypocrite, typical mormon. You don't like the TRUTH Nemo says, then stay away.

[@stephtimms1776]

Openly challenging the leaders and shaming them... is asking to be excommunicated. When I have problems with them I handle it privately, with them and with the Lord (who sometimes tells me I'm wrong or pleads with me to have patience with others).

[@nathanbigler]

Nemo is my greatest Mormon hero. I left the church in 2001 when the internet was new and I was a disillusioned, lonely apostate. I'm so proud of what he's done. LDS leaders disgust me

[@raymond1842]

Thanks for departing from the Restored Church. We are much stronger without the weak. Come back when you are ready to repent and be accountable.

[@nathanbigler]

@@raymond1842 lol, repent for what? Drinking coffee? Eating bacon? Oh, that's a different religion that prohibits eating pork... Your ideas about sin and obedience to leaders aren't interesting to me at all.

[@inChristalone1960]

@@raymond1842 raymond, the lds church is about as restored from Early Biblical Christianity as as a Volkswagon from a Mustang would be. It is a different beast altogether.

[@briandavis6898]

​@@nathanbiglerif you can't even abstain from coffee, it only shows your weakness. If you can't do the little things how can you be expected to do the big things

[@nathanbigler]

@@briandavis6898 you're right. Don't expect me to wear magic underwear or give money to Russell Nelson

[@touretteslife]

This is so similar to my situation last year. The church banned me from church property because I have Tourette syndrome and they are offended by my tics. They actually went as far as having church legal write a letter threatening to have “law enforcement… trespass [me] from church property.” So there I was, banned from church property and yet they expected me to still pay tithing, take a bogus missionary calling, and pretend like everything is fine while silencing me so I was not allowed to talk to anyone about it. So anyway Nemo, I can relate to having your church privileges restricted when you’ve literally done nothing wrong. I can relate to feeling like an outcast as I was unofficially banned several times over many months before they finally gave me the official legal letter permanently banning me with a legal threat. And again I’ve literally done nothing wrong. Just existing with Tourette’s is my only crime/sin. My ward had the same awkwardness y’all referred to. Like how are the other members supposed to treat me when I’m banned and they don’t even know why? All they see is that Im not there anymore so all they can assume is that I’ve gone less active by my own choice. Only 3-4 people knew the truth as we were silenced and not allowed to talk to anyone about it. So most of the ward thought we went less active by our own choice when in reality I had these restrictions placed on me in secret. We were pressured to lie to other members if they asked what’s going on. So much of what y’all discussed in the video is so relatable to my experience. You’re not the only member to be treated this way. I’m sure there are more than just you and i. So I’m thankful you’re having this discussion because it’s so wrong how the church treats us. It’s manipulative at best and abusive at the worst. So anyway I know it’s not exactly the same situation but I can very closely relate to some of what you’re going through in a small way. Mainly the fact that they’re disciplining you and restricting privileges but not through the proper official channels. But through more sneaky evil unofficial ways. Thanks for sharing your experiences as it helps those of us who can relate to not feel alone. ❤

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

That's a terrible story. Oh, I'm sorry. I meant terrible storytelling. You people think everyone is as dumb as you are.

[@randyjordan5521]

You mean that your Tourette's syndrome couldn't be cured with a simple priesthood blessing? Bummer.

[@touretteslife]

@@randyjordan5521 haha, nope they couldn’t cure me. They did offer to remove the ban after I’m cured. Only problem is there’s no cure for Tourette’s. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@randyjordan5521 have you decided whether you're a man or a woman yet?

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@deebee2603 you have a problem telling the truth. Perhaps some legal action is necessary. I'm sure you have a lawyer who won't charge you too much to put it on paper.

[@barbaralael5092]

My LDS son came to visit me this week end. In my former marriage with his Dad, I was disfellowshiped. I had written passionate letters to a prisoner. I'd been married in the temple with 4 children in tow. To help support my family I did a daycare center in my home. Sometimes I cared for 10 kids from sun up to evening. My husband no longer wanted to have more children. The result was abstinence. One 4th of July I didn't see my husband all week end. And I had no idea where he was. Despite my terrible shocking sin... He did pornography and I found it. It was not mild. It was 3 way sex, etc. When I went to the Bishop it was that he had " a masturbation problem." We should pray for him! Eventually I left for many reasons. Finally my LDS son and his wife came back to me. I feel free and I'm finally very happily married to a very kind man who fully understands me! At one time I tried to return to Church for about a year. I was finally told only the first presidency could bring me back. I'm no longer interested. I love your podcast..

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

You were never interested. Now you don't go to any church, just follow these fakes. Says much about your story.

