Why the US Can't (and Maybe Shouldn't) Quit Nuclear Power

California's last nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, was scheduled to close by 2025. But now it might stay open, thanks in part to a campaign by nuclear power advocates who argue that keeping it online is key to staving off climate change. VICE News/Keegan Hamilton looks at how the battle over nuclear power is shaping the future of climate.
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[@skellymom]

"We had blackouts all the time." Doesn't think about people on life support and others who rely on electricity for their very lives. Backup generators only help for so long and some don't in have access to them. Having constant blackouts will set back society as well. I think she's romanticizing the past.

[@markb8426]

I think she’s literally demented.

[@demoniack81]

She's romanticizing her youth.

[@dipsuny]

She’s a “back in my day boomer”

[@southaussielad2496]

She sounds exactly like my Mum. There's no reasoning with people like this.

[@jessicah3450]

Just use those diesel backup generators 🙄

[@360sblulev]

its quite sad that were in a climate crisis and instead of ramping up nuclear in every aspect we can, we are thinking about quitting it. the tittle of this video truly shows the sad state of affairs in regards to the nuclear industry.

[@zeitgeistx5239]

It’s called being a white NIMBY. We can’t even build high voltage transmission lines for wind energy. NIMBY in the Hampton got Congress to kill offshore wind near Long Island. America is cucked.

[@MS-tc2fs]

🍏🍏A percentage of nuclear waste is repurposed as ‘Depleted Uranium’ and used to contaminate poor countries during wars, thus slowly depopulating regions rich in natural resources (oil). A far better renewable energy alternative would be geothermal power sources.

[@traceyxxrose7454]

Geothermal can’t be used everywhere. Hell, it can’t even be used in most areas. There needs to be a very specific set of criteria met,: some being the crust width in that area and wether or not it’s near a fissure.

[@roddy116]

@@MS-tc2fs Nevada and Idaho are foreign countries? That’s where waste goes.

[@Keepskatin]

@@traceyxxrose7454 Simple mind,. The key is to use varies renewable cleaner energies, not just one. Solar works great in regions that get lots of sun. Wind is the dominant power in Argentina. You low IQ, non critical thinking people disgust me.

[@EricMeyer9]

Could you imagine being a nurse in a NICU, taking care of tiny babies that require all sorts of equipment to stay alive, and hearing the anti-nuclear lady say "a blackout every few days isn't a big deal, use flashlights" ? 🤦

[@RB-wv5wh]

Hospitals have backup temporary power lol, otherwise every time the power goes out people on life support would die

[@WePair_]

Yeah, but not a on a weekly basis. Cause that's what will happen if you don't got an energy source that can sufficiently supply your base load for the energy grid. Happy dying!

[@EricMeyer9]

@@RB-wv5wh hope they have a lot of diesel stored up

[@maxcarren112]

It's an utterly crazy thing to say, especially given that she's had 40 years to come up with something better. The nuclear waste "problem" she mentions is also a big fat nothing. You just bury it, problem solved. What is it going to do, run away? People like her are why we still don't have a permanent nuclear waste facility in the U.S. She's built her entire personality for 40 years around being anti nuclear without doing the most basic of research on it.

[@samgrace3868]

@@RB-wv5wh that old ass lady is also rich living on the cali coast and has a generator with enough fuel. She obviously thinks the minimum wage worker can afford to let the food in their fridge rot and she should be happy! Cold War, capitalism brain rot to the core :)

[@Thebreakdownshow1]

This. a great example of when news media sensationalizing things for decades turns people off from the idea of great technology

[@Nastiazik]

Hi, I'm from Russia, Moscow 🇷🇺 and I also run a KZbin channel where I shoot about politics and history. I would be interested to hear your opinion about my activities

[@clarkkent9080]

How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@coolbluereview]

Just like with Self-Driving Vehicles.

[@ReclusiveEagle]

Oh yes definitely the media's fault and not the fact that even a small explosion can destroy a landscape and prevent anything (That doesn't want cancer or mutations) to live in the area for over a thousand years. A great example of 2 second research and sensationalizing an agenda to push a narrative.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

"Second Thought" explains this better.

[@krizzle4087]

A nuclear energy renaissance is desperately needed. It's the one currently available tech that can really give us energy independence. New nuclear reactor designs are also much safer than older (still in operation) designs.

[@MS-tc2fs]

🍏🍏Nuclear waste is repurposed as ‘Depleted Uranium’ and used to contaminate poor countries during wars, thus slowly depopulating regions rich in natural resources (oil)

[@westproperty6178]

I wish they could figure out Thorium as a fuel source. I know China is trying to get it done and it is much safer and cleaner than Uranium.

[@terriblefrosting]

Agreed. Decommission the old ones ASAP, make new ones that are better. Win-win-win, as long as PG&E is NOT in charge.

[@Nastiazik]

Hello, I'm from Russia, Moscow 🇷🇺 and I also run a KZbin channel where I shoot about politics and history. I would be interested to hear your opinion about my activities

[@Fenthule]

That's why I'm always talking about it, and promoting good sources of knowledge like Kyle Hill here on YT. I honestly believe it can be the catalyst to get us to proper fusion, which would be the next "industrial revolution", however it would be more of a "unlimited energy" revolution.

[@rockymtndrone]

Nuclear power is one of the largest sources of sustainable energy we could use. if you are pro green energy and moving away from oil, nuclear energy is by and far the best option in the short term.

[@homiej8163]

@Zioptis the waste can be recycled over and over again for hundreds of years till it loses its half-life

[@ianhomerpura8937]

@@homiej8163 everyone knows why people are afraid of recycling them: the same procedure to recycle fuel rods is the same one used to enrich uranium for nuclear bombs. But still, I am for nuclear reprocessing. Japan and France have been doing that for the longest time, and they're doing just fine.

[@homiej8163]

@Zioptis ahhh i seee

[@MS-tc2fs]

🍏🍏Nuclear waste is repurposed as ‘Depleted Uranium’ and used to contaminate poor countries during wars, thus slowly depopulating regions rich in natural resources (oil) A far better renewable energy alternative would be geothermal power sources.

[@traceyxxrose7454]

Stop copying and pasting this everywhere. Most places can’t have thermal power plants

[@imathreat209]

People hear nuclear and they automatically think bad. When in reality it's far better then most other sources of energy

[@rskye11]

It's much cleaner than petroleum and much more powerful and consistent than renewables. With a good containment strategy for the waste and a well-designed emergency plan, nuclear is quite safe.

[@figo007tv]

When spoken about in the Middle East, it sounds scary to be around. I like your take on it.

[@scotttalkington323]

@@figo007tv well, they got money to make, so they really don't want to hear about it.

[@Apache-pride_253]

Only the uneducated ones

[@kkkkit]

Exactly, why is the UK decommissioning them 😡

[@handsomegeorgianbankrobber3779]

4:14 This woman is completely insane, she seems to be fine with regular blackouts and teleporting us back to the pre-industrial age. Also, does she think that solar energy doesnt produce any waste? Where does she think all the solar panels end up?

[@samgrace3868]

She lives on the coast of California and has plenty of money she definitely has a generator for those blackouts. She probably expects the people that couldn’t afford that luxury to suffer like “she did”

[@wednesdar452]

How about the giant fiberglass wind turbine blades? They bury those.

[@klausb2921]

i never reply to comments but oh god. i have been mounting solar panels on roofs since the early 2000s and i have absolutely no clue what you mean with waste. IF a panel gets destroyed it usually gets dismantled and recycled to the most extent. EVEN if you don't separate the materials its just glass, silicon and some electric cables. Solar panels last usually up to 20 years and need no upkeep whatsoever, e.g NO FURTHER CLIMATE BURDEN. There is a one-time production CO2 cost, which has been steadily decreasing since the 2000s. Yes, producing them costs a little bit of CO2 but in comparison to anything/most things it is as green as it gets. don't try to polarize opinions under some video without being informed about what you "brag to know". jeez.

