Why the MX-5 Miata BEATS the 718 Boxster

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Even though the Porsche 718 Boxster costs twice as much as an ND2 Mazda MX-5 Miata, the MX-5 just might be the better sports car. I'll show you the top 3 reasons why.
0:00 - Welcome!
0:50 - Reason 1: Under the hood
2:22 - Reason 2: It's ALIVE!
4:16 - Reason 3: Gear ratios
5:00 - Bonus reason (for some of you)
5:59 - Wrapping up
2019 Mazda MX-5 Miata Club 6MT w/ Brembo/BBS package
#Mazda #MX5 #Miata

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Do you agree/disagree with anything I said? Did I miss any factors? Comment below!

[@ektan801]

Totally agree. Great video!!!

[@bricegraham8256]

I can't agree nor disagree becuase I havnt driven one of these very far. But what I can say is....... I WANT ONE NOW BUT TOO EXPENSIVE. and I don't have an interest in financing at this point.

[@AthenaSaints]

I hardly see any sports cars under 50000 USD, that give you front double wish bone, rear multi-link suspension. MX-5 is one of those greatest cars, in terms of fun per mile, and fun per dollar.

[@toshitanaka1550]

Not to mention that this car will last a long time for the money.

[@cyrilmatthew2995]

Not a sports car but prior 2010 Honda Accord came with double wishbone front suspension setup even in the 2.4 l iteration ... I wish those were rear wheel drive

[@30hours51]

@@cyrilmatthew2995 still too heavy......

[@cyrilmatthew2995]

@@30hours51 bro you totally missed the point ... The owner of the comment section was stating whether any vehicles offer double wishbones under 50 USD... Yes prior gen base accords used to have double wishbones for a family / economic car ... And it drives excellent for a fwd sedan which wasn't meant to be a track weapon ... Like the vehicle Miata fanboys still hasn't evolved and turn zombies if someone says Miata is slow ... good day

[@russowens4696]

​@cyrilmatthew2995 It is quick, not fast.

[@marvintheodore5871]

I like your natural charisma. This was useful for me. Thank you.

[@montysport94]

I have both the ND2 and a 986S. Honestly, it’s hard to favor one over the other and the more I think about it the harder it is to come up with an answer. Despite the fact that they are both roadsters, they drive so differently a direct comparison seems like an injustice. I think I need to make my own video about it.

[@Senza_1]

I think you should. I believe many people are having a time deciding between these two specifically. Myself included

[@prestonwells9465]

New to the channel. Love the MX-5 content. Great vehicle. I applaud Mazda for still making this legendary vehicle.

[@davidhom]

Thanks for a great video. I just got into my first MX-5 ('19 RF GT-S) while waiting for a Cayman GTS 4.0 allocation. I'm loving the Miata! I haven't given up my place in line yet, but wondering what I'll do when my turn comes up. I LOVE the sound of the NA flat 6 (I too have owned a 991.1 C2S with Sport Exhaust), but, to your point on gearing, on the 718 Cayman/Boxster, you can hit 80 mph in 2nd. Not that much opportunity to safely (or legally) use the whole rev range on the street... I'm enjoying winding the Miata out to 7,000+, rowing through the gears and tossing it into the corners!!!

[@randywiller7985]

I just bought a 2023 GT convertible. I’ve driven a 2003 Z4 for 13 years and loved it. I’m 5’5” tall. I love this car even more.

[@neiljoseph904]

Very provocative statement and having just watched your video, a very thought provoking one too! The current 718 GTS is the car to have in Cayman or Boxster guise - but it’s thrice the price of an MX-5 (what we call them in the UK). Great review, great energy James 🙌🏽

[@Subotai111]

Great content keep it coming bro!

[@waynekempton7160]

Agreed with every bit of this. We love our 2019 ND Gt-s! In between our 1990 MX-5 NA and our current car, we had a 2003 BMW Z4. We traded in the Z4 on the ND2 and could not have been more thrilled. It seems that some of the reasons you like the ND2 better than the 718 are the same reasons that I like the ND2 better than the Z4.

[@carlosbrigett2574]

Excellent review from someone of whom has had the experience of driving the different models of Porche, then driving a driver's car like the MX-5. I'm an older guy that has owned 2 brand new MGB's back in the '60's, a '64 and a '66 MGB. Couldn't stay out of either of them also cannot stay out of this, my 4th MX-5, a 2023 MX-5.

[@kamilozdemir1903]

You go man. I feel like I’m receivin’ what you be sharin’. Great energy. Get cheap gimbal for video quality though

[@kodek1234]

Thanks man. Just the video I was looking for.