[@briandavis6898]

I don't believe if there was video of him coming adultery he wasn't excommunicated. These outrageous made up stories only hurt your credibility

[@Morgan-tb8ns]

@@WatchingwaitingG2Dlots of people don’t attend church? I grew up Catholic and we went to church like twice a year

[@Morgan-tb8ns]

@@WatchingwaitingG2Dwhat a cruel response to her story. You’re not doing what you think you’re doing

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@@Morgan-tb8ns so since you only know the concept of Heaven or Hell, at least you'll never need a raincoat again.

[@lylesnow8707]

Nemo I so appreciate your honesty and candor. Your willingness’s to stare the general authorities down. I’m so disgruntled with the church now. I’m in shock with what they are doing.

[@roberterickson4237]

Thank you Nemo for all you have and will be doing!!

[@anjelikag]

This makes me think of the term “dry firing” somebody at work. You change somebody’s schedule, and you make them do all of the awful jobs at work, to wear you down so you quit.. They’re taking away the best things about participating in the church away so you give it up and quit.. don’t quit Nemo- you’ll let them win.

[@workermannamrekrow2768]

Just leave it. If it is a dishonest organization why stay? I resigned in 2012. Seeking after the truth I found it to be dishonest, disingenuous. Therfore, I walked away.

[@Compulsive-Elk7103]

​@@lauraj8429I've been asking this question in memos comments for MONTHS and he ignores my questions. Answer my question Nemo!! Why are you still a Mormon?!?!

[@ryanhollist3950]

That's kind of how I finally broke. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had to do as I was told, even though I was doing what I had been taught to do by the church. Of course my issue was more directly opposed to church positions (homosexuality), but still, I had done everything I could to make sure I was acting in good faith. In the end, it didn't matter what I had been taught when it came to scripture study, praying, and seeking personal revelation. It all came down to doing whatever I was told to do and not saying or doing anything to show doubt in the leadership.

[@soppybat]

Just keep prevailing for truth Nemo, there are many supporting your stance.

[@southtexasmom3017]

Absolutely, Sara! The whole thing is about control (and the leaders becoming richer). I'm so grateful I chose to leave the church 5 years ago. Life is so beautiful moving from Religion to Spirituality. Now I know the truth, the real truth.

[@MrEnjoivolcom1]

The church is all I've ever known as far as religion. You are my hero!

[@pdarrell]

Who is the church to say you cannot use the priesthood in a private setting. They can only stop you from doing it in an official capacity.

[@felloserv]

The way I look at it, God is the one who bestows his powers on us, the old liars in SLC can go blow smoke!

[@inChristalone1960]

@@felloserv Yes, Jesus Himself is the truth , the life, and the only way. HE is the Door. Faith in HIM small as a mustard seed can move mountains. HE is the TEMPLE and we are the living stones . He said follow ME.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

He doesn't have the priesthood. Neither do you in your life, or God by your words.

[@felloserv]

@@WatchingwaitingG2D The Father will empower whom he will, and no man claiming authority can do a thing about it. Jesus is proof enough of this fact. The religious leadership of His day, as well as those of ours, or in any time, with all their so called authority, were, and are, left jealously wanting. There is a difference between claiming power and actually holding it. A liar is bereft of these honors. I do not believe God would bestow His power upon liars. It would be a contradiction of His character. That would be the work of another fellow. 😈

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@felloserv pretty much like you are doing fake Christian.

[@praestant8]

Quite frankly, its disfellowship by ghosting.

[@jammanstud]

Doug Nemo well if they do that I will welcome you with open arms to becoming an Anglican like me. . We got you taken care of. Open to all of the above and more. Plus no one will stop you from having an opinion. God loves you and your family. Come rock the world and become one of 78 million cool people. Much love and prayers to you during this time my brother. J+

[@jewelgazer]

Love this comment!!!!!!! I have been a part of many mainstream Christian denominations in my long lifetime and I agree with you - OPINIONS AND INQUISITIVE MINDS ARE WELCOME!!! I have NEVER been told to keep quiet.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you!

[@Themanyfacesofego]

I am very fond of Anglicanism despite our Church being founded by a guy with 6 wives, one of whom was only 17, when he married her, and he was 49.

[@rmj4978]

This is another proof that we’ve may have joined a cult rather than a church. If our leaders in higher positions cannot be hold accountable for misleading us and lying…maybe they are no longer in the age of accountability? Too old? Nemo, I truly admire your integrity, and, I believe you are a force for good. If you can’t perform priesthood ordinances, pray with your loved ones if helps them and you…I felt heartbroken when Jane mentioned that no one would teach her child. Thinking that this the church I belong to, one that wants you to keep quiet and pretend that all is well. Being a peacemaker doesn’t mean that you don’t stand for what is right. Nemo and Britvengers are totally awesome! I appreciate you all!

