Why Things are Getting Worse for the SNP

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Recent controversies and factional in-fighting have seen the SNP fall behind Labour in the polls for the first time in years. So why is this? In this video, we break down the three reasons why 2024 could be a very tough year for the SNP in Scotland.
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1 - www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news...
2 - www.ft.com/content/943b627c-f...
3 - www.newstatesman.com/ns-inter...
4 - www.scottishdailyexpress.co.u...
5 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Un...
6 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Sc...
7 - www.thenational.scot/news/240...
8 - www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/...
00:00 Introduction
01:09 Operation Branchform
02:49 Party Unity
05:02 SNP Polling
06:28 Conclusion
06:59 Incogni

[@napoleonfeanor]

The SNP's unity has always been mainly focused on independence. If they ever get it, the party will break up because of big differences in all other fields.

[@Necrokhanthemad]

That's what many of their voters expect and are fine with. They are a means to an end.

[@rbdogwood]

I prefer when to if, and when we do that is fine and won't surprise anyone. The SNP is an amalgam of left of centre voters and candidates who want independence. I think it will hold together in spite of the vast majority of our media being right wing, unionist, pro conservative, pro westminster and anti Scottish.

[@otakuofmine]

that was always apparent and its okay, cause than they served their purpose.

[@steamer1]

Political Spectrum Disorder

[@soccerguy325]

Sounds like Republicans with abortion lmao

[@Moray2023]

Honestly the SNP have been skating on the independence argument for way to long now. Scotland seriously needs to start demanding a higher level of competence from it's politicians. We need politicians who can either exploit our position within the UK better and prove the benefits we get out of it, or build a much stronger country before even thinking of independence so it's not half arsed and screws everyone over.

[@6chhelipilot]

By "exploit" do you mean: To get more subsidies from English tax-payers? Oh, and good luck with the "much stronger" effort. lol

[@Moray2023]

@@6chhelipilot No I mean push more for projects that will benefit the UK as a whole to be built in Scotland. For example RAF Lossiemouth is getting lots of upgrades, why not invest in a new Navy base within the Moray Firth. That part of the country is struggling financially aside from whisky and it's a great place for defence so why not?

[@raellawrence7116]

​@@6chhelipilotenjoying the roads paid for by Scottish oil, are you?

[@anthonyferris8912]

It's popped oil! 😂

[@jaixzz]

​@@6chhelipilot Dues from petroheads means -- its the other way around -- as any youn knows

[@alanonmain]

As a Canadian I watch the SNP story with fascination as it mirrors our own Québec (Patri Québécois, Bloc Québécois) story. These types of parties are generally united only by their quest for independence. As such their base runs from the far left to the far right on all other issues. The feuding is inevitable especially when the main goal is only a distant dream.

[@DailyKaizen]

Canada was created by the will of both the assemblies of lower and upper Canada whereas Scotland had its sovereignty stolen from them from Westminster in 1707 when the Scottish Legislature was dissolved and disbanded is that correct?

[@chaosPneumatic]

@@DailyKaizen If my knowledge of history is correct, the Scottish legislature was fully culpable to this arrangement in order to deal with debts accrued by a failed attempt at colonialism. Of course the Scottish public was 100% against it, but this was the era when public opinion was ignored in favor of the upper class property owners.

[@jonathanrotem251]

@@DailyKaizen The Sottish Parliament dissolved itself and asked to enter into a union with England after independent Scotland tanked its own economy and needed a bailout. In 2014, this union won a referendum, So no need to paint our faces blue and yell "freedom".

[@Sam-eq9bu]

Out of curiosity, is Quebec regarded as a Country? The United Kingdom is made of 4 separate countries, each with their own identities (although Englishness and Britishness are very similar). I always thought Canada and it's people see themselves as one country

[@fitzstv8506]

Independence may be a distant dream for Quebec but it has a very real chance of being the reality for Scotland.

[@callumm9236]

I do feel another reason is that Scots realise that the SNP are unable to do much in the UK Parliament. Their main policy is Scottish independence, something they’ve been unable to accomplish in the UK government. I wouldn’t be surprised if the SNP still remains as the largest party in the Scottish Parliament, as they have a lot more power and can pass (generally) popular policies.

[@spartanx9293]

Honestly to my knowledge it seems the snp doesn't really have a plan Post-independence because Scotland can't rejoin the e. U. They don't qualify for it and an independent Scotland will be broke and largely under the thumb of what's left of the u. K

[@saddoncarrs6963]

A strong SNP showing in the UK parliament does a lot for the Scots. The SNP is the third largest party and therefore allocated at least 2 questions during PMQs - and you can be sure both those questions will relate to Scotland. Also, a strong SNP showing is a strong constant reminder to the UK government that they can't take Scotland as a "given" when it comes to membership of the union. The SNP keep Scotland on the map.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

​@@saddoncarrs6963a "strong" SNP has no problems stealing from the tax payer and promoting a racist to be leader. Maybe that's not so good but you'll vote for it anyway because they're dangling "independence" in front of you.

[@Joe-og6br]

People don't care about PMQs.

[@alanbrown9178]

@@Joe-og6br I disagree.