[@am.6296]

I like how you put the bonus point out there without any concerns about ego. I think you're right, the low belt line on the Miata gives people of different stature a fuller roadster feel. And I agree that's an underrated point. A lot of roadsters are designed with the old porsches and MG midgets of the day in mind. Those cars were smaller too back then. And there was a reason for it lost on today's bigger is better mantra which doesn't serve the roadster ethos. Also, I agree on the manual. But not just because of the short gearing. Despite being a traditional Japanese cultured company Mazda still like to go against the established grain. That slick shifter, which is ergonomically designed to fall to hand, and biting point on the clutch point to a car designed by true enthusiasts, not some bowtied executive thinking only about the company's bottom line.

[@vanle-un6ri]

Been looking at and debating between 718, corvette c8, or back to 911. But after watching your video, I'm now leaning toward the MX-5. Thank you 🙂

[@marciehutchinson1912]

good point about my size. It is a perfect fit for me at 5'7". hadn't thought about that but it does make sense.

[@MichaelSBetts]

Nice, personable video. Well done. As someone said, a tripod or something more stable for the camera might be helpful. But you're good at this and keep it up!

[@aperson5062]

My 2 cents would be upgrade location, get outdoors with a body mic, do some driving while talking about the shifting. Add more car shots. His analysis was spot on.

[@TrackMonkey327]

Nice review. IMHO, the Miatas of all generations have always been the working class hero for the rest of us. For that, I am grateful that Mazda continues to offer these wonderful and affordable sports cars.

[@starstar5657]

You're right about the height, im huge at 5, 2" and my NB fits me so well. Love these cars.

[@emissarygw2264]

I'm 5'11 and the miata seems good sized to me too. I actually even have the seat pushed a bit forward (although I do generally like to sit more forward than a lot of people).

[@johntechwriter]

Now that the six-cylinder has returned to the Boxster, it is far improved. And it is a marvelous high-end sports car, in a different category, price and equipment-wise, from the MX-5, so comparing them is apples and oranges. I love them both but for real-world driving I prefer the MX-5. While a Boxster might well cost me my license, I can have a thoroughly delightful backroad blast in my MX-5 at sane speeds. And the MX-5's reliability and low operating costs should embarrass Porsche. About the snug interior -- there's a reason. Like Jaguar, Mazda incorporates a "fuselage" design philosophy that envelops the driver with no wasted space and all controls at hand. Americans consider such cars cramped, and for people 6' and over, it is. But at 5' 10" I feel as snug as a bug in a rug in my MX-5. Like yours, our family fleet consists of an ND2 and a CX-5. I can't think of a better combination. Added together, they cost less -- MUCH less -- than many of the solitary Mercs and Audis in our condo's parking garage. Unlike pretty much any German cars these days, our Mazdas will be economical to drive and cheap to maintain for years after their warranties expire.

[@David_Journey]

Great analysis James! Using a tripod for recording may make the video less dizzying.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

David, thanks for the kind words & the feedback!

[@alangross2277]

The MX-5 is a perfect fit for a person that is 5'-6" to 5'-7" like I am too! I have the machine Gray RF with BBS Package...it is definitely a blast to drive.

[@Auto-Minute]

Great video! :D ...and 100% agree with you on getting into a car that just "fits"

[@AarmOZ84]

Porsches are more designed for the track while Miatas are more designed for the street. I love how frequently I have to shift the gears when driving through my the Mountains in my Miata. The short gear range makes it a blast to drive on windy roads with lots of ups and downs. However, if I were going to track a lot and money was not an issue, I would get a 718 Boxster or Cayman T over the Miata.

[@DaBinChe]

Good to see a Mazda family, ZoomZoom. Mazda really is the funnest Japanese cars to drive today.

[@kignacio]

Very nice insight. I assume you are from the South Bay and explore the Skyline twisties with that thing. I am a motorcycle rider but looking for a car again. 1999 Subaru 2.5RS Coupe was my last steed. I will wait and see how the GR 86 stacks up against the ND in a few months.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

The new 86 definitely seems promising. Can’t wait to get my hands on one!

[@mikemartenson4357]

It sounds like such a close call between the two, that why have both? When I first bought my 2017 GT I thought the body roll was a bit much and took it to Long Road Racing to be converted into the Ultimate MX-5 with an Edelbrock supercharger. So now I think I need to drive a Porsche to see if they are more equal and thus put the money I would have spent into my 65 AC Cobra. Thanks for your vid.

[@eplurp]

Nice garage. Where do you keep your lawn stuff?

