Why the Myers-Briggs test is totally meaningless

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[@Voltage.Bone.R]

Still more accurate than horoscopes

[@SF-ts4vh]

true

[@proxility8981]

my stars aren’t aligned so I can’t read this comment

[@ald3baranh3ll_.]

The only horoscope you know is the sun sign

[@Voltage.Bone.R]

Ani Chen nah I also know the Rising sign and the moon sign

[@nikkinikkinikki98]

Soft Dreamer That’s still just barely the surface of what astrology is. Horoscopes are a cheapened inaccurate version of astrology.

[@lilithperalta5126]

MBTI doesn't necessarily say you're this or you're that. It just tells you which actions/attitude that you're more inclined to show or do. And the test also revealed me negative habit/doings that I need to work on.

[@erenjinchuriki]

Well it doesn’t take MBTI to point out you need to work on your anger issues, Kacchan.

[@lilithperalta5126]

@@erenjinchuriki 😠🤬 don't tell me what to do 😤

[@j_usteen]

People in this channel took it too literally

[@Ahaaka1]

@@j_usteen yeah

[@777SNYM]

Same. I recognized myself in my description, and it's far from a generic one. Helped me realize some bad habits of mine as well

[@astal3204]

What's important to remember is that just because your results say that you are, for example, a thinker, that doesn't mean that you can't have sympathy for others; or if they say you are an extravert, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy alone time. I took the test once, became extremely obsessed with it and soon realised that I had greatly exaggerated all of my traits through my actions, and my percentages had gone *way* up. Once I realized this, I stopped leaning into my letters and, I believe, became more myself. I'm still the same type by the way.

[@requiem3160]

YES! They don't understand the T vs F because they don't go into cognitive functions. T vs F is based on which your decisions are often more made up by: logic or your feelings. You can 100% sympathize, they often classify thinkers as emotionless. Not to mention my annoyance when people think introversion and extraversion means if they like people around people or not, but it's also based on where they regain your energy. For example, you could have a very social person you believe to be an extravert but by the end of the day they are very drained and require lone time to recover.

[@iamsomeone8266]

ha, i also did this for a while

[@journey578]

Exactly, when taking the test many of us tend to take our result too seriously, and start using it as labels. Not only to ourselves but others.

[@serinaher]

You totally explained Jung’s theory wrong. The Dichotomies were created by Myers and Briggs (NOT JUNG). Jung created the cognitive functions which is were the value of these theories lie. You did not cover/touch his theory at all in this video. This is not how he defined what an introvert or an extrovert is (very far from it). You made a video about concepts you obviously don’t understand and haven’t researched. All of the published critiques about the theory are of the testing tool/instrument not the theory itself (Jung’s concepts). Every time someone publishes a critique its obvious they’ve never studied the theory itself and are complaining about something they were too lazy to attempt to study or understand .

[@meltingzero3853]

Thanks for pointing out that none of the critiques actually attack the Jung basis. It's such a nice dunning-kruger straw man they got going on there, packed neatly together with editing and music, and in the end you will not have learned much as a viewer at all except that people who don't look beneath the surface will say: "There's nothing beneath the surface."

[@arielcheng6982]

THANK YOU

[@zoeanaam.6996]

Yes it was created by Myers and Briggs but using the theories of Jung.

[@FatherElectric]

I have been screaming this to myself since the late 1990s in High School as I researched Jung's theories in detail. In the late 90s, during The Cult of Personality era, words like "introvert" and "extrovert" were being thrown with virtually no understanding of how those terms had been defined by Jung. I guess because of the world wide web these days, ignorance has gone viral.

[@gung-hochang9573]

@@FatherElectric What would you say is a good way to get a more accurate understanding? Things to read, watch, look up. Something feasable, time-wise. Would you say that MBTI as a system does not reflect a good understanding of Jung's work? What about John Beebe's creation of the 8 functions (where he theorized that the four main functions had shadow functions, sort of in a yin/yang fashion)?

[@lukesandroni3436]

Whoever made this obviously didn’t like their results EDIT: Thank you everyone for all the likes and comments. This is the most likes I’ve gotten on anything ever. Appreciated! Now who wants 1000 dollars?

[@phoenix5054]

Bunch of ISTJ's who realized they are as cookie cutter of a person as any other.

[@charityerameh7716]

Luke Sandroni So true

[@charityerameh7716]

Edge Hahahahaha

[@kirbylover37]

And whoever disliked it obviously likes what they got. Hmmmm

[@brunovaz]

@@phoenix5054 And you guys sound like someone who had a *rare* personality and want to believe they're snowflakes

[@sarahmeg4811]

I’ve taken the Myers Briggs test 3 times and gotten INFJ every time. The test, plus some additional research have really helped me to understand myself and why I have trouble fitting in. It might not be the most scientific thing, but I think it can really help people understand themselves. Edit: Why am I getting so many responses now lol? It’s honestly getting annoying...

[@brianbethea3069]

I agree. I feel like they overstepped a bit by calling it totally meaningless, but in any situation outside of being a starting point (and only a starting point) for self-reflection, it's not a reliable metric. I think in general this is what they meant, but they just weren't clear enough on it.

[@slick_Ric]

if you mean a free online assessment test result is a starting point, sure. but by no means is MBTI lacking in deeper research that will help you a long way down the road. it's not just limited to the free test, you know

[@Jillionaire_]

I N F J represent !! 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@lis2286]

Same I've taken the test four times and always got INTP...

[@codacreator6162]

Better than the alternative which is... nothing.

[@lilyluna4155]

i disagree. if your type starts with an E , it doesn’t mean that you are a 100% extroverted person. it means that your leading cognitive function is directed outwards to the tribe. could be extroverted Feeling (eg caring people) or extroverted Thinking (leading people) or extroverted Sensing (people searching stimulation in the world around them) or extroverted iNtuition (people searching patterns to recognise in the world around them) .... and this is just the tip of the iceberg

[@IssyFishyy]

The cognitive functions are widely disregarded by the scientific community and no credible psychologist uses them.

[@zlatanibrahimovicisbettert7980]

Exxj are most focused on tribe, exxp are focused on being spontaneous

[@senantiasa]

@@IssyFishyy But psychology in general is not really regarded by the scientific community. I mean it is plagued by the replication/reproducibility crisis.

[@inkman4703]

@@IssyFishyy Wow, someone who doesn't know current happenings. A study by Dario Nardi found that over 90% of people who share the same type also share near identical neural responses to the same stimuli.

[@MechaShadowV2]

"extroverted feeling, eg caring". And yet the theory also has a introvert feeling being caring, how can both be the same?

[@verav1113]

People aren't math. You can't expect to predict exactly human behaviour. The mbti describes tendencies and patterns, doesn't try to confine you in a box and know your whole future life

[@pseudoplotinus]

Exactly. Also I feel people misinterpret it thanks to '16personalities', which makes it sound like 16 fixed personalities, whereas it's actually 16 personality TYPES. Two people of the same type will have two different personalities, just a lot of over-lapping personality traits due to their sharing the same type.

[@asiamies9153]

The mbti confines way too much, so do horoscopes

[@wassilchoujaa3478]

I think people share wayyyy more things that they have thing that differentiate them in my opinion. Mbti is a good example of that. I work in high social environment an I can tell you that the MBTI system helps me a lot in my job.

[@samiharwood9120]

My instructor in college said to think of this test as a house with 16 rooms. At some point in our life we will visit each room, but our favorite room is the one we are in the most as in the "type" we are assigned. I have always been an INFP and that hasn't changed over the years.

[@lindsayjones7959]

Sami Harwood INFP SQUAD

[@simranlyngdoh7599]

INFP💕

[@fhpratiwi5022]

INFP 👋

[@noctusowl]

Sorry as an INFP have to say we are kind of the exception. Once you like a room you are very unlike to leave it.

[@mariapaulacastromartinez7705]

@@noctusowl I love INFP and I was one most of the times, but now I'm an INTP :v

[@yidingyang2807]

Completely glossed over the fact that Carl Jung’s original theory included dominate, auxiliary, tertiary, and inferior functions.

[@bengisuturkekul]

omg finally someone who knows about that stuff!! all that people know about is the 16personalities website smh

[@cloe8646]

thank you!!! it seems no one knows MBTI is more than the 4 letter dichotomy!

[@shreyab2306]

Precisely. If only people did their research 😑😑😐

[@ni3070]

Please give me a link where I can read about it

[@lord5886]

Exactly.

[@crowonthepowerlines]

As a writer, I find it pretty useful for making character archetypes. If I can generally categorize these four traits in a character, I can get a rough idea of how they might behave in a given scene.

[@sonushinobu2050]

same!!

[@teamrsb8673]

Same

[@emmaes5005]

same

[@salvatormundi7148]

Jungian type came from litterature

[@zapdog_]

That’s about all it’s good for.

