Why this EXPERT changed his mind! Byzantine Priority: Interview with Dr. Maurice Robinson.

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Biblical Studies and Reviews, Stephen Hackett

Biblical Studies and Reviews, Stephen Hackett

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@victoryak86
@victoryak86 15 күн бұрын
So thankful for faithful and highly intelligent men who are able to provide guidance in quite a murky area of textual criticism. We shouldn’t underestimate that a fair amount of mischief has been done through dubious scholarship in the field, impacting the translations of the Bible which the majority of believers gravitate to. This is no small matter. I thank God for Mr. Robinson and his colleagues who have been fighting the good fight of faith in this area.
@SirChristoferus
@SirChristoferus Жыл бұрын
I often find that early translations and patristic citations tend to lean towards the Byzantine text, with other text-types occasionally popping up from time to time.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
There is more material coming from Dr. Robinson, Lord willing. And we will address some of this.
@SirChristoferus
@SirChristoferus Жыл бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Personally, I think it’d be a very worthwhile endeavor to manually examine each textual variant, however small it may be, and produce a Greek text that aligns equally with early Greek manuscripts, early translations, and patristic citations - a text whose timeline spans all the way from the pen of Mark to the scriptoriums of Byzantium. That’d give us a pretty good idea of exactly what the early church was reading as a collective whole - a snapshot of the apostolic and patristic era.
@vusumzingceke6518
@vusumzingceke6518 9 ай бұрын
People who do not care about textual criticism clearly do not care about Bible exposition which is preceded by exegesis, and exegesis which is preceded by hermeneutics. So, this is my way of saying that, you are doing great work and I absolutely love your guest.
@LoveForTheWord
@LoveForTheWord Жыл бұрын
Stephen, Great to meet you at the Greek & Hebrew for Life conference. Thanks for telling me about this interview and thanks for hosting Dr. Robinson!
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
Great to meet you too!
@coreymihailiuk5189
@coreymihailiuk5189 Жыл бұрын
A fascinating and I believe a very important interview. Thanks for inviting Dr. Robinson on to speak about this topic.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@uwekonnigsstaddt524
@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Ай бұрын
Bring in Dr. James White. Thank you
@cognoscenticycles4351
@cognoscenticycles4351 Ай бұрын
@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Dan Wallace might provide a few interesting insights as well.
@kimstoliker2111
@kimstoliker2111 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. In the school I attended we were taught that the critical text never actually existed because Westcott and Hort found two texts that were not used by bible believing churches. Doug Stoliker
@helgeevensen856
@helgeevensen856 Жыл бұрын
what a blessing to have him on... to listen to the background with K.W.Clark and on... Dr Robinson has done so much good TC work... and very interesting it started with Clark... thanks... 👍👍
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
I did feel honored to speak with him.
@ShoelessPoimen
@ShoelessPoimen Жыл бұрын
I’m so grateful for this interview.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
Glad you watched!
@kuehling83
@kuehling83 5 ай бұрын
Stephen - THANK YOU for posting this interview. I'm diving deeper into this stuff - the first 10 min of introduction and Dr Robinson's telling of his own background helped summarize a lot of things I was unclear on! Much appreciated!
@paulakahn9384
@paulakahn9384 Жыл бұрын
Super excellent! Thank you so much for posting this!!
@blackeyedturtle
@blackeyedturtle 9 ай бұрын
My sincere thanks for producing and posting this extremely informative video. Something about the Alexandrian sourced papyri and mss I always discerned as being off the mark. I now have a good source of reliable scholars to read and study, thanks to Dr. Maurice Robinson.
@jwatson181
@jwatson181 9 ай бұрын
Maurice rejects the KJV and the TR. I am glad this channel has endorsed that view.