[@Ivarius321]

I feel like you were repeating the same information quite often in this video

[@Necrokhanthemad]

He was, it's the same with every SNP bad news video they do, it's the same two or three points and it really feels like they are just trying to convince you that it's worse than it is.

[@transient_]

@@Necrokhanthemad Or it is filler to pad the length of the video, as for repeating the same info It wasn't extreme, IMO.

[@jackrussell3755]

got to get that ad revenue tbf

[@ido5139]

He seems more concerned with Gaza than Glasgow. Classic "look over there!" tactic of a useless populist politician

[@davidty2006]

hmmm oddly enough SNP focus in PMQ's as of late hasn't been around scotland at all..

[@lynxfresh5214]

Glasgow was once the 2nd the city of the British isles, one of the major economic and cultural hubs of Europe and quite the industrial powerhouse. Even after it's decline Glasgow always had massive potential but it's being held back by it's crippling drug and gang problem (that most Scots are aware of but don't talk about) as well as the typical incompetence of politicians (regardless of the party).

[@Farming-Technology]

Is it cultural appropriation when he wears tartan?

[@RH1812]

Standard example of one party being in power for too long and depending on a single leader

[@PYDPIPER]

Unlike the 14 years the tories have been in and can't make up their mind who the leader should be.

[@nnkk7742]

Politicians need to be constantly scrutinized. It's guaranteed that there is fraud going on at all times. If it's not being found then the overseers are not in place or are complicit.

[@PaxTemplar]

i'd rather put it as all politicians are asshats. some are less ass flavoured and some more.

[@Jabberstax]

The SNP and Tories made the same mistake by putting an unelected minority in charge.

[@PaxTemplar]

there's a HUGE difference in 1 change without an election unlike the tories who have had 5. BIG difference kid

[@user-uf6mv9kn5u]

There should be a control in place for this type of upheaval in which it goes straight to an election with only a caretaker PM until that point which would create a better democratic process - Boris Johnson was unfortunately elected so unsure how this is 5 however… after him was Liz and very soon was then Rishi. This is 2 following an elected PM.

[@PaxTemplar]

@@user-uf6mv9kn5u or have it so they stand in pairs like the US in that they stand to be elected as Prime minister and Deputy Prime Minister then it falls back to the Deputy? Nicola, to be fair, did win elections in her own right to be 1st minister. and humza , if he's still leader, will have to prove his appeal at the ballot box at that election too. I absolutely agree that there should be something in place that's much more solid rather than have a "caretaker" i think the PM DPM combo is a better choice

[@spokes1018]

I was thinking of coming over the border from England with the wife, not sure if she has to wear a head covering.

[@Cunnysmythe]

Is Yousaf actually popular at all in Scotland? He seems thoroughly unpleasant, authoritarian and lacks charisma

[@owenlindkvist5355]

He isn't.

[@TheAwillz]

Perfect for someone put in charge to break the independence movement

[@user-ho6ej5pu2x]

We never voted for him, nor would we ever , scots are not as stupid as he thinks ,

[@MrBoliao98]

How can a Pakistani be the leader of a nationalist party, and deride the 95% white population.

[@isabelstokes4042]

The fact that he took his oath in Hindi put a lot of people off him. We're Scottish, not Indian. He's also Muslim, which endears him to no-one at all, but his Christian fundamentalist opponent is much worse.

[@thescrout9831]

As a Scot, it baffles me how badly the SNP fucked up, they were praised for years when the tories across the border could barely run the UK, all the SNP had to do was not fuck it up and yet they did. we were given such a good opportunity to leave

[@xtieburn]

There is a race to the bottom and Labour are coming out the better of the major options in all races, by virtue of taking the lift instead of hurling themselves down the shaft.

[@JasonAtlas]

I wish you were wrong but ... Yeah.

[@lewisbaitup6352]

Labour is definitley racing to the bottom to, definitley not a party for the workers in any conceivable sense.

[@PaxTemplar]

you're quite wrong as far as Scotland goes. it's a lot more complex than you'd like to think.

[@aclark903]

How is Labour even a good option, let alone the best? They have bankrupted Brum & turned Scotland & London into Islamist fiefdoms..

[@TvTv-sj4cs]

dont ignore the fact that hamza yousaf said scotland is too white. great move, big brain

[@daviddevoy5966]

There is one critical difference between the SNP and the Tories. Starmer has moved Labour policy to appeal to Tory voters but he has done nothing to appeal to SNP supporters. So any surge in Scottish Labour MPs is likely to ge short lived.

[@Pikaling3408]

wait until Kate Forbes becomes leader of the SNP because it might not be short lived if she becomes leader.

[@TheAllybhoy]

I've said before, this could be the factor that swings independence. The SNP will take a hammering, but Starmer's policies will let Scottish voters see that under Labour or the Tories, nothing will ever change in Westminster. I'd expect a big reaction to that.

[@finlayjolliffe229]

@@TheAllybhoyNot sure they will see a hammering but the vote share will drop & enough in a few marginal seats to loose them, maybe?? The Scottish Electorate see Labour for what they are, the huge surge in Labour votes, I feel is vastly over hyped. Guess we just have to wait & see. It's a long road to an election in Autumn, though I feel May has a shot seeing the Tories are already stuffing glossy toilet paper through letterboxes.

