Why The World Needs Introverted Intuition

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[@neurophilosophers994]

Going to show this to my ENTP professor and see what happens

[@neurophilosophers994]

The evolutionary perspective of functions would say Ni is older than Si hippocampus than Fi hormonal system than Ti prefrontal cortex. Meaning you can kind of think of the others as higher dimensional introverted intuition. But the purity of introverted intuition is so raw and interesting. It’s pure focus/desire. As an INTP/ISTP I’m either insecure about it or playful with it. So it’s not something I can do seriously but I kind of want to be able to.

[@neurophilosophers994]

When I was INTX more as a teen I used Ni a lot without realizing it wasn’t Ti because my INTP main personality was in so much control that I didn’t realize things weren’t purely abstract. INTX is a hard combination to explain.

[@eldanielo0001]

Living in this world as an Ni dominant person (intj) really feels like being an alien oftentimes. On most topics I have perspectives and opinions which are so far off from the accepted societal norm that I can rarely even mention them (without getting a dismissive or angry reaction). The thing is that most people tend to just accept the prewritten "script" and seldom check if that script is accurate. Ni doms always update and refine their inner script of how the world works. The downside is that there is often nobody to share these unusual perspectives with..

[@djaziko457]

Daniel Becker Yes you described it very well! I'm an Infj and I experience the same characteristics of Ni. The function can be just as picky and sensitive to the words we use to tell something and even the way we behave through body language. In an infj perspective Ni is really weary of the emotional grounds in the environment, so like Personality Hacker mentioned, an emotional antenna/radar. I think discussing these Ni perspectives is fascinating but as you said, most often we find ourselves doing the updating and testing rather than talking about them since when we do we would have to have people that care to listen and engage as we explain the complexity of our observations. Funny little observation, but our profile pictures look very alike haha! Almost like the landscape representation of the intj would be a little arbitrary due to Fi and the infj's Fe would read it naturally as is.

[@SaltCitySmokers]

Find an ENTJ girlfriend..if you can hang (deal with us) haha

[@stevedavenport1202]

100% true. Our P.O.V. is not just a little 'out there' it is bizarre at times. For example, I am convinced that robo-sapiens will be the dominant intelligent species by the dawn od the 22nd century. But this is not something I share with people, lest I be put in an institution 😀

[@pratyushbhattacharya3428]

The story of my life. I've been labelled cold hearted, asshole, pervert, misogynist, manipulative, voyer etc. just because I share my views on reality with people. My understanding of reality is so complex, dyanamic & constantly evolving that after a certain point I realised never in my life I'll be able to make some one understand my pov.

[@RoughDrafts]

Totally relatable, take solace that at least you’re not alone in your suffering :p

[@ho8464]

I think Ni users often notice a disagreement and know exactly what the arguers misunderstand about each other, as if there is a missing link that might clarify the viewpoints. Then they might try to fill in the gaps because they intuitively see the gaps

[@wendymurray8756]

Yes! And it is at times infuriating to watch rit large.

[@Coneman3]

I’ve seen people argue and can’t see both sides and tried to arbitrate but they wouldn’t listen

[@wertnero3805]

Infj, male, 34, very rough life, spent studying everything not understanding why im so different. now that i understand i can do unbelievable things and am reshaping the world with every person i meet. There is so much power in understanding ones self.

[@jessesnydermontereypersona161]

As an INTJ, introverted intuition is like a hunch that you can't quite put your finger on. It's been a highly accurate guiding light for my entire life. I really have a hard time explaining it! It's like translating a language that hasn't been made yet. It definitely is simulation-based, until this podcast I didn't realize that not everyone is constantly expanding and contracting on different scenarios in video form from inside their heads - constantly; all day. It helps me make very accurate decisions, that are very counterintuitive to most of the population. It's like you have the scientific method continuously running through ideas all day long. This allows us to give relatively accurate educated guesses towards how a future scenario may play out. It can also be very lonely having these understandings and sometimes you can get lost in abstraction, and that's a scary place. I think the tipping point from genius to insanity resonates well in that regard. It shows the importance of grounding yourself in the external world. The only thing that has led to any modicum of success has been testing my theories in the real world. An immature INTJ just has theories and with no real-world experiences, they aren't always accurate. Unfortunately, the sensing world can be highly exhausting. So you need to test your theories and recover, understanding your rest recovery cycle very well. I think that's why Te is so important, we need the most efficient way because we don't have a lot of external world stamina. Knowing these tenants, mature INTJs with ample real-world sensing experiences can truly manifest anything they want in life. Unfortunately, we can be stubborn with Fi so we can just as likely manifest ourselves into hermitude instead of leading the next technological advancements. INTJ's probably came up with the term intrinsic motivation. Not every INTJ is visionary and not every Visionary is an INTJ, but the two seem to coexist in the same realm. It's been like trying to tame a dragon/unicorn hybrid understanding my INTJ-ness but now I couldn't be any happier with who I am :D Best to all you INTJ's! Jesse

[@grumpyschnauzer]

Awesome! Thanks for this in-depth, well articulated contribution. How do you figure what happens when Ni can be off or wrong?