@blackeyedturtle
@blackeyedturtle 9 ай бұрын
@@jwatson181 At no point in this video did Maurice say. "I reject the King James Version as an accurate English translation, and its underlying Greek text, the Textus Receptus, as a reliable Greek text. To the contrary, Dr. Maurice Robinson considers the Byzantine family of text (from which the Textus Receptus is derived) more reliable than the Alexandrian, from which the Critical Text - Nestle-Aland is derived. I perceiveth thou hath a very convoluted and selective sense of hearing. Thou seemeth more concerned with attacking the value of the King James as a translation, than concerned with supporting the fact that God hath promised to preserve His words. And that seems like a strange adversarial approach, for one who claims to believe in Jesus as The Messiah.
@jwatson181
@jwatson181 9 ай бұрын
@blackeyedturtle He just did a video with Mark ward outlining his view. The truth shouldn't hurt your feelings.
@uwekonnigsstaddt524
@uwekonnigsstaddt524 Ай бұрын
⁠decaf works wonders….miracles….and it can be easily proven by how easy it is to speak 21st century English. The KJV is not an “inspired” translation….ask the Swahili speaking people in Africa….they don’t speak English….and even less KJV English tongue foolery….🤦
@alexshadowfax1119
@alexshadowfax1119 Ай бұрын
I enjoyed the interview and I've heard Dr. Robinson speak before, I would like if possible with these types of videos you or the interviewee could define certain words or give a quick summary of what the topic is. For example a quick summary of what the Byzantine text is exactly. Thank you.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Ай бұрын
Thanks! That’s very helpful feedback
@RGGifford
@RGGifford Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to hear if Dr. Robinson had any thoughts about why there hasn't been a mainstream widespread Byzantine Priority translation and until fairly recently there really hasn't even been any.
@sametsahin5024
@sametsahin5024 Жыл бұрын
I have the same question. I think continuity argument should naturally include widespread translations.
@HickoryDickory86
@HickoryDickory86 11 ай бұрын
It's not exactly "mainstream," but the Greek/Eastern Orthodox New Testament (EOB) is a translation of the Patriarchal Greek New Testament of 1904, which is a Byzantine Text. The Patriarchal Text is the "received text" in the truest sense of the words (more so, I would argue, than the Textus Receptus) as it was based on over 100 lectionaries (from Mount Athos, Constantinople, Athens, and Jerusalem), giving a primary witness to the text as it was actually received by the Church and used in her worship. And it was originally published by commission of Patriarch Constantine V in response to the craze of eclectic textual criticism taking hold of Europe at that time. Just want to throw that in as an historical nugget since it seems a lot of people don't really know about the Patriarchal Text if they're not actual Greeks and/or Orthodox.
@AnHebrewChild
@AnHebrewChild 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@HickoryDickory86I find it so odd that the newly-released Orthodox Study Bible uses the New King James for the NT instead of the translation you cited) I was SO very disappointed as I was expecting a distinct translation like the EOB in the NT Any ideas why they would opt for the NKJV? Very puzzling...
@HickoryDickory86
@HickoryDickory86 10 ай бұрын
@@AnHebrewChild It's mainly because the Orthodox Study Bible's pioneer, Fr. Peter Gillquist, was an editor for Thomas Nelson at the time of its inception, and St. Athanasius Academy (which he helped found as an arm of the then-Evangelical Orthodox Church) partnered with Thomas Nelson for its production. And logistically, the Study Bible (NT and Psalms published in 1993; full Bible in 2008) preceded the completion and publication of the EOB NT (2011). And perhaps also because Thomas Nelson are loathe to publish anything they don't own the copyright to. In fact, the Old Testament in the Orthodox Study Bible is more or less a revision of the NKJV Old Testament for the Jewish/Protestant Canon books, and of Brenton's for the Deuterocanonical books not in the NKJV. In fact, the original Study Bible in 1993 was criticized by Orthodox clergy for using the straight NKJV Psalms. Because of this, they edited the NKJV OT text to bring it in line with Rahlfs' Septuagint for the complete Bible in 2008. I am sad that the EOB project is dead (apparently due to lack of support), because I would have loved for them to complete the whole Septuagint (a planned thorough revision of Brenton's). I also would love for the Orthodox Study Bible to replace the NKJV NT with the EOB NT, but sadly I don't see it happening. Maybe someday I and a few others can pick up the EOB mantle, finish the Septuagint, and create our own Orthodox study Bible. I would like to see the creation of a Byzantine Majority Septuagint first, though, since even the OT text published by the Church of Greece today is more or less just a light revision of Rahlfs'.