[@sebastianfletcher-taylor1024]

@@klausb2921 I have been (unfortunately, it is not a fun task) deeply involved in trying to organize improved and more environmentally friendly supply chains for the materials used to build solar panels, batteries, nuclear power components, etc. I'm very supportive of solar (and nuclear) power generation, but the waste issue with solar panels is honestly primarily from the mining process for the photovoltaic cells - depending on the PV design these include primarily cadmium, tellurium, indium, gallium, selenium and copper. If and when the panel is recycled, it is shipped to a developing nation (usually in the South China Sea region and areas surrounding it) and the dismantling and separation is not nearly as clean or safe as it theoretically should be if done in a dedicated, well-funded facility. Secondly, silica may seem simple but it is not. There are many types of silica from different origins, and only some are suitable for photovoltaics, and the mining process can be environmentally damaging, and the transportation of silica is very fuel intensive. Thirdly, solar power at a grid level is logistically coupled with battery infrastructure. There are designs that mitigate this, but on average solar power increases demand for high capacity battery banks - and electric vehicles exacerbate this issue (I am supportive of them as well, but the environmental impact is more complex than people often realize). The most significant issue arises from heavy use of chromium, which is a pretty environmentally catastrophic mining industry. I would link resources, but you will have no problem finding them if you start Googling. Nuclear power has waste considerations too, primarily in construction of the plant (lots of silica for concrete). However, the nuclear waste is stored on site and uranium mining, while bad, is less of a concern than the materials I mentioned above because you don't need much uranium to produce a tremendous amount of energy. You are totally correct that after construction, there is negligible further climate burden from solar panels. The industry itself, however, is very complex, and this is why I think that we need to be thoughtful about the balance of solar, wind and nuclear power that we are to use as the primary energy generation infrastructure to replace fossil fuels.

[@kellincakubica277]

I'm not taking advice from someone who claims to be handsome but still has to rob a bank 🏧 😂

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

I live in an African country, and the lady hand-waving the issue of rolling blackouts really doesn't comprehend how bad energy poverty is for a country's economy, and by extension people's ability to get out of real financial poverty. If your "perfect" world involves only ever using renewables, most countries in the global south will never be able to make it. Asking them to "just use what you have more and more efficiently" is condemning people to perpetual stagnation and squalor.

[@illuminate4622]

I live in a rich country and when I heard that I thought, so my fridge should be allowed to warm up in the power outages every few days? Umm, no thanks, I'd absolutely rather take the nuclear waste! Especially knowing how compact it really is!

[@fotoschopro1230]

Energy is the master resource, used to extract and manipulate all other resources. More energy = more better, because the industry will consider new approaches and production methods that were previously too expensive due to energy. You know that nice OLED tv you want? Yeah, imagine if it cost a third of its current price. People just can't imagine that. But real life examples of this already exist. Just ask yourself why a third world loan is not enough Fiji water has to be shipped to Africa, because it is too costly to desalinate or clean it there, because there is no energy. If that's not a good example, then I don't know what is.

[@edgarfriendly5081]

Quitting nuclear power would be the dumbest thing the Us could do. They need to expand in nuclear by 100x

[@hector-nu6gl]

Well that's right as long the US doesn't wage war against an adversary that is able to attack nuclear plants with missiles. Then nuclear power plants are a huge risk.

[@subarticb5670]

Hard to convince a population that is fearful from a few events (Chernobyl, Fukushima). New nuclear technology is a lot safer. How do we get ppl to trust it?

[@edgarfriendly5081]

@@subarticb5670 Let them suffer with chronic black outs from their poor energy choices I guess.

[@andrewboyce7268]

Well we usually take the correct choice and do the opposite. Just how we do it. Held onto coal and other fossil fuell way to long, now we are moving away from Nuclear when California has zero water.

[@edgarfriendly5081]

@@hector-nu6gl If there was a war involving ICBMs we're all fucked even if there are 0 nuclear plants.

[@KinaestheticDmaw]

TL;DW: Younger generations recognizing that it is a clean energy source, and boomers trying to screw things over again.

[@NoThanksChief]

Some things never change.

[@Bayplaces]

Plenty of young anti nuclear people unfortunately

[@clarkkent9080]

Southeastern boomers? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@tommykelly6840]

Additionally, vice asking some leading questions to that boat guy

[@rak6437]

She grew up during cold war.. nuclear threats.. Chernobyl and doesn't understand nuclear energy whatsoever

[@Bayplaces]

I live next to Diablo. Used to be diametrically opposed to it as a kid thanks to all the anti nuclear nuts around here. Now I couldn’t be a bigger fan of keeping it in my backyard. Cleanest energy around

[@danansana7411]

wigner

[@Acanofalconpunch]

​@@danansana7411 pigner

[@ZivineYT]

Exactly, who would die first. Someone living next to a coal plant or a nuclear plant

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@ZivineYTyeah you’ll totally be fine 🫠

[@majormoolah5056]

Everyone should be getting more nuclear power! France is energy-independent thanks to nuclear power. They still obviously need to import oil but USA has oil to spare

[@amiralx88]

We are still 8% dependent to gaz and we also had an anti-nuclear politics for 5 years with Francois Hollande that closed one central but they quickly figured out that it was a mistake to close it.

[@majormoolah5056]

@@amiralx88 Where did you get that 30% from? Only 8 - 9% of French electricity comes from all fossil fuels combined...

[@amiralx88]

@@majormoolah5056 My bad you are actually right it's just 8-9% I corrected my mistake.

[@majormoolah5056]

@@amiralx88 Wow an actual gentleman in the KZbin comments! Hope you have a great day

[@sharwama992]

Have you ever wondered why France has a strong grip on Francophone countries in the Sahel

[@majeestic3712]

That woman who is worried about nuclear waste because shes "worried about future generations" but not worried about fossil fuel waste for the same reason is the epitome of not knowing anything about anything

[@mitchjames9350]

Sound like she is either a paid activist or the non educated ones on what happens to nuclear waste.

[@jesustsa1]

People love to romanticize the future , like they’re going to see if from heaven and think. Wow, we did the right thing. She’ll be gone soon, hopefully.

[@kennethkaminski3438]

Keep Diablo Canyon open! The plant is very well designed, built and routinely tested to verify it is safe to operate. There have been multiple layers of defense added since Fukushima to ensure a plant meltdown will not occur. It would be ludicrous to shut this plant down.

[@thekyuwa]

This is not a safety issue, this is just ideology: they keep screaming random words like "green", "100% from renewables", "sustainable" but they don't understand that it's just an illusion: the laws of physics won't change just cause they scream.

[@Adrianitez]

It's a letter to Santa Claus. It constituted 6% of world energy supplies; you'd need to build 3 reactors every month for 40 years spread out evenly across the whole world to get it up to around 20%, for it to make any kind of dent in GHG-emissions. That's never going to happen; too many geopolitical, proliferation, economic, regulatory, insurance and resource and manpower questions that there is enormous inertia in resolving for that to ever occur. In the real world, zero marginal cost, existing renewable technologies are the only option we have. All the experimental bullshit about thorium salt reactors, micro-reactors etc. are just that; commercial bullshit for billionaires to invest surplus capital to avoid depreciation and extract even more profits.

[@danansana7411]

what a tsuanmi fence

[@Beagle4Bagel]

I think the woman that is OK with the light going out is being naive, that might have been OK in the 60s, but nowadays we have datacenters and a economy which relies on electricity to function. Imagine the millions or even billions lost per hour if every business had to stop operating just because there is a blackout for an hour.

[@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477]

Imagine what it does to a hospital,

[@dan7446]

Well said. She's is playing off any criticism to her arguments as "oh, who cares if that happens! I'm okay with it, so everyone else must be, too!"

[@offchance789]

I feel that elderly lady's statement that "blackouts are OK" was cut off way too early. Even she must comprehend hospitals need electricity to operate. But my cynical side tells me she's of a past generation who can't grasp the essentialness of our networked and computerized 21st century world.

[@Keepskatin]

@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 The hospital can run on genertor for backup. Why do yout think they have those huge generators🤦🏽‍♂️ Simple people shouldn't comment on topics they are not educated about. The key is not to rely on one source of cleaner energy. The lock is to not depend on solely a centralized source of energy. High IQ people have solar panels on their homes and use the power grid as backup power. Higher IQ people also mini wind turbines at their home.