[@jessesnydermontereypersona161]

​ @Grumpy Schnauzer I don't think there is a way to figure out when your intuition is wrong except by testing your theory that it manifests. Ni is inherently subjective. So without bringing your intuitions into reality via Te and Se, you're intuition probably won't serve much utility in the real world. If it's wrong, then oh well. That can hurt, but I'd implore you to engage in the process, and not worry about the outcome too much. When you're wrong that just gives you the ability to implement trial and error to reprogram your idea to better get the result you want! All the best!

[@N0URii]

Glad you are at proud of yourself, i still at the problem i cant solve.. it sucks

[@luminouswolf7117]

You said it, now I don’t have too Thanks

[@luminouswolf7117]

And if the unicorn was also a cat ..

[@davidkepke1435]

Great descriptions of Ni. The Ni sees the other person from all sides, and Fe expresses empathy from feeling what they feel

[@ES1077]

ENFJ here...so many times in a meeting the optimal solution seems obvious in the first few minutes and I would offer it to the group. Invariably, a pretty close solution was arrived at by the group...sort of as a capitulation. IF, I share my thought up front...it takes longer for the group to get there and there was little commitment to implementation. I incorporated that into my process...asking questions of the group, reinforcing their observations, and participating as the discussion unfolds. Surprise, the group comes up with a better solution than the one I had come up with at first blush. My contribution became seeing a possibility and using that as a resource for the group to go further than the “obvious” one to me. I respect introverted intuition, yet the group process is vital to respect what each person contributes and builds mutual commitment.

[@allyson87]

~10:00 people might think we don’t empathize or validated because they want to hear “you’re right”; but as an INFJ, I often imagine the perspectives of all the people involved, including the “villain” in the story, and notice when certain details might be skipped over. Very rarely are there true “good” and “bad” guys at the individual level

[@aresp2707]

Lol... I talk to myself too. It's like, thinking out loud, helps it to sink in better. I also learn a lot when I'm talking to or teaching someone.

[@jasoncg2956]

It helps because our intuitive ideas need to be put to use in the real world, so when we speak them out, we switch into Sensing gear and are then able to recognize how realistic our ideas are.

[@samtavoosian3059]

😄👍🏻

[@PersonS6]

Wow you guys have the best grap on what the functions are. You keep saying how introverted intuition is not a function you use and how that makes the understanding of this function difficult but you are able to explain it so much better than a lot of people who actually use the function (including me to be honest). I just keep thinking how right you are. This is super helpful for my understanding of myself and my role in this world. Thank you

[@aresp2707]

As a person that has looked down a few guns. And avoided being hurt in dangerous life threatening situations. You are 100% correct... As an INFJ, I have always used my Ni to dodge danger. We can recognize patterns and "notice" things that are... Out of Place. I've called it my "spidey sense"... before I even learned of such a thing, as personality typing, almost two years ago. My introverted intuition, is what helped me to learn how to read on my own as a child before I started school. I've always been an extreme introverts since a child. I've really just started talking to people profoundly over the past few years. After having practically all of my close friends pass away in a very short time span. I could stay quiet... no longer. I really do greatly thank you for the time, energy, and effort. That the both of you put into the podcast. Thank you big time.

[@naturalandvalid8576]

I've listened to this before...probably 3 or 4 times...but after not thinking about Ni or mbti for the last 6 months, listening to it now, a brand new person, I feel inspired.

[@HodsBroo]

The thing not a lot of people know about Ni is it comes from deep suffering. An absolutely painful & emotionally devastating experience. Something like losing a parent as a young child. The trauma that comes from those events gives you literally no option but to go into your imagination to find some sort safety or protection from the world.

[@lukula2934]

Maybe... But ...Your fondness for superlatives is unsettling,(at least for this INFJ)..I'm not convinced that profound experience is required , or even involved in one's personality manifestations. While I didn't manage to avoid a substantial share of trauma, physical and emotional pain, betrayal, etc., it seems for me, to have validated my ability to sense the world as it really is. Beautiful and ugly, brilliant and dull, wondrous and banal. At 68 yrs, I've had to accept all manner of life's paradoxes. On her death bed, I confided that my mom didn't seem to pay as much attention to me as my other 6 siblings. She then related a story about a time when she was babysitting another toddler along with me. As she was ironing she watched the 2 of us playing with toys on the floor. She noticed that as I picked a toy the other kid would snatch it from me. She noticed that I just stared at the kid for moment and then picked up another toy, which was again snapped away. Another moment of intense observance, and then another toy is picked up, but this time as he grabbed for it, I whacked him on the head with it. He bursts into tears and I'm just content with my toy. My mom couldn't help but chuckle as she picked him up. She told me that she knew at that moment she wouldn't need to worry about me. (unlike some of my other siblings). This, to me, was quintessential NI dominant and empathic behaviour, and I think I've made my point.