@brittneyf3079
@brittneyf3079 2 ай бұрын
@@AnHebrewChild message the publisher?
@gastie1
@gastie1 Жыл бұрын
This was a great video. I really enjoyed the discussion and Dr Robinson's insights. Looking forward to the rest of it. Thanks for this!
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
More to come!
@SolaScriptura21
@SolaScriptura21 Жыл бұрын
Would you happen to have a list of books on textual criticism for beginners?
@yahrescues8993
@yahrescues8993 Жыл бұрын
If you don’t get any other response, I would recommend reading John Burgon, particularly ‘the revision revised’
@markmarkster
@markmarkster Жыл бұрын
The eclectic text approach does appear flawed versus the text families approach. Detailed interviews like these are greatly appreciated
@keithfuson7694
@keithfuson7694 2 ай бұрын
So Question: which Bible version does Dr. Robinson use and recommend? Is there a Byzantine Bible available?
@hefinjones9051
@hefinjones9051 Жыл бұрын
Curiously enough I had just read the fuller and the shorter versions of that essay in the last week or so. Even though I don't agree with him it is a delight to see him in action and to hear his perspective.
@eternallogic6394
@eternallogic6394 Жыл бұрын
Why would you agree with the critical text and it's Frankenstein verses that have no manuscript support?
@hefinjones9051
@hefinjones9051 Жыл бұрын
@@eternallogic6394 someone passed on a copy of the list of 105 frankentexts and TBH the first few that I reviewed were very unimpressive and consisted of little more than itacisms and placements of articles. Also dependence on Swanson's text rather than the ECM is a weakness.
@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj
@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Gentlemen. Recommended by Dwayne Green.🌹🌹⭐🌹🌹
@ShaunCKennedyAuthor
@ShaunCKennedyAuthor Жыл бұрын
Is there any Byzantine manuscript that is considered the best in the family?
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
Not to my knowledge. Byzantine theory values the collective witness of the entire tradition.
@jamessheffield4173
@jamessheffield4173 Жыл бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Family 35 is the only significant line of transmission, both ancient and independent, that has a demonstrable archetypal form in all 27 books; plus a totally new critical apparatus that gives a percentage of manuscript attestation to the variant readings, and that includes six competing published editions. For this second edition the accents and diacritical marks have been added to the text. Wilbur N. Pickering, ThM PhD The Greek New Testament According to Family 35 by Wilbur N. Pickering ThM PhD (Author)
@EJ_7715
@EJ_7715 Жыл бұрын
What verse is pieced together? Can you please mention these details so we can follow?
@yahrescues8993
@yahrescues8993 Жыл бұрын
They are in his article of the ‘case for Byzantine priority’ I’m quite sure Matthew 19:29 is.
@CornerTalker
@CornerTalker Жыл бұрын
6:40 Burgund. Miller, Edward. Scribner.
@wordforursoul787
@wordforursoul787 Жыл бұрын
Hey have u heard of the Simplified KJV I heard it is a better update to the KJV than the NKJV and also the Majority Standard bible
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen it advertised. I don’t know much about it.
@barrygladden
@barrygladden 6 ай бұрын
Please direct me to where you stand on this matter... no links in the notes.
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews 6 ай бұрын
I appreciate your curiosity! My stance on this matter is essentially Byzantine Priority with a few qualifications.
@rossjpurdy
@rossjpurdy Жыл бұрын
Only 6% is at issue???
@wordforursoul787
@wordforursoul787 Жыл бұрын
Hey what are ur thoughts on the WEB bible is it a accurate translation
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
I thinks it’s a very reliable translation
@Mmchanb
@Mmchanb Жыл бұрын
As someone who reads Greek daily, I find they are all flawed including the WEB, but the KJV/NKJV do a better job than the rest (in my humble view).