[@davidgeorge3705]

Great video! I’m 5ft 7 inches, and fit perfectly. Wife is 5ft 2 inches so masses of room for her! Here in Australia the entry-level base model 918 Boxster is exactly TRIPLE the price of the top level MX5!! The only other roadster is the BMW Z4, and the base model is TWICE the price, and only comes in auto. The Aust MX5s seem to be lighter than the USA, don’t know if it’s because ours are RHD. I think we also don’t have some of the extra metal associated with crash protection. Mine is completely standard and weighs 2,270lbs with a full tank, so 70 lbs lighter. Very quick and lively around town and in the hills. No doubt our petrol equivalent to USA 94.5 helps too.

[@donstaramos]

That is so true about the height thing. I think that is why I didn’t feel as comfortable in the cayman.

[@mattyz45]

Wow boss great way to explain in layman's terms the nuances. trading in a 2012 gti coupe for this car. what can i expect to be big silly different?

[@user-vr1pj9mt7h]

In a previous life, I’m thinking you were an Englishman, you understand the weight v power thing very well, a spitfire or mg driver from the 70s? Keep up the good work young fella🇦🇺😃

[@joaobatistavieira9164]

Thanks, James, for the video. What your opinion about the new Toyota GR86, comparing to Miata (RF and Soft Top)? Because I like both. I appreciate your answer. Happy New Year.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Hi Joao, Happy New Year to you too. Aside from the more obvious differences (roof styles, interior and cargo space, etc.) I think the GR86 exhibits a rather different personality than the Miata, and the right choice for each person will depend on what they are looking for. The GR86 is meant to be more serious and precise, whereas the Miata excels in being silly and floppy in stock form. If I were shopping the two, I'd probably go with GR86 if it's my only car, and Miata if it's a dedicated weekend car.

[@joaobatistavieira9164]

@@JamesPlaysWithCars Thank You very much for the precious answer. I live in Brazil and I'll need to import (if I were one of these). Congrats for the Channel.

[@mikehinh]

Great video

[@SWFlowseeker]

Well done I have a 15 cayman s and it’s an awesome car all the way around. But I do agree you just can’t get it in the sweet spot on the public streets.

[@user-oi4yg8kd3z]

That is actually really helpfull video. I’ve had an mx-5 nb (2002 my), and once a 2001 Boxter owner joined me in a trip with open top, he mentioned that aerodynamics of the NB is much better then a boxter’s. Like we can talk and hear each other easily while driving 30 mph on a miata. He claimed that it won’t be so comfortable in a boxter. Right now i’m thinking about ND miata or used 718 boxter. How do you think, what will feel more comfortable in terms of silence with open top? Thanks. Or both of the cars will do equally loud? :D

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

I’m glad you found the video to be helpful! If I remember correctly, the 718 Boxster is quieter and more civilized than the ND MX-5 with the top down. I would say both are quite comfortable and civilized at 30mph but a bit difficult to have a conversation in at highway speeds.

[@duckbizniz663]

Very helpful report on the Miata vs Porsche Boxster. Of course, the Boxster is a mean machine, but there are a lot of usability issues. I am not an expert driver nor a mechanical engineer. Though I do appreciate expert information that will help me extend my understanding. I am looking at issues most average Joes (limited knowledge) can understand, plus I just cannot spend money like a multi-billionaire. Thanks, James.

[@BN99239]

I agree with everything you've said. As for the S2k, it is an amazing car, but I actually don't enjoy it around town as much since it feels sluggish unless you really rev it out, and I'm just not at the age to rev out every single gear in town anymore haha. I have an ND2 RF and I love the way it looks with the top up; almost like a mini exotic with the buttress in the rear. It's interesting because the Miata is a lightweight car that feels pretty raw but at the same time, it's also a GT car that you can daily and take moderately long trips in The ride is comfortable, the only thing that is bothersome is the amount of noise, but that's not really a complaint for those deciding on a roadster anyhow. The car just does everything related to driving so well, and it looks nice on the outside and inside.

[@hannafordfitness1568]

Which year do you own? Is it a sub 2019 with the 155hp? Wondering because most people think that the 180hp in the 2019 and beyond is plenty enough.

[@BN99239]

@@hannafordfitness1568 I have an ND2, so it has the 181hp. It's a 2021. It's fast enough, sure, but the torque is around 150lb-ft so it's nothing exciting until I get around 6000rpm and even then I still think it can use a bit more power. 230hp or 250hp would feel amazing, which is what adding a turbo seems to hit for those with the BBR turbo and tune.

[@BDFLFUN2]

Strangely, the S2000 engine has similarities with a 6-cylinder Boxster/Cayman as the engines are pretty sedate until you get up in the revs. With my old AP2, it always tempted me to rev it -- it was a lot of fun when you could keep the revs high enough but I agree, most of the time you couldn't and the relative lack of torque made it "not fun" in-city (unless you were a hooligan)

[@emanmark]

I own an MX-5 RF and love it, perfect size for me (5'8"), less power and more affordable fun, mazda got it right!