[@Ommelanden]

I took the test for free, and it helped me a lot with understanding why i do things they way i do, so for me it was very useful But companies judging employees on their results is indeed wrong

[@minafale3973]

Indeed, the employees must be judged for their ability and results instead of personality-based judgement. After all, it's more logical when you based it whether they can give profit for the company instead of picking personalities whereas their ability cannot be applied to the position they were assigned to.

[@inkman4703]

Especially when they don't use Jungian Theory and type purely on letters. Like the ENTP, MatPat who thinks he is an ENTJ.

[@requiem3160]

@@inkman4703 It's really annoying when people think they could just look at the letters and decide who they are. Especially since the letters are extremely simplified versions of the cognitive functions, which is far more complex. Also the people who think that introverts automatically mean they like to be alone all the time, when extraversion and introversion are also influenced by where you regain your energy (alone vs near others) rather than just "Oh, that guy is super social. He's an extravert." when the person feels extremely drained by the end of the day and needs lone time to recharge.

[@inkman4703]

@@requiem3160 for real

[@trra7785]

@@requiem3160i resonate with your comment so much, i have that specific opinion about mbti and its effects on people

[@aaronburr2338]

“None of the descriptions say lazy.” Bruh it straight up says ENTPs are lazy.

[@frostedcherrikookie1848]

Aaron Burr I am also labeled lazy when it comes to boring chores and procrastination and they aren’t wrong. I’m an INFP and no matter how many times I take the test it always comes out INFP.

[@nothanks8128]

@@frostedcherrikookie1848 ya me too

[@SieMiezekatze]

I am hella lazy

[@CR-si8ih]

Us INTPs are lazy too, or maybe that's just me

[@hrafenkell3838]

NTs that end in P are generally lazy

[@lits0_042]

To say it's "meaningless" sounds arrogant... Maybe not 100% accurate, but it doesn't mean it's completely "bullshit"

[@nicholasvangaasbeek5908]

I took it took it twice, landed INTJ when it was administered by my college then landed INTP -A when I took it at home through a different source. Anyways I'll try it again sometime from now when I feel I've gotten everything in line with education and such (so another 6-9 months by my guess but possible as short as 2 or 3 months)

[@duskyracer8800]

@@nicholasvangaasbeek5908 People most often misstype as INTJ. You should look into the type descriptions and see what resonates with you. It was almost eerie how INTP described some specific but still general things I did. The test is very inaccurate and should not be trusted. The types simply define how people generally go about processing their world. You will not resonate with everything that everyone in your type resonates with. Your type is the one that you fit into most of all. Its like a BMI chart. There are classes of obesity and then there are ranges within those classes.

[@lits0_042]

@@duskyracer8800 To simplify your last paragraph: test results are bound to a spectrum

[@kasei4023]

@@nicholasvangaasbeek5908 Learn cognitive functions

[@tracetrace2147]

I like MBTI, but I don't agree to make it for separating and hiring employees. I get INTP at first, then INTJ, then ISFJ, amd then ENTP, and then INFJ. The unconsistency is high and people can be only slightly thinker or feeler.

[@khawlaboughazi3598]

People who get mistyped answer dishonestly and in accomodation with who they wish they were, not who they really are. An online test cannot know you more than you do yourself.

[@laurrausch5978]

Righhhht, the book I'm reading currently was just talking about how cultural influence, lack of self awareness, etc can affect a test's reliability.

[@user-zh8zb6xs6i]

There’s a system. Never rely on a test.

[@realist4418]

because of the urge to want to fit into a personality you think you are. frankly we're not living life seeing how we act from a 3rd person perspective, and mbti makes all the personalities positive "characters" that have the most obvious combination of personality traits. you're bound to mistype yourself because no one's ever a 100% honest or sure what such a situation would make them do, you imagine and answer anyway

[@ruslanmamedaliyev3912]

and there is also a thing called self delusion when u force urself to believe into something that u r

[@ultraali453]

Either that, or they use language differently.. It could be that they're not very consistent with their semantics. Although, I tend to agree with your opinion.

[@TaylorQuade]

I think this test is EXTREMELY useful, just not for its perceived use. It helped me understand my strengths and weaknesses better so I could have a better relationship with my wife, family, friends, and coworkers. It's not TOTALLY meaningless 🙄

[@tomwright9904]

Yeah my critique would be "doesn't align with the current best models of personality". The issue is that the current best models of personality are often not formulated in a very useful way for what mbti aims to do - nor have I seem a good summary that addresses the same thing (though you can sort of view cognitive functions as "values" and then these values can be described by current personality models)

[@Headhunter_212]

Lucky you that you never been turned down for a job , raise or promotion because your employer put a lot of weight on this meaningless non-predictive test.

[@kellybang230]

SAME it truly shifted my view on people. instead of suffering from not understanding why we are all so different, it let me categorize them roughly in my head and understand how they are what they are. I learned that each one of us on earth is unique in their perception of life and it’s easier for me to just accept that as is

[@CarlosVixil]

Discovering a broken mirror would have some use, I guess.

[@rivspeaks]

The comment section is way more insightful than the video..

[@tracetrace2147]

I like MBTI, but I don't agree to make it for separating and hiring employees. I get INTP at first, then INTJ, then ISFJ, and then ENTP, and then INFJ. The unconsistency is high and people can be only slightly thinker or feeler.

[@Ignasimp]

@@tracetrace2147 well, always get INTP. And all my friends how have done it different types have the same result every time.

[@ushadani4186]

@@tracetrace2147 I always get the same type

[@tracetrace2147]

@@ushadani4186 Weird, why I always change? .-.

[@tracetrace2147]

@@Ignasimp 2 years ago my friend is ENFP, now she is also INTP

[@vesnakelsey8985]

"The truth is that human personalities are really complicated" YOU DON'T FREAKING SAY

[@4MXW]

you missed a couple of these "!"... so I'll used them instead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Lynn-bc9zi]

You forgot 😡😡😡

[@nikharrith9625]

Thats why we simplify and categorize it to 16 😂

[@quwyn6192]

@@nikharrith9625 exactlyyy

[@somebodysomeone453]

The real thing behind it, the iceberg behind it is about cognitive functionsbit personality or behavior

[@RavinderSingh-tn7zi]

Bro y'all forgot the cognitive functions out of which the types are made.. They're worth researching

[@peytonhawkins1244]

The fact that at 2:03, ESFJ is assigned to the role of "analyst" just goes to show how little these people actually looked into the cognitive functions and the types themselves.

[@Muffln]

ESFJs, indeed my favorite analysts.

[@bylding7899]

And ENFP as coordinator. These people are a joke. They rant about "science and facts" and immidiately proceed to use missinformation

[@matroqueta6825]

tbh they didn't even read the 16p descriptions, yeah the overview of each type is mostly positive the "strengths and weaknesses" section calls out their weaknesses very explicitly (and accurately) and really tells you where you need to grow

[@shainasmith9916]

The test isn't to claim you are 100% extroverted or 100% introverted, just which of those you have a preference for. Also, the results tells you negative aspects of your personality as well as the positives.

[@zoes8785]

Totally agreed. Also 16 personalities shows percentages, so I am 60% introverted.

[@NoName-ze4qn]

@@zoes8785 16personality ain't reliable

[@zoes8785]

@no name I guess, but it matches up to what I feel like I am so I still use it haha

[@elan825]

@@zoes8785 Why not use the Big 5 personality test? That one is actually scientific, and it shows how you score on those five traits on a scale/spectrum. Sure, today's version of the Myers-Briggs test shows you percentages, but - as you can see by all these comments - most people who take it seriously strongly identify with their 'personality type', even though no such thing exists. Dividing people into categories, giving their type a category/job description like "leader" etc., and naming other supposed members of that category only furthers this irrational thinking in arbitrary categories. Not to mention how unreliable it is to categorize personalities by cutting off at 50% when the normal distribution of these traits most likely puts the majority of people close to the 50% line in at least one trait. It is the same thinking that makes zodiac signs so popular. People like to think they are part of a group of similar people. And, given vague enough descriptions, they will rationalize and interpret whatever info you gave them to make it fit. This reminds me of when I did a 'personality test' on the internet, in which I had to choose between different pulsating shapes and colors. It gave me a hauntingly accurate description of myself - or so I thought - after I had first dismissed the assessment but then reinterpreted it to fit me. And only after I took the test did I find out that it wasn't a real test at all, but really a meaningless demo of a web designer, which was originally made to show off his skills.. in web design. The text didn't even fit me that well when I now look at it more objectively, but if you keep looking for every little thing that may fit the description, it is easy to find something confirming.

[@zoes8785]

@@elan825 hey, that's a good idea, I'll check that out

[@darkbl4ze555]

"You couldn't be a little bit of an extrovert or a little bit of an introvert." That just reveals you know nothing about the test.

[@thatguy5720]

fr

[@marimigraine]

That quote is when I stopped watching 🙄 obviously they don't know what they are talking about!