[@biz8597]

@@lukula2934 this story resonates. Wow. im glad you confided in your mama. What a special memory she shared with you. Must’ve put your heart at peace

[@dr-nj4sq]

In my experience since I remember. I always seen and understand life in a inner intuitive way. Never had a very traumatic experience, only strange things like been aware of my dreams. Since I'm a kid I've been wondering about the big questions in life , and always had this thirst of understanding my self and reality. Biggest problem I've encountered in my life is explaining my self, or the information I process. It can be very hard to follow me because of the density of the information, complexity, abstraction, using creativity to play with ideas, my lack of words, or explanations in a non linear way, Its like a poetic way of chaining information. At the end you can see the connections but for the other person can be very hard to understand it, even visualize it. Usually that used to lead me to frustration, that's why I choose to remain quit most of the time (Depending of the listener) . I can say that the process It's more like a neural network, a ramification of ideas and internally understanding the connections from their different aspects, or layers. Plus always had the ability to observe things, situations from a 3rd person perspective, like putting my self in all possible perspectives to understand something in all possible situations which can be almost impossible to explain or hard to achieve (At the beginning) without falling in illusory imaginary fantasy's, but gave me a lot of compassion, or anger in some cases. Strangely my intuitions are correct most of the time. its like a prediction mechanism that makes people uncomfortable. Of course is great to bring logic to the game, a systematic way of thinking to be able to talk to people. Mixing introverted intuition with worked logical way of thinking can bring you countless joys. (Sorry , English is not my first language)

[@HodsBroo]

@@dr-nj4sq are you Ti Ni or Fi Ni? Which type are you? Sounds like ISTP or INFJ

[@dr-nj4sq]

@@HodsBroo haven't done it. just started watching this videos because I was perplex of the information, described myself a lot. But I been working on the logic and thinking tools. again I had to WORK on them.

[@thepeacebuild]

After listening to this video, I realized that my thought process actually consists of simulations of reality. When I was younger I would let other people sit and do the talking because I could see into their own internal worlds and think to myself I am so far left I would change the whole trajectory of the discussion and direct too much attention to myself! Lol I used to think it was a curse that I kept to myself. But overtime I began to take the practice of meditation seriously to the point where I had the awareness to see clearly what was happening within my mind as an unconscious process. Eventually I learned how to create these simulations consciously that were more relevant to discussions to actually move the conversation forward rather than redirecting the entire nature of conversation. But at times this disruption is needed; especially in a society where there is a lot of groupthink and shallow thought. A lot of blind leading the blind. If you have this ability that I now see is my greatest gift, I encourage you to use it to push the progression of humanity forward and show others the realm of the mind is larger than they know! It's a strange and peculiar, vivid experience of being alive. Nothing is really weirder to me than that. So nothing that exists within it is too weird to express to my fellow man. I might as well use what I was given to explore life, explore my mind, my consciousness, create interesting art, and above all have fun in this mystical dream! I'm deeply grateful for this channel. It's helped me on my journey of self actualization! Keep doing your thing personality hacker!! Have a blessed day everybody!

[@danielmcdonald5864]

I find it so very interesting the distinction made here between having compassion and having empathy where empathy is a vehicle into compassion but compassion itself doesn't rely solely on empathy ( or even at all) for it's existence. It's as if empathy is defined as compassion plus validation, almost.

[@chasingtheunknown3763]

Buddhism has compassion as a core tenet of its teaching. I think Ni is more attuned with the universal truth making them more detached. Like how Buddhists are. Empathy/emotions is just one of the content of human experience. Idk if that makes sense.

[@4everB2]

Brilliant podcast. As an INTJ it isn't easy to understand how you can contribute, as what you have to tell is often not well received. The response I got most often in my live is "you can't know that", the second is "you were right" (which doesn't make my happy contrary to what you might think).

[@SqueakyIri]

I’ve read and watched many descriptions of Ni, and most of them don’t touch on Ni’s ability and desire to view/adopt different perspectives. Sure, they get that Ni is adept at forecasting future trends, finding patterns across time, and understanding the implications and hidden meaning behind things. But it's Ni’s ability to shift perspectives and thoroughly understand them that makes everything else possible.

[@RoopaDudleyPaintings]

I as an INTJ use my "Mind's Eye" - the simulated process to make decisions everyday. Yes, thinking through dispassionately has saved my marriage and possibly the future of my children.

[@aresp2707]

Ni users MUST study extensively and LEARN. In order to keep from being manipulated and being overly sensitive to their environment. You must have some real sense of what is possible and real. In order to keep your imagination from running off to the races with you. In turn, making you look like a crazy person. When you have hunches. Sometimes your "hunches"... can be RIGHT... but you need more of a background than... Beyonce or Little Wayne, put it in a song or something... so it must be True. Sorry, friend... but that's "not"... going to work. I have to tell this to my friend CONSTANTLY. She means well. Lol But I just have to keep telling her, to get some more information. Then it will help you to make more "Sense" out of what undertones you are able to pick up on. Lots and LOTS of Information is "Crucial" for BANGING Introverted Intuition. I see everything... i just don't say anything about it. Because people don't listen anyway. I wait, until I KNOW... that I can prove it or make a difference with it. Besides that... I'm 🤫🙊🤐. Unless we are about to crash... then I don't ask for permission... I only ask for Forgiveness... But AFTER I "Take" action...😅

[@jasoncg2956]

Exactly what I wanted to add. I had recently been very involved with allowing (more like forcing) myself to develop my other functions, and in the end, I came out a much more powerful person because of my ability to cross-check the reality of my ideas being capable of being projected into the real world. My intuition now is less like trying to open a door with an empty soda can but instead it has grown into a full-fledged battering ram to bust down the door of possibility.