[@kathrynclass2915]

11:14 The thing I keep coming back to when I think about this is “what good is the last temple recommend question, then?” It asks “Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord’s house and participate in temple ordinances?”

[@kathrynclass2915]

28:07 oh, ha ha, Ruth brought up my question too. Excellent!! Great minds!

[@robinnetto6794]

Nemo I appreciate your nature and humor . I am so grateful I found the “ thing” called a podcast😍I let my recomend expire due to not wanting to lie but I am not compelled to try to redesign this culture. My exposure to the UK saints being sent to the US and some ended in handcarts and died painful deaths I just am embarrassed to be a part. I see you have support but I do not. I love to listen to your rational voice in the dark🌞

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

I am sorry Nemo. You are much too good to be going through this. You have been so uplifting for this xlds and I'm sure I'm not the only

[@jasonbold9956]

You are the best! Nemo, I am an ex-LDS. Actually, my father baptized me at 8 when he joined. I loved the church but my mom didn’t join and the family became “unstable”. I never really attended after I turned 13. Unfortunately, my parents didn’t a divorce! Oy! Blimey! For 40 years me and brother were abused and neglected and exposed to a “low grade” terror that has sustained repercussions. God is good! You say his name, Jesus Christ and the shadows run! Power! I love every person on the planet! I love you guys! God Bless! Feed the poor: “go buy some food, sit with a person who is “blessed” and bathe in the Holy Spirit. It’s the only way to cut through, separate you from you! No faith needed. Just a meal with a neighbor. Cheers Mates!

[@ChrisKirkland-k8k]

I don't aways agree with you, but I support your right of freedom of speech. If you can't ask questions of, or criticise the behaviour of Church leaders, is it truly the body of Christ? As the C. of E. Prayer Book puts it: "Give grace, O heavenly Father, to all Bishops and other Ministers, that they may, BOTH BY THEIR LIFE AND DOCTRINE, set forth thy true and lively Word, and rightly and duly administer thy holy Sacraments." (emphasis added)

[@johneasler9967]

They're all liars! Nemo, you have my total respect for always telling the truth!!!

[@RobertGorton]

As a convert to the LDS Church, I can unequivocally state that the Church is true and comments like yours do nothing but cause contention which is the devil's way.

[@Zelph_undying]

@@RobertGorton lmao, define "true." The "true church" used to teach that Native Americans were the descendants of Lehi et al, now they teach that they're among the ancestors and in fact it was probably such a small isolated population that they wouldn't leave much of a genetic trace. (All this to account for the fact that there is 0-Pre Columbian Jewish DNA) Speaking of things that weren't there pre-Columbian exchange...transoceanic vessels, wooden submarines, cow, horses, goats, metal swords, chariots. The Book of Abraham "written by his own hand, upon papyrus" - doesn't mean Abraham wrote it with his own hand upon papyrus, apparently, but only because it can be proven that he's not mentioned in the text, the papyrus was from a completely different time period than Abraham, and the papyrus doesn't contain any of the text that Joseph claimed it did. It just goes on and on and the truth claims don't really stand up to scrutiny. But, if you mean the church is true because sometimes you get a good feeling, then I can't really argue what you have or haven't felt.

[@johneasler9967]

@roberta Gordon, Save it. I was born and raised in the church, was in a bishopric for 2 1/2 years, was a veil worker, was a high priest group leader, was on the dedication committee of the San Diego Temple. My lds credentials are certainly a lot bigger than yours. I left on my own accord because I saw all of the lies and hypocrisy of the church. Thank God for Nemo for always telling the truth

[@heathermcdougall8023]

@@RobertGorton I can unequivocally sate that the lds church is not true.

[@thecapitalg]

​@@RobertGortonYou literally haven't disproved any of what this guy has said. What "lying" has he done? I've only seen hate comments from LDS who just say he's evil but don't see all the problems with the church he's addressing.

[@confessionsofareformedmormon]

I hate the term "court of love". We need to STOP saying it. There is no love. If they loved the person they would not commit such a painful and emotional act. The only people who should ne excommunicated are those who commit sins against children and women. That's it.

[@mikesirman3148]

How about crimes against men? Or are u a sexist, like tons of women out there are?