[@jacqo4428]

fo sho

[@zlatanibrahimovicisbettert7980]

was thinking the same

[@gray2306]

It's not about the letters, it's about the cognitive functions, Ti (introverted thinking), Te (extroverted thinking), Ni (introverted intuition), Ne (extroverted intuition), Fi (introverted feeling), Fe (extroverted feeling), Si (introverted sensing), Se (extroverted sensing) the test is often unreliable and the community around MBTI often thinks so too, the website doesn't talk about cognitive functions which is what MBTI is really about though it still shouldn't be taken too seriously as humans are still too complex to be determined by only these 8 functions but it's far more clear than what the test tells you

[@Rian-kn3dt]

Vox: Myers-Brigs Meaningless 16personalities users: _attack!_

[@jovian304]

90% of who knows mbti hates 16p tests. Rest 10% are new to it

[@bellaeastwood4292]

The test isn’t meant to separate us or put us into categories. People have preferred cognitive functions that they feel more comfortable using and that’s what explains their behavior/personality. Our bottom functions show us our weaknesses but it certainly doesn’t mean we can’t use them or develop them. By being able to identify our bottom functions, we can target them and work on them. Thus making us healthier people and also more understanding of other peoples behavior. -ENTJ

[@fghsrgu1100]

Exactly. They totally ignored cognitive functions and just dichotomies. They ignore those 4 letters are just a secret code to get to your cognitive *preferences*

[@astal3204]

Unfortunatly, people misuse it and just end up putting people into categories.

[@500JM500]

Perfectly stated.

[@asiamies9153]

The big five is recommended if you want an actual test.

[@eileith98]

Wow your video was used as an example of a really poor argument against the Myers-Briggs test in my psychology class. RIP

[@jacoblau9355]

Its Vox. Never watched them before but now I understand why I don't.

[@kathymcdaniel9032]

🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍

[@lemons2300]

It's videos like this one that has left me the impression of this channel being sensational trash. The title alone is arrogance at its finest.

[@MissyFaye]

Haaaa ouch gg

[@dolfdervish8495]

Carl Jung? Psh. Weak. 😏

[@livjaho1983]

This topic was poorly researched - what a disappointment.

[@fayevibar7560]

Probably procrastinated too much before the deadline. Lol

[@anandsuralkar2947]

@@fayevibar7560 lol

[@conors4430]

Liv Jaho it’s actually completely accurate. It was made by people who knew nothing about evidence based research. Human mind is way too complex to fit neatly into categories and almost everyone who takes it twice get a different result. Even the child can tell that’s nothing to place meaning in

[@soggyRATUwU]

Conor S you should watch some of cs Joseph’s videos on KZbin. Mbti is very flawed but that is because the test is bad and how the results are portrayed are also bad. Cognitive function are way more accurate and logical. Each person has a personality type but the mbti test is not a very sound way to figure out yours. There are 8 cognitive functions and depending on the order you use them in determines your type. Each type is represented by 4 cognitive functions but everyone use all 8. The mbti test only tests your ego not the subconscious or unconscious parts of your mind. Cs Joseph has taken a lot of stuff from mbti as well as some things from socionics and psychology and made a much more accurate system with replicate-able results. The stereotypical “mbti” that everyone thinks of is heavily outdated and old and this is partially because jung died before finishing his work. So again I’d recommend watching cs Joseph.

[@freebeerishere]

it’s Vox

[@AdityaMohan93]

Perhaps then to a certain extent, mental health and depression are meaningless

[@intcastroblox7488]

This video completely ignores the more in-depth typology of Jung’s functions and the whole new dimension that presents. This video should really be called “why *online tests* are completely meaningless”

[@countergluttony]

I agree 100%. The problem is not the theory and methods of typology. The problem is online tests and the stereotypes. Its a mess that people judge MBTI fast and don't try to understand more than the tip of the iceberg

[@nadine366]

this isnt true.. they give you your result on a scale.. like for instance 80% intoverted 20% extroverted.. I took the test 2 years apart and got the same result with almost identical percentages.. and the discription of my "type" is so specific yet so accurate to me.. maybe its not super scientific but its not comparable to horoscopes lmao

[@kijahyeagher1334]

This video doesn't seem to take into account the amount of people who take the test incorrectly. Nobody will fit perfectly with any single 4 letter code. And that's the point. Everyone is different and that is a fact, and the MBTI doesn't try to change that.

[@elan825]

@@kijahyeagher1334 Yet the whole point of it is to divide people into 8-16 categories, isn't it? The test was not designed by scientists, has no supported scientific basis and the idea itself is rather simpleminded. If you really want to learn more about personalities, look into the Big 5 (OCEAN)! These five traits are reliable and measured on a scale - without dividing people into categories based on scoring beneath or above 50% in any given trait.

[@TheHighCooker]

@@elan825 The categories are just that, the important part is how your brain prefer to use the cognitive functions and for what purpose.

[@noelvarghese]

I took the test twice ,1 year apart. Got intp-t first, now its infp-t. But i do agree my personality has changed considerably. Also considering i am still in my teens. Infp explains me better now than intp, so i wouldn't blame the test though.

[@blueshattrick]

They said only 50% get a different result..

[@zeroterry000]

I find that the Myers-Briggs test is great for defining characters I write. It's an easy way to all of the incidentals straight if I'm dealing with a large cast of fictional characters.

[@michieldrost9396]

+Terry Sisler That's an interesting application of the test. You're a novel writer?

[@zeroterry000]

Nothing that cool. I write short stories mostly and I make a lot of D&D characters.

[@sammyfromsydney]

+Terry Sisler What you're saying without realizing it is that your characters fit narrow stereotypes.

[@kerog6]

syousef I think you have a point, but to be clear these are broad stereotypes. There is a lot of room for imagination within the Introvert/Extravert dichotomy, but that dichotomy is artificial and those categories are highly stereotypical.

[@zeroterry000]

+Brady McIntosh Yes, exactly. I use this as a loose guide, like a foot note that reminds me of the the character's more subtle details at a glance. I can't use the Myers-Briggs classifications to note a person's history or sexuality. And I didn't even mention my tenancy to make characters with clear exceptions to their type. It still baffles me when someone is so quick to make claims of "umm, no" from such a narrowly worded post.

[@user7-or]

Mbti changed my life in ways that whoever made this video will never understand

[@asiamies9153]

so you think

[@PoutineProductions]

“You couldn’t be a little bit of an extrovert or a little bit of an introvert” Then how come I become super outgoing, loud, and even a bit too much with friends in public? How come I become quiet, shy, and reserved when I am alone in public? It's hilarious, when I am around self-procalimed introverts, they all say I am an extrovert. When I with self-proclaimed extroverts, they think I am an introvert.

[@anjithaa4521]

❤

[@JdotCarver]

"Every single person was assigned only one possibility or another. You couldn’t be a little bit of an extrovert or a little bit of an introvert. BUT PEOPLE DON'T ACTUALLY WORK THAT WAY, so the results are unreliable." Please pay attention before expressing yourself. I doubt this is the first time this has happened to you. They weren't saying that being in the middle doesn't exist. They were criticizing the Test. The fact that it put you in one category or the other. Which is half right, because you have a letter assigned to you but it's really a "you're more of a..." assignment. Extroversion is a spectrum like many personality traits.

[@gloverelaxis]

"introvert" and "extrovert" aren't real things. human beings are not so simplistic. as you said, different contexts can radically change your behavior, which would mean changing your "type" according to these pseudoscientific taxonomies. they describe **nothing**

[@vazzaroth]

The paid test and company are absolute BS, but this video glosses over a TON of the real stuff that that drives the science behind the types. Don't get into MBTI, get into the cognitive functions behind the BS.

[@Vox]

+Vazzaroth You're right that it's worth taking a look at the science! What you'll find is that there are some other tests that have been shown to be more reliable, like the Five Factor model. www.vox.com/2014/7/15/5881947/myers-briggs-personality-test-meaningless So it's not that personality tests are wrong, but that this particular test is poorly designed and hasn't withstood evaluation

[@SefroJM]

+Vox The test and four dichotomy model are flawed and just barely better than a horoscope, I agree, but you completely left out the actual good part of the theory which is the cognitive functions (Ni/Ne, Fi/Fe, Ti/Te, Si/Se). There is nothing else in psychology that addresses the nature of thought in that way and it can indeed be used to make predictions about people, particularly about how they process information. Every time I see a video deriding MBTI it's about the dichotomies. Maybe people need to start describing themselves as Ni-Fe-Ti-Se instead of INFJ, etc.

[@NeurosisOsmosis]

+Vazzaroth There is no empirical basis for function theory. There is no science behind it. It is not testable or falsifiable. It is not even a centralized theory with clearly defined terms. Dichotomy-based typologies, such as the Big Five, are the only forms of personality typology that are accepted in the scientific community.

[@SpaceNavy90]

+Vox The Five Factor takes most of its design from the MBTI just so you know.