[@BlairWaldorf2013]

Ni is about understanding the core of human functions whether that be mental, physical, emotional, etc. and then being able to project out into the universe the rational and logic outcomes of those functions in a given situation. It is essentially being Professor X and always seeing the outcome before everyone else in the room does and fighting with oneself to *not* say anything lest you might totally alter a path in ways that aren’t for the best for said parties involved. Sometimes as an INTJ I find someone who can ‘keep up’ but most times I can’t and that’s why most INTJs are solitary because our minds are moving soooooo fast and it both scares and angers most other types to around someone who seemingly is always accurate in their estimation of the world and society!

[@sethdayton8076]

I'm a bit late to you here but I wanted to respond anyway along the path of finding people who keep up is interesting I'm and INTJ as well and I have one friend who truly keeps up and he's an INTP and I wanted to ask you a question if you found these people what types are they?

[@sethdayton8076]

@@jeremyjackson7429 funnily enough when the covid stuff started and we saw the writing on the wall I predicted the blm stuff in America I could see the rising tension people who aren't used to being alone with theyre thoughts when they get to thinking they dunning Krueger hard and find themselves believing they see the world as it is

[@susankievman642]

As an ENTJ, I do, and always have talked out loud to myself when I am focused on something or trying to solve an issue. Always try to do it only when I am alone, but sometimes I am overheard! Introverted intuition is my second function, and I feel I am very good at predicting outcomes, consequences of ones actions, and having alternative plans if the one I’m on isn’t headed in the right direction. I can tell you that many other don’t want to hear my predictions into the future, because it goes against what they “feel” like doing. It’s frustrating

[@LaniBanani]

I hear ya NT cousin (ENFJ).

[@grumpyschnauzer]

Oh my! Thank you for speaking about the “meta” view... and how it’s not really about “good or bad” or about the characters... it’s about the concept as a whole and systems. It makes it easier to identify the interruptions in the system, single them out, and work through them. This is difficult when in conflict with loved ones because I want us to look at both our parts in the relationship system and how we can work with our weaknesses but this can be perceived as “attacking” from the other person because not everyone is ready to look at themselves. I am! Because I want to fix and move forward. The more times I have to keep coming back to the same problem the more I accept there might not be any potential here to invest in... that could be bad perspective to have for relationships.

[@traceydrake8013]

Oh, I love this! Specifically in regards to dispassionate empathy and you NPs, I've often experienced NPs as very UNempathetc and caught up in themselves. As I've learned about the types and Fi it makes much more sense but initially, the impression was that the empathy that comes from "how I would feel" is very small and very confined to who one is and the way one has experience the world that created their own neuro patterns. To me, engaging in someone else's emotional experience has, literally, *nothing* to do with me or *my* emotional experience. If it does, then it's not, in fact, unadulterated empathy. It's really just another self experience. It's funny to me that this removing the contamination of my own emotional experience in order to engage in another's comes across as cold.

[@grumpyschnauzer]

The most satisfying scene for Ni is in V for Vendetta when he tips off the first domino and it goes through the chain stopping on both sides at one domino intercepting the process.

[@6jefferson]

One perspective I am currently working on is the de-esculation of conflict. When I am in a situation of moderate actual or potential conflict I have the opportunity to defuse at least in my mind for the benefit of myself and others. However, if the conflict is too strong or my energy runs out things become difficult.

[@6jefferson]

Person of Interest is another good example of Ni running simulations for the greater good.

[@carlospaulino405]

I've noticed that when I'm having a conversation, there's a disconnect because I'm like 5 steps ahead, talking about things that can happen if we continue on a certain situation, and the other person hasn't thought that far ahead. We end up talking about totally different things and we're confused until I realize and retrace my steps. It's frustrating sometimes.

[@talitaza8862]

Yes! Even with people with Ni in their stack. My closest friend is an Esfp (Ni inferior) and this is a constant frustration to me. Tracing back my steps isn't that easy and I often completely forget where I came from and I then sound totally illogical and wrong... 🙈 For me, trying to explain complex ideas in a linear fashion to someone with little understanding of a subject is worse than pulling teeth.

[@judysherfey2283]

Well you guys sure described me...it feels affirming and kinda kreeepie. Kinda personal, too. Fun even-in a dry sense. Ya’ nailed it: subscribed! I find that our society needs our abilities more than ever yet listens less. We probably have less skill in our simulations as would artists who ever live and display our paintings in a math lab. Our assumptions remain at odds with the ethos of our culture.

[@stevedavenport1202]

Yes, predicting future threats is how I often use my Ni This is why I am so fascinated by black swan scenarios like super volcanos, asteroid impacts, etc. I have even used my Ni to consider why and/or how an alien civilization would engage us and how far away they would be (within about 100 light years) I have used it to figure out how to overcome entropy on a multi trillion year time line (by artificially inducing new mini verses) My favorite Ni day dream is to run a simulation on how a fully automated economy would work and how people would adapt. Another overlooked facet of introverted intuition is quality. INJs have an amazing gift of discerning between quality continums that run from dreadful to the Holy G.rail of any particular category, be it food, cars.

[@jenhickle725]

I’m an INFJ and Ni is indeed is like a superpower that most people don’t see. Thankfully, it is very useful as a business coach and now I get to use it almost daily! I feel like Superman: a dorky journalist who occasionally turns into Superman.