[@daraorourke5798]

Why? She is well to the left of Starmer on economic issues. Like most Scottish ppl.

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

@@Pikaling3408 Kate Forbes lives near Me. She is fabulous hard working constituency MSP. Hugely popular in the community. Yes the state media attacked her on religion, as they do with every politician ! Oh wait, no they don’t actually.

[@TheAllybhoy]

The infighting is not too bad. Forbes was a popular and competent finance minister. Yusuf is seen by a lot of members as incompetent. That was the main dividing point rather than ideology like the Tories. Competence vs incompetence. The SNP members are generally on the same page politically apart from a few outliers like Forbes and Cherry. I think most of the big hitters in the party saw the election as a poison chalice as due to the fallout of the police investigation and Labour getting popular the next election was always going to be bad. For example, I've had people say to me that we have to vote Labour to remove the Tories in Westminster..which could lead to more Tories in Westminster as the SNP and Labour split the votes in seats the Tories could never have won normally. So Forbes only did well because of the lack of ability of the other candidates. Nobody decent wanted the role. A better analogy would be May and the Tories rather than Johnson and partygate. After the election, Yusuf will be blamed and Forbes will hardly figure in the consequent leadership race where someone like Flynn will win in a landslide. Then the party will be fully behind the leadership.

[@finlayjolliffe229]

Yusuf was allegedly Sturgeon's pick, I feel many Party members felt obliged to vote for him. I agree, better candidates stepped back from the leadership election. If the SNP maintain a large majority of seats then I see little happening to Yusuf, if they lose over a 1/3rd then he may find himself under pressure, more than that, for me he'll be toast, the knives will be out.

[@TheAllybhoy]

@@finlayjolliffe229 I think it more or less certain they will lose more than a third of their seats. As a party member, I'd probably have known if Yusuf was Sturgeon's pick. I really do feel that vote was hold your nose and vote for Forbes as a competent legislator, or vote against her backward beliefs for most members.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

May was actually reasonable enough as a parliamentarian. She just had a huge faction of crazies in the party.

[@TheAllybhoy]

@@unconventionalideas5683 My point is May was handed the PMship as it too was a poisoned chalice and the last one left in was May, who had to try get Brexit through the commons. No leader was going to survive that. Its the same with the SNP, anyone with a brain knew the Sturgeon thing would blow up and that the Tories had blown their load and Labour was in the ascendancy..leading to lost seats. Its no surprise that people like Flynn, Blackwood and Swinney never even entered the race.

[@debbiegilmour6171]

Labour doesn't need Scottish votes to win at Westminster. In fact, Scottish votes to labour are an absolute waste of time. First, we should vote for parties which actually look out for Scotland first and foremost (namely the SNP and Greens), and second, it's not our responsibility to, as I've heard some claim, save the UK/England from the Tories.

[@EdwinCraig-gl6nw]

Firstly, the SNP have actually been in power in Scotland since 2007, not 2011 as your intro stated Secondly, I know there are some parallels between the Conservatives in the UK, and the SNP in Scotland. However - the polls are consistent in the UK showing Labour about 20 points ahead. In Scotland, where there is much less polling, they show SNP / Labour about neck and neck. I would suggest thats actually pretty good for the SNP, considering all the other factos in play - and is VERY different to where the Conservatives position in the UK. Lastly, getting 25 seats as the MRP poll suggests, out of the 57 seats in Scotland is certainly a big drop from what the SNP currently hold, but it is still a big proportion of Scottish seats - and a much higher number than the SNP ever got prior to 2015.

[@thethrawnscotsman5260]

Polls mean nothing. They are taken by the opinion of the vast minority of the population. If we went by Polls we would be independent now. Results are what matter.

[@FikuKromoUzuFajrovulpon]

^ THIS! Seriously. TLDR News I'm not even a full SNP voter but I'm really not coming back to your videos again now. You're no different to all those papers you showed as your sources of SNP news, who all happen to intentionally have an anti-indepdance agenda. TLDR News just rattle on the same blind nonsense every time I see them talk of Scotland. Maybe come visit us one day before you speak of us again eh? 🤪 Enjoy the electricity we are providing you! Kthxbye! 🤣

[@handbanana4899]

I just feel bad for Scotland at this point. Even compared to the rest of the UK right now, the situation seems uniquely hopeless.

[@Bushflare]

You get who you vote for. 🤷‍♀

[@danielbagshawe7519]

As a resident of Northern Ireland, I promise it could be worse... Good luck brothers and sisters out there.

[@user-ho6ej5pu2x]

We scots are fighting back , his ass is out

[@regarded9702]

​@@danielbagshawe7519 at least your parliment is back now lol

[@saltzkruber732]

Being under English occupation for so long

[@warrenb243]

Who could of predicted putting a Muslim in charge would back fire?

[@c.gilliland8338]

Not arrested. questioned and released without charge.

[@Bushflare]

Arrested, questioned, released without charge. All three are true. Being arrested is not a condemnation of character, esp with a police force as corrupt as Scotland's.

[@conorc725]

Aye they conveniently skip over the actual facts when it comes to charges.