[@aqualus]

+Dev Hat Just because we haven't figured out how to adequately test personalities with "air-tight" science (due to countless number of variables that make any one person and individual personality) doesn't mean that theories derived from the scientific study of personalities is entirely dismiss-able. By that logic - the big bang theory, evolution, global warming, ... are all also dismiss-able being that they are also not entirely "not testable" or "falsifiable". Science doesn't always yield a 100% perfect solution, but that doesn't mean we have to discount anything that doesn't meet such a strict standard. Take a look at the research on how good the MB is at predicting effective relationships (from business to personal), career choices, etc. I think this supports the test/theory as a good predictor of human character ---> behavior. And the big five -- don't even get me started...

[@frozenboar6409]

If I said "according to vox" it would be pretty weak

[@jaypatel3100]

That guy pronounced Carl Jung's name as "young"

[@iincisif8599]

​@@jaypatel3100 xD

[@AL-se6oo]

@@jaypatel3100 Carl Jung is German, so Jung is pronounced as Yung.

[@ljhb48]

@@jaypatel3100 thats how you pronounce it lol

[@ljhb48]

@Gavin G. Gibson yeah, thats what i'd say too. not sure why i commented otherwise. h

[@Grayewick]

"Why the Myers-Briggs test is totally meaningless" Sure, in the assumption that personality can be absolutely quantified, which much like literally ANY OTHER personality tests, it cannot be. It does not take a genius to recognize this fact. Personality tests are not absolutes, they are attempts at quantifying personalities.

[@CountryFrenchyBoy]

It seems to me the author of the video had a very small understanding of the MBTI...

[@Username-tq7wh]

Vox: the test won't tell you you're selfish or lazy. INTP: hold my spiral

[@anshi5098]

:,)

[@carom4996]

me

[@josefbaldisimo5333]

*looks at 5 unfinished assignments*

[@ihavenothadmycoffee]

:')

[@denied5492]

Haha yea

[@YY-ml8lm]

"You can't take a test that'll tell you you're selfish, lazy or mean." Bruh deadass every test I take calls me arrogant, sit down (INTJ)

[@user-fh3gl2zc5i]

And bad at socialisation. Hello fellow intj

[@tyrunwilloughbyjr.8220]

Im an intj too, peoole telk me im lowkey arrogant🥱

[@thekebab1655]

Mały Czosnek intp. I’ve basically got what they said you can’t get (prob because they never bothered to see other things than results but anyways.)

[@sabihak9730]

is this comment an intj indicator? hi friends.

[@Cybersomnia]

Exactly, and my stereotypes can be even worse imo. People pleaser, push-over, servant, delusional, aloof, hypersensitive, depressing, non-grounded, out of touch, etc INFJ

[@Grizztina]

just say u hate ur results

[@asiamies9153]

wow you mad

[@MAjaLeahHB]

i don't think it's entirely meaningless. it depends on how you use the test. of course you can't predict who should be good at leading a team but as a tool for self discovery and reflection i think it's great for that

[@yazeedtawalbeh1878]

*you can't be called Selfish, lazy or mean* INTXs : Hold my beer

[@Loveforthem612]

Enxp's also lol

[@i.c.r9473]

As an INTX, I've been told this so many times irl and by tests that I have embraced it as a positive.

[@existentialcrisis2680]

Me and my best friend are both INTP and yeah we get called that all the time.

[@yazeedtawalbeh1878]

@@existentialcrisis2680 You didn't have to state your type, your username gives that away already lol

[@oblivious6915]

@@existentialcrisis2680 Same, they call me phlegmatic as well.

[@Incognit0777]

The Myers-Briggs test gives a general concept. A person is not 100% introverted or 100% extroverted. Neither are they 100% lost in thought or completely focused all the time. The test outlines some typical personality traits for a certain type. That's it. We all know that each person is unique and no person is 100% like the other.

[@albertboy2774]

a general concept applies to nearly everyone, so no matter what personality you get, you will always seem to agree with it, especially since it's all positive. Man the thick skulls people have. And I'm 13.

[@craiggrey3479]

Zak Your logic is very valid but if you did more research you’d realize that it’s not all positive, take a look into how they different Sub-Types effect people. Have you read any jung?

[@Alexander-xo5ho]

Yes i agree

[@albertboy2774]

What I mean by negative is something that somebody would not like to be as a person.

[@albertboy2774]

And then, they emphasise the positive and just lightly explain the negatives, That's the 16personalities test at least.

[@MH-hy2ot]

Why is everyone so offended by this video? Myers-Briggs is well regarded as pseudoscience by academics, get over it. Use the Big Five model, far more accurate.

[@sauce612]

Modern day horoscopes

[@jacqlinejennifer3568]

MTBI isn’t fixed. It’s been as a spectrum of your preference. It doesn’t measure skill or success just a tool to help you be more self aware in growth

[@leguminous7564]

It's not a spectrum. Look up MBTI cognitive function theory; your type is based off of the order in which you use each function. In other words, there's no such thing as "57% Introvert."

[@KingKunta_]

@@leguminous7564 As a 99% introvert... I disagree

[@leguminous7564]

@@KingKunta_ Social introvert ≠ MBTI introvert.

[@bdstudios6088]

@@leguminous7564 ok then, what we use nowadays is a combo of mbti and big5. because pure mbti is flawed

[@leguminous7564]

@@bdstudios6088 It's not a combo, it's literally just a Big 5 test that uses MBTI vocab for Big 5 concepts (i.e. in 16Personalities, Intuitive/Sensing is just Big 5's Openness). It uses absolutely none of MBTI's theory.

[@SirChocula]

Please start making videos with topics you actually have a clue about to begin with. I usually like your videos but this is utter bullshit and it's reflective in the misinformation you present. =shakes head in shame=

[@eviltree6779]

+SirChocula This channel is pure cancer

[@eviltree6779]

***** Not quite, you should learn more about it, this channel doesn't understand MBTI at all so I wouldn't listen to this. Its like a news paper journalist trying to explain neuroscience. Look, MBTI isn't saying "this is how the brain works" its attempting explaining certain functions the brain uses, OF COURSE IT GOES DEEPER, but there is a lot of truth to MBTI.... its actually quite interesting and has a lot of depth if you're willing to put in the effort. If a better model comes out, then lets see it. I see nothing wrong with this being used as a tool, which it is, and will remain being used those who understand its functions.

[@SirChocula]

Cory Chapman Well said Cory, thank you. People think MBTI is the end all/be all of personality. There are so much more deeper and intricate systems that blends itself along side MBTI that helps truly define you as a person. MBTI is merely a tool, a quite useful one at that which looks at the functions of how you process information, more or less.

[@NickaLah]

+0 Subscribers I majored in psychology... there was actually an entire course in my curriculum on personality and it's not meaningless, it's just a dated and imperfect theory.

[@finaltuned2755]

+Cory Chapman Yes, as people with piss poor understanding of the instrument who make money writing poorly researched cheap trash blog articles critiquing the MBTI don't know the first thing about typology and how it truly works. Every anti-MBTI article or video all have the same thing in common - they see it only as the 'letters' (which are merely indicators of preferences in the dichotomies) and not the cognitive functions, their orientation and order - which is what the typologies are really made of, therefore meaning that the MBTI is in-fact far more richer and in-depth than it's critics even realize. When it comes to the cognition aspect of the types, 'Psychological Types' by Jung is where it first originated in greater detail. He talks about each specifically in Chapter X. Gifts Differing by Myers and PU I & II by Keirsey both draw from that Chapter. Myers does not specifically mention any cognitive functions but she simply created a stir by contradicting Jung. Jung held that a functional stack goes _i-_i-_e-_e or _e-_e-_i-_i. Meaning that Jung would view an INTJ as being Ni-Ti and an ESFP as being Fe-Se. Myers decided that the auxiliary faces away from the primary which is how we got the current model. Whereas Keirsey doesn’t ascribe to the functions, he focused on the temperament. Personality Types: An Owners Manual by Lenore Thomson is more “Jungian” than any theorist that came after him. Builds off of what he said and sort of modernizes it. The Neuroscience of Personality by Dario Nardi is the most recent. He hooked an EEG to his student’s heads and correlated the test results to certain functions.

[@annabohatka8597]

They claim it is useless, yet there is clear negative feedback, and they didn't even mention the specificity of the cognitive functions. I hate it when people criticize an incredible (but yes, flawed) system and claim that it is pseudoscience when they know almost nothing about the system itself because they did not take the time to learn about it. *face palm*

[@bridgetgamingreal]

I mean.. its not only MBTI in typology. MBTI is arguably the worst system in typology. The other systems that take over jungs ideas and improve them is well of course, classic jungian functions and the far more consistent system Socionics. MBTI is basically a rip off from the big 5 with fancier levels and way worse predictive powers..

[@khaledyasser8293]

There is negative feedback because people who care a lot about the test will be offended and go to the comments to express it. People that never cared won’t go into the comments just to say “Oh I never cared about this”. KZbin comments aren’t a good measure of the usefulness of a personality test.