[@nodrogkam]

I like your analogy of the flat 6 sounding like tearing up velcro. It explains why I don't like boxer motors. Maybe embrace the body roll and use weight transfer to your advantage - it's a fun challenge! Should hop into a Supra - it'll feel surprisingly cosy in the cabin - but the exterior will feel enormous haha.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

The really obvious weight transfer is why Miatas are such great training tools for performance driving!

[@kurtglover3648]

Love the comment on being designed for short people - being 5'8" everything about my ND has been absolutely perfect ergonomically (except for the cupholders, no one's free from the gymnastics involved to get to them)

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Haha too true about the cup holders!

[@chalkywhite7999]

Great video James. I'm tossing up whether to buy my 3rd Boxster (a 981 or a 718) having owned a 986 and 987 and enjoyed them both. I've always loved the look of the ND soft top. I think they're the 2 best looking drop tops around. I'm just 5'8'' and agree with your comments o the fit. Always liked the Subaru flat 4 sound though on my Impreza so happy with 718 soundtrack. Big bonus IMO is luggage space for longer trips in the Boxster and big negative for the ND having tried a few are the hammock seats - I'd have to get a Recaro or 30th Anniversary edition for the seats alone. Factor in the prestige of the Porsche badge and the double the price tag and I think I'm leaning toward to MX5. Thanks again for the vid - it's really given food for thought.

[@mikeb9569]

I thought about Boxsters for a while but found that finding one with an LSD was rare. I love throwing the rear end around and the LSD in my ND Club makes it much more smooth and predictable.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Great point re LSD

[@clementediaz3502]

I can’t be the only one who has a crush on this guy, right? 😮 Just found him a couple of days ago, and not only is he charming but just gorgeous, too! Keep up the good work, stud!

[@pegleggreg3627]

Fuel economy and price and insurance are also nice pluses. Also it’s reliability! Short gang fTW

[@mikeb1039]

I've been waffling on a Boxster for years now. Had 2 miata's and loved them so of course "big bro" Boxster had to be on the list. But they are now 300hp for a newer model and a much more serious (and dangerous) speed machine. At one point I "might" have used some of that capability but now in my 60's it's doubtful i ever would. But still curious about that straight 6 sound/feel/experience. The IMS bearing was always a concern but for $1,000 just figure it in the purchase price. But NOW with the bore scoring problem costing 10K+ to fix you REALLY gotta love a Porsche to buy one. (JMO) Looking hard at the Miata again and debating a 19+ or a 16-18 (or NC?) and get a turbo. (LOVED my MSM with Flying Miata mods)

[@machineslave3]

It’s tough to not look at a 981 base cayman or boxster. They can be had for somewhat similar money (though the Porsche is still more) and they have more usability than the Miata. I owned an ND for a year and looooved it. now that i can get back into a sports car Im debating between the two. Thank you for the reminder about how much every day fun can be had with the Miata.

[@odinikita4821]

I have a 981 boxster s and ive had an NC mx5...trust me the 981 with pdk, pasm and sport chrono and that mid mounted flat 6 is just bliss....i loved my mx5 but the 981 bs is levels better.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

NC vs 981 S - yup I’d take the 981 as well. ND vs 718 (as discussed in this video) is a closer call and for me ND comes out on top :)

[@colinedwards4815]

On my 5th miata absolutely love them

[@jperes889]

I have a 2017 MX 5 since 2 weeks. I love this car, I use it as my daily driver. I couldn't afford to use most other sports car as daily driver. In the end I have fun and I don't spend more than a normal car.

[@mnsimkin]

I bought Mazda Miata last august 2021 and boxter s in Feb 2022 Like them both. Agree with most of your comments. But for speed and torque and handling and acceleration 718 is a step up. Can u use that on public roads. It depends Mazda far better for the money But I like 718 better overall. I am 6 feet 200 lbs.

[@homersimpson9182]

I picked a 21’ RF GT over a 718 and am just LOVING the savings (money & gas) for the same (if not more) amount of fun. MX5 is just so raw for a modern car. Great video!

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Nice!! Enjoy your new MX-5

[@teamground0229]

Mistake that I sold my 94 NA r model in the high prices recently. Decided I must fill that void in 2024. Have been considering early 2000's Boxster S models. When the Illinois salty weather breaks, going to start driving models to see which works best for me. Way more boxsters for sale than miata's.