[@xaverrogers4910]

Uts court of love said Nazi leading jews

[@dcarts5616]

@@confessionsofareformedmormon I’ve been semi-disfellowshipped before. I loved my meetings with the leaders of my ward and stake. Of course, I didn’t blame anyone ever for my mistakes and felt bad for them so I guess I just wanted to make sure I was repentant and utilizing the atonement the best I could. To each their own, if one doesn’t really believe in the basics of Christianity (faith, repentance, forgiveness and redemption) I guess a “court of love” wouldn’t make much sense now would it? Also, law breaking saints are excommunicated quite often when their crime or sin calls for it. But unless a person actually confesses on their own of a disgusting and or sin legal consequences, how can the church be held responsible for what its imperfect members do? I never did anything gross or illegal, but if I did, as a member I would have to accept legal consequences for what I’ve done in order to be recognized as a member who had fully repented. You can’t please everyone, and I wish my church would stop trying to quite honestly.

[@thecapitalg]

Seems to be called that in irony, right?

[@dcarts5616]

@@thecapitalg You mean, like Abortion = Healthcare?

[@Xbellatri50]

In the end Nemo whether truth or fiction we all be called to answer in front of the bar of God…. If you feel ready to stand before Jesus Christ and say you have done all you and do then all will be ok and nothing else matters peace be with you Nemo in Jesus Christ ❤️👍🏻

[@blueridding]

So if you feel like a second tier member not being able to exercise the priesthood, how do you think all of us women have always felt?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I have a new found empathy for women in the church!

[@rachaelenglish348]

This!!!

[@randyjordan5521]

You should be grateful. Women have a lot fewer meetings to go to. :-)

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

​@NEMOTHEMORMON Why shouldn't you? You want to be one.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

You were charging too much?

[@JPBotero717]

They video just aged perfectly lol

[@bgardunia]

Never say never, man. If you poke them they can and will get you excommunicated.

[@BrendonKing]

It would only serve to cement the exodus of members waiting to see what happens to Nemo. There's more than just his membership riding on it.

[@thecapitalg]

If they do, soo much bad press is gonna be made lol

[@theincrediblerodofiron304]

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matthew 7:13-14.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

I don't hold a recommend because I can't say that I sustain the leaders. I don't feel that we have prophets, seers or revelators. No such thing as lying for the Lord.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

We ❤️ Nemo period.

[@JC-vq2cs]

Reduced to "2nd class membership" - welcome to the sisterhood Nemo! with a panel of majority women no less here....

[@phoenixrising5338]

Well so far, agreeing with you 100%, Nemo. Its very difficult to hold the space you're holding. It's desperately needed, though. I've been wondering for some time when the church would come down on you. I think it's only a matter of time before the church either tries to neutralize or comes down hard on 21st Century Saints, as well. I don't want to be unduly cynical, but I've been speaking up in the church since I was literally about six. The price you pay is real. If you keep it local to your ward and stake, you're just a pariah within your ward and stake, and your family is ostracized socially, including your kids. If you get more public, things get worse. Dissent of any kind is not tolerated. And I totally get how annoying it is to have them act like this isn't your church. My family is members back to Joseph Smith, however many generations that it. I'm related to about half the apostles and probably the prophet. By birthright, this is my church. My ancestors built it, paid for it, sacrificed their possessions and lives for it, walked across the plains for it, died in Winter Quarters for it, suffered in the Martin Handcart Company for it, and have kept it running. I've been active and faithful my entire life. But I'm in the same position. Open my mouth to say anything, and I'm out. My temple recommend will be expiring in a few months. I'm worthy to hold one but I think they'll be denying me a new one because I've spoken up publicly, especially on abuse within the church, and on local leadership looking the other way and ignoring abuse that's happening, and I've publicly called out local members for commiting perjury related to abuse. The church's track record on abuse is despicable and I'm saying so. I won't be stopping. I'm done tolerating the abuse. People outside the church just don't get this. The church isn't just someplace you go once or twice a year for an hour service. It's a way of life that is entertwined with every aspect of your life. As you keep saying, it's your tribe. I get so tired of people saying, "Well, just go somewhere else," like you're switching brands of toothpaste. I hope you can find a way to keep holding this space. The last four years have been brutal and finding your podcasts has really given me hope. There are still Mormons out there who are normal, ethical, reasoning people. I was beginning to wonder. They also make me laugh. I feel like we've forgotten how to laugh at ourselves in the church. And I'm so damn tired of lies and lying. I detest lying. Number one mistake you can make with me is lie to me. And the church is lying and has been lying. So hope you can work something out, although you must of course put your and your family's well-being first. FYI, I was in church today. High councilor Sunday. Today's talk: why criticizing the church in any way whatsoever for any reason whatsoever is evil, has evil motives, and is being led by Satan. Essentially straight to hell, even though we don't officially believe in a hell. He specifically called out non-members, ex-members who have left the church, and members still in the church who are critical in any way. He did cut some very patronizing slack to non-members who are uneducated, afraid of our weirdness, and just waiting to be converted, and also said criticism from non-Mormons is good because it toughens us up and humbles us, but he came down on ex-members and existing members with a vengeance. His talk was full of inaccuracies, which always drives me nuts. He trotted out every single cliche you've ever heard. I won't repeat them. I watched the congregation to gauge the reception to this. Judging by body language and facial expressions, I do not think this was as well-received as he probably hoped, but we'll see. I also don't think the church is going to do anything but double down on this. The leadership seems to genuinely not get or care how bizarre this looks. I genuinely don't get how they think it looks like this behavior is stuff Christ or the church's own rules endorse.