[@keithlordofalbascotland3371]

Guilty as f**k

[@TheAwillz]

@@Bushflareunless it’s a concerted effort by security services because Scottish independence threatens the trident system…

[@Bushflare]

@@TheAwillz How would that make it a condemnation of character…?

[@Ziffwolf]

Does campaign fraud by Tories (or vote leave in 2016) get even remotely the same level of scrutiny and consequences the SNP have faced for what is, at the national level, pocket change?

[@Bushflare]

"Um, actually the Tories are bad too!" Yeah, we know. We don't like them either. Turf out the SNP. Turf out the Tories. Worthless shitheels the lot of them.

[@justonecornetto80]

It's not about the amount, it's about the SNP's blatantly corrupt administration of Scotland.

[@auldfouter8661]

They're no use at running anything though. Ferry still being further delayed this month !

[@Nerdy4Life]

Yes, if anything the SNP have been the ones to avoid scrutiny.

[@franciscruickshank8794]

the ferry problem was created probably by mi5 dirty tricks dept who got some lackys to change the specifications after the ships were laid down ie i much larger engine ! this had nothing to do with the shipyard or SNP. !and these spooks are up to all there dirty tricks/false flag, from MI5 HQ,baron jacks residence edinburgh. ALBA GU BRATH @@auldfouter8661

[@CausallyExplained]

Yousaf is an awful politician

[@realkekz]

Uh oh stinky

[@KimSE4]

From what I understand he's a good human being, but not great as someone who either gets things done or inspires as a leader.

[@skellious]

He's much better than either of the idiots fighting for number 10

[@CausallyExplained]

@@skellious I doubt he is any better, he is a closet islamic fundamentalist.

[@babymonalisa]

I'd chose him over Sunak every day of the week.

[@cheesebiscuits6323]

1:34 it’s graphics like this that are the reason I watch TLDR

[@nicholasphillips2196]

Love how you feel the need for a video when in reality the picture for the video explained everything

[@hamishashcroft3233]

They are just so boring. No new policies, no vision, they just moan on about independence and things they accomplished like 15 years ago constantly. If they had an ambitious agenda and energy to actually make the country a better place I would be much more inclined to vote for them.

[@FikuKromoUzuFajrovulpon]

Ahh you remind me of that scene from Monty Python's Life of Brian. Aside from free pecriptions, free education, free bus travel for kids, elderly, and people with disabilities, stopping the unfair extra room fees imposed UK wide by Westminster, new hospitals, new schools, bridge fees scrapped, more nurses and police, ban on fracking, increase on green energy so high we EXPORT TO ENGLAND, higher employment, better healthcare performance than the rest of the UK, and all the other stuff.... but aside from all that... WHAT HAVE THE SNP EVER DONE FOR US!? 🤪

[@owenlindkvist5355]

Humza being leader of the SNP is just the cherry ontop of this disaster.

[@stepho9999]

Maybe Because no body has heard of the clan Yousaf ,and then the Nicola Sturgeon Money Scandal :

[@franciscruickshank8794]

do you mean BARONESS MONEY SCANDAL ?

[@MageRanger]

Looking up from England, SNP still better

[@Dmac-7558]

Get rid of Sheik Humza and his clan . There is no SNP now, only the Scottish Hamas party

[@franciscruickshank8794]

bolex u 🤡

[@markc7955]

Il still vote for them. Not necessarily about independence. I like their policies.

[@vickyingramnymann8543]

This investigation should have been done by an outside police force.

[@johnrosie9804]

Any criminal investigation in Scotland has to adhere to the prerequisites of Scots law, so not happening.

[@tjmarx]

I'm not a fan of SNP but polling numbers inside their swing value can not be seen as overtaking. Poll swing values don't ever go below 5 points, so Labour and SNP are definitely still inside the margin and it's way too close to say labour are ahead in polls.

[@owensquelch449]

think it also important to say practically no one likes Humza Yousaf. I live in an area that has changed from SNP to Conservative to SNP, and even people who didn't vote for SNP usually say they like Nicola Sturgeon or that she gives good speeches or something along those lines. However, I've not heard anything good about Humza Yousaf even from SNP supporters, quite frankly its always been negative if something is spoken about him.

[@gameofender4463]

That’s not surprising. He seems incredibly bland and robotic.

[@spartanx9293]

From what i've seen , that guy is more concerned with gaza than he is with scotland He also abused his power to get someone arrested when he was called racist

[@bretonneux3389]

@@gameofender4463 he's also a racist and a pakistani muslim identitarian who seems to look more at Scotland like a land to colonize than as his country. The guy has the balls to take his oath in urdu....How did they thought it was a good idea to have this guy as their face is really beyond me....i know that celtic nationalisms are traditionnally left-wing, but this goes really off the hook, and the SNP will get his well deserved slaughter in the ballot....

[@wotermelon_]

@@bretonneux3389 So in that way he is more Anglicized than you'd expect. Behaving exactly like the Brits did all over the world. He should replace Sunak.

[@0w784g]

@@wotermelon_ You know Scots are "Brits" right?