[@asiamies9153]

There is no scientific evidence. Face palm to you too

[@FatKat911]

So it's more of your opinion then. Rather having a proper rebut with your claim. So your point here?

[@ninahuang5388]

Well the I and E aren’t even about if ur “introverted” and “extroverted”, they determine the way your cognitive functions are... Maybe actually look into it before judging?

[@user-zh8zb6xs6i]

They were so determined to prove it wrong without knowing what theyre proving wrong.

[@nikonp5994]

It doesn’t make any difference

[@lukayaroslav9914]

@@nikonp5994 You should look into it first.

[@davs.ketchup]

Hey Vox, I love strawberry ice cream. But sometimes I buy chocolate instead. Doesn't mean strawberry ice cream suddenly isn't my favorite anymore.

[@HettesKvek]

You needed an online test to tell you that you prefer strawberry ice cream?

[@serbu4169]

You test if you like the ice cream by tasting it. You define yourself through questions. What kind of question is this?

[@serbu4169]

@eblman maybe they (online questionnaires) ask the questions we don’t normally ask?

[@rosaliebosma]

I love the creativity of this comment

[@Fakeslimshady]

Ice cream flavors are meaningless!

[@RazorTrap]

The fact that vox put INTP as a Manager in the pic is just hilarious.

[@heirihunziker]

And the ESFJ as the analyst... :D

[@aaronrashid2075]

That part was less accurate than the actual MBTI test

[@Obscurecloud123]

Thats what i noticed and had to go back to make sure 🤣🤣

[@slimemold4767]

@@heirihunziker THAT is hilarious

[@caffemocca8855]

I don't think they really meant it to fit. Anyway, do people really think INTPs can't be a manager and ESFJs can't be analyst? Seriously, this is one of many reasons why MBTI is so limiting and ironically makes this video somewhat true.

[@breyerhorsestudios2964]

“you couldn’t be more of an extrovert than an introvert” yes, you can. Research functions.

[@plumbedpeaches6719]

Why don't you just explain it if you know so much about it to use it as proof for something.

[@ridhafahmi9892]

I personally believe there more than 16 types. If Mbti gives an infj and you met an other infj both of them gonna fells 2 different people cuz they are everyone o one is same but that doesn't mean Mbti is wrong. This both infj will have same thing that they like but you can see 2 version of it. Now about how people is getting different results in different tests. It's because they don't know about themself (no offence). They have to find more about themselves.... And Mbti can actually helps you do that. This of it like sugar. You can drink tea without sugar but with sugar it's gonna be easier to drink but you put too much of it you messed up the tea

[@sugmintub]

Vox is interesting to watch, as long as you remember: It's for entertainment.

[@ethanklahn9799]

True. Their new articles are actually well researched and somewhat objective (they obviously have a left-leaning bias, but take it with a grain of salt), so it is unfortunate that whoever makes these videos tarnishes a good news source

[@justsomedudeiguess1746]

Ahhh i see what you did there

[@blackburnfamily7946]

exactly! LOL

[@disgusttt4087]

Lol

[@albertboy2774]

shots fired

[@RebekahParkhurst]

"There are thinkers and feelers" "people who prefer sensing over intuition" "every single person was assigned only one possibility or another" "It really only gives positive results" "the descriptions are vague" ...all of these statements are wrong. This tells me Vox has no idea what MBTI actually is, or how it works. While it's true there's an epidemic of the Forer effect, and some have used Meyers Briggs, distorted it, and created meaningless tests and personality descriptions that play into the Forer effect, it's so far removed from what Meyers Briggs is and teaches, that it's not fair to judge MBTI based on these. Starting from the top.. Everyone has every function. There are not "thinkers vs. feelers," "sensers vs. intuitives," or "introverts vs. extroverts." (a note on this, MBTI does not tell you whether you're an introvert or an extrovert - introversion and extroversion relate to the FUNCTION, not the person). The truth? EVERYONE is a thinker AND a feeler. Everyone uses sensing AND intuition. And everyone has introverted functions and extroverted functions. All MBTI tells you is which ones you prefer and tend to default to. "Every single person was assigned only one possibility or another" - wrong. As previously stated, everyone has every function. So there is not one possibility or one category you fit into. The four-letter types tell you which functions you tend to prefer, but there's no absolute category which defines you - people aren't robots. "It really only gives positive results" - Again, not true. In fact, there's neither positive nor negative implications in anything MBTI gives. It's completely neutral. A lot of the vague, silly descriptions that people have come up with for each type tend to highlight positive traits common to people of different types. But, the reality is, those positive traits apply to everyone, which again is where the Forer effect comes in. This is created by people taking MBTI and authoring type descriptions that are not in harmony with what the functions actually reveal. "The descriptions are vague" - Well, if you're speaking of some of the whimsical type descriptions found in a brief Google search, then sure. But, most of those don't speak for MBTI. A true understanding of MBTI would not give you a personality description. It would only give you a hierarchy of functions. Remember.. you're not your type. You're not your functions. You use functions, we all use functions. MBTI tells you which ones you tend to prefer, which gives insight into how a person observes the world, and makes decisions. Which is all MBTI is supposed to reveal.

[@the5thYearSeniors]

Rebekah Parkhurst very well said. You sound like an ENTP:-)

[@FuegoJaguar]

Okay but then why is it inconsistent?

[@juliannebooth3474]

Thanks for your sensible posting.

[@square6ix570]

You literally gave all the arguments for why MBTI is unnecessary yourself lol

[@TryNotToHate1]

I’ll agree, it’s counterproductive to assign a designation to anyone, in any category, as it’s categorically inconsistent. Therefore rendered redundant and USELESS. Lolol. Psychology is such a pseudoscience. However mainstream science offers it to be viable. Until aliens (or dogs) come and study us, it’s essentially only the science of self study.... therefore EXTREMELY flawed. Good luck humans! 😂🤣

[@idk-bp7eq]

Genuine question: have U heard of cognitive functions? Just wondering

[@IssyFishyy]

What about them?

[@gloverelaxis]

is this some other pseudoscience you're going to try to use to justify the first pseudoscience?

[@fghsrgu1100]

You literally don't even know about them and you are already trying to criticise it

[@silvestrediaz579]

The personality type is based on the order cognitive function, not the test. The way people express cognitive function is very consistent w the people I know. Therefore, I find the MBTI to be very reliable in finding out strengths and weaknesses in each type and how each can work together to accomplish/develope goals.

[@jademonass2954]

the video creator should really look at the comments

[@anshi5098]

At least they didnt disable the comments, that is scary.

[@RA-hs6ry]

as well as the "delete video" button

[@deepstariaenigmatica2601]

why cos they don't believe in your religion

[@inkman4703]

They probably won't since it seems they are stuck in this bubble of ignoring evidence and staying in la la land.

[@leguminous7564]

They really shouldn't, it looks like half the people here got their MBTI knowledge from 16Personalities.

[@ishuika]

“You couldn’t be a little bit of an extrovert or a little bit of an introvert” *Yes you can* 😤

[@mello4734]

Paimon pfp :0

[@rosaliebosma]

ikr, the discription for INFP literally says: the Mediator is the most extroverted introvert. So I guess that says a lot

[@ishuika]

@@rosaliebosma exactly

[@mnm1219]

@@rosaliebosma yeah i totally agree with this as an enfp. enfp type is just the opposite of what you said

[@audreykaker7736]

As an enfp I agree😂😂.

[@Bravo-Tango-7274]

I use it as self development And no the reason why it's popular is because people is being feel understood

[@jaker721]

as an IENSTFJP, i disagree

[@joshgiraud]

Classic misconception here. People tend to think the myers briggs types are like rigid labels that are trying to peg them down into some category. I hear this every time MBTI gets brought up. Thing is though, the 4 preference dichotomies are actually SCALES- which is why when you take the test you get percentages. So yea, you can definitely be a little bit introvert and a little bit extrovert (ambivert). For some people having a personality "type" feels limiting, but really all myers briggs tries to say is "here are some patterns of behavior that you probably sometimes personify," not the other way around where we think it's saying "these patterns of behavior ARE you." With that perspective MBTI doesn't have to feel limiting cause it's more of a starting point- a toolkit for understanding stuff about yourself. Kind of unfair of Vox to try to invalidate the whole entire theory just off of one misconception. I do agree it's not the most robust or nuanced theory out there- why it's mostly been abandoned by the professional psych community as the video pointed out, but for the average person it can still be pretty useful. Has been for me at least.

[@heretic-668]

+Life Notes Agreed. As a further frustrating note, the "Big Five" test the professional psych community has traditionally preferred is simply appalling - it actually classifies introversion as a negative trait that should be addressed. Head + Desk.

[@poposisa]

+Life Notes Yes. This video was painful to watch.

[@patrickangeles1245]

+Geoff Tuffli Hi! I was just wondering where it's raised that the "Big Five" test classifies introversion as negative? Not trying to be inflammatory; just genuinely curious. I majored in psychology and neither my professor nor the resources we were given ever mentioned introversion as negative. Thanks!