[@jerryhedrick]

Looks like my garage. I drive the MX5 and the wife a CX5. I also have the BBS wheels and brakes👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@michelbergeron6852]

I agree with everything you said except for the sound of the 718 Boxster which I actually love. I also own one of each of these cars.

[@donrichter3523]

To each their own, but I’ve heard sexier sounding tractors than a Subaru.

[@DrDiplMed]

If you already like it, you’ll like it more with the Soul exhaust tips…I put those on my 21 718 T and it made a nice difference, especially in Sport mode.

[@30hours51]

There’s a British guy selling a $55 sound tube that improves the sound of the ND into a 80-90s 4 banger

[@rembo183]

Three new ND Miatas for the price of one GTS flat six GTS Boxster! Indeed the “Bang for the buck” is THE best reason to me!!! MONEY matters a lot. A new loaded Miata in GT trim is about $35-40. The cheapest Boxster is $65 without options! Plus all your reasons are true as well! I own a 2008 NC with PRHT. which I purchased for $10k. It’s more fun than my previous 2012 Boxster which cost $30. The maintenance without a warranty is another good reason. The Miata is a wonderful car to drive as a daily too. It’s fun every day without stress or concern for vandalism or repairs. Great review!

[@odinikita4821]

Nope dont believe you. Ive had an nc and i have a 981 boxster s, so i know both are great but the porsche is just better. There is no debate.

[@rembo183]

@@odinikita4821 - Good morning ! Watch the latest Savagegeese UTube video on this exact topic! They debate this very point! There is no question that the Porsche is a better quality car after all it’s twice the money at least. However, the Miata is a sports car value for someone who doesn’t want to spend $65k -$100k. It’s a great car to drive for the enthusiast driver on a budget. If you have no limits re money the Porsche is a no-brainer! Savagegeese do the best car reviews hands down. 👍🏻😊

[@odinikita4821]

@@rembo183 y eah i like em too. Have you seen Throttle House car reviews?

[@rembo183]

@@odinikita4821 -Yep I watch them all the time they’re great.

[@mikeb9569]

I have an ND MX5 and get 34 MPG mixed driving and 36.5 MPG on the backroads (I've seen 38 on highways with the windows up and a tail wind).

[@chrism582]

I'd love to see you compare the miata to your new camaro or/and to the Toyota GR86/Subaru BRZ

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Can’t wait to drive the new 86/BRZ!

[@sami00961]

Very intelligent and entertaining

[@user-cj7dv2kc6d]

Cleanest and most bare garage I've ever seen. Where do you store all your tools and other automotive stuff?

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Haha my stuff is all inside the house in a closet. My wife calls the garage my “showroom”. It just feels good to go into the garage every day when it’s clean like that :)

[@spendingtimetogether8428]

@@JamesPlaysWithCars Your wife? You still look like a kid who's in university at the very most haha. Appreciate your comment about small cars for ppl our size, Miata is awesome, nothing like it on the road with its super-smallness, not even the BRZ/GR86 can match it. I guess only the Alfa 4C but can't get that new now :( Nice channel, keep your videos coming!

[@paulitik7]

Reliability and cost of ownership, and ease of working on it yourself if you want would also be another factor

[@EjinRenos]

The easiest car I've ever worked on was a 986 Boxster S. Japanese cars may be reliable, but working on them is often an act of contortion and slenderness.

[@TheFracturedfuture]

​@@EjinRenosThis is super false. Japanese cars are super easy to work on.

[@EjinRenos]

@@TheFracturedfuture And that's super negative. My old boxster was so much easier to work on than my NC MX5. So your statement of assumption is just that: assuming I stated they're difficult to work on when i said the boxster is EASIER.

[@TheFracturedfuture]

@@EjinRenos You just said japanese cars were hard to work on, that is a super broad and false generalization. Also you're comparing an older car to a newer one, obviously the older car is going to be easier to work on, however if you take a 95 porsche and a 95 civic the civic is going to be 10 times easier to work on. BTW you said they were "an act of contortion" you pretty much said it there.

[@EjinRenos]

@@TheFracturedfuture You still reading into something that wasn't said? I literally said it is often an act of contortion and slenderness. In no means did I say "difficult." Do you see that word typed out at all???? I don't. Till now. You're assuming. But since you're a bit slow on the uptake I'll spell it out for you. And comparing a 2002 to a 2006 is old versus new???? Lmao. Changing headlight bulbs on the NC MX5 I owned required two methods. One: remove the whole front assembly to change bulbs. Or two: get a slender handed person to reach between the headlight and frame and twist their hands into a very contorted position to remove the bulbs. Porsche: insert headlight removal tool, twist, slide forward headlight and change bulb. Reverse for reassembly. Takes 10 seconds tops. And this is just one of the ways it's easier to work on such a car versus a Japanese car. And that is literally what I said.