[@SuperBlackky]

SNP are starting to dwindle in Scotland. Humza doesn’t have the strong leadership that Sturgeon and Salmond did. Personally, Forbes would have been a breath of fresh air for the party. I don’t agree with her views but she had a much better idea of how to govern. They’ve taken their eye off the ball with other polices in Scotland which is causing people to feel frustrated with the current government. Weird how they criticise about the tories all the time but their current situation mirrors theirs just now…

[@niamhturner1451]

honestly forbes would have probably kept the snp in power for many years to come as her stances are just the norm here

[@debbiegilmour6171]

What is actually happening is that the unionist media desperately attempts to accuse the SNP of the same failing that the Tories are experiencing. Anybody who looks past the blister and actually understands the deeper issues at play knows the SNP are governing Scotland far better than any government in the last 300 years.

[@SuperBlackky]

@@niamhturner1451she was by far the better candidate. Not the best but a better understanding of government. If people actually listened to what she said about her views they would understand that it’s her own personal opinion but wouldn’t change or roll back any of the existing laws. She was already a member of parliament and senior in the cabinet with her religion already well known, so I struggle to see why it was such a shock and an target during the leadership campaign

[@stevenrobertson8329]

Because they are a shower of chancers.

[@eveningstar3230]

snp are toast.

[@harrybarber3255]

This analysis misses the fact that Scottish people especially the young hate the Tory’s. Over a decade if Tory’s leadership made us give up on uk politics and thus snp popularity. Downfall of the Tory’s make the Scottish have some hope in uk politics

[@tiglishnobody8750]

Labour aren't even better than Tory as they became more like Tory with red tie

[@harrybarber3255]

@@tiglishnobody8750 I’m hoping for a green wave in Scotland so what do I know

[@aceman0000099]

I think increasing confidence in starmer against the Tories is probably contributing to SNP voters going Labour

[@tiglishnobody8750]

@@aceman0000099 Starmer is just Tory with red tie

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

@@aceman0000099 Where is this confidence in Starmer. I’ve never heard of this. I don’t know any of his policies or plans. The younger generations in Scotland have too much to lose by voting for an English based political party, and nothing to gain that I am aware of.

[@foreignofficeclub5815]

Also using the sun as a reference point is low.

[@DailyKaizen]

The SNP is the textbook definition of complacency and inaction.

[@user-mr1tw2ur8y]

The SNP need to go! Use your vote!

[@Pollandland]

Humza the Racist was the worst thing to happen to the SNP. Kate Forbes should have won

[@annabellmccart269]

Get them out now the bloody lot of them 😡😡😡😡😡

[@toni25681]

The SNP are the nightmare that Scotland avoided having.

[@davidjames2083]

First rate reporting! 👍😎

[@kaidenhay]

TLDR's Scottish coverage is always lacklustre, and very rarely takes into account the nuance of Scottish politics, and will almost always miss out very important details.

[@mnm1273]

Your comment didn't even try and present any of the nuances they supposedly missed.

[@DaDARKPass]

Scottish Independence supporters often have their heads stuck in their own a*ses.

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

It’s odd that polling done by Ipsos Mori in Scotland is completely different.

[@Necrokhanthemad]

Pro UK media have always tanked SNP in the polls leading to an election. That's why every SNP victory has been a suprise one. Most international polls done in Scotland show completely different results to those quoted in the UK papers and on KZbin channels like this one.

[@gordonmackenzie4512]

@@Necrokhanthemad Yes Ipsos Mori have an Edinburgh branch. The get paid by TV Companies, News Outlets etc to conduct polling with the Scottish Electorate. Their Ipsos Mori Scotland website shows very different data compared to polling done in England.

[@debbiegilmour6171]

​@@Necrokhanthemad I do remember with great delight how labour and the unionist media always came out with these noodle brained puff pieces about how the SNP were finished and how at the next election all would be put right and labour would get back in charge and Scotland would once again be in its box and could be safely ignored. And come every election, oh how I revelled at labour's trouncing and the uniontards being made to look so silly.

[@BuddhaofBlackpool]

Bring back little Jimmy kranky x 33

[@aituk]

Good.

[@isuk]

As the main man Humza once said, there are too many white people in Scotland

[@nick90000]

Why is Kate Forbes even in the SNP, besides the independence issue? She sounds like a radical Tory... actually no, she sounds like an American Republican, seriously who is still discussing pre-marital sex in Western-Europe????

[@scapingby]

That is her personal view as she is a Christian, it wouldn't be a policy.

[@tepesobrejac4360]

Since almost half of SNP members voted for her we can only suppose that she is representing a very large faction in the SNP that just happened to stay quiet while Nicola Sturgeon was at the wheels.

[@drhonknbonk5798]

So anti snp press keeps reporting it huh.... funny that

[@johnthomson6507]

how many caseworkers have millbank central office the green ink brigade got on this topic. while the snp may seem in the doldrums making the split as nasty as posdible it just speeds it up. not that im advocating violence but who knows what hotheads will get upto.

[@KimSE4]

I suspect that the SNP is struggling with the transition from a small party to a large one. Their structures, and certainly their governance, were fine when they were a small tightly-knit team who campaigned. Being a party of power means being transparent and accountable.

[@jormungandrtheworldserpent8382]

as a scot i have always got the impression that the smp where in power because of two things Nickola sturgeon and the possibility of independence they have never been particularly competent but people overlooked it because they perceived them as fighting against the bad decisions coming from down south but now there only fighting themselves and the poles reflect this

[@mikemorton954]

Shady Forces second album was great.