[@Tammy763]

This was four years ago and as an INFJ this is 🎯 especially the part of finding the perspective that makes me happy! Lost my parents at 5 and let’s just make it short and say life was painful and very disappointing…

[@adamlemons7674]

Intj reminds me of pain in naruto..how his whole deal was it was impossible for peace to exist because people cant understand and feel the pain of another. "My pain is far greater than yours" Pain

[@miloszaric4334]

"Ever complex problems" my thoughts exactly when I was 10 and chose Ni as my hero

[@6jefferson]

I find that as I progress, I need to integrate more cognitive functions further down the stack. Things are becoming more fluid. Te is helping me coordinate intuitive and feeling functions.

[@klo433]

I am and INFJ, and it is hard to relate even for me what IN truly is. I think you guys did a great job describing it. As my main function I am always aware of how much information my subconscious is absorbing while I am out and about and it can be really draining depending on the situation. I think your description of intuition as a cerebral approach is correct, sometimes I feel I can abstracts and simulate so many scenarios that it can feel like I can backdoor my way into other functions as if they were my secondary or tertiary functions, but that might be more like mimicry. It makes it so that I'm versatile in skill set but I do feel dispassionate in general about anything other than my main functions. I can see in retrospect how this can be hard for others to deal with and understand.

[@AmayIia]

32:50 Curse your observativeness Joel! 🤭 But more seriously, I thinking finding a perspective where you're happy isn't quite how I would word it… I'd describe it more like finding a perspective where you're content. It's a small difference, but an important one, I think. And like Antonia said later.. it can also lead to a state of complacency, but I've found that when I get into a state like that, anxiety usually helps me break out of it. The way anxiety often works for me is that it wells up in the back of my head until I start to feel so anxious that I _have_ to do something to alleviate the sense of impending doom that complacency often leads to. The negative feelings of the brain I think are often discounted, but they really are important for us to have... and no one said otherwise, it's just me thinking out loud and making an observation, I guess.

[@OldmanModo]

late comment but whatever. As an INTJ I think its worth sharing my perspective on the apparent "lack of empathy" mentioned in the understanding of others perspectives. Personally i think you are wrong when saying compassion is needed for true understanding, you don't need to "feel" the other's feelings to understand how those feelings relate to the situation they are in and contextualize the causality of how that leads to their state of mind. What I've found is that it is generally very easy to depersonalize any theoretical scenario, to the point where I can hold various beliefs about a topic based on the view point I decide to invoke to justify said opinion or understanding. The lack of emotional attachment or more so the lack of reliance on an emotional justification to form an opinion is difficult for other types to understand I think. Having feeling is fine and makes sense, but one shouldn't need to express them or actively be experiencing them to be able to understand a perspective or motivation. I think Joel failed to realize that there is often truly no emotion needed to understand a perspective. How I "feel" about something doesn't affect my ability to be able to imagine a different feeling with ease. Better yet just simply remove oneself entirely from the thought experiment and have no personal emotional investment go into the attempt at understanding a perspective. Almost as if I creates a temporary imagined persona that isn't me so need not hold any of my views, like a blank slate, that can then facilitate the new perspective with the emotional baggage bla bla bla that that persona would need to be in the same "head space" as the actual real life person I'm trying to understand. After all introverted intuition to me isn't always about how I feel about all the information I'm presented but rather deconstructing it until I can understand it all from as wide a scope as possible. How I felt about any of that information is a fleeting gut reaction which then gets put to the side and is largely ignored unless it becomes necessary to address it. The actual "feeling" part is less of a prolonged event and more of a momentary experience that if anything itself gets dissected to see the cause of that reaction to see if it was justified to begin with and what it means and so on. You dont need to "feel" to understand somebody's point of view, not if you understand all the principles of said feeling and can simply layer that information over all the other context you are provided. You can then come to what's far more likely to be a less bias and more well thought out conclusion as to what to do about the situation.

[@davidhenry6273]

I am an Ni and I really appreciate your discussion. Parts don't always feel right, but your perspectives (pardon the pun) are very well thought out. In terms of TV series, the ones you spoke of don't resonate with me much. While drugs in Baltimore or future dystopia (Black Mirror) are somewhat fascinating, they do not make me feel good. Don't get me wrong, I love high drama and great acting, but if any series does not make me feel good in some way, or if there is no hero saving the day, I lose interest. In my mind, I think "Why am I spending my time with so much darkness?" Problems should have a resolution. Another thing of interest is that I am basically a stoic, and I have noticed that lots of Ni folks are also, naturally. One premise that helps me deal well with the world is the concept of control. The Stoics say that if you can't control something, then the best way to deal with it is indifference. Your friend in a bad marriage did that. She could simply change her perspective and be in a state of well-being, thus discarding her judgment about her spouse and finding other directions for gaining happiness.

[@lesliekay11]

I always look forward to your podcasts!! Joel & Antonia you ROCK!

[@donellandrews3990]

I use it to protect people. Thats my career. Its all its good for. You young people are cute. Thank you.

[@elviedagondon7334]

Ni-Fe. Are you an INFJ?

[@NB-qy7ku]

9:10 validation 9:38 compassion 21:07 black mirror show on Netflix

[@kcinc9574]

Ah ha! Thanks Joel for the comments regarding prospective jumping and understanding without empathy. I will say that I also depersonalize everything and didnt think it might be a problem when dealing with people and their stories. Now I get why I haven't been as effective as I've wanted to be. I think people must see me as an imposter rather than one of them. Is this true? hmmm.