[@cratervanawesome]

Don't particularly agree with there not being top end on the turbo Boxsters. They feel different for sure, probably because the turbo makes its peak power starting around 3k and holds it pretty flat till 6500 but it doesn't ever really run out and still pushed to the redline of 7500. Miata takes longer to built torque and then falls off right aftter its peak at 5k which creates a feeling of a "peak". I was heavily really considering an ND RF, Turo'd one a few times to try it out. It was a blast in the Southern California Mountains and Canyons, but on the highway was not very pleasant and felt a bit gutless. As someone who is 5' 8" I actually felt like it was made for someone slightly smaller than my size. I daily an Afla Romeo Giulia now and had a few different v8 Challengers before that so I'm more used to having stability from more weight and the power available. I was still considering it despite those negatives as the fun positives outweighed them since I wasn't going to be commuting in it Then along came a 718 Boxster. My wife was actually excited about that as opposed to the Miata which she was fine with me getting but never intended on spending much time in. Managed to get an allocation for a 2024 and ordered one exactly how I wanted it. It's just a different level of car than the Miata. It fills most of the same niche, but so much more. Mid-enigne balance and more power more than makes up for the heavier weight. I also feel like the weight also helps it feel much more stable in most situations. I get that people can't all afford brand new Boxsters so the things the Miata offers for the price is amazing, but its not a reason to pretend that its better. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend my Boxster is better than a Maserati MC20 just because it does a lot of the same things well for less money.

[@cyrusnanavati]

Spot on - very true !!

[@DarkstarDarth]

Would really like to try one but I’m 6’4” so back to a Z4 or Cayman😐

[@trigganometry168]

Tried to get a Miata but could fit right or get comfortable (6'1"). I ended up paying way more then I wanted to for 2022 Cayman GTS.

[@danielthomas8507]

Very interesting mate ..i have owned my NA mx5 for 12yrs and just recently added a 986 to my garage , much older cars but similar difference's, the mx5 is easy to drive and a blast all the time and is light and nibble, the porsche on the other hand is for a more experienced driver and has to be going alot faster to get the same feeling as the mazda going slow , your so right the weight is a huge factor in the experience and the gear shifter is just rubbish compared to the mx5, having said that in the case of the NA the porsche is clearly better build quality and solid as a rock on the road and alot faster even in 2.5 base spec, its good to have both because depending on the situation both shine for different occations , the mx5 is a great track day car and the porsche is great on a long drive, i will probably sell the boxster one day but never the Miata, its alway the answer as they say lol, cheers from New Zealand

[@rembo183]

I’ve owned both as well and I totally agree with everything you say. The Porsche is fun on longer trip- especially the driver. Passengers won’t like Boxster either!

[@danielthomas8507]

@@rembo183 actually my wife loves the porsche more than my NA but prefers her NC ...woman eh?????

[@adrianvelasquez138]

I love this video

[@jimchokdeesal3057]

i like it mainly also because the maintenaince will not burn wallet...

[@dlg5485]

At 6ft, I fit perfectly in the ND Miata with room to spare. Even my 6ft 2in friend fits with no discomfort. It really is a well designed sports car that can accommodate a wide range of driver shapes and sizes. I've lusted after the Boxter/Cayman GTS (with the 4.0) since it was released, but it's simply unattainable for me, and I don't believe it's worth 3x the price of a ND3 RF anyway. I loved my ND Miata so much that I just ordered a 2024 ND3 RF GT manual. Unfortunately, with recent price increases, the ND3 is no longer the bargain it use to be, but it's still a reasonably good value, mainly because it truly has no direct competition. Paying the much higher price wasn't an easy decision since ND2 MIatas can be found for 8% below MSRP right now, but the ND3 brings some very desirable upgrades, even compared to the ND2, so I do think it's worth the higher price.

[@eddiesmith258]

Been looking at 996/911 or a 986/ Boxster for quite a long time

[@gregnote8818]

Asking for your take. Few months ago, we needed a 2nd car. We have mid-size SUV. So I wanted a small SUV, CX-30 to be exact. Mazda salesman saw our SUV and told us to go for MX-5. So we got the MX-5. It is a fun car, but I still do think about whether we made the right decision. Could you give us your take as you own both? Thanks.

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

What an interesting decision to make! I think the CX-30 and MX-5 are so different that it really depends on your specific use case. If you don’t truly need two SUVs in the family, the MX-5 can inject some real excitement into your driving. The CX-30 is fun for a CUV, and the MX-5 is fun, period.