[@brandonf6174]

+Louis Angeles I'd like to know that, too

[@ToStand2]

+Life Notes yeah, they suck, it's like : "dont put me into a box, i'm much more complicated than that" => oh really ? we can describe a person physically, we can describe a person mentally, period, ... for god's sake... i should'nt even have to state the obvious

[@zari5972]

I have remained the same type since high school, that was 10 years ago.

[@maja2393]

You can't change types

[@efmusic04]

@@maja2393 Your type can change but that means your original type was a mask over your new one usually.

[@4MXW]

Me: ... My evil me: "You're doing it wrong."

[@TOXICTRIFORCE]

Same

[@Halvale]

I have different one every time I take the test. And I have no idea why. That's why I started to think this test might be pointless.

[@Jinryuushi]

Saying that it's "totally meaningless" is wrong. Yes, it doesn't have much predictive power, yes, it's not sufficiently reliable, yes, it… but saying that it's "totally meaningless" is simply wrong.

[@Hadenufyet]

Nothing wrong with self discovery

[@choloe]

Okay but *ever heard of cognitive functions?* The whole thing with "are you Introverted or Extraverted, Intuitive or a Sensor, etc," is BS. If you look back in history, Jung didn't use letter dichotomy as one would put it, he used cognitive functions.

[@shady490]

Thank you!!! I believe in the 16 personalities but NOT in MBTI. Cognitive functions show the complexity we all have, while Myers-Briggs tries to group you in one single category. The amount of people thinking they’re INFPs because they like poetry or INTJ/INTP because they’re socially awkward and think a lot is annoying and may mislead them into believing something wrong about themsleves.

[@shreyaadahall]

@@shady490 yep.. I'm an infp and I'm not a poet or an artist(I do love them tho)... But I love dancing and I took engineering ... But the way I function is accurately infp and I've been getting the same result for years ever since the first time I took it.

[@insightfultoaster2965]

@@shreyaadahall I can relate to you very well. Im INFP but I don't have any artistic talent.

[@ArturKorotin]

Channels on KZbin that talk about the Meyers Briggs typology in real depth also discuss these functions. The test is actually too simplistic and isn't the best indicator for the typology as you can have people who technically fall in the same letter category yet have a different balance of these cognitive functionings. There is much more variety to this system than the test implies.

[@Cybersomnia]

Exactly, and they seem to have no idea how the letters even play into decoding them. They seem to think E/I is about being a party-goer or book worm, and J/P means your room is clean vs messy...no effort put into this at all...

[@tk-1197]

"the test will only tell you positive things, never that you're lazy, arrogant or selfish." laughs in ISTP

[@Lea-ov8vq]

laughs in INTP

[@line.mp3554]

ENTJs:

[@localabsurdist6661]

Laughs in Intj too

[@anahitamirzarazi4424]

Entps except we take this as a compliment

[@nikkid7963]

Laughs in INFJ, I’m beyond messed up. My function stack makes that clear. However, if I look at the test results I’m a mystical unicorn. Which, we all know isn’t true. The tests I’ll admit are not accurate. However, that doesn’t mean the cognitive functions within mbti are wrong. This video, does zero actual research.

[@vanidiana]

Say what you want, but it helps me finding my true self nicely. For someone who comes from a toxic environment and never got anyone to help you understand who you are since childhood, this really helps me find my ground.

[@Undefinedde]

It doesn't help me one bit it doesn't help me connect to my emotions and feelings and what they are

[@shauncarney6838]

Nothing you said was factual surprisingly.

[@IssyFishyy]

Everything they said WAS factual. You simply have what we call cognitive dissonance.

[@BhlackBishop]

@@IssyFishyy They literally said "The only thing mbti is good for is entertainment" That is objectively false.

[@IssyFishyy]

@@BhlackBishop Actually, it is objectively true, considering the arguments that debunk MBTI are pretty much ubiquitous.

[@asiamies9153]

@@BhlackBishop No, that's actually what the research points to

[@MaurizioAdamo]

Dear Vox, you should think about hiring some of the commenters I read here. Maybe you will improve the content of your videos.

[@duskyracer8800]

They jumped into a subject that they do not know

[@tracetrace2147]

I like MBTI, but I don't agree to make it for separating and hiring employees. I get INTP at first, then INTJ, then ISFJ, and then ENTP, and then INFJ. The unconsistency is high and people can be only slightly thinker or feeler.

[@qzwxs58]

Vox is left wing. Very left wing. Figures.

[@skadi6750]

@@tracetrace2147 Well, its still much more useful way to spend the interview than regular employer questions like: "Why do you want to work for us?" Or "Describe your dream job."

[@RaimonTarou]

@Shin i agree. usually the ones who keep getting different results are sensors/feelers cuz they answer questions based on mood instead of rational thought.

[@hayleymarse2853]

This video completely missed the idea behind MBTI. Vox is describing the free online tests. The actual test is accurate. It doesn’t limit people to one box but rather describes how they use cognitive functions. As an example of this, I have been described by my mother who has never heard of MBTI as highly intuitive, sensitive, good at reading people, etc. When I took the test I went in blindly and I got INFJ and I started to research a lot about it and it actually is creepily accurate. Since then I’ve been able to type my friends based on how they act and I can usually guess what they are going to pick based on their personality type. It isn’t supposed to limit you but rather help you understand yourself better. Since discover MBTI I’ve learned that I’m not a freak and I’m actually completely normal, just more on the sensitive side.

[@sanjaymadan8143]

Sensitive or Judgement ?..🤔

[@hayleymarse2853]

Sanjay Madan huh?

[@darkside4566]

is it only me? or does anyone Also thinks that INFJ isn't rare as the internet says

[@hayleymarse2853]

Dark Side actually INFJ’s ARE really rare however a lot of people get mistyped as INFJ’s when they take internet tests. Most people who claim to be INFJ’s probably aren’t.

[@darkside4566]

@@hayleymarse2853 btw have you ever met someone with INFJ personality in flesh?

[@zapdog_]

Regardless if MBTI is pseudoscience or not, it’s a terrible idea to group people into categories based on a personality test.

[@Bnio]

It's adjacent to phrenology and racism, but with a veneer of objective science. I hate it. Because it's just an excuse to further dismiss human potential by labeling people.

[@coleeatz2066]

I'm an intp and I agree with your reasons but it goes much more in depth than 4 letters

[@fionaatieno1535]

This video is totally meaningless...

[@bullrun2772]

Yay this video is kind ridiculous

[@hackhenk]

Your comment, however, is so full of meaning!

[@IAmAwesomeSoAreYou]

You’re meaningless

[@fionaatieno1535]

@@IAmAwesomeSoAreYou meaning?

[@bullrun2772]

@@fionaatieno1535 I agree with you

[@Drobium77]

I do the test every six moths or so, and always end up as INFJ and it fits me to a tee. I can understand how the world can change a person's personality , but we all have set traits

[@myothersoul1953]

You do the test all the time so you know that answers that will land at you at INFJ. Look up demand characteristics.

[@Drobium77]

No, I answer truthfully with myself. I'm not out to prove anything, and I use different sites, with different questions and scenarios. And 2twice per year at most is not 'all the time'

[@myothersoul1953]

"truthfully with myself" is the problem with the test, it's subjective. It's results maybe be reliable but it's external validity isn't being verified.

[@Drobium77]

why does matter, so long as you are happy with it, and it fits? that's human nature

[@myothersoul1953]

That's fine if it is just used to make you happy. The danger is when someone tries to use it for something that affects the lives of others, like hiring decisions. Besides accepting things without critical thought is a big problem, it leads to prejudice, superstition, susceptibility to fraud and other bad things.

[@naomizmiti]

The test doesn't tell me exactly who I am because I'm a complex being. But it helps for sure. It also helps me plan my characters 😊

[@Billy_Hughes]

you didn't even mention cognitive functions, i thought i didn't like vox now its another level

[@IssyFishyy]

Why do you bring up the cognitive functions as if they have any validity either? Truth is, there are no peer reviewed academic journals that are published regarding the cognitive functions.

[@lucticide]

@@IssyFishyy whatever you say, the cognitive functions do exist. there’s a big difference in introverted feeling and extrovert feeling, extroverted sensing and introverted thinking etc. and it’s not like MBTI is doing anyone any harm, except for those who use it wrongly. take the wrong medicine, and it becomes poison.

[@otakugirl2128]

@@lucticide Exactly

[@IssyFishyy]

@@lucticide “the cognitive functions do exist” -Prove it. “it’s not like MBTI can do any harm” -It can, it makes people pay for a test that gives you false results.

[@dotdot550]

@@IssyFishyy as someone who does “believe” in the cognitive functions and the theories, I don’t like the tests either. Many people don’t recommend the tests at all, even the cognitive functions tests. It’s much better to do self-reflection and doing deep research on the theories. Not to mention, the tests almost always type people based on behaviors but not how one perceives the world/ makes decisions/ and overall, how their brains work. There’s a lot of misinformation and just blatantly wrong information on the cognitive functions and types on the internet, which is why there is a stigma around it. Not many people realize that the 16 types aren’t really about ones personality based on their behaviors, but their cognition processes.