[@gnpahdc]

INFJ Enneagram 9 male here. No empathy? Not at the instance you describe, as we build an accurate model first (structure, function, etc) and then hang your personal data or information on that model - and there you go, we get you. What you sense is that it's amoral and objectively accurate in our building of the understanding. Here's a challenge: tell the INFJ you want to pour your guts out, be heard at depth, and joined with empathically BEFORE you tell the narrative, and see what you get in terms of empathy THEN.

[@claudiamanta1943]

9:24 Re validation. I know. I, too, need to be ‘seen’ and ‘loved for who I am’. That warm space in which two people just listen to and see each other, suspending the noise in their heads to make space for the other… It’s a matter of respect… and it’s an almost aesthetic experience- not just see, not just hear, not just feel what the other feels, but behold HIM/HER in their entirety which stands on the threshold between the intelligible and The Sacred Mystery. It’s like beholding The Divine. Being with somebody is exactly like entering The Holy of Holies. You leave the shoes outside, walk in barefooted, and only after you wash off the impurities of the world (your preconceptions) you step in into the meeting place with reverence. And it’s dark to your eyes accustomed to the external bright lights, and it’s a deep silence to your ears accustomed to external and your own internal noises. But you see and hear better there, as your very soul meets another soul, beyond any thoughts and any cognitive models. You see and hear the tears of the other like drops of water falling into a cave’s lake, you see how they’ve melted and carved the walls. You hear their joy like laughter or a whisper of a smile that passes on the surface of the place they inhabit painting images on the walls of the house where their soul resides. I was trying to find the right word to describe it, but all the dictionary entries fail miserably to convey the sense of this (Romanian language) word- ‘sfiala’. It’s an approximation of ‘timidity and reverence’ but without the associated ideas of shyness, weakness, or fear. It’s incommunicable… though I’m hoping that you get the feeling or the idea. I cannot communicate because of the impassable chasm between conceptual worlds. Each person and each community have their own. Most live in very ugly houses that their cultures have provided for their souls. I sat in many ugly houses listening to people’s pain (both literally and figuratively). Souls covered in psyche layers made ill by the mould and darkness of the social estate houses they live in. My heart cannot take it any longer. I’ve tried. It cannot be done. Nothing would work. Why? Because others understanding of a different, more constructive, perspective doesn’t lead to any change. To understand something and to want to do something are very different things. There is a vicious circle between cognition and volition. It’s a total disharmony. And yes, I know that in practice, technically, it can be done. For example, I feel admiration and disgust, peppered with fright when I watch adverts. If one can make people buy expensive stuff they don’t need and it’s downright bad for them, surely someone could have created something similar for people’s benefit. But the will is not there and will never be there. Last but foremost, it’s objectionable on moral grounds. I will NEVER manipulate somebody, not even for their own benefit. Never- ever. It’s a matter of values. The ultimate value is life. Not just being alive, but living with dignity. I will never infringe on somebody’s free will because that’s part of their dignity which is part of the all- encompassing and all- permeating Life. Most think that the ends justify the means, but this is an absolute non- starter for me. It’s totally pointless for me to even try to communicate with such people. It’s a waste of time. And it’s painful and frustrating. It’s very difficult for me emotionally to say all this because I’m not usually wearing my heart on a sleeve to be spat on yet again. Another reason for which I don’t do it often and definitely not publicly is that when I do, usually people take offence though that’s not my intention (I TRULY hope you won’t). Take your paradigm which is super- intelligent, super- analytical, and using a computational framework. I can use it to communicate with you, but it feels extremely uncomfortable. Why? It’s not my operating system (lol). It disregards the whole, the bigger picture, and it can way too easily lead to seeing people as robots that can be programmed. ‘Can’, therefore ‘will’, and to the most tragic ‘should’. You probably wouldn’t consciously use it to manipulate people, but most would. If you see an individual as an object defined by its properties (immanent or emergent within a cybernetic psychological system), you will use it like you use a hammer, a frying pan, or toilet paper, or ‘just’ study it with a cold scientific attitude (which leaves the door open to cruelty and other abuses in the name of science). For example, someone could easily use it as a reframed Cognitive Behavioural Therapy; that would be objectionable on moral grounds (as an attempt to deceit, lack of honesty) and of a debatable effectiveness. It did hurt to hear that being an INFJ or INTJ is ‘needed’. I don’t want to be ‘needed’, I want to be loved. And if I can’t be loved, at least I want to have only one part of what it means to be loved- be respected. But my definitions of ‘love’ and ‘respect’ are not in fashion and others don’t share them, anyway. I’m agonising with sorrow witnessing the dusk of humanity. Literally. I wish I could write poetry and sing it. Art as conduit for morality and Beauty is the only thing that could have saved it. I’m sorry it’s a long and probably ridiculous comment, so I would understand if it got deleted.

[@emily-clibourn]

As an intj, Ni basically compartmentalizes everything into boxes. Categorizes in order to analyze everything quickly from a high level. Making objective sense of everything. Often when other people speak or tell stories or describe in detail I get frustrated and want them to get to the point.

[@SpyridonJohn1633]

Ni user here. INFJ. What you've said about [at least me] is accurate. I love having Ni.

[@TheBananaDeanna]

Grateful for your Podcast! In agreement invrovertered intuition with compassion can help!