[@heidisorenson4678]

This sounds like a very abusive talk to have to listen to. Cringe.

[@randyjordan5521]

If I could talk to Mormons like that high councilor in person, I'd love to ask him "How do you feel about Joseph Smith plural marrying eleven women who were married to other men?"

[@inChristalone1960]

Wow, that high councelor's talk was culty, abusive and flatly untrue. Decades of research and Bible study have freed me from fear of such cringeworthy statements. All glory to God!

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

You have a talent for not telling the complete truth. Not much but some.

[@heidisorenson4678]

@@inChristalone1960 Amen.

[@Cody-McDaniel]

I really hope they don't try excommunication. That would be a very sad result indeed. They keep making the same mistake tho, so I can't guess what the church will do. Nemo is honest in his questions and the church itself is not giving honest answers. Church leadership pride is in the way of having honest conversations with the members. I hope you continue to make progress.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Me too, cheers for that!

[@jewelgazer]

Dalin Oaks creeps me out on so many levels, and he is in position to become the next prophet after Nelson dies. It will be a dark time in Mormonism because I think he will rule the church with an iron fist.

[@tori.rory.]

Let them out themselves! He will drive even more away with that iron fist.

[@terishaw33]

As a woman, and long time church member (until resigning last year), welcome to the second class. Love you Nemo!

[@winniecross4579]

This was fantastic. I'm so sorry you are going through this Nemo. Let me tell you what I see here . . . people who love each other. Love, I think, ought to be the basis for the word "Church. What "The Church" did or didn't do, absolutely takes a back seat to the "Church" that is happening on my computer screen. How lucky you are . . . you, have the truth.

[@CressNT]

Well this aged... not sure if it aged well or poorly, but it definitely aged

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

IM SORRY YOU FEELBAD NEMO. WE LOVE ❤️ U

[@inChristalone1960]

That goes for me too Nemo. You are so truly fine! - A gift in this world.

[@sewcellosusan8664]

Never Mormon here: Right before you mentioned the second anointing, I literally said to myself "sounds like he's had the second anointing..." I don't know how I stumbled into the Mormon space, but your work is very interesting and I'm sure benefits many. --Signed, regular Christian girl.

[@Neeneenugget]

I first joined the church in 2007. In 16 years of being a member I never once got to go to the temple for my endowments. I didn't drink, smoke, take drugs, I was married, I attended, I studied, etc. I begged for years. Excuse after excuse was made "oh well you didn't attend for a couple of weeks here" (my kids had chicken pox so I had to stay home with them), "oh do the temple prep class again", etc. I would come home every Sunday in tears every week without fail. There was no reason for me to not have had a recommend, they just straight up didn't like me as I didn't fit into their clique.

[@citizen3902]

So I hope you realized there was NO LOVE in the church and you quickly left.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

You're funny. You're also lying through your teeth. Hopefully, you're getting paid for this. You fake pretenders really haven't any morals.

[@WatchingwaitingG2D]

@citizen3902 what would a person like yourself who doesn't go to any church know love? Hypocrite.

[@toniebonilla3165]

Thank you I need this SPACE !! I have reached the same conclusion. The difference is I can sustain the office. My issue is different. I am a single woman. I recently asked for temple recommend interview. I was not given appointment but a list of the Branch president's list of requirements. I was not even given the questions. He didn't expect a strong woman to be prepared. My faith will carry me. Hang in there !! This is not easy.

[@pdarrell]

They have excommunicated too many men, now they don’t have enough priesthood holding men to administer the Wards of the church. There is a priesthood crisis in the church.

[@micheleh3851]

@pdarrell- You are wishful thinking. In reality of Church policy, each branch requires a minimum of 4 Melchizedek Priesthood holders to operate, and each ward requires a minimum of 15 Melchizedek Priesthood holders to operate. I repeat, 15. Considering there are over 35,000 wards worldwide, that's a lot of Melchizedek Priesthood holders. Would you like to grab your calculator just to make sure? The Church is not running out of Priesthood holders. The Church is not experiencing a Priesthood crisis.