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
@@Mmchanb where do you find it flawed ?
@Americanninjaman
@Americanninjaman Жыл бұрын
​@BiblicalStudiesandReviews A video on your opinion of the WEB would be interesting. I believe it's the only Majority text in print and I really like that it's copyright free.
@Mmchanb
@Mmchanb Жыл бұрын
As with all translations, the flaws are numerous. It’s simply impossible to literally translate between two languages, and the differences in grammar of Greek and English make it even more so. I don’t mean to denigrate any translation by admitting that fact, however. If you’re interested in learning Greek, I can heartily recommend Bill Mounce’s “Basics of Biblical Greek” as a great starting point.@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@robwagnon6578
@robwagnon6578 6 ай бұрын
Amen y'all I kind of got the feeling I'm still kind of a white belt when it comes to studying these things but to me it seems like the critical text is often used man's ingenuity man's science to cut and paste together and then call it close to the inspired? Plus I don't like how the critical scholars use the phrase more reliable or older manuscripts It sounds like they are being critical with other scholars but not with themselves!!
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews 6 ай бұрын
I have another video planned on this topic which I hope will appeal to a broader audience. It should be coming soon. This one gets pretty deep into the woods. I’m hoping that will be a super light introduction
@SolaScriptura21
@SolaScriptura21 Жыл бұрын
Is there a modern bible that isntranslated from the byzantine text?
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews
@BiblicalStudiesandReviews Жыл бұрын
Yep here is one you’ll want on your shelf! www.amazon.com/Text-Critical-English-New-Testament-Byzantine/dp/B0BCD849S5/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=22H85C4SX07HZ&keywords=adam+boyd&qid=1693105397&sprefix=adam+boyd%2Caps%2C132&sr=8-1
@SolaScriptura21
@SolaScriptura21 Жыл бұрын
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews thank you, grace and peace in our Lord
@jamessheffield4173
@jamessheffield4173 Жыл бұрын
Why some have problems with Reasoned eclecticism. I John 5:7 is found in a majority of the Latin, but not the Greek so out it goes. Good will towards men Doxology in Matthew Without cause God manifest in the flesh Are a majority in the Greek but not in the Latin, so out they go The PA and Mark 16:9-20 are a majority in both the Greek and Latin so out they go. Even the “not yet” found in the two of the earliest(P66.P75) in John 7:8 some throw out. If as an orthodox Christian you don't see a problem, what would you see as a problem?
@AnHebrewChild
@AnHebrewChild 10 ай бұрын
True. Regarding Reasoned eclecticism: Finally brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course and be glorified, even as it is with you: *and that we may be delivered from **_unreasonable_** men:* for all men have not faith. Not every professing Christian actually has faith. Lack of faith leads to calling unreasonable thinking, 'reasonable.' By this I'm not making any judgment on any individuals, just a general observation. be blessed
@AnHebrewChild
@AnHebrewChild 10 ай бұрын
I should add: due to our Lord's words in Mat13:24ff as well as John6:12 I tend, by principle, toward a FULLER, LONGER reading. This leads inevitably to the words of the Byzantine & received. On the same principle, side note, I tend toward a broader "canon." I'm happy with my KJV with apocrypha (in essence this is the Greek Orthodox 80 book bible) :] Anyway, out of all the comments on this video.. I really really appreciated yours. Thanks for what you wrote.
@jamessheffield4173
@jamessheffield4173 10 ай бұрын
@@AnHebrewChild And the other Books (as Hierome saith) the Church doth read for example of life and instruction of manners; but yet doth it not apply them to establish any doctrine; 39 Articles of Religion
@jamessheffield4173
@jamessheffield4173 10 ай бұрын
@@AnHebrewChild Thanks. Blessings.
@AnHebrewChild
@AnHebrewChild 10 ай бұрын
@@jamessheffield4173 are you Anglican? A big thanks to your church for producing the Authorised KJV! Very cool. Blessings to you as well.
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