[@tedstewart114]

Latest opinion poll puts the SNP 1 point ahead of Labour if anyone is interested.

[@richardround2071]

Single party in power politics has failed. We need more coalitions, where these back door cooperation deals can be more in the light, and where fraud and other issues can be punished with a lack of support from other parties.

[@0w784g]

Right, it works a charm everywhere that happens doesn't it? Oh no, those places are all riddled with problems too...

[@richardround2071]

@@0w784g of course they are, because there's so many different factions within politics, democracy is messy. But we shouldn't pretend like it's better for those factions to interact behind close doors without the public getting to vote for the candidates, or even know what's going on, it's the same mess just with less public oversight. How many PMs have we had the past few years? How many party rebellions, closed room talks, secret Whatsapp groups, party shifts and millions spent of fringe policies that will never work have we seen with no ability to vote on what we want or put pressure on the parties we support to change it. Right now people feel disenfranchised with the two parties we feel like we have to vote for, but don't represent our views, whatever that might be. A more representative system would actually allow people to vote for what they want, and force parties to cooperate instead of whatever small element has the reigns getting full control of the country.

[@kiratherenegade1561]

Coalitions just mean nothing is ever truly pushed through.

[@debbiegilmour6171]

In Westminster that almost never happens due to FPTP. In Scotland, despite the AMS voting, it hasn't happened much over the past 17 years (the current gov't is an SNP/Green coalition) because so many people voted SNP, and so few people voted Labour and Tory, that it busted the system.

[@debbiegilmour6171]

​@@0w784gBut at least their governments must reach consensus and they're spared from the worst excesses of the extreme wings of the various parties.

[@jim-es8qk]

...Boris exploited English nationalism in England, and Sturgeon exploited Scottish nationalism in Scotland. That period of divisionist politics is slowly coming to an end.

[@Jackomac43]

What do you think is unifying people, anti-Tory sentiment? Surely the SNP are best placed as the anti-Tory party in Scotland but if Scottish people vote for Labour there's a greater chance Westminster will turn red.

[@Bushflare]

@@Jackomac43 At least without Corbyn the red doesn't have a capital 'R'. 🤣

[@ineedmoreflavour1955]

We can only hope.

[@user-ni7zw1ud8g]

Britons need to unite. We're family genetically. We have much much bigger problems on the horizon and will need to work together

[@xr2kid]

No Free Wales, Free Occupied Ireland, Free Scotland!!!

[@TimMiddleton]

1:46 "a second independence investigation" ahem.

[@Mr-Foad]

Better together was the promise in 2014 and things got worse... the SNP will keep winning untill Scotland finally gets out.

[@you3ee]

I m surprised SNP are even polling as high as they are

[@niamhturner1451]

i'm surprised that they even won 2021, since i dont know a single person under the age of 40 who doesnt detest the SNP for all that they have done to us

[@tiglishnobody8750]

Because Troy and labour are even worse for Scotland

[@alanbrown9178]

Because they are much better than the tory/unionist press try to tell people......

[@StevieSpiers-ru3mf]

The SNP and Tories both have leaders that have been foisted on the people. I don't know who is less popular either, Sunak or Yousaf.

[@misterpebbles]

Also neither are British, no British parents, no loyalty to the UK and British citizens...

[@soundscape26]

​@@misterpebblesThey are British according to the law.

[@quintuscrinis8032]

​@misterpebbles grow up, I may not like either of them but they were both born and grew up in the UK. By any intelligent person that counts as being British.

[@wotermelon_]

@@quintuscrinis8032 The keyword is "intelligent".

[@wotermelon_]

@@misterpebbles Is Nigel Farage in your opinion "fully British"? In that case he showed his loyalty and helped GB's economy so much, didn't he?

[@rambler123]

When are we arresting rishi and Boris

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

So if companies are selling your personal data from data breaches, that's handling stolen goods & they should be prosecuted.

[@garryforbes4634]

They were not arrested if they were not jailed this is not true and the police have let them go

[@jamesmason8944]

They were arrested but not charged. The police can use powers of arrest to take you to a police station for questioning.

[@haseebur-rehman3218]

£700k compared to the billions in fake PPE contracts. 😂

[@finlayjolliffe229]

Of SNP Party funds as opposed Public money too. Yet the SNP debacle is being portrayed as a scandal orders more serious than the rampant corruption involving public money by the Tories. Branch-form after over 3 yrs now has produced zero evidence, 3 arrests (to obtain statements under caution) all released without charge, a total charade! The price you pay for having highly secretive senior Party members.

[@pablodelnorte9746]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[@ryancampbell927]

True, but the disparate media coverage is glaringly obvious. The SNP walk on much thinner ice due to strong media bias.@@pablodelnorte9746

[@salkoharper2908]

​@@pablodelnorte9746 £4 Billion stolen. Think about how much money that is. It's the greatest robbery in British history.

[@alanbrown9178]

@@pablodelnorte9746 No, but it does put a perspective on the situation.

[@ricequackers]

Yousaf 52%, Forbes 48% - it's the magic numbers again!