[@micheleh3851]

@lauraj8429 - In 2021, the last year that data was published that I can find, the Church lost 1,378 members in the UK. That includes members leaving for any reason, including death. I don't know how many wards or branches that 1,378 represents. I also wanted to clarify my earlier statement. While wards require a minimum of 15 active Melchizedek Priesthood holders, branches require 4 Priesthood holders, at least 1 who is an active Melchizedek Priesthood holder. Earlier I said that all 4 need to be. ldschurchgrowth.blogspot.com/2022/04/country-by-country-membership.html?m=1

[@rosemariebennett7213]

Thank you Nemo. I'm still active. I actually have a temple recommend. And definitely,those who do not have one are treated less important. Not by good , honest members, but by the higher ups.

[@rebeccasirrine947]

Old Armenian proverb: he who tells the truth should have one foot in the saddle.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I like that!

[@Mexxaro]

Loving the hair style! And good points like always, Nemo!

[@antonolder5560]

Nemo, you can still bear your testimony - who are you addressing if not the church This is where you openly ask why you can't have a Temple recommend when you followed the proceedure -

[@goodshepard00]

Nemo, I want to extend to you my compassion and condolences for your grief, pain, trauma, and loss. You are acting with integrity in the face of an adversity without integrity.

[@alanfenick1103]

It’s refreshing to listen to a believer who wishes only to honestly practice his religion. Wish you only the best. Only God knows our heart and the depth of our beliefs. Hypocrisy should not be tolerated.

[@Sam-tu4hp]

To the LDS members watching this video: what would Jesus do with Nemo? Would he place him in Limbo as the leaders are doing?

[@phoenixrising5338]

No, I don't believe He would.

[@reneenolan3163]

It really will not help but you are not the first! True cancel culture!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

NO!!!!!!!!! Jesus is so more loving

[@Sam-tu4hp]

@@reneenolan3163 what do you mean by your statement?

[@reneenolan3163]

@@Sam-tu4hp The church has found a way to “cancel” any member they do not agree with. Sometimes they just ask you to not participate in classes or keep your opinions to yourself. Usually it is because someone is “uncomfortable” with your point of view. They have the right to maintain a space that is worshipful to everyone. You may not be exed but you are certainly cancelled. You are seen as a bad influence they want to control.

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Nemo's on Double Secret Probation...lol

[@MaryMorley-k9d]

GOD BLESS YOU NEMO! Keep reading your BIBLE & enter that Temple anytime you want.

[@aBrewster29]

Ether 12:4 Wherefore, whoso believeth in God might with surety hope for a better world, yea, even a place at the right hand of God, which hope cometh of faith, maketh an anchor to the souls of men, which would make them sure and steadfast, always abounding in good works, being led to glorify God. Nemo, thank you and the Britvengers for your good works. I’m tired too. I’m tired of young women advisors who tell my daughters that the old FSY specifics still apply, even though they’re now unwritten rules. I’m tired DesNat-adjacent apologists supporting the church’s blatant financial misconduct. I’m tired of youth dances going out of their way to display a rule of no same-sex dancing. I’m tired of “for thee not for me” rules from the leadership. I’m tired of being mischaracterized by those who hold the microphone. I do not judge anyone who feels compelled to leave all that behind, and I’m of the opinion that if no one leaves nothing changes. At the same time, if everyone who would occupy the progressive space leaves, then nothing changes. I feel compelled to stay and help the church live up to its own standards of truth, and I’m grateful for people like you, Nemo, who dare to criticize and do so appropriately. I am a believer that the combined authentic responses from those who can see the issues will lead to a better world.

[@southtexasmom3017]

Love, love, love you, Nemo! Hang in there. You have more friends than you know!

[@randinboise]

learning to lie to avoid the dysfunctional repentance process is a great point.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It’s a sad truth of Mormonism

[@JohnGBleazard]

Regarding all this lying by the Brethren...I think it can all be written off/justified through the age-old tradition and practice of "Lying for the Lord." I'm sure they feel justified in twisting or embellishing the truth this way, and don't feel any need to explain to you, or any of us, because everything they do and say is faith promoting and strengthening the church. "Lying for the Lord" is alive and well in Mormondom and is liberally practiced among church members, from top to bottom.

[@blazedell7561]

They lie, because their lord is the father of lies.

[@rosemariebennett7213]

If you stay or leave, I still admire you..i consider you a friend though we never met. I have watched several LDS discussions and appreciate the research and truth. I am also doing my own research Thank you.

[@keile513]

♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️ love you Nemo. I’m making my own CRoom via gardening shed. Crystal chandelier, etc. you speak truth!

[@anjelikag]

Go Nemo go!!