[@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477]

@@Keepskatin Did that work in New Orleans or did seniors die needlessly?

[@eddybraun5444]

I am a resident of San Luis Obispo and live less than 10 miles as the crow flies from the power plant. When I moved there I was shocked at how few people even knew about it. To everyone I’ve met who did it isn’t something that’s on their mind frequently at all. The power plant was designed to last much longer than it has and it’s still in very good shape. Low land footprint, no emissions, and produces a reliable, variable, consistent supply of electricity seems to me like a silver bullet for many of societies issues. The majority of the waste can be treated so the radioactivity is condensed and the rest is safely released. I have worked at Montaño De Oro State Park just up the coast and know that the power plant which is immediately adjacent poses no concern to the biologists working there. You cannot even tell it exists. In addition it supplies the local economy with many high-paying skilled jobs, which then in turn props up many more jobs. I am very disappointed it is being decommissioned, I really hope this kind of content motivates some people to take action in favor of it. Thank you Vice.

[@clarkkent9080]

Did you notice that they never even said why it shutdown, other than expensive repairs. They spent $1 billion on new steam generators that had failed and the new steam generators also failed. Steam generators separate radioactive reactor coolant from clean stem that turns the turbine. Please do not rely on YT videos for factual information

[@evanwetzel8641]

As an environmental scientist and self proclaimed conservationist I am not looking forward to seeing the state of California in about 15 years if they don't get their act together. Yes green energy is a positive, but when reasonably implemented with a direct and clear strategy for transition. More nuclear is needed worldwide. Period.

[@clarkkent9080]

Like this?? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@kevinwest3274]

Everyone talks about how clean nuclear power is but no one talks about nuclear waste or accidents. If the world stop making carbon waste today, the world would go back to normal carbon air levels in a few hundred years. If the world stop making nuclear waste today, it would take 10,000 or more years for it to go away. Nuclear waste is so deadly, it could kill or sicken millions of people thousands of years into the future. How do you warn people a 1,000 or 10,000 years in the future about the nuclear waste the world created today? Where would you store nuclear waste to keep it safely locked away for thousands of yeas? The nuclear industry or world governments do have an answer for that. And what about nuclear plant safety? What happens if another Chernobyl or Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster happens? 35 different nuclear accidents have happen since 1952 (International Atomic Energy Agency). And they will happen again in the future. Nuclear power: the clean, green energy dream? Dream on...

[@evanwetzel8641]

@@kevinwest3274 well, my response to your first point of nuclear waste storage is to return the the waste to where it originated. Meaning: put it back into the deepest parts of the earth that we can safely get to. I.e. abanded lead mines or the bottom of the ocean as water is a great insulator of radioactivity (if that is the correct term;insulator). Secondly, the amount of nuclear power incidents being 35 is relatively small compared to all other energy sources. That being said, of course if mismanaged nuclear power is quite dangerous we learned that time and time again. Although, with the current level of technology and safety protocols nuclear energy can be easily utilized with little to no downside. Look at many European countries such as France for example. They have many nuclear plants, decided to decommission them on the basis of your argument and are now recommissioning said plants.

[@deliciousdeviant5333]

@@kevinwest3274 Nobody talks about all the rare earth metals that are present in solar panels. You need an open pit mine which leads to deforestation, the materials are toxic af, and every so many years solar panels need to be replaced and the stuff is just unrecyclable unlike nuclear fissile materials.

[@dusk6159]

@@kevinwest3274 This is literally the opposite from the truth, and your myths are talked about by anyone unaware of the topic.

[@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477]

I would rather open one nuclear plant then open a hundred coal mines.

[@clarkkent9080]

How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@insmileyfacemur4242]

Good for you

[@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477]

@@insmileyfacemur4242 Thank you, I’m here all week. Up next is my opinions on airplane food.

[@darksu6947]

@@bayersbluebayoubioweapon8477 I've been here waiting on you to give your opinion on airplane food for 4 days. I'm very hungry and very thirsty, not cool dude.

[@Avantime]

The US shouldn't quit nuclear power, but keeping online reactors from the 1960s (with 1960s technology, building and earthquake standards) well past their designed lifespan is not the way to go. Just build new ones in their place.

[@clarkkent9080]

New ones like this? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@chrsmcfrln]

New reactors are being priced at $10-20Bn at the moment. That’s the real issue here. No one wants to spend the money. There are also skilled labor shortages to actually design and build the things.

[@ShinyRedR1]

@@chrsmcfrln That’s a good thing…. I would say, do you want nuclear waste on your property? That doesn’t even matter, because your ownership of the land is irrelevant. The radioactive waste will probably be toxic, for longer then Humans might even exist…

[@Avantime]

@@chrsmcfrln It's not the upfront price tag that's scaring people. It's the potentially decade-long delays and colossal budget blowouts that people fear (e.g. Flamanville and Olkiluoto). Both Toshiba/Westinghouse and EDF faced crushing losses from their respective budget blowouts. Toshiba left, while EDF just got nationalized. There are only 2 players that could build on time and budget, they're are the Chinese and South Koreans. To do that they bring their entire workforce, tools and materials from their respective host nations, and use older, conventional designs.

[@samgrace3868]

The problem is that energy is not nationalized and that the concern is some billionaires bottom line, and not the fact that nuclear is cheaper when not talking about upfront capital, and also the fact that earth is also humanity’s only home! :(

[@timothytoth3540]

Nuclear power is by far the cleanest way to produce power in the world. Nuclear power is both the most clean and most sustainable way to make power. We developed to point where we can put nuclear waste in storage underground and then use the resulting byproduct leaving little to no net waste. Based on the current level of nuclear power technological development both in safe and waste management America should be increasing the number of nuclear power plants to point of achieving the cheapest cost of power in the world. Cheap power will translates to cheaper fuel for cars as they go electric which will means deliveries to stores and homes gets cheaper which means food and general goods become cheaper. When you can buy more for the same usa dollar the value of the dollar goes up. Make electricity just cheap as you can in the USA vs any other developed nation of the world would be very meaningful. The government could use taxpayers money to make electricity nearly free in America using the most modern nuclear power plants by turn it into a nonprofit which bills just enough to pay employees do maintenance and contribute to increasing the level of nuclear technological development and help pay for new nuclear power plants to be built. Coal, oil, nuclear power are key sources of power and now modern nuclear power is the cleanest. It's cleaner then solar, wind and much more efficient. The days of fearing nuclear power are done in America as are technology has developed to point of being outrageously safe. Fracking is the name for the new cleaner way of get to natural gas or crude oil. It's more then 10 time's cleaner vs the old way of drilling. I can't really understand why so many people can't seem to understand it. That fracking is a good thing because it to is a great step towards cleaner energy production.

[@drakes4625]

All good points. So sad that the fossil fuel industry has actually TEAMED UP with solar and wind companies to create anti-nuclear propoganda. This is because they realize how much of a contender nuclear is.

[@the_rubbish_bin]

People fear what they don't understand.

[@MS-tc2fs]

🍏🍏Nuclear waste is repurposed as ‘Depleted Uranium’ and used to contaminate poor countries during wars, thus slowly depopulating regions rich in natural resources (oil) A far better renewable energy alternative would be geothermal power sources.

[@Chroogomphus]

@@MS-tc2fs I worry that geothermal, if it becomes popular, and then scales a few orders of magnitude would cool the Earth's core enough to slow the iron core and diminish Earth's magnetic field, rendering earth a dead planet.

[@the_rubbish_bin]

@@MS-tc2fs Geothermal is a great source of power. However, it is not available in most of the USA, and comes with it's own set of challenges.