[@dougmaverick3287]

The 718 Cayman and Boxster with the flat 4-cylinder engines sound exactly like a Subaru. I owned a 2005 98.1 Boxster with a flat 6 engine in the exhaust note was glorious. Plus the gearing in most Porsche models is so high you can't enjoy the shifting of Gears like you can in a Miata driving on city streets.

[@robertboone8607]

You forgot a few its not 75k with options like the boxster and doesn't leave you stranded either lol 😆

[@gaurpranav]

It has a no fuss manual top :)

[@martybuck]

I wanted a mx5, but I'm 6'1', which isn't that tall, and I'm almost looking at the top of the windshield frame. I do fit in my boxster. The boxster is clearly superior on the roads I drive. Also, my wife and I can take a two week road trip with 2 trunks

[@CalmingSoundZZZ]

This is very helpful. I'm new to sports cars and am considering a miata, cayman, c8 and a 911. I know; it's crazy. The 911 4s is the dream but I'm just not sure if I should get it right out the gate. This video was very helpful for a crazy person like me. Aloha!

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

I’m glad it was helpful! I cross-shop the craziest combinations of cars too, so I know what it’s like 😅

[@ngkayui]

i am debating between a Miata and 981 Boxster

[@lucianolucidi8624]

Porsche is more luxury. Thats all. I've got an MX5 ND 2.0 RF ex184hp in Soul Red and with ohlins suspensions. I love it.

[@HeeersEllery]

I live in Thailand and have a 2008 NC with upgraded coil overs, sway bars, exhaust etc (and one of 16 manual transmissions in the country). I was thinking about upgrading to a 981 (or maybe a 718) but considering the cost differential (my NC was US$36,000 a couple years ago) and a 2013 base 981 would cost about $120,000 and a new (with just a few options) 718 will run over US$200,000 (up to $300,000 for a fully optioned 718, $350,000 for a fully optioned 718s and over $400,000 for a fully optioned GT4) I just can’t see how the “upgrade” would be worth it. Even on Rennlist in the US, where the cost differential isn’t nearly as much, the MX5s get high marks from the members. I guess I can stop looking now.

[@BDFLFUN2]

As you point out, there is so much you can do with an NC with modifications. When I installed Ohlins and some rear underbody bracing to stiffen the car -- it transformed my NC. This is maybe another point that could have been added to the video. The Miata community is great, and aftermarket support is amazing. In contrast, Porsche requires you to pay a high cost to get their (well-engineered) "modded at factory" cars.

[@andycalifornia426]

Wow, you guys get a very raw deal there, when it comes to pricing. Why do shitty countries tax imported cars that much? It's not like they have their own manufacturers to protect. Actually, when I think about it, it's usually countries that don't make cars that usually tax imports like hell, even in Europe. I don't understand why they have to oppress their people so much.

[@donrichter3523]

@andycalifornia426, because they can. Although, with California in your user name, if you live there, you experience the same 3rd world oppression.

[@DueGreg]

Okay, the 4th reason is the best... I have never known why I feel uncomfortable in most sports cars, but this should be the reason. Fyi based on my experience: the closest thing in inner size to the miata is the aventador!

[@chanhyung88]

I loved ND miata but then it was way too small inside. I switched to NC Miata and I am much happier.

[@arricammarques1955]

MX-5 NC & Beck 550 Spyder : )

[@aperson5062]

MX-5 RF owner here. I'm 5'10" and agree with your last point about fit. I heard some reviewer say the Miata was like putting on an Iron Man suit, that you strap it on. I would add another MX-5 benefit over a Porsche, that when you show up at work in it people don't assume they pay you too much.

[@jerrylynn6157]

I'm shy of 6'2" and it definitely feels like I'm wearing my ND Club. Which is interesting in that I also own a JDM 240Z, a vintage Japanese car, and it affords far more room than either my FR-S or MX-5. That said, I just tell myself I'm slipping into an F1 car.

[@534tgrg6yrtgdf]

is the bite point on the clutch quite high (clutch pedal high up) on ND2? how does the clutch compared to other cars like S2000 and 86?

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

Great question-at least on my ND2 and a couple of ND1’s I’ve driven, the bite point is somewhat lower than most other car models. Lower than most BMWs, a bit lower than Porsches, higher than FR-S (which I imagine is same as 86). I don’t recall exactly where the bite point was in the S2000 that I drove a few years ago. I personally find the ND2 clutch to be excellent in terms of lightness but still providing feel. After 7k miles with this car I have become very fluent with this shifter/clutch combination, more so than in any other car I’ve owned. The shifting experience in the ND2 is the most cohesive and satisfying I’ve experienced except perhaps in the S2000.