[@MPCoryell]

This is the s.o.p. (standard operating procedure). They will blame a percieved weaknesses or a victim

[@martinreidart]

I went through a period of time doubting and questioned all the same things that are being brought up here - but I realised that I was being apathetic and once I started to truly engage in the simple core elements of prayer and supplication to talk to Heavenly Father and then study and pondering of the scriptures- I started to be able to hear his voice again. Yes - this is really cliché to say - but interesting that during that period of time if someone were to say something similar to me it would resonate - it needed a whole lot of humble pie - down to the point of pain with other things going on in my life which made me realise there was no one else concerned about me - no one but Christ and a loving father in heaven. Once I had got that solid base rerooted - the lens of faith that I saw things though helped me to see that any flaws created by people are their own burdens and mistakes that they will have to be accountable one day. Ultimately this is his church and I can do my part by lifting up local leaders who are just trying to do their best, and following the principles and doctrines of Christ that I started to find again when I listened with that spirit rather than a spirit of trying to find fault. I have said many times that I’m impressed with the efforts and production quality of these videos, I would love to see what you can do if that research, time and effort were focussed on positive things about the church, teachings and good things people are doing in the church.

[@TylerDaSaint]

I agree

[@pattykake7195]

I really admire your stand Nemo, we all must decide what our future in the corporation will be……As for me,I have never felt more whole since leaving…and will never look back for one second…🥳

[@dcarts5616]

You’re amazing. How have you strengthened your relationship with Christ since leaving the LDS church?

[@pattykake7195]

@@dcarts5616 I long ago realised you do not need organised religion or “ men” standing between you and the divine…just go out into nature and “God” whatever you believe that to be is all around you…🕊

[@dcarts5616]

@pattykake7195 I thought so. No need to explain more. It’s not just LDS you disdain, it’s all religion. Just be honest and upfront with this when you say what you say. Enjoy your day, it was great to chat with you.

[@pattykake7195]

@@dcarts5616 What a judgemental comment, sounds like something a TBM would say…I was totally upfront, but you have a super day too….🌴

[@dcarts5616]

@pattycake7185 That’s pretty judgmental of you to say that I’m judgmental simply because I asked for clarification and you gave it. I now have context of where you’re coming from, I’m more informed of your intent, thank you! By the way, how do you know I’m a “TBM” (how judgmental of you)? Do you know me? Do you know (l will tell you) that at this moment, I don’t really believe in God? I’m in an interesting place though as my body can still recognize peace and positivity, and especially darkness and negativity. I go to church with my family right now because of that, the peace and positivity and uplifting spirit of service within it, but not because I believe in “God” per se. I may admittedly “hope” that there is a god, but I am skeptical. Why are you so judgmental, Patty?

[@debbiestreeter1046]

Good Push, Jane.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Nemo we ❤️ you.

[@madisonc489]

I say do the baptisms and blessings! Who's gonna stop you? Right before I left the church I (female) gave my baby daughter a blessing. It was beautiful.

[@loubylou1899]

Having integrity has consequences in this life, acting without integrity may have short term positive social impacts but it damages the soul and deep down the people who don't act with integrity know this.

[@BunnyWatson-k1w]

I know the stake presidency for RFM stated they will never excommunicate him.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

They are in corner where they painted theirselves.

[@kennance115]

Excellent

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thanks!

[@claytongardinier5179]

The church was consistent in what it did. It is a sensitive PR machine and knowing that excommunication would create a PR issue they sidelined you to make you a non-issue. You can't claim to be excommunicated. The ball is in your court as far as the church is concerned. They won't give you a platform because that would be validating what you have been saying. Ignoring you as best they can is their best weapon.

[@micheleh3851]

@claytongarfiner5179- I don't think the Church is the least bit threatened by Nemo or his platform. He probably wasn't fully ex'ed because they are giving him an opportunity to become more humble and try to stay in. As long as he isn't ex'ed, he still retains his eternal blessings. Once he's fully out, he basically gets stripped of everything that he probably used to or still does consider important. Why would he be seeking a Temple recommend and upset he didn't get one if it wasn't important to him...unless it was just fodder for his channel.

[@andrewreed4216]

Keep standing up, I'm trying to here in Australia, too. I'm not against the church just against dishonesty

[@TheLastDispensation]

A legend in his own mind. . . Meanwhile, as the Gathering of Israel moves onward! . . . .

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Beautiful backdrop Peter!

[@barbiechopshop9538]

Nemo thanks for explaining the motives behind your position because I thought perhaps your were being a supertroll and couldn't understand why you don't just leave the church like everyone else does.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I’m glad I was able to, it’s a tricky position to articulate

[@haroldwhite5761]

Excellent, thank you so much

[@tombaker6083]

I was excommunicated for asking the same questions you have. I asked my son why. He says because I'm from pioneer stock. My grandkids are 8th generation. We are held at a higher standard. What fo you think?