[@gerhardtmuller7439]

so....basically, they're not capable of ruling themselves and a danger to their own and neighbours. i suppose, england, wales and nthn.ireland could all say the same. all over the world, countries have been let down by their politicians/businessmen. anyone got any sensible ideas? all i can think of keep politicians out of business. there's many who'd do the job for free.

[@misterpebbles]

Pretty difficult to say that you are a national party when part of your leadership (Yousaf) is a) not really a proper Scottish person and b) seems more concerned with Gaza than Glasgow.

[@PYDPIPER]

Racist much?

[@Jesus420.69]

SNP crooks OUT! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇬🇧

[@jameshyndman4507]

References Sun, Daily Mail, really ?

[@chiaraventura8384]

Kate Forbes is so cringe omg

[@FlorinG.]

They can colaps all the way to hell and remain there.

[@iainsan]

It's interesting that you did not mention their incompentent management of Scottish affairs as a reason for their unpopularity. Education, drug and alcohol abuse, crime and healthcare have all become worse under their rule, even more than in the rest of the UK.

[@annemitchell6144]

Do you understand the difference between a reserved power and a devolved power look up devolved powers Scotland it will list what the Scottish government is actually responsible for and what Westminster is responsible for I just did and FYI It does not mention drugs or alcohol abuse those are not devolved powers.

[@iainsan]

@@annemitchell6144 Yes I do. Everything I said has got worse is the Holyrood's responsibity. Drug and alcohol abuse come under 'healthcare'.

[@Bobbybulsara179]

He’s not Scottish

[@dvosburg1966]

No fish at the top.

[@ciaranmarsh255]

They should’ve went with Kate Forbes

[@New-ye2fl]

She didn’t want it, next fm after sturgeon was always going to get it tight, she’ll have her hat in the mix yet imo

[@ciaranmarsh255]

@@New-ye2fl of course she wanted it: she ran to succeed Nicola.

[@alanbrown9178]

It does rather show the desperation that the tories have of trying to destroy the SNP and Scottish Independence that they have to resort to trying to undermine them at every possibility, and use their media to repeat the message. Have the tories nothing positive to offer the People of Scotland? We never did hear about the "many benefits of the union" that Cameron was going to publish a list of pre-Indyref 1...... still waiting.....

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

The Tories have nothing positive to offer the people of Britain.

[@johnmcewan-yt4yf]

They have spent the lot of

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

Its actually the NSP... the never scottish party

[@somecuriosities]

Sorry - not an SNP supporter by any means ideologically - but I have to question the narrative being spun here. The Telegraph? The Sun? The Spectator? Seriously, @TLDR News hardly unbiased journalism/polling with regards to Scottish politics and independence in particular here. Why not just ask an angel whether Satan is a bad guy? I think there is a less out of touch way of viewing what is happening in Scotland at the moment . The SNP have done incredibly well in Scottish politics for a decade now: so, yes, it is likely the only way for them to go is down. However, to suppose some major collapse is on its way I think would be extraordinary. If you are a independence supporter - whether you are left leaning or a Tartan Tory - they are the only real option come General Election time. Additionally, I don't see a huge mass of left leaning Scottish voters switching their SNP votes to Labour when Stammer is widely seen as red-Tory Blair 2.0 (now available without any added charisma!!!). If anything, Stammer/Labours Westminster success at the next GE would probably a bit of an asset to the SNP in the long term: trying to garner support from English wet/moderate Torys will likely alienate traditional Scottish Labour voters over time, whilst simultaneously helping split a pro-union vote in Scotland between Labour and the Conservatives. Both those factors potentially strengthen SNP support and weaken Labour support in Scotland as they put Labour in a difficult position of being a pro-unionist party, with English-Tory-voter-friendly policies, that is simultaneously reluctant to be seen by Scottish voters as in bed with the Tory's or stoke the prevalent perception that the Labour party is now just "Conservative-lite." Such a paradoxical position gifts the SNP with an easy foil to contrast themselves against to the average Joe on the street, even with quite moderate centre left policies.

[@MrGraeme]

a Very keen eye you have - a lot of the papers and even BBC articles are very SNPBad Focused and have no balance. The people of Scotland are not blind. It doesn't even matter how Scotland votes in the GE we Never make a difference. We get what England votes for.

[@kiratherenegade1561]

Okay but they be been caught mishandling donations, Nicolas has gone on the run, Yousaf is openly racist to white folk & they've been falling in sectors like education for a decade.

[@debbiegilmour6171]

The good thing about labour at Westminster is that they traditionally tend to commit to higher public spending which directly affects Barnett consequentials which relieves spending pressure on the Scottish government. Pressure that the Tories have caused no end of with their misguided austerity. However, labour in Scottish seats have proven themselves useless.

[@marshgatelaneposse]

SNP have cost more than money for Scotland

[@niamhturner1451]

yep, having to be careful what i say or i could get a long prison sentence is much worse than the 700k corruption scandal, hell fucking keep the money if you were willing to not have people in jail for longer than a fucking paedo would just for having an offensive meme on your phone

[@aaronpaul9188]

And Hamza Yusuf is the absolute worst.

[@esioanniannaho5939]

The LP has blown it's chance to take SNPs mantel by their position on Gaza and NATO's Eternal Wars. Royal Order of the Garter awaits Starmer. No self respecting Scot will vote for that position. The Scottish LP had shown itself to be a poodle of WM LP. So game over !