[@EqualityOnEarth]

Great podcast! Thank you guys

[@chasingtheunknown3763]

being given attention this long and with this depth. it's making me tear up. lol, though we truly understand the lack of appreciation and can be okay with it bc what we can do? we still need to be validated haha. thank you for this. this is awesome!

[@thewoundedhealer4950]

It’s unpleasant to be an Ni dominant and have a well-developed Ti. Fe is in my opinion not possible without a certain level of creating a much needed amount of chaos.

[@ArcanumArcanorum17]

It sure is

[@ho8464]

Ni sees far down the line of dominos

[@mhdsamouri5673]

Surprisingly i am watching the series the wire is amazing shoe different way from other detective shows

[@xaisthoj]

The Color of the sky can be measured with a spectrograph and represented mathematically in a Fourier series. However I will let the INTPs do the actual math.

[@svetu9411]

I disagree with the origins of Ni. I think it nit only doesn't serve an evutionary, survival function, but it comes from absence dor need of survival, basically safety and boredom where the mind is dreamier. I could be wrong of course, haven't thought it through. Robin Williams, RIP became the person we know because as a kid he was left alone in a house and pmayed with dolls or something. IDK if that's Ni but he plays characters because he sees them. Also, wild animals when thwy are safe stary to behave differently, become more empathetic and creative. I don't feel very strong about my reasoning but it's just as valid of a theory as the 1 put forth here.

[@wolfdna788]

At the end when Mrs Dodge said am I an a****** I actually pictured an a****** INTJ

[@tm27field]

Lmao I’m an infj and I have word for word said the micro reflects the macro and vice versa

[@davidpannell288]

Should've watched this a long while ago - very insightful. (Ich bin INFJ)

[@joahchewbhaka5679]

The analogy of the caveman made a lot of sense to me.

[@charles2241]

About my mention below of the air vent thing? I watched X-Files Ghost in the Machine episode at lunch today, and sure enough, Scully was crawling through a building's air vent system. That's twice in a row I mention that on youtube, and within 18 hours in this case, I encounter a blu-ray with that on the episode, and in the other case within thirty minutes I think it was, in the original incident. Like I said, this stuff is weird. If I were superstitious, I wouldn't mention this on youtube anymore, because I'm getting tired of it happening. And these sort of incidents aren't confined to this one subject either. Naturally, not everything I mention on youtube is played on a disc within twenty four hours of my mentioning it, but this is a bit beyond the realm of mere chance.

[@meowtank]

That's very interesting, I think introverted intuition does happens upon these coincidences you described very often because of the nature of it being interconnecting between things in our minds, like a giant web. I also have had this sort of thing happen to me constantly throughout my entire life, and it recently has helped me to keep conversations going because I can think of similar topics or stories that are related to what is going on presently, or perhaps related to the previous day's events (or perhaps years ago, time is not a constraint in this I believe). To others it all seems random and they don't usually see the connections or why it matters, so I really do think Ni has a lot to do with our ability to see and feel these connections crystal clear and with intensity beyond explanation. I've personally stopped myself when I start seeing stuff like this because I've had too many incidents where I drove myself crazy with it and got others involved in the probably untrue connections I was being surrounded by... Anyway, as long as you remain chill it shouldn't be that weird to other people :D

[@charles2241]

@@meowtank I attribute it more directly to pattern recognition. But the ones I describe, are so blatantly obvious, that it would seem you have no need of any special abilities to see them. But as you know, for people that believe only in crude matter, there's no convincing them, unless it happens to them, and then they're probably losing their minds over it, if it did occur. My only problem is for the most part coincidences appear to do no "direct" good, as they don't warn me of anything usually, etc. It's almost as though they come to solidify my belief in Divine Providence, that it shows that's how much of a grip that God has on things, particular to each individual. You know, the old Biblical text about not a sparrow falls to the ground without His consent. Yes, it's not hard to remain chill so to speak, because I don't see a lot of 'direct' purpose in most of them. One series of events which was VERY screwy, including a program starting on it's on, in thumbnail (which I never use) before I even logged onto my computer that morning, was the second event in a string of events that led me to find out the name of the girl I lost decades ago, since we were quite in love. I just wanted to know her name once I seen a youtube video. I go to bed, turn off the computer, then next morning turn it back on, and that SAME VIDEO starts playing before I even logged on, on my desktop, in thumbnail, and it has a message for me, basically telling me it will see me the next morning (it was sub-text on the video, because the speaker was speaking in japanese). I saw the ENTIRE video the night before, so why does it start at like the 14:30 mark? I mean I'm just walking around in the house, and all of the sudden I hear voices, which was that video. This weird unexplainable incident (I've been in IT for a VERY long time, and I've never seen anything like this even remotely happen) and a later coincidence, convinced me to look for my long lost girl without even knowing her name. Sounds impossible, right? But I found her. Now it's quite obvious what those coincidences were meant to do, but like I said about the air vent thing, it seems to have no direct purpose, and has a more general purpose if anything. One thing that does strike me as rather a bit more peculiar, is it seems as if a lot of the coincidences involve me writing on youtube, but also what my dvds and blu-rays I watch at lunch and dinner. That computer thing I spoke about though, I'm still scratching my head as to how that happened. I hadn't logged onto the computer, so I didn't start up my browser, yet there it was playing in a size I had never played before. You know what too? It was the obvious crucial step in the entire series of events, because if it didn't happen in such a screwy way, say it started on a regular session on it's own, once I started my browser, I just would had brushed it aside most likely and gone about starting my usual net activity. It still would be unusual since I didn't click on it, but MS Edge can 'sometimes' load the sites you were watching the night before, AFTER you logged on, and AFTER you started the browser. The video that was playing? It was a youtube video about a woman looking for a long lost friend of hers in Japan, but she had the benefit of knowing the lady's maiden name, I didn't even have that. Naturally, no video the size of a postage stamp has ever started up on it's own, before login, before that day, or since. So it clearly wasn't some weird hack or something. My computer is excessively steady, and how that happened I just can't begin to imagine.