[@AndRootPro]

I’ll be honest, my nd2 has a really linear feeling clutch, dead space at the bottom 20% of travel, and then it gradually grabs up to the 85% point and then it’s just about fully engaged there. Super easy to drive, 1st to 2nd is tough to get the rev matching right when upshifting for a bit but you get used to it and the rest of the gears are stupid easy to drive and really rewarding to learn

[@534tgrg6yrtgdf]

@@JamesPlaysWithCars Thanks James. Keep the videos coming. I really like the informative ones you do. Eg. Drag coefficient. Can you also do one comparing the new 86 to the ND?

[@534tgrg6yrtgdf]

@@AndRootPro thanks for you comments. Talking about percentages really helps. I find the gearbox a little too light. I like to work a bit harder for my shifts. It makes it feel more of a race car. Does your ND2 sound like a diesel sometimes?

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

I’m glad you like the videos! I would love to get my hands on a new 86 and make a video on it when that becomes possible for a normal person like me who doesn’t (yet) have access to press cars :)

[@coreyfreeman6226]

I 100% agree with you. the only sports car that stuck by it's original plans is the Miata. Everything else has become over weight with too much power that's not usable on the streets, will get you into trouble or send you to the hospital or 6 ft under. You can have crazy fun in a miata, think you're going fast and you look down to see 45 Mph lol. This is the only lightweight drivers car maintaining perfect oil flow at 1.4G (take that GR86/BRZ)

[@progpuss]

I had a 981 boxster and the flat 6 is a thing to behold so maybe 718 is worse but not the 981

[@nornibres]

In Canada 2023 the Miata GT that I would want is 44K, the Base Boxster the way I would build it is 108K, and that's not even with nav. Easy decision in my opinion.

[@danbush1249]

I drive a fully restored NB Miata with all the factory spoilers ,ground kit, big rims/brakes they offered back in 01. I will never sell my car, I even have the window sticker that someone paid 28k back in 01.

[@BDFLFUN2]

Some really excellent points. That is a huge weight difference. I think the Miata feels more delicate -- almost like a toy car. This can be a very good thing. In winter, the heavier Boxster, particularly with the engine nearer to the rear wheels, should be an advantage for grip and avoiding unpleasant surprises. I do think you need to be careful with a Miata in fall and winter because it is relatively easy to unload the rear of the car enough on a slick surface to cause a loss of traction resulting in a spin (been there, done that, wasn't fun.) In many climates this is not an issue at all, though. I am very tempted to get a Miata again, but if I wanted to spend a ton of money and have a true daily driver in a more northern climate, Boxster with PDK would be the answer, I think.

[@gregmeadows9385]

SNOW TIRES. My ND in winter on snows is a little tractor.

[@balazspinter4832]

I absolutely HATED the standard suspension!!!! Now I got lowering springs and anti roll bars it is much better

[@SportingDrivesinColorado]

Nice.

[@camdcam]

Also suitable for 6’1 nil issues!

[@drbobs8267]

So what you’re saying is that you like less horsepower, less torque, less sound, cheaper interior, less space, and crappier handling. Makes perfect sense to me. I am not saying that an MX-5 is a bad car, just don’t try to say it’s better than a 718. In my opinion, the only advantage is price.

[@Coloradoski24]

Would you recommend a Miata as your only daily driver?

[@JamesPlaysWithCars]

As much as I love the Miata, I do think it’s a somewhat tough car to live with as a sole vehicle. I switched to Camaro LT1 when I downsized to a single vehicle for that reason. The Miata is an amazing weekend car that can do daily duty. For me, I chose the Camaro because it’s an amazing daily car that can do weekend duty.

[@jerryhedrick]

I drive my 2019 MX5 RF to work every day. What a joy👍🏻 I take different routes home all the time to get to enjoy this amazing car even more👍🏻

[@BlackNAVYAmericanVET]

❤️MX5

[@rezselecta2580]

Everything you just said also applies to GR86 v 718 Cayman and S

[@ghoulertheskeleton5018]

Lol I am 5’6 and yes I have been inside a Miata and it feels like it’s made for me

[@ryozha7663]

Nice

[@alexgrzeskowiak5328]

I own MR-S, i drove both mx-5 ND and 718 cabrio as well as alpine a110. In terms of driving enjoyment, the MR-S is the winner - although a110 has better chasiss and suspension, it lacks manual transmission for me. 718 is the most boring car in all of them, but if i had to buy a second car apart from my MR-S it would probably be the 718 thanks to it's daily driveability and huge luggage space.

[@TheFlyrodder68]

Boxster wins easily, but that's if money is not a factor. $ per $, it's the MX-5, at least for the masses.

[@DiegogomezGTO]

I’m 6”1 and my miata barely fits me. Still worth it