[@karidesana8977]

Okay but the test does give you percentages like 41% extraverted-59% introverted etc..

[@sharoberry9874]

That’s just the 16personalities test which personally I don’t rely on because, like this video, they don’t mention the 8 cognitive functions at all

[@leguminous7564]

Accurate MBTI tests that rely on cognitive function theory do not give percentages, bc in MBTI theory each letter pairing is not a spectrum. It's based off of which functions you use the most to least.

[@alexanderreichenfeld6859]

Yeah which would land you with an i, and only an i with no hint to the 41% that should be an E

[@darkelectrick]

What are the 8 cognitive functions and why is it so important to you ? Just questioning im a bit new at this

[@rajarshibanerjee5460]

So you are saying it's like this channel: just for entertainment

[@user-fm4dd6sx3i]

Underrated 😂

[@llucena7156]

nah, mbti is good on the other hand

[@rayesafan9628]

Lololol

[@pratikshabaruah3105]

rooaassst

[@iTiM50]

ROASTED

[@Tiffany-bd1eb]

While the use of Myers-Briggs in a professional setting is rightly controversial, I don't think it's comparable to astrology. Astrology is PREscriptive and MBTI is DEscriptive. For astrology, you give a fact about yourself and it tells you something completely unrelated. MBTI tells you literally whatever you tell it. If in x number of years, your personality changes, then your type changes.

[@miguelfelipedias]

I feel like whoever wrote this script has never felt detached in life, cause MBTI helped me so much with that, after I took the test and got INTJ, it opened a whole new world of people similar to me, that have the same traits and all of that. I started feeling much better and less detached.

[@asiamies9153]

Many have the feel that horoscope tests have helped them and there is nothing wrong with that but it is not to be taken seriously as a scientific test

[@valerieisms]

The way they don’t even mention cognitive functions 😁😁😁

[@CleverTailedVixen]

Exactly

[@maria-zm4bo]

EXACTLY LOOOOL

[@krispycorazon707]

Fr at the end of the video i was like... I see your point but... that’s it? To throw such a bold claim with very little points isn’t that big of an influence

[@aesthetics9411]

Such low test-retest reliability shows pretty clearly that the test is bad. Furthermore, the fact that the test uses categories instead of dimensions is also very debatable. If you want to do a personality test, I recommend the HEXACO test (highly reputable, making it the standard in almost all personality research).

[@ThreeUnremarkableWords]

I know right! That's when it becomes interesting, when looking beyond behaviour, and into cognition. But well, Myers briggs doesn't test that, and cognition is hard to type.

[@paulpeterson4216]

1) "You couldn't be a little bit of an extrovert or a little bit of an introvert." That's simply false. Each type is assigned a percentage, it is on a continuum. All classification schemes have to draw lines somewhere. 2) 50% of people got different results. Yes, so what? There is a huge likelihood that if they took the test 100 times they would wind up with one of those two original results upwards of 75% of the time and one of 3 or 4 results 95% of the time. A large fraction of the population will be borderline between two sub-types. Again, classification schemes have to draw lines somewhere. 3) "The test fails to predict success in certain jobs." Now, ask yourself, is this the fault of the test, or is it a problem with the people who use the test? I'd suggest that the people who use the test are being simplistic, and have no idea how an individual with a particular personality type would apply his/her strengths to accomplishing the assigned job. 4) "It really only gives positive results." What would a negative result be? That you don't have a personality? The test does tend to be accepting of various different personalities and doesn't make value judgments? Do the authors of this video believe that certain personality types (well-defined or not) have moral superiority over other types? Gee, let's categorize something as using a pseudo-scientific term like "the Forer Effect" and lump it in with astrology to use the guilt by association fallacy. Here's to pseudoscience! 5) "Human personalities are really complicated." No Duh there! Do the authors of the video believe that there is no difference between an introvert and an extrovert? Or is it just to complicated? Yes, defining personality types along 4 axes is probably an oversimplification; however, that does not mean that it is wrong. We categorize our days into morning, afternoon, evening and night; however, they are not all the same length. one shades into the other and frequently people will have significantly different definitions of what each time period means. However, let's say I tell you "I will contact you tomorrow evening." You don't know precisely what I mean by "evening" and I don't know precisely what you understand "evening" to be, but I'm pretty sure neither of us expect it to mean 7:00 in the morning. 6) Words like "Introvert" and "Extrovert" or "Thinker" and "Feeler" have meanings, even if those meanings can not be mathematically defined the way words like "Mass," "Acceleration" or "Force" can be defined. Meyers-Briggs gives a basis for understanding personalities that differ along a continuum. If it didn't appreciate that there was a continuum there would be 4 questions, not 93. It is easy to reject ANYTHING that is not a hard science on the basis of our not being able to adequately define terms; however, on that basis you may as well reject all of psychology, history, economics, literature, political science or any other "soft" science or humanity.

[@sirmryazza]

Was going to type the exact same thing

[@JaketheBakedSsnake]

INTP?

[@paulpeterson4216]

Yes, INTP. See, it works. Though on movie night I'm IMDb.

[@darhemandarial4768]

-GREAT-

[@DEMIGOD-yc1bm]

+Paul Peterson Also, that IMDB thing is GOLD

[@brendan5235]

Vox is like that one pseudo-intellectual kid in your Psychology class that thinks he knows everything about the psyche because he once did an internship at a clinic

[@Coconut_Prrson]

This people forget that in the mbti, you don't tend to do something because of your personality. You have X personality because you tend to do something. And not all personalities are the same. That's why the personality database has so many different options like ennagrams and stuff

[@Cobalt985]

Yes, MBTI is the wrong way to look at personality because your personality is the the habits and thought patterns you form through external or internal influences, and can change over time, and honestly kinda should. Personally I find it funny that the MBTI, or at least the pop version of it, presents me quite a notable amount of my ADHD symptoms as if those are a personality. People will often do the whole self-fulfilling prophecy thing with the MBTI and never work on certain qualities of themselves because it's "just their personality".

[@nicjfrancis]

First KZbin video I have ever seen where the comments are more intelligent and spot on than the actual video.

[@bellastenstrom2598]

Nicholas Joseph-Francis SO TRUE!!!

[@codybassett112]

Nicholas Joseph-Francis I can give quite a few videos as such

[@TheKirschbaumfee]

Nicholas Joseph-Francis that sais more about you than about the video

[@rory9718]

true

[@TheStickyKey]

You don't watch a lot of KZbin do you

[@UnsuspectingCommenterPassingBy]

Of course it seems pretty meaningless when you did your “research” just by reading the 16Personalities descriptions, a Wikipedia article about the MBTI, and the next 6 results that came underneath them.

[@quwyn6192]

Frrr 💀

[@akiotk6440]

Even the wikipedia article talks about cognitive functions smh

[@QuantumSorceress]

Have you really done your research? It was created by two housewives who had no background in psychology. Why are you defending PSEUDO SCIENCE?

[@lolkayleen2757]

Exactly!!!

[@Astranoire]

I don't hate Myers-Briggs model, I just hate the people who are always obsessing over MBTI. They are always too soon to judge and shallow in doing it. Before you judge someone, just engage with them socially. It's not seldom to hear some of them say: "Oh he said he's an INFP but he acts like an ISTP" Why? Because MBTI is pretty meaningless. Not to mention it can fuel their superiority and be an excuse to look down on others.

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

It's like a Power, can be used as both Good and Bad Things

[@legacy7381]

This 'meaningless' test turned my life around and allowed me to realise I'm not just a freak of nature

[@Sh1vashish]

How ?

[@BlackCat-qr6gy]

These comments are amazing 💀

[@kant12]

Eh? The test is just a loose categorization of some personality traits. You're given a percentage in each trait so it's where you fit on a the spectrum not a hard line category like you guys are suggesting. This video seems like B.S. What employer uses it exactly? I've never heard of that happening before. What would be meaningless is if someone asked me to summarize my personality I said 'oh you know personality is too hard to define and everyone is unique and special so I can't give you an answer'.

[@sammyfromsydney]

+kant As a recent university graduate a large firm known internationally for consulting used it on me and an entire intake of graduates in 1998. So yes it does get used.

[@kant12]

syousef One unknown company from 17 years ago? OK.

[@kant12]

Benjamin Southern You're making a pretty big leap if you're also implying that it's used as some key determining factor to be hired by many companies.

[@LittleTed1000]

kant Worse than that, if the company is in the USA it's illegal as per Karraker v. Rent-A-Center Inc. Using pseudoscience to vet employees is not ok.

[@benjaminsouthern6673]

It's not pseudoscience... And if you got that expression from the video then I would have to inform you that the video is full of SHIT www.cognitiveprocesses.com/

[@eliasapollo4131]

*cough* cognitive functions

[@sjoerdios1]

The cognitive functions are derived from your preferences and not the other way around. Therefore the cognitive functions are just as fluid as your preferences.

[@Ignasimp]

@@sjoerdios1 define "preferences"

[@Ignasimp]

@@sjoerdios1 cognitive functions are not fluid. I can recall using my introverted thinking more than any other during all my life.

[@winter-wb7cf]

Sjoerd you can develop all of your functions but you can never switch. If you’re an INFJ you can never suddenly have ni as your weakness. It doesn’t make sense. You can be AMAZING at using your se but that’s not who you’ve always been or what your mind instantly goes to.

[@lostteddybear9393]

Shhh! You'll scare the MBTI practitioners off! Functions are too hard, they don't teach them to the students -- that's for, like, somebody fancy, or something.

[@Cristhian318]

I don't think it's totally meaningless, but thinking about it as something really important probably is.

[@mara721]

please for the love of god do your research and get educated on a subject before calling it "meaningless" and making a video on it. you're only embarassing yourself.

[@IssyFishyy]

That's funny coming from the person who didn't do research as well. Pot calling the kettle black much?

[@ananya1721]

I decided to test the authenticity of this test. So I've taken it 4 times over 3 years and always got the same result , INTJ. No, I don't have eidetic memory and had forgotten the questions each time I took the test.

[@Kevin-et5zs]

Me too. So at least it's consistent!

[@dominikazaremba4151]

and it is in accordance to the research they mentioned - 50% of people get different classification over time, so you are just in other 50%

[@MJAY-N7129]

Hello, I am an INTJ-A.

[@valien4142]

i took the test several times because i was curious whether or not i would get different results based on how i felt. i got intj-a the first time i took it but i thought it might change if i was say really emotionally distressed so i took it when i was and got intj-t. i also took it again several months later while in the middle of a depressive episode and got intj-t again so i think its fairly consistent.

[@MJAY-N7129]

@@valien4142 this is a really smart idea and I admire the consistency and consideration. I will definitely give this a try.

[@LegendaryKazooMann1936]

"You can only be one and not the other" Y e a h t h a t s w h y i t s a s p e c t r u m

[@eliasromero2429]

Spectrums are the exact oposite of that, being one or the other is like saying either red or yellow, an spectrum uses every single shade of orange

[@benaliend]

@@eliasromero2429 But Myers-Briggs test do have percentages that shows how much we inclined to one specific sector (example like 40% introverted 60% extroverted) it's not actually absolute

[@tubesomething]

@@benaliend True, and then by reducing the more complex output to a small number of paired categories, it forces a skewed, absolutist, (even more) wrong view of the individual.

[@dinkin_flicka14]

I don't know about "being only one" I took this test thrice and I got three different results. First one INFJ and INFP and then INTP and I could relate to all these personalities so I don't know which one do I belong to? What should I do?

[@LegendaryKazooMann1936]

@@dinkin_flicka14 Maybe try looking into characters of those different types to see how the characteristics of different types look from a different perspective? Just an idea. Also, maybe think about how you are feeling and what mood you are in when you take the test. Also remember that as my comment poked at, the test is more of a spectrum. You could have qualifies of an INFP while technically being a INTP because you might not be too far to one side on the thinking/feeling section.

[@Coneman3]

The irony of attempting to refute a theory with no proper understanding or research .

[@asiamies9153]

There is no need to refute the theory when it was never even backed by science. Please do share the proper "understanding" and "research"

[@MrDroid0518]

So you made an educational video on something you don't even understand good job guys

[@IssyFishyy]

Do you, though?

[@MrDroid0518]

@@IssyFishyy understand mbti yes

[@djhallmighty]

If you don't know what "cognitive functions" are, then you have no authority to make a video like this. Nuff said.

[@IssyFishyy]

If you don’t know that the cognitive functions aren’t even used by modern psychologists today, then you have no authority to make a comment regarding this topic.

[@Leonhart_93]

@@IssyFishyy Sure, but no one says exactly why they don't use it. I think it's very simple. Since it's a cognitive personality test, other personality typing like OCEAN might be better suited for their needs. That is not to say that MBTI doesn't work, the fact that it thought me I am an Introverted Intuition dominant and what that means changed my life completely. However two persons with the exact same personality can still behave totally different. To paint the full picture of a personality you will need many different personality tests at the same time like MBTI, OCEAN, enneagram, alignment etc.

[@bdstudios6088]

@@Leonhart_93 yeah. the idea of throwing out a valid theory completely just doesn’t make sense and I’m glad people are not abandoning MBTI. that said I understand its limitations in scientific use

[@ETBrooD]

@@bdstudios6088 If anything, people should be commended for using MBTI if that gets them away from **shudders** horoscopes. It can certainly be considered progress. That is unless MBTI is being used to decide over job applications and career choices, that's not ok.

[@otterzrkuhl]

IssyFishyy but cognitive functions are a large part of the topic of the video?

[@user-xe3xo4iz7e]

Honestly Myers Briggs kinda helped me cause I used to think I was weird but turns out I'm an INFP and people like me exist and I don't have to change myself...

[@sagenberg3918]

I used to think I am sick or psychologically ill or something. Turns out I am an INFP and I'm not the only one that feels this way

[@itzgamerwolf5899]

Same here. I recently found out I was an INFP-T and started researching it and I found out why I always seemed like an outsider compared to other people my age.

[@manayeager1384]

We INFPs should built a community or something.

[@vanessasperling]

@@manayeager1384 so true . . . And I’ve never known one INFP that wasn’t so relieved when they discovered MBTi.

[@spiritualsnail1584]

@@manayeager1384 We're already all over the internet with INTPs, INFJs, and INTJs lol

[@rachelmartina1851]

I studied cognitive functions, and the result of my MBTI test was always INFP based on the result of cognitive functions analysis. But I don't always relate to fellow INFPs or their thoughts, let alone INFPs stereotypes. I think it's better for us to be ourselves than to label ourselves with any personality types, because by not labeling ourselves, we set ourselves free.

[@FatKat911]

Fr fr

[@alexaguilera2252]

The Myers-Briggs doesn't give you a randomly generated personality that is intentionally overtly vague like horoscopes. You take a test which measures how you fit into specific criterium and then you're given a description of that personality type which includes both positives and negatives. It doesn't tell someone that they are "just" thinking or "just" feeling like this video indicates. It gives you a percentage of those traits and tells you where you fit on a continuum between the two. It indicates that you could be dominantly thinking, but that you are feeling to a lesser degree and it acknowledges how that can impact you. I agree that what makes someone who they are is far too complicated to be neatly organized into one of sixteen possibilities, but at the very least, the Myers-Briggs test is helpful for determining where you fall on the continuum between certain categories of behavior and it can be helpful in assisting individuals with acknowledging their shortcomings. It can be used for self-growth, but it shouldn't be relied upon.

[@IssyFishyy]

Yeah, it gives people spectrums, much like the Big Five. But that doesn't really make it any more reliable. Myers Briggs is not useful for self growth, it's like D tier at best. For many reasons such as not having a defined term for each cognitive functions (I mean the community can't even agree on a single definition), not taking neuroticism into account, as well as having inconsistent results for test takers. Try the Big Five since it takes neuroticism into account and has more consistent results.

[@alexaguilera2252]

@@IssyFishyy Why and how the test results change are just as important as the fact that they change. In the study you’re referring to, that 50% figure they arrived at was determined if test takers received a different result on one or more categories. This means that someone could have been an INFJ and now they are an ENFJ. Hardly a major change. When you take into consideration that our identities are not static, but rather, who we are changes every day, this is even more forgivable and perhaps reflects more on the changes of the individual and their temperament when taking the test than the accuracy of the test itself. If anything, that would serve as evidence that the test is accurate in that it changes in accordance with the changes of the individual. It adapts as we do and provides answers that are congruent with who we are in the moment, not who we were or who we will be. With that being taken into consideration, in relation to how it is currently used by employers and even individuals, this data needs to be accounted for. In both instances, taking the test multiple times at different intervals would allow the user to realize what temperaments they fluctuate between and thus determine which characteristics of their personality are stable, and which are suspect to change relative to their mood or events that are occurring in their lives. This would help employers to more accurately determine which positions would be good fits for their employees, and it would allow individuals to better understand and develop themselves. I'll look into the Big Five, though. I do appreciate your input.

[@IssyFishyy]

@@alexaguilera2252 That is not what i meant. I absolutely think that types change, neuroplasticity is a thing. However, Myers Briggs results tend to be mercurial, and change faster than the usual varying rate. No, INFJ and ENFJ is definitely a major change, considering they change in multiple function stacks. I don't think you know about them either. No, telling employees to take a pseudoscientific test to determine where they would work in is absolutely atrocious. one, Myers Briggs doesn't tell anything about your skills, two, it is inaccurate, and three, that's just limiting their freedom.