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Um you sound loving and intelligent. Think and pray Follow your heart. Kids will be fine Love wins. Evil always weak God bless. Good luck

[@desiadaven]

Will you turn that bit at the beginning into a short? I would LOVE to share that far and wide.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I’ll put it up as a stand alone video, sure

[@desiadaven]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Thanks!

[@bewitched3912]

As loud as I am to my TBM famdamily of 300 living Mormon relatives and in-laws that this religious institution is a sex cult, you'd think they would've excommunicated me again already because I'm practically a son of perdition, in which case that determination, I am now a man 😅 thank you for listening to my Ted talk!!

[@joannvandenberg4792]

The leaders don't care what they do wrong because they have gotten a second anointing. In their minds, they will make it to the celestial kingdom no matter what wrong they do. Don't worry, God will judge you and what is in your heart. God will also still judge those with a second anointing and what is in their hearts.

[@Veevslav1]

I am in a similar situation. I have a testimony of the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith. I have a testimony of Jesus Christ. I even had the spirit testify that President Nelson was the prophet of the Church. Morally, I cannot support the church anymore. The my wife puts it, why should I have to go through the great and spacious building to get to the tree of life? When did it change?

[@MormonNewsRoundup]

good opening video thoughts

[@jgreen8298]

Yes, keep exposing the snakes!

[@2022Coopersmom]

😂😂😂❤❤❤ 2nd 😂😂😂❤ anointing. I love you Nemo!

[@Barbi1953]

Do they think about being held accountable for their behavior? They can not hide actions from Heavenly father. Trust is lost but not gain from dishonesty.

[@raydunn8262]

Darth Nemo, you're the link between Pixar and Star Wars Expanded Universes.

[@thescottysmomexperienceobr9954]

What an honor. To be asked to baptize someone.

[@stevec8861]

Never heard LDS not holding temple clearance or not interested in Temple worship couldn't exercise priesthood. How long has that been case?

[@user-ql2id3ml3i]

if you leave the church gets you cancelled by friends, family and ward members.

[@Eagle_Powers]

That’s not a fact for everyone. I left the church and nothing has changed. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but I think most people if they are truly your friends or family nothing will change. If it does then that’s on them.

[@justtep7092]

Well if the family is very Mormon. They most likely have a problem with the family member leaving the church... They'll think he/she got tempted by Satan lol

[@Eagle_Powers]

@@justtep7092 Yep I’m sure that happens a lot.

[@dcarts5616]

I have experienced two things to be true with over half of my family leaving the LDS church. First, yes it’s hard, but it isn’t unusual for people to leave their faith, happens and will happen all the time, does nobody read their scriptures anymore? It’s all over the Bible. Second, if the ones who leaves respect the ones who don’t, and vice versa, I’ve found that the family will stick together, friends can stick together if boundaries are set, nobody has been cancelled in my situation although two of our siblings have self cancelled because they just doing have much in common anyone and aren’t open to other people’s opinions and or beliefs so it makes it hard to not lose some friends or family members closeness that was once there. It’s when the member portion visits the now non-member portion and expects the now non-member portion to live like they did before leaving that it gets hard. Even harder, is when the now non-member portion visits the member portion and expects them to not carry on as members. For example asking the still member portion to remove pictures of temples, baptisms, mission pics, proclamations, books, magazines and even not talk about god or church and I mean AT ALL. It all just depends on the individual members who stay and leave. I am mixed. My own family walks on eggshells around my siblings who’ve left because they’re rather easily offended and are super emotional humans now. On the other hand my in-laws side, we carry on pretty much as normal, if things get uncomfortable it’s noticed and we respect each other. The line is still there, a little apprehension at times, but we’re still every Sunday dinner types despite the coming divorces and hangovers and different beliefs or non-beliefs. We watch the kids that some of the now non-members leave behind to go party (not all of them party, most do now though) and come back the next day hungover (or fighting because one wants open relationship and the others isn’t sure but they’re experimenting and there are no rules anymore so neither can get angry so why not, right?) We’ve got others who left our church and go to another so no crazy stuff we just worship Jesus differently. As of right now, none that have left are antis, thank goodness, they just left and have moved on, no attacks on us and we don’t attack them. We can coexist. It just all depends.

[@user-ql2id3ml3i]

@@Eagle_Powers depends why you leave. If it's because you think Nelson is a fake and evil, you will loose friends and family.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Excommunicating not excommunication. Edit on earlier comment but know you all could pick it up. Thanks for your work. Y'all are making me tear up.