[@billkress2606]

Margaret Atwood + insatiable curiosity + Ni = The Handmaid's Tale

[@grogroge]

14:23 introverted intuition is a simulation of extroverted sensing....with the use of imagination ?

[@vijaysundarrajan1785]

Nope. Extroverted Sensing gives the data, No finds the patterns within that data, then puts all the patterns together as one giant pattern.

[@grogroge]

Yes that's what I said, data are gathered or sensed inside the simulation and it's automatically finding pattern... I'm no expert.

[@vijaysundarrajan1785]

@@grogroge The point I am trying to make is that you don't need a literal simulation to find those patterns. In other words, Ni is just evolved Ne. Ne sees many small patterns, which Ni sees as one big pattern.

[@charles2241]

How about the intuition of having a great many coincidences befall you? A few months back, I was so tried of it, and as I was talking on youtube about a movie, criticizing the Hollywood trope of people crawling through air vents the size of a human being to crawl through. I said it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the episode I watch at dinner in a little bit, would have somebody crawling through an air vent in it. Sure enough, that happened, or close to it anyway, as somebody was "standing" in an ordinary sized air vent (Space Ghost had been shrank to mere inches, and flew into the vent). And to top it all off, the only reason I spoke to this guy about coincidences at all (it's still on youtube) was because he said coincidences such as the movie showing a minor one, don't happen. So how do you like that? I counter his coincidences don't happen stance, with a bit of my own, and I had been going through such a rash of them, that I made a close prediction about what my next episode have as an oddity in it? But that's the way it is. I just knew, as much of a big deal as I was making about it, it's really not a surprise that I would immediately run into that on the episode, and therefore, another coincidence. I actually didn't want it to happen either, so with two choices I had, I picked the one I thought least likely to have it, because I was sick of it, and sure enough, making the worst pick couldn't stop it. The other pick? When I got around to seeing that one, it had nothing to do with air vents.

[@grumpyschnauzer]

Definitely could not watch violent stuff... I’d have nightmares every night! 😆 Also, we try to keep Ni hidden on purpose... you’d have to be a close person to us in order for us to feel comfortable enough to share some of those introverted visions. The only undesirable aspect of Ni is course correcting... that’s a painful process.

[@tobiastracy136]

"End the Drug war" -Donald J Trump Chicago tribune interview 1991

[@peterpaul3166]

Me listening to the end in 2020 😶

[@luminouswolf7117]

As above So below Referring to 27 mins in as you describe what ni is looking at The pattern of the pattern of people in that instance

[@BrandonMcCurry999]

It's so strange And I know it And I'm not the only one that knows it Many don't even know it exists It can literally look like insanity unless you pay attention over time

[@BrandonMcCurry999]

It's not common Dom ni It's mentioned in the video

[@BrandonMcCurry999]

Look at the things Without saying or defining what they are "I see this"

[@BrandonMcCurry999]

Why that It's cold To not want a thing to be different But to see it A tree "is" regardless of you wanting it to be there

[@BrandonMcCurry999]

I "see" without wanting anything I state what I see And most infer

[@jonwells9834]

"In this episode, Joel and Antonia go on a journey of discovery where they showcase the need for positively expressed [Introverted Feeling] in today's world." ... *Introverted Intuition, you mean? : D Thanks as always for sharing the podcasts on KZbin.

[@PersonalityHackerPodcast]

Ha! Thanks for pointing that out, we'll take care of it. :p -A-

[@jonwells9834]

@@PersonalityHackerPodcast It is the least I can do! I have learned and grown so much from listening to you both. (and also, once I noticed it I couldn't un-see it. I even began to second guess the contents of the video due to that little voice saying "Are you sure they aren't talking Fi?" lol)

[@Ghwudse]

Do you have an email I can leave my thoughts. I subscribed but seem to have a problem receiving updates to my comments. That is my lack of skills;)

[@alexwelts2553]

The knights that say NI

[@jarrodyuki7081]

yes intj entj infj enfj.................

[@holdingthings1001]

Why should I not use my introverted intuition to manipulate others to get what I want? Not only would others barely notice what I've done, but I also believe they are morally culpable for falling victim to my manipulation.

[@jasondelay2931]

So. Let’s be clear. Se, extroverted sensing, has no idea of the other functions. You both are Se in this conversation. Sure, you used intelligent jargon, but none of it lined up to an intellectual observation. “I’m smart”. Okay you win “I said something usable”. Absolutely not. Failed.

[@peterpaul3166]

This episode is so Ne cringy, tho