[@ritokazoriv]

The fear of nuclear power and ever increasing safety regulations is what makes nuclear plants so expensive, not the plant itself

[@clarkkent9080]

You mean safety regulations like this 920 million price increase? Teacher, I lost my homework.. Did that work for you? Below is the Vogtle Project Management's answer for the latest delays: Southern Co. yesterday announced another delay for its long-troubled nuclear construction project in Georgia, edging its costs closer to the $30 billion mark. The setback could now push the startup date for Plant Vogtle’s first reactor until early 2023 and move the date for the second one to later that year. Plant Vogtle’s latest move highlights the nuclear industry’s chief troubles with building large, baseload reactors: safety and cost. To be clear, Southern executives have blamed this new hiccup on paperwork, saying that workers were gathering it to send to federal safety regulators and noticed critical inspection records were missing or incomplete. The pile of missing or incomplete documents added up to a delay of three to six months, Southern said. That additional time is costing $920 million. “We’re a little frustrated with the latest developments,” Southern Co. CEO Tom Fanning talked of “great momentum” at the construction site since November. But workers realized “tens of thousands” of critical documents were missing, leading to a three-month backlog. “We’re fixing that part of the ‘paper’ process,” he told E&E News.

[@shortnano95]

“As a minimum, 3, 4, 5, 10 years” that’s a whole lotta variation for a minimum lol

[@MsBhappy]

I think it's more that he'd be happy with whatever they can get to keep it alive. He later adds that he is hoping for a 20 year contract

[@EagleEyedSheLion]

I’m sorry this women is arguing at 5:00 we should just accept having black outs 💀

[@Whaley96]

"but it was fine back in my day" lmao 🤣 These people a scourge to society and cause is to move backwards instead of forward.

[@ynerrad9291]

I live in New Zealand and we’re really fortunate to have many sources of renewable energy sources available including hydroelectric and geothermal, and growing wind and solar. I think we still have coal power plants. I also live in Auckland and it has 1/3 population of NZ, so we need as much power as we can get. New Zealand from the 70/80s has had a really strong anti nuclear stance due to nuclear testing that was being done around that time, particularly in the Pacific. I know there are a few individuals who feel that nuclear could have a small role to play in New Zealand’s energy system. However, any proposal to get nuclear running will be met with a swift NO. One of the interviewees mentioned how she grew up in a time where rolling blackouts were a thing. I don’t think people would want that. To have great advances in technology for contemporary society to then have to face a reality of blackouts frankly is unacceptable. I think nuclear power needs to modernise and scientists are working on that. We need as many clean sources of power as possible to keep society going. Not only in the US, NZ but other places around the world too.

[@mitchjames9350]

Nuclear energy is already modernised with current gen reactors.

[@astroman0500]

04:30 COmplaining in this day and age about the nuclear waste is the epithome of "tell you don't know anything about a topic without telling me".

[@Tearakan]

Yep. Especially because direct coal smog kills more than every nuclear disaster we've ever had. And coal does that every year. But it's via cancer and lung issues so it's a slower death overall. Also hard to visualize it. So idiots ignore it.

[@andrewtobia3971]

Getting off nuclear power will be one of the biggest mistakes we could make

[@clarkkent9080]

I think the projects below are bigger mistakes. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@mitchjames9350]

Germany learnt that lesson when it’s oil and gas from Russia was shut off.

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

If we were to add up all the deaths of ARS and excess cancer deaths due to excess radiation exposure from nuclear accidents in all the history of nuclear power generation...and then added that up with all the deaths from nuclear weapons used in warfare, we'd still only have a tiny fraction of the number of deaths caused annually by air particulate pollution from coal-fired power plants. Every NPP we build and operate literally saves millions of lives throughout its operational life, by generating emissions-free electricity and preventing the use of fossil fuels.

[@PlaySA]

yeeup

[@nicogonx]

Quitting Nuclear is a bad idea for the environment right now, it can buy us time that we desperately need, new GEN IV reactors could help mitigate the risks of leaks, proliferation issues, waste and integrate with renewals. Don't be scared, let it be part of the energy mix.

[@clarkkent9080]

How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@4T3hM4kr0n]

theres also fuel reprocessing, but with that you can only choose 1 out of several options on which isotopes you want recycled.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@4T3hM4kr0n The MOX facility was only 1/2 of the reprocessing cycle since it was not designed to extract the Pu239 from spent fuel and this would have to be done in another facility. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017.

[@andycortez9316]

The public is so misinformed about nuclear energy that I believe it's a crisis. For starters, nuclear waste is NOT green goo that you see in the Simpsons

[@rak6437]

This lady from "Mother for peace" does not know nor understand nuclear energy. It is safe!! It is extremely safe! As long as water keeps running through the reactor while the rods are lowered then nothing will ever happen! I advise for nuclear power plants to have two backup systems and a third emergency option so if the main system fails, there's a backup. Nuclear energy is what this nation needs to keep our homes powered up! It is a very clean source of reliable gigawatts of power!

[@cageybee7221]

it's insane people would rather have rolling blackouts in the desert heat than clean energy.

[@clarkkent9080]

This is insane. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@cageybee7221]

@@clarkkent9080 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_gas_and_oil_production_accidents_in_the_United_States

[@clarkkent9080]

@@cageybee7221 Dude...or Dudette, I am not anti-nuclear. I am a ratepayer and nuclear has been proven over and over to not be cost effective. Build just one that can compete with ANY other power source and I'm on board. Maybe you believe in the better, cheaper, faster..NEXT TIME

[@cageybee7221]

@@clarkkent9080 oh right, yeah, your wallet is definetly more important than the survival of everyone on this planet, of course, how silly of me.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@cageybee7221 Here is some more reality: One political party and 45% of Americans (not me) not only believe that climate change is fake news but that it is a liberal plot. So please forgive me if I don't join in on your sky is falling chant. If you actually read, you would know that Biden and the Europeans have stated that natural gas may be the bridge source of electrical power to the future. For me, the word may and will are one in the same. I don't select what power sources utilities built and neither do you. I merely try to point out the reality of the situation and NO utility is even remotely interested in new commercial nuclear after the last 5 failures. Getting upset with reality is a losing battle. Maybe direct your energies to the failed project management and construction craft that is at the root of the issue.

[@aerialdarkguy]

5:12 jfc she wants us to go back to rolling blackouts!? Glad the reporter called her out, I'm sure Texas has a lot of thoughts on that "opinion".

[@brianholloway6205]

I said this in high school in the early 2000s people looked at me like I was insane

[@heiseili9279]

Unfortunately, people associate nuclear with bombs.

[@NG-iu9xn]

Yes

[@TheRealWinser]

I mean what else do you think Mothers for "Peace" stands for?

[@Toddzmom01]

It's clean energy which we certainly can use today. I worked on the project that was being built in Aiken, SC in the 70's to store spent nuclear rods. Seems it stayed under the radar as I have no idea what's going on there. The woman who said blackouts are OK obviously has no idea about hospitals, rehabs, cop shops, etc. coming to a halt in a blackout.

[@clarkkent9080]

Here is the latest. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@mburgnon]

Love that the woman advocated for closing Diablo Canyon while fully accepting it would cause blackouts hahaha

[@heather.mom4nuclear]

This makes me very sad. Blackouts cause death. Nuclear energy does not.

[@GamerbyDesign]

You can't go green without nuclear. At least not yet. Also they are working on reactors that use spent nuclear fuel as fuel.

[@clarkkent9080]

And you can't go nuclear without massive amounts of green $$ How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@GamerbyDesign]

@@clarkkent9080 Except for the fact that utilities don't care about going over budget. They get to keep 10% of the project cost as profit.

[@WombatOfDisaster]

Until there's no nuclear waste, it's a cynical energy source.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@GamerbyDesign Thank You. You are one of the very few smart ones. Electric power companies were deregulated decades ago and are now run by investor groups that demand from the PUC at least a 9% ROI. On new construction, they are guaranteed a % profit on all costs so there is a dis-incentive to control costs. And the ratepayer gets sex and has to pay for the dinner.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@WombatOfDisaster I hate to tell you but there are 96 million gallons of highly radioactive sludge from nuclear weapons production sitting in rusting underground storage tanks a short distance from the Columbia and Savannah rivers. Not an excuse but commercial nuclear waste is a small fraction of that amount.

[@Dobviews]

The biggest issue with San Onofre is that it was built too close to the ocean on an earthquake fault line. Not the brightest of ideas.

[@rak6437]

That's true. Nuclear reactors should be in fault free zones away from potential tsunamis, but other than that nuclear is the best way of energy production.

[@samgrace3868]

Or just build a reactor that is over precautionary about earthquakes, if they can build sky scrapers in San Diego that have thousands of people in them they can make reactor just as safe

[@Dobviews]

@@rak6437 My grandfather on one side worked at ORNL for 30+ years. My other gpa was in the Pacific off the Marshall Atolls as a Atomic Vet for 4. Both sides of my family felt the brunt of nuclear science gone amuck. I have no issue with it as long as we can build proper storage facilities and safe containment for spent fuel and waste. My gpa went to Hanford in the late 70's and was aghast at what he found, the Rocky Flats in 1980 - 81 he went up to run radioactive measurements at the 771 bldg. He said that whole building was hotter than Satan's pitchfork. In 1997 we went back to the old remains of their house in Oak Ridge off Bear Creek Rd. The concrete slab steps where he left his work shoes still registered 97 cpm and the back retaining wall registered 162 cpm where grandma hung the laundry. Ifvwe are going to go nuclear we need to start maintaining better environmental systems to ensure we are not poisoning ourselves as well. Cancer running through 3 generations is not fun. I stopped the cycle and just refused to bear any children. My gpa was highly interested in Thorium Reactors when he retired. Can't remember the guys name who he worked with on that project. Best wishes.

[@noahgwatkin]

if only we had advanced nuclear technologies after the 80's and we would've come up with a solution to use spent fuel rods!

[@Reichsmarschallenfuhrunggruppe]

Yes, reprocess or use them in breeder reactor

[@CatsMeowPaw]

5:03 'When I grew up, we had blackouts all the time. I was fine with it, and everyone else should be too!' Count me out. Maybe in the 1940s people didn't rely on reliable electricity, but they do today. Think of all the elevators stopping, traffic lights failing, diesel burned in critical areas such as data centers and hospitals to keep them running.

[@markb8426]

I don’t think she thinks about any of that.

[@THEUSMCMOTA]

She’s such a boomer

[@stevenm732]

IT person here. Reliable power grids are very nice. You can’t put a UPS, battery back up, on everything. These back ups are only designed to keep your servers online long enough to properly shut down anyways typically 10-15 minutes then they force a shutdown.

[@Romir0s]

Nuclear energy without technology of nuclear recycling is a dead end. And the US lost their technology of nuclear recycling.

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Literally just export the spent fissile material to countries that actually do reprocess and use the fuel in fast neutron breeder reactors, or just build your own.

[@joshlanier8567]

"It would actually be easier to start from zero then to bring this plant back from the dead." ... very interesting choice of words

[@rak6437]

And she had a BLM sign out front 🤦‍♂️

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Except that it's not true. The majority of the cost of a light water reactor is tied up in the enormous steel forging of the reactor pressure vessel. If the reactor pressure vessel is still in place, then it would likely be cheaper to rehabilitate than it would be to start from scratch.

[@ReclusiveEagle]

Even if you don't use it for power countries need access to refined Uranium and Plutonium. Especially the medical industry. So regardless if ITER actually succeeds or renewables replaces coal entirely, industries still need ways to access refined uranium. Small scale production and refining will continue to exist.

[@Fenthule]

I URGE anyone who's interested in nuclear energy and especially nuclear accidents, to watch Kyle Hill's series here in YT. He does a FANTASTIC job creating incredibly detailed documentaries on numerous events and can help educate those who might not know a whole lot but still have an interest. He's even gone to Chernobyl personally in a multi part piece, going inside the dismantled reactor with a bunch of other scientists. Absolutely worth a binge.

[@clarkkent9080]

Instead of YT videos how about researching actual facts. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@Izzy-qf1do]

I agree 👍

[@BrandanLee]

Nuclear Thor can get it.

[@zaurenstoates7306]

Just in America's nuclear waste, the depleted fuel in particular, there is 5x the energy content of Saudi Arabias entire oil reserves. No digging up new nuclear material, and utilizing the waste actually lowers the amount of time the waste needs to be stored. We don't only need to keep nuclear but we should expand it and invest in higher tech plants. Fast breeder reactors could power humanity for literal millennium just of our proven reserves.

[@clarkkent9080]

Here is your new nuclear AND reprocessing to extract all that unused power. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@AcidEfflux]

we only have enough resources on earth to power reactors for a couple hundred years at most

[@zaurenstoates7306]

@@clarkkent9080 instead of looking at a few examples I'm more inclined to look at statistical data. Levelised cost of energy is a descent measure that looks at the cost of a plant compared to amount of power it makes, usually in $/MWH. From what I've seen nuclear is about on par with the cost of off shore wind, which is fairly decent since you don't need energy storage options.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@zaurenstoates7306What is the statistical levelized cost of energy for a $17 billion for a canceled plant ?? Who knows what Vogtle will finally cost but at $30 billion plus they will never pay off the interest on that debit. The calculations that I have seen shows nuclear slightly more than other power generation methods but then the cost they use for a 1,000 Mw nuclear plant is $7 billion, not 15 or 16 billion. I don't think you will see any utility exec even remotely interested in nuclear for a long time.

[@zaurenstoates7306]

@@AcidEfflux that might be true if you only use thermal reactors with the current reserves, but there is a ton of uranium outside of those reserves. Literal billions of tons in seawater. But utilizing fast breeder reactors we could power all of Earth's energy needs for about a millennia with our current reserves and depleted fuel.

[@Happy-xi9hl]

Love the people in the comments. Thank god there are so many people out there who support nuclear energy.

[@clarkkent9080]

You mean support this??? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear power projects and spent fuel reprocessing and in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% media and political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. Please google any of this to confirm. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Vice News is an echo chamber; the number of proponents of nuclear energy isn't exactly mainstream yet

[@squidwardo7074]

1500 tons of nuclear waste is basically nothing. For comparison a 747 weighs 200 tons

[@Diegoo98]

As a native Californian I can understand why folks are afraid of nuclear power plants and can see why the state is going for solar/wind energy but I wonder if all those natural resources will be able to power all of Cali at an affordable price for families of all economic backgrounds as I'd say built both since nuclear can act a turbo to help power too!

[@clarkkent9080]

Here is how affordable nuclear is. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@PlaySA]

Even if solar and wind was massively expanded, the fact is that solar doesn't work at night or during cloudy days, wind doesn't work at night (usually as wind is rare at night) and doesn't work on still days. You NEED something else to fill those gaps. Advances in battery technology and power storage could help stretch those resources when they are not generating, but the fact is we aren't there yet and nuclear is the cleanest alternative 100%.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@PlaySA Your right about solar but there are places where the wind always blows. Ever been to the beach? mountain passes? The simple problem with nuclear is that it is at least twice as expensive as any other power production method.

[@jesustsa1]

Solar and wind has been sold by the industries very well. Their marketing is of green and animals thriving because of it. I mean even the Simpson portrayed nuclear as bad. Movies, shows etc.

[@Diegoo98]

@@jesustsa1 well solar panels actually work man, I go camping and have solar panels on my camper and this has extended my battery by YEARS!WILD AS HECK!

[@beccalife275]

Nuclear has such a bad reputation from Belarus and Japan but we're developed so much more technology and safety features. Nuclear is the future of energy.

[@Adrianitez]

It's a letter to Santa Claus. It constituted 6% of world energy supplies; you'd need to build 3 reactors every month for 40 years spread out evenly across the whole world to get it up to around 20%, for it to make any kind of dent in GHG-emissions. That's never going to happen; too many geopolitical, proliferation, economic, regulatory, insurance and resource and manpower questions that there is enormous inertia in resolving for that to ever occur. In the real world, zero marginal cost, existing renewable technologies are the only option we have. All the experimental bullshit about thorium salt reactors, micro-reactors etc. are just that; commercial bullshit for billionaires to invest surplus capital to avoid depreciation and extract even more profits.

[@danansana7411]

hanford where you show up on your first day of work and get a pension for life which is shortened by the amount of time spent on the job

[@quasarsavage]

love that diablo lives on hope it makes it to the 2030s

[@joewhang0514]

Ppl always talk about nuclear wastes, come on, the wastes and air polution from burning fossil fuels kills you way faster. And we haven't even started talking about the climate change.

[@brett4264]

A new nuclear plant should be built in the same place as the one that's being dismantled.

[@clarkkent9080]

can't afford it. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@ianhomerpura8937]

Time to have more nuclear reprocessing plants and use the fuel rods until they're fully spent, just like what Japan and France have been doing for the longest time. Time to upgrade into 3rd and 4th generation nuclear power plants. Time to boost nuclear energy if all cars and trains will shift to electricity powered ones.

[@Nastiazik]

Hi, I'm from Russia, Moscow 🇷🇺 and I also run a KZbin channel where I shoot about politics and history. I would be interested to hear your opinion about my activities

[@jesustsa1]

The renewable industry marketing is too good tho

[@ianhomerpura8937]

@@jesustsa1 time to market nuclear as renewable then, like what France has been doing for decades. Super effective.

[@Cypher81]

Thanks vice that exactly what i asking to myself this morning.

[@wallacerigby4393]

More than lights go out when there is no power. How small minded of the lady’s POV.

[@rak6437]

She has a BLM sign out front! What'd you expect

[@diatonicdelirium1743]

Interesting way of phrasing the last question "do you worry... catastrophic accident..." How about leading with "do you worry about continued power supply if they shut it down?" and then follow up with "Do you have safety concerns? Did anything ever happen at this plant?

[@gregorymalchuk272]

The entire premise is ridiculous. Diablo Canyon could have a full blown meltdown and nothing would ever leave the containment building. People outside wouldn't be able to tell anything happened. I don't get where this fear of meltdowns came from. In the 1950s, US nuclear reactors had dozens of meltdowns. We just cleaned up and restarted them. We even deliberately melted some down just to see what would happen and experiment with cleanup procedures.

[@diatonicdelirium1743]

@@gregorymalchuk272 That kind of sober analysis doesn't make for juicy headlines, does it ;)

[@jeremiasrobinson]

Unfortunately, there is better tech available now, but we are stuck using reactors designed before valuable safety features had been developed.

[@ianhomerpura8937]

You can open new 3rd generation reactors in existing nuclear power plants, then decommissioning and replacing the aging reactors. It is very easy to do. The Asian countries with nuclear energy have been doing that for a long time.

[@BakoBoi]

As a petroleum engineer, I know that the only way we replace oil and gas is nuclear, and I am all for more energy at a lower carbon and land footprint

[@clarkkent9080]

You may have a job for a long time. Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear power projects and spent fuel reprocessing and in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% media and political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $10 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. Please google any of this to confirm. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@six634]

Very surprised nothing was brought up about Thorium reactors which are much safer

[@clarkkent9080]

Its because no one in the U.S. is even considering them. YT videos are entertainment not reality.

[@atheosxgaming]

Because its a really fucking good clean effective reliable way to make power.... bout it.

[@clarkkent9080]

This if Fing reality How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@amorrar1]

Good stuff. I think we should change our minds about nuclear. It seems like the most favorable option

[@Nionix123]

I live near the Susquehanna River in PA. There are 4 hydroelectric power plants along the river and one nuclear power plant. The nuclear power plant makes more than all 4 of them combined and doesn’t impound a river once home to multiple native fish species.

[@ricoh881227]

Hopefully this now goes back to drawing board, on how to make a more cost effective version of mini power plant.. theres some good ideas out there but still havent lift off to frutation.

[@paulneumann8589]

Although Steven Chu was Energy Secretary he has been wrong about a lot of things. He destroyed the clean hydrogen that was thriving in development and he is wrong that we don't have long term energy storage. Green Hydrogen can be stored indefinitely and we need all clean energy including batteries to make any transition. Especially in cold states.

[@rak6437]

We would need nuclear to produce hydrogen as it takes a ton of electricity to separate it from water, but yes you're correct.

[@SteveWright-oy8ky]

@@rak6437 WRONG ! The Meyer's Water Fuel Cell needs very little electricity and can crack water to make the hydrogen , all we want ! Clean, non-polluting and self contained !

[@sigmundfreud7903]

Nuclear fusion is probably the most realistic power source for the future.

[@clarkkent9080]

how realistic is this? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@MRIPETCTSupportEngineer]

I live 15 min from San onofre. I’ve always wondered what was going to come of it

[@MoMoneyEmpire]

Why does the government keep straying away from plasma gasification, which could use landfills as the power source?

[@Ningen18]

Wow Vice, I guess it's better late than never, to see what the common people already saw from miles away..

[@jimk8520]

It’s not wrong to dismantle these older plants. They aren’t nearly as safe as they need to be. It is wrong to not replace them with modern designs.

[@npswm1314]

The woman from "Mothers for peace" is wrong. Nuclear waste is not a problem. See Kyle Hill's video titled the same for more info.

[@clarkkent9080]

Do you understand tha YT videos are entertainment not factual?

[@abddfa5234]

Why are we not talking about the absurd energy consumerism? Can’t we foster a sustainable lifestyle?

[@SanskarWagley]

Nuclear and other renewables are sorely needed

[@kyleunderhill9126]

It's important to remember nuisance. Nuclear has the potential to be the greenest. Thorium and other Nuclear fuels that aren't plutonium or uranium are the safest as well with less toxic waste and sometimes no potential for meltdowns. One thing to be aware of is that the methods of mining the fuels is the biggest danger. Doesn't matter if we're using safe thorium if we're contaminating the area around the mine.

[@samgrace3868]

That’s a great concern! But to be fully honest the US has very strict laws (hopefully as long as a republican[or democrat funded by the same interests] dose not come along *Ahhem trump) most of these are not sourced from the USA, although I feel just the same. The people in the video opposing were not concerned about that because they could not care less! And it’s sad :(

[@wednesdar452]

Yes, but a the footprint of all the thorium mines in the world is still orders of magnitude less than oil/natural gas wells.

[@Cheesecake1559]

You guys could cover on that Finland Company strategy for storage of nuclear waste, would be awesome!

[@adamboey4132]

As someone who studies nuclear waste for a living, I continuously stress the benefits of American energy security (especially carbon neutral energy security) greatly outweighs the risk of radiation from spent nuclear fuel. That being said, I handle radioactive material every week, I can understand why some people have so much fear. That’s why we need more professionals who can communicate concepts like dose rates and comparative risk and not more celebrity-activists in this field.

[@clarkkent9080]

Dude, it is not the waste that is the real issue. It is the cost. If you work with nuclear waste, I may even know you, but in any case you should know the following. Please don’t assume that YT videos are factual. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear power projects and spent fuel reprocessing and in the U.S. over the last 20 years. You decide if this YT video was presenting the truth. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% media and political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $10 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. Please google any of this to confirm. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@clarkkent9080]

New nuclear is only cost effective if it can be built for less than $7 billion per 1.1 Gw unit. The Vogtle units are at $15 billion each and still not complete and VC Summer was $17 billion for an abandoned plant. Reprocessing spent fuel is NOT economical. It is much cheaper to just make new fuel instead of the massive cost involved in reprocessing. The MOX facility was only 1/2 of the reprocessing system and that was also canceled due to out of control costs. If you are interested in new nuclear you need to direct your attention into reducing costs. You will also see in the U.S. that Investor owned utilities are shutting down fully paid for old nuclear plants because they are not cost effective. So it may not just be the construction costs that are a problem. After Vogtle, there are no new commercial nuclear plants planned so if a utility was ever interested, you are looking at 16 years, start to finish, to build more. And the VC Summer and Vogtle projects proved that U.S. construction has trouble constructing even two large projects at the same time.

[@TroyRubert]

Glad you could finally join us in the 21st century Vice.

[@radeon8461]

The payment from the Chinese eco-billionaires must have ran out.

[@711jastin]

To those who has no idea how energy works, nuclear power is the future, nuclear fission will be the temporary solution to most of our world's problems, nuclear fusion will be the eternal solution(or until we can harness something greater). There is no equivalent source of power in terms of energy density and pollution cost (yes, i mean it).

[@fizvx3893]

Fusion or fission Ik there different just don’t know the difference

[@Tearakan]

@@fizvx3893 fission is splitting atoms. We do that now in reactors. Fusion is combining atoms together. The sun does that now to last for billions of years. We've done a bit of it in a lab.

[@rak6437]

We need nuclear power until we can generate anti matter. Then I'll agree to show down nuclear.

[@shashankvaya2636]

4:15 it's so impractical to keep it open.......BUT IT WAS OPEN FOR 40 FUCKING YEARS

[@i.l6916]

The fact that someone is gonna have to guard nuclear waste until the end of time leads me to believe the end of time isn’t far off

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Nuclear "waste" has literally never been a problem. Can you name any other form of energy generation where all the related waste is available in a solid state (ceramic pellets) that are easy to observe and store in reinforced concrete casks? Besides that, their high density means that the volume of space required to store everything is relatively tiny compared to the volume of coal ash the world generates each year. All the spent fissile material still retains the majority of its potential energy that can be reprocessed to be used as fuel for fast neutron breeder reactors (which is actually quite an old technology). The resulting spent fissile material from those reactors only take a few hundred years to decay into inert rocks.

[@the_rubbish_bin]

Design and technology has improved tons since these plants were built. We need to replace the decommissioned plants with new ones. That lady living on the coast might not mind rolling backouts, but most of us can't afford to live on the coast and therefore, require air conditioning.

[@clarkkent9080]

How about the most advanced Ap100 design? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@alkh2624]

5:04 back in my day we WERE BLIND

[@clarkkent9080]

What about today? How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@polishcow968]

Good job Vice👍

[@JWFdocumentaries]

once upon a time PBS said nuclear had a bad rep that it doesn't deserve.

[@yoursafeplace8476]

This is one of the dumbest mistakes made in human history. Yes, any plant that's not up to safety measures most definitely should be fixed or taken down but the fear mongering involved with Nuclear energy is a shame. We could easily have been running on just nuclear, solar, and wind if things had been done the right way but because we're humans of course we've fucked it up. It's not limitless energy, nuclear waste can be an issue, but our planet would be in far better shape if we'd done this right. Now the world is roasting and the problems still aren't being solved, sucks. By the way, dealing with nuclear waste isn't that "difficult". Just dig real deep into the earth or find/use one of the superdeep mines that are abandoned and you store it down there then seal the place in concrete or something like that. It's not a permanent solution as only so much can be buried but it would buy enough time to move over to 90% green and figuring out the logistics and getting the tech right to make it happen.

[@MrGbustamante]

Use Spacex to send the waste deep into space. BOOM problem solved.

[@ShinyRedR1]

It sounds very similar to you, but the US government hasn’t been able to accomplish it yet. Maybe they should hire you, as a “Master Planner”? Simple as that..

[@ShinyRedR1]

@@MrGbustamante SPACE X, is willing to work at a loss to send Tons of waste into space? All because you, said so?? It must be wonderful, to have your imagination…

[@kylemcconnaughey4611]

Why can’t we just make a ton of nuclear plants in like Montana to power the country, solid jobs and clean energy with few people around it if anything could happen

[@clarkkent9080]

Maybe because of this. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear reprocessing and power projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@jesusperez7524]

I work at Diablo canyon at the moment and get to see what goes on behind the scenes. There’s a lot of work to be done to keep it going for 10+ years but it could definitely be brought up to code

[@clarkkent9080]

I worked in the nuclear industry for 40+ years at 5 different facilities and you must know that 1 failure of a major component at these 30-40 year old plants means it will be shutdown. The cost to repair even minor components is staggering.

[@heather.mom4nuclear]

Thanks for sharing your personal experience there, however, your comment implies that it's not currently "up to code". It is. We have lots of work to do solely because the company was headed down the wrong path for so long (the last 7 years!) planning for decommissioning instead of continued operation, and now we all have to scramble to catch up.

[@SuperTommox]

Safest and most efficient energy production!

[@clarkkent9080]

You forgot most expensive. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@Mr.Rogers91]

Yeah I'm not sure why more money isn't going into nuclear. We always talk about wind and solar which is great but the technology just isn't there yet and we can't force it. We should be looking into how we can make nuclear more efficient since it's already 0 emissions. It's all in fear of a disaster when there have only been 2 major nuclear disasters in history and Chernobyl was due to communism and Fukushima was unavoidable it was just devastating earthquake and tsunami.

[@Mr.Rogers91]

@Trey Adams the reason I didn't include it is because there were no fatalities related to the meltdown. Even today epidemiologist say there is no increase in cancer to the surrounding area. So while the reactor may have suffered a meltdown it's not really comparable to Ukraine or Japan in that no one died. They even had it cleaned up in a q3 year period while Fukushima and Pripyat are still not cleaned up totally.

[@clarkkent9080]

more money is. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit your narrative you just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear projects in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@Mr.Rogers91]

@@clarkkent9080 it sounds like you just listed a bunch of projects that the government couldn't finish. It's pretty par for the course that government projects go WAY over budget and way over deadlines. YT videos are not the source of my opinion it was the topic here. We've had completed nuclear plants shut down Instead of improved. Again your argument is more the government sucks and not nuclear is bad.

[@clarkkent9080]

@@Mr.Rogers91 I am not saying nuclear is bad. I am saying it is too expensive, that is if it can even be completed. The MOX facility was a government project. VC Summer and Vogtle were/are private investor owner utility projects. Please check me if you don't believe. If you do research, then you must know that San Onofre shutdown because major equipment failed. I believe that they replaced steam generators at a cost on $1 billion and the new steam generators failed. Steam generators separate radioactive reactor coolant from clean steam. Again, if you actually research you must know that it is common for nuclear plants in the 30-50-year range to be shut down by the utility owners when major equipment fails. Palisades just shutdown a few months ago for failed control rod seals. On average, 2 old nuclear plants shutdown every year. Just because I don't like what is happening does not mean I have to ignore facts

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

The biggest argument nuclear promoters do not want you to talk about is the huge costs, at a $Billion each to replace all the existing fossil fueled power stations AND THEN all the EXTRA power plants in the full electric world. One Australian expert who advises government, well respected, said 5 times more power will be needed. So if 1,000 plants today , then 5,000 replacement nuclear power plants at a $1billion each is unspeakably huge At the end of 2021, the United States had 1,143,757 MW-or about 1.14 billion kW-of total utility-scale electricity generating capacity and about 32,972 MW-or nearly 0.03 billion kW-of small-scale solar photovoltaic electricity generating capacity. So multiple by 5 times, it is unspeakably huge. The power plants took decades and decades and decades and now 5 times that effort ! Skilled construction workforce numbers are massive numbers. And there is more expenses. The CENTRALISED power plants need DISTRIBUTION grids and these are even bigger costs than the plant. Now we are speaking the unspeakable part of new central power supply. The renewable technology is new technology and the EV batteries are the killer part, in the best way. 100kwh battery and only 7kwh needed each day for the daily drive. It is like seating for 4 or 5 but only 1 is used daily. It is like a car with a full tank but only going to fuel up every 10days. Daily drive is very small. This is the future and the stored electricity in 300MILLION EV vehicles daily is nothing but red ink for the Nuclear power plants. Nuclear wants big government guarantees on every thing they spend, disaster insurance, cash flow, profits, future donations 🙄, for 60years to 100years. It is everything else they want you to talk about and waste your time. The vast majority of EV batteries will be full daily, 300million EV are coming. They want government resources for free, locked in.

[@balam314]

I lost you at "AND THEN all the EXTRA power plants". Nobody wants to replace perfectly good wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, etc with nuclear reactors.

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

@@balam314 I agree that all the Renewables technologies is good. And easier. The big problem is the SMR nuclear power reactors like the BWRX300 reactors from GE Hitachi and Rolls Royce are being pushed hard in every country. That is the danger, nuclear industries with them and massive increase in central power supply. With even bigger grids to carry the extra electricity. The increase in all electric world is upto 5 times the existing power demand. Fossil fuels are very energy dense. Electric energy can be a more expensive energy to transmit. But if it is free at the homes with rooftop solar energy and no transmission costs or cost increases because it is the same poles and wires and transmission lines. New grids do not have to be built. Do you see what I mean ?

[@Ryan-kz7oj]

Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors (LFTRs) are the way forward. LFTRs use a molten salt mixture that can be drained away in the event of a meltdown, which helps prevent issues such as hydrogen gas buildup. They also don't need to be super pressurized like a light water reactor

[@clarkkent9080]

Do you realize that LFTRs would require an entirely new industry based upon Thorium. It is not just the reactor, it is making highly enriched uranium started fuel, thorium mining and processing, spent fuel reprocessing, etc.. That is why no one in the U.S. is even remotely interested in Thorium.

[@mattjones354]

The older lady is extremely ignorant. If I was a reporter I would ask her how many people in the US have died from a nuclear plant? Also she doesn’t know that the waste gets re used in triso fuels so it’s not like the plant uses the fuel rods once and dumps it

[@clarkkent9080]

So we should all be pronuclear since half the video shows pro-nuclear women? How shallow

[@krakenhawkstratdude204]

We need to consider nuclear energy as a viable alternative to fossil fuels if we expect to have the same or higher level of energy usage we have now. Fukushima, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island are just a small sample of things going wrong when there are a multitude of nuclear reactors around the world that have operated safely for years. What do we fear more? A overheating planet or a very rare isolated nuclear fallout that affects only a small area? I think people are starting to realize the value in nuclear energy.

[@TheLiamster]

This is so sad to see, nuclear energy should be expanded as much as possible

[@clarkkent9080]

I has and this is what happened. How can any YT video on nuclear power simply IGNORE the 5 nuclear new build failures in the U.S. in the last 20 years??? If it doesn’t fit their narrative, they just ignore it? Social and YT videos are NOT the news. If you live in the U.S. here is the reality for the last 4 state of the art Westinghouse AP1000 ADVANCED passive safety features new nuclear power projects and spent fuel reprocessing and in the U.S. over the last 20 years. YT videos are great if you want to be spoon fed misinformation instead of researching facts. The Southeastern U.S. is super pro-nuclear MAGA, has zero anti-nukes, and 100% media and political support. The MOX facility (South Carolina) was a U.S. government nuclear reprocessing facility that was supposed to mix pure weapon grade Pu239 with U238 to make reactor fuel assemblies. It was canceled (2017) in the U.S. After spending $17 billion for a plant that was originally estimated to cost $1 billion and an independent report that estimated it would cost $100 billion to complete the plant and process all the Pu239, Trump canceled the project in 2017. VC Summer (South Carolina) new nuclear units 2&3 were canceled in 2017 after spending $17 billion on the project (original estimate of $14 billion and 2016 completion date) with no clear end in sight for costs or schedule. Vogtle (Georgia) new nuclear units 3 &4 currently 110% over budget and schedule (currently over $30 billion) and still not operating. Mid way into the build, the utility stated that had they known about the many costly delays they would never have chosen nuclear. They are now delayed another year because according to the project management, thousands of build documents are missing. Please google any of this to confirm. If you can’t build new nuclear in the MAGA super pro-nuclear southeast U.S. then where can you build it?

[@williamsmith1741]

Relicense Diablo Canyon through 2065. Nuclear power produces virtually no "long-lived" + "high-level" waste. Spent nuclear fuel, i.e. high-level waste, is composed of three groups of materials: 1) 95% to 96% is made up of U-235 & U-238 (mostly the latter) which was not fissioned in the reactor. Radioactivity and nuclear half-lives are directly inversely proportional, meaning the shorter the half-life the more radioactive it is (think shooting star). Given the fact that the half-lives of U-235 and U-238 are 700 million and 4.5 billion years, respectively, you should be able to grasp that this 95% to 96% of spent fuel is barely radioactive at all. In fact, the ore that was mined to produce this uranium, when it was originally dug up, more than half of the radioactivity of that original material came not from the uranium but from uranium's much more radioactive decay products, like radium, which had built up in the ore material over billions of years. This means that if you were to extract the U-235 and U-238 from the spent nuclear fuel (which makes up 95% to 96% of the "high-level" waste) and just threw that back into the hole the uranium had originally been dug out of, that area would actually have a lower level of radioactivity than it had before the uranium had originally been mined, as it would no longer include much more radioactive materials like Ac-227 or Ra-226. Of course, you could also just re-enrich that uranium and turn it back into fuel. As such, 95% to 96% of spent nuclear fuel is not ACTUALLY "high-level waste" but rather low-radioactivity unfissioned uranium, which is also not even waste at all but IN FACT unspent fuel. 2) 1% to 2% is made up of transuranic materials, which are produced when uranium atoms are hit by a neutron and, rather than being fissioned, it absorbs the neutron and gets heavier, and transuranics include various isotopes of plutonium, americium, neptunium, etc.. Transuranics are the materials nuclear opponents are talking about when they say that nuclear waste lasts for millennia, as most of them have radioactive half-lives in the many thousands of years. However, returning to the fact that radioactivity and nuclear half-life is directly inversely proportional, the long-half lives of transuranics means that, by themselves, they're generally not radioactive enough for them to be dangerous to be around unprotected for moderate periods. Unfortunately, the only transuranic that can be used as fuel in the vast majority of nuclear reactors currently in operation (which use thermal-spectrum neutrons) is Pu-239, and even with Pu-239, only fission 2/3 of it will be fissioned in a thermal spectrum reactor. You could thus say that the unfissioned plutonium and other transuranics might be long-lived waste, except for the fact that, while those materials can't be fissioned in thermal spectrum reactors, they can be fissioned in fast spectrum reactors like the BN-800 which have been operated for years in Russia or the fast spectrum reactor being by TerraPower in Wyoming. As such, the 1% to 2% of spent nuclear fuel made up of transuranics is not ACTUALLY long-lived "high-level waste" but rather potential fuel for fast spectrum reactors. 3) 3% to 4% of spent nuclear fuel is made up of fission products, which are produced when an atom is fissioned and split into smaller separate atoms. Fission products generally cannot be fissioned any further, and thus could justifiably be considered ACTUAL waste. Additionally, they are generally EXTREMELY radioactive, and must thus be kept away from people and heavily shielded. However, again returning to the fact that radioactivity and nuclear half-life are directly inversely proportional, the extreme radioactivity of fission products means that they also go away extremely fast, with the vast majority of fission products being gone within a decade or two of being produced. The fission products that are a concern for longer than 20 years are primarily only Cs-137 and Sr-90, which are mid-term waste, as both have half-lives of ~30 years, meaning it will take them ~210 years (7 half-lives) to reach background radiation levels and ~300 years (10 half-lives) to almost completely decay away. However, Cs-137 and Sr-90 are mid-term waste, not long-lived waste, and on a combined basis they only make up ~12% of likely fission products, or 0.36% to 0.48% of all spent nuclear fuel. As such, while 3% to 4% of spent nuclear fuel is ACTUAL "high-level" nuclear waste, it is generally NOT long-lived, as the vast majority of fission products will have decayed away to stability within the span of time that it takes a baby to reach drinking age. The primary materials lasting longer than this are Cs-137 and Sr-90, but that's mid-term waste and NOT long-lived waste (going away in 200 to 300 years rather than millennia), and they only represent a small percentage of the total amount of spent fuel.

[@schmoo...]

Interesting video, but what happened at the end! Super sudden cut-off

[@LanaDelReysBabe]

Waste isn’t an issue. It can all be recycled and used until it is no longer a problem, and if not recycled, it is buried so deep is such secure containers that it’s impossible to even cause pollution. Ridiculous

[@ajitprasadgond]

Everybodys gansta until "vnimanie vnimanie"

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

Even in a worst case (ie. fictional and physically impossible) scenario, you can't do worse than what it looks like around Baotou where all the lithium and cobalt is used in PV cell manufacture. Just look at Bikini Atoll today.

[@Daka12s]

Everyone here needs a lesson in 1. Marketing 2. Manufactured consent 3. A history of nuclear and imperialism. Start out with Daniel Ellsberg, and Vijay Prashad for historical context.