[@julesr2470]

“Raised for a 2nd Scottish investigation” Sigh

[@windshipping]

Can't believe there are still people going on about 'sex is for marriage'... Were they living under a rock for these past 50 years? Do they also campaign against divorce, and want women at home? Ffs get rid of them, it's not the 50s anymore.

[@matthewthesaladbowl6315]

they still got 48% of the vote mate its called democracy XD

[@andybrice2711]

I mean, conservatives could make a plausible argument that casual sex leaves a lot of people miserable, and monogamy generally leads to fulfilment. But I abhor the idea that people's sex-lives are any business of the government.

[@windshipping]

@@matthewthesaladbowl6315 Yeah but I suppose the 48% didn't all support this nonsense. If you have two choices, it's obvious you can't be aligned with everything supported by one or the other. You can just dislike one person and vote for the only alternative. If she'd said for example the earth is flat and to push creationnism in education that wouldn't means 48% people supporting here believed that. Only that whatever the other candidate propose is worse to them, or the rest of her ideas overweight this one. "Sex for marriage" is something even the most conservative bunch wouldn't say over here with how out of time it is.

[@NoMementoMori]

Yeah literally everything she would've needed to do was keep her mouth shut about her silly views and she would have won. But hey, maybe "god" will thank it to her in heaven lol

[@napoleonfeanor]

What is your problem? If Christians want to be chaste until marriage, how is that your business?

[@paparobbo62]

News to me and most other Scots recent Polls all suggest a clear SNP majority

[@c.gilliland8338]

Oh the telegraph says so, then it must be true. .... a tory rag

[@Finnbobjimbob]

It’s just fact buddy

[@JMK948]

England, North Ireland, Scotland all hot with big headlines recently. Most of them altogether bad. What is going on in bobby Wales?

[@lyonsja1]

1:43 ... a second Scottish independence investigation?!

[@BoltonForTheNorth]

The problem for SNP is that even though they have hade power for long they have nothing to show for it. Scotland is arguably further away from independence today than 10 year's ago. That is the problem

[@MrGraeme]

The problem is that there is no mechanism other than a section 30 order to allow Scotland to have a vote. 100% of Scotland could want independence but if Westminster says no then no vote no matter how undemocratic it is. We keep being spun round and spoken down to about people wanting a vote instead of speaking about why we should be independent. It's because they don't want us to talk about why we should be independent [because we would win the debate] they want to shout us down and say No one even wants to vote on it when at least 50% of Scottish votes now want a vote.

[@penzorphallos3199]

Another problem with SNP is they seem more preoccupied with Gazan and Pakistani interests than of the Scot's 😂😂

[@FonFreeze]

England managed to take down SNP

[@ryancampbell927]

England only took down itself!

[@alanbrown9178]

Is that "democracy in action" in your view?

[@reluctantheist5224]

England can't have anything to do with it.

[@benmacdui9328]

They are still the only option for Scotland. Anyone not happy can move to England.

[@CastorQuinn]

You certainly got your money's worth out of that graph.

[@tariq_sharif]

the snp record of delivery in Scotland, is not great (I lived here since 1972) snp, a one trick pony (independence), who is now a geriatric ready to be made into dog food and long bolted from the stable

[@TheAllybhoy]

And yet, probably the most competent government in the UK since 1972

[@finlayjolliffe229]

Clearly someone's not been paying attention. Perhaps they haven't delivered for you but given they restrictions they work too, they've done more for Scotland during their tenure than any other Scottish Party holding Holyrood or the Scottish office before that. Many of the ongoing pressure points the Scottish Government finds itself hostage too are issues that have existed since before the dissolution of the Scottish Office. Add the on going 'Austerity' from Westminster & we see the added pressure of making political choices to improve the lot of the low payed (who get a far better deal that their counter parts elsewhere in the UK), Provide more GP's, Nurses & Teachers per capita than elsewhere in the UK & more. Is it all perfect, no far from it but Scotland on the round sits in a better place that others in the UK.

[@tariq_sharif]

@@finlayjolliffe229That about sums it up .. SNP focus is to spend (yes, i agree NHS, free education etc are vital for a decent society), however, show me cohesivce industrial strategy for scotland ? Where is investment in strategic infrastructure, or health and welfare of our working class young men; after decades of SNP rule, our cities remain the most deprived (in pockets) with highest level of drug abuse and poverty and lowest life exptancy (have you ever been to the east of Glasgow, or Ardrosson etc?) I also voted SNP (never again) expecting them to lead to towards (even with the constraints of the Union) a prosperous Norway-like future, what a dissappointment ...

[@johnmorrison9424]

Never arrested get it right and the Sun like you talk 💩

[@reluctantheist5224]

She was arrested. She wasn't charged though.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Readying the champagne glass for their loss.

[@robertingram9404]

Wait… have Labour overtaken the SNP in the polls???

[@ChopperNeill98]

Nope, This is utter bullshit by the Unionist media

[@NikitaBenCarter]

yes they have

[@ChristianAnimePodcast]

Honestly, no tears shed for the collapse of the SNP 😂