Why the Term Eastern Catholic is Kinda Useless

[@jperez7893]

nice presentation. you are correct that rome resisted and denied canons creating new patriarchates because the 3 existing patriarchates were all petrine: rome, antioch, and alexandria. although the pope has universal jurisdiction, as far as his patriarchal territory is concerned, he had the jurisdiction over the western roman empire, which included the northern territories, the old territories of carthage, illyria, and greece. while antioch had jurisdiction over asia, cyprus, syria palestina, and magna grecia. while alexandria was given jurisdiction over all of africa, cyrenica, egypt, nubia, and ethiopia. it's also true what you said that rome recognizes and and mandates the preservation and use of the ancient rites of the historic churches. the maronites and st. thomas christians are the only non-latins that never broke from rome. the maronites should work with the chaldeans, and even non-catholics to propagate and preserve the aramaic language. it is comforting to see that the chaldean catholics are flourishing in numbers in spite of the persecutions they are enduring, and the maronites are also healthy in numbers. what is sad is the persecution the palestinian christians are enduring in the holy land. the choice between the muslims and israelis is a false dichotomy. when the christians are removed, that is when we see more suffering in an area. only jesus can bring peace through his followers the term eastern catholics was just a shorthand, also partially because most of the non-catholic rites, resides, correctly in the eastern roman empire.the maronites had a special closeness to rome and you are correct that it should not swing to the byzantines either, because they are uniquely maronite catholics. they are closer to the chaldeans and malabar and st. thomas catholics simply because of a common jurisdictional division of the ancient see of antioch.

[@twofoolsforchrist]

A fair summary of what was discussed!

[@forehead949]

Good video. It reminds me of Tim Flanders video on the Greek schisms.

[@forehead949]

Do you have any advice for where I can find info on the early eastern rites and when they all adopted the Byzantine rite?

[@twofoolsforchrist]

So the ancient Eastern rites still exist thank God and the Catholic Church uses them all! I will do a video on this later on but if you want to read now I will summarise it like this. The Byzantine Rite predominantly uses the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. They use the liturgy of St. Basil about ten times a year and the liturgy of St. James only twice a year. The Coptic Rite uses the liturgy of St. Basil most often, but they also use the liturgy of St. Gregory Nazianzus and St. Cyril of Alexandria. The West Syriac Rite (Maronites, Syriac Catholics, Syro Malabar) use the liturgy of St. James (the oldest liturgy we possess). The East Syriac rite most often use the anaphora (offertory prayer/Eucharistic prayer) of Saints Addai and Mari, but they also have the anaphora of Nertorius and Theodore of Mopsuestia. In the West the other liturgies are more commonly known beyond the Roman Rite, which include the Mozarabic Rite, Ambrosian Rite, Sarum Rite, Gallic rite, and then the various religious orders like the Carthusian Rite, Dominican Rite, Rite of the Holy Sepulchure (once used by Carmelites) and many others.

[@forehead949]

@@twofoolsforchrist awesome. Thank you. I’m also interested in evolution with it eastern liturgies if you have any info.

[@twofoolsforchrist]

That’s a hard one that I haven’t fully mastered so what I say won’t be that useful. If I ever come to greater understanding I will make a video!

[@Nigsisosnon]

@@twofoolsforchrist correction syro Malankara uses the west syriac rite but syro Malabar as well as chaldeans use the east syriac rite

[@twofoolsforchrist]

You are right, thank